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33:19 <Haksoldier> EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
33:19 <Haksoldier> ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!
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04:47 <Mekkis> !spell telepathic bond
04:52 <diebot> Mekkis, TELEPATHIC BOND divination ([]) sorcerer/wizard 5, witch 5, inquisitor 5 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) you plus one willing creature per three levels, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, M (two eggshells from two different creatures) Duration: 10 min./level Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG
04:52 <diebot> Core
04:53 <diebot> You forge a telepathic bond among yourself and a number of willing creatures, each of which must have an Intelligence score of 3 or higher. Each creature included in the link is linked to all the others. The creatures can communicate telepathically through the bond regardless of language. No special power or influence is established as a result of
04:53 <diebot> the bond. Once the bond is formed, it works over any distance (although not from one plane to another). If desired, you may leave yourself out of the telepathic bond forged. This decision must be made at the time of casting. Telepathic bond can be made permanent with a permanency spell, though it only bonds two creatures per casting of permanency.
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09:11 <Steven> !guide
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10:04 <Steven> ?guide
10:05 <diebot> Steven, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
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28:27 <Damalon01> morning all
29:33 <Steven> hey
32:01 <Damalon01> wats happening man?
35:58 <Steven> migraine... kinda a bad one.
36:04 <Steven> but shit happens.
36:21 <Damalon01> :(
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19:26 <Damalon01> hmmm how bad would it be to be a Paladin in the Qadira faction?
51:17 <Avatar> not bad at all
51:30 <Avatar> I have a paladin rolled up for the sczarni faction
55:28 <Damalon01> wow i wouldve thought that would be difficult
55:59 <Steven> I have a Chelaxian Paladin!
56:05 <Avatar> !feat snake style
56:08 <diebot> Avatar, SNAKE STYLE [Combat, Style] You watch your foe's every movement and then punch through its defense.  Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, Acrobatics 1 rank, Sense Motive 3 ranks. Benefit: You gain a +2 bonus on Sense Motive checks, and you can deal piercing damage with your unarmed strikes. While using the Snake Style feat, when an
56:08 <diebot> opponent targets you with a melee or ranged attack, you can spend an immediate action to make a Sense Motive check. You can use the result as your AC or touch AC against that attack. You must be aware of the attack and not flat-footed. Normal: An unarmed strike deals bludgeoning damage.
56:08 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
56:36 <Damalon01> see im thinking that eventually ill have one character of every Faction
56:44 <Avatar> man don't do it
56:51 <Avatar> that was my thinking and now I have a primary character using a faction I hate
57:06 <Avatar> that I can't change from without burning all my prestige
57:18 <Damalon01> argh, which faction do you hate?
57:25 <Avatar> silver crusade
57:29 <Damalon01> aahhh
57:31 <Avatar> and lantern lodge, but thank god they don't exist anymore
57:54 <Avatar> I had an andoran, but luckily mekkis killed him
58:09 <Damalon01> lol i like Andoran
58:17 <Damalon01> and Silver Crusade
58:18 <Avatar> I like andorans more than I like silver crusade
58:42 <Avatar> the character is a pyromaniac and I put him onto silver crusade, what was I thinking
58:54 <Damalon01> yeah thats a bit of a mistake
59:06 <Damalon01> see my Crusader is a cleric of Iomedae
59:14 <Avatar> you want a deity
59:17 <Avatar> cayden cailean
59:19 <Avatar> look him up
59:36 <Damalon01> i know a liwttle about Cayden, hes cool
59:47 <Avatar> he is the only cool cat in the immortal realm
59:55 <Avatar> by a long shot
59:59 <Damalon01> i went with Iomedae for the weapon and the domains
00:35 <Avatar> ok mechanical reasons, fair enough
00:48 <Damalon01> mostly
01:16 <Damalon01> thematics had something to do wiwth it too
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09:19 <Steven> I have a character in every faction.
09:33 <Steven> even shadow lodge and lantern lodge
09:46 <Steven> because i havent played them since they were retired.
12:19 <Avatar> I am not happy they got rid of shadow lodge
12:28 <Avatar> that was quickly becoming my favourite
12:35 <Steven> i am.
13:15 <Avatar> don't you like me
13:24 <Steven> im on the fence
13:25 <Steven> lol
14:56 <Avatar> i'll knock you off the fence
15:02 <Avatar> you just look out
15:25 <Steven> i dont need a look out
18:29 <Damalon01> ill never know about Lantern Lodge and Shadow Lodge, they got removed before I got around to making characters for them
18:35 <Damalon01> ah well
19:04 <Steven> my lore warden/shadow dancer was shadow lodge
19:10 <Steven> now i think he is osirion.
22:42 <Avatar> lantern lodge had nothing going for it
25:54 <Damalon01> i only wanted lantern lodge on my ninja for the sake of thematics
26:08 <Damalon01> dont really miss it
26:57 <Avatar> yeah I actually rolled up a ninja and gave him lantern lodge I think
27:04 <Avatar> but then I realised I didn't like ninja and rebuilt him into a wizard
27:05 <Damalon01> :)
27:09 <Damalon01> i debated Samurai
27:20 <Damalon01> maybe i shoulda but i do like my Ninja
27:34 <Steven> ninja better than rogue
27:46 <Damalon01> yeah but i still like rogue
27:53 <Avatar> the rogue has trapfinding going for it
28:03 <Avatar> does the ninja get evasion
28:07 <Damalon01> nope
28:13 <Steven> wands trump traps
28:26 <Avatar> how do wands trump traps
28:26 <Damalon01> i think he might be able to get evasion as a tirck but im not sure
29:41 <Avatar> yeah, master trick
29:53 <Avatar> level 10+
29:58 <Damalon01> aahhh
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37:53 <Steven> okies back
38:11 <Avatar> WB
38:26 <Steven> had to help my brother with some video recording stuffs
38:45 <Spaceshot> anything interesting happening this fine afternoon
38:59 <Steven> I am in the middle of a wicked migraine.
39:02 <Steven> thats happening
39:14 <Spaceshot> aren't you always?
39:25 <Steven> no... last week i even had a day with no headache.
39:30 <Steven> it was freakin awesome
39:33 <Steven> i built a fence.
39:41 <Spaceshot> to cage the wee ones?
39:53 <Steven> for my dads dogs.
