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02:26:06 <MrMobodies> Hello
02:31:32 <MrMobodies> I was given a Surface 2 tablet years ago that I gave up on. I should have sold it but I forgot about it.
02:31:41 <MrMobodies> OOPS Surface RT
02:33:18 <MrMobodies> I found that changing the display driver from Tegra to Microsoft basic, stops that annoying auto brightness thing that put me off in the first place. I am not going to use it for videos or games. Also found the jailbreak stuff and I can do the basic things on there like run irfanview.
02:34:11 <MrMobodies> Very pleased now that I am in control of it not them.
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04:52:01 <mrpackethead> @T3s1aC01l, hello
04:52:45 <T3sl4> no idea who that is
04:53:17 <mrpackethead> lols.
04:53:59 <mrpackethead> well, the little TDK ethernet transformers seem to be happy enough passing 1A of current without burning up
04:54:16 <T3sl4> what about inductance with imbalance
04:54:29 <mrpackethead> have not yet done that testing.
04:54:40 <mrpackethead> will do this week
04:56:10 <mrpackethead> the tops of them do get quite hot, (~90C, from ambient of 22C ) with no cooling assistance
04:57:21 <mrpackethead> i have a tiny heat sink extrusion i'll try out
04:58:16 <DHess_US> https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTU1MjAzODM5OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwOTcwODI1ODE@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,666,1000_AL_.jpg
04:59:52 <T3sl4> can you hide a thermocouple inside the part to measure its temp under the heatsink?
05:01:55 <mrpackethead> mm, maybe
05:02:01 <mrpackethead> its a good idea.
05:03:24 <mrpackethead> i was just measuring the temp with a thermal camera but once the heat sink is on it, it might be harder
05:03:36 <T3sl4> solid aluminum has that effect
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05:05:30 <DHess_US> Usually the best way is to drill a hole through the heat sink to place the thermocouple against the part.
05:05:32 <mrpackethead> might debug wire one, stick it on the alumimnum, and look at it from the 'bottom' side
05:05:54 <mrpackethead> DHess_US, the part itself is pretty small
05:06:05 <T3sl4> or drill a hole thru the pcb
05:06:14 <DHess_US> But if the heat sink isn't all that large, then the difference between the surface and case temperature won't be high.
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05:07:35 <T3sl4> i don't know about that, we're talking about a component that's not supposed to be heatsinked
05:08:19 <DHess_US> Which is a problem because then the junction temperature which is what matters and the case temperature which is what you have access to may be very different because of high thermal resistance.
05:08:42 <T3sl4> the "Junction" may be accessible in this case, since the cricial part is the transformer's wire
05:09:11 <DHess_US> i'm surprised the transformer wouldn't saturate due to leakage inductance.
05:11:15 <T3sl4> leakage is literally the part not in the core :P
05:12:15 <mrpackethead> THe heat sink is large reletive tot he part
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05:21:28 <mrpackethead> DHess, theres not really a junction in a transformer
05:22:34 <mrpackethead> T3sl4, i can get a thermocouple up against the wire.
05:23:43 <T3sl4> cool
05:32:12 <DHess_US> Why not use 2 transformers in parallel; halve the power dissapation and half the thermal resistance for one quarter the temperature rise.
05:33:06 <mrpackethead> T3sl4, my thoughts are that the heat sink is not going to make that much difference
05:33:23 <mrpackethead> Mangaze-Zinc is not particually thermally conductive
05:34:03 <mrpackethead> so putting a heat sink on the outside may not work so well
05:34:11 <T3sl4> but also 1/2 the impedance, and he's already using two back to back
05:34:27 <mrpackethead> DHess_US, these are ethernet transformers
05:34:29 <T3sl4> which i think is supposed to be as much impedance as ethernet can handle? that's 4 transformers in the path
05:35:03 <mrpackethead> T3sl4, you'd have three
05:35:19 <mrpackethead> Switch, Midspan, Deviec
05:35:57 <mrpackethead> the wire itself is well exposed.
