// #d&d — 2015-05-14
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04:03:46 <steven> his turn comes around again, "I'll pass."
04:04:03 <steven> it was horrible.
04:10:31 <steven> he didnt even throw out hexes
04:11:23 <ulzef> then the dude was just a dick and should have been banned under the don't be a dick rule
04:12:38 <steven> nah, hes just an idiot.
04:13:23 <Mekkis> did he run away
04:13:46 <steven> no, they eventually convinced him to actually start throwing out spells...
04:14:22 <steven> cleric was completely out of spells by the end of the fight.
04:14:50 <Mekkis> did they end up resting?
04:14:55 <steven> and channels
04:15:04 <steven> yeah out in the barn
04:15:22 <Mekkis> how many survived the night?
04:15:25 <steven> where some babaus showed up to harass them.
04:15:41 <steven> i think i killed 1
04:16:01 <steven> and they completed the scenario
04:16:42 <steven> but the last fight was much more difficult as a certain person saw all of their fights and may have emptied the spell component pounches of the casters.
04:17:36 <steven> im thinking wail of the banshee and foresight for my 9th level free spells.
04:20:13 <steven> 190 damage DC34
04:22:04 <Mekkis> not mass suffocation?
04:22:07 <Mekkis> for more of the same
04:24:22 <Mekkis> you should take Cursed Earth
04:24:47 <steven> mass suffocation isnt really needed.
04:25:28 <steven> I dont really want to kill lots of guys at once.
04:25:50 <steven> i dont really wanna take wail of the banshee or energy drain.
04:27:22 <Mekkis> Astral Projection then
04:45:17 <steven> i'll grab cursed earth, though i'll never cast it.
04:50:50 <steven> i hate picking spells at high level... so many good ones.
04:53:04 <steven> suppose i could get foresight and some sandles of quick reaction
05:10:42 <Avatar> I really need to play my wizard more
05:10:47 <Avatar> for some reason I prioritised my paladin
05:10:58 <Mekkis> I thought your wizard died
05:11:05 <Avatar> my new wizard
05:11:08 <Avatar> you played with him, Chai
05:11:14 <Mekkis> oh, HIM
05:11:18 <Avatar> although I can see why you would have been distracted
05:12:35 <Mekkis> Paizo needs to release more scenarios
05:14:29 <Mekkis> Ooh! Something on Paizo that I'm excited about!
05:14:44 <Avatar> that you won't tell us about unless we ask
05:14:54 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/products/btpy9dsc
05:15:20 <Avatar> old maps
05:15:33 <Mekkis> You should get it, Avatar
05:15:41 <Avatar> pass
05:15:56 <Mekkis> it is, literally, the most useful flipmap I've bought
05:16:24 <Avatar> I only remember seeing it in one session, and that was a special
05:16:52 <Mekkis> really?
05:16:57 <Avatar> I honestly don't GM often enough in person to bother
05:17:06 <Avatar> and I don't want to do it more
05:17:11 <Avatar> I want to GM online more
05:17:30 <Avatar> I'm considering not going to the cons as much
05:17:33 <Mekkis> then run a campaign. I'd be up to it
05:17:36 <Mekkis> up for it
05:17:46 <Avatar> not a campaign
05:17:59 <Mekkis> why not?
05:18:05 <Avatar> I'm into PFS
05:18:17 <Mekkis> run one of the APs in PFS mode then
05:18:20 <steven> so run a campaign and make it pfs rules.
05:18:22 <Mekkis> in Campaign mode
05:18:24 <Mekkis> I mean
05:18:41 <Avatar> every time we have this conversation, there is one, maybe two players here who are keen
05:19:00 <steven> im always keen so long as it fits into my schedule.
05:19:02 <Mekkis> I'm sure that there will be three, plus maybe steven
05:19:11 <Avatar> who
05:19:12 <steven> which my schedule is maliable to a point.
05:19:20 <Mekkis> Myself, ulzef and kapow
05:19:27 <Avatar> kapow is never here
05:20:20 <steven> i saw him the other day online.
05:21:34 <Avatar> a player who is around once in a blue moon is toxic to a campaign
05:22:42 <steven> APs i cant/wont play: Skull and Shackles, Wrath of the Righteous, Serpents Skull, Council of Thieves, Reign of Winter
05:22:52 <Avatar> I'm really not interested in a campaign anyway, it forces you to play for a long time
05:22:56 <Avatar> advantages of PFS
05:23:10 <Avatar> the flexibility is the real winner
05:23:16 <steven> APs I've Run: Rise of the Runelords. Second darkness.