39:58 <Spaceshot> ahh
40:00 <Spaceshot> close enough
40:21 <Steven> i signed up for paizocon GMing
40:42 <Spaceshot> now I don't exactly remember where you are, USA or AUS?
41:07 <Steven> USA
41:18 <Spaceshot> ah
41:24 <Avatar> spaceshot you should get back into playing
41:28 <Spaceshot> well that must be a very long line
41:32 <Spaceshot> I should avatar, I should
41:32 <Avatar> what levels you got?
41:50 <Spaceshot> ava is 4.x or even 5 now
41:57 <Spaceshot> and I've got a 2 and a couple 1s
42:02 <Steven> nah, I've a VL and im almost 5 stars.  I'll likely get picked to GM
42:26 <Spaceshot> nice then
42:53 <Spaceshot> hope you bring fun to the new players and wreck havok to the munchkins
44:10 <Steven> why would i bring havok to my own kind?
44:35 <Spaceshot> because, unless the table is all munchkin, they usually ruin something, if not all the mod
44:37 <Spaceshot> for others
44:50 <Steven> no, muchkins dont do that
44:58 <Steven> people who dont care to let other people have fun do that
45:31 <Avatar> if I'm GMing for a table of munchkins I'd be inclined to let them win on a cakewalk
45:48 <Avatar> if they want to do it and they have fun with it, fair enough
46:34 <Spaceshot> maybe it's just certain munchkin/min-maxers that ruin it for people
46:41 <Spaceshot> *cough* Matt Goodall *cough*
48:05 <Avatar> I never had a problem with any of matt's characters?
48:51 <Spaceshot> I did in fangwood keep
49:24 <Spaceshot> he has/had a level 5, GMed up to start with this module
49:32 <Spaceshot> that I do not mind (do what you wish with GM credit)
49:44 <Steven> like, even my worst characters are still mechanically sound and have the potential to be exceptionally OP, but i dont go balls out all the time cause its not any fun to steal the entire show.
49:45 <Spaceshot> who was a summoner, with +27 to perception
49:57 <Spaceshot> and a bullshitly OP quadroped
50:11 <Spaceshot> who I think they both also had something like +15 or more to stealth
50:12 <Avatar> how in the hell do you get +27 to perception on a summoner
50:21 <Steven> spaceshot... that is a summoner
50:29 <Spaceshot> yea fuck knows either, he didn't even say it to the others
50:33 <Avatar> it's not even a class skill
50:34 <Steven> they are rediculously powerful.
50:39 <Avatar> oh wait
50:40 <Avatar> synthesist?
50:44 <Spaceshot> he specifically only showed the GM his perception when asked
50:46 <Avatar> no, quadruped
50:52 <Spaceshot> not synth
51:06 <Spaceshot> he was god awful at everything else
51:27 <Spaceshot> had no use besides his shadow panther (thats what he described it as)
52:22 <Spaceshot> the worst part, wasn't even his character
52:25 <Spaceshot> just his attitude
52:41 <Spaceshot> he was like "you're deaf, so why put ranks into perception?"
52:55 <Spaceshot> and also "this is a stealth mission, why aren't you all stealthy characters?"
53:01 <Steven> cause i wanna see shit bitch!
53:08 <Avatar> elixir of stealth
53:18 <Avatar> I just discovered this amazing spell that lets you re-use potions and elixirs
53:22 <Avatar> if you're an alchemist
53:28 <Spaceshot> isn't it level 3 or 4 spell?
53:31 <Steven> yeah, thats been around for a while.
53:33 <Avatar> level 2
53:36 <Steven> alchemical allocation.
53:39 <Avatar> I didn't know about it
53:45 <Avatar> I have burnt quite a bit of cash on elxirs recently
53:49 <Avatar> very underrated items
53:53 <Spaceshot> you have an alch?
53:58 <Avatar> yeah, level 5 now
54:04 <Spaceshot> cool
54:11 <Avatar> just picked up stink bombs
54:15 <Spaceshot> I'm thinking about making an investigator
54:20 <Spaceshot> mainly because I don't like bombs
54:23 <Steven> why would you pick stink bombs?
54:31 <Spaceshot> will be sad about no mutagen though
54:35 <Avatar> nauseated is the best condition in the game to inflict on enemies
54:48 <Spaceshot> mainly because it's hard for someone to be immune to it
55:13 <Avatar> you say that, but in the first game I played, the enemies were immune to it
55:18 <Avatar> also immune to fire
55:24 <Avatar> which left me at a rather large disadvantage
55:45 <Spaceshot> quick Q, 12xp is level 5 right?
56:06 <Avatar> yeah
56:12 <Steven> lots of things season 5 are immune to poison sadly
56:21 <Avatar> oh really
56:31 <Spaceshot> it's as if demons/devils are immune to poison
56:33 <Avatar> I've only just started playing season 5, so I didn't know this
56:52 <Steven> ah, yeah, lots of stuff in season 5 is demons, devils, and the like.
57:04 <Steven> and most of them are immune to poison effects.
57:24 <Spaceshot> outsiders, non-native ones
57:27 <Spaceshot> are immune to poison
57:33 <Steven> and at higher levels the most common enemies are extraplanar creatures.
57:38 <Spaceshot> and gas effects
58:16 <Spaceshot> many people assume that if a gas effect is around, everyone in it is effected
58:20 <Spaceshot> even if they do not need to breath
59:20 <Spaceshot> which does make me a little sad I basically traded Energy Body for a familiar
59:48 <Spaceshot> on my oracle
00:12 <Avatar> I might steer away from season 5
00:18 <Avatar> with that character at least
00:25 <Spaceshot> with your alch?
00:31 <Avatar> he's my only 3-7 character
00:43 <Avatar> almost enough GM credit on my wizard to put him on 3
00:57 <Spaceshot> mmm
01:13 <Spaceshot> I'm very tempted to steer away from shitty group comp with Ava
01:36 <Spaceshot> already died once to it with ava (rezed) and died once with my level 1 to it as well
01:37 <Steven> i like shitty group comps
01:46 <Spaceshot> that's cause you munchkin
01:51 <Steven> means crazy things happen more often as creative solutions must be employed
02:19 <Spaceshot> shitty group comp isn't just the characters at the table, some people are just prone to death
02:58 <Spaceshot> if you're trying to be sneaky
03:04 <Spaceshot> never shout constantly
03:13 <Steven> avatar, have you considered not taking sticky bomb and hitting up a cognoton?