05:36:09 <DHess_US> mrpackethead, yes. So?
05:36:12 <mrpackethead> forced air cooling may make quite a lot of difference
05:36:30 <mrpackethead> DHess_US, was'nt sure if you were aware of what we were talkign about.
05:36:33 <DHess_US> forced air will make a huge difference.
05:37:06 <DHess_US> Transformers in parallel only halves the self inductance.
05:37:45 <T3sl4> it's only 350uH or whatever, three or four of those in parallel on the signal path raises the LF cutoff by 4x
05:41:19 <mrpackethead> had an interesting idea. i can poentially put a 2.5mm hole underneath the transformer, and force air through it.
05:41:54 <mrpackethead> which will be directly under the wire.
05:44:48 <mrpackethead> OK, GOTTa go, catch a plane
05:44:50 <mrpackethead> talk soo.
05:47:21 <T3sl4> o/
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06:01:57 <rust_collector> interesting. How does a transformer react to running a bit hot?
06:05:21 <DHess_US> The reluctance of the core decreases. If you hit the curie temperature, then it stops being a transformer.
06:05:49 <DHess_US> Many ferrites will be damaged by excessive temperature and they never recover.
06:08:06 <rust_collector> ok, I see that, but I would think that would be at a pretty high temp?
06:09:02 <rust_collector> I just realized don't know a lot about ferrite things
06:12:23 <rust_collector> I just had a feeling it would be fine up to... oh, closer to 150c.
06:22:04 <T3sl4> also, saturation level drops as temp increases, which limits maximum signal level in this case
06:23:19 <Ampera> I just started up possibly the most underused peice of Valve software in existence.
06:23:24 <Ampera> The Linux port of Ricochet
06:23:27 <T3sl4> saturation Bmax drops exponentially as you get closer to Tc, so for Tc = 150C say, T = 100C might be okay with a modest drop in Bmax, but at 120 or 130C it's almost useless
06:24:08 <Ampera> I've never played Richochet, but it actually looks like it could be fairly fun.
06:38:32 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.techly.com.au/2016/03/14/in-switzerland-its-illegal-to-own-just-one-guinea-pig-due-to-loneliness/
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07:07:11 <mrpackethead> ok, now on the right side of security
07:08:02 <mrpackethead> the more i think about this heatsink, the more i realise that slapping a hunk of alumium on top of it, is going to make not a lot of difference.
07:08:49 <mrpackethead> magnese zinc ferrite 3.9 W/m-K ( alumium is ~280 )
07:23:37 <DHess_US> I didn't know zinc ferrite wast that low.
07:24:22 <mrpackethead> well, thats what the datasheet says, so i'll run with it.
07:24:39 <mrpackethead> DHess_US, i'm not massively 'overdriving' these.
07:25:00 <mrpackethead> they are rated to 600mA, and i want to run them at 900mA
07:25:19 <mrpackethead> The TDK engineers say the main issue is thermal.
07:28:24 <DHess_US> A little bit of forced air cooling will make a huge difference but I hate small fans.
07:30:26 <DHess_US> But there is still something to be gained using a heat sink. Just don't go overboard with it because a small one will work almost as good as a big one.
07:30:46 <DHess_US> Just stick it on with epoxy.
07:31:39 <mrpackethead> I have to force air cool the psu anyway
07:32:48 <mrpackethead> and it will all be going into a 19" rack mount
07:33:48 <mrpackethead> https://product.tdk.com/info/en/catalog/datasheets/090007/trans_alt4532p_en.pdf
07:33:51 <mrpackethead> that is the part
07:36:52 <DHess_US> Hmm, the problem is that the heat is dissappated in the windings which are not very well thermally coupled to the exposed surface.
07:38:46 <DHess_US> I wonder what the temperature derating graph is about. It just says temperature but is that ambient? Case?
