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05:16:01 <ThunderSqueak> hi there
05:16:10 <ThunderSqueak> just put up the new Retro item of the day
05:16:34 <ThunderSqueak> https://twitter.com/ThunderSqueakAK/status/1083790312986689536
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06:22:12 <rust_collector> morning "people"
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07:08:03 <Guest|86089> hi
07:14:11 <Ampera> hullo
07:14:14 <steve30> evening
07:26:24 <Guest|86089> how to learn electronic?
07:26:33 <Ampera> book
07:27:56 <Guest|86089> can you suggest, what book?
07:28:02 <Ampera> ebook
07:28:26 <Ampera> eebook
07:28:37 <Guest|86089> what's the name of that book?
07:28:41 <Ampera> but as for where to start, I'd actually suggest you start watching EEVBlog.
07:29:09 <Ampera> Have a browser with Wikipedia ready, and start looking up things he says. Let it branch from there.
07:29:31 <Ampera> So much of what I know is just hearing about something I know nothing about, and then reading about it on Wikipedia, or even the greater internet.
07:29:47 <Guest|86089> ok thanks
07:29:52 <Ampera> Start looking into specific areas you are interested in. The field of electronics is immense, and there's so much you can learn about.
07:30:08 <Ampera> Computing, high voltage, transmission stuff, telecommunications, etc.
07:30:45 <Guest|86089> I agree, how about if I read and still don't understand.
07:31:04 <Ampera> There are also other great YouTube channels, if you have a second monitor, you might just want to stick them on. People like Big Clive, mikeselectricstuff
07:31:34 <Ampera> That's alright. Especially if you start in the middle there will be things you don't understand.
07:31:40 <Ampera> Just keep reading, you're bound to start picking things up.
07:32:06 <Guest|86089> Ok thanks a lot Ampera!
07:32:09 <Ampera> If you want to really start with the basics, pick up a children's electronic kit. My first kit was electronic snap circuits, which is dead simple to put together, and has very easy to understand instructions.
07:32:28 <Ampera> but internet is cheap, kits are expensive.
07:32:30 <rust_collector> I think it would help, if you could figure out if there is one area of electronics you are more interested in
07:32:37 <Ampera> already said that, rust_collector
07:32:45 <rust_collector> ok, sorry, lol
07:32:51 <Ampera> np
07:33:03 <Ampera> mr carlson's lab is actually a channel I like a lot.
07:33:07 <rust_collector> Ok, back under my rock I go
07:33:11 <Ampera> he looks at old radios and stuff, which are ususally fairly simple.
07:33:41 <Ampera> There's also a lot of math involved, looking into what things like voltage and current actually mean, and how they relate can be really helpful.
07:35:27 <Guest|86089> I think I focus too much on job demand these day, so I try to learn everything about electronic at once. and I failed
07:35:58 <Ampera> Making money from your skills comes much later. Start as a hobbyist, don't worry about what makes you money, instead look at what interests you.
07:36:23 <Ampera> I had started watching lockpicking channels like bosnianbill and lockpickinglawyer, and they were really really cool.
07:36:46 <Ampera> Soon I had bought a Sparrows Tuxedo as my first lockpicking kit, and started doing it as a hobby, just from paying close attention to what they said and how they picked locks.
07:37:13 <Ampera> I'm not great at it, I don't have a brilliant selection of locks to learn on, and it's hard to get more, since the more interesting ones are expensive, but I still have a very good understanding of how they work.
07:37:37 <Guest|86089> what's EE field you suggest for bright future?
07:38:01 <Ampera> There's so much, and I might not be the best guy to ask for that. Even if I'm right today, I might be dead wrong tomorrow.
07:38:36 <Ampera> In my mind, the people who are going to make the big dosh are people working on better battery technologies.
07:39:03 <Guest|86089> so in power electronic field?
07:39:10 <Ampera> If someone designs batteries cheaper and better than our current lithium tech, I garuntee you that they will become some rich bastards overnight.
07:39:21 <Ampera> Battery tech is more chemistry, maybe that's not a good example.
07:39:42 <Ampera> as I said, I'm not a job consultant, and it's really not how I think you should approach a potential career in EE.
