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08:45 <s_gmusic> "As of 4/27/15 the summoner class in this book is no longer legal for play. A summoner character that has played at least once at level 2 or higher by this date qualfies to continue using this version of the class. Otherwise, only the summoner in Pathfinder RPG Pathfinder Unchained is legal for play."
08:45 <s_gmusic> wat
15:56 <Steven1> beat that earlier today.
16:02 <Steven1> now im on red alert 2
35:12 <Ulzef2> herro what people up to?
42:49 <Ulzef2> Mekkis, did anyone else seem interested in a game tonight?
47:46 <Avatar> don't you want to retrain your summoner mekkis
59:38 <Ulzef2> anyone about?
16:15 <Steven1> im about now.
33:18 <ulzef> Mekkis any word from brun and kapow about a possible game tomorrow?
35:54 <Brunius`> Without seeing what's in the scenario I can't say either way, but it seems unlikely that they'd write in an exception there and then override it in the scenario
59:49 <ulzef> hey Steven1 just got home was waiting for the bus home so was gonna chat if people were about
05:12 <Steven1> i imagein they are around somewhere
15:38 <Steven1> there we go, unchained is launched.
15:58 <ulzef> unchained can go die in a hole
17:05 <Steven1> im alright with it.
17:20 <Steven1> doesnt negatively impact any of my characters.
18:48 <ulzef> i dont like that they have removed a base class from a hard cover product and forced you to buy a book which is supposed to be optional rules
20:15 <Steven1> nobody is forcing anyone to buy a book.
20:53 <Steven1> just cant play certain options from some books...
21:30 <Avatar> did you guys get your game in yesterday
38:52 <ulzef> you cannot play a option you legally could because they brought out a book of "optional" rules
39:02 <ulzef> nah
39:07 <ulzef> meaning the current rules are supposed to be the core still
39:10 <Avatar> bit messy
39:31 <ulzef> yeah a weeks grace would have been nice
39:48 <Avatar> very awkward for us, right on a monday
40:14 <Avatar> maybe they wanted to avoid games full of level 1 summoners for a week
40:21 <Avatar> like the aasimar/tiefling problem
40:36 <Steven1> its 'optional' to play a summoner
41:03 <ulzef> ??
41:09 <ulzef> aasimar and tiefling did not have to be lvl 2 so you could grandfather any characters with 1 game under there belt before then
41:16 <ulzef> dont even try that its a book tax to play a option that was legal before the douchetaxed it
42:16 <ulzef> people got upset over the book tax for techknowlegist and then they pull this
42:38 <Steven1> everything is a tax, want to play pfs... you gotta buy the core rule book.
42:53 <ulzef> i am retraining Ulzef
43:05 <ulzef> its the first base class they have ever removed and i dont like the presidence 
43:13 <Steven1> want to play an inquisitor? get the APG
43:26 <ulzef> i already had paid my summoner tax by buy apg now they are like ops gotta pay more tax
43:30 <ulzef> and my knife fighter rogue 
43:52 <ulzef> need to look to see if i have taken a rogue splash on anyone else 
44:03 <Steven1> well dont play it then.
44:07 <ulzef> cause 3 lvls of rogue just got really good
44:09 <ulzef> i actually dont mind the new summoner i dont like that they removed a class that they published 
44:57 <ulzef> i am stating a opinion i have spent hundreds of dollars on pathfinder and played since season 0 i am not going to quit i just don't like how they went about this
46:27 <ulzef> this is a forum for discussing pathfinder correct? i am not always going to agree with them toe there line and kiss there ass. sometimes i will say that was a dick move
48:10 <FireLantern> Hello ^^
49:36 <Steven1> frankly the old summoner was a bad class.
49:52 <Steven1> It never should have been allowed in pfs at all.
50:25 <Steven1> brock has said that he'd have banned it if he was in charge when it came out.
