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02:01:19 <ulzef> hi people
02:03:30 <steven> hey ulzef
02:04:09 <steven> im 3 games away from having a level 20 in pfs.
02:10:27 <Mekkis> hi
02:23:27 <Mekkis> level 17?
02:26:31 <steven> 17.667
02:29:58 <ulzef> hows things mek
02:30:18 <Mekkis> at home sick, actually
02:30:21 <Mekkis> :(
02:30:33 <ulzef> no good
02:32:36 <Mekkis> yeah
02:33:41 <ulzef> well i was gonna ask about WotW but i guess thats out with you being ill
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02:36:47 <Mekkis> I can't get a straight answer out of Brunius
02:36:48 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
02:36:53 <Mekkis> that's the problem
02:37:07 <ulzef> that buy needs slapped
02:37:15 <ulzef> boy even
02:37:25 <Mekkis> you're closer than I am
02:41:40 <ulzef> we need to get avatar to do it i think he knows where brun lives
02:48:08 <steven> hmmm... think im going to pick horrid wilting and moment of prescience for 16th level
02:52:06 <steven> i guess energy drain for 17th level.
02:52:52 <ulzef> horrid wilting is a awesome spell
02:54:24 <steven> meh, its 19d6. average damage is 67 damage, or i can just suffocate them.
02:54:50 <steven> dc36
02:54:54 <ulzef> yeah but its a nice aoe
02:54:58 <steven> persistant
02:55:26 <steven> the other wizard i play with is all about the AoE damage.
02:56:05 <steven> so, im more of a single target... this thing has to die before it kills someone.
02:59:55 <steven> usually in a fight i hit people with debuffs like bestow curse and blindness/deafness
03:00:54 <steven> and then one something nasty comes along that people are super woried about, they tell me to kill it, and i drop a persistant suffocation dc32-38 depending on what level i smack em with.
03:01:00 <Mekkis> Should Heneski get the Strand of Prayer Beads?
03:01:21 <Mekkis> so he can pull off 80d6 empowered damage in one round?
03:01:45 <steven> sure.
03:05:12 <steven> so our 'tank' party member now has 500hp
03:05:52 <ulzef> i will def get over that in our WoR game
03:06:32 <steven> its easy to get high HP if you're mythic.
03:06:48 <steven> my mythic character had like 700hp
03:07:00 <ulzef> true but i have a d6 hit dice no mythic tiers and lvl 3 and have over 30 hp
03:08:20 <steven> i didnt start optimizing till level 8 when we gained an archer character that made the GM have to mod the game.
03:09:02 <steven> otherwise i'd have probably had over 1k hp.
03:09:03 <ulzef> i am playing a scared witch doctor so main stat is con
03:09:36 <ulzef> well scared witch doctor/hedge witch
03:10:05 <steven> that archetype is such bullshit
03:10:09 <steven> i dont know why they made it.
03:10:48 <steven> its as bad as the kinetisist
03:11:18 <steven> or a ghoul oracle.
03:11:20 <steven> lol
03:13:42 <steven> i had a witch doctor in my rise of the runelords.
03:15:10 <steven> save dcs in the low 40s... totally fun.
03:15:29 <ulzef> i am transformation patron and the gm also ruled as i can cast cure spells after lvl 4 without prep that i can get into dragon disciple so going that
03:16:31 <steven> meh
03:21:05 <ulzef> i like the idea of being a dragon in a mythic game
03:21:21 <steven> seriously you dont need that much help since you're going mythic.
03:21:45 <steven> mythic breaks the game completely after about 5 tiers.
03:21:54 <ulzef> i know thats why i am going the fun dragon transforming character
03:23:44 <steven> i think if i ever do WoR 5 tiers is going to be max.
03:23:46 <steven> one per book.
03:24:35 <steven> because its eriously dumb how they disrupt things completely.
03:31:02 <steven> wish i could get some abjuration spells.
03:31:15 <steven> or enchantment...
03:31:22 <steven> worst banned schools ever.
03:43:41 <Mekkis> What schools do you think are best to ban?
03:43:56 <Mekkis> divination and evocation?
