// #d&d — 2015-07-17
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00:03:59 <wm> ah
00:04:01 <wm> hello Tashes
00:18:08 <Relaxer> booooooooooooored
00:22:55 <Relaxer> well managed to sell off my dragonmaster outcasts.
00:23:02 <Relaxer> money in the bank
00:23:54 <wm> i heard the magic card market is messy right now
00:29:38 <Relaxer> it is because a new set just came out, so prices are in flux.
00:42:36 <Relaxer> but i wasnt selling any newer card.
00:56:19 Relaxer has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
01:05:47 <s_gmusic> new sets can still screw with older card prices because of trying to figure out if junk things will be relevant or if good things will go bad
02:06:59 <s_gmusic> http://i.imgur.com/yeiJ2h6.png
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03:38:55 <Avatar> airport security?
03:39:06 <Relaxer> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
03:39:37 <Avatar> sup
03:46:06 <Lintor> hey is the player consent rule for a table of seven a actual rule or is it just one of those things i have heard bandid about?
03:48:02 <Relaxer> Watchin a tv show
03:48:09 <Relaxer> eatin some dark chocolate
03:48:48 <Relaxer> drinkin some coffee
03:49:39 <Relaxer> tryin to reduce this headache a bit
03:59:57 <Avatar> probably the bandid thing
04:00:09 <Avatar> it's not an actual rule, but I can't tell what your alternative option means
04:02:13 <Lintor> yeah we have people on a wiat list for a game, not enough for a second table and i don't wanna burn a game on a seven player table even less when the last player on the wait list is someone i avoid gaming with in general
04:02:45 <Avatar> yeah event organiser's call
04:03:09 <Avatar> turning someone away is generally a no-no
04:03:16 <Avatar> for an online game it's easy to enforce
04:06:15 <Avatar> reduce it by relaxin
04:10:15 <Relaxer> thats why it hasnt gotten any worse
04:12:00 <Lintor> yeah put my thoughts on the facebook post regarding it.
04:12:10 <Lintor> i will prob drop out if they force it
04:17:46 <Steven1> damnedable rules lawyering
04:17:59 <Avatar> damned if you do damned if you don't table variation!
04:18:12 <Steven1> I am surprised you think i care in any sort of meaningful way.
04:20:20 <Steven1> but seriously... I rarely play PFS with people who dont have amazing system mastery and so i dont have to explain hardly anything.
04:21:59 <Steven1> and when i do its mostly people brand new to the game so i let a lot of shit slide.
04:24:34 <Avatar> mate you want to know how I know you care
04:24:40 <Avatar> because you are tense steven
04:24:47 <Avatar> otherwise your nick would be relaxer
04:24:56 <Avatar> it is like you are in your human guise
04:25:00 <Avatar> rather than your vigilante guise
04:25:06 <Avatar> where is the superhero
04:25:09 <Avatar> bring him to life
04:25:13 <Avatar> and ...chill
04:26:23 <Steven1> shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit didnt notice i didnt get brought in as relaxer
04:30:17 <Relaxer> whatcha guys talkin bout
04:31:34 <Relaxer> download is half finished... new game so close.
04:40:05 <Avatar> now you're a superhero
04:40:47 <Avatar> [17:42] <Lintor> hey is the player consent rule for a table of seven a actual rule or is it just one of those things i have heard bandid about?
04:48:26 <Relaxer> im asking what player consent rule is.
04:51:36 <Avatar> I assumed he meant do you need everyone's consent to allow a 7th player at the table
04:52:16 <Relaxer> nah...
04:52:23 <Relaxer> I'd make a horrible superhero
04:53:27 <Relaxer> Never heard of that. I know some people don't like playing at 7 player tables but i've never heard of a rule that states you have to get permission to do so.
04:53:35 <Relaxer> I'd be more like rorschach
05:01:23 <Mekkis> !spell Explosion Of Rot
05:01:29 <diebot> Mekkis, EXPLOSION OF ROT necromancy ([]) druid 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Comp: V, S, M (a rotting flower) Duration: instantaneous Save: Reflex half; see text SR:yesSource: Champions Of Balance
05:01:30 <diebot> You call forth a burst of decay that ravages all creatures in the area. Even nonliving creatures, such as constructs or undead, wither in this malignant eruption of rotting energy. Creatures in the area of effect take 1d6 points of damage per caster level (maximum 15d6) and are staggered for 1d4 rounds. A successful Reflex saving throw halves the
05:01:30 <diebot> damage taken and negates the staggered effect. Plant creatures are particularly susceptible to this rotting effect; any plant creatures caught in the burst are staggered for 1d4 rounds even on a successful saving throw.
