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00:04 <SpeEn> And he said it was very weird
00:15 <SpeEn> He was going to change eternity or something
00:16 <SpeEn> =)
00:46 <Steven> i mean... unless they only do one session a month... but still 12 years one storyline
01:10 <Steven> thats like some DBZ level filler content lol
01:20 <SpeEn> He says he has about 100 sheets reguarding his character
01:31 <Steven> yikes.
01:43 <SpeEn> And they often play alone without the GM
02:01 <SpeEn> just playing in role, alone or with another party member
02:02 <Steven> interesting.
02:15 <Steven> so he's a roleplayer for sure.
02:22 <Steven> thats good
02:26 <SpeEn> yeah, it showed during our last session
03:00 <SpeEn> He said it was refreshing to play a new game without all the paranoia that his vampires group has
03:18 <Steven> yeah, mixing it up is a very good thing.
03:21 <SpeEn> During sessions they only communicate with notes
03:51 <SpeEn> Because the members would not hesitate one second about backstabbing one or the other
03:58 <Steven> I dont think i could play in that group...
04:08 <SpeEn> Sounds bizarre
04:25 <Steven> A little paranoia is good... that much paranoia is bad.
04:37 <Steven> but then again thats one of the reasons i like pfs so much.
04:56 <Steven> no PvP means you dont have to worry about another player couping you int he middle of the night.
05:05 <SpeEn> hehe
05:41 <Steven> cause i have a character that some people would love to kill
06:21 <SpeEn> =)
06:30 <Steven> he's a Necromancer Wizard, floats around in a chair... 
07:07 <Steven> level 12 has an int of 33
07:14 <SpeEn> Kallor just sprung to mind
07:36 <Steven> talks down to anyone who doesnt have an int of 26 or more.
07:40 <SpeEn> lol
08:40 <Steven> theres a gnome druid at the shop that would love to kill this character... because he calls her the dumb one with the stick
09:28 <SpeEn> hehehe
09:43 <SpeEn> Heard any bill hicks?
09:47 <Steven> anyways, the great thing about PFS is there is no PvP allowed.  So my necromancer has partied with Paladins
10:19 <Steven> i went evil a couple times and ate sentient creatures, dwarfs are his favorite.
10:35 <SpeEn> NPCs?
10:43 <Steven> yup
10:57 <Steven> though if any of my compatriots had died i would have had a piece of them as well.
11:15 <SpeEn> Ofcourse!
11:34 <Steven> but the second part i like is that evil characters arent allowed, so after i went evil i had to get an atonement
12:54 <SpeEn> Yeah, I ruled against evil now atfirst aswell
13:23 <SpeEn> There was one who was dissapointed
14:11 <SpeEn> But in PFS, do you run the modules?
16:54 <Steven> well... there are several different things you can do
17:18 <Steven> you can run scenarios which take 4-5 hours
17:35 <Steven> you can run modules which take about 7-14 hours
17:58 <Steven> or you can run approved APs which take significantly longer
19:32 <Steven> brb, making me some tea... hoping it helps with this cold i have.
20:19 <Steven> Master of the Fallen fortress is about as long as a Scenario.
20:40 <SpeEn> ok
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23:32 <SpeEn> Daugther just woke up
23:38 <SpeEn> Have to feed her
24:02 <SpeEn> Nice talking to you Steven. I'll stick around and we can talk some more later.
24:06 <SpeEn> Thanks for all your help!
24:16 <Steven> hey anytime man
24:35 <Steven> if other people were at their keyboards they would also give you lots of advice.
33:02 <Yiroep> Hello.
41:24 <Yiroep> 6+
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17:30 <Steven> well balls
17:46 <Steven> thought i had the next several hours to myself.
18:19 <Steven> got my dad all set up for his hernia surgery this morning
19:43 <Steven> and was supposed to have till like 5pm to relax
20:02 <Steven> the jackass is sitting in his preop and decides to eat some hard candy
20:34 <Steven> twenty fucking minutes before the surgery starts.