07:40:08 <mrpackethead> I have some more unpublished data from TDK
07:41:02 <mrpackethead> but the windings are exposed, so provided i can get air past them, i think it will be good
07:41:24 <mrpackethead> as you say, its not well thermally coupled to the ferrite
07:45:00 <MrMobodies> Don't know what is wrong with me today but I have just made a proper fool of myself.
07:45:13 <DHess_US> Just a little bit of air makes a big difference. But adding a fan just for that is an awfully high price. Better if you can manage it is to use baffles to direct existing air.
07:46:31 <DHess_US> Sometimes you will see cases which operate with positive or negative pressurization which have strategically placed vent holes and baffles to direct airflow.
07:46:39 <MrMobodies> Power supplies, air flows and heat sinks. What are you trying to cool?
07:48:00 <MrMobodies> Just readin up, 150c that is hot for a transformer.
07:52:23 <DHess_US> It might be a good applicaiton for a piezoelectric fan if cost is not a problem.
07:53:37 <mrpackethead> DHess_US, i have used some of those peizo coolers for some LED applications
07:53:45 <mrpackethead> they work really well
08:15:55 <rust_collector> I was just outside, looking at an old amplifier/radio thing. I guess I should power it up, before I take it apart (it is just for parts)
08:19:01 <rust_collector> My plan is to build a power supply, from more or less random parts. I guess it does not make much economic sense, but... I have a thing for power supplies
08:21:16 <DHess_US> Eh, power supplies are good to learn on and it is always handy to have a couple extras with different power levels.
08:21:45 <DHess_US> More and more I'm thinking of publishing a good "universal" linear design in the forums.
08:23:47 <rust_collector> That would be great, because I just get confused by reading the 300 threads about diy supplies that do not work very well
08:24:44 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxkrdLI6e6M
08:26:49 <DHess_US> Most of them all start with that same schematic.
08:33:53 <mrpackethead> power supplies are half my life.
08:34:15 <mrpackethead> but not linear ones.
08:34:32 <MrMobodies> I am interested in some particular ones
08:35:15 <rust_collector> do you think a "smaller" supply is a better place to start? It is not like I need much power as such, but if big and chunky makes things easier to get working...
08:36:15 <MrMobodies> I have come across this one:
08:36:16 <MrMobodies> http://crystal-display.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/LSE9901B1260.pdf
08:36:29 <MrMobodies> I have used them years and they give me no problems
08:36:34 <MrMobodies> second hand in job lots
08:37:19 <MrMobodies> Do you think that is a good power supply?
08:40:10 <DHess_US> rust_collector, the most useful supply is a low current dual tracking floating supply up to +/-18 volts at just a couple hundred milliamps like a Tektronix PS503. It allows you to add linear circuits anywhere with their own supply.
08:41:54 <DHess_US> Unfortunately most newbies want 30 volts at 3 amps.
08:43:11 <DHess_US> MrMobodies, 504 Gateway Time-out on that link
08:43:41 <MrMobodies> oops
08:44:00 <rust_collector> I have thought about +/-15 and 1A. I guess a volt ot two more will be ok.
08:44:07 <rust_collector> The link works for me?
08:44:20 <MrMobodies> I get those times out now and again
08:44:52 <MrMobodies> Here's a page version
08:44:53 <MrMobodies> https://dokumen.tips/documents/lse9901b1260-lishin-elec-spec.html
08:45:02 <DHess_US> Well, the oldest analog ICs could run up to 40 volts or +/-20. Most are 33 or 36 volts for +/-15
08:46:46 <DHess_US> Site loads so much javascript trash that it crashed my browswer.
08:46:53 <MrMobodies> I am sorry
08:47:13 <DHess_US> If you are going to just buy something, then you don't need my advice.
