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03:59 <wm> ah
04:01 <wm> hello Tashes
08:13 <Relaxer> Then your character isnt being a good pathfinder.  Just because someone isn't being a good pathfinder to you first doesn't negate your responsability the Society to cooperate.  The motto of the society is not "Explore, Cooperate, Report(unless someone does something you dont like then you're totally allowed to be a dick)"
09:04 <Relaxer> Rub their noses in the fact they are a bad pathfinder sure, but dont let them bleed out.
18:08 <Relaxer> booooooooooooored
22:55 <Relaxer> well managed to sell off my dragonmaster outcasts.
23:02 <Relaxer> money in the bank
23:54 <wm> i heard the magic card market is messy right now
29:38 <Relaxer> it is because a new set just came out, so prices are in flux.
42:36 <Relaxer> but i wasnt selling any newer card.
05:47 <s_gmusic> new sets can still screw with older card prices because of trying to figure out if junk things will be relevant or if good things will go bad
06:04 <Steven1> yo
15:27 <s_gmusic> dammit
15:42 <s_gmusic> keep trying to get my character dead in this runelords game
15:47 <s_gmusic> shit ain't happenin'
17:48 <Steven1> its not hard.
18:05 <Steven1> just do something really stupid
18:21 <Steven1> go for a midnight stroll without your armor
29:08 <s_gmusic> while climbing up a cliff, a party member threw a spare rope + grappling hook up around the neck of a large creature to pull the off so they wouldn't set off the alarm. they failed to do pull them down, so continued to climb up normally (and invisible). I took my Fighter 8/Samurai 1 in full plate and heavy shield, grabbed hold of the rope around the neck and specifically stated "I bounce up and 
29:08 <s_gmusic> down the rope to pull them off." We were 5000 feet up the cliff when doing this. Between my dice and the GM, it not only didn't work, but I didn't slip, either, and proceded to get pulled up by the monster.
29:09 <s_gmusic> :|
35:59 <Steven1> why do you wanna die anyways? not having fun with it?
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00:13 <s_gmusic> To a point, yeah. I'm having to crit-fish to keep a moderate amount of melee damage going, compared to the Wizard and Alchemist in the group, which seems to aggravate the GM (I only potentially crit on 15-20 with a katana. at least I'm not doing Rogue crit-fish shenanigans). Alchemist still has almost no clue about what he can or can not do, but is getting a little better (it amazes me that he 
00:13 <s_gmusic> GMs PFS and has decent PFS characters, but is struggling with Alchemist in a Runelords AP). We have That Guy, who tries to play everyone's turns for them, or changes things 10 minutes after they happened, or takes credit for other player's suggestions on actions/diplomacy/etc. There is also That Guy's Fiancee, who doesn't know how to play too well and is content to read a book or do homework 
00:13 <s_gmusic> instead of trying to learn the game (I believe she is a better fit for D&D 5e, less numbers more RP, than 3.5/Pathfinder which is more numbers). We lost our Cleric because of IRL stuff. Our Wizard is okay sitting with me reading or talking about things until one of us sees a chance to actually do something aside from combat or something that That Guy isn't going to control. 
05:29 <Relaxer> suuuuuuuuup
05:41 <Steven1> this thread i fantastic.
24:09 <Relaxer> gonna go play me some PoE
40:28 <Tashes_> http://420.thrashbarg.net/this_thread_delivers_ups_chick_amazon.jpg
40:30 <Tashes_> ?
44:07 <Relaxer> new act came out
46:06 <Lintor> hey is the player consent rule for a table of seven a actual rule or is it just one of those things i have heard bandid about?
48:24 <Steven1> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sfn6?Do-Religious-Tenants-Trump-Cooperation
49:28 <Avatar> is a wand a weapon-like object
50:00 <Avatar> when you say yes, source?
50:10 <Steven1> yeah... source is somewhere.
50:16 <Steven1> think its core rule book.
50:19 <Steven1> i dont remember.
51:42 <Steven1> probably combat
53:24 <Steven1> tashes... those boots are wildly impractical for a full days worth of walking around
55:23 <Tashes_> I can't tell from that image. I used to have some like that which were almost entirely flat. 
59:57 <Avatar> probably the bandid thing
00:09 <Avatar> it's not an actual rule, but I can't tell what your alternative option means
02:13 <Lintor> yeah we have people on a wiat list for a game, not enough for a second table and i don't wanna burn a game on a seven player table even less when the last player on the wait list is someone i avoid gaming with in general
02:45 <Avatar> yeah event organiser's call
03:09 <Avatar> turning someone away is generally a no-no
03:16 <Avatar> for an online game it's easy to enforce
11:45 <Avatar> relaxer that won't hold up at my table
12:00 <Lintor> yeah put my thoughts on the facebook post regarding it. 