21:14 <Steven> so the doctors canceled the surgery cause he cant follow a simple direction.
24:22 <Steven> so now i gotta get go over and do stuff for him all day.
28:50 <Yiroep> =/
48:04 <Darkkapow> !vchargen
48:05 <diebot> Darkkapow, 8(2,2,1,4), 13(6,2,4,3), 11(3,5,3,2), 17(6,6,1,5), 13(1,6,4,3), 14(1,3,6,5)
48:14 <Darkkapow> still better than steven's XP
48:30 <Yiroep> !vchargen
48:30 <diebot> Yiroep, 5(1,3,1,1), 10(1,5,3,2), 8(1,2,4,2), 11(1,6,4,1), 7(1,1,2,4), 13(5,5,3,1)
48:32 <Yiroep> LOL
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59:45 <SpeEn> Regarding "Aid another". Does it only apply to people in melee, or could for instance a ranger or caster aid aswell?
06:33 <Steven> In melee combat, you can help a friend attack or defend by distracting or interfering with an opponent. If you're in position to make a melee attack on an opponent that is engaging a friend in melee combat, you can attempt to aid your friend as a standard action.
27:15 <SpeEn> So no-go on the ranger and casters
27:19 <SpeEn> unless they are in melee
27:42 <Yiroep> There's a cleric archetype that can aid casters I think.
28:03 <Yiroep> Yeah, Divine Strategist.
28:19 <Steven> there are a few ways to aid another from ranged
28:21 <Yiroep> It's kind of a "meh" ability, though.
29:06 <Yiroep> Aid another builds are terrific, though.
29:22 <Steven> i considered building a monk of the four winds
31:08 <Steven> so i could aid another several times in one round.
33:10 <SpeEn> The more I read it over it looks like it's melee only
33:14 <Yiroep> Hrm, interesting question...does the caster support ability that divine strategist get...can it be modified by "helpful"?
33:28 <Yiroep> From the way it looks, it seems like it should be able to...but....
33:35 <Yiroep> It may be a little bit ambiguous.
35:19 <Steven> time to build that 21st character
35:45 <Yiroep> I have credit for a 2.1 character that I haven't built.
35:51 <Yiroep> I can't decide what I want to make.
36:29 <Yiroep> I'm like "Oh, shiny aid another cavalier" but then I'm like "There's an oracle I want" and then "Well, I wanna make this shaman...."
37:13 <SpeEn> =)
37:45 <Yiroep> I also have a *cough* gunslinger build *cough*
38:16 <Yiroep> He'd just be a normal gunslinger until level 9, though, so it's kind of meh.
42:32 <Steven> im waiting for inspiration to hit.
43:08 <Steven> so i can build me that 21st
43:12 <Yiroep> Slayer.
43:40 <Yiroep> Slayer looks like a really cool class, btw.
48:39 <Steven> slayer is pretty cool
54:25 <Darkkapow> there is a archetype called witchguard
54:33 <Darkkapow> that can aid another outside of melee combat too
55:59 <Darkkapow> sorry it's move action special maneuvers
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32:47 <Wrothmonk> I do not get how or why this computer connects me and disconnects me from irc when it isn't even open.
38:57 <Steven> trying to find a way to get a Hex Strike witch/monk
41:54 <Steven> that works
47:32 <Yiroep> Can also do hexcrafter magus/monk.
48:17 <Yiroep> Spell strike and hex strike at the same time.
53:42 <Yiroep> Hexcrafter magus/brawler.
54:15 <Steven> meh..... i dont want to go 4 levels.
55:03 <Yiroep> If I were to do it, I'd probably just go straight hexcrafter magus and just suck up the IUS feat.
55:59 <Yiroep> But I don't think martial-ly. :p
57:22 <Steven> im gonna just go witch for one level.
59:34 <Steven> gonna go brawler X/Witch 1
01:28 <Steven> and evil eye AC
02:06 <Yiroep> Yeah that works.