50:33 <ulzef> then paizo should not have published it
51:42 <ulzef> if we banned everything they publish then i would never have to see another chase scene but they keep putting those in
52:26 <Steven1> the new modified chase scenes are pretty good.
52:51 <Steven1> like in merchants wake and sky key p2.
53:13 <Steven1> where the party works together to get past obstacles.
54:39 <ulzef> yeah the chase in sky key 2 is pretty epic but they put the old one in sands 3 and that was well after everyone knew they were shit
56:47 <Steven1> The rules for chases are pretty poorly presented.
01:34 <ulzef> hmmmm with stealth unlock and somethings already in the game you can actually get a positive to your stealth for sniping 
02:56 <Steven1> my shadow dancer could snipe before getting hide in plain sight
03:27 <Steven1> he had a +32.
05:39 <ulzef> hello
05:57 <ulzef> yeah with camo cloak and some other things the - for sniping become a + so you get a net gain to stealth for doing something that is ment to lower it
06:31 <Steven1> well with distance penalties the -20 isnt realy a big deal.
06:49 <Steven1> usually ends up being a -10 to 16
25:13 <Avatar> yeah but then every man and his dog had aasimar/tieflings for a while after that
25:55 <s_gmusic> I have an Aasimar sitting around like that. haven't played society since last september. :/
29:30 <Avatar> I don't think we have to worry about a "precedent"
29:38 <Avatar> the summoner is obviously an exception to the rule
30:04 <Avatar> even compared to the gunslinger, the summoner had big issues
30:07 <Mekkis> Avatar, nice map printing guide
30:42 <Mekkis> You might be missing one thing: the concept of "A4" and "A3" might be foreign (pun intended) to the US audience.
32:56 <Avatar`> does quakenet not have a way to register your nick
12:36 <Mekkis> ulzef..
15:09 <Mekkis> I should start being more serious at playing the Creditcard game
06:34 <Mekkis> Steven1, up for some multiplayer?
42:10 <ulzef> yes?
42:14 <ulzef> sorry playing smite
42:26 <ulzef> what ya after Mekkis?
51:12 <Mekkis> PM
12:09 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
12:09 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Apr  5 08:23:43 2015
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19:27 <Mekkis> !item spear of manhunting
19:29 <diebot> Mekkis, SPEAR OF MANHUNTING [faint enchantment] CL:3 none 3925gp, 8lb
19:29 <diebot> A 2-foot-long blade extends from the heavy crossbar of this +1 boar spearUE. Designed to catch and hold humanoid prey, a spear of manhunting automatically resizes to match the size of its wielder when grasped. Once per day on a successful critical hit, the wielder of a spear of manhunting can cast hold person as an immediate action on the target
19:29 <diebot> hit by the attack (Will DC 13 negates). The hold person effect immediately ends if the spear is dropped or withdrawn, such as by making additional attacks with the weapon. Source: AP 67
23:04 <s_gmusic> oh, paper sizes
23:21 <s_gmusic> not typically known, no, unless you do art or something
23:22 <s_gmusic> ┐(￣ー￣)┌
28:10 <ulzef> i hope who ever decided to force the unchained changes falls ina hole and dies
33:11 <Avatar> you dont' like the new summoner
33:21 <Avatar> ?
34:31 <Avatar> come back ulzef
38:30 <ulzef> i dont like that they are forrcing people to buy a new book to regain access to a base class they could legaly play, it also messes with a bunch of archtypes. i was really looking forward to the new summoner archtype from heroes of the wild and it does not work with the new summoner
40:36 <ulzef> its even more dickish because they said that unchained was designed to be optional rules that would be how they would like to have done them if giving a second chance
41:33 <ulzef> it also means a i have summoner that i used a race boon on that does not work anymore
42:01 <Mekkis> ulzef, You have a 1.x summoner?