05:24:33 <steven> my running of rise of the runelords was seriously off the rails though... 3/5 of the part worshiped cayden and to get into character actually drank at the table.
05:25:03 <steven> Which made for hilarious sessions
05:25:25 <steven> but i had to improvise a lot to get them to the next part of the story.
05:26:49 <Mekkis> Kapow is able to make it now
05:29:33 <steven> It would be cool to play an ap with avatar as GM.
05:33:47 <Mekkis> indeed.
05:34:45 <Mekkis> Or, Avatar, you could continue LSK!
06:42:32 <ulzef> herro
06:47:29 <steven> mass suffocation is a spell i dont think i need more then 2/day of.
06:47:42 <Mekkis> hi
06:48:13 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhfm?Illuminating-Darkness#discuss
06:48:18 <ulzef> nice try on getting avatar to run a on going game
06:49:34 <Avatar> ya nice try
06:49:35 <Mekkis> thanks. He should, right
06:49:45 <Avatar> the on going game I would run is PFS
06:50:03 <Avatar> that blog is terrible
06:50:40 <Mekkis> Avatar, there are about eighteen PFS scenarios I haven't played, and I don't really intend on wasting them playing them online
06:50:53 <Avatar> instead of silly subtitles like "I count your counter" and "pierce the darkness", it would've been helpful to keep track of what he was talking about by using something more useful like "countering darkness" and "overlapping light levels"
06:51:17 <Avatar> you will waste them in person as much as you will waste playing them online
06:51:33 <Mekkis> Yes, it should be "Forget about countering or dispelling; it never comes up."
06:51:50 <Mekkis> Avatar, disagree. I find playing in person much more enjoyable than online
06:51:51 <Avatar> it comes up because people thinks it comes up, that's enough
06:52:01 <steven> only need 1 foresight.
06:52:02 <Avatar> you can have better arguments in person aye
06:52:11 <ulzef> i see mekkis we are a waste :(
06:52:14 <steven> so need to write a spell in my spellbook
06:52:22 <Mekkis> ulzef, not that, just PFS
06:52:23 <Avatar> the point is online play is at least as good
06:52:29 <Avatar> not "a waste"
06:52:46 <steven> thats good for the other 2 spell slots.
06:52:56 <Mekkis> you can't share the awesome pizza you've baked online.
06:53:21 <ulzef> depends when we get some randoms i spend half the game wanting to shoot myself
06:53:38 <Avatar> you buy your own pizza and pick your favourite flavour
06:53:44 <ulzef> but i guess that goes both ways
06:53:48 <Avatar> and someone else can have a different preference and you'll both be happy
06:54:00 <Avatar> ya it sure does
06:54:01 <Mekkis> bought pizza < baked pizza
06:54:31 <Avatar> I almost never want other people's shared food
06:54:36 <Mekkis> The important bit of the blog post is:
06:54:38 <Mekkis> For every light spell, check to see if it has a higher spell level (not caster level!) than the highest spell level of any of the darkness spells. If so, that light spell has its normal effect, as per the spell. Do not reduce its light level again for the darkness spell; that already happened.
06:55:07 <Mekkis> Bam. Continual Flame, suitably heightened, works
06:55:08 <Avatar> I think daylight's negation clause is important
06:55:24 <Avatar> heightened continual flame isn't always the only option that'll be used
06:55:44 <Mekkis> It's actually interesting
06:55:48 <Avatar> in fact you were saying something about a sunrod being needed
06:55:56 <Avatar> which I think is wrong from that clarification
06:55:56 <Mekkis> Daylight + continual flame does not work
06:56:02 <Mekkis> Daylight + sunrod does work
06:56:08 <Avatar> you don't need a sunrod
06:56:35 <Avatar> daylight has temporary darkness negation to ambient light levels
06:57:55 <Avatar> As a side effect of negating the magical darkness, those nonmagical light sources activate again (while they are not ambient, they were still part of prevailing conditions).
06:57:59 <Mekkis> yes, but generally ambient light will be darkness.
06:58:31 <Avatar> you can't assume that's the case all the time
06:58:39 <ulzef> avatar what was the name of that life oracle again
06:58:40 <Avatar> the way you talk about it suggests it is
06:58:48 <Avatar> which life oracle
06:58:54 <Mekkis> Actually, you SHOULD assume that that's the case all the time.