02:12 <Yiroep> You can even dump int if you want.
02:22 <Steven> yup
03:12 <Yiroep> I've thought about this concept a lot...but then I think "I don't wanna play a monk."
03:22 <Yiroep> But monk/fighter/ranger/barbarian isn't really my style.
04:32 <Yiroep> Even though I have a fighter/ranger/barbarian.....
04:34 <Yiroep> Lol.
04:51 <Yiroep> But that's all one character and I probably won't make anything close to that again.
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04:51 <Avatar> why the monk level?
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05:17 <Avatar> er, disregard that
35:08 <SpeEn> Question reguarding burning skeletons
35:53 <SpeEn> Melee scimitar +0 (1d6/×2+1d6 fire) and
35:54 <SpeEn>    claw -3 (1d4+1/×2+1d6 fire)
36:58 <SpeEn> When striking with scimitar, do you add the 1d6 fire damage if it hits?
37:35 <SpeEn> Fiery Aura (Ex) Deal 1d6 fire damage to adjacent creatures, and to foes that hit with natural weapons.
37:51 <SpeEn> And this comes in addition?
38:46 <Yiroep> Lol.
38:50 <Yiroep> Just an oversight, probably.
39:09 <Yiroep> Skeletons are always much more nasty without that broken scimitar. :p
39:54 <SpeEn> So when they attack with the scimitar there is no 1d6 fire dmg?
40:22 <Yiroep> Don't think there should be. I might include it anyway. :p
40:34 <SpeEn> Ok so just to clarify
40:48 <SpeEn> A fighter moves up to a skeleton
40:56 <SpeEn> hits
41:15 <SpeEn> skeleton can make a full-action attack
41:22 <SpeEn> hit with scimitar
41:35 <SpeEn> if it connects, add dmg and firedmg
41:47 <SpeEn> he can hit with claw
41:50 <SpeEn> if it connects
41:55 <SpeEn> add dmg and firedmg
42:00 <SpeEn> fighters turn
42:09 <SpeEn> he takes firedmg from aura
42:15 <SpeEn> dead
42:18 <Yiroep> Sounds right.
42:20 <Yiroep> Lol.
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42:51 <Yiroep> Of course, that's assuming that those hit.
42:56 <SpeEn> ofcourse
42:58 <Yiroep> Scimitar +0, Claw -3.
43:01 <SpeEn> aye
43:13 <Wrothmonk> Is that exactly how the damage is written in the book?
43:19 <SpeEn> no
43:22 <SpeEn> in herolab
43:30 <SpeEn> exported statblock
43:49 <SpeEn> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/skeleton-medium/skeleton-burning
44:14 * Wrothmonk brings up his copies of the bestiary then
45:06 <Yiroep> "Melee Attacks: A burning skeleton's melee attacks (including both those made with a natural weapon and those made with a manufactured weapon) deal an additional 1d6 points of fire damage."
45:13 <Yiroep> That's from the Paizo PRD.
45:16 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/skeleton.html#_skeleton
45:19 <Wrothmonk> and thats what it says in the book
45:50 <Wrothmonk> oh wow, those are nasty.
46:08 <Wrothmonk> it dies: explodes
46:15 <Wrothmonk> I hate those types of abilities :/
46:24 <Yiroep> They are, but again, their to-hit is kind of low. Most fighters will be fine most of the time.
46:31 <Wrothmonk> just when you think you've beaten it, the mob fucking explodes.
46:40 <Yiroep> I hate that mostly about dark stalkers.
47:35 <SpeEn> I ran thoose in master of the fallen fortress
47:38 <SpeEn> last friday
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48:01 <SpeEn> second game ever (DM / play )
48:12 <Yiroep> I hate that module btw...but continue.
