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01:01:57 <DHess_US> https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/01/19/9b909cf187b5b7c4.mp4
02:09:12 <rust_collector> that is... uhm. something
07:52:49 <DHess_US> I found some context. The term "unusually stupid" comes to mind. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-fuel-theft-casualties/mexico-pipeline-blast-killed-66-people-state-governor-idUSKCN1PD0GY
07:53:28 <DHess_US> Some morons deliberately tapped the line to steal gasoline.
08:16:39 <DL3CE> What unusual about that?
08:34:29 <DHess_US> In Mexico? Probably not much.
08:37:39 <coppice_> when you are illicitly tapping a pipeline, its best not to draw attention to yourselves with a loud bang
08:41:22 <rust_collector> tap... that looks more like they just cut it, lol
08:45:03 <coppice_> a cut doesn't sound like a winning strategy, unless you expect to be able to bring a steady stream of tankers to the site, day and night, to take away what flows out. maybe a tanker broke down, and they had an overflow :-\
08:48:31 <DHess_US> <daniels> new mexican government started cracking down on cartels making a side buck on gasoline sales
08:48:31 <DHess_US> <daniels> the good idea fairy struck, someone spiked a gasoline line
08:48:32 <DHess_US> <daniels> yadda yadda yadda
08:48:32 <DHess_US> <daniels> video hits instagram
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10:28:30 <Halcyon> Morning
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10:29:48 <rust_collector> mooooor-ning
10:34:37 <Halcyon> Need coffee
10:35:03 <rust_collector> always
11:24:35 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
11:24:41 <Halcyon> Heya
11:25:03 <Ampera> how do
11:25:18 <Halcyon> Not too bad, how about you ?
11:25:34 <Ampera> watching the bonfire that is the world, via twitter
11:25:39 <Halcyon> Heh
11:25:42 <Ampera> it's that time of the year again
11:25:45 <Ampera> women's march
11:25:48 <Halcyon> ?
11:26:06 <Ampera> the annual event across at least the US, if not the world where a bunch of people stand holding signs, collectively protesting about who knows
11:26:18 <Ampera> for what reason? nobody really knows that either
11:26:20 <Halcyon> What are they carrying on about this time?
11:29:26 <rust_collector> same as last year
11:29:42 <rust_collector> and probably 2-3 more things
11:30:24 <Halcyon> I don't get this argument for women's rights
11:30:31 <Halcyon> They have the same rights as everyone else
11:30:49 <Halcyon> Their pay is also equal to that of males (at least here it is)
11:31:41 <rust_collector> same here. same same, just that they say it is not true. and I have no way to find out if it is true or not
11:32:25 <coppice_> movements which achieve their goals don't close down job well done. they go off the rails trying to maintain employment for their leaders
11:33:06 <rust_collector> they can not all be engineers?
11:33:30 <rust_collector> no problem? let's make one, so we can fix it
11:34:13 <coppice_> most analyses find the pay differences today are purely due to personal choices
11:35:16 <damian> not so much Halcyon, it really depends on the field
11:35:31 <damian> and you typically find that fields dominated by women are a lower pay than fields dominated by men
11:36:07 <damian> for example, ambos / nurses .. typically womens jobs, some of the lowest paid roles in australia, and some of the jobs that without them people would literally die
11:36:11 <damian> it's kind of silly
11:36:16 <coppice_> most of those fields were lower paid earlier on, when men dominated
11:36:28 <damian> men have never dominated nursing
11:36:37 <damian> ambos maybe
11:37:04 <damian> but they're protesting all of th einjustices, and all around the world as a whole. i agree, australia is a lot better than a lot of other countries, but we still have issues all around
11:37:21 <coppice_> not nursing, but many jobs which used to be dominated by men and now dominated by women, and many of those do not have great pay, like school teachers
11:37:42 <rust_collector> So, I should start a movement, so truck drivers get the same pay as lawyers and such?