03:54:48 <steven> i think illusion is one thats not excessively hampering
03:56:14 <Mekkis> colour spray?
03:56:34 <ulzef> PK
03:56:38 <steven> and conjuration can be alright to ban so long as you are okay with getting wands and scrolls to cover teleport
03:57:24 <steven> but abjuration just sucks to have as a banned school.
03:58:02 <ulzef> conjuration has the snowball spells
03:58:15 <Mekkis> fucking snowball
03:59:36 <ulzef> you know you love it mek
04:00:43 <steven> once i was GMing and there was a guy at the table
04:00:46 <steven> had snowball
04:00:54 <steven> day of the demon
04:01:09 <steven> fighting the giant scary 4 armed gargoyle thing.
04:01:14 <steven> the fight was going badly for them
04:01:38 <steven> and this guy passed his turn, and everyone was like... um do something for your turn... we are losing.
04:02:23 <steven> and he said "Well i have 2 castings of snowball but i dont want to use them on the first fight, theres no telling what else we could fight"
04:02:34 <steven> and im like you might want to do something...
04:03:31 <steven> but he persists in passing. so i let him i take a full attack and drop 2 people to negatives.
04:03:46 <steven> his turn comes around again, "I'll pass."
04:04:03 <steven> it was horrible.
04:10:31 <steven> he didnt even throw out hexes
04:11:23 <ulzef> then the dude was just a dick and should have been banned under the don't be a dick rule
04:12:38 <steven> nah, hes just an idiot.
04:13:23 <Mekkis> did he run away
04:13:46 <steven> no, they eventually convinced him to actually start throwing out spells...
04:14:22 <steven> cleric was completely out of spells by the end of the fight.
04:14:50 <Mekkis> did they end up resting?
04:14:55 <steven> and channels
04:15:04 <steven> yeah out in the barn
04:15:22 <Mekkis> how many survived the night?
04:15:25 <steven> where some babaus showed up to harass them.
04:15:41 <steven> i think i killed 1
04:16:01 <steven> and they completed the scenario
04:16:42 <steven> but the last fight was much more difficult as a certain person saw all of their fights and may have emptied the spell component pounches of the casters.
04:17:36 <steven> im thinking wail of the banshee and foresight for my 9th level free spells.
04:20:13 <steven> 190 damage DC34
04:22:04 <Mekkis> not mass suffocation?
04:22:07 <Mekkis> for more of the same
04:24:22 <Mekkis> you should take Cursed Earth
04:24:47 <steven> mass suffocation isnt really needed.
04:25:28 <steven> I dont really want to kill lots of guys at once.
04:25:50 <steven> i dont really wanna take wail of the banshee or energy drain.
04:27:22 <Mekkis> Astral Projection then
04:45:17 <steven> i'll grab cursed earth, though i'll never cast it.
04:50:50 <steven> i hate picking spells at high level... so many good ones.
04:53:04 <steven> suppose i could get foresight and some sandles of quick reaction
04:56:41 <steven> and avatar... yeah i can see where PFO is going to be a chore during alpha...
04:58:13 <steven> I did the tutorial, immediately went over to get the skills for becoming a wizard and ran out of experience before being able to purchase any staff skills so i was waiting around so i could get more exp so i could do something in combat.
04:58:23 <steven> because i dont want to use a fucking club.
04:58:49 <steven> but the tutorial is like hey... spend about 25% of your resources on club skills.
05:10:42 <Avatar> I really need to play my wizard more
05:10:47 <Avatar> for some reason I prioritised my paladin
05:10:58 <Mekkis> I thought your wizard died
05:11:05 <Avatar> my new wizard
05:11:08 <Avatar> you played with him, Chai
05:11:14 <Mekkis> oh, HIM
05:11:18 <Avatar> although I can see why you would have been distracted
05:12:35 <Mekkis> Paizo needs to release more scenarios
05:14:29 <Mekkis> Ooh! Something on Paizo that I'm excited about!