03:28 <Steven> cognatogen?
03:41 <Steven> i think thats right
03:50 <Steven> it increases mental stats instead of physical ones
04:29 <Steven> and at the end you get hit for 2 points of ability damage in the stat you penalize
04:51 <Spaceshot> it's mutagen for mental
05:04 <Avatar> not taking stink bomb you mean
05:05 <Avatar> what is a cognoton
05:22 <Spaceshot> cognatogen = mutatgen for mental stats
05:27 <Spaceshot> works in the same way
05:31 <Avatar> is that a feat or what
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05:38 <Steven> its a discovery
05:48 <Avatar> I'd have to retrain it now
06:02 <Steven> sad pandas
06:03 <Spaceshot> you have played since you leveled?
06:14 <Avatar> yeah I levelled up in the middle of the day at the con
06:20 <Spaceshot> ah
06:34 <Avatar> I didn't know demons were fucking immune to poison until after I tried it
06:47 <Avatar> I didn't even consider that it was a poison effect
06:49 <Spaceshot> isn't that extraplanar 101?
06:57 <Steven> best bomb to use vs demons, is a force bomb or electricity.
07:08 <Spaceshot> or positive if you can
07:11 <Avatar> I don't know man I don't memorise the bestiary
07:12 <Spaceshot> which I don't think is possible
07:21 <Avatar> but apparently I should.
07:23 <Steven> no wait they are immune electricity
07:23 <Spaceshot> it's not a bestiary thing, it's an adventurer thing
07:29 <Steven> its acid they only have resistance to usually
07:31 <Avatar> it is a bestiary thing
07:36 <Spaceshot> technically
07:47 <Spaceshot> but your character should know what is immune to poison
07:54 <Avatar> this is actually the second time this kind of thing has come up
07:57 <Spaceshot> level 4 alchemist (going into 5), it's in their nature
08:10 <Avatar> did you know vermin are immune to sleep effects
08:15 <Steven> yes
08:15 <Spaceshot> sure did
08:20 <Avatar> I sure didn't
08:21 <Spaceshot> I wasted a spell to it
08:26 <Spaceshot> that's how I know now
08:29 <Avatar> doesn't even make sense to me
08:37 <Spaceshot> they're not immune to sleep persay
08:41 <Spaceshot> they're immune to mind effects
08:48 <Spaceshot> which most, if not all, sleep effects are
08:56 <Avatar> why would they even be immune to mind affecting
09:03 <Spaceshot> well not all vermin
09:04 <Steven> no int scores
09:06 <Spaceshot> just the general ones
09:07 <Avatar> they're not undead
09:35 <Avatar> I wouldn't think vermin to be a whole lot different to animals
09:54 <Spaceshot> well I know do scorpions are immune to colour spray
09:58 <Spaceshot> because it's mind effecting
10:37 <Avatar> I wouldn't have even thought of that
10:48 <Avatar> isn't colour spray pattern/illusion
11:09 <Avatar> illusion (pattern[mind-affecting])
11:11 <Avatar> cmon
11:30 <Spaceshot> yup
11:32 <Spaceshot> mind-affecting
11:39 <Spaceshot> a lot of shit are immune to that besides just undead
11:40 <Avatar> every time I've tried to be a little creative, it backfires somehow
11:51 <Avatar> from now on I will just be a damage dealer
12:20 <Spaceshot> it is good to know when your spells will be useful
12:21 <Spaceshot> damage or not
12:45 <Steven> your poison bombs will do decent against the mooks.
13:28 <Avatar> the first time I went to use a stink bomb, I second guessed myself thinking, hang on, I could do an enormous amount of damage here instead of nauseating, shouldn't I just do damage
13:38 <Avatar> and against my better judgement, I used a stink bomb because it was new
13:55 <Avatar> oh hello, you're immune, and so is almost everyone in the area that I'm going to be fighting in all season
14:02 <Spaceshot> and even if you are a damage dealer, you also need to know how feats/spells work too
14:04 <Avatar> I'm glad I took that 
14:20 <Spaceshot> such as spell specialization
14:25 <Spaceshot> !feat spell specialization
14:25 <diebot> Spaceshot, SPELL SPECIALIZATION []Prereq:  Int 13, Spell Focus.  Select one spell. You cast that spell with greater than normal power.
14:25 <diebot> Benefit:  Select one spell of a school for which you have taken the Spell Focus feat. Treat your caster level as being two higher for all level-variable effects of the spell. Every time you gain an even level in the spellcasting class you chose your spell from, you can choose a new spell to replace the spell selected with this feat, and that
14:26 <diebot> spell becomes your specialized spell.
14:26 <diebot> Special:  You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different spell. Source: UM
14:34 <Avatar> I needed to take smoke bombs first before I could take stink bombs, so I've actually been waiting for 2 levels to take it
14:37 <Spaceshot> !spell magic missile
14:37 <diebot> Spaceshot, MAGIC MISSILE evocation ([force]) sorcerer/wizard 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) up to five creatures, no two of which can be more than 15 ft. apart Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
14:38 <diebot> A missile of magical energy darts forth from your fingertip and strikes its target, dealing 1d4+1 points of force damage. The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat, so long as it has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can't be singled out. Objects are not damaged by the spell. For
14:38 <diebot> every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile-two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher. If you shoot multiple missiles, you can have them strike a single creature or several creatures. A single missile can strike only one creature. You must designate targets before you
14:38 <diebot> check for spell resistance or roll damage.
14:41 <Steven> um.... stink bomb does damage methinks.
14:48 <Avatar> stink bomb doesn't damage
14:54 <Avatar> it's just like casting uh
14:56 <Avatar> stinking cloud
15:11 <Steven> no....
15:21 <Steven> you create a bomb and it does an additional effect when it detonates
15:21 <Spaceshot> !discovery stink bomb
15:30 <Spaceshot> I thought he'd have done those by now
15:48 <Avatar> seriously?
15:53 <Avatar> why would you ever cast a normal bomb ever again
16:06 <Spaceshot> because it does less daamge
16:08 <Spaceshot> damage*
16:11 <Spaceshot> to my knowledge
16:20 <Steven> there is no decrease to bomb damage.
