// #d&d — 2015-07-31
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00:34:57 <Avatar> the noise is just the beginning
00:35:14 <Avatar> there's also the culture of cheaters, munchkin gamers and dodgy GMs
01:12:55 <Avatar> finally off to australia are you
01:43:19 <Steven1> nope
01:43:44 <Avatar> Feather fall says "upon landing you take no damage"
01:43:44 <Avatar> Would that still apply if you landed in lava or on spikes?
01:43:52 <Avatar> and here I was thinking I'd heard it all
01:49:06 <Lintor> hey guys how do conditional full bab characters and pre reqs like power attack work
01:49:43 <Lintor> like can monk take power attack at level 1 and have it only work when he flurrys?
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02:04:09 <Mekkis> Ummm....
02:06:09 <Avatar> yes
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02:36:41 <Lintor> happy birf day avatar
02:37:53 <Avatar> thx yo
02:39:19 <Lintor> good day?
02:39:32 <s_gmusic> I think it's "no" because you don't always have full BAB, you go by the one that's printed on the class level chart for feat pre-reqs.
02:42:54 <Avatar> short day
02:42:58 <Avatar> woke up at around 11.30
02:43:07 <Avatar> not sure what happened to the past 5 hours
03:16:19 <Brunius> Mekkis: Any idea when the next WotW will be?
03:18:02 <Mekkis> I've pencilled in 9th of August, but kapow's unable to commit yet. I'll keep you informed
03:20:10 <diebot> Features coming soon: ACG Spells, !scroll should stop complaining.
03:49:55 <Avatar> ARG errata came out
03:50:00 <Avatar> lots of upset people
03:50:20 <Avatar> basically thanks to the nerfed retraining rules
03:59:31 <Lintor> i 100% cannot make the 9th
04:01:44 <Mekkis> !findchar Jager
04:01:55 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Jager. number: 208( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=208 )
04:02:39 <Avatar> s_g is right
04:17:00 <ProfessionalVictim> Ballig <3
04:26:49 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: 7pm Friday 24th || AEST (UTC+10:00) || Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
04:26:49 Topic for #d&d set by Mekkis at Fri Jul 10 22:12:33 2015
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04:43:26 <s_gmusic> well I don't hear that often. :/
04:45:30 <Avatar> :/
04:57:58 <Brunius> :\
05:16:56 <Mekkis> Someone loves Ballig
05:17:59 <Konstantinos> Hello
05:19:10 <Avatar> yo
05:19:43 <Konstantinos> So... I just want to double check because I can't believe in actually exists... but this is an active, Australian, online Pathfinder group?
05:22:48 <Avatar> kapow got zlined
05:27:39 <Lintor> mekkis i can maybe do the 8th but no way i can do the 9th my nephews first birthday party is on
05:28:48 <Brunius> that's wierd
05:28:54 <Brunius> or
05:28:54 <Brunius> wait
05:29:09 <Brunius> he uses one of those online bouncers doesn't he?
05:29:30 <Avatar> maybe he was breaking some rules
05:29:34 <Konstantinos> Still there?
05:29:46 <Avatar> causing trouble and more of that ilk
05:30:44 <Brunius> my logs indicate he uses irccloud
05:31:01 <Brunius> So some spammer has been using irccloud, got it Z-lined, then moved on
05:32:15 <Avatar> some spammer named kapow
05:33:53 <Proquar> Hello
05:46:30 <Mekkis> !hp 5d8m2
05:46:31 <diebot> Mekkis, 38
05:47:35 <Avatar> the birthday party will have to be postponed !!
05:51:47 <Lintor> yes its is
05:52:36 <Lintor> been a bit slow for a little bit, but yeah aussies with the occasional US and other region members
06:08:06 <Konstantinos> Awesome
06:08:21 <Konstantinos> Is there anywhere that I need to apply for a character?
06:08:32 <Konstantinos> Or do I just do up a sheet and hop on here to find a game?
06:17:02 <Avatar> have you played pathfinder society
06:21:18 <Konstantinos> No, I've played normal pathfinder though.
06:23:08 <Avatar> go through this: http://pathfindersocietyonline.com/gettingstarted/
06:28:47 <Konstantinos> Ok, I'll do that.
06:38:27 <Proquar> see y'all next year - hope you had/have a good one avatar :D
06:57:54 <Mekkis> http://bronnycopter.com/
07:09:01 <Konstantinos> So once I have a character registered with Paizo, I'm good to go?