07:40:12 <Ampera> If it was about making money, I'd tell you to become a doctor or lawyer, but if it's about doing something you like, maybe even love, it's up to you to find your own path.
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07:40:35 <Guest|86089> That's true!
07:43:08 <Guest|86089> Are you an Engineer, ampera?
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07:43:20 <Ampera> No, and it's also a protected title in some places
07:43:30 <Ampera> so be careful about calling yourself, one, you could get in trouble.
07:43:43 <Guest|86089> lol
07:43:44 <Ampera> I just sit, listen, and learn.
07:44:26 <Guest|86089> I wish I can become real engineer
07:45:26 <rust_collector> Just be a nerd for a while. engineering is too serious
07:46:22 <Guest|86089> Maybe I studied something I don't like T T
07:46:27 <Ampera> what did you study?
07:46:51 <Ampera> Oh, and stick around, that's another good one, we can often answer questions.
07:47:00 <Guest|86089> EE but I forgot everything lol
07:47:12 <Ampera> Just find a real IRC client like HexChat (support for Unix-likes and Windows) and stick around
07:47:35 <Ampera> That's another good thing about looking at wikipedia all the time, even if you've read it before, it keeps you fresh and up to date.
07:48:19 <Guest|86089> Does wikipedia give correct info?
07:48:41 <Ampera> Most of the time. As with anything you ever read, don't trust your life on it, but Wikipedia is amazingly reliable a lot of the time, especially for common articles.
07:49:03 <Ampera> They also often provide sources, so if you don't believe something, you can see where it's sourced from (or if it's even sourced), and verify that.
07:49:05 <rust_collector> for electronics, probably, if it has anything to do with religion or politics, it depends on how you look at it, but probably not
07:49:43 <Guest|86089> gtg, thanks Ampera, Have a nice day
07:49:48 <Ampera> np, ciao
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07:53:19 <rust_collector> pelco, eh?
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09:35:51 <Halcyon> Morning!
09:41:43 <rust_collector> hey-o Halcyon
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10:02:09 <MrMobodies> Hello
10:13:03 <Halcyon> :D
10:13:08 <Halcyon> What's happening lovely people?
10:13:24 <MrMobodies> Just got back from a chicken coop
10:13:31 <Halcyon> Did you get any chickens?
10:13:51 <MrMobodies> it was being used to store bathroom stuff from a liquidated company
10:13:55 <MrMobodies> the chickens left long ago
10:14:07 <MrMobodies> but the feeding tubes and facilities are still there
10:14:51 <MrMobodies> I brought a pedetral back to go with my desk
10:15:14 <Halcyon> Ahh
10:15:15 <MrMobodies> it creates more workstop but makes the room cluttered
10:15:22 <MrMobodies> it was from the old office
10:15:32 <MrMobodies> Bathroomtrade ltd. It went broke in 2014
10:16:09 <MrMobodies> Now they're trying to get rid of the stock but nobody wants to buy it. They think it is to do with fashion
10:16:36 <MrMobodies> 4 months overdue with rent. I don't know what the landlord is going to do
10:17:03 <MrMobodies> Not my rent. I am worried about my 4g modem and access points I put there early last year.
10:17:04 <Halcyon> I see
10:17:15 <Halcyon> Into the business?
10:17:21 <MrMobodies> yes
10:17:34 <Halcyon> You can't go and recover them?
10:17:45 <MrMobodies> I don't know the mood the of the landlord
10:18:01 <MrMobodies> but I can imagine she is not very happy like the son said 4 months ago
10:18:32 <MrMobodies> I am helping trying to sell the stuff
10:19:21 <MrMobodies> the man has acquired so much of other junk it is disturbding
10:20:23 <DHess_US> This is why you shouldn't rent to chickens.
10:20:24 <MrMobodies> too chickeny
10:20:24 <MrMobodies> he didn't chicken out though yet
10:20:52 <MrMobodies> He is under stress and has had a mental break down years ago when the business went bust
10:20:59 <MrMobodies> which is safd
10:21:04 <Ampera> Eyy, I manage a public Minecraft server that I thought some people here might be interested in. It's completely free and open to anybody, and I already sent an invitation to the AfterNET fan club, so I thought I'd put one in here in the official channel.