16:33 <Avatar> where does it say any of this
16:45 <Steven> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9nvc
16:53 <Spaceshot> Stink bomb*: The effects of the smoke created by an
16:53 <Spaceshot> alchemist’s bomb can duplicate the effects of stinking
16:53 <Spaceshot> cloud instead of fog cloud, filling an area equal to twice
16:53 <Spaceshot> the bomb’s splash radius for 1 round. An alchemist
16:53 <Spaceshot> must possess the smoke bomb discovery before
16:54 <Spaceshot> selecting this discovery
17:00 <Spaceshot> copied from the pdf itself
17:10 <Avatar> right
17:14 <Spaceshot> Smoke bomb*: When the alchemist creates a bomb, he
17:14 <Spaceshot> can choose to have it create a cloud of thick smoke when
17:14 <Spaceshot> it detonates. The cloud functions as fog cloud, filling an
17:15 <Spaceshot> area equal to twice the bomb’s splash radius for 1 round
17:15 <Spaceshot> per level.
17:16 <Avatar> that doesn't say it also deals the damage
17:18 <Spaceshot> and that is smoke bomb
17:31 <Steven> oh my god... click the fuckin link i posted.
17:49 <Avatar> holy hell
17:51 <Spaceshot> neither does this avatar
17:52 <Spaceshot> Acid bomb*: When the alchemist creates a bomb, he can
17:52 <Spaceshot> choose to have it inflict acid damage. Creatures that take a
17:52 <Spaceshot> direct hit from an acid bomb take an additional 1d6 points
17:52 <Spaceshot> of acid damage 1 round later
17:58 <Avatar> fire damage?
18:12 <Steven> it would do the base damage type of the bomb
18:19 <Steven> plus the additional effect.
18:22 <Spaceshot> if acid bomb doesn't state it does initial damage, even though it clearly would
18:27 <Spaceshot> why wouldn't smoke/stink bomb
18:44 <Steven> so it would do xd6+int and apply a stinking cloud
18:48 <Spaceshot> yup
18:55 <Spaceshot> and do you have smoke bomb avatar?
19:33 <Avatar> yes
19:41 <Avatar> [16:14] <Avatar> I needed to take smoke bombs first before I could take stink bombs, so I've actually been waiting for 2 levels to take it
19:51 <Spaceshot> I must have missed that
20:07 <Spaceshot> probably when I was trying to point out how spell spec doesn't work with magic missile in the way people want it to
20:10 <Steven> most of the reason people dont use smoke/stink bomb is the creation of the cloud which hampers people's ability to damage the baddies
20:47 <Avatar> everyone else can go jump in a river
21:15 <Avatar> they can find the nearest body of water and jump right in
21:22 <Steven> well thats not nice.
21:28 <Spaceshot> you're in a team
21:31 <Spaceshot> it's a team game
21:47 <Avatar> then they can team up with me and hit whatever's in the damn smoke cloud
21:48 <Steven> its winter here... i dont want to jump in the river... i would get hypothermia man
22:07 <Spaceshot> isn't smoke cloud concealment in and out?
23:05 <Spaceshot> also, I think there is a thread somewhere, probably old-ish now
23:25 <Spaceshot> that stated which bombs are most effective generalised (as in you don't know what you're facing) and which bombs are best vs certain creatures
23:50 <Steven> force bombs... damage everything equally.. best bomb out there.
23:59 <Spaceshot> best general damage bomb for sure
24:25 <Steven> i should create an alchemist.
24:58 <Spaceshot> I could, but I hate bombs
25:02 <Steven> gettin late int he month...
25:11 <Spaceshot> even though I believe I know how to use them
25:25 <Steven> wonder when they are going to announce sanction for the super module
25:33 <Steven> wanna play it so bads.
25:47 <Spaceshot> I hope ACG has more archetypes for the previous classes
26:27 <Spaceshot> I only want 2, one that makes the alchemist trade their bombs for something besides sneak attack (which is banned)
26:31 <Steven> im thinkin that will be the gencon book i get.
26:53 <Steven> what else do you think they could trade it for?
26:59 <Spaceshot> and an archetype that allows oracles to dip into other mysteries for their revelations
27:11 <Steven> i would not want that one.
27:11 <Spaceshot> probably not getting the free list of spells amongst other things
27:30 <Spaceshot> either a dip, or a duel mystery one
27:38 <Spaceshot> dual*
27:41 <Steven> no... never no thank you.
27:42 <Spaceshot> I can see dual mystery
27:55 <Spaceshot> why not? as a munchkin I thought you'd be cheering for the idea
28:02 <Spaceshot> though I wouldn't really use it munchkinly
28:10 <Steven> no, it makes no sense
28:33 <Spaceshot> neither does wandering spirit for shaman, or even calling the shaman part witch
28:35 <Spaceshot> but they've done it
28:59 <Avatar> do you reckon it's safe to use druid as a synergy rebuild for shaman
29:26 <Steven> not to mention the check they would have to put on it to balance the archetype
29:35 <Steven> -2 will saves would just not be enough.
31:11 <Avatar> I think even after shaman comes out they won't even consider rebuild synergies
32:38 <Avatar> oh yeah, I now have a second race boon that I don't want
32:55 <Steven> whatcha get?
33:21 <Steven> an undine?
33:31 <Spaceshot> what race?
33:37 <Avatar> yeah, undine
33:46 <Spaceshot> water one right?
33:50 <Avatar> yeah
33:53 <Avatar> +dex/wis -str
33:56 <Spaceshot> interesting...
34:07 <Avatar> do you want it
34:08 <Steven> dex based brawler... go go
34:13 <Avatar> no no more characters
34:16 <Avatar> I can't keep up with the ones I have
34:22 <Steven> how many you got?
34:26 <Avatar> 9
34:29 <Steven> pffft
34:30 <Steven> man up
34:33 <Avatar> f off
34:36 <Steven> im sittin at 22
34:48 <Avatar> that whole argument I had with phil last night was thanks to too many characters to track
35:01 <Spaceshot> ok, both of you, how many characters above level 1 do you have
35:04 <Spaceshot> as in, 2 and higher
35:16 <Steven> I have 21 characters above level 2
35:24 <Spaceshot> wow...
35:26 <Spaceshot> why?
35:28 <Avatar> I think all of mine are above level 2 now thanks to first steps GM credit 
35:44 <Avatar> er, above level 1
35:48 <Steven> because i've played everything but the last 2 scenarios they've put out.