07:13:54 <Avatar> yep
07:13:57 <Avatar> roll up a character !!
07:14:13 <Avatar> where are you located
07:18:43 <Konstantinos> Sweet. Reading through the PFS guide now.
07:18:50 <Konstantinos> Canberra. You?
07:23:27 <Konstantinos> Can you help me with this rule? Just looking at the steps to creating a character, and it says any core race, kitsune, nagaji, tengu and wayang are allowed, but other races are not legal unless the character's Chronicle stack includes a race boon.
07:23:33 <Konstantinos> What is the Chronicle stack?
07:23:46 <Konstantinos> I was hoping to play a Drow character.
07:26:37 <Avatar`> you can't play a drow in pathfinder society
07:26:58 <Avatar`> it's a good/neutral aligned campaign, drow is considered evil
07:27:18 <Avatar`> there's a few exceptions for races that are in the guide under character creation
07:27:40 <Avatar`> you get a chronicle sheet at the end of each "scenario" you play
07:27:57 <Avatar`> those are your rewards, which sometimes include a boon like unlocking a race for another character
07:28:15 <Avatar`> or if you attend cons, you can pick up chronicles which are just boons
07:28:34 <Avatar`> I'm in melbourne
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07:28:54 <Lintor> and am i glad i didnt rebuild my warpriest how i was going to or i would have made a huge mistake with the slashing grace changes
07:29:22 <Konstantinos> Yeah, I have a lawful neutral Drow monk I have already created, but never got to play. That's cool though, I will come up with another one.
07:29:51 <Konstantinos> Interesting concept that, getting rewards.
07:30:10 <Avatar`> rewards aren't really split up
07:30:10 <Konstantinos> Ah, nice. I like Melbourne.
07:30:38 <Avatar`> if you find a +2 longsword at the end, you hand it into your bosses at the society, and then all of you can "buy" it from them
07:30:56 <Konstantinos> Oh I see.
07:31:01 <Avatar`> items on the chronicle sheets turn that item into an "always available" item, which is explained in the guide
07:31:19 <Konstantinos> It doesn't mention anything about archetypes. Are there any restrictions on them?
07:32:12 <Avatar`> any options in books that aren't the core rulebook are on the Additional Resources page
07:32:18 <Avatar`> that's mentioned in there somewhere
07:32:53 <Konstantinos> Oh right... and so to be able to legally use that archetype you'd have to own the additional resources booklet that covers it?
07:32:55 <Avatar`> most of the links you need are here: http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/playerResources
07:33:14 <Avatar`> you need to own the book, and it has to be on the additional resources list
07:34:02 <Avatar`> most options in the main books are supported
07:34:14 <Avatar`> APG, UC, UM, UE
07:34:14 <Konstantinos> Man... that's really confusing. A list of the permitted archetypes would be useful. Haha
07:34:24 <Avatar`> that's what the additional resources page is
07:34:36 <Avatar`> what archetype are you thinking of
07:34:55 <Mekkis> what were you about to do?
07:36:34 <Konstantinos> It doesn't list them by name though, just says that the ones on pg. X to pg. Y are legal etc.
07:37:18 <Konstantinos> Not sure... I generally decide on a class by looking over the various classes/archetypes until one clicks into place with the character I'm imagining.
07:39:45 <Mekkis> it's great. Now clerics actually have a chance at being better healers than oracles!
07:43:57 <Konstantinos> Well, I'll delve into it more later. Off to bed for now. Thanks for your help!
07:50:32 <Mekkis> !hp 5d8m2+1d8m1
07:50:33 <diebot> Mekkis, 44
07:50:33 <Avatar> that's the last we'll see of him
07:59:07 <Mekkis> hey Lintor, Avatar...
07:59:37 <Mekkis> What do you think about Vortex Spells (shaman hex), in combination with Spiritual Weapon?
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08:18:08 <Avatar> I can't work out my own shaman
08:19:51 <Avatar> what do you want to know about it
08:19:55 <Avatar> whether it works or whether it's good
08:28:11 <Steven1> hey hey.
08:28:34 <Steven1> Andrew is very nice in person
08:28:46 <Steven1> I've never sat down at his table for a game.