10:21:37 <Ampera> Server IP is 149.56.42.4, with community info (most of it is out of date unfortunately), available @ https://grifkuba.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=40
10:21:38 <DHess_US> https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Chickens_324b0f_1007353.jpg
10:22:20 <MrMobodies> I see checkiens no respect for the law
10:22:31 <Ampera> anyways, how do, Halcyon
10:22:37 <MrMobodies> Minecraft. I heard of it just looking
10:22:46 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
10:22:48 <MrMobodies> I heard some people become addicted to it
10:22:49 <Halcyon> Good, yourself?
10:23:07 <Ampera> eh, my mom is tipsy and I don't like to be around her when she is.
10:23:38 <Halcyon> You would hate me tipsy, I get all handsy :P
10:24:29 <Ampera> she's tipsy all the damn time
10:24:35 <Ampera> and too fucking retarded to stop drinking
10:24:47 <MrMobodies> Minecraft. Minecraft is a 2011 sandbox video game created by Swedish game developer Markus Persson and later developed by Mojang. The game allows players to build with a variety of different blocks in a 3D procedurally generated world, requiring creativity from players.
10:24:57 <MrMobodies> That's why it is so addictive
10:25:01 <Ampera> Thank you for the wikipedia article.
10:25:13 <MrMobodies> oh yes must gi e it credit
10:25:30 <MrMobodies> oh sorry oops misread
10:25:57 * Halcyon is configuring his UPS management card
10:26:02 <Halcyon> Also coffee
10:26:11 <Ampera> your UPS has a management card?
10:26:38 <Halcyon> *nod* has a NIC among other interfaces
10:27:00 <MrMobodies> That sounds nice
10:27:08 <Ampera> I thought you meant a client side card to interface with it
10:27:12 <Ampera> was about to just call it and you stupid
10:27:17 <Ampera> but now all I can do now is call you stupid
10:27:19 <Ampera> stupid
10:27:33 <Halcyon> You're the stupid one
10:27:46 <Halcyon> What UPS has a proprietary client interface?
10:27:47 <MrMobodies> How many batteries can the management card control?
10:28:00 <Ampera> no u
10:28:06 <Halcyon> Well it controls the entire UPS, so it's dependant on the UPS its connected to
10:28:25 <Halcyon> I have a 3kVa unit
10:28:29 <MrMobodies> so it controls an array of ups
10:28:36 <MrMobodies> that's sounds reliable
10:28:45 <Halcyon> It can, I'm just using a single UPS for my network/computer gear
10:29:47 <MrMobodies> Like raid "redundant array of inexpensive ups"
10:29:50 <DHess_US> Huh, it only took 6 hours for all of the freeways to be shut down because of stuck vehicles. Snowmaghedon is here.
10:30:24 <MrMobodies> It's cold but it gets worm sometimes
10:30:43 <MrMobodies> the Chicken warehouse was cold as it is in the countryside
10:32:27 <MrMobodies> I was looking one of those audiophool threads wih that Shun Ya Ta bnc and was shocked to find this:
10:32:27 <MrMobodies> https://shunyata-uk.com/product/power-cables/sigma-nr-uk/
10:32:44 <MrMobodies> It makes 32amp cords look super safe
10:33:07 <MrMobodies> I mean 32a connectors
10:33:59 <MrMobodies> I have never seen anything like it before the stupidity.
10:34:55 <MrMobodies> For cables that size they need a locking mechanism.
10:49:18 <Halcyon> Back soon, need to power down the rack for a 10 minutes or so while I do firmware upgrades
10:54:33 <MrMobodies> In 2008 when I took a rack from Woolworth containing a Cisco 2801 and a 2900 series switch they had a large ups for sale which was the size of a tall tower case. I can't remember the brand I know it was a German made when I looked at the manual.
10:55:27 <MrMobodies> It had some serial ports in the back, a 10 base t network card, 4 plug sockets in the front and back, and many iec connectors at the back and it was as tall as a full pc tower.