48:21 <SpeEn> the adventure was written for four pcs
48:27 <SpeEn> they were gonna be six
48:37 <SpeEn> so I added 1 skeleton
48:47 <SpeEn> then one guy forfeited
48:56 <SpeEn> I asked if I should downscale again
49:06 <SpeEn> they said, "nah, we're pro"
49:16 <Wrothmonk> leme guess, tpk?
49:27 <SpeEn> tpk?
49:27 <Yiroep> Technically if it's PFS sanctioned, you shouldn't change anything. Them saying that they wanted to do it kind of makes me not feel sorry for them.
49:40 <Wrothmonk> total party kill
49:44 <SpeEn> nah
49:55 <SpeEn> that was the second game for all of us
49:59 <SpeEn> we're just starting out
50:13 <SpeEn> but I did not add the firedmg on hit
50:19 <SpeEn> just the aura
50:24 <SpeEn> and they nearly died
50:25 <SpeEn> =)
51:04 <Wrothmonk> Well keep in mind that even with it being written for 4 players, PFS scenarios can be hard even with 6
51:10 <Wrothmonk> if run right.
51:18 <SpeEn> ok :)
51:19 <Wrothmonk> not changing anything
51:30 <SpeEn> I'm going to chill on the adjusting
51:38 <SpeEn> tho it was not run as a PFS
51:41 <Wrothmonk> actually I shouldn't say 'right', I should say 'correctly'
51:56 <Wrothmonk> according to PFS rules that is.
52:30 <SpeEn> We're currently looking into PFS
52:33 <Yiroep> If it's not run as PFS, do whatever you want. :p
52:46 <SpeEn> But we need to get the hang of all the rules
52:48 <Wrothmonk> ^ especially if the party isn't complying to PFS rules
52:59 <Wrothmonk> ^Yiroep*
53:36 <SpeEn> Anyways, to conclude
53:38 <Yiroep> Yeah, end of season 3 for PFS was "technically" written for 4 players.
53:45 <SpeEn> Burning skeletons, nasty buggers
53:48 <Wrothmonk> yes
53:55 * Wrothmonk has been looking at their statblock
53:56 <Yiroep> But it was readily apparent that things were getting harder at that point.
54:24 <Yiroep> So not all "written for 4" is what is seems. :p
54:51 <Wrothmonk> question, how many skeletons did you throw at them and what was the party's levels?
54:56 <Yiroep> Also, I hate masters of the fallen fortress for the ending part where someone can die so easily.
55:05 <SpeEn> 3 skeletons vs 5 level 1's
55:28 <Wrothmonk> well no wonder
55:43 <Wrothmonk> thats a CR 4 encounter
55:58 <Yiroep> No it's not.
56:03 <Yiroep> Burning skeletons are 1/2 CR.
56:06 <Yiroep> Not 1.
56:14 <SpeEn> aye
56:51 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
56:51 <SpeEn> +2 monsters is + how many CR?
57:04 <Wrothmonk> I was reaing as 1 and 1/3
57:21 <Wrothmonk> Challenge Rating: As a normal skeleton + 1.
57:36 <SpeEn> 3 creatures is +3 CR
57:50 <SpeEn> so CR 3
58:06 <Wrothmonk> ￼and the bestiary lists a normal skeleteon as cr 1/3
58:46 <SpeEn> I think I just added the XP together
58:52 <SpeEn> so 200 + 200 + 200 = 600
59:00 <SpeEn> that's what I awarded them
59:11 <SpeEn> Should it have been 800?
59:26 <Wrothmonk> uh...
59:27 <Wrothmonk> leme look
59:39 <Yiroep> The CR calculators are wonky when you get into fractions.
59:48 <Yiroep> This calculator is telling me it's CR 2.
59:58 <Wrothmonk> weird
00:14 <SpeEn> That's what I added it up to
00:18 <Wrothmonk> The default scenario was just 2 skeletons right?
00:21 <SpeEn> yes
00:34 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
00:44 <Wrothmonk> leme look around for a second
00:44 <SpeEn> that's listed as CR 1
00:54 <Wrothmonk> the bestiary is referencing other rulebooks
01:40 <Yiroep> Well, it's just weird.
