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09:11:15 <Avatar> mekkis are you around
09:11:17 <Avatar> I have a question for you
09:11:22 <Mekkis> oh no
09:11:36 <Mekkis> does it involve PFS?
09:11:46 <Avatar> it does and it involves ethics breaking
09:11:55 <Mekkis> ethics breaking?
09:11:57 <Mekkis> don't do it
09:12:09 <Avatar> if I was wearing a pathfinder shirt bought from paizo.com, but not a legal PFS shirt
09:12:21 <Avatar> do you think it would be terrible to try and use it to trick a GM for a reroll
09:12:25 <Avatar> knowing I've already got a PFS legal shirt
09:12:56 <Avatar> I feel like this is a bit borderline
09:13:47 <Avatar> what do you think
09:15:40 <Yiroep> LOL
09:15:52 <Avatar> what do you think Yiroep
09:16:39 <Avatar> I'm getting the vibe that everyone is okay with it but doesn't want to answer openly !
09:17:10 <Yiroep> As a VL, I can't approve...but....
09:17:15 <Yiroep> I will say that you did support Paizo....
09:17:17 <Yiroep> If you get my jist.
09:17:23 <Avatar> I didn't know you were a VL
09:17:33 <Yiroep> Recent thing.
09:17:45 <Avatar> I have seen VO's that can talk about this kind of thing and say it's all good
09:17:48 <Avatar> quite comfortably
09:18:00 <Avatar> I understand your position, just make sure the person understands and doesn't over-abuse
09:18:18 <Yiroep> I can tell you at my table it would be fine. You supported Paizo. In my eyes, that's good enough.
09:18:21 <Avatar> I don't think it helps PFS culture to avoid talking about this and avoiding commonsense leniencies
09:18:26 <Yiroep> I don't think I should tell you what shirt you should buy.
09:18:44 <Avatar> the one I bought is a we be goblins shirt that could easily be mistaken for another one
09:19:09 <Avatar> for some crazy reason, it's not legal yet and paizo has given no indiciations that it will be
09:19:28 <Avatar> but all things considered, as a GM, I would feel ridiculously stupid not allowing it
09:19:29 <Yiroep> Who knows. I certainly don't. :p
09:19:40 <Avatar> and yet people don't feel like they can talk about it
09:20:04 <Avatar> anyway thanks for the input
09:20:07 <Avatar> I gotta head to work
09:20:10 <Yiroep> I will tell you....at least locally around here...no one talks about it, but people allow it.
09:20:16 <Yiroep> So you're probably right.
09:20:17 <Avatar> it's the same here
09:20:42 <Yiroep> But I mean...*ahem*...I totally don't approve. *wint*
09:20:43 <Yiroep> wink*
09:20:43 <Avatar> the thing is some communities clearly have no idea
09:20:48 <Avatar> and go by the strictest rule
09:21:11 <Avatar> it's not fair on them to pretend it's completely un-okay
09:21:25 <Avatar> gg
09:21:59 <Yiroep> It's their right to do so, technically. By the rules, they can refuse, so if someone says "no," you have to accept it. I haven't seen anyone yet, at least in my experience, that has done that, though.
09:24:05 <Yiroep> Anytime, it's time to go home for me. :p
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09:59:44 <Mekkis> Avatar, it's your ethics
09:59:53 <Mekkis> there is no Pathfinder Society Code of Ethics
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10:25:11 <Philderbeast> January 2014clear
10:25:13 <Philderbeast> clear
10:25:15 <Philderbeast> crap
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11:34:33 <andrey> hello!
11:34:51 <andrey> may I play new adventure path?
11:35:20 <Steven> which one?
11:35:35 <andrey> isn't there one starting now?
11:35:40 <andrey> if so that one
11:35:47 <andrey> serpents skull I think it was
11:46:45 <Avatar> that is supposed to be starting in 15 minutes
11:46:48 <Avatar> is brunius around
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11:47:09 <Avatar> Mekkis: there are the rules
11:47:17 <Avatar> the ethics I'm talking about are how strictly they should be abided by
11:47:17 <andrey> ?