10:56:12 <MrMobodies> I was going to buy it, they wanted £250 but I discovered the batteries in there were a lot more than the ups itself.
10:56:52 <MrMobodies> and I read they needed to be replaced every three years.
10:57:06 <MrMobodies> A bit short through
10:58:44 <DHess_US> And don't buy cheap "new" batteries on Ebay because they will only last a couple months.
10:58:55 <MrMobodies> I don't trust many batteries on ebay
10:59:04 <DHess_US> I don't either anymore.
10:59:08 <MrMobodies> customers bring round damaged laptops
10:59:17 <MrMobodies> they don't charge anymore
10:59:27 <MrMobodies> they only just brought a cheap noname battery
10:59:39 <MrMobodies> and it blew some components
10:59:46 <MrMobodies> 6 months ago
11:00:02 <MrMobodies> I try to warn them
11:00:14 <MrMobodies> but they don't listen most of the time
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11:25:02 <Halcyon> Damn I love it when stuff just works :D
11:25:06 <Halcyon> My network is awesome
11:25:31 <MrMobodies> I guess you got 10 gigabit
11:25:35 <Halcyon> Nah not yet
11:25:40 <MrMobodies> I am still stuck on 1 gigabit and some laggs
11:25:46 <Halcyon> It's just I had to power down my whole rack to update the UPS firmware
11:25:56 <Halcyon> I have everything set to come up automatically in a particular order
11:26:10 <Halcyon> DHCP server and switches first
11:26:15 <MrMobodies> in a particular order... sounds good
11:26:16 <Halcyon> Then servers and VMs in a set order
11:26:18 <Ampera> You know, Halcyon, I was really happy with how awesome my media server works.
11:26:19 <MrMobodies> ooh nice
11:26:24 <MrMobodies> hdcp separate
11:26:36 <Ampera> It's so simple, has so many features, and works so well.
11:26:47 <MrMobodies> if the router fails you still have dhcp
11:26:49 <Halcyon> What media server are you running Amps?
11:26:53 <MrMobodies> I like it when it is all separate
11:26:55 <Ampera> OpenSSH
11:27:08 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: Yeh I use pihole for my DNS (for web blocking/filtering) and DHCP
11:27:21 <Halcyon> My router is pfsense running on an ESXi VM
11:27:33 <MrMobodies> I am using an old copy of Pfsernse myself
11:27:39 <MrMobodies> I havent updated it since
11:27:42 <Ampera> For me, if my router dies, there's really nothing left of the network, the router is the network.
11:27:49 <MrMobodies> I got a backup one
11:27:55 <MrMobodies> in parallel with carp
11:28:00 <MrMobodies> I cannot afford to run two
11:28:05 <Halcyon> I got sick of my Ubiquiti USG so I got rid of it
11:28:06 <Ampera> But anyways, I'm actually currently writing the project manifest for a rehashing of AmpMC, which I intend to extend past my original design intentions.
11:28:29 <IoTPanic> I have a piece of shit netgear my grandmother gave me
11:28:30 <Halcyon> Ampera if you can make AmpMC work on Raspberry Pi, I would be VERY interested
11:28:33 <Ampera> Instead of a Java/Swing/VLCj implementation, I'm going for C/SDL2/libVLC
11:28:41 <Ampera> Actually that should be easy to do.
11:28:50 <MrMobodies> shit netgear I like that
11:28:56 <MrMobodies> Power supplies can be terrible from them
11:29:01 <IoTPanic> Its like a decade old
11:29:08 <Halcyon> Hey, whatever works :)
11:29:10 <Ampera> There's no reason I couldn't do a direct recompile of AmpMC to ARM, so long as it's GNU/Linux.
11:29:20 <IoTPanic> ^ Whats AmpMC tho?
11:29:21 <Halcyon> My network is WAY overboard for a home network, but I like to fiddle
11:29:27 <IoTPanic> Why would it be hard?
11:29:29 <Ampera> Ampera/Amp Media Center
11:29:34 <Halcyon> I just bought 2 outdoor access points
11:29:35 <IoTPanic> Ah
11:29:41 <DHess_US> The Bay Networks stuff from Netgear hasn't been bad for me. I never bought any of their plastic junk.
