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03:17:07 <Ampera> HAHAHA, How's it feel to live in a third world country, Halcyon?
03:17:29 <Ampera> 12mbps, my dear god, we don't even get that on our phones.
03:18:00 <Ampera> I can actually say I haven't had speeds that slow in about a decade.
04:07:52 <DHess_US> I'd be happy with slower speeds if they didn't have a cap.
04:08:11 <DHess_US> Low latency would be nice also.
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06:38:53 <Halcyon> But I don't live in America Ampera :P
06:39:18 <Halcyon> But yes, now you see why people are ditching fixed wire connections in favour of mobile
06:39:34 <Ampera> I never said I didn't.
06:39:41 <Ampera> I did indeed say our phones were faster.
06:39:59 <Halcyon> I doubt that
06:40:05 <Halcyon> Well yes, faster than NBN
06:40:10 <Ampera> that's what I said
06:40:12 <Halcyon> ANYTHING is faster
06:40:20 * Ampera smacks Halcyon with a Bell 103 modem
06:40:37 <Halcyon> Heh, too bad we can't use those anymore, analog lines are gone
06:40:57 <Ampera> Same here, but instead of DSL dry runs, they replaced it with fibre.
06:41:12 <Halcyon> Anyway got to get ready for work. Chat later.
06:41:17 <Ampera> I think they've actually ripped out all of the DSL dry runs in my city wherever they have fibre
06:41:20 <Ampera> np
06:41:24 <Ampera> ciao
06:45:12 <coppice_> Ampera: are you talking about the Verizon monopoly scheme?
06:45:27 <Ampera> Aye, that's how I understand they're doing it.
06:46:13 <Ampera> but I also believe that Verizon was literally the only telco in my city, so I don't know how much of a ground breaking change that is.
06:46:50 <Ampera> I'd much rather get upset about companies like Cox and Comcast before I get upset about Verizon though, because getting upset at ISPs for being monopolies is like getting upset at people for breathing.
06:47:03 <coppice_> in your town it ensures they remain the only option. in other towns it blocks people
06:47:09 <Ampera> So when they're all equally stingy, it's up to what they actually sell you.
06:47:41 <Ampera> That may be true, but do also remember that cable providers, to the best of my understanding are still seperate, so there is /an/ alternative, not that it's a very good one.
06:47:56 <DHess_US> AT&T does that here. Once you order U-Verse, then you can never get POTs sevice again.
06:48:02 <coppice_> people are generally monopolies through the shady things they have done. Verizon is probably in that position in your town
06:48:14 <DHess_US> Which is a good way to lock out Covad.
06:49:02 <Ampera> Regardless, Verizon at least offers a good service at decent prices, whereas pretty much most other non-fibre ISPs won't.
06:49:15 <Ampera> and I'm not talking about in my area, I'm talking across the US.
06:49:38 <DHess_US> But only where Verizon is available.
06:49:50 <coppice_> Most people don't seem to consider Verizon a good service or a reasonably priced one
06:50:17 <Ampera> would you call no cap no limit 940/880 FttP for 80/mo bad?
06:50:33 <coppice_> 80 a month is an EXTREMELY high price
06:50:42 <Ampera> you fucking kidding me?
06:50:48 <Ampera> my grandfather was paying 200/mo for 250/5
06:51:16 <Ampera> and that's Comcast who, even if you don't have a data cap, can call you up, yell at you for using too much of your service, and even cut you off.
06:51:20 <coppice_> no. Until I returned to the UK last year I had 6 years of rock solid 1Gbps fibre + phone services for $25 a month
06:51:32 <Ampera> Well where was that? Hong Kong?
06:51:36 <coppice_> yep
06:51:52 <Ampera> Yeah, here's a secret, not sure if you noticed, The US is a little bit bigger than Hong Kong.
06:52:11 <coppice_> Ampera: that is an extremely dumb response
06:52:13 <DHess_US> Yet the US has the same problem in urban areas with HK density.
06:52:22 <Ampera> For the US, 80/mo 940/880 FttP is bullshit cheap.
06:52:37 <coppice_> because you have overpriced monopolies
06:52:42 <Ampera> DHess_US, Yes, but they don't just have to service a connection between people in an urban area, they have to give people a connection to the entire internet.
06:53:03 <DHess_US> OMFG! They have to use peering and transit connecitons just like everybody else!
06:53:05 <coppice_> SK isn't so different from many US cities and their prices are like HK
06:53:05 <Ampera> That's part of it, but the US will have more expensive telecommunications becasue they are a larger country, even for people in denser areas.
06:53:20 <DHess_US> It doesn't work like that.