11:47:26 <Avatar> what's your question
11:47:43 <andrey> may I play? what are the rules?
11:48:30 <Avatar> you're a bit late showing up within half an hour of the first session to find out how to get started
11:48:42 <Avatar> it might be okay if the whole game is delayed though
11:49:04 <andrey> ok
11:49:43 <andrey> what do I have to do to get started?
11:50:55 <Avatar> check the campaign page, and check in with Brunius
11:52:20 <andrey> !throw 4d6
11:52:21 <diebot> andrey, 4d6: [4d6=5,5,5,4] 19
11:53:02 <andrey> wait, what
11:53:16 <andrey> how do I roll 4d6 for stats if I have 6 stats?
11:53:43 <Avatar> type !vchargen
11:53:52 <andrey> !vchargen
11:53:53 <diebot> andrey, 14(3,5,5,4), 12(3,2,5,4), 11(2,3,2,6), 16(4,6,5,5), 12(1,4,2,6), 10(4,1,5,1)
11:54:00 <Avatar> that's your first set of rolls
11:54:10 <Avatar> you either take those, or do it again and lose those rolls and take the second set
11:54:14 <Avatar> you don't get a third reroll
11:54:38 <Avatar> that is a pretty "safe" set of rolls you have there
12:05:11 <andrey> brb
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12:07:55 <andrey> Brunius, please mention me when campaign stars
12:07:58 <andrey> *starts
12:11:08 <andrey> !vchargen
12:11:09 <diebot> andrey, 17(6,6,5,5), 8(2,2,1,4), 11(6,2,3,1), 16(6,4,4,6), 8(2,1,1,5), 12(2,6,2,4)
12:16:22 <Avatar> does anyone know if brunius changed the time of the game
12:16:39 <Avatar> oh wait, der, it's tomorrow!
12:17:07 <Avatar> andrey: did you look at the schedule
12:17:09 <Avatar> on the site
12:17:20 <andrey> hmm
12:17:38 <andrey> stupid time zones
12:17:46 <andrey> I thought you australians were a day ahead
12:18:23 <Avatar> we are
12:18:28 <Avatar> where are you located
12:18:43 <andrey> gmt+4
12:18:50 <Avatar> not quite a day ahead of you
12:18:55 <Avatar> +11 here
12:19:01 <andrey> yeah I just moved in from gmt-8
12:19:06 <Avatar> once you're logged into the site, it shows your local time
12:19:07 <andrey> still not quite adjusted
12:19:13 <Avatar> always log in
12:19:28 <andrey> is herolab good?
12:20:05 <Avatar> no not really
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12:21:19 <Wrothmonk> isn't the first session supposed to be tommorow not tonight?
12:21:26 <andrey> yes
12:21:37 <Avatar> yeah I lost the plot
12:21:53 * Wrothmonk scrolls back down
12:22:00 <Avatar> I am sort of not really working today so I thought it saturday!
12:22:12 <andrey> what's bad about it?
12:22:16 <Wrothmonk> We've all been thrown off apparently.
12:22:28 <Avatar> herolab makes you lazy, to begin with
12:22:39 <Avatar> it gives you wrong numbers and rules occasionally
12:22:53 <Avatar> and if you need a text stat block, it's messy
12:23:27 <Avatar> it is "easy" though, and it can eliminate human error
12:24:24 <andrey> ok, I'll use it to initially generate my stuff, then double-check everything and use paper to play?
12:25:40 <andrey> The most appealing thing imo is that if your ability score changes, with hero lab you don't have to go through all the paperwork for your other stuff to change
12:25:45 <Avatar> brunius did say he wanted the character sheet to be on the site
12:26:06 <andrey> what format?
12:26:17 <Avatar> click on Account or Upload Sheet and it will start you off
12:26:28 <Avatar> under the Create Character section
12:28:57 <andrey> wish there was an option in herolab to display all the math behind a number
12:29:34 <andrey> is there? seems like something that would be asked for
12:29:45 <Avatar> basically you have to end up doing it yourself anyway
12:30:06 <Avatar> defeating the purpose of herolab, unless you don't check it yourself, in which case you're hoping it makes less mistakes than you do
12:30:30 <andrey> I think that having two people check the math is better than one
12:30:48 <Avatar> can't fault you there
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12:33:16 <Damalon01> hi
12:33:29 <Wrothmonk> hello
12:33:41 <Avatar> mr D
12:33:52 <Avatar> what happened with SS
12:34:03 <Avatar> don't know if you got my message
12:34:19 <Damalon01> nah i dont think i got your message
12:34:28 <Avatar> how come you decided to bail
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12:34:58 <Damalon01> i just got your mesage. lol.