11:38:06 <damian> school teachers have fought hard for their pay and it's gradually going up. i'm pretty sure in victoria they're on a plan to success kind of thing, their pays are almost on board iwth the norm and every year there's a stnadard pay increase so after x amount of time they will be right
11:38:45 <damian> teachers are in a pretty good position, because they can actually strike without too much reprocussion, they strike, take days off, parents get pissed, go back to schools and governing bodies, who then fall into demand
11:39:04 <damian> nursing/ambos is fucked, if they strike, people die and none of them want to strike just in case of that
11:39:17 <damian> so they're just just over a barrel waiting for the next ramp up their ass
11:39:19 <coppice_> Tescos in the UK had industrial trouble about unequal pay, but eventually we found they were comparing different jobs - hard physical work in the warehouse, versus an easier time at the checkouts
11:39:59 <damian> yeah, comparing different jobs is another thing.. a lot of women with no qualifications complain that men get higher pay, women are in administrative, men are in labour or whatever .. doesn't make sense
11:40:11 <damian> 2secs, a while ago john green made a pretty good video about that and did the math on america regarding
11:40:23 <damian> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0EYBBl5LI
11:40:53 <coppice_> Uber pays everyone the same. men earn 10% more than women. Men just choose longer hours and shittier jobs
11:41:09 <damian> but i think america is just fucked when it comes to most things, they are probably some of the worst
11:41:20 <DHess_US> I don't hear them complaining about other inequalities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HL0wiK4Zc
11:42:36 <damian> now that's a good video
11:42:56 <coppice_> 51% of US STEM students are now women, and they are still introducing new schemes to increase this
11:43:00 <coppice_> 52%
11:43:07 <coppice_> 52% of UK
11:43:08 <damian> i can see aliens watching this and going 'fuck, men die more, commit suicide more, are more homeless.. women must rule the world and be better!'
11:44:04 <Ampera> ah, sorry, I seem to have caused an explosion
11:44:13 <rust_collector> what is this STEM?
11:44:13 <Ampera> What are they going on about? Nobody really knows.
11:44:20 <coppice_> eat less beans
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11:44:33 <Ampera> Basically if it's a problem to someone somewhere in the world, there's a sign about it at the women's march
11:44:54 <Ampera> along with a person who has no idea about the problem carrying it
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11:49:27 <damian> in a lot of cases, yeah
11:49:39 <damian> you know humans, they get ramped up about the problem, not the solution, or the root of the cause
11:49:43 <damian> silly, pesky humans
11:51:09 <damian> [11:44:13am] (rust_collector) what is this STEM?
11:51:37 <damian> STEM are the major umm .. smart things of the world
11:51:51 <damian> science, technology, engineering, mathematics
11:52:11 <rust_collector> oh, well, nothing to do with me then. good good
11:52:15 <damian> yeah
11:53:47 <rust_collector> thanks for that. now my brain is full, and I should go to bed, and either store that info, or delete it
11:56:02 <Halcyon> I wonder if I can activate 2 copies of Windows 7 on the same network...
11:56:40 <Ampera> Using the same key?
11:56:42 <Halcyon> *nod*
11:56:47 <Halcyon> I shall try...
11:56:48 <Ampera> Unless it's a multiple activation key, no
11:56:53 <Halcyon> It's not
11:56:58 <Ampera> also why are you using windows?
11:57:01 <Ampera> ya cretin
11:57:02 <Halcyon> In a VM
11:57:14 <Ampera> you can activate one and then duplicate the VM
11:57:19 <Ampera> ususally when you do that it stays active
12:03:38 <Halcyon> Hmm seems to be working fine
12:03:57 <Ampera> well
12:03:59 <Ampera> eat shit then
12:04:12 <Halcyon> I'm guessing Microsoft don't care anymore?
12:04:29 <Ampera> either they do, something fucked up, something's different with Windows 7
12:04:30 <Ampera> idk
12:05:27 <Halcyon> I think you automatically get a certain number of activations per year before you have to phone up for their activation code
12:43:25 <damian> it's total
12:44:07 <damian> all of microsoft licensing is a honor based system now
12:44:57 <Ampera> makes sense if true
12:45:03 <damian> with licensing, depending on the version, you generally get ten reinstallations and then it'll complain at you .. but you can just call up microsoft and tell them that you run it on a development system that gets wiped a lot and voila
12:45:07 <damian> they reset
12:45:20 <Ampera> There's basically no way in hell Microsoft could actually secure a product like Windows anyways.
12:45:35 <Ampera> I wouldn't be surprised if Windows becomes free for consumers (not OEMs) anyways.