35:51 <Avatar> I haven't played some of them
36:08 <Spaceshot> I have played fuck all
36:21 <Spaceshot> but then again, that's what life does to one :P
37:02 <Spaceshot> and the fact that I have way too many hobbies
39:44 <Avatar> it's very time consuming
39:56 <Avatar> I was reminded a while ago that our games used to be only 3 hours long, up to 4 hours
39:57 <Spaceshot> what, pathfinder, life or other hobbies?
40:06 <Avatar> playing scenarios
40:09 <Spaceshot> ah
40:21 <Avatar> when we played d&d, it was 3 hour sessions 
40:30 <Avatar> that was fantastic
40:32 <Spaceshot> not to my recolection
40:38 <Avatar> before your time I think
40:43 <Spaceshot> to my memory any of the ones I joined were like 5-6hrs
40:45 <Avatar> were you here for WLD?
40:57 <Avatar> or LSK
41:07 <Spaceshot> those are the pre-made ones right?
41:10 <Avatar> yeah
41:18 <Spaceshot> nope, do not believe I participated in those
41:55 <Avatar> yeah 6 hours eats me alive, especially if I play frequently
42:07 <Spaceshot> I don't mind 6hrs in person
42:24 <Spaceshot> if the people there are fun to play with (usually most are, but there are some shitty days)
42:28 <Avatar> yeah playing in person on sunday broke me
42:37 <Avatar> I think something happened where I felt like I was about to pass out
42:43 <Avatar> just due to fatigue
42:46 <Spaceshot> mmm
42:57 <Spaceshot> yea that's why I didn't end up playing the last day last year
42:57 <Avatar> and I pushed through it and yesterday and today I've felt a bit garbage
42:58 <Steven> Played a PFS game the other day was 2.5 hours long.
43:03 <Steven> no deaths.
43:09 <Avatar> that's an exception to the rule
43:12 <Spaceshot> munchkin all the way?
43:33 <Avatar> playing library of the lion for me was 4 hours
43:39 <Avatar> we weren't rushing it either
43:53 <Avatar> I think it was similar when I ran it on friday
43:57 <Steven> you're entirely too fixated on munchkins space.
44:12 <Spaceshot> meh, if something is out of the norm due to speed or ease
44:17 <Spaceshot> I believe munchkining is to blame
44:20 <Spaceshot> be it good or bad
44:59 <Spaceshot> though avatar, I think I didn't go to the sunday at whatever it was last year (seriously forgot that weekend con's name)
45:09 <Avatar> unicon
45:12 <Steven> exactly, fixated.  you should try to not be a hater of others preferred method of playing unless it specifically interacts with your ability to have fun.
45:21 <Spaceshot> because I did fangwood keep, with Matt Goodall (just ticks me off) in one day
45:23 <Avatar> you missed a world of death
45:28 <Avatar> be grateful
45:33 <Spaceshot> steven, so far it has
45:37 <Avatar> I don't think I'm playing a special ever again
45:40 <Spaceshot> thus my distaste for them
46:00 <Avatar> I like the design, but the difficulty is off the charts
46:18 <Steven> well, we're fighting demons now...
46:20 <Spaceshot> though it isn't always the munckined character that ticks me off, but the player behind it can be pompus/elitist
46:28 <Avatar> what were they thinking not putting in 4 player scaling
46:35 <Avatar> and adding mythics
46:49 <Spaceshot> wait what? mythics?
46:58 <Steven> probably thought no one would sit down to a table of 4 at a special.
47:08 <Steven> i know i wouldnt have seated that.
47:14 <Avatar> well obviously that's wrong
47:32 <Spaceshot> not every con has enough players to play 6 a table for specials
47:58 <Steven> my table at gencon had serious troubles with a Mythic Vrock.
48:08 <Steven> because only one person was smart enough to have a means of flying.
48:18 <Spaceshot> what level bracket?
48:36 <Steven> i think it was 8-9 or 10-11, dont really recall.
48:51 <Spaceshot> don't most people have a means of flight by then?
48:58 <Spaceshot> or at least extremely long ranged attack otherwise?
49:18 <Steven> most people are smart enough to have a means of flight by level 5-7
49:46 <Avatar> in australia it's quite common not to get 6 player tables
49:46 <Spaceshot> just because someone does not, does not make them not smart
49:54 <Avatar> other regions must have it the same way
50:07 <Avatar> we certainly didn't get told there was no scaling in it
50:23 <Avatar> I don't know how I would have reacted to that news because it's unheard of
50:44 <Steven> no... they were dumb
50:45 <Avatar> I probably would have mistakenly put my faith that paizo would have thought that through
50:51 <Steven> cause i dropped hints.
51:20 <Spaceshot> having the ability to buy flight or similar abilities and knowing it's coming
51:29 <Spaceshot> and not having it to start with because you've not needed it yet
51:31 <Spaceshot> are 2 different things
52:06 <Steven> well, i can see why they didnt put in 4 player scaling in a special
52:37 <Steven> cause they would need 7 different scalings.
52:47 <Steven> per fight
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53:13 <Steven> thats a lot of additional material that would need printing
54:01 <Steven> so they would have to cut pages from the special.
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58:35 <Spaceshot> all the hunter needs is the ability to gain favoured terrain, and it can go so smoothly into nature warden
58:58 <Avatar> how have they handled it in the past
59:04 <Avatar> to go from 4 to 6 players?
59:17 <Spaceshot> because otherwise it needs to take a dip into Horizon walker (since it can't dip ranger) to go warden
59:24 <Brunius> Oh jesus
59:28 <Brunius> Who invited this joker back
59:30 <Brunius> :P
59:35 <Avatar> you mean you
59:38 <Spaceshot> I know, who did invite the Brunius kid back in
59:48 <Avatar> someone get this joker out of here
00:00 <Steven> my fault
00:52 <Spaceshot> just curious, but if my familiar is hidden away on someone (under their cloak or whatever) and that person is hit by an area attack
00:59 <Spaceshot> is the familar also caught?
01:01 <Spaceshot> if so, what happens
01:37 <Steven> yes familiar also caught
01:48 <Steven> they roll their save
01:50 <Spaceshot> mmk
02:03 <Steven> if its reflex they get to apply familiars evasion ability
02:10 <Spaceshot> yea thought so
02:27 <Spaceshot> just wondering about what I should look out for with my Life Oracle's Familiar
04:43 <Steven> how ya get your familiar?