12:35:24 <Damalon01> its not because of my schedule
12:36:48 <Damalon01> i felt that the group doesnt need me, that my character sucks compared to the Ninja and that my role playing style is a bit too different to the rest of you guys
12:37:07 <Wrothmonk> I just rolled high man
12:37:17 <Damalon01> thus i suck, you rock
12:37:24 <Damalon01> pretty simple
12:37:31 <Avatar> crisis of character
12:37:38 <Avatar> everyone had those days
12:37:42 <Avatar> has*
12:40:08 <Damalon01> i geuss so
12:40:20 <Avatar> except mekkis
12:40:23 <Avatar> he doesn't have those days
12:40:28 <Wrothmonk> I'm just saying, I think compared to my ninja most of the other characters suck as well. But I can understand the rest of your points though.
12:40:51 <Wrothmonk> brb.
12:43:45 <Damalon01> if the rest of the characters suck compared to the Ninja I think they should all be scrapped. The only reason he needs them is to take damage instead of him.
12:43:58 <Avatar> it seems like everyone is going for lower-powered characters
12:44:06 <Avatar> well, steven and mekkis are
12:44:50 <Damalon01> Steven had little choice, he rolled so badly
12:45:10 <andrey> should I dump str or con?
12:45:32 <andrey> maybe wis
12:45:42 <Avatar> yeah
12:45:48 <Avatar> never dump con
12:45:53 <Avatar> dumping con is a death wish
12:46:12 <Damalon01> lol dump Con if it suits your concept
12:46:24 <andrey> I tend to play squishy sorcerers
12:46:58 <Damalon01> personally i despise seeing every damned character with 12+ con
12:47:07 <andrey> wisdom is will save and what else?
12:47:17 <Damalon01> perception skill
12:47:19 <andrey> I get will save from my class
12:47:26 <andrey> and alertness from familiar
12:47:52 <Damalon01> yeah youll suck at perception anyways
12:48:11 <andrey> even with 16 wis?
12:49:05 <Damalon01> if youre a sorcerer wwith 16 wis youll be good at Per at first but by 10 level youll be behind, average if you buy it crossclass
12:49:43 <Damalon01> Rangers and Druids are the kings of Perception IMO
12:50:12 <andrey> ok
12:50:39 <andrey> so I'm leaning towards str 11 dex 12 con 8 int 6 wis 8 cha 17
12:50:48 <andrey> er, int 16
12:56:22 <Wrothmonk> and back
12:57:31 <Wrothmonk> int 6? isn't that like 2 points away from not even being able to speak? lol
12:57:43 <Avatar> 4 points away
12:58:09 <Avatar> I think int might be the stat where if you're going to dump it, you dump it all the way
12:58:16 <andrey> int 16!
12:58:20 <Wrothmonk> we know.
12:58:20 <andrey> I want mah skills
12:58:25 * Wrothmonk is just poking fun
12:58:41 <andrey> this is third party but looks really cool
12:58:41 <andrey> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-3rd-party-publishers/super-genius-games---sorcerer-bloodlines/skyborne-bloodline
12:58:50 <andrey> would I be able to use it?
13:04:03 <Avatar> unlikely
13:04:10 <Avatar> check with brunius though
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13:28:37 <Damalon01> im out. seeya.
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13:45:50 <Avatar> trust Tashes
13:46:09 Tashes is now known as NotTashes
13:46:14 <Avatar> who's that!
13:46:23 <NotTashes> Yes, you should. I hear she is a very trustworthy person
13:46:27 <Avatar> and what have you done with her
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14:53:05 <andrey> Brunius|M, may I use a third party bloodline?