05:05:48 <Mekkis> I thought failing to provide aid was not PvP
05:06:06 <Mekkis> and to be fair, I would probably do the same.
05:08:56 <Avatar> has anyone defined what a weapon-like object is
05:08:59 <Avatar> yet
05:09:25 <Avatar> I can't be the only one who will expect some table variation on common items there
05:23:09 <Relaxer> I have decided what my charcter will be.
05:24:27 <Relaxer> Gonna make a Witch doctor
05:25:08 <Relaxer> thats not a witch
05:25:34 <Mekkis> !spell animate dead
05:25:37 <diebot> Mekkis, ANIMATE DEAD necromancy ([evil]) cleric/oracle 3, sorcerer/wizard 4, antipaladin 3, shaman 3 1 standard action Range: touch one or more corpses touched Comp: V, S, M (an onyx gem worth at least 25 gp per Hit Die of the undead) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
05:25:38 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/animate_dead.html
05:25:45 <Mekkis> !spell animate dead, lesser
05:25:46 <diebot> Mekkis, ANIMATE DEAD, LESSER necromancy ([evil]) cleric/oracle 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, shaman 2 1 standard action Range: touch one corpse Comp: V, S, M (an onyx gem worth at least 25 gp per Hit Die of the undead) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: Ultimate Magic
05:25:46 <diebot> This spell functions as animate dead, except you can only create a single Small or Medium skeleton or zombie. You cannot create variant skeletons or zombies with this spell.
05:43:33 <Relaxer> theres a significant difference between not providing aid in a combat situation where you have other things to do like kill enemies and such
05:44:23 <Relaxer> and then there is watching a person die and not doing anything about it.
05:45:40 <Relaxer> speaking practically, he refused to spend 15g off of a wand/make a free heal check to stabalize and cost the player 7K+ gold to get raise dead and two restorations.
05:46:54 <Relaxer> and thats a pretty dicky thing to do.
05:50:37 <Relaxer> Its like a paladin watching another character cast Protection from Good and then the paladin watches as the character bleeds out a couple rounds later.
05:50:57 <Relaxer> or even infernal healing
06:07:59 <Relaxer> I want a donut.
06:08:03 <Relaxer> I'm going to go get a donut.
06:31:17 <Mekkis> Are you serious, Relaxer?
06:54:32 <Relaxer> yes. i went to go get a donut.
06:54:51 <Relaxer> Its a Maple Donut.
06:55:30 <Mekkis> I meant your previous statements
06:55:47 <Relaxer> Yes. I am. The whole situation is dumb in the extreme.
06:57:03 <Mekkis> If a necromancer, upon finding out that he's adventuring with an inquisitor of Pharasma, who has made it clear that he doesn't appreciate the creation of undead, proceeds to prepare and cast Lesser Animate Dead, he deserves everything that comes out of it.
06:58:22 <Relaxer> What about if the situation was reversed, What if the necromancer was standing at the end of the scenario and refused to heal the inquisitor because he wants another corpse to animate?
06:58:47 <Mekkis> has the inquisitor gone out of his way to troll the necromancer?
06:59:32 <Relaxer> according to the OP they were both antagonistic toward each other before the whole situation.
06:59:46 <Mekkis> really? It seemed pretty one-sided
07:00:10 <Relaxer> you gotta read the whole like 170 post thread.
07:00:35 <Relaxer> its sprinkled in all throughout the thread... horribly presented.
07:00:36 <Mekkis> I did
07:01:55 <Mekkis> The inquisitor was already compromising himself after the corpse was animated
07:02:59 <Relaxer> the necromancer compromised by not casting animate spells, and then obviously something changed.
07:03:26 <Relaxer> mmmmmmmmm donut
07:20:44 <Mekkis> he shouldn't have prepared it to start with.
07:23:08 <Relaxer> there was a quote.
07:23:35 <Relaxer> from the fox that i favorited
07:23:38 <Relaxer> "It's what my character would do" is the one of the worst excuses to play in a way that makes the game less fun for other players at the table.
07:23:38 <Relaxer> There were multiple instances of that in this story.
07:25:11 <Relaxer> in more positive news.
07:25:19 <Relaxer> I'm getting to go to Pax Prime again.
07:26:12 <Avatar> Mekkis: it breaks the don't be a jerk rule
07:26:19 <Avatar> "it's what my character would do" isn't an excuse
07:26:27 <Avatar> that kind of trumps everything
07:26:39 <Avatar> it was otherwise good roleplay on his part
07:26:46 <Avatar> if you ignore that
07:27:09 <Avatar> it would have been a better solution to heal him at the last second, if he knew when he was going to die
07:27:54 <Avatar> a good GM should allow the inquisitor to say "I heal him, but only at the last moment before he dies"
07:28:08 <Avatar> without risk that the character will actually die, even if he can't do a heal check
07:29:23 <Relaxer> if that happened to me, my necromancer would have 'seen the light' and never brought another creature back... but hey its not us, its two dick bags off in internet land.