12:47:40 <damian> i don't know if they would ever push it out free unless they did it to everything besides VLK, and if they did it would only be Home
12:48:28 <damian> it would be so hard to do it, because their genuine guys like hp/acer/dell would suffer, which would cause backlash
12:48:50 <Ampera> damian, that's what I just said
12:49:18 <Ampera> but regardless, I think Microsoft might be starting to feel the heat of more and more power users moving to Linux.
12:49:33 <damian> you said you wouldnt be suprised if it becomes free except for oem
12:49:50 <Ampera> which includes volume licensing, does it not?
12:49:55 <damian> nah, wrong way around
12:50:00 <damian> VLK is explicitly not OEM
12:50:02 <Ampera> nani?
12:50:16 <Ampera> I thought VLK was something OEMs did, in that they just bought a shit ton of keys
12:50:38 <damian> not quite. it works kind of different for the big guys because they are special and huge
12:50:54 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:51:11 <damian> but OEM is one key one computer, only with a new computer .. whether it be a retail pack or included iwth a branded machine
12:51:41 <damian> so that's where the consumer keys come in
12:51:46 <Ampera> well I had basically meant for, put it on your own machine that doesn't have Windows anyways
12:51:49 <damian> and VLK is the business world
12:51:54 <Ampera> because a lot of people just steal Windows
12:51:59 <damian> yeah, i get'cha now
12:52:08 <coppice_> VLK is something MNCs use
12:52:14 <damian> mncs?
12:52:23 <Ampera> coppice_, do I know you from somewhere?
12:52:25 <coppice_> multi national corporations
12:52:31 <damian> yeah
12:52:37 <Ampera> I swear I know you from another IRC channel
12:52:48 <coppice_> is it one called eevblog?
12:53:00 <Ampera> yeah, but this is EEVBlog
12:53:09 <Ampera> must be the fan group on AfterNET
12:53:45 <damian> basically if you're rolling out a company Windows image to computers, you have to use a VLK .. it's against terms of service to image and pack home/pro unless you're an OEM vendor
12:53:58 <damian> so all businesses greater than a hundred or so computers generally go VLK
12:54:12 <damian> pricing is a sonovabitch though!
12:54:50 <Ampera> This is one thing I love about Linux, I don't have to give a shit about licensing most of the time
12:54:51 <damian> but hey, there's workarounds, if you technically dont touch the windows image and roll it out as-is, you can push out OEM, then use GPO/install scripts to do the rest of your configuration with the deployment toolkit
12:54:58 <damian> yeah, one great thing about linux!
12:55:21 <damian> that's why i build linux VM's at work, just so i dont have to worry about licensing, but some you just have to use windows for
12:55:28 <damian> out of our 32 servers, only 4 are linux
12:55:30 <Ampera> no license keys, no auth servers, no barring you against modifying parts of the OS
12:56:00 <damian> but you also don't get genuine one-on-one support, unless you pay for it extra
12:56:05 <Ampera> Personally for an enterprise world, I like FreeBSD better, but Linux I like for client machines and stuff that isn't mission critical
12:56:14 <damian> and that's why linux will never be a desktop OS in the business world imo
12:56:46 <Ampera> If Windows keeps pissing off enough people, I think something will give at some point.
12:56:47 <damian> a technician comes up against a problem he doesnt know, uses all of his resources, he can always call microsoft if the product is licensed and they will generally fix it .. or almost die trying
12:57:10 <damian> linux you can research, ask forums, ask chat mediums, but at the end of the day there's no guarantee anyone will respond
12:57:25 <damian> and when it impacts a few computers where users cant work for a few hours a day, the dollars start racking up
12:57:42 <Ampera> Yeah, but there's people who still do that, and have more closed off platforms that they directly support, like RedHat and Ubuntu.
12:57:47 <damian> i don't think so, not unless there's another proper viable option out there with the application support and OS support from the vendor
12:58:00 <damian> Mac is obviously coming through faster and faster, but the application support is what's holding them back
12:58:05 <Ampera> also RedHet is big blue now, so maybe that will have an effect.