01:43 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I think it should have been higher
01:55 <Wrothmonk> cr 1 should be at least 400
02:11 <Wrothmonk> according to the core rulebook
02:13 <Wrothmonk> although...
02:24 <Wrothmonk> each player should have gotten 100 exp with that
03:03 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
03:06 <Wrothmonk> ok now this is weird
03:14 <Wrothmonk> the core rulebook is disagreeing with the bestiary
03:21 <SpeEn> =)
03:31 <Wrothmonk> ah wait nvm
03:52 <Wrothmonk> ok
03:56 <Wrothmonk> just to simplify it
04:09 <Wrothmonk> what did the statblock you use give as the CR for each individual one?
04:24 <Wrothmonk> cr 1 right?
05:08 <SpeEn> no
05:09 <SpeEn> 1/2
05:18 <Wrothmonk> alright.
05:21 <SpeEn> 200 xp pr skeleton
05:33 <SpeEn> the encounter was listed as CR 1
05:38 <SpeEn> with two skeletons
05:38 <Wrothmonk> that agrees with the table I'm looking at.
05:54 <Wrothmonk> three skeletons would have been 150 exp each player
06:29 <SpeEn> aye
06:34 <SpeEn> with 5 players
06:38 <Wrothmonk> yes
06:41 <SpeEn> that's what I awarded
06:54 <Wrothmonk> alright then you're good to go
07:06 <Wrothmonk> oh and it would have been the same for 4 players amazingly
07:22 <SpeEn> aye
07:46 <SpeEn> so I think that it's when there are six players
07:49 <SpeEn> I would need to adjust
07:55 <SpeEn> +1 CR
08:33 <Wrothmonk> Ah, but remember, you didn't apply the fire damage
08:51 <Wrothmonk> and 5 players nearly died
08:56 <SpeEn> Not from melee attacks no
09:19 <SpeEn> yeah but they where clumped up like retarded chickens
09:26 <SpeEn> so everyone took aura dmg
09:28 <Wrothmonk> ah
09:31 <SpeEn> from 3 skeletons
09:38 <Wrothmonk> That explains it then.
10:14 <SpeEn> They didnt understand the DR
10:32 <Wrothmonk> well that will get them killed then.
10:44 <Yiroep> Carry a club. :p
10:50 <Wrothmonk> DR is a bitch when used against players.
11:07 * Wrothmonk loaded up his ninja with blunt arrows just because of it.
11:30 <Yiroep> Lol. My archer has like every possible combination of arrows he can.
11:53 <SpeEn> ah, you've been wandering the crypts of everflame!
11:56 <Yiroep> Also carries oils of every alignment.
12:09 <Wrothmonk> I got a good assortment even though hes not really an archer
12:19 <Wrothmonk> still got a +3 base so w/e
12:54 <Wrothmonk> kinda a bad example though as far as a PFS character goes since hes only good for an AP
13:00 <Wrothmonk> rolled high like a boss
13:05 <Yiroep> Haha.
13:12 <Yiroep> Yeah, I'm not a fan of rolling stats.
13:21 <Wrothmonk> 18, 15, 18, 11, 11, 14 was his base statblock
13:27 <Wrothmonk> human bonus brings the 15 to a 17
13:36 <SpeEn> =)
13:37 <Yiroep> I had a character once with nothing lower than 13 or 14, can't remember.
13:41 <SpeEn> We use buy 20
13:45 <Yiroep> It was just dumb. I don't like it.
13:47 <Wrothmonk> thats normal pfs
13:57 <SpeEn> aye
14:02 <SpeEn> I think that works fine
14:09 <Wrothmonk> which is good if you're running pfs scenarios :P
14:57 <Wrothmonk> You can understan steven's frustrations then.
15:50 <SpeEn> I'm reading the season 3 pfs intros now
16:18 <Yiroep> Oh First Steps?