07:30:51 <Avatar> internet land?
07:31:08 <Avatar> what does the internet have to do with it
07:31:21 <Avatar> I think that's a good example of why I don't like monty python
07:32:52 <Relaxer> it was posted on the internet
07:33:03 <Relaxer> so i count them as internet land dickbags
07:33:30 <Avatar> that's a very generalised accusation
07:33:36 <Relaxer> thats how i roll
07:33:47 <Avatar> very stereotypical
07:33:58 <Avatar> very discriminatory
07:34:01 <Relaxer> muhahahaahahaha
07:34:08 <Avatar> alarmingly relaxed about it all
07:34:33 <Relaxer> If you want i can go change into my vigilante persona
07:34:54 <Avatar> this is your vigilante persona
07:35:04 <Relaxer> nah, this is my social persona
07:35:14 <Avatar> don't know about that
07:35:20 <Avatar> looks pretty vigilante to me
07:35:53 <Relaxer> i might be a vigilante archetype that has mutliple personas
07:36:04 <Avatar> you're trying to tell me clark kent is the vigilante persona
07:36:27 <Relaxer> technically yes clark kent is the alter ego
07:40:46 <Mekkis> Relaxer, s_gmusic: Interested in buying any of my cards?
07:42:06 <Relaxer> I doubt you'd want to sell them to me, I'd buy them as a store buys them.
07:42:10 <Mekkis> Relaxer, if it were my necromancer, I wouldn't have prepared animate dead if I knew that I was with a Pharasman
07:42:34 <Mekkis> Are you saying that you would have?
07:42:44 <Relaxer> Yeah.
07:43:35 <Relaxer> Why should my character play around his character's decision, He isnt changing his deity to make playing with me easier.
07:43:50 <Avatar> maybe he should
07:44:03 <Avatar> choose your religion or choose your organisation
07:44:09 <Mekkis> Because you're in the pathfinder society, and you both need to be willing to compromise in order to complete a mission?
07:44:11 <Avatar> or WALK THE LINE !
07:44:22 <Avatar> then you run into inquisitors who leave necromancers to die
08:01:28 <Mekkis> Have either of you, Avatar and Relaxer, read Steven Brust's "Dragon"?
08:03:40 <Mekkis> "Why is everyone so … hmmm. I'm not sure how to say this. I've dealt with Dragons before, and I'm used to, ah, I'm not used to being treated so civilly by them. No offense."
08:03:41 <Mekkis> Virt smiled. "It's taken some effort," she said.
08:03:41 <Mekkis> "Why the effort, then?"
08:03:41 <Mekkis> "I can only speak for myself."
08:03:41 <Mekkis> "Well?"
08:03:42 <Mekkis> "We're going to war," she said after a moment. "We're going to be fighting. You'll be fighting next to me. I'd just as soon you didn't have any reason to let me be killed."
08:11:46 <Tashes> Does it weigh more than a duck? Relaxer
08:12:39 <Relaxer> Two ducks.
08:12:52 <Relaxer> btw, what do you mean by duck weight
08:13:55 <Tashes> well if it weighed less than a duck it must be a witch
08:14:21 <Tashes> night!
08:16:53 <Relaxer> i dont know what you're talking about
08:22:17 <Relaxer> ah... monty python
08:29:07 <Mekkis> If you're giving me US$, I might be interested
08:43:26 <Avatar> if you're giving me swiss francs I might be interested
08:43:34 <Avatar> for my exotic swiss bank account
08:43:43 <Avatar> one of my many accounts
08:43:47 <Avatar> international
08:44:17 <Avatar> I might also be interested if you wish to pay in bitcoin and/or dogecoin as I farm both regularly
08:44:37 <Avatar> I am in fact a multi-millionaire with many large investments.
08:54:44 <Relaxer> I doubt it mekkis, I'd buy to resell which means like 50-60% card value.
09:21:57 <Avatar> haven't read it, I don't really read
09:22:15 <Avatar> that passage quoted means very little without context
09:22:54 <Mekkis> an assassin who's signed up to fight on the front lines is talking to a professional soldier.
09:24:02 <Avatar> still not very impressive, is there more
09:24:25 <Mekkis> there is, and it's a good book. But I felt that that passage was the most relevant.
09:24:50 <Avatar> that passage doesn't sell me
09:25:19 <Mekkis> If you're going to be depending on other people to keep you alive, you should put a fair amount of effort into not giving them a reason to just letting you die.