08:29:13 <Mekkis> the latter
08:29:43 <Steven1> so i cant comment on his table manner
08:29:48 <Mekkis> basically, if you have a deity with a high-crit weapon, you can get a fair amount of crits with spiritual weapon
08:30:01 <Mekkis> Not sure if Staggered is a good enough condition to care about though
08:44:38 <Avatar> before eyes of the ten, I haven't played since conquest
08:46:42 <Mekkis> Steven1, he comes across as a very uncompromising person
08:47:00 <Steven1> a lot of people act differently on the internet
08:47:32 <Mekkis> I know
08:47:37 <Avatar> <?staggered
08:47:37 <diebot> A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions. A creature with nonlethal damage exactly equal to its current hit points gains the staggered condition.
08:47:47 <Avatar> yeah staggered is great
08:47:59 <Avatar> that will save lives
08:49:31 <Steven1> im just saying he is a very nice guy in person.
08:49:32 <Mekkis> but is a 30% each round to impose that condition Worth It?
08:53:07 <Avatar> what is 30% sorry
08:54:35 <Mekkis> the chance of actually getting a crit
08:54:45 <Mekkis> I think it's a bit lower than that
08:54:51 <Mekkis> but it's in that ballpark
08:54:53 <Mekkis> ?guide
08:54:54 <diebot> Mekkis, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
08:55:42 <Mekkis> Oh, they've renamed it
09:00:14 <Mekkis> And WOW. They have really fucked people over.
09:03:12 <Avatar> what part are you looking at
09:10:07 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2snsk?petition-to-allow-more-free-rebuild-options#3
09:11:09 <Mekkis> (p29 in the new guide, if you want to read it directly)
09:13:19 <Avatar> I did read it
09:13:28 <Avatar> that's the first thing I looked at because I was so sure they'd miss it again
09:14:38 <Mekkis> looks like there is no way in hell I'll become a VO :0
09:17:17 <Mekkis> time to work out how to define 'ability-score-dependent'. There are probably enough loopholes there.
09:17:34 <Mekkis> Find me a class feature that isn't ability-score-dependent.
09:20:52 <Lintor> 30% to stagger is good enough builds recommend slow as a spell and without jank its prob lower
09:21:00 <Avatar> I guess things like the flight hex ?
09:21:13 <Mekkis> flight hex? Hmmm.
09:22:26 <Mekkis> Flight hex isn't a class feature. Hex is, and its save is determined by intelligence. Thus, if Flight Hex changes, you can rebuild your character.
09:23:09 <Avatar> there's no save for using the flight hex
09:23:48 <Mekkis> Sure. But a change to flight hex is a change to the Hex class feature - which IS ability-score-dependent
09:24:12 <Avatar> but it's not a change to that hex
09:24:30 <Mekkis> has the Hex class feature changed?
09:24:51 <Avatar> yes but it's not ability score dependent
09:24:58 <Avatar> not in that context
09:25:07 <Avatar> you can't just pretend it doesn't exist
09:25:19 <Mekkis> I'm a programmer. I'm paid to do that.
09:25:31 <Avatar> ????????????????
09:26:35 <Mekkis> A change to flight hex would change the options that can be chosen as part of the hex class feature
09:26:44 <Mekkis> ARG?
09:27:21 <Avatar> mate I would be looking for loopholes on these rebuilds options after what they did in previous seasons, but that one doesn't fly
09:27:40 <Avatar> I'm sure there are still a lot more options that are ability score dependent though
09:28:08 <Mekkis> (also: aren't you allowed to make a save against your own spell?)
09:28:41 <Mekkis> So the flight hex _does_ have a save, except 100% of the time you're going to voluntarily fail it.
09:30:46 <Avatar> listen to how ridiculous you sound
09:31:03 <Mekkis> I know it sounds ridiculous
09:31:15 <Avatar> the rule worked before because the nonsense of it was on paizo's part
09:31:23 <Avatar> this is you making up nonsense now
09:32:55 <Mekkis> Look, if it's a choice between bringing up this loophole, and forcing a player to play a character that doesn't work and they're not happy with, I'll bring up the loophole every time.
09:34:01 <Avatar> everyone else will call that player a cheater
09:34:06 <Avatar> whether they still play or not after that is up to them
09:34:13 <Avatar> can't do much about it either way
09:34:43 <Mekkis> everyone else? Bullshit. When's the last time one of your retrains has been looked at by anyone?
09:35:23 <Avatar> it matters that I've looked at it
09:35:34 <Avatar> I know if I'm cheating or not
09:35:38 <Mekkis> have you ever looked at anyone else's retrains?