16:21 <SpeEn> aye
16:28 <Wrothmonk> 11, 15, 9, 13, 6 appears to be his base statbuild
16:31 <Yiroep> Keep in mind that 2 and 3 are retired for credit...you can no longer get credit for them.
16:36 <Yiroep> 1 you still can.
16:48 <Yiroep> If you're running it for PFS.
16:57 <SpeEn> Nah, we're just running for fun
16:59 <Wrothmonk> Pay attention to the roof scene btw
17:04 <Wrothmonk> the rules on that are fucked up
17:25 <SpeEn> I will!
17:29 <SpeEn> btw
17:31 <Wrothmonk> I ran into it without a plan and had to hand it over to another GM to finish since I didn;t know how to handle it.
17:45 <SpeEn> what is that credit stuff you mentioned? =)
17:50 <Wrothmonk> GM credit
18:05 <Yiroep> Playing a PFS game for a chronicle.
18:07 <Wrothmonk> basically in PFS players dont get EXP they just get single scenarios and level up every 3
18:38 <Wrothmonk> GMs basically get the EXP gold and w/e along with the players which they can apply to their own character of appropriate level.
18:53 <Yiroep> Well, they do get EXP, it's just a completely different system than normal. You get 1 EXP per scenario (for most scenarios) and it's 3 EXP for every level.
19:03 <Wrothmonk> ^
19:09 <Wrothmonk> what Yiroep said
19:43 <SpeEn> Is the GM credit mentioned in the guideline?
19:47 <Yiroep> Yes.
19:53 <Wrothmonk> although I haven't run into any that are more than 1 exp.
20:01 <Wrothmonk> some lock you into the series though.
21:19 <Yiroep> They did away with the "lock" rules. You probably want to play a series though because it's fun, but it's not required to play them even in order anymore.
21:27 <Yiroep> The only scenarios that do that now are Eyes of the Ten.
21:39 <Wrothmonk> Ah i didn't realize that.
21:40 <Yiroep> The level 12 series.
22:05 <Wrothmonk> Its been a while since I played so stuff has changed slightly I guess.
22:16 <SpeEn> So season 0-3 does not reward GM credit?
22:32 <Yiroep> They do, just not First Steps Parts 2 and 3.
22:44 <SpeEn> ah ok
22:48 <Wrothmonk> and also careful about season 0, those us 3.5 rules
22:51 <Yiroep> There are some specific scenarios in season 0 that don't as well. It'll be listed on the paizo page if it is retired.
23:03 <SpeEn> yeah I read some of them
23:11 <SpeEn> spotted "listen check"
23:17 <SpeEn> closed it, and moved on
23:45 <Wrothmonk> I think theres a pdf somewhere that lists all the conversions you need to run it.
23:55 <SpeEn> aye
24:23 <SpeEn> Well, It's bedtime in Norway now
24:28 <Wrothmonk> like listen goes into perception and so on
24:40 <SpeEn> So, thanks to both of you Wrothmonk and Yiroep!
24:44 <Wrothmonk> Np
24:47 <SpeEn> And Steven ofcourse!
24:59 <SpeEn> Have a nice evening/morning =)
25:01 <Yiroep> Sure. If you want to start up some PFS as well, feel free to ask. We have tons of experienced people here.
25:05 <Yiroep> Cya man.
25:11 <SpeEn> Yeah, I will stick around here
25:19 <SpeEn> not everyday you find helpfull people on the internet
25:27 <Wrothmonk> We play pfs here for the most part as well so if you ever want to bring your party here.
25:34 <Wrothmonk> and just play instead of GM
25:40 <SpeEn> Yeah Steven mentioned that
25:49 <SpeEn> I will try to get into one of the games
26:00 <SpeEn> if timezones dont clash to much
26:09 <Wrothmonk> Well both games on the schedule are full I think.
26:28 <SpeEn> Yeah, It will be sometime in the future
26:37 <Wrothmonk> But ask around and I'm sure you can get somebody to run something.