14:53:09 <andrey> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-3rd-party-publishers/super-genius-games---sorcerer-bloodlines/skyborne-bloodline
14:53:18 <andrey> I really want to be an air magic guy
15:02:58 <andrey> focused on movement
15:03:16 <andrey> the elemental bloodline is blasting+summoning
15:03:23 <andrey> with only one movement element, at high levels
15:05:02 <andrey> and the djinni bloodline is too wishy washy
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17:21:31 <Mekkis> wow
17:21:33 <Mekkis> connect spam
17:22:55 <Steven> suuuuuuuup
17:23:40 <Steven> mmmmmmm spiced rum pears
17:23:44 <Mekkis> I'm wondering how serious Brock was about canning online play
17:24:05 <Brunius> I'm wondering why you care
17:25:07 <Mekkis> because I don't think Brock is THAT stupid
17:26:24 <Wrothmonk> whats this about canning online play?
17:28:36 <Wrothmonk> ah I see the problem.
17:31:13 <Wrothmonk> although I don't really see how that stems from online play specifically. Any GM with a computer could make one of those custom chronicle sheets and just print them out for their game like any other.
17:33:48 <Mekkis> it's like WotC ceasing selling PDFs because of piracy
17:36:41 <Wrothmonk> Ah.
17:36:58 <Wrothmonk> I see why you're wondering then.
17:37:27 <Mekkis> hell, we've been playing PFS in here before it was 'officially sanctioned'. If they were to can it, I doubt that that would stop us.
17:37:44 <Wrothmonk> Mail out chronicle sheets!
17:37:50 <Mekkis> I already do
17:39:14 <Brunius> (Can confirm. One of my chronicle sheets for Bairaq is a strange colour as a result)
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17:40:01 <Wrothmonk> Well in that case I just hope its only the scenario pdfs that get taken down and not the rulebooks.
17:40:20 <Brunius> They only distribute scenarios as pdfs
17:40:21 <Wrothmonk> I do not intend to buy physical rulebooks if I can get away with it.
17:40:29 <Mekkis> I doubt they'll can PDF sales
17:40:41 <Mekkis> they might step up the encryption :S
17:40:49 <Brunius> that would be bad
17:40:56 <Mekkis> (which is so easy to bypass, it's not funny)
17:41:22 <Wrothmonk> Then how exactly would online play be canned beyond them saying so?
17:41:26 <Wrothmonk> or is that the extent of it.
17:41:34 <Mekkis> It's simple: uncheck this checkbox: http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/obeydrm.png
17:41:34 <Brunius> "I'm serious guys, don't play online!"
17:41:44 <Wrothmonk> ^^^
17:41:55 <Wrothmonk> 0.0
17:41:56 <Brunius> "No really, stop laughing, I'm serious!"
17:42:13 <Wrothmonk> That checkbox exists? wow.
17:42:15 <Mekkis> "Anyone caught playing online will be BANNED"
17:42:21 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, yes, it does
17:43:55 <Mekkis> Given that they don't enforce the 'Run As Written' rule, or the 'no eight player tables' rule...
17:43:58 <Steven> just ate an entire jar of spiced rum pears
17:44:10 <Steven> they were glorious
17:44:14 <Brunius> Just ate an entire bowl of corn flakes
17:44:25 <Brunius> I feel kind of sick, I don't know if it's because of the cornflakes though
17:44:30 <Mekkis> just blew up an E100. It was glorious
17:44:58 <Steven> bad cornflakes?
17:45:30 <Wrothmonk> I thought the limit was 6?
17:46:29 <Steven> limit to number of people at a table is 8, 1GM and 7Players
17:46:41 <Wrothmonk> ah
17:50:29 <Mekkis> Doesn't stop a VC from running a table with 8 players
17:50:46 <Mekkis> then modifying the scenario and killing three PCs
17:51:12 * Steven yawns like he has heard this before.
17:51:35 * Steven has totally heard this before.
17:51:45 <Wrothmonk> I've heard of it as well
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18:24:56 <Mekkis> If anyone gets to the "create an encounter" part of Designer Search, you Have to put Kiramor in it
18:27:52 <Steven> wtf is kiramor
18:28:44 <Steven> wait isnt it that elf?