12:10 <Lintor> i will prob drop out if they force it
12:13 <Avatar> you would need to bring your core rulebook and open it up for me and point out said rule
16:01 <Avatar> pretty fascinating thread re religious tenets 
16:19 <Steven1> If im ever at your table and draw a wand while moving ill pull out the faq and core.
16:29 <Avatar> mate that is too late
16:35 <Avatar> we don't discuss rule discussions at the table!
16:39 <Avatar> you will have to wait until after the game
16:59 <Steven1> lol, pretty sure that is like 50% of what we do.
17:12 <Avatar> rule discussions? or opting to wait
17:30 <Steven1> rules discussions at the table.
17:38 <Avatar> I am surprised you didn't pick up on the 180 ruling I did
17:46 <Steven1> damnedable rules lawyering
17:59 <Avatar> damned if you do damned if you don't table variation!
18:12 <Steven1> I am surprised you think i care in any sort of meaningful way.
18:30 <Mekkis> YAY! A sane wand ruling!
18:36 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q6tc&page=3?Drawing-a-wand-on-the-run#102
20:20 <Steven1> but seriously... I rarely play PFS with people who dont have amazing system mastery and so i dont have to explain hardly anything.
21:59 <Steven1> and when i do its mostly people brand new to the game so i let a lot of shit slide.
24:34 <Avatar> mate you want to know how I know you care
24:40 <Avatar> because you are tense steven
24:47 <Avatar> otherwise your nick would be relaxer
24:56 <Avatar> it is like you are in your human guise
25:00 <Avatar> rather than your vigilante guise
25:06 <Avatar> where is the superhero
25:09 <Avatar> bring him to life
25:13 <Avatar> and ...chill
26:23 <Steven1> shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit didnt notice i didnt get brought in as relaxer
30:17 <Relaxer> whatcha guys talkin bout
31:34 <Relaxer> download is half finished... new game so close.
40:05 <Avatar> now you're a superhero
40:47 <Avatar> [17:42] <Lintor> hey is the player consent rule for a table of seven a actual rule or is it just one of those things i have heard bandid about?
48:26 <Relaxer> im asking what player consent rule is.
51:36 <Avatar> I assumed he meant do you need everyone's consent to allow a 7th player at the table
52:16 <Relaxer> nah...
52:23 <Relaxer> I'd make a horrible superhero
53:27 <Relaxer> Never heard of that.  I know some people don't like playing at 7 player tables but i've never heard of a rule that states you have to get permission to do so.
53:35 <Relaxer> I'd be more like rorschach
05:48 <Mekkis> I thought failing to provide aid was not PvP
06:06 <Mekkis> and to be fair, I would probably do the same.
08:56 <Avatar> has anyone defined what a weapon-like object is
08:59 <Avatar> yet
09:25 <Avatar> I can't be the only one who will expect some table variation on common items there
25:34 <Mekkis> !spell animate dead
25:37 <diebot> Mekkis, ANIMATE DEAD necromancy ([evil]) cleric/oracle 3, sorcerer/wizard 4, antipaladin 3, shaman 3 1 standard action Range: touch one or more corpses touched Comp: V, S, M (an onyx gem worth at least 25 gp per Hit Die of the undead) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
25:38 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/animate_dead.html
25:45 <Mekkis> !spell animate dead, lesser
25:46 <diebot> Mekkis, ANIMATE DEAD, LESSER necromancy ([evil]) cleric/oracle 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, shaman 2 1 standard action Range: touch one corpse Comp: V, S, M (an onyx gem worth at least 25 gp per Hit Die of the undead) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: Ultimate Magic
25:46 <diebot> This spell functions as animate dead, except you can only create a single Small or Medium skeleton or zombie. You cannot create variant skeletons or zombies with this spell.
43:33 <Relaxer> theres a significant difference between not providing aid in a combat situation where you have other things to do like kill enemies and such
44:23 <Relaxer> and then there is watching a person die and not doing anything about it.
45:40 <Relaxer> speaking practically, he refused to spend 15g off of a wand/make a free heal check to stabalize and cost the player 7K+ gold to get raise dead and two restorations.
46:54 <Relaxer> and thats a pretty dicky thing to do.
50:37 <Relaxer> Its like a paladin watching another character cast Protection from Good and then the paladin watches as the character bleeds out a couple rounds later.
50:57 <Relaxer> or even infernal healing
07:59 <Relaxer> I want a donut.
08:03 <Relaxer> I'm going to go get a donut.
31:17 <Mekkis> Are you serious, Relaxer?
54:32 <Relaxer> yes.  i went to go get a donut.
54:51 <Relaxer> Its a Maple Donut.
55:30 <Mekkis> I meant your previous statements
55:47 <Relaxer> Yes.  I am.  The whole situation is dumb in the extreme.