08:47:42 <MrMobodies> I like to ask for opinions
08:48:42 <rust_collector> to me, that looks like a pretty standard "laptop style" power brick? I guess, if you have used them for years, they have to be ok? But yeah, I am not the one to ask about technical things
08:49:18 <MrMobodies> I have had many fail and those I put in their places
08:49:19 <rust_collector> (And I can not find ic2 in the drawing, lol)
08:49:36 <MrMobodies> I can take them apart, replace the components and the cords are socketed.
08:49:57 <MrMobodies> and they don't give that nasty 30v spike like some of the others.
08:52:19 <DHess_US> And now I have to wait 120 seconds to download the documenation? Nope. Forget it.
08:55:22 <rust_collector> that tektronice one looks neat
08:55:31 <rust_collector> tronics
08:56:39 <MrMobodies> I have uploded it on Imgur
08:56:39 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/7mJdnS0
08:56:43 <MrMobodies> Sorry about all of that
08:57:10 <MrMobodies> It has the schematics in there.
08:59:58 <rust_collector> the electronics project I have been most satitfied with, was a generic chinese laptop charger, that I modified to have adjustable voltage, and I stuffed one of those little led voltmeters in the case. I am easy to please, I guess
09:00:36 <rust_collector> but hey! it has been handy some times
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09:03:19 <rust_collector> it cuts out at a bit under 4v, I assume it just does not have enough power to power itself.
09:03:43 <rust_collector> but for a quick hackjob like that, I am really happy about it
09:04:09 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMj-uzlW9Io
09:04:44 <MrMobodies> I have seen thar some use copper and aluminium shielding. Is copper a better shield?
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09:06:09 <MrMobodies> I have take some photos of that one and it has copper and a shielded back
09:06:13 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/LJ4vBdz
09:07:04 <rust_collector> internet says copper is better. I have not actually read the article yet
09:08:01 <DHess_US> For most applications any difference will be insignificant
09:09:10 <DHess_US> copper is easier to connect because you can solder to it easily.
09:09:54 <MrMobodies> thats why they used it to solder the secondary earthing plate underneath.
09:10:30 <MrMobodies> whereas the others I have seen don't have a earth plate at the bottom connected to the copper foil.
09:12:24 <MrMobodies> I have learnt something thank you.
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09:15:24 <rust_collector> I think I have found what I want (to copy) https://www.ebay.com/p/Heath-Schlumberger-Sp-2718-Tri-Power-Supply-Variable-Output-Voltage/1710903924?_trkparms=aid%3D666006%26algo%3DPRP.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20151029144032%26meid%3D175529ae44b94aec844a60e27596889d%26pid%3D100534%26rk%3D7%26rkt%3D8%26&_trksid=p2349526.c100534.m4207
09:15:29 <rust_collector> oops
09:16:07 <rust_collector> if nothing else, I can make the dents in the case look similar to that
09:16:19 <MrMobodies> It looks solid and well built
09:17:34 <MrMobodies> On the right dial,what is "A'tracking'b'"?
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09:18:43 <MrMobodies> Nevermind I found the manual.
09:19:03 <rust_collector> If I got it right, if you set one channel to track the other, you...found the manual
09:19:24 <MrMobodies> be careful popups on this one
09:19:26 <MrMobodies> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cj46pTeo-jSLE56kHFk8bj8japf8tRNMD0lV-u66bWw/edit
09:19:42 <MrMobodies> oh it was a redirect
09:19:52 <MrMobodies> Oh sorry dont click it
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09:20:45 <MrMobodies> Don't click the link. I don't know where they get the time to do such things like that.
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09:21:45 <MrMobodies> I reported it to google.
09:23:17 <MrMobodies> Found it the real copy
09:23:18 <MrMobodies> http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/mbrs/recording_preservation/manuals/Heath%20Zenith%20Tri-Power%20Supply%20Model%20SP-2718.pdf
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09:25:06 <MrMobodies> Built in 1976 and Page 9 Tracking Mode Applications
09:26:12 <rust_collector> just a few years older than me
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09:36:58 <rust_collector> well, it is already too late here, so have a good night
09:39:10 <MrMobodies> Night
09:40:26 <MrMobodies> I was given on oscilliscope a couple of years ago. It is called a Solartron. It takes a while for the screen to turn on. Anyone heard of it?
