// #d&d — 2015-07-14
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08:51:05 <Mekkis> !spell ironskin
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17:02:54 <Steven1> this thread i fantastic.
17:37:42 <Tashes_> http://420.thrashbarg.net/this_thread_delivers_ups_chick_amazon.jpg
17:37:44 <Tashes_> ?
17:45:37 <Steven1> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sfn6?Do-Religious-Tenants-Trump-Cooperation
17:46:41 <Avatar> is a wand a weapon-like object
17:47:14 <Avatar> when you say yes, source?
17:47:24 <Steven1> yeah... source is somewhere.
17:47:30 <Steven1> think its core rule book.
17:47:32 <Steven1> i dont remember.
17:48:55 <Steven1> probably combat
17:50:38 <Steven1> tashes... those boots are wildly impractical for a full days worth of walking around
17:52:36 <Tashes_> I can't tell from that image. I used to have some like that which were almost entirely flat.
18:08:58 <Avatar> relaxer that won't hold up at my table
18:09:27 <Avatar> you would need to bring your core rulebook and open it up for me and point out said rule
18:13:15 <Avatar> pretty fascinating thread re religious tenets
18:13:33 <Steven1> If im ever at your table and draw a wand while moving ill pull out the faq and core.
18:13:43 <Avatar> mate that is too late
18:13:48 <Avatar> we don't discuss rule discussions at the table!
18:13:53 <Avatar> you will have to wait until after the game
18:14:12 <Steven1> lol, pretty sure that is like 50% of what we do.
18:14:25 <Avatar> rule discussions? or opting to wait
18:14:44 <Steven1> rules discussions at the table.
18:14:52 <Avatar> I am surprised you didn't pick up on the 180 ruling I did
18:14:59 <Steven1> damnedable rules lawyering
18:15:13 <Avatar> damned if you do damned if you don't table variation!
18:15:25 <Steven1> I am surprised you think i care in any sort of meaningful way.
18:17:33 <Steven1> but seriously... I rarely play PFS with people who dont have amazing system mastery and so i dont have to explain hardly anything.
18:19:13 <Steven1> and when i do its mostly people brand new to the game so i let a lot of shit slide.
18:21:48 <Avatar> mate you want to know how I know you care
18:21:54 <Avatar> because you are tense steven
18:22:00 <Avatar> otherwise your nick would be relaxer
18:22:09 <Avatar> it is like you are in your human guise
18:22:13 <Avatar> rather than your vigilante guise
18:22:20 <Avatar> where is the superhero
18:22:23 <Avatar> bring him to life
18:22:26 <Avatar> and ...chill
18:23:37 <Steven1> shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit didnt notice i didnt get brought in as relaxer
18:23:41 Steven1 is now known as Relaxer
18:28:48 <Relaxer> download is half finished... new game so close.
18:37:19 <Avatar> now you're a superhero
18:49:29 <Relaxer> nah...
18:49:36 <Relaxer> I'd make a horrible superhero
18:50:48 <Relaxer> I'd be more like rorschach
19:03:02 <Mekkis> I thought failing to provide aid was not PvP
19:03:19 <Mekkis> and to be fair, I would probably do the same.
19:22:47 <Mekkis> !spell animate dead
19:22:51 <diebot> Mekkis, ANIMATE DEAD necromancy ([evil]) cleric/oracle 3, sorcerer/wizard 4, antipaladin 3, shaman 3 1 standard action Range: touch one or more corpses touched Comp: V, S, M (an onyx gem worth at least 25 gp per Hit Die of the undead) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
19:22:51 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/animate_dead.html
19:22:58 <Mekkis> !spell animate dead, lesser
19:23:00 <diebot> Mekkis, ANIMATE DEAD, LESSER necromancy ([evil]) cleric/oracle 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, shaman 2 1 standard action Range: touch one corpse Comp: V, S, M (an onyx gem worth at least 25 gp per Hit Die of the undead) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: Ultimate Magic
19:23:00 <diebot> This spell functions as animate dead, except you can only create a single Small or Medium skeleton or zombie. You cannot create variant skeletons or zombies with this spell.
19:40:47 <Relaxer> theres a significant difference between not providing aid in a combat situation where you have other things to do like kill enemies and such
19:41:37 <Relaxer> and then there is watching a person die and not doing anything about it.
19:42:54 <Relaxer> speaking practically, he refused to spend 15g off of a wand/make a free heal check to stabalize and cost the player 7K+ gold to get raise dead and two restorations.
19:44:08 <Relaxer> and thats a pretty dicky thing to do.
19:47:51 <Relaxer> Its like a paladin watching another character cast Protection from Good and then the paladin watches as the character bleeds out a couple rounds later.
19:48:10 <Relaxer> or even infernal healing
20:05:12 <Relaxer> I want a donut.
20:05:16 <Relaxer> I'm going to go get a donut.
20:28:30 <Mekkis> Are you serious, Relaxer?
20:51:46 <Relaxer> yes. i went to go get a donut.
20:52:04 <Relaxer> Its a Maple Donut.
20:52:43 <Mekkis> I meant your previous statements
20:53:01 <Relaxer> Yes. I am. The whole situation is dumb in the extreme.
20:54:16 <Mekkis> If a necromancer, upon finding out that he's adventuring with an inquisitor of Pharasma, who has made it clear that he doesn't appreciate the creation of undead, proceeds to prepare and cast Lesser Animate Dead, he deserves everything that comes out of it.
20:55:36 <Relaxer> What about if the situation was reversed, What if the necromancer was standing at the end of the scenario and refused to heal the inquisitor because he wants another corpse to animate?