42:08 <ulzef> his concept was a priest of shylen with a celestial peacock summons thats gone
42:15 <ulzef> yeah 1.2
42:29 <Mekkis> Simple: backdate a game or two :P
42:49 <ulzef> that would be cheating and gitch would report me just to be a dick
43:02 <Mekkis> report him.
43:42 <ulzef> the being a dick rule is a very hard one to get someone on
43:47 <Mekkis> https://www.acsc.gov.au/cyber-security-video-sd.html
48:12 <ulzef> other than being funny i am not sure what that video had to do with the current topic
55:42 <Avatar> what do you normally use for paper sizes
56:01 <Avatar> like if you're using a photocopier
03:15 <s_gmusic> A4
03:29 <s_gmusic> 8.5" x 11"
04:56 <Mekkis> claim he's a scammer
07:28 <ulzef> btw anything from kapow or brun about this weekend yet?
08:06 <Mekkis> Avatar, I do not want to retrain either summoner.
10:04 <Mekkis> not yet,  I was hoping the Brunius_ would poke his head in here
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19:19 <Mekkis> Brunius_, 
19:21 <Mekkis> Brunius_, 
19:23 <Mekkis> Brunius_!
21:39 <Avatar> are all paper sizes only mentioned in inches
22:21 <ulzef> they both seem to be online just hating us
24:30 <Mekkis> it's normally termed "US Letter"
26:18 <Avatar> er, really?
26:43 <Avatar> s_gmusic can you confirm that
29:04 <Mekkis> what confirmation do you need, Avatar ?
29:55 <Mekkis> !throw 48d6
29:55 <diebot> Mekkis, 48d6: [48d6=5,4,3,1,3,1,6,5,4,6,5,2,3,6,5,2,5,3,5,4,6,2,3,1,2,1,2,6,6,2,5,1,1,6,4,3,5,1,4,2,4,6,2,1,6,3,3,2] 168
29:59 <Mekkis> !throw 48d6
30:00 <diebot> Mekkis, 48d6: [48d6=6,1,4,2,2,5,3,5,2,4,3,5,4,5,2,4,5,1,3,4,6,4,2,6,2,3,6,6,1,1,2,4,1,2,1,5,5,5,4,5,3,4,5,6,3,5,3,1] 171
30:02 <s_gmusic> ^
30:19 <s_gmusic> murican size, murican measurement. :/
32:08 <Mekkis> !throw 64d6
32:08 <diebot> Mekkis, 64d6: [64d6=1,1,4,4,1,5,3,4,6,3,2,1,5,3,5,5,6,3,3,3,2,5,3,5,5,6,5,5,1,2,1,6,5,3,2,3,3,2,6,1,5,1,6,1,3,4,1,1,2,6,6,3,4,5,3,3,6,4,2,3,6,1,2,6] 223
34:21 <Avatar> okay I'll deal with that one later
35:27 <Mekkis> No word from either of them, unfortunately, ulzef 
35:29 <Mekkis> :'(
45:31 <Mekkis> Hmm... RE: Summoner being forced into Unchained. Would it have been better for them to have simply banned the summoner last month, then released the unchained summoner? Discuss.
52:33 <Avatar`> echo
52:34 <Avatar`> echo
55:27 <Mekkis> ulzef, 
55:30 <Mekkis> back...
58:17 <Mekkis> ulzef, can you help me weigh up the benefits and costs with taking three levels of rogue on my inquisitor?
07:41 <Mekkis> ohce
07:42 <Mekkis> ohce
21:22 <Brunius_> tomorrow
21:25 <Brunius_> I probably can't make tomorrow
26:50 <Steven1> sorry mekkis i went to nap, rough day for headaches.
28:37 <Steven1> ulzef play 2 games and grandfather that summoner in.
30:35 <Steven1> i think you have until the 29th or something... frankly i didnt pay attention to the language used when discussing the grace period because i dont have any characters thats going to make use of unchanined rebuild.
30:47 <Steven1> so i may be mistaken.