09:41:11 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/U294QRl.jpg
09:44:31 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:49:11 <MrMobodies> hello
09:50:09 <steve30> afternoon
09:52:28 <Halcyon> Just made a pot of coffee, still waking up
10:23:49 <steve30> i'm hoping to go swimming in the morning
10:27:27 <Halcyon> YAY
10:39:21 <MrMobodies> I use to like swimming
10:40:13 <MrMobodies> until I noticed someone peeing in there.
10:40:31 <MrMobodies> it put me off
10:51:27 <Ampera> eyyy, Halcyon
10:52:26 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
10:52:35 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: What did you think people did in pools?
10:52:38 <Ampera> eyyy
10:53:11 <MrMobodies> I started to question when I swam in the sea
10:53:25 <Ampera> I piss in the water all the time, and don't care for two reason: piss is almost always sterile, and even if it wasn't, there's so much chlorine, if there was anything transmitted, it wouldn't live long, and very very quickly dissipate.
10:53:53 <MrMobodies> It did have lots of chlorine.
10:53:54 <Ampera> just don't drink pool water, and you should be alright.
10:54:10 <MrMobodies> Sorry if I am paranoid.
10:54:24 <Ampera> It really wouldn't make a difference, pee unless in the even of disease is often more sterile than the water it's pissed into
10:55:17 <Halcyon> Pee in the ocean I'm not worries about. After all, all the animals piss and shit in there all the time
10:55:31 <Halcyon> Also Ampera, where did you get the idea that urine is sterile?
10:55:38 <Halcyon> It's full of bacteria
10:55:51 <Ampera> ?
10:56:02 <Ampera> let me get the documents as to that then
10:56:47 <Ampera> Indeed. I redact my statement, I thought it was sterile, and it's apparently an urban myth.
10:56:52 <MrMobodies> I read the army had some filter where they could drink it three times.
10:56:53 <Halcyon> *nod*
10:57:07 <MrMobodies> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6185-army-rations-rehydrated-by-urine/
10:57:16 <Halcyon> Which is why 'they' say not to pee on yourself at the beach if you get stung by something like a bluebottle.
10:57:23 <Halcyon> You just infect the puncture site
10:57:23 <Ampera> MrMobodies, what do you think you drink today? Urinating life has existed for so long, likely all of the water you drink today has been urinated at some point.
10:58:05 <MrMobodies> I suppose something might pee on it on the way, whether it is in an undergound resourvior.
10:58:30 <MrMobodies> You see I got this irrational feer of germs.
10:58:36 <MrMobodies> oops fear
10:58:49 <Ampera> The way I see it, you get sick, you get sick.
10:58:50 <MrMobodies> and yet I don't keep the place clean
10:58:52 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: Years ago in Australia they talked about building a water recycling plant from effulent. I remember all over the TV they had politicians drinking purified water.
10:59:12 <Halcyon> Needless to say, despite the science behind it all, it still seemed like a gross idea
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10:59:31 <Ampera> I disagree, provided I know the method behind sewage treatment is valid, I'll drink it.
10:59:46 <Ampera> I mean I already do, as I said, most water has been metabolized by animals before.
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11:00:40 <Halcyon> I agree Amps, I'd drink it, I believe the science when it says you can get pure uncontaminated water from effluent (they do it in space), but yeh, still kind of gross to think about.
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11:01:05 <Ampera> I don't get grossed out by it in the slightest
11:01:20 <Halcyon> I mean, I don't particularly want to drink anything that has come out of your penis.
11:01:25 <MrMobodies> I know they spoke of desalinized water in the uk back ten years ago
11:01:51 <Halcyon> Basically the same thing MrMobodies, filtration and treatment to take out all the nasty stuff and salts.
11:01:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, for me it's what comming out of who's penis
11:02:39 <Halcyon> ?
11:02:45 <Ampera> what
11:02:59 <Halcyon> I don't understand the sentence?
11:03:28 <MrMobodies> When I move and I am going to miss my unmetered supply.
11:03:32 <Ampera> for me, within the topic of consuming penile excretions, I would not object, under certain conditions dictating what fluid was discharged, and from which penis
11:03:46 <Ampera> mmm, yes, unmetered water is great.
11:04:07 <Halcyon> Are you talking about filtered or unfiltered Amp?
11:04:09 <Ampera> We get the fucking shit for utilities, flat rate water, 80/mo gigabit internet
11:04:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, unfiltered
11:04:24 <MrMobodies> I am hoping in the countryside that the pipes are so old and in a way that it would be impractical like this street.
11:04:26 <Halcyon> Ahh yes, well then I would want to know where it came from :P
11:04:52 <Ampera> I think I'm feeling my mind start to fall apart.
11:04:59 <Halcyon> How so?
11:05:19 <Ampera> because of so much time of doing nothing, I've started falling into periods in which I cannot understand time very well.
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11:05:34 <Ampera> Days and nights become the same days and nights, me doing the same things over and over.
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11:05:55 <MrMobodies> I am idle too. I wake in the nigh because of little to do
11:05:58 <Ampera> I find myself struggling to maintain an objective view, and to fluently process information.
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11:06:29 <Ampera> It sometimes feels, though, as if I have thought so hard that I have peered into the very meaning of life itself.
11:06:30 <MrMobodies> ooh sorry misread
11:07:34 <Ampera> I also feel very trapped, my parents having devolved themselves mentally. Both of them are completely fucked in the head, and all my mom does is get drunk in the middle of the day
11:07:42 <Ampera> and doesn't give a fuck when I'm upset about it
11:08:07 <Halcyon> I can understand that's tough Ampera, especially since you're forced to live in the middle of it all.
11:08:12 <MrMobodies> I still live at home
11:08:17 <MrMobodies> I even got my own butler sink
11:08:19 <Ampera> That's not the primary issue, though.
11:08:21 <Halcyon> When you go to college or whatever, do you have the option of living in a dorm?
11:08:39 <Ampera> I don't care if I have to live here, I'm not living in a dorm.
11:08:48 <Halcyon> OK, just an idea
11:09:01 <Ampera> Dorms in the US are fucking bullshit, you either have a group room, in which I'm forced to live with people I probably hate, or I get a hole in the wall with nothing in it.
11:09:15 <Halcyon> Hmm yes, that doesn't sound idea
11:09:20 <Halcyon> Fuck living in a room with others
11:09:24 <Halcyon> *ideal
11:09:45 <Ampera> That's why I'm trying so hard to find employment, as I'm trying to get to a position of self sustainability.
11:09:52 <MrMobodies> My sister lived in one of those
11:10:04 <MrMobodies> they charged her for a phone line she didn't have
11:10:05 <Ampera> I know I have the experience to gain a job capable of doing that, I just need the opportunity.
11:10:07 <Halcyon> Good to hear. I see so many people your age who are just lazy fucks.
11:10:10 <MrMobodies> and it was filfthy
11:10:12 <Halcyon> Good to see you aren't one of them
11:10:26 <Ampera> Well that's about all I can be at the moment, but I'm trying to crawl my way out.
11:10:43 <Halcyon> You'll get there. It just takes time
11:10:44 <Ampera> I might have gained an opportunity of some sort, I need to progress within it to see, and I've also began working harder on my projects.
11:12:05 <Halcyon> I'm having a brain fart here.... what's the name of those cylindrical pasta tubes which are filled with things
11:12:22 <Ampera> penises?
11:12:29 <Halcyon> .... Cannelloni
11:12:33 <Halcyon> Fucking stupid bran
11:12:35 <Halcyon> brian
11:12:41 <Ampera> you need help there?
11:12:50 <Halcyon> Perhaps I need another coffee
11:13:02 <Ampera> I need a drink
11:13:11 <Halcyon> Urine water?
11:13:37 <T3sl4> Too many coffees and urine trouble.
11:13:51 <Ampera> was thinking of milk, speaking of shit that comes out of other animials' bodies
11:13:51 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4 :)
11:14:01 <Halcyon> I like milk, but only when it's plain and cold
11:14:08 <Halcyon> Not a fan of flavoured milks
11:14:10 <Ampera> and whole
11:14:16 <Halcyon> Yes, indeed
11:14:18 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon his nut milk
11:14:23 <Ampera> I don't mind flavoured milks, chocolate milk and vanilla milk are alright
11:14:33 <Halcyon> T3sl4: I'd take it :P It's about knowing where it came from
11:14:35 <Ampera> but I consume whole milk like a horse does water
11:14:41 <MrMobodies> I like skimmed milk
11:14:48 <Ampera> BURN THE HERETIC
11:14:49 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: Get out :P
11:14:52 <T3sl4> skim milk is a lie
11:14:58 <T3sl4> water that's lying
11:14:58 <MrMobodies> oops semi skimmed red top
11:14:59 <MrMobodies> oh
11:15:07 <Ampera> BURN HIM
11:15:09 <Ampera> BURN
11:15:32 <Ampera> whole milk, whole dick, or wholy shit.
11:15:42 <T3sl4> wolly shit?
11:16:04 <Ampera> speaking of phallicies, that's another reason I don't want to live in a dorm.
11:16:14 <Ampera> Distinct potential gender issues for me personally.
11:16:22 <Halcyon> There is a classic line in Everybody Loves Raymond where Marie switches Frank over to skim milk: "It's not even mixing, the coffee doesn't even recognise it"
11:16:31 <MrMobodies> gender issues?
11:16:40 <Ampera> why did I know you were going to say that
11:16:48 <Halcyon> Who?
11:16:55 <Ampera> MrMobodies,
11:17:07 <Ampera> I'm what you'd call a dedicated trap
11:17:20 <Ampera> aka fucked in the head
11:17:29 * T3sl4 skullfucks Ampera
11:17:40 <Halcyon> I don't know what colleges are like there, but here, at university, you can be any or all (or no) gender. And there are something like 35 to choose from
11:17:42 <Halcyon> It's just nuts
11:17:53 <Ampera> That's another reason why I don't want to come to Australia
11:17:58 <Ampera> well, live there
11:18:04 <MrMobodies> I have been called a robot before but I'll try not to be a robot.
11:18:18 <Halcyon> That's just uni. Universities (for the most part) are a laughing stock to the rest of the community.
11:18:25 <Ampera> I'm your old classic Transformer, MrMobodies. I'm the biggest faggot in this room.
11:18:35 <Halcyon> Since when Ampera?
11:18:40 <Halcyon> You haven't had same sex sex
11:18:56 <Ampera> since I outclassed your gay with russian roulette gay, with a mix of I don't know if I want my penis or not
11:19:06 <MrMobodies> big brick transformer with the big windings
11:19:08 <Halcyon> Hmm
11:19:16 <Ampera> MrMobodies, almost read that as big dick
11:19:45 <T3sl4> dig bick?
11:20:12 <Ampera> I'm the real fucking monty, Halcyon, watch your ass
11:20:13 <steve30> well, on dismantling this faulty walkman, i can't see anything wrong :/
11:20:26 <Ampera> steve30, do you want another faulty walkman with nothing obviously wrong in it?
11:20:32 <Halcyon> You watch your ass Ampera
11:20:32 <Halcyon> :P
11:20:40 <MrMobodies> Sarcasm I like it
11:20:41 <Halcyon> Symptoms steve30 ?
11:20:58 <steve30> I have loads of walkans, so I think I'll manage.
11:20:59 <Ampera> Halcyon, persistant cough, runny nose, sore throat
11:21:01 <MrMobodies> "nothing wrong with the walkman, want another one?"
11:21:16 <steve30> Its a 4 track head for auto reverse. One One of the tracks doesn't work.
11:21:45 <MrMobodies> I go for the Galpsued plus for my colds not that nasal spray medication stuff
11:21:55 <MrMobodies> Gets rid of the flem
11:22:08 <Halcyon> Phlegm
11:22:20 * Ampera breaks Halcyon's nose
11:22:26 <MrMobodies> unfortunately I haver to convince my doctor to go above his quata as everybody wants it in his practice.
11:22:48 <Ampera> There are only two medications for a cold
11:23:01 <Ampera> Aspirin when you're awake, and something NyQuil to knock you the fuck out at night
11:23:14 <MrMobodies> Oh I mean for a sore through and the flem
11:23:25 <Ampera> oh, and Mucinex DM
11:23:32 <Ampera> that's for the mucous
11:24:00 <MrMobodies> It has Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride and Chlorphenamine maleate
11:24:03 <Ampera> With that I can largely control a cold's most serious symptoms, and sleep really fuckin good at night
11:24:14 <Ampera> in fact I'm half tempted to take some tonight, because I just don't want to be awake righ tnow
11:24:22 <Ampera> or alive, but I don't think I have enough nyquil for that one
11:25:02 <MrMobodies> I forgot that Baileys Irish Cream might do the job and put me a bed when I ran out and have to repeat the prescription.
11:25:55 <Ampera> Halcyon, r8 my current playlist, m8 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgBE3pQP75h9Qkwjn67_Wuwg7EQ6eBYUg
11:28:21 <steve30> hmm, seems ok now. maybe there was a bit of dirt in the head connector
11:29:26 <Ampera> My only walkman doesn't drive the tape. The motor's fine, but it's potentially something with the driver circuitry for it
11:29:29 <steve30> also, these tapes I bought from Tapeline Ltd aren't very good
11:29:54 <Ampera> What type are they?
11:30:01 <steve30> Ampera, belt maybe?
11:30:45 <steve30> Just some duplicator grade Chrome tapes. Same ones featured on techmoan many times, although I bought mine before techmoan popularised them
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11:34:23 <Ampera> steve30, no, the motor doesn't spin, at all.
11:34:29 <Ampera> it's not broken, just not being driven
11:35:13 <steve30> oh
11:35:24 <steve30> what model walkman?
11:35:51 <Ampera> I forget exactly, one of the ones with a built in radio
11:35:56 <Ampera> It
11:36:03 <Ampera> 's elsewhere and I don't want to look for it
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15:10:32 <WebChatUser> hi
15:11:38 <WebChatUser> This might me random to ask but do you like ? https://www.mycircle.tv/4022-6037-87
15:13:39 <steve30> Looks highly relevant to an electronics channel :)
15:24:40 <WebChatUser> did anyone like it
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20:53:10 <ThunderSqueak_> new video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxeepBRtOds
21:27:07 <coppice_> I guess that will tap a certain audience
21:28:43 <ThunderSqueak_> apparently
21:29:01 <ThunderSqueak_> it is just something I have been needing to finish, so I turned the camera on and talked randomly
21:29:31 <coppice_> interesting use of the term "need"
21:30:00 <ThunderSqueak_> well, I spent the money on the board, and had the parts sitting around for 2 months
21:30:38 <ThunderSqueak_> a keyer is like 100 bucks if you buy a commercial one, that one was like 10 dollars and does the same stuff
21:35:05 <coppice_> Those are the kind of price reductions Morse law predicts
21:39:21 <ThunderSqueak_> that a pun? :P
21:39:27 * ThunderSqueak_ is currently drunk
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