12:58:21 <damian> RDS is a good alternative to that. user does 95% of their work on MacOS and the 5% that requires Windows they use RDS .. but that's also very expensive
12:58:52 <damian> redhat is one of the few alternatives now yeah? because it's a paid OS, you get support and everything with it .. but i don't think it's a desktop OS anymore
12:59:02 <damian> it's been a long time since i've used / looked into it
12:59:17 <damian> redhat was the first non-microsoft OS i ever used :~)
12:59:46 <Ampera> RedHat is still Linux, though, and has all of the ecosystem and benefits that come with a Linux machine
12:59:54 <damian> yeah
13:00:12 <Ampera> like often native interaction with the big dick systems in the back closet that are almost all Linux or BSD now
13:00:23 <damian> back in 1999 or so it was good. i remember ordering a CD for free from the interwebs, so crazy
13:00:29 <damian> 'wtf, people just send you their software FOR FREE?!@?!?!?'
13:00:41 <damian> took maybe six or seven weeks to make it to me from the US though
13:00:57 <Ampera> but tbh, if I had to pick between Windows or OS/X sticking around, I'd take OS/X, simply because it's Unix
13:01:14 <damian> yeah apparently so
13:01:22 <T3sl4> ofc you like it, you're a eunuchs
13:01:25 <coppice_> oh, the good old days when various people were forced to remove linux from their machines because they hadn't paid for it
13:01:36 <damian> i mean, i know it's been niux based for years, but i only found out the other day that it's an OFFICIAL unix creed
13:01:50 <Ampera> damian, it's been official Unix since before it was OS/X
13:02:46 <Ampera> There are even some distros of Linux that are officially Unix
13:03:06 <coppice_> Its weird that they consider it official Unix, when it doesn't even have a Unix kernel
13:03:09 <damian> nah
13:03:14 <damian> only 10.5+ is unix certified
13:03:25 <Ampera> damian, NeXTSTEP
13:03:52 <Ampera> although was NeXTSTEP Unix certified?
13:04:01 <damian> doubtful
13:04:09 <damian> back then i doubt there was a unix certification like that tbh
13:04:22 * T3sl4 certifies Ampera
13:04:32 <damian> not in public, god
13:04:37 <Ampera> interesting
13:04:43 <T3sl4> though about what, i cannot certify
13:05:35 <damian> ok time to go shpoping. catch y'all later
13:05:48 <T3sl4> shapoppie!
13:12:42 <coppice_> Windows 10 version 1809 was broken, so to replace it they are now pushing version 1809. Something doesn't seem quite right there
13:13:23 <T3sl4> "Something doesn't seem quite right there" <-- Windows 10?
13:13:34 <DHess_US> I am shocked, SHOCKED!
13:23:15 <T3sl4> well, not that shocked.
13:23:29 <damian> haha yeah, microsoft are kind of weird like that
13:23:59 <damian> 1809 is the release version, but not the release .. build?
13:24:16 <damian> so it doesn't actually have to change if there are version changes inside of it
13:27:03 <damian> i guess you could say it's more like windows 7 / 8 / 10 than it is just a build
13:27:21 <damian> so version is actually 10.0.17763.* where * is the different builds
13:36:01 <DHess_US> It's more of a guildline than a build or version.
13:36:08 <DHess_US> guideline
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22:05:15 <Halcyon> Having some connection issues there Tim?
22:07:11 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwhvFLHIlBs
22:07:34 <Halcyon> Heh
22:07:36 <Halcyon> Hey ThunderSqueak
22:07:41 <ThunderSqueak> hi :D
22:07:46 <Halcyon> What's doing?
22:08:20 <ThunderSqueak> just awake when I should be sleeping, so listening to random music
22:08:28 <ThunderSqueak> that one made me chuckle
22:08:35 <Halcyon> Yeh I'm going to head to bed shortly
22:08:39 <Halcyon> Had a few late nights
22:08:45 <ThunderSqueak> its the kitties in the video
22:08:46 <ThunderSqueak> :D
22:09:51 * steve30 purrs at Halcyon
22:10:06 * Halcyon scratches Steve's head
22:10:13 <steve30> :)
22:10:21 * ThunderSqueak sings with
22:11:37 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayB-ir-NHb4&list=RDrwhvFLHIlBs&index=2
22:11:53 <ThunderSqueak> yes, I am watching grown men play famous songs on "toy" guitars :P
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