06:53:29 <coppice_> Ampera: that is total BS
06:53:35 <Ampera> The thing is all of South Korea's population is pushed together, the US isn't.
06:53:44 <coppice_> That is also total BS
06:53:47 <Ampera> you can call it BS all you want, that's a critical difference.
06:54:02 <coppice_> stop listening to the people charging you, and look at reality
06:54:23 <DHess_US> And all the population on Long Island is pushed together also yet it doesn't give them low cost internet access.
06:54:52 <Ampera> What the hell do you want me to tell you? I know there's monopoly bullshit, I'm not disagreeing with you.
06:55:03 <Ampera> I'm just saying overall national population density is a contributing factor.
06:55:21 <DHess_US> Meanwhile less dense areas which implement municiple broadband *do* have low cost access. I wonder what could explain that?
06:55:25 <coppice_> but you are trying to tell us you have a monpoly + reasonable prices. that never happens
06:55:52 <DHess_US> Overall national population density has no effect.
06:55:58 <Ampera> I never said that the US has reasonable prices, I said I had resonable prices compared to the US.
06:56:00 <Ampera> For which I do.
06:56:23 <DHess_US> That's like arguing that Canada's population density matters when 95% of Canadians live within 50 miles of the US border.
06:56:38 <Ampera> I disagree, but we can argue the finer points of telecommunications service cost to provide all day, I don't think either of us have real statistics to back them up.
06:56:54 <coppice_> the town I lived in in HK had a monopoly for quirky historic reasons, and poor internet service. the day a competitor managed to get in both the original monopoly and the competitor were $25 a month for 1Gbps
06:57:01 <DHess_US> I've got something better but it will take a while to find a link.
06:57:36 <Ampera> I got shit to do, I'm done arguing this.
06:57:53 <DHess_US> Here you go, http://drpeering.net/white-papers/_pdfs/The-Art-of-Peering-The-Peering-Playbook.pdf
06:58:15 <coppice_> Ampera: I spent years in telecoms. prices have little to do with the cost of providing service. they are based on how much the poor suckers would have to spend to avoid you
06:59:05 <DHess_US> Bah, doc file masquerading as a PDF
06:59:19 <Ampera> Fine, I agree with you, does that make you happy?
07:00:09 <coppice_> not really. if there are no sheep to be fleeced it makes life harder for the rest of us
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10:32:59 <T3sl4> pizza warning
10:33:08 <T3sl4> in 15 minutes i will have pizza fresh from the oven <3
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11:27:21 <DHess_US> Did you bring enough pizza for everybody?
11:27:48 <T3sl4> as long as it's virtualized
11:28:12 <DHess_US> Obligatory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J8__fWphE0
11:29:47 <mrpackethead> T3sl4, are you still makign the pizza, or is it in the oven for 15?
11:29:47 <T3sl4> is that where "just what the hell you think you're doing here" sound clip comes from
11:29:57 <mrpackethead> cause a 15 minute cook time seems very long.
11:30:28 <DHess_US> No, 15 minutes for a frozen pizza in a home oven is about right.
11:30:37 <T3sl4> i neglected to report back, it has returned and since been consumed ;)
11:30:40 <T3sl4> most of it, anyway
11:30:50 <DHess_US> The ones I currently have in the freezer are 14 to 16 minutes at 425
11:30:51 * T3sl4 slaps DHess_US and mrpackethead with slices
11:30:59 <mrpackethead> frozen dough with topping is not pizza
11:31:18 <mrpackethead> please.
11:31:19 <DHess_US> Honestly, its better than most of the take out pizzas.
11:31:45 <DHess_US> It is especially better than Pizza Hut and it tried to kill me with food poisoning less than Papa Johns.
11:31:53 <mrpackethead> maybe. but i'm selective. real pizza is not hard to make either.
11:32:16 <T3sl4> i have the things for real pizza, i just wanted something now, not 24 hours from now
11:32:29 <mrpackethead> yes, that is the issue.. the wait.
11:32:30 <T3sl4> (or at least 8, because trying to raise crust any less is just not worthwhile)
11:32:34 <DHess_US> Pizza unavailable here anyway because everything is snowed in.
11:32:58 <mrpackethead> is the USA open still?
11:33:06 <T3sl4> parts of it
11:33:14 <DHess_US> Not the part I'm in atm.
11:33:24 <mrpackethead> lol. I ran into 'sorry we are closed, because we have no money' signs last week
11:33:56 <mrpackethead> we are takign bets on who will cave first.
11:34:31 <DHess_US> Congress or Trump?
11:34:32 <mrpackethead> four options.. UK Torys, UK labour ( on brexit ) or US Democrats or US republicans
11:34:42 <T3sl4> haha
11:34:48 <mrpackethead> both situations are ego driven
11:35:01 <T3sl4> at least brexit has a natural wall
11:35:05 <T3sl4> we just have a wall of stupid
11:35:15 <mrpackethead> just build a wall around trump.