11:29:57 <MrMobodies> I got those old Wnap210a and 350s with ams5316
11:29:58 <IoTPanic> This is plastic junk
11:30:04 <IoTPanic> I really need a new router
11:30:09 <IoTPanic> Really really really
11:30:16 <Ampera> Also now that it's C, it should be quite performant on a RasPi. If you want once I finish typing it out I can provide you with a copy of the project manifest, so you can see my plans.
11:30:28 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: https://www.netgate.com/products/appliances/
11:30:30 <MrMobodies> I never use the 12v ones that come with Netgear
11:30:51 <IoTPanic> No.... let me get a picture....
11:31:04 <DHess_US> The good news is that you can just substitute your favorite 12 volt DC supply.
11:31:16 <MrMobodies> Li shin 5a is my favourite
11:31:37 <DHess_US> Tobin's Spirit Guide. *nods*
11:31:39 <MrMobodies> I can repair those easily
11:32:50 <MrMobodies> Anyone familiar with the Alteon Acenic Tigon 2 network card?
11:33:10 <Halcyon> Nope, never heard of it MrMobodies
11:33:13 <DHess_US> You can find those Belkin 12 volt UPSes on Ebay. Lots of ISPs issued them with their modems and now when people upgrade the UPSes end up on Ebay.
11:33:18 <IoTPanic> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KwpBvpINF7L_V4aGb4JCQxk7yXATXcDW/view?usp=sharing
11:33:30 <MrMobodies> I use them in my pfsense firewall
11:33:38 <IoTPanic> Doesnt have an external antenna
11:33:43 <IoTPanic> Its overheating
11:33:49 <IoTPanic> Its spurratic
11:33:51 <MrMobodies> https://lhcb-comp.web.cern.ch/lhcb-comp/daq/Event-Building/docs/tigonbk.pdf
11:33:57 <IoTPanic> I have like 3Mbps down on a great day
11:34:03 <MrMobodies> It was ahead ifor its time
11:34:38 <MrMobodies> gigabit nic built in 1997
11:34:40 <IoTPanic> Hahaha, yep
11:35:13 <IoTPanic> Thats some good stuff right there
11:36:31 <DHess_US> I run two networks with my 24 port Intel 10/100 switch for internet access an a Netgear 8 port Gigabit switch for my secure file server stuff.
11:37:20 <MrMobodies> Nice
11:37:28 <MrMobodies> here's my router
11:37:29 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/dU2c1kT.jpg
11:37:36 <MrMobodies> 4 alteon acenics
11:37:53 <MrMobodies> Dual dma channels, two 66mhz cpus
11:38:02 <DHess_US> This looks like fun though. https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in
11:38:07 <MrMobodies> Ahh dude
11:38:08 <MrMobodies> monitor
11:39:37 <DHess_US> haha. My router is about like that. Mini tower case with Supermicro P6SBA Revision 2.0 w/ Pentium2 500 and 384M of ECC.
11:39:51 <DHess_US> Has a bunch of 10/100 cards.
11:39:52 <MrMobodies> I got an old X5DL8 that I pulled out in 2017
11:40:05 <MrMobodies> Power supply couldn't cope anymore
11:40:13 <MrMobodies> it had 32gb of ddr1 ram
11:40:19 <MrMobodies> oops no 126gb
11:40:30 <MrMobodies> 16gb. I got it imported cheap
11:41:10 <MrMobodies> Here's my Dude map
11:41:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, this is my project manifest (for every project I have, I write a text file containing all of my ideas, and hopes, as a way to have a sort of checklist). This is just a rough draft I banged out, to satisfy my wish to do something today: https://pastebin.com/TF77PMFd
11:41:17 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/375XaW3.jpg
11:41:35 <Halcyon> *nod* Similar to what I do
11:42:04 <DHess_US> I replaced the old WDC hard drive with a Compact Flash card and adapter a couple years ago.