06:59:04 <Avatar> you can't
06:59:07 <Mekkis> because that's the time it will Really Matter.
06:59:14 <Avatar> if there's light in the area, you don't say "sorry you didn't bring a sunrod, so you can't see"
06:59:18 <Mekkis> if it isn't, then things are better.
06:59:27 <Avatar> having a sunrod as a backup is great, but it's not always required
06:59:36 <Avatar> you need to be clear about that
07:00:05 <Mekkis> Just carry Bottled Sunlight!
07:00:33 <Avatar> you're talking about what player's should carry, not what the rules say
07:02:29 <ulzef> the one we played online with last time i played a game
07:03:03 <Avatar> oh, lorraine
07:03:07 <Avatar> good times
07:05:49 <ulzef> thats the one
07:08:20 <Mekkis> ulzef, Avatar: What do you do if someone turns up to your table who doesn't have all their chronicle sheets on them?
07:09:15 <ulzef> i dont let them use boons they claim but other than that meh cause it works on the honesty system and they could just dodgy them if they wanted anyway
07:09:44 <Avatar> I've turned up to cons without having any chronicles on me
07:09:53 <Mekkis> OMG Avatar
07:09:55 <steven> perhaps some clashing rocks.
07:09:59 <Avatar> o well
07:10:09 <Mekkis> If you had a VC like I do, you'd be banned from running games at cons!
07:10:18 <Avatar> yeah their loss mate
07:10:29 <Avatar> I have other things to do
07:10:50 <Mekkis> luckily your VC isn't a National Socialist
07:11:01 <Avatar> I'm sure you could grab 4 of them and ask if they want to play for free somewhere that's quieter
07:11:18 <Mekkis> hey, that's an idea :P
07:11:37 <Avatar> is he really saying you don't have your chronicles as a player therefore you can't GM?
07:11:44 <Avatar> that doesn't even make sense
07:11:50 <Mekkis> Well... no
07:12:04 <Mekkis> it's a little more complex than that
07:13:48 <ulzef> not really banning a gm for letting a player play without all there character sheets is a joke to be honest i never even check character sheets
07:14:02 <Avatar> I would not continue LSK
07:14:03 <Avatar> that story is done
07:14:05 <Mekkis> Last October, I emailed my VC asking for him to reprint my chronicle sheets for a character I lost.
07:14:09 <ulzef> unless someone went hey i have not got all my sheets here i wouldnt know
07:14:26 <Avatar> I wouldn't mind continuing another campaign in the same vein of it with CA-drawn maps, because that was amazing
07:14:39 <Mekkis> After 4 or so emails about this, I finally got my chronicle sheets today.
07:14:47 <Avatar> but then I think how long that kind of campaign lasts, and I say that is a bad idea also
07:15:05 <Mekkis> 1 October, 29 October, 10 December, and 25 April.
07:15:12 <Mekkis> what is wrong with a long-running campaign?
07:15:38 <Mekkis> He looked at my player record and noted that since 1 October, I had been playing 'without chronicle sheets'
07:15:45 <Avatar> you have to coordinate and you have to play it every week or so for the next 2 years
07:15:51 <Mekkis> for three games.
07:16:09 <Mekkis> And as such he had taken it to mean that I had willingly broken a rule.
07:16:30 <Avatar> I couldn't even stomach the timetable of book 1 of wotw
07:16:40 <Mekkis> what's wrong with that? I played Rise of the Runelords like that over a year...
07:17:08 <ulzef> your VC is a douche
07:17:46 <ulzef> your my VC storys are prob the main reason i never would come visit for a game because i would then be under his purview
07:17:48 <Mekkis> tell me about it
07:18:08 <Mekkis> ulzef, I'll add you to The List then
07:18:34 <steven> There we go, Wood Phalanx for my other spell.
07:19:49 <Avatar> what's he going to do, seriously
07:19:56 <steven> 3-6 disposable creaatures to do things for me... sounds exactly like what my character would want.
07:19:58 <Avatar> is he going to ask you to leave
07:20:04 <ulzef> admittedly my opinion is based off what i have heard from you
07:20:17 <Mekkis> He's told me that I won't be GMing at any cons in Canberra
07:20:21 <Avatar> so he thought you broke a rule
07:20:23 <Avatar> what did he do next
07:20:43 <Mekkis> Given that it's been over a year and a half since I GMed at a con in Canberra, I'm not too fussed, really
07:21:03 <Avatar> email the VOs in canberra and ask if you can GM sometime and see what they say
07:21:20 <Mekkis> I don't need to.