04:53 <Spaceshot> 2 feats
05:13 <Spaceshot> skill focus (knowledge(religion)) and eldrtich heritage(arcane)
05:14 <Steven> from the faiths and philosophies?
05:25 <Spaceshot> from either APG or UM
05:35 <Steven> oh im thinking animal companion
05:37 <Steven> blah....
05:50 <Spaceshot> I could have gotten an animal companion the same way
06:00 <Spaceshot> but my level would have been character level -3 for it
06:06 <Spaceshot> and I don't need a companion
06:42 <Steven> i dont think there is an animal companion i'd want for an oracle really.
07:07 <Spaceshot> exactly
07:20 <Spaceshot> unless I was being cheesy and made a lame nature oracle
07:42 <Spaceshot> + when I hit 7 (currently 5) I can take imp familiar
10:48 <Spaceshot> damn, what was that website that is like d20pfsrd.com but it started with an A, had a black background and had a symbol next to something if it was PFS legal?
13:37 <Steven> i think im going to make a Nature Oracle/Mammoth Rider
14:05 <Spaceshot> don't they need a good BAB as a prereq?
14:39 <Steven> nah, 6 bab 9 ranks
14:47 <Steven> which oracle gets at level 9
14:54 <Spaceshot> ah mmk
14:58 <Spaceshot> thought the BAB was higher
19:29 <Steven> im thinking gnome.
19:37 <Spaceshot> ...
23:02 <Steven> 14/14/12/10/10/16
23:35 <Spaceshot> 12 con for a frontline d8HD?
23:50 <Brunius> what could go wrong?
24:53 <Steven> who said im going frontline
25:02 <Steven> that is just insane.
25:54 <Steven> ranged all day man.
26:02 <Spaceshot> so you're abusing the prestige?
26:07 <Spaceshot> just to get a massive mammoth
26:08 <Steven> no
26:40 <Steven> why would it be abusive to throw javalins at people from the top of a huge sized wolf?
26:52 <Spaceshot> that's not the abusive part
27:10 <Spaceshot> the abusive part would be you doing your ranged attacks whilst huge wolf charges in
27:40 <Steven> thats just stupid... that would take my 12con gnome into melee combat
28:01 <Spaceshot> you don't get the abusive part, you wouldn't be on said wolf
28:31 <Steven> then how exactly would i be able to run away from things that get close to me?
28:37 <Spaceshot> nvm
29:16 <Steven> see... you're way too fixated on munchkins.
29:49 <Spaceshot> what? munchkins, min-maxers and abusers are all different things
29:54 <Spaceshot> people just think they're all the same
30:53 <Avatar> I have recently tried to get all my characters onto 16 con, minimum 14
31:00 <Avatar> rather than 14, minimum 12
31:01 <Spaceshot> haha, so paranoid
31:11 <Avatar> I don't value dex as much anymore
31:27 <Avatar> I used to drink up all the dex
31:44 <Avatar> AC, initiative, reflex, good skills
31:50 <Avatar> ranged attacks, all great stuff
31:54 <Spaceshot> dex is only good in the low levels unless you wish to utilize it as either damage output (attacks) or defense
31:55 <Avatar> but oh the con
32:09 <Avatar> yeah con is always useful, and dex becomes a little redundant
32:27 <Avatar> at higher levels that extra con becomes better, arguably
32:47 <Steven> walter has a character with an effective hp of like 289
32:47 <Avatar> reflex isn't an argument for dex anymore after you consider fort saves for con
32:55 <Avatar> no he doesn't
33:04 <Avatar> unless he is like level 15
33:09 <Avatar> or 20
33:16 <Steven> nope, level 11 now i think
33:20 <Avatar> where is walter anyway
33:28 <Avatar> he said he wanted to play online and he wanted your help
33:30 <Avatar> but he is not here
33:32 <Steven> sleeping.
33:36 <Steven> he works in the morning
33:37 <Avatar> but he is never here
33:44 <Avatar> he came in once and then did a runner
33:55 <Steven> probably because we havent had any games scheduled
33:57 <Avatar> if I didn't know better I would say he doesn't even like pathfinder
34:12 <Spaceshot> effective meh, I don't count mutagen and/or rage as HP
34:15 <Avatar> we have had games scheduled
34:21 <Spaceshot> you'll die once it's over if it gets that bad
34:22 <Avatar> I ran storming the diamond gate
34:32 <Steven> which we've already both played and GM'd
34:33 <Avatar> in roll20 no less to try and get more people on board
34:50 <Avatar> he can't be choosy if he's not going to hang about
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41:00 <Steven> i know rukk has like 190hp before raging and without using diehard and what not to stay concious
41:15 <Brunius> uh oh
41:21 <Brunius> four fire engines just rushed down my road
41:33 <Brunius> and I can hear more sirens in the distance
41:33 <Steven> hes got a con of around 35
41:49 <Spaceshot> and I'm guessing level 8 at least, so at least 20 base con (before or after con bonuses due to level) + 4 for belt
41:58 <Steven> a boon that increases that by 7
42:08 <Spaceshot> what boon?
42:21 <Steven> and then rages for +8
42:26 <Spaceshot> and how do you get 35 con?
42:40 <Steven> you wouldnt like hearing about it, its janky
42:49 <Spaceshot> if I do not hear how it is done
42:52 <Spaceshot> I do not believe
42:57 <Steven> so yeah around 250hp
43:24 <Steven> walter was playing a new character the other day, and got hit for 11 hp and he was like okay no problem
43:44 <Steven> and then he was like "Oh shit im bloodied... fuck i've been spoiled by Rukk!"
43:58 <Spaceshot> I doubt there is a boon that gives +7 con
44:02 <Steven> it was fantastic
44:03 <Spaceshot> that would be stupid
44:08 <Steven> it doesnt give 7 con
44:47 <Steven> i didnt put it properly, +7 con to determine when you die when unconcious
44:54 <Spaceshot> ah
45:04 <Spaceshot> and bloodied... hahaha 4th ed player
45:34 <Spaceshot> now I can understand more about the roots of the munchkin/min-maxer
45:42 <Steven> we say stuff like that instead of telling people i'm 7/28 hit points.