11:42:19 <MrMobodies> I got some SD ones from China
11:42:24 <MrMobodies> at Christmas
11:42:28 <Ampera> My project goals have rather extended beyond my original prototype. I want this to be fast, easy to configure and use out of the box, and have really easy to use features.
11:42:58 <Ampera> When I've used media center applications in the past, a lot of them were incredibly slow, when I just want a shell to speed up my access to my media consumption.
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12:02:03 <Ampera> Halcyon, thoughts?
12:02:04 <Ampera> ya thot
12:02:31 <Halcyon> Hard to say, I'd have to play with it
12:02:43 <Ampera> well all I have is a text document, and two images
12:02:51 <Halcyon> It sounds good so far
12:02:57 <Halcyon> I want to see it work
12:04:33 <MrMobodies> DHess_US: Supermicro P6SBA using the Intel 440bx chipset. Very reliable. The picture I am looking at appears to use Sanyo Caps like the Gigabyte bx boards.
12:05:10 <Halcyon> I have one of those boards
12:05:16 <Halcyon> First Pentium III machine I built
12:05:23 <Halcyon> Awesome boards
12:05:36 <MrMobodies> I got a Gigabyte 6BXE. I now use it just to power up a sound card
12:05:41 <Ampera> First P3 machine I built was an SE440BX-2
12:05:52 <MrMobodies> ooh Intel desktop board had that
12:06:00 <Ampera> no, that is an intel desktop board
12:06:03 <MrMobodies> they had a Yamaha sound card on them as well
12:06:05 <MrMobodies> oh
12:06:14 <Ampera> as an option, mine doesn't have any sound
12:06:16 <DHess_US> Halcyon, not as awesome as the Abit BX6 revision 2 which it replaced.
12:06:31 <MrMobodies> I got a BH6 tht no longer powers up
12:06:32 <Ampera> I also have an A-BIT board, but that one's Socket A.
12:06:35 <MrMobodies> I think it is the caps
12:06:42 <Ampera> 4 Channels of IDE, 2 of them IDE RAID though, and enough PCI to choak a horse
12:06:44 <DHess_US> I have my BX6 sitting on my desk here. It is currently my backup workstation.
12:07:03 <MrMobodies> I just use mine to loop audio through the ISA sound card
12:07:05 <Ampera> Up to 4GB DDR200 as well, which is fucking insane for a 32-bit system, and I just so happen to be up to my knees in DDR400
12:07:10 <MrMobodies> for the SRS3D effect
12:07:15 <DHess_US> BH6 was the three DIMM slot version. BX6 had the extra buffers to support 4 DIMM slots.
12:07:38 <DHess_US> I always wanted a BP6 which was the dual socket 370 one.
12:07:58 <MrMobodies> when i put in 256mb ecc in mine it only recognises 128mb per module but it works fine
12:08:13 <MrMobodies> they were from a Dell server
12:08:39 <DHess_US> my BX6 has 1GB of ECC which is maxed out. I have a GX system also with 2GB of ECC and dual P3 900MHz Xeons
12:08:52 <MrMobodies> GX dual core?
12:09:03 <DHess_US> No. GX is dual slot 1.
12:09:04 <MrMobodies> thje cartridge with the dedicated cache ontop
12:09:09 <MrMobodies> ooh oops
12:09:43 <DHess_US> sec and I will post the CPU stuff
12:10:30 <MrMobodies> I have a Dell dual p3 upstairs, power supply broke down. I can hear the fans slow and speed up on use. I got an 6 pin adaptor to test some day. I had to alter it as the fans sounded like a hoover.
12:10:52 <DHess_US> sorry, dual slot 2
12:11:17 <MrMobodies> nice with that dedicate cache ontop
12:12:03 <DHess_US> https://i.ibb.co/BjJkwgL/Agripa-Xeon.png
12:12:48 <DHess_US> I'm planning on retiring it soon. I'm not sure what I will do with it.
12:12:52 <MrMobodies> 2mb of cache
12:12:58 <DHess_US> That was a lot of cache then.
12:12:59 <MrMobodies> the isa slots maybe good for something
12:13:51 <DHess_US> Motherboard is ...