57:03 <Mekkis> If a necromancer, upon finding out that he's adventuring with an inquisitor of Pharasma, who has made it clear that he doesn't appreciate the creation of undead, proceeds to prepare and cast Lesser Animate Dead, he deserves everything that comes out of it.
58:22 <Relaxer> What about if the situation was reversed, What if the necromancer was standing at the end of the scenario and refused to heal the inquisitor because he wants another corpse to animate?
58:47 <Mekkis> has the inquisitor gone out of his way to troll the necromancer?
59:32 <Relaxer> according to the OP they were both antagonistic toward each other before the whole situation.
59:46 <Mekkis> really? It seemed pretty one-sided
00:10 <Relaxer> you gotta read the whole like 170 post thread.
00:35 <Relaxer> its sprinkled in all throughout the thread... horribly presented.
00:36 <Mekkis> I did
01:55 <Mekkis> The inquisitor was already compromising himself after the corpse was animated
02:59 <Relaxer> the necromancer compromised by not casting animate spells, and then obviously something changed.
03:26 <Relaxer> mmmmmmmmm donut
20:44 <Mekkis> he shouldn't have prepared it to start with.
23:08 <Relaxer> there was a quote.
23:35 <Relaxer> from the fox that i favorited
23:38 <Relaxer> "It's what my character would do" is the one of the worst excuses to play in a way that makes the game less fun for other players at the table.
23:38 <Relaxer> There were multiple instances of that in this story.
25:11 <Relaxer> in more positive news.
25:19 <Relaxer> I'm getting to go to Pax Prime again.
26:12 <Avatar> Mekkis: it breaks the don't be a jerk rule
26:19 <Avatar> "it's what my character would do" isn't an excuse
26:27 <Avatar> that kind of trumps everything
26:39 <Avatar> it was otherwise good roleplay on his part
26:46 <Avatar> if you ignore that
27:09 <Avatar> it would have been a better solution to heal him at the last second, if he knew when he was going to die
27:54 <Avatar> a good GM should allow the inquisitor to say "I heal him, but only at the last moment before he dies"
28:08 <Avatar> without risk that the character will actually die, even if he can't do a heal check
29:23 <Relaxer> if that happened to me, my necromancer would have 'seen the light' and never brought another creature back... but hey its not us, its two dick bags off in internet land.
30:51 <Avatar> internet land?
30:57 <Avatar> I would normally say that opting to let a pathfinder die without trying to save them is an evil act
31:08 <Avatar> what does the internet have to do with it
31:29 <Avatar> probably even in the pharasman inquisitor case
32:52 <Relaxer> it was posted on the internet
33:03 <Relaxer> so i count them as internet land dickbags
33:30 <Avatar> that's a very generalised accusation
33:36 <Relaxer> thats how i roll
33:47 <Avatar> very stereotypical
33:58 <Avatar> very discriminatory
34:01 <Relaxer> muhahahaahahaha
34:08 <Avatar> alarmingly relaxed about it all
34:33 <Relaxer> If you want i can go change into my vigilante persona
34:54 <Avatar> this is your vigilante persona
35:04 <Relaxer> nah, this is my social persona
35:14 <Avatar> don't know about that
35:20 <Avatar> looks pretty vigilante to me
35:53 <Relaxer> i might be a vigilante archetype that has mutliple personas
36:04 <Avatar> you're trying to tell me clark kent is the vigilante persona
36:27 <Relaxer> technically yes clark kent is the alter ego
40:46 <Mekkis> Relaxer, s_gmusic: Interested in buying any of my cards?
42:06 <Relaxer> I doubt you'd want to sell them to me, I'd buy them as a store buys them.
42:10 <Mekkis> Relaxer, if it were my necromancer, I wouldn't have prepared animate dead if I knew that I was with a Pharasman
42:19 <Lintor> just throwing it out there but the Pharasmin church in the cityh of strangers is well aware of the large amount of necromancers and allows it to avoid direct conflict and because of the good they do. although the have terms so there is a presidence for Pharasmins allowing necromacy for the greater good.
42:34 <Mekkis> Are you saying that you would have?
42:44 <Relaxer> Yeah.
43:35 <Relaxer> Why should my character play around his character's decision, He isnt changing his deity to make playing with me easier.
43:50 <Avatar> maybe he should
44:03 <Avatar> choose your religion or choose your organisation
44:09 <Mekkis> Because you're in the pathfinder society, and you both need to be willing to compromise in order to complete a mission?
44:11 <Avatar> or WALK THE LINE !
44:22 <Avatar> then you run into inquisitors who leave necromancers to die
45:11 <Avatar> how do you handle it if you're the GM
45:38 <Avatar> assume you explain that and the inquisitor doesn't agree, since this one probably didn't
49:49 Ballig has quit (Quit: )
01:28 <Mekkis> Have either of you, Avatar and Relaxer, read Steven Brust's "Dragon"?