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35:29 <Mekkis> Don't be a jerk > follow the rules :P
52:40 <Steven1> Don't be a Jerk = Following the rules.
08:02 <m3gagl1tch> Hey guys, knew to pathfinder, have a charcter made up using my original gms system (20 point buy) anyone willing to look over it for me?
08:07 <m3gagl1tch> new*
46:08 <Mekkis> okay
50:17 <Avatar> hi m3gagl1tch I can help you, show me your sheet
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32:27 <AndroUser> Hey anyone here?
35:16 <Akhaara> Played on here couple years ago was wondering what's going on now
58:35 <Steven1> hey
58:51 <Steven1> late at night in aust, so they probably all sleepin.
06:34 <Akhaara> Hey guys anyone here?
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17:03 <s_gmusic> confirm what?
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28:19 <s_gmusic> No.
33:34 <Akhaara> Ah didn't think about that lol
02:57 <Steven1> its cool.
03:10 <Steven1> I'm back and forth from my computer right now.
11:04 <Akhaara> Ah okay
54:51 <ulzef> sorry only just saw the question mekkis 3 lvls unchained rogue is actually fair amazing 
55:29 <ulzef> hi Akhaara most of the regualrs are probably at work or school
11:07 <Akhaara> Ah it's midnight here lol. I didn't remember the time difference comparison but remembered early in the morning (late) was when avatar said he woke up recently lol
17:39 <s_gmusic> 2300 for me. one of the aussie zones is 1400
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34:21 <FireLantern> Hello nocturnal people of australia!
23:53 <Avatar> this:  <Mekkis> You might be missing one thing: the concept of "A4" and "A3" might be foreign (pun intended) to the US audience.
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42:04 <Avatar> ulzef: play a game today and it will be legal
44:28 <Avatar> s_g: the answer to that question is never "no" and nothing else
54:00 <Mekkis> Brunius_, when can you make?
58:29 <Mekkis> ulzef, want me to run Godsmouth Heresy?
59:18 <Avatar> is that a quick module
59:25 <Mekkis> it can be
59:43 <Mekkis> if you really want, I can run Rise of the Runelords, part 1, in Campaign Mode.
59:48 <Mekkis> THAT is quick.
00:14 <Avatar> it's level 1, surely first steps/confirmation/wounded wisp would do the trick
02:01 <Mekkis> It's not as quick as RotR1, campaign mode :P
02:18 <Mekkis> and you don't need a 'full table'
03:17 <Steven1> Its actually kind of fun.
04:07 <Steven1> I usually just tell the cops when they pull me over to bring the breathilyzer when they come back to the window so i can prove i've not been drinking.
08:21 <Mendicant> Hello everyone. I understand that this may not be the right place but I had a general pathfinder question.
08:37 <Mendicant> Are there stats for anything like an ebook in pathfinder?
08:47 <Mendicant> I had an idea for a Numerian wizard who used it as a spellbook.
09:26 <Avatar> haven't heard of it
09:31 <Avatar> it'd be in the technology guide if anywhere
10:32 <Mendicant> Shoot
10:36 <Mendicant> I looked there and didn't see it.
10:39 <Mendicant> Thank you though.
11:02 <Mekkis> if you're not limited to Pathfinder, there are stats in Urban Arcana
11:17 <ulzef> um will sort something he has done confirmation and first steps already
11:41 <Mekkis> RotR1, campaign mode. Choose whatever system you want.
12:35 <ulzef> cool i should be home about 4:30 will sort something quickly then i gots to goto school
19:58 <Avatar> mate just wanted a two minute answer and them I'm gooooooone
20:03 <Avatar> kthxbi
28:36 <Mekkis> hmmm. A whip-using rogue might work now :P
02:39 <Mekkis> ulzef, yeah, but I need to weigh it up against taking inquisitor levels
09:01 <Brunius> tashes, you reckon TPG is beyond useless for internet, right?