20:56:01 <Mekkis> has the inquisitor gone out of his way to troll the necromancer?
20:56:45 <Relaxer> according to the OP they were both antagonistic toward each other before the whole situation.
20:57:00 <Mekkis> really? It seemed pretty one-sided
20:57:24 <Relaxer> you gotta read the whole like 170 post thread.
20:57:48 <Relaxer> its sprinkled in all throughout the thread... horribly presented.
20:57:49 <Mekkis> I did
20:59:08 <Mekkis> The inquisitor was already compromising himself after the corpse was animated
21:00:12 <Relaxer> the necromancer compromised by not casting animate spells, and then obviously something changed.
21:00:39 <Relaxer> mmmmmmmmm donut
21:17:57 <Mekkis> he shouldn't have prepared it to start with.
21:20:22 <Relaxer> there was a quote.
21:20:49 <Relaxer> from the fox that i favorited
21:20:52 <Relaxer> "It's what my character would do" is the one of the worst excuses to play in a way that makes the game less fun for other players at the table.
21:20:52 <Relaxer> There were multiple instances of that in this story.
21:22:25 <Relaxer> in more positive news.
21:22:33 <Relaxer> I'm getting to go to Pax Prime again.
21:23:25 <Avatar> Mekkis: it breaks the don't be a jerk rule
21:23:33 <Avatar> "it's what my character would do" isn't an excuse
21:23:40 <Avatar> that kind of trumps everything
21:23:53 <Avatar> it was otherwise good roleplay on his part
21:24:00 <Avatar> if you ignore that
21:24:23 <Avatar> it would have been a better solution to heal him at the last second, if he knew when he was going to die
21:25:08 <Avatar> a good GM should allow the inquisitor to say "I heal him, but only at the last moment before he dies"
21:25:21 <Avatar> without risk that the character will actually die, even if he can't do a heal check
21:26:37 <Relaxer> if that happened to me, my necromancer would have 'seen the light' and never brought another creature back... but hey its not us, its two dick bags off in internet land.
21:28:05 <Avatar> internet land?
21:28:22 <Avatar> what does the internet have to do with it
21:30:06 <Relaxer> it was posted on the internet
21:30:16 <Relaxer> so i count them as internet land dickbags
21:30:43 <Avatar> that's a very generalised accusation
21:30:49 <Relaxer> thats how i roll
21:31:01 <Avatar> very stereotypical
21:31:12 <Avatar> very discriminatory
21:31:15 <Relaxer> muhahahaahahaha
21:31:22 <Avatar> alarmingly relaxed about it all
21:31:46 <Relaxer> If you want i can go change into my vigilante persona
21:32:07 <Avatar> this is your vigilante persona
21:32:17 <Relaxer> nah, this is my social persona
21:32:28 <Avatar> don't know about that
21:32:34 <Avatar> looks pretty vigilante to me
21:33:06 <Relaxer> i might be a vigilante archetype that has mutliple personas
21:33:17 <Avatar> you're trying to tell me clark kent is the vigilante persona
21:33:40 <Relaxer> technically yes clark kent is the alter ego
21:39:23 <Mekkis> Relaxer, if it were my necromancer, I wouldn't have prepared animate dead if I knew that I was with a Pharasman
21:39:48 <Mekkis> Are you saying that you would have?
21:39:58 <Relaxer> Yeah.
21:40:49 <Relaxer> Why should my character play around his character's decision, He isnt changing his deity to make playing with me easier.
21:41:03 <Avatar> maybe he should
21:41:17 <Avatar> choose your religion or choose your organisation
21:41:22 <Mekkis> Because you're in the pathfinder society, and you both need to be willing to compromise in order to complete a mission?
21:41:25 <Avatar> or WALK THE LINE !
21:41:36 <Avatar> then you run into inquisitors who leave necromancers to die
21:58:41 <Mekkis> Have either of you, Avatar and Relaxer, read Steven Brust's "Dragon"?
22:00:53 <Mekkis> "Why is everyone so … hmmm. I'm not sure how to say this. I've dealt with Dragons before, and I'm used to, ah, I'm not used to being treated so civilly by them. No offense."
22:00:53 <Mekkis> Virt smiled. "It's taken some effort," she said.
22:00:53 <Mekkis> "Why the effort, then?"
22:00:53 <Mekkis> "I can only speak for myself."
22:00:53 <Mekkis> "Well?"
22:00:53 <Mekkis> "We're going to war," she said after a moment. "We're going to be fighting. You'll be fighting next to me. I'd just as soon you didn't have any reason to let me be killed."
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23:19:11 <Avatar> haven't read it, I don't really read
23:19:29 <Avatar> that passage quoted means very little without context
23:20:07 <Mekkis> an assassin who's signed up to fight on the front lines is talking to a professional soldier.
23:21:16 <Avatar> still not very impressive, is there more
23:21:38 <Mekkis> there is, and it's a good book. But I felt that that passage was the most relevant.
23:22:03 <Avatar> that passage doesn't sell me
23:22:32 <Mekkis> If you're going to be depending on other people to keep you alive, you should put a fair amount of effort into not giving them a reason to just letting you die.
23:24:56 <Avatar> why would they just let you die
23:25:00 <Avatar> that's not the default option
23:25:12 <Mekkis> Sure, it's not the default option
23:25:29 <Mekkis> but at some point, they might antagonise you enough to consider it.
23:29:23 <Mekkis> Keep in mind that 'fragging' did occur - about 900 times - during the Vietnam war.
23:41:28 <Mekkis> And to be fair, there are some characters my characters have played with, where they also will refuse to assist.
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