46:09 <Spaceshot> I know why people say it
46:25 <Spaceshot> I'm just saying the notion, at least that specific one to express that you're bellow half
46:27 <Spaceshot> came from 4th ed
46:53 <Steven> his character is just fantastic
47:05 <Spaceshot> cheesy isn't exactly fantastic
47:07 <Steven> we have such great table interactions
47:42 <Spaceshot> I am surprised people can see the fun in cake walking
48:09 <Steven> his character rukk and my character Ahtuz bonded over a meal of dwarf when we both went evil...
48:11 <Steven> fun times.
48:49 <Steven> and then rukk married our friend Trone's Stripper rogue
49:06 <Spaceshot> I am doubt this is pfs
49:23 <Steven> and got divorced in the same scenario when trone tried to seduce some information out of an NPC
49:56 <Steven> rukk got depressed and tried to kill himself
50:11 <Steven> took a piece of wood and stabbed it through his neck
50:42 <Steven> did like 12 damage after damage reduction and didnt roll a natural 1
50:56 <Steven> so he just pulled the wood out
51:05 <Steven> and went on a drinkin binge for the rest of the scenario
51:44 <Steven> and no this is all PFS, this is pfs in Pullman.
51:58 <Steven> we've got some amazing roleplayers
52:20 <Spaceshot> roleplaying is one thing
52:28 <Spaceshot> taking things completely of course to do so is another
52:48 <Spaceshot> + the group of people I would like to play with regularly, do not play regularly
53:27 <Spaceshot> so in a pug it's quite harder to have good roleplaying situations
53:51 <Steven> solution, come play in pullman, you will has fun.
54:32 <Spaceshot> I'd prefer not to play with munchkins/min-maxers/whatnot, I just do not enjoy making characters that way
54:38 <Spaceshot> or at least playing those characters that I do make
56:33 <Steven> alright, well if you wanna pass judgement on people without ever playing with them you can be a negative nancy where you are... cause thats all im hearing from you.
56:37 <Spaceshot> + you know, the whole having to live in america thing isn't that easy for me atm :P
56:56 <Spaceshot> I am not being judgemental, I am working from experience
57:18 <Spaceshot> and experience says that munchkins do not make for good gameplay unless all are so
58:09 <Steven> a black guy stole my wallet and beat the shit out of me when i was five through fourteen... so all black guys beat children and are thieves... 
58:32 <Spaceshot> not saying that
58:33 <Steven> im just working from experience here.
58:40 <Spaceshot> I'm just being weery
58:47 <Spaceshot> as you would too
59:21 <Spaceshot> you'd be cautious, and maybe even racistly suspicious of them (though justified)
59:28 <Spaceshot> but wouldn't just outright hate them all
59:51 <Spaceshot> neither do I about those who like to squeeze out as much efficiency as they can from their character
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25:43 <Steven> prejudice is prejudice, and your dislike for past munchkins you've run into is coloring your experience of those people you dont even know.
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33:44 <Spaceshot> I know that I wish to have fun
34:13 <Spaceshot> and if someone, or multiple people are quashing my fun, be it annoying people, munchkins, rule-nazis or something else
34:21 <Spaceshot> I do not wish to be a part of it
38:42 <Spaceshot> !feat Eldritch Claws
38:43 <diebot> Spaceshot, ELDRITCH CLAWS [Combat]Prereq:  Str 15, natural weapons, base attack bonus +6.  Who needs magic weapons? Eldritch tricks are no match for your bestial ferocity.
38:43 <diebot> Benefit:  You natural weapons are considered both magic and silver for purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Source: APG
39:00 <Spaceshot> !feat Multiattack
39:00 <diebot> Spaceshot, PACK ATTACK [Combat, Teamwork] You are skilled at surrounding your enemies. Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1. Benefit: When you are adjacent to an ally with this feat, the first time you melee attack an opponent, you can spend an immediate action to take a 5-foot step, even if you have otherwise moved this round. Normal: You can take a
39:00 <diebot> 5-foot step only if you have not otherwise moved in a round.
39:01 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
49:39 <Spaceshot> wow teamwork feats are lack luster
50:17 <Steven> there are a few that are pretty good
50:24 <Spaceshot> such as?
50:30 <Steven> amplified rage
50:52 <Spaceshot> anything good for a hunter?
51:30 <Steven> target of opportunity
51:50 <Steven> in PFS they are lackluster because you wont always play with a person unless great pains are taken
51:50 <Spaceshot> how does that help?
52:01 <Spaceshot> !feat target of opportunity
52:01 <diebot> Spaceshot, TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY [Combat, Teamwork] You and your allies pelt your enemies with a deadly barrage of missiles.  Prerequisites: Point-Blank Shot, base attack bonus +6. Benefit: When an ally who also has this feat makes a ranged attack and hits an opponent within 30 feet of you, you can spend an immediate action to make a single ranged
52:02 <diebot> attack against that opponent. Your ranged weapon must be in hand, loaded, and ready to be fired or thrown for you to make the ranged attack. 
52:02 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
52:19 <Spaceshot> hunters get free teamwork feats and share them with their compainion
52:53 <Steven> get a camel animal companion
52:59 <Steven> it has a spit attack
53:34 <Spaceshot> that is just awful
54:05 <Spaceshot> a few of these are good if you're intending to play your hunter melee
56:36 <Spaceshot> at least the teamwork feat option allows you change the feat a number of times a day
56:58 <Spaceshot> I get the feeling the hunter is best played as a support character to the companion
57:09 <Spaceshot> but more so than just spell casting, supporting with melee and ranged attacks as well
57:31 <Steven> alright!
57:40 <Spaceshot> ?
57:41 <Steven> got my character idea for warden of the reborn forge
22:22 <Avatar> that feat is pretty alright
22:38 <Avatar> oh wait, teamwork
22:40 <Avatar> do you both need it
22:52 <Steven> yes, you both need it... unless you are an inquisitor
23:02 <Steven> then only you need it.
23:05 <Avatar> my gunslinger is also an inquisitor
23:10 <Steven> so is mine
23:21 <Avatar> I haven't quite worked out how the teamwork feat thing works yet though
23:53 <Steven> except mine is a preacher
24:04 <Steven> so i can reroll misses.