09:02 <Brunius> wait
09:07 <Brunius> tashes doesn't hang out in here regularly
09:11 <Brunius> she was having issues with TPG yeah?
11:24 <Brunius> avatar, how's iinet?
12:19 <Mekkis> iinet is great
12:26 <Mekkis> They're my provider at the moment
12:32 <Mekkis> but yeah. TPG sucks
19:46 <Brunius> it's looking like iinet will be the best options
20:35 <Brunius> complicated by needing a 6mo contract but they're still looking good
37:45 <Mekkis> considered internode, Brunius ¿
37:45 <Mekkis> ?
37:59 <Brunius> They're who we're currently with, but don't seem to have competitive prices
39:52 <Brunius|L> Avatar: ping
40:00 <Mekkis> fair enough, I guess
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59:18 <Steven1> Red alert time.
05:50 <Steven1> sup
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36:16 <Mekkis> pong
37:16 <Brunius> Red Alert 1?
38:08 <Mekkis> Rather disappointed about Unchained, to be honest.
38:18 <Mekkis> It's going on the list of Books I Won't Buy
50:54 <Brunius_> Mekkis: I want to get the domain bruni.us, but godaddy currently owns it. Are they likely holding it specifically to resell?
52:50 <Mekkis> Godaddy isn't holding it
53:00 <Mekkis> the person who is, however, looks like they are
55:35 <Mekkis> Brunius_, b.runi.us is available
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03:54 <Mekkis> I'm currently with iinet, Brunius` 
25:32 <ulzef> iinet are fairly good except there phone customer service
26:25 <ulzef> and are you going full Inq?
27:38 <ulzef> the 3 lvl rogue dip gets you a talent,evasion,weapon finesse and get to use dex as well as 2d6 sneak
28:40 <ulzef> 4th lvl is pretty good as well
30:08 <ulzef> i did notice no wear did it say they don't get dex and half with say a elven curve blade
39:47 <Brunius`> so I'm making a character for a mate's wilderness campaign
39:55 <Brunius`> I'm thinking ranger, guide and skirmisher archetypes
42:20 <ulzef> what you wanting from ranger?
42:32 <Brunius`> wilderness-y things
42:38 <Brunius`> I also considered fighter
42:49 <ulzef> because there are alot of better options for most ranger stuff
43:12 <ulzef> what sort of ranger?
44:34 <ulzef> combat style? is there likely to be a favored enemy that is awesome for the game?
45:47 <Brunius`> elf may be helpful
48:05 <ulzef> hunter has alot of the awesome with a really good animal companion. Druid with a ranger splash + feat gets full favored enemy. the druid option also gets awesome wildshaping and pretty much full spells
52:06 <Mekkis> ulzef, the character I have is a red mantis assassin
52:20 <Mekkis> so far, he's Inquisitor 5 of Acheakek
52:47 <ulzef> guessing you already have the slashing grace investment then?
53:00 <Mekkis> I don't actually
53:13 <Mekkis> !feat slashing grace
53:15 <diebot> Mekkis, PASSING TRICK [Combat] Slipping past a foe gives you the chance to feint. Prerequisites: Int 13, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Improved Feint, Mobility, size Small or smaller. Benefit: Whenever you make a successful Acrobatics check to move through an opponent's space, you can spend a swift action to make a Bluff check against that opponent to
53:15 <diebot> feint in combat. Special: If you have the Underfoot feat and the opponent is larger than you, you gain a +2 bonus on the Bluff check this feat allows.
53:16 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
53:51 <Mekkis> oh
54:12 <Mekkis> no, I don't
56:45 <ulzef> i would just take the feat, the sabres are 1 handed finesseable slashing weapons right?
58:27 <Mekkis> sort of
58:34 <Mekkis> they're considered light weapons for me
58:44 <Mekkis> because of the particular sabres I picked up
59:35 <ulzef> hmmm would have to have the actual text in front of me not sure how it works with them being treated as light weapons
01:46 <Mekkis> It's interesting
01:58 <Mekkis> it depends which version you're using
03:22 <Mekkis> ISWG and UE say:
03:38 <Mekkis> The signature weapon of certain assassin cults, the sawtooth sabre is a cruelly efficient weapon. You may use a sawtooth sabre as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions identically to a longsword). If you have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtooth sabre) feat, for the purpose of two-weapon fighting you can treat it as a light melee weapon; for all other purposes it is one-handed melee weapon.
04:34 <Mekkis> Campaign Setting (retired now) and Adventurer's Armoury (still legal) says:    Sawtooth Sabre: The signature weapons of the
04:34 <Mekkis> notorious Red Mantis, sawtooth sabres are cruel but
04:34 <Mekkis> efficient weapons. Their curved, serrated blades are
04:34 <Mekkis> capable of making deep wounds and in the hands of
04:34 <Mekkis> a skilled user are treated as light weapons. A character
04:34 <Mekkis> without Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtooth sabre)
04:34 <Mekkis> can wield one of these weapons as a longsword.
11:57 <Mekkis> I'm using the AA version
23:17 <Mekkis> Not sure if I can really get the best of both worlds
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35:13 <ulzef> its only light for the purpose of 2 weapon fighting so i think it works
41:51 <Mekkis> Meaning you can't finesse it, ja?
41:56 <Mekkis> Avatar, 
42:38 <ulzef> not without one lvl of swashbuckler
42:56 <Mekkis> So. The guys in Canberra are insisting that if you bypass an encounter, you should have gold docked from you.
43:01 <Mekkis> so you're suggesting dipping swashbuckler instead?
43:04 <ulzef> but 1 lvl of swashbuckler + slashing grace is better than 3 lvls of rogue
43:06 <Ulzef2> hey mekkis you about on lunch break 
44:40 <Mekkis> I suppose so. Also saves me $10 :P
44:57 <ulzef> lol yeah
47:27 <Ulzef2> nvm gots to go
47:41 <Brunius`> PFS guide as of 2014-05 says: If  that  scene  specifically  calls  for 
47:41 <Brunius`> the PCs to receive gold piece rewards based 
47:41 <Brunius`> on  the  gear  collected  from  the  defeated 
47:41 <Brunius`> combatants, instead allow the PCs to find 
47:41 <Brunius`> a  chest  of  gold  (or  something  similar) 
47:42 <Brunius`> that  gives  them  the  same  rewards.
50:12 <steamybuttnuts> hello
51:20 <ulzef> you have weapon focus in the saw tooth already right
56:35 <Mekkis> I think so: otherwise it's pretty trivial to retrain weapon finesse into it
57:06 <ulzef> well swash buckler gives you finesse for free anyway
57:48 <Mekkis> yah
58:25 <Mekkis> any archetypes that use wisdom instead of charisma?
59:48 <ulzef> not that i am aware of
02:32 <Brunius`> It's page 33 in that version, dunno what it is in the current one
21:21 <Mekkis> I know. They're claiming that what's written in the scenario trumps it
43:53 <Mekkis> !feat extra grit
43:54 <diebot> Mekkis, EXTRA GRIT [Grit] You have more grit than the ordinary gunslinger. Prerequisites: Grit class feature or the Amateur Gunslinger feat. Benefit: You gain 2 extra grit points at the start of each day, and your maximum grit increases by 2. Normal: If you are a gunslinger, you gain your Wisdom modifier in grit points at the start of each day,
43:54 <diebot> which is also your maximum grit. If you have the Amateur Gunslinger feat, you gain 1 grit point at the start of each day, and your maximum grit is equal to your Wisdom modifier. Special: If you possess levels in the gunslinger class, you can take this feat multiple times.
43:55 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
46:30 <Avatar> tell them to go jump
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