03:40 <Mekkis> "Why is everyone so … hmmm. I'm not sure how to say this. I've dealt with Dragons before, and I'm used to, ah, I'm not used to being treated so civilly by them. No offense."
03:41 <Mekkis> Virt smiled. "It's taken some effort," she said.
03:41 <Mekkis> "Why the effort, then?"
03:41 <Mekkis> "I can only speak for myself."
03:41 <Mekkis> "Well?"
03:42 <Mekkis> "We're going to war," she said after a moment. "We're going to be fighting. You'll be fighting next to me. I'd just as soon you didn't have any reason to let me be killed."
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18:01 <Mekkis> Avatar, if I were the GM, and the inquisitor wanted to watch the guy bleed out, I'd allow him to.
18:32 <Mekkis> if the inquisitor wanted to save the necromancer, I'd allow it as well. I don't want to dictate the actions of the PCs like that
29:07 <Mekkis> If you're giving me US$, I might be interested
43:26 <Avatar> if you're giving me swiss francs I might be interested
43:34 <Avatar> for my exotic swiss bank account
43:43 <Avatar> one of my many accounts
43:47 <Avatar> international
44:17 <Avatar> I might also be interested if you wish to pay in bitcoin and/or dogecoin as I farm both regularly
44:37 <Avatar> I am in fact a multi-millionaire with many large investments.
54:44 <Relaxer> I doubt it mekkis, I'd buy to resell which means like 50-60% card value.
21:57 <Avatar> haven't read it, I don't really read
22:15 <Avatar> that passage quoted means very little without context
22:54 <Mekkis> an assassin who's signed up to fight on the front lines is talking to a professional soldier.
24:02 <Avatar> still not very impressive, is there more
24:25 <Mekkis> there is, and it's a good book. But I felt that that passage was the most relevant.
24:50 <Avatar> that passage doesn't sell me
25:19 <Mekkis> If you're going to be depending on other people to keep you alive, you should put a fair amount of effort into not giving them a reason to just letting you die.
27:42 <Avatar> why would they just let you die
27:47 <Avatar> that's not the default option
27:59 <Mekkis> Sure, it's not the default option
28:16 <Mekkis> but at some point, they might antagonise you enough to consider it.
32:10 <Mekkis> Keep in mind that 'fragging' did occur - about 900 times - during the Vietnam war.
44:15 <Mekkis> And to be fair, there are some characters my characters have played with, where they also will refuse to assist.
11:00 <Relaxer> Then your character isnt being a good pathfinder.  Just because someone isn't being a good pathfinder to you first doesn't negate your responsability the Society to cooperate.  The motto of the society is not "Explore, Cooperate, Report(unless someone does something you dont like then you're totally allowed to be a dick)"
11:50 <Relaxer> Rub their noses in the fact they are a bad pathfinder sure, but dont let them bleed out.
33:44 <Avatar> I would normally say that opting to let a pathfinder die without trying to save them is an evil act
34:15 <Avatar> probably even in the pharasman inquisitor case
45:06 <Lintor> just throwing it out there but the Pharasmin church in the cityh of strangers is well aware of the large amount of necromancers and allows it to avoid direct conflict and because of the good they do. although the have terms so there is a presidence for Pharasmins allowing necromacy for the greater good.
47:58 <Avatar> how do you handle it if you're the GM
48:25 <Avatar> assume you explain that and the inquisitor doesn't agree, since this one probably didn't
20:48 <Mekkis> Avatar, if I were the GM, and the inquisitor wanted to watch the guy bleed out, I'd allow him to.
21:19 <Mekkis> if the inquisitor wanted to save the necromancer, I'd allow it as well. I don't want to dictate the actions of the PCs like that
53:51 <Mekkis> !spell ironskin
40:31 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: 7pm Friday 24th || AEST (UTC+10:00) || Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
40:31 Topic for #d&d set by Mekkis at Fri Jul 10 22:15:19 2015
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37:57 <Mekkis> Relaxer, s_gmusic: Interested in buying any of my cards?
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26:19 <Mekkis> If you're giving me US$, I might be interested
57:01 * wm waves
14:43 <Relaxer> what up
16:23 <wm> just found the channel, through the website
16:35 <wm> ive not played before, was going to look at how it works and if im interested
17:29 <wm> wotw == war of the worlds ? watchers of the wall ?
25:29 <Tashes> Heloo stranger! 
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38:48 <Mekkis> Relaxer, I'm currently dealing with people like that here, except that they're offering about 40%
39:14 <Relaxer> crazy.
39:34 <Mekkis> As in, about 50% resale value, assuming 1USD=1AUD
52:18 <Relaxer> way of the wicked
53:03 <Carsh> Yo
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