09:36:16 <Avatar> if I'm cheating, it's my problem
09:36:20 <Avatar> it doesn't matter if I'm caught or not
09:36:36 <Mekkis> sure
09:36:40 <Avatar> you can retrain completely disregarding any rules in the guide if you want
09:36:53 <Mekkis> Maybe we should bring Mort the lawyer in to solve this
09:38:02 <Mekkis> this isn't disregarding the rules in the guide
09:39:44 <Avatar> do what you like
09:41:31 <Mekkis> At least they've fixed the issue with Crane Style
09:43:34 <Lintor> what issue
10:33:09 <Proquar> Skype said I should pop on and send b'day greetz to Avatar
10:33:12 <Proquar> :)
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10:59:01 <Mekkis> yo
11:01:42 <Steven1> dont do it, its a trap
11:13:38 <Proquar> good point!
11:13:56 * Proquar walks into traps all the time
11:14:46 <Proquar> g'night
12:38:25 <Avatar> thx proquar
12:49:29 <mib_drg896> anyone here?
12:49:31 <mib_drg896> okay bye
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13:26:26 <Mekkis> Don't do it
13:26:48 <Lintor> it has a plushie owlbear
13:29:56 <s_gmusic> heh
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15:46:04 <Lintor> hey guys how do conditional full bab characters and pre reqs like power attack work
15:46:40 <Lintor> like can monk take power attack at level 1 and have it only work when he flurrys?
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16:01:06 <Mekkis> Ummm....
16:36:31 <s_gmusic> I think it's "no" because you don't always have full BAB, you go by the one that's printed on the class level chart for feat pre-reqs.
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17:13:18 <Brunius> Mekkis: Any idea when the next WotW will be?
17:15:01 <Mekkis> I've pencilled in 9th of August, but kapow's unable to commit yet. I'll keep you informed
17:17:09 <diebot> Features coming soon: ACG Spells, !scroll should stop complaining.
17:23:01 <Avatar> advanced race guide
17:44:05 <Mekkis> it's great. Now clerics actually have a chance at being better healers than oracles!
18:18:53 <Avatar> I thought you just had to be a life oracle to be a better healer
18:18:56 <Avatar> do you have to optimise it as well
19:22:26 <MekkisScreen> Don't know if you have to optimise it, but the fact that you can is not always a good thing
19:47:20 <s_gmusic> yo pplz
19:47:41 <Avatar> new PFS guide is out
19:47:53 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
19:59:19 <Avatar> can't do easy rebuilds anymore, says p29
20:11:02 <Avatar> er, I can't find the original rule?
20:11:56 <Avatar> wait, yes I can
20:12:43 <Avatar> changed to "If an ability-score-dependent feature of a class, prestige class or archetype is altered...."
20:59:33 <Steven1> what the hell... i cant kill the other steven
21:01:45 <Steven> there we go
21:02:03 <Mekkis> yo
21:10:32 <s_gmusic> so what's the word on Occult?
21:19:33 <Steven1> laundry done... now i just gotta pack my bag and im good to go.
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21:21:56 <Mekkis> hmmm
21:21:57 <Mekkis> okay
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21:51:11 <Avatar> I'm glad you agree
22:26:26 <Steven> so what up avatar.... you know in 13 hrs i'll be boarding a plane to gencon...
22:26:33 <Steven> you should come next year avatar.
22:27:03 <Avatar> mate the more I learn about gencon the less I want to go
22:27:48 <Mekkis> yep
22:34:24 <Mekkis> Is it considered petty to direct the thermal vents of my laptop at the chocolates in the hotel minibar?
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22:37:15 <Steven> its actually pretty fun
22:37:47 <Steven> for me its mostly running into people i only get to play with 2 times a year.
22:38:00 <Konstantinos> Hey, anyone awake?
22:38:15 <Steven> naturally, there are some downsides, but hey... that happens at any large gatherings of people
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22:49:57 <Avatar> you play in a big noisy room right
22:50:08 <Avatar> I am used to cons where we play in one table per room
22:50:28 <Avatar> it would be cool to meet a lot of those people I see on the messageboards
22:50:39 <Avatar> for example, Andrew Christian
23:02:01 <Steven> john compton
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23:29:28 <Mekkis> Don't do it
23:29:50 <Lintor> it has a plushie owlbear
23:32:58 <s_gmusic> heh
23:33:27 <Steven> well suppose i should be gettin to bed right about now.
23:34:07 <Steven> seriously avatar, gencon 2016... think about it.
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