09:27:42 <Avatar> why would they just let you die
09:27:47 <Avatar> that's not the default option
09:27:59 <Mekkis> Sure, it's not the default option
09:28:16 <Mekkis> but at some point, they might antagonise you enough to consider it.
09:32:10 <Mekkis> Keep in mind that 'fragging' did occur - about 900 times - during the Vietnam war.
09:41:36 <Mekkis> Relaxer, I'm currently dealing with people like that here, except that they're offering about 40%
09:42:02 <Relaxer> crazy.
09:42:22 <Mekkis> As in, about 50% resale value, assuming 1USD=1AUD
09:44:15 <Mekkis> And to be fair, there are some characters my characters have played with, where they also will refuse to assist.
09:54:53 <Mekkis> overquoted by people who have dumb senses of humour?
09:54:58 <Mekkis> No offence, Tashes.
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10:11:00 <Relaxer> Then your character isnt being a good pathfinder. Just because someone isn't being a good pathfinder to you first doesn't negate your responsability the Society to cooperate. The motto of the society is not "Explore, Cooperate, Report(unless someone does something you dont like then you're totally allowed to be a dick)"
10:11:50 <Relaxer> Rub their noses in the fact they are a bad pathfinder sure, but dont let them bleed out.
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16:30:01 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: 7pm Friday 24th || AEST (UTC+10:00) || Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
16:30:01 Topic for #d&d set by Mekkis at Fri Jul 10 22:15:19 2015
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17:33:44 <Avatar> I would normally say that opting to let a pathfinder die without trying to save them is an evil act
17:34:09 <Avatar> I think that's a good example of why I don't like monty python
17:34:15 <Avatar> probably even in the pharasman inquisitor case
17:39:59 <Avatar> they don't make any sense at all
17:40:09 <Avatar> it is funny because "monty python". what?
17:45:06 <Lintor> just throwing it out there but the Pharasmin church in the cityh of strangers is well aware of the large amount of necromancers and allows it to avoid direct conflict and because of the good they do. although the have terms so there is a presidence for Pharasmins allowing necromacy for the greater good.
17:47:58 <Avatar> how do you handle it if you're the GM
17:48:25 <Avatar> assume you explain that and the inquisitor doesn't agree, since this one probably didn't
18:01:29 <Mekkis> I love how disputing a fine with the NCA has so far cost me $2.10.
18:01:34 <Mekkis> In postage fees.
18:01:39 <Avatar> charge it to them
18:02:17 <Mekkis> if they take me to court over it, I will
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18:08:26 <steven> well that was a lot of fun.
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18:09:31 <Mekkis> oh?
18:10:05 steven is now known as Steven1
18:20:48 <Mekkis> Avatar, if I were the GM, and the inquisitor wanted to watch the guy bleed out, I'd allow him to.
18:21:19 <Mekkis> if the inquisitor wanted to save the necromancer, I'd allow it as well. I don't want to dictate the actions of the PCs like that
18:22:30 <Steven1> it wasnt a lot of fun... we got fucking destroyed.
18:22:37 <Steven1> party of 5 level 4s
18:22:45 <Steven1> back to back cr8 encounters
18:23:07 <Steven1> no wait, cr8 followed by cr7
18:30:42 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sgft?Can-I-just-retire-my-character-early
18:30:46 <Mekkis> This thread makes me sad
18:31:08 <Mekkis> If I had a free rebuild boon, I'd give it to the OP of that thread.
18:39:14 <Avatar> I'm sure it's only a matter of time before his class changes in some way
18:58:15 <Steven1> first encounter 6 shadows followed by a level 8 shadow dancer.... all the strength damage.... for evers
19:57:42 <Mekkis> overquoted by people who have dumb senses of humour?
19:57:47 <Mekkis> No offence, Tashes.
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21:04:56 <Tashes> <Avatar> has anyone defined what a weapon-like object is
21:04:56 <Tashes>
21:05:00 <Tashes> airport security
21:42:16 <Mekkis> $15 off (no minimum spend):
21:42:16 <Mekkis> This offer is valid for 30 days from receipt of email and requires a minimum spend of $75.
21:47:56 <Tashes> http://teespring.com/naturalone
22:57:01 * wm waves
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23:14:43 <Relaxer> what up
23:16:15 steven is now known as Steven1
23:16:23 <wm> just found the channel, through the website
23:16:35 <wm> ive not played before, was going to look at how it works and if im interested
23:17:29 <wm> wotw == war of the worlds ? watchers of the wall ?
23:25:29 <Tashes> Heloo stranger!
23:52:18 <Relaxer> way of the wicked
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