11:35:19 <mrpackethead> shoudl cost about $1000
11:35:19 <DHess_US> I don't see the House of Representatives passing spending bills for the Senate to approve and Trump to veto.
11:35:32 <mrpackethead> nope nor do i
11:35:47 <mrpackethead> they will force him to try emergency stuff, then challentge it legally
11:35:55 <ibiza> Halcyon, new stats after getting Telstra to change profile from stable -> normal. http://www.speedtest.net/result/7960349393.png - prior was: http://www.speedtest.net/result/7958597158.png
11:36:07 <mrpackethead> what happens when Air Traffic controllers no longer have money to buy gas to drive to work?
11:36:27 <mrpackethead> will you just be able to walk through security at airports cause no body came to work?
11:36:52 <DHess_US> I think Pelosi mostly doesn't want Trump to accomplish what he said he would do before the next election.
11:37:22 <mrpackethead> " The united states air space is now fully uncontrolled, Pilots are now responsible for maintaining seperation "
11:37:35 <mrpackethead> I learned to fly at an uncontrolled airport
11:37:37 <mrpackethead> its not that bad.
11:37:39 <mrpackethead> lol.
11:37:47 <DHess_US> The real crunch is when the welfare payments are not made.
11:37:49 <T3sl4> try that when 747 heavys are coming and going :)
11:37:58 <mrpackethead> dont' even mind those.
11:38:04 <mrpackethead> its more about numbers.
11:38:15 <DHess_US> Yea, I flew out of and landed at John Wayne airport a couple times in a 172.
11:38:29 <mrpackethead> try that when you have a departure and arrival every 50 seconds
11:38:39 <T3sl4> hehe
11:38:51 <mrpackethead> best to being too close to a heavy when you are in a 152
11:38:52 <DHess_US> It's kind of weird to be in a spam can taxiing between 747s.
11:39:03 <T3sl4> i see singles and twins come and go from here, every so often, but mostly it's freight i think
11:39:06 <mrpackethead> ( i did most of my training in a 152 that i part owned. )
11:39:20 <T3sl4> (milwaukee is int'l, but it's a tiny fraction of the nearbyish O'Hare)
11:40:02 <DHess_US> I got to fly a T-6 once also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_T-6_Texan
11:40:03 <mrpackethead> with its massive 110HP!
11:40:20 <T3sl4> i trained a little bit on a piper cherokee, but never solo'd
11:40:41 <mrpackethead> i got a rating in the cherokees big brother an arrow
11:40:49 <mrpackethead> CSU + gear
11:40:49 <T3sl4> nice
11:40:57 <DHess_US> My pilot friend only let me land once. I used the alerons so much that I made him sick.
11:40:59 <mrpackethead> 260HP...
11:41:00 <T3sl4> which was at a regional airport, reasonable size, big enough to land 737s but not nearly as busy as primary ports
11:41:51 <mrpackethead> deadsticked a 152 onto a long runway
11:41:59 <mrpackethead> (3500')
11:42:02 <mrpackethead> well long for a 152
11:42:17 <T3sl4> well done
11:42:24 <mrpackethead> was'tn so bad as it sounded.
11:43:02 <mrpackethead> when i went to throttle down on base it went from 2400 -> 2300 when it shoudl have gone to about 1200
11:43:05 <T3sl4> landed at podunkville "international", which was the joke about the local grass strip ;)
11:43:09 <T3sl4> (a few times)
11:43:22 <mrpackethead> you can't land with nealry full power
11:43:34 <T3sl4> doh, throttle stuck?
11:43:39 <mrpackethead> effectively.
11:44:02 <T3sl4> when you shut off the mags, does the prop stall, or keep spinning?
11:44:28 <mrpackethead> turns out that the idler jet needle fell out and held the carb open
11:44:52 <T3sl4> so you did in fact pull it to idle
11:44:58 <T3sl4> idle was just...yeah ;)
11:45:06 <mrpackethead> yes, the throttle was fully out.
11:45:07 <mrpackethead> :-)
11:45:15 <mrpackethead> i killed it with the mixture to fully lean
11:45:21 <mrpackethead> then mags off.
11:45:45 <DHess_US> Hmm, I haven't seen many of these before, https://imgur.com/gallery/ZkCnYkT
11:45:46 <mrpackethead> I was solo, with about 80 hours at the time
11:45:59 <mrpackethead> had just got my PPL
11:46:04 <T3sl4> if it's still milling, i suppose you could restart it by turning it back to run settings
11:46:15 <T3sl4> otherwise, dead stick indeed
11:46:37 <mrpackethead> Forutnatly the CFI was at the aeroclub and he coached me down
11:46:57 <mrpackethead> all that training you do..for forced landings etc.. it kicks in.