26:59 <SpeEn> atm I'm more than busy juggling GMing my group, work, wife and baby =)
28:31 <Wrothmonk> As far as timezones go, we mostly go by american and Australian time here. If you're in or near one of those you're probably good as far as times go.
28:45 <SpeEn> I'm in the middle
28:52 <SpeEn> GMT +1
29:02 <SpeEn> aka Norway
29:07 <SpeEn> =)
29:35 <Wrothmonk> That might complicate it a bit then lol.
30:16 <SpeEn> Steven mentioned that startup might be at 5pm, western US
30:56 <Wrothmonk> Can you handle a midnight game? lol
31:03 <SpeEn> I sure can!
31:17 <SpeEn> I just need to tempt my wife into playing aswell
31:34 <SpeEn> or send her on a weekend trip to spain or something
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32:02 <SpeEn> Anyways, laters!
32:06 <Wrothmonk> Cya
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32:38 <Yiroep> Hrm, we don't have a Venture Captain of Norway yet....:p
32:47 <Wrothmonk> lol
33:52 <Wrothmonk> I was attempted to apply as one myself for my state until I gmed a few scenarios. Thanks but no thanks, I dont want to touch another scenario's pdf.
38:25 <Wrothmonk> tempted*
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54:00 <Darkkapow> Mekkis i left a note on way of the wicked, I won't be around till 11:30
54:06 <Darkkapow> got to go see my nephew at his birthday party
54:16 <Darkkapow> it's not his actual birthday it's his one with his school friends
54:17 <Avatar> let me know if you need that start time changed
54:24 <Darkkapow> his brithday isn't for another week or so yet
54:40 <Darkkapow> but i have to make an appearance and it starts at 9:30
54:55 <Darkkapow> so game at 10 would be a bit rude to show up for 20 minutes then bugger off straight away
55:09 <Avatar> kapow what's your opinion on wizard vs arcanaist
56:34 <Darkkapow> I still don't really play spellcasters so my opinion wouldn't have much backing :/
57:12 <Avatar> I had a great wizard build in mind until I decided to build an arcanist thinking I could do something similar
57:15 <Avatar> now I'm not sure I can
58:43 <Wrothmonk> whats an arcanist?
59:35 <Avatar> a playtest came out for the Advanced Class Guide
59:38 <Avatar> with 10 hybrid classes
59:46 <Avatar> the arcanaist is a wizard/sorcerer cross
00:00 <Avatar> it's one of the more customised ones
00:03 <Wrothmonk> huh weird.
00:15 <Avatar> you prepare spells, but when you cast them, you don't lose them like a wizard
00:26 <Avatar> you just get to cast a certain amount of times a day with your spell selection
00:42 <Wrothmonk> Not sure if I can help you out since I dont happen to own a copy.
00:45 <Avatar> and you also get arcane exploits every 2 levels which are really just an added mechanic 
00:51 <Avatar> sec
01:34 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/advancedClassGuide
02:00 <Wrothmonk> ah cool. I'll take a look.
02:08 <Avatar> it occurred to me today that shaman might not actually synergise with my druid levels
02:13 <Avatar> despite it having a druid spell list
02:29 <Avatar> synergise for retraining, that is
02:46 <snypt> sounds like you need a couple of levels of bard
02:48 <Wrothmonk> So whats the conept you have in mind?
03:00 <Avatar> shaman is oracle/witch
03:15 <Avatar> the wizard concept was just an optimised blaster using the admixture subschool
03:27 <Avatar> but arcanists can't select schools as far as I can tell
03:57 <Wrothmonk> well I suppose they wouldn't, either that or the arcane bond would have to go to balance it out I'd think.
07:25 <snypt> What up guys?
07:55 <Wrothmonk> looking at the arcanist class which I'm really liking the look of...
08:28 <Wrothmonk> is this meant to become PFS legal any time soon?
08:57 <Steven> hey
09:27 <Avatar> it's PFS legal now
09:37 <Wrothmonk> Really?