07:21:32 <Mekkis> I was GMing a game in Canberra today.
07:23:09 <Mekkis> ulzef, for the record, The List is an ever-growing list of People Who Won't Play PFS in Canberra.
07:23:24 <Mekkis> mainly because of the VC
07:24:12 <Avatar> dumb netsplits
07:24:36 <Avatar> I can't do it
07:27:04 <steven> it really is no different then a PFS game if you've got a group that agrees on a time.
07:27:28 <Avatar> but you don't have to stick to it in PFS
07:28:00 <steven> you do if you want to keep playing the same character.
07:28:25 <steven> like right now in core, the group of people we have all have their main characters which are around level 7. and a back up of level 2-3
07:29:52 <steven> and if you choose not to play you miss out on character development of those characters.
07:30:39 <steven> its a lot like an AP if you all choose to play together constantly. We crafted our own story through scenarios, and its been pretty awesome.
07:34:59 <Avatar> no I don't care about that
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18:01:29 <Steven1> le sigh....
18:01:34 <Steven1> disagreements tonight.
18:01:46 <Steven1> makes being a VO so not worth it.
18:09:41 <Steven1> i think i need to stop treating people like adults, and treat them like children.
18:10:00 <Steven1> just subtract.... 15 years from their actual age?
18:31:21 <Avatar> well give us the juicy details
18:31:23 <Avatar> don't hold back on us
18:32:32 <Steven1> people not making decisions, GMs not explaining mechanics, players getting put at a disadvantage because of said GMs
18:33:29 <Avatar> tell your GMs to get their act together
18:33:56 <Steven1> then inturrupting my game to discuss it, bothering me mid combat to get chronicle sheets
18:34:36 <Steven1> "hey steve i need 5 chronicle sheets" okay get them 5 chronicle sheets they come back "Hey steve i miscounted i need another chronicle sheet"
18:35:05 <Avatar> why didn't you just say "no"
18:35:17 <Steven1> because im event coordinator, its what im supposed to do.
18:35:29 <Avatar> so it's your fault then
18:35:47 <Steven1> yup, my fault because i didnt count the table size myself
18:38:20 <Steven1> just lots of little stuff today
18:40:27 <Steven1> my favorite was "I see you didn't Sign up. Can you play any of these games?" No. "Would you be interested in GMing this game?" No. "Would you like to GM a different game?" No. "I have no table to put you at then. The other tables already are full and have GMs."
18:40:36 <Steven1> okay change the game to one i can play.
18:41:40 <Steven1> "Well that is not fair to the 5 players who signed up to play this game. I don't think it is cool to tell them they cant play after they signed up to play a game offered." So? I can't play those...
18:41:55 <Avatar> LOL
18:42:01 <Avatar> I would just walk away without saying anything else
18:42:10 <Avatar> just turn and find another direction to walk in for no reason
18:42:25 <Steven1> this is a constant thing with this player.
18:43:01 <Steven1> the table group of people were sitting right there and my friend was like I'll GM lets find something else to play after it was aparant this guy was going to be a pain.
18:43:35 <Steven1> I gave everyone at the table EXCEPT that asshole a boon.
18:45:16 <Steven1> i think im gonna grab a glass and get some scotch... fuck tonight.
18:47:09 <Steven1> ahhhhh peaty goodness
18:51:05 <Avatar> I wouldn't mind a drink
19:11:02 <Steven1> im rockin a laphroaig 10 right now.
19:11:46 <Steven1> 3rd glass and im feelin goo
19:11:48 <Steven1> goooood
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19:49:44 <Steven1> so how ya doin avatar? played in any good games lately
19:56:46 <Avatar> haven't played since eyes of the ten part 3a
19:56:52 <Avatar> will be playing eyes of the ten part 3b on saturday
19:57:07 <Avatar> just when my barbarian nightmares were ending :(
20:40:22 <Steven1> i liked the second half of that scenario a lot.
20:40:35 <Steven1> but my table did stuff that was... unexpected.
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21:28:50 <Avatar> I am not joking the first half gave me nightmares
21:37:25 <Steven1> what you never heard of john carter?
21:37:45 <Avatar> what does john carter have to do witha nything
21:37:56 <Steven1> eyes part 3 is basically john carter.
21:38:31 <Avatar> I am not sure that is true
21:39:07 <Steven1> well its where the author got their ideas from
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