18:33:40 <Steven> so mekkis how your character for serpents skull goin?
18:34:00 <Steven> I got my animal companion and then i figure imma pretty much go crafting
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19:26:13 <Brunius> how unexpected
19:26:22 <Brunius> a spammer z-lined
19:26:25 <Brunius> that never happened before
19:41:37 <Steven> fuckin migraine is a bitch and a half man
19:51:01 <Brunius> slap it up some
19:52:38 <Brunius> wow
19:52:47 <Brunius> i'm sitting in front of my computer watching a moth fly around the ceiling
19:56:43 <Steven> Play a game
19:56:54 <Avatar> is that your way of trying to say you're bored
19:58:15 <Brunius> it's my way of saying 'what the hell am i doing with my life'
19:58:43 <Avatar> advice: don't publicise your own self-misery
19:58:57 <Brunius> shut up avatar
19:59:00 <Brunius> you don't know me
19:59:03 <Brunius> you don't know my story
19:59:06 <Avatar> I know you now
19:59:10 <Avatar> thanks for telling me
19:59:24 <Steven> so much hate
19:59:25 <Avatar> all about the moth and the ceiling
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20:44:54 <Mekkis> Brunius, Heroic or regular?
20:45:10 <Brunius> I didn't stop to ask the moth, sorry
20:47:11 <Mekkis> ummm
20:47:15 <Mekkis> regarding equipment
20:51:04 <Brunius> You're seriously going with this aristocrat then?
20:58:27 <Mekkis> of course
20:58:36 <Brunius> heroic then
21:08:36 <Mekkis> yay
21:08:42 <Mekkis> Master Gunner in the TOG
21:14:05 <Mekkis> wow
21:14:16 <Mekkis> First time I've been set on fire, twice, in one game!
21:34:27 <Avatar> what is heroic/regular?
21:37:21 <Mekkis> starting wealth of NPC classes
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21:53:40 <Brunius> sup mib_nukfjj
21:53:51 <Mekkis> Brunius, want to escort a tog?
22:03:55 <Mekkis> I like how the TOG can single-handedly defend a flank - without firing a shot
22:10:00 <Brunius> Could somebody fire up CA quickly/
22:10:07 <Brunius> I'm not sure if my firewall is still being a bitch
22:10:13 <Brunius> $ip
22:10:15 <Brunius> hmm
22:10:32 <Brunius> 118.209.192.99
22:11:19 <Mekkis> connecting...
22:11:51 <Mekkis> > nmap 118.209.192.99 -PN -pT4000
22:11:51 <Mekkis> Starting Nmap 5.61TEST2 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2014-01-03 22:11 EST
22:11:51 <Mekkis> Nmap scan report for ppp118-209-192-99.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net (118.209.192.99)
22:11:51 <Mekkis> Host is up.
22:11:51 <Mekkis> PORT STATE SERVICE
22:11:51 <Mekkis> 4000/tcp filtered remoteanything
22:11:51 <Mekkis> Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2.20 seconds
22:11:56 <Mekkis> aka: no
22:11:59 <Mekkis> doesn't work
22:12:45 <Brunius> how about port 8080?
22:12:49 <Brunius> nmap again/
22:12:53 <Brunius> ?
22:13:10 <Mekkis> > nmap 118.209.192.99 -PN -pT8080
22:13:10 <Mekkis> Starting Nmap 5.61TEST2 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2014-01-03 22:13 EST
22:13:10 <Mekkis> Nmap scan report for ppp118-209-192-99.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net (118.209.192.99)
22:13:10 <Mekkis> Host is up (0.018s latency).
22:13:10 <Mekkis> PORT STATE SERVICE
22:13:10 <Mekkis> 8080/tcp filtered http-proxy
22:13:10 <Mekkis> Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.20 seconds
22:32:36 <Brunius> does ca do its stuff over http?
22:33:06 <Brunius> and can I get another nmap?