09:40 <Avatar> it just might end up changing in august when the book is released
09:45 <Wrothmonk> cool.
09:52 <Avatar> apparently rebuild options might be limited if it changes to something you don't like
10:14 <Avatar> like if you boosted your charisma because an ability needed it, and that ability disappears, you can't change your charisma
10:19 <Avatar> but you can choose a new ability
10:28 <Avatar> I should say class feature rather than ability
10:54 <Avatar> the first version of the arcanist was terrible, very OP
11:02 <Wrothmonk> I'm sure it was.
11:03 <Avatar> benefits of both wizard and sorcerer put together
11:19 <Wrothmonk> since I can see how keeping everything from both is just OP
11:45 <Avatar> you need to take printouts with you if you play in person
12:00 <Wrothmonk> No groups around me so thats not a problem.
12:28 <Wrothmonk> ok now thats just weird
12:33 <Wrothmonk> consume magic items
12:57 <Brunius> I should probably figure out an item tracking sheet
13:06 <Wrothmonk> Doesn't look that hard to me.
13:18 <Wrothmonk> just list the item and its current condition.
13:54 <Wrothmonk> holy shit
14:00 <Wrothmonk> dimensional slide
14:56 <Wrothmonk> hrm wait nvm. Not as OP as I thought.
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43:05 <s_gmusic> got the cert I needed to take my Zen Archer from level 6 to level 7. now I must decide if I want to be a pure Zen Archer, or if I want to multiclass.
44:15 <Steven> you should just use the rand
44:22 <Steven> !rand zen somethingese
44:56 <s_gmusic> !item Monk's Robe
44:58 <diebot> s_gmusic, MONK'S ROBE [moderate transmutation] CL:10 body 13000gp, 1lb
44:59 <diebot> When worn, this simple brown robe confers great ability in unarmed combat. If the wearer has levels in monk, her AC and unarmed damage are treated as a monk of 5 levels higher. If donned by a character with the Stunning Fist feat, the robe lets her make one additional stunning attack per day. If the character is not a monk, she gains the AC and
44:59 <diebot> unarmed damage of a 5th-level monk (although she does not add her Wisdom bonus to her AC). This AC bonus functions just like the monk's AC bonus. Source: Ultimate Equipment
46:14 <s_gmusic> thoughts on that for a zen archer?
47:36 <Steven> well....
47:42 <s_gmusic> seems like it'd be good, especially if I take a level or two in something else.
48:15 <Steven> your 7th level, which means you can spend a ki point to make your damage dice equal your unarmed strike dice
48:17 <Steven> which is a d8
48:51 <Steven> if you buy the robe, your dice become 2d6
49:35 <s_gmusic> which is what I have if I dip into ranger or wizard and use a Wand of Gravity Bow
50:08 <s_gmusic> currently wielding a +1 Adaptive Keen Composite Longbow (STR +2)
59:35 <Steven> yeah, or you could just purchase a wand of gravity bow and sink ranks into UMD
04:15 <s_gmusic> yeah... don't have much CHA for UMD, and that's something I plan for from the start. I was just thinking that if it was worth it, a level of sorcerer or wizard would get me Gravity Bow, Abundant Ammunition, and Infernal Healing wands for free.
06:16 <Steven> why would you want abundant ammunition with arrows being so cheap??
07:46 <s_gmusic> specialty arrows
08:18 <Mekkis> spells like &bless weapon
08:32 <Steven> the only one it really makes a difference on is adamantine really.
09:19 <Mekkis> Brunius, you around? 
09:28 <Brunius> probably not
09:30 <Brunius> I mean not really
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03:17 <Steven> so whats goin on guys?
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05:33 <Steven> ya know, i dont think i have any half elfs... gotta make me one of them.
19:07 <Steven> cant decide what to build with half elf
19:30 <Wrothmonk> Have you done something with the playtest classes?
20:11 <Steven> no... im not overly excited bout them.
21:26 <