12:13:52 <MrMobodies> for its day that is a lot compared to the 866 slot 1which only has 256bk
12:15:39 <DHess_US> Intel MS440GX so 1xAGP, 6xPCI, and 1xISA
12:17:07 <DHess_US> That was the fastest 2MB cache Xeon 3
12:17:38 <MrMobodies> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GWwAAOSw~qxatvO3/s-l1600.jpg
12:17:41 <MrMobodies> All those caps
12:17:56 <MrMobodies> makes it stable
12:18:29 <MrMobodies> It looks like a really nice board
12:18:56 <DHess_US> I'd stick Windows 10 on it but nothing that old is supported.
12:19:06 <DHess_US> Everything requires SSE2 or later.
12:19:16 <DHess_US> That system is actually this one I'm using remotely now.
12:19:31 <DHess_US> Probably stick Gentoo on it.
12:19:56 <MrMobodies> It's nice when you got some hardware to play around with
12:20:31 <MrMobodies> All Altera near the pci slots
12:20:57 <MrMobodies> Anything to do with a bios recovery on a floppy drive if it fails to flash
12:21:11 <MrMobodies> I know Gateway had them
12:21:34 <DHess_US> The thing takes forever to POST though counting memory.
12:21:45 <MrMobodies> The dell I have upstairs does
12:21:51 <MrMobodies> when it last worked
12:22:10 <MrMobodies> to count 1gb ecc
12:22:55 <MrMobodies> I think it is a Poweredge 2400
12:22:59 <MrMobodies> it was given to me
12:23:16 <MrMobodies> but I had to change all the fans as everyone thought I'd had the hoover on upstairs
12:23:22 <MrMobodies> it had a fault with the sensors
12:26:14 <MrMobodies> Anyone remember the Megaraid 1600 Enterprise?
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12:29:16 <DHess_US> I've got a P4 2.4C with 2G of ECC also that is pretty good. It's claim to fame is having an Intel CSA Gigabit ethernet controller built in.
12:30:02 <MrMobodies> I know those
12:30:06 <DHess_US> It is just a bit too old to support the dual core P4 chips or I migth upgrade it for cheap.
12:30:17 <MrMobodies> I think I brought a Gigabyte 8PENXP and it had one of those on it
12:30:21 <MrMobodies> or sometthing similar
12:30:24 <MrMobodies> in 2004
12:31:01 <MrMobodies> that was an Intel 865pe
12:31:13 <DHess_US> The CSA was how you got full speed Gigabit ethernet without PCI-X
12:31:48 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Communication_Streaming_Architecture
12:32:27 <MrMobodies> yep that one did have it on
12:32:28 <MrMobodies> https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-8PENXP-rev-1x#ov
12:33:21 <DHess_US> https://www.asus.com/supportonly/P4C800-E%20Deluxe/HelpDesk_Manual/
12:34:11 <MrMobodies> https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY1WDEwMjQ=/z/1zgAAOSwbDlbmoF2/$_86.JPG
12:34:15 <DHess_US> Hmm, could stick a faster P4 on it.
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12:34:30 <MrMobodies> that looks like a gooden. Planet of caps and an AGP pro slot
12:34:46 <MrMobodies> oh and 4 sata (2 promose ata I think)
12:35:08 <WebChatUser> is 10 lbs too heavy for a monitor to mount it to drywall?
12:35:10 <MrMobodies> ahh its got that wifi? rise board too
12:35:19 <MrMobodies> at the bottom slot
12:35:38 <DHess_US> The Promise controller was actually really good on that one. It supported access to both drives in RAID1.
12:36:05 <DHess_US> WebChatUser, no but I would use a stud finder anyway.
12:36:17 <WebChatUser> My studs are metal
12:36:21 <DHess_US> So?
12:36:25 <MrMobodies> I see they have Rubycons caps really nice as well
12:36:26 <WebChatUser> Found out the hard way
12:36:42 <MrMobodies> studs?
12:36:59 <WebChatUser> The lag bolts that came with my mount are meant for wood
12:37:07 <MrMobodies> oh
12:38:19 <DHess_US> If you don't use the wall studs, then I would put a board in between the mount and wall so the board screws into the wall and the mount into the board.