22:34:43 <Brunius> 4005
22:46:41 <Steven> fuck.... i think im getting my yearly case of bronchitis
22:46:49 <Brunius> sounds like fun
22:47:05 <Brunius> is it anything like broncho-pneumonia
22:47:09 <Brunius> because that is also fun
22:48:40 <Steven> its what caused all my lung problems
22:49:59 <Steven> back when i was 15 i had it and during one of the lovely delirious stages i threw up and aspirated it... ever since then my lungs have been shit.
22:50:57 <Steven> spent a couple weeks in the hospital
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22:52:26 <Mekkis> > nmap 118.209.192.99 -PN -pT4005
22:52:26 <Mekkis> Starting Nmap 5.61TEST2 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2014-01-03 22:52 EST
22:52:26 <Mekkis> Nmap scan report for ppp118-209-192-99.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net (118.209.192.99)
22:52:26 <Mekkis> Host is up.
22:52:26 <Mekkis> PORT STATE SERVICE
22:52:26 <Mekkis> 4005/tcp filtered pxc-pin
22:52:26 <Mekkis> Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2.17 seconds
22:52:44 <Mekkis> Brunius, no, CA doesn't use http
22:52:53 <Mekkis> except with the 'use web server' thing
22:58:28 <Steven> well brunius
22:58:42 <Steven> if i dont end up in the hospital in a few hours, i'll see you tonight at 6pm
22:58:47 <Steven> my time
22:59:06 <Brunius> oh yeah
22:59:09 <Brunius> game in 13 hours
22:59:12 <Brunius> wonder if I should sleep
23:27:52 <Steven> i was gonna sleep.
23:28:00 <Steven> then my dad called, he was out of coffee
23:28:07 <Steven> and needed wood
23:28:39 <Steven> so i go pick up some coffee and take it over there, and i was like why isnt jesse getting you wood
23:28:44 <Steven> and he was like well he's sleeping
23:28:58 <Steven> and i was like, i was just playing minecraft with him, he's not sleeping
23:29:13 <Steven> so i go in his room and he is indeed sleeping
23:29:34 <Steven> so i go outside and chop some wood, which really i shouldnt have done, my lungs hurt afterwards.
23:30:07 <Steven> get it taken inside and my dad is like steve want me to make you breakfast since i fucked up your morning
23:30:38 <Steven> i replied no cause i just wanted to go home and sleep... jesse comes out of his room
23:30:50 <Steven> "Hey i want some breakfast!"
23:31:38 <Steven> lazy little shit.
23:31:49 <Steven> so yeah... im kinda on a rage high right now.
23:41:31 <Avatar> I don't get it, were you playing minecraft with him or was he sleeping?
23:41:56 <Avatar> or can he play minecraft while he sleeps
23:42:24 <Steven> he heard my dad rummaging around and logged off minecraft and pretended he was asleep
23:42:50 <Avatar> tell your dad to make him do it next time no matter what
23:42:51 <Steven> cause he knew they were out of wood nearly
23:42:52 <Avatar> that's crazy
23:44:14 <Steven> its exceptionally lazy thats for sure
23:45:48 <Avatar> don't enable him
23:46:24 <Steven> i'll call you up next time.
23:47:53 <Avatar> I don't understand why he's happy to bother you but not happy to bother jesse
23:48:06 <Avatar> does he know it hurts your lungs
23:48:39 <Steven> well he didnt know i was in such bad shape, he only called me over for coffee and then noticed he was out of wood
23:49:13 <Steven> and he tried jesse, but he pretended he was out.
23:51:36 <Steven> well thats just awesome.
23:52:03 <Steven> my dad is gonna come drop off biscuits and gravy for me.
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23:54:12 <Steven> so hows the voting going guys?
23:54:54 <Avatar> pissing myself a bit that I didn't submit an item
23:55:07 <Avatar> but not so much because I didn't have an idea and it's a lot of work
23:55:13 <Steven> every item i've gotten has sucked ass.
23:55:19 <Avatar> really
23:55:30 <Avatar> kapow didn't get to submitting his either apparently
23:55:32 <Steven> luckily one of them has always had spelling/formatting errors
23:57:03 <Steven> like right now im looking at an item that is a staff but not a staff
23:58:13 <Steven> i detest voting for it, but its formatting is way better then the other.
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