34:09 <Avatar> mine is a spellbreak
34:11 <Avatar> er
34:13 <Avatar> so I can break spells
34:23 <Steven> that is a good archetype as well
35:01 <Avatar> I want to work out how much a proper emergency kit would cost
35:11 <Avatar> something to get past darkness, grapples, etc
35:15 <Avatar> flight
35:40 <Steven> lots of items can help with that stuff
35:52 <Avatar> yeah but there's no good comparison anywhere
36:08 <Avatar> a bag of the cheapest stuff
36:10 <Avatar> the best value stuff
36:23 <Avatar> an oil of daylight at 300gp can be hefty in the early levels
36:47 <Avatar> what % do you dedicate to consumables
37:17 * Steven shrugs
39:03 <Steven> hmmmm... cant decide if i wanna do animal ally or just get the bonded animal
46:39 <Steven> hmmm prolly just gonna go with bonded animal
51:06 <Mekkis> who mentioned my name?
51:59 * Steven shrugs
52:34 <Mekkis> it was Avatar
53:38 <Mekkis> getting past grapples is expensive
53:46 <Mekkis> I think the cheapest is around 8k
55:54 <Mekkis> !item Corset Of The Vishkanya
55:55 <diebot> Mekkis, CORSET OF THE VISHKANYA [faint transmutation] CL:3 body 3000gp, 1lb
55:56 <diebot> This black corset fits neatly beneath armor. As a free action, the wearer can compress herself to fit through tight spaces as though affected by a squeeze spell (Advanced Race Guide) for up to 10 rounds per day. While using the corset's magic, she gains a +5 bonus on Escape Artist checks. Source: Ultimate Equipment
56:14 <Mekkis> !item Vest Of Escape
56:15 <diebot> Mekkis, VEST OF ESCAPE [faint conjuration and transmutation] CL:4 chest 5200gp, 0lb
56:15 <diebot> This simple silk vest looks nondescript, but is actually studded with numerous secret pockets sewn into its lining. Hidden inside these are magic lockpicks that provide a +4 competence bonus on Disable Device checks. The vest also grants its wearer a +6 competence bonus on Escape Artist checks. Source: Ultimate Equipment
56:57 <Mekkis> !item Highwayman's Cape
56:58 <diebot> Mekkis, HIGHWAYMAN'S CAPE [faint transmutation] CL:5 shoulders 32500gp, 1lb
56:58 <diebot> This reversible multicolored cape marks the wearer's flamboyant audacity when turned with its bright colors outward, granting a +5 competence bonus on Bluff checks. Reversible as a move action, the dappled camouflage of its other side grants a +5 competence bonus on Stealth checks. Furthermore, the wearer is subject to a constant effect like that
56:58 <diebot> of the spell liberating command (Ultimate Combat) regardless of the cape's current facing. Source: Ultimate Equipment
57:52 <Mekkis> that's really good or completely useless
58:20 <Steven> probably the best way is an unfettered shirt
58:29 <Mekkis> !item unfettered shirt
58:31 <diebot> Mekkis, UNFETTERED SHIRT [moderate abjuration and transmutation] CL:7 chest 10000gp, 0lb
58:31 <diebot> This loose, often ruffled, shirt is cut in a style designed to avoid hindering its wearer's movement. Once per day on command, the wearer can gain the benefits of freedom of movement for 10 minutes. Source: Ultimate Equipment
59:35 <Mekkis> Boots of escape is cheaper
02:27 <Spaceshot> avatar, hunters get their teamwork feat/s shared with their companion
02:45 <Steven> i like my spider climb boots
03:06 <Steven> or shoes of the lightning leeper
03:24 <Steven> get out of grapple and do damage... sure that sounds good
04:12 <Spaceshot> Teamwork Feat: At 3rd level and every three levels
04:12 <Spaceshot> thereafter, the hunter gains a bonus teamwork feat in
04:12 <Spaceshot> addition to those gained from normal advancement. The
04:12 <Spaceshot> hunter must meet the prerequisites of the selected bonus
04:12 <Spaceshot> feat.
04:13 <Spaceshot> As a standard action, the hunter can choose to learn
04:15 <Spaceshot> a new bonus teamwork feat in place of the most recent
04:17 <Spaceshot> bonus teamwork feat she has already learned. In effect,
04:19 <Spaceshot> the hunter loses the bonus feat in exchange for the new
04:21 <Spaceshot> one. She can only change the most recent teamwork
04:23 <Spaceshot> feat gained, and must meet the prerequisites for the
04:25 <Spaceshot> newly selected feat. A hunter can change her most recent
04:27 <Spaceshot> teamwork feat a number of times per day equal to her
04:29 <Spaceshot> Wisdom modifier. Whenever she gains a new teamwork
04:31 <Spaceshot> feat, the previous teamwork feat becomes permanent.
04:54 <Spaceshot> good ability, but so many teamwork feats require either both melee or both ranged
09:16 <Mekkis> would Inquisitor's Bastion Vambraces grant double the bonus to CMD?
15:33 <Steven> no, why would it?
15:43 <Mekkis> !item Inquisitor's Bastion Vambrac
15:44 <diebot> Mekkis, INQUISITOR'S BASTION VAMBRACES [faint abjuration] CL:5 wrists 4000gp, 3lb
15:45 <diebot> Constructed of blackened steel, these vambraces augment the protection granted to the inquisitor by the protection judgment. While under that judgment's effects, the inquisitor gains a sacred bonus both to CMD and on checks made to cast spells defensively. This bonus is equal to the sacred bonus the judgement grants to AC. Source: Ultimate
15:45 <diebot> Equipment
16:03 <Mekkis> because the protection judgement grants a bonus to AC
16:10 <Mekkis> which would also go to CMD
19:05 <Steven> its the same source, so why would it stack?
19:28 <Mekkis> if it doesn't, the item seems pretty useless
19:52 <Steven> not all items are created equal
21:05 <Mekkis> if it doesn't, why mention the bonus to CMD at all
21:29 <Steven> well...
21:36 <Steven> if you're an evil inquisitor
21:52 <Steven> nope still shit
22:04 <Mekkis> so it stacks if you're evil?
22:24 <Steven> maybe the inquisitor sacred bonus was not originally intended to increase CMD
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51:18 <Steven> playing me some banner saga
49:02 <Damalon01> im thinking about getting that game, any goodd?
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