12:40:47 <WebChatUser> the problem is that since i can't screw into the studs i have to screw into drywall, but I'm not sure if 10-15 lbs is too much
12:41:16 <DHess_US> That's why to use a board. The board can screw into the drywall with the right screws and more of them. Then the mount can screw into the board.
12:53:25 <MrMobodies> Interesting stats.
12:53:29 <MrMobodies> http://www.irc-stats.org/austnet/eevblog/index_page_2.html#chat
12:54:06 <MrMobodies> Oops "MrMobodies spoke the most monologues - wrote over 5 lines in a row 21 times..."
12:59:33 <MrMobodies> I am going to bed now I have been up since 7am yesterday and it is 2am today. Goodnight.
13:08:52 <DHess_US> 6.5 inches of snow and we have another 48 hours to go.
13:12:31 <Halcyon> I think I might make a vodka, lime and soda
13:12:35 <Halcyon> It's 31C here today
13:24:15 <WebChatUser> would need a thick board for that DHess_US
13:24:33 <WebChatUser> the mount screws ae 2.5" lag screws
13:35:38 <DHess_US> http://aviationdaily.news/2019/01/09/faa-publishes-new-phonetic-alphabet/
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14:34:18 <Halcyon> *stretch*
14:34:54 <Halcyon> DHess_US: I'm guessing this is a fake news site?
14:34:57 <Ampera> *slap*
14:37:08 * T3sl4 gropes Halcyon with Ampera
14:37:15 <Halcyon> \o/
14:37:36 <Ampera> The most recent Orville was one of the best in the entire series.
14:38:17 <Ampera> What happened at the end is a bit of a shame, but the entire episode was so well done, it absolutely beats the analagous TNG episode into nothing.
14:38:31 <T3sl4> ooh
14:40:34 <DHess_US> Halston Sage (Alara) had to leave the series because company policy does not allow fraternization between cast members.
14:41:01 <Ampera> citation?
14:41:10 <Ampera> I read somewhere it was a casting conflict
14:41:11 <DHess_US> "Halston Sage (Alara) had to be written off the series due to her close personal relationship with Seth MacFarlane. New studio policies strictly forbid inter-cast relationships due to bad press and the hostile work environment created by said relationship. "
14:41:35 <DHess_US> That sure sounds like a casting conflict.
14:41:46 <Ampera> well more of a temporal one
14:41:55 <Ampera> but that's pretty crazy
14:42:04 <T3sl4> i prefer tempura ones
14:45:08 <DHess_US> I would have liked it if the high gravity types were short and wide.
14:45:21 <Ampera> DHess_US, I find that somewhat hard to believe, and it sounds kinda sensatoinalist.
14:45:39 <Ampera> Seth is almost old enough to be Halston's dad.
14:45:59 <DHess_US> Haha. Them being together has been talked about for 9 months now.
14:46:19 <Ampera> Really?
14:47:28 <Halcyon> Hmm, washing machine was complaining that I needed to clean the pump
14:47:30 <Ampera> Kinda sucks too, Alana was one of the most interesting characters in the show.
14:47:33 <Halcyon> Found a whole cable tie in there
14:47:45 <Ampera> your washing machine has a pump?
14:47:59 <Ampera> gdi
14:47:59 <T3sl4> "i can't pump right now, i'm all tied up"
14:48:01 <Halcyon> To expel the water
14:48:02 <DHess_US> Like I said, I would have prefered someone who looked more the type to inhabit a high gravity world.
14:48:09 <Halcyon> Pretty much T3sl4
14:49:03 <DHess_US> Start the show but putting everybody who isn't in tall boots and dress the sets accordingly.
14:49:20 <DHess_US> Lots of opportunity for short jokes then.
16:40:39 <Halcyon> Wow, must be a slow news day, they wrote an article about the interrobang
17:02:18 * Halcyon is moist
17:02:34 <Halcyon> I just had to pull the S bend apart in the laundry, it was full of detergent and fluff
17:02:51 <Halcyon> No wonder the washing machine wasn't pumping properly
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