05:14:44 <Avatar> that you won't tell us about unless we ask
05:14:54 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/products/btpy9dsc
05:15:20 <Avatar> old maps
05:15:33 <Mekkis> You should get it, Avatar
05:15:41 <Avatar> pass
05:15:56 <Mekkis> it is, literally, the most useful flipmap I've bought
05:16:24 <Avatar> I only remember seeing it in one session, and that was a special
05:16:52 <Mekkis> really?
05:16:57 <Avatar> I honestly don't GM often enough in person to bother
05:17:06 <Avatar> and I don't want to do it more
05:17:11 <Avatar> I want to GM online more
05:17:30 <Avatar> I'm considering not going to the cons as much
05:17:33 <Mekkis> then run a campaign. I'd be up to it
05:17:36 <Mekkis> up for it
05:17:46 <Avatar> not a campaign
05:17:59 <Mekkis> why not?
05:18:05 <Avatar> I'm into PFS
05:18:17 <Mekkis> run one of the APs in PFS mode then
05:18:20 <steven> so run a campaign and make it pfs rules.
05:18:22 <Mekkis> in Campaign mode
05:18:24 <Mekkis> I mean
05:18:41 <Avatar> every time we have this conversation, there is one, maybe two players here who are keen
05:19:00 <steven> im always keen so long as it fits into my schedule.
05:19:02 <Mekkis> I'm sure that there will be three, plus maybe steven
05:19:11 <Avatar> who
05:19:12 <steven> which my schedule is maliable to a point.
05:19:20 <Mekkis> Myself, ulzef and kapow
05:19:27 <Avatar> kapow is never here
05:20:20 <steven> i saw him the other day online.
05:21:34 <Avatar> a player who is around once in a blue moon is toxic to a campaign
05:22:42 <steven> APs i cant/wont play: Skull and Shackles, Wrath of the Righteous, Serpents Skull, Council of Thieves, Reign of Winter
05:22:52 <Avatar> I'm really not interested in a campaign anyway, it forces you to play for a long time
05:22:56 <Avatar> advantages of PFS
05:23:10 <Avatar> the flexibility is the real winner
05:23:16 <steven> APs I've Run: Rise of the Runelords. Second darkness.
05:24:33 <steven> my running of rise of the runelords was seriously off the rails though... 3/5 of the part worshiped cayden and to get into character actually drank at the table.
05:25:03 <steven> Which made for hilarious sessions
05:25:25 <steven> but i had to improvise a lot to get them to the next part of the story.
05:26:49 <Mekkis> Kapow is able to make it now
05:29:33 <steven> It would be cool to play an ap with avatar as GM.
05:33:47 <Mekkis> indeed.
05:34:45 <Mekkis> Or, Avatar, you could continue LSK!
06:42:32 <ulzef> herro
06:47:29 <steven> mass suffocation is a spell i dont think i need more then 2/day of.
06:47:42 <Mekkis> hi
06:48:13 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhfm?Illuminating-Darkness#discuss
06:48:18 <ulzef> nice try on getting avatar to run a on going game
06:49:34 <Avatar> ya nice try
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06:49:35 <Mekkis> thanks. He should, right
06:49:45 <Avatar> the on going game I would run is PFS
06:50:03 <Avatar> that blog is terrible
06:50:40 <Mekkis> Avatar, there are about eighteen PFS scenarios I haven't played, and I don't really intend on wasting them playing them online
06:50:53 <Avatar> instead of silly subtitles like "I count your counter" and "pierce the darkness", it would've been helpful to keep track of what he was talking about by using something more useful like "countering darkness" and "overlapping light levels"
06:51:17 <Avatar> you will waste them in person as much as you will waste playing them online
06:51:33 <Mekkis> Yes, it should be "Forget about countering or dispelling; it never comes up."
06:51:50 <Mekkis> Avatar, disagree. I find playing in person much more enjoyable than online
06:51:51 <Avatar> it comes up because people thinks it comes up, that's enough
06:52:01 <steven> only need 1 foresight.
06:52:02 <Avatar> you can have better arguments in person aye
06:52:11 <ulzef> i see mekkis we are a waste :(
06:52:14 <steven> so need to write a spell in my spellbook
06:52:22 <Mekkis> ulzef, not that, just PFS
06:52:23 <Avatar> the point is online play is at least as good
06:52:29 <Avatar> not "a waste"
06:52:46 <steven> thats good for the other 2 spell slots.
06:52:56 <Mekkis> you can't share the awesome pizza you've baked online.
06:53:21 <ulzef> depends when we get some randoms i spend half the game wanting to shoot myself
06:53:38 <Avatar> you buy your own pizza and pick your favourite flavour
06:53:44 <ulzef> but i guess that goes both ways
06:53:48 <Avatar> and someone else can have a different preference and you'll both be happy
06:54:00 <Avatar> ya it sure does
06:54:01 <Mekkis> bought pizza < baked pizza
06:54:31 <Avatar> I almost never want other people's shared food
06:54:36 <Mekkis> The important bit of the blog post is:
06:54:38 <Mekkis> For every light spell, check to see if it has a higher spell level (not caster level!) than the highest spell level of any of the darkness spells. If so, that light spell has its normal effect, as per the spell. Do not reduce its light level again for the darkness spell; that already happened.
06:55:07 <Mekkis> Bam. Continual Flame, suitably heightened, works
06:55:08 <Avatar> I think daylight's negation clause is important
06:55:24 <Avatar> heightened continual flame isn't always the only option that'll be used
06:55:44 <Mekkis> It's actually interesting
06:55:48 <Avatar> in fact you were saying something about a sunrod being needed
06:55:56 <Avatar> which I think is wrong from that clarification
06:55:56 <Mekkis> Daylight + continual flame does not work
06:56:02 <Mekkis> Daylight + sunrod does work
06:56:08 <Avatar> you don't need a sunrod
06:56:35 <Avatar> daylight has temporary darkness negation to ambient light levels
06:57:55 <Avatar> As a side effect of negating the magical darkness, those nonmagical light sources activate again (while they are not ambient, they were still part of prevailing conditions).
06:57:59 <Mekkis> yes, but generally ambient light will be darkness.
06:58:31 <Avatar> you can't assume that's the case all the time
06:58:39 <ulzef> avatar what was the name of that life oracle again
06:58:40 <Avatar> the way you talk about it suggests it is
06:58:48 <Avatar> which life oracle
06:58:54 <Mekkis> Actually, you SHOULD assume that that's the case all the time.
06:59:04 <Avatar> you can't
06:59:07 <Mekkis> because that's the time it will Really Matter.
06:59:14 <Avatar> if there's light in the area, you don't say "sorry you didn't bring a sunrod, so you can't see"
06:59:18 <Mekkis> if it isn't, then things are better.
06:59:27 <Avatar> having a sunrod as a backup is great, but it's not always required
06:59:36 <Avatar> you need to be clear about that
07:00:05 <Mekkis> Just carry Bottled Sunlight!
07:00:33 <Avatar> you're talking about what player's should carry, not what the rules say
07:02:29 <ulzef> the one we played online with last time i played a game
07:03:03 <Avatar> oh, lorraine
07:03:07 <Avatar> good times
07:05:49 <ulzef> thats the one
07:08:20 <Mekkis> ulzef, Avatar: What do you do if someone turns up to your table who doesn't have all their chronicle sheets on them?
07:09:15 <ulzef> i dont let them use boons they claim but other than that meh cause it works on the honesty system and they could just dodgy them if they wanted anyway
07:09:44 <Avatar> I've turned up to cons without having any chronicles on me
07:09:53 <Mekkis> OMG Avatar
07:09:55 <steven> perhaps some clashing rocks.
07:09:59 <Avatar> o well
07:10:09 <Mekkis> If you had a VC like I do, you'd be banned from running games at cons!
07:10:18 <Avatar> yeah their loss mate
07:10:29 <Avatar> I have other things to do
07:10:50 <Mekkis> luckily your VC isn't a National Socialist
07:11:01 <Avatar> I'm sure you could grab 4 of them and ask if they want to play for free somewhere that's quieter
07:11:18 <Mekkis> hey, that's an idea :P
07:11:37 <Avatar> is he really saying you don't have your chronicles as a player therefore you can't GM?
07:11:44 <Avatar> that doesn't even make sense
07:11:50 <Mekkis> Well... no
07:12:04 <Mekkis> it's a little more complex than that
07:13:48 <ulzef> not really banning a gm for letting a player play without all there character sheets is a joke to be honest i never even check character sheets
07:14:02 <Avatar> I would not continue LSK
07:14:03 <Avatar> that story is done
07:14:05 <Mekkis> Last October, I emailed my VC asking for him to reprint my chronicle sheets for a character I lost.
07:14:09 <ulzef> unless someone went hey i have not got all my sheets here i wouldnt know
07:14:26 <Avatar> I wouldn't mind continuing another campaign in the same vein of it with CA-drawn maps, because that was amazing
07:14:39 <Mekkis> After 4 or so emails about this, I finally got my chronicle sheets today.
07:14:47 <Avatar> but then I think how long that kind of campaign lasts, and I say that is a bad idea also
07:15:05 <Mekkis> 1 October, 29 October, 10 December, and 25 April.
07:15:12 <Mekkis> what is wrong with a long-running campaign?
07:15:38 <Mekkis> He looked at my player record and noted that since 1 October, I had been playing 'without chronicle sheets'
07:15:45 <Avatar> you have to coordinate and you have to play it every week or so for the next 2 years
07:15:51 <Mekkis> for three games.
07:16:09 <Mekkis> And as such he had taken it to mean that I had willingly broken a rule.
07:16:30 <Avatar> I couldn't even stomach the timetable of book 1 of wotw
07:16:40 <Mekkis> what's wrong with that? I played Rise of the Runelords like that over a year...
07:17:08 <ulzef> your VC is a douche
07:17:46 <ulzef> your my VC storys are prob the main reason i never would come visit for a game because i would then be under his purview
07:17:48 <Mekkis> tell me about it
07:18:08 <Mekkis> ulzef, I'll add you to The List then
07:18:34 <steven> There we go, Wood Phalanx for my other spell.
07:19:49 <Avatar> what's he going to do, seriously
07:19:56 <steven> 3-6 disposable creaatures to do things for me... sounds exactly like what my character would want.
07:19:58 <Avatar> is he going to ask you to leave
07:20:04 <ulzef> admittedly my opinion is based off what i have heard from you
07:20:17 <Mekkis> He's told me that I won't be GMing at any cons in Canberra
07:20:21 <Avatar> so he thought you broke a rule
07:20:23 <Avatar> what did he do next
07:20:43 <Mekkis> Given that it's been over a year and a half since I GMed at a con in Canberra, I'm not too fussed, really
07:21:03 <Avatar> email the VOs in canberra and ask if you can GM sometime and see what they say
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07:21:20 <Mekkis> I don't need to.
07:21:24 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
07:21:32 <Mekkis> I was GMing a game in Canberra today.
07:23:09 <Mekkis> ulzef, for the record, The List is an ever-growing list of People Who Won't Play PFS in Canberra.
07:23:24 <Mekkis> mainly because of the VC
07:24:12 <Avatar> dumb netsplits
07:24:36 <Avatar> I can't do it
07:27:04 <steven> it really is no different then a PFS game if you've got a group that agrees on a time.
07:27:28 <Avatar> but you don't have to stick to it in PFS
07:28:00 <steven> you do if you want to keep playing the same character.
07:28:25 <steven> like right now in core, the group of people we have all have their main characters which are around level 7. and a back up of level 2-3
07:29:52 <steven> and if you choose not to play you miss out on character development of those characters.
07:30:39 <steven> its a lot like an AP if you all choose to play together constantly. We crafted our own story through scenarios, and its been pretty awesome.
07:34:59 <Avatar> no I don't care about that
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08:28:53 <Avatar> mate forget PFO
08:28:57 <Avatar> shroud of the avatar is where it's at
08:38:20 <steven> i dont have shroud.
08:38:38 <steven> and i was taking a look at pfo
08:39:46 <steven> but it is in year 2 out of 5 of development.
08:40:06 <steven> so i am thinking it will get better.
08:40:16 <steven> also, its fuckin nap time.
09:08:03 <Mekkis> hmmm. what 1-2 should I run?
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18:34:04 <Mix> Anyone around?
18:37:19 <Avatar> about to leave
18:37:56 <Mix> Oh
18:38:01 <Mix> I'll just wait around then
19:01:45 <MixMaster> I'm still Mix btw. Just with a different irc client
19:04:05 <MixMaster> I'm interested in playing pathfinder, but I have pretty much no experience with any of it. I'd appreciate if someone could shoot me an email at [email protected] and explain some of the basics for me. I'd really like to sit it on a game if possible.
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20:45:52 <Mekkis> hi
20:46:24 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhfm?Illuminating-Darkness#discuss
20:46:30 <ulzef> nice try on getting avatar to run a on going game
20:47:46 <Mekkis> thanks. He should, right
20:47:46 <Avatar> ya nice try
20:47:57 <Avatar> the on going game I would run is PFS
20:48:14 <Avatar> that blog is terrible
20:48:52 <Mekkis> Avatar, there are about eighteen PFS scenarios I haven't played, and I don't really intend on wasting them playing them online
20:49:05 <Avatar> instead of silly subtitles like "I count your counter" and "pierce the darkness", it would've been helpful to keep track of what he was talking about by using something more useful like "countering darkness" and "overlapping light levels"
20:49:29 <Avatar> you will waste them in person as much as you will waste playing them online
20:49:44 <Mekkis> Yes, it should be "Forget about countering or dispelling; it never comes up."
20:50:02 <Mekkis> Avatar, disagree. I find playing in person much more enjoyable than online
20:50:03 <Avatar> it comes up because people thinks it comes up, that's enough
20:50:14 <Avatar> you can have better arguments in person aye
20:50:23 <ulzef> i see mekkis we are a waste :(
20:50:33 <Mekkis> ulzef, not that, just PFS
20:50:35 <Avatar> the point is online play is at least as good
20:50:41 <Avatar> not "a waste"
20:51:08 <Mekkis> you can't share the awesome pizza you've baked online.
20:51:33 <ulzef> depends when we get some randoms i spend half the game wanting to shoot myself
20:51:50 <Avatar> you buy your own pizza and pick your favourite flavour
20:51:56 <ulzef> but i guess that goes both ways
20:52:00 <Avatar> and someone else can have a different preference and you'll both be happy
20:52:11 <Avatar> ya it sure does
20:52:12 <Mekkis> bought pizza < baked pizza
20:52:43 <Avatar> I almost never want other people's shared food
20:52:47 <Mekkis> The important bit of the blog post is:
20:52:50 <Mekkis> For every light spell, check to see if it has a higher spell level (not caster level!) than the highest spell level of any of the darkness spells. If so, that light spell has its normal effect, as per the spell. Do not reduce its light level again for the darkness spell; that already happened.
20:53:19 <Mekkis> Bam. Continual Flame, suitably heightened, works
20:53:20 <Avatar> I think daylight's negation clause is important
20:53:36 <Avatar> heightened continual flame isn't always the only option that'll be used
20:53:56 <Mekkis> It's actually interesting
20:54:00 <Avatar> in fact you were saying something about a sunrod being needed
20:54:07 <Avatar> which I think is wrong from that clarification
20:54:08 <Mekkis> Daylight + continual flame does not work
20:54:13 <Mekkis> Daylight + sunrod does work
20:54:19 <Avatar> you don't need a sunrod
20:54:47 <Avatar> daylight has temporary darkness negation to ambient light levels
20:56:07 <Avatar> As a side effect of negating the magical darkness, those nonmagical light sources activate again (while they are not ambient, they were still part of prevailing conditions).
20:56:10 <Mekkis> yes, but generally ambient light will be darkness.
20:56:43 <Avatar> you can't assume that's the case all the time
20:56:51 <ulzef> avatar what was the name of that life oracle again
20:56:52 <Avatar> the way you talk about it suggests it is
20:56:59 <Avatar> which life oracle
20:57:05 <Mekkis> Actually, you SHOULD assume that that's the case all the time.
20:57:16 <Avatar> you can't
20:57:19 <Mekkis> because that's the time it will Really Matter.
20:57:27 <Avatar> if there's light in the area, you don't say "sorry you didn't bring a sunrod, so you can't see"
20:57:29 <Mekkis> if it isn't, then things are better.
20:57:42 <Avatar> having a sunrod as a backup is great, but it's not always required
20:57:48 <Avatar> you need to be clear about that
20:58:16 <Mekkis> Just carry Bottled Sunlight!
20:58:46 <Avatar> you're talking about what player's should carry, not what the rules say
21:00:41 <ulzef> the one we played online with last time i played a game
21:01:14 <Avatar> oh, lorraine
21:01:19 <Avatar> good times
21:04:01 <ulzef> thats the one
21:06:31 <Mekkis> ulzef, Avatar: What do you do if someone turns up to your table who doesn't have all their chronicle sheets on them?
21:07:26 <ulzef> i dont let them use boons they claim but other than that meh cause it works on the honesty system and they could just dodgy them if they wanted anyway
21:07:56 <Avatar> I've turned up to cons without having any chronicles on me
21:08:05 <Mekkis> OMG Avatar
21:08:11 <Avatar> o well
21:08:20 <Mekkis> If you had a VC like I do, you'd be banned from running games at cons!
21:08:30 <Avatar> yeah their loss mate
21:08:41 <Avatar> I have other things to do
21:09:02 <Mekkis> luckily your VC isn't a National Socialist
21:09:13 <Avatar> I'm sure you could grab 4 of them and ask if they want to play for free somewhere that's quieter
21:09:29 <Mekkis> hey, that's an idea :P
21:09:49 <Avatar> is he really saying you don't have your chronicles as a player therefore you can't GM?
21:09:56 <Avatar> that doesn't even make sense
21:10:02 <Mekkis> Well... no
21:10:15 <Mekkis> it's a little more complex than that
21:12:00 <ulzef> not really banning a gm for letting a player play without all there character sheets is a joke to be honest i never even check character sheets
21:12:17 <Mekkis> Last October, I emailed my VC asking for him to reprint my chronicle sheets for a character I lost.
21:12:21 <ulzef> unless someone went hey i have not got all my sheets here i wouldnt know
21:12:51 <Mekkis> After 4 or so emails about this, I finally got my chronicle sheets today.
21:13:16 <Mekkis> 1 October, 29 October, 10 December, and 25 April.
21:13:50 <Mekkis> He looked at my player record and noted that since 1 October, I had been playing 'without chronicle sheets'
21:14:02 <Mekkis> for three games.
21:14:20 <Mekkis> And as such he had taken it to mean that I had willingly broken a rule.
21:15:20 <ulzef> your VC is a douche
21:15:58 <ulzef> your my VC storys are prob the main reason i never would come visit for a game because i would then be under his purview
21:15:59 <Mekkis> tell me about it
21:16:20 <Mekkis> ulzef, I'll add you to The List then
21:18:01 <Avatar> what's he going to do, seriously
21:18:10 <Avatar> is he going to ask you to leave
21:18:15 <ulzef> admittedly my opinion is based off what i have heard from you
21:18:28 <Mekkis> He's told me that I won't be GMing at any cons in Canberra
21:18:33 <Avatar> so he thought you broke a rule
21:18:34 <Avatar> what did he do next
21:18:54 <Mekkis> Given that it's been over a year and a half since I GMed at a con in Canberra, I'm not too fussed, really
21:19:15 <Avatar> email the VOs in canberra and ask if you can GM sometime and see what they say
21:19:32 <Mekkis> I don't need to.
21:19:43 <Mekkis> I was GMing a game in Canberra today.
21:21:21 <Mekkis> ulzef, for the record, The List is an ever-growing list of People Who Won't Play PFS in Canberra.
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21:21:35 <Mekkis> mainly because of the VC
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21:22:24 <Avatar> dumb netsplits
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