11:47:04 <T3sl4> indeed
11:47:22 <mrpackethead> however, becuase i was at the airfeild it was not nearly as scary.. and i still had power
11:47:27 <mrpackethead> so, lots of options.
11:47:46 <mrpackethead> did a few orbits while we figured out what to do.
11:47:56 <mrpackethead> then did a long extended downwind, set up for a long final
11:48:24 <mrpackethead> deliberately came in high, as the airport is long for a 152, so came over the fence at abotu 300' rather than 50
11:48:35 <mrpackethead> landed abotu 1/3 in, rather than on the zebra
11:49:03 <mrpackethead> killed the engine, at about 600'.. everything esle was kind.. wind on the nose
11:49:08 <mrpackethead> calm day
11:49:20 <mrpackethead> i have to say it was not scary, till i was safe
11:49:22 <T3sl4> might as well prepare for rolling onto the taxiway rather than inconveniencing everyone :)
11:49:24 <mrpackethead> and then i lost it.
11:49:41 <mrpackethead> i did roll out and stop on the runway.
11:49:46 <T3sl4> ahhh
11:49:51 <mrpackethead> then got out and pulled the plane onto the grass.
11:50:07 <mrpackethead> before they came out and got me.
11:50:25 <mrpackethead> 152 is very light you can pull it easily by the prop
11:50:30 <T3sl4> yeah
11:50:56 <mrpackethead> when i was safe and off the runway, i sat down on the grass and lost the plot
11:51:11 <mrpackethead> kind of caught up with me at that point.
11:51:19 <T3sl4> yeah, if you can't keep your cool in the middle of going from boring cruise to "shits fucked up yo", you probably shouldn't be in the air
11:51:38 <T3sl4> on the ground... take your time
11:51:48 <mrpackethead> I did listen to the radio afterwards
11:51:57 <mrpackethead> I was obvisously a bit distressed
11:52:06 <mrpackethead> but not paniced.
11:52:19 <mrpackethead> 80 hour pilot does not have LOTs of experience to call on
11:53:20 <mrpackethead> anyway... So question for you genius's.. I am looking at a I2C part ( LP5018 ), its a led driver.. however it only has 2 I2C address's
11:53:51 <mrpackethead> sorry 2 IC2 address pins ( for 4 address's )
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11:54:14 <mrpackethead> if i wanted to use 6 of them, anyway to do it, other than use two I2C bus'es
11:55:03 <DHess_US> Either use two I2C buses or multiplex a single I2C bus
11:55:53 <DHess_US> Hmm, I wonder if anybody makes an I2C bus address translator.
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11:56:16 <DHess_US> NAT over I2C!
11:56:24 <mrpackethead> yeah. thats what i was wondering
11:56:39 <mrpackethead> i have a system that is modular
11:56:41 <DHess_US> Multiplexing is easier and just takes one additional output pin.
11:57:14 <DHess_US> Tie all of the datas together like normal and then multiplex the clock into two clocks.
11:57:45 <mrpackethead> maybe i should look for an I2C Led Driver with more pins.
11:58:04 <mrpackethead> the LP5018 would be idea. though.
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12:14:49 <T3sl4> Halcyon1, but Amper's on Two...
14:31:24 <mrpackethead> T3sl4, this i think will work
14:31:24 <mrpackethead> https://imagebin.ca/v/4TfL0jTbDong
14:34:39 <mrpackethead> DHess_US, this seems to work
14:36:10 <DHess_US> With some air flow that should work great.
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14:46:48 <Alessandro_AU> Does anyone here know much about FPGA's and VHDL?
14:51:47 <Alessandro_AU> I have a very simple module I'm trying at add to a design, it just takes a clk input and devides by 16. It looks like fine in the elaborated schematic, but in the implimentation it just kinda disappears from the wiring? any ideas?
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19:14:21 <Halcyon1> Evening
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19:17:46 <steve30> hi Halcyon
19:17:53 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
19:19:25 <steve30> looks a bit rainy outside
19:20:23 <Halcyon> Its 34C outside
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19:22:13 <steve30> I'll borrow 4 of those celcius from you, then it'll be reasonably comfortable
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19:29:52 <Halcyon> Also known as a vigorous rub down :P
19:30:02 <T3sl4> nah, it's not a full 4C
19:30:10 <Halcyon> Regular rub?
19:30:50 <T3sl4> ...maybe just a dutch rudder
19:31:51 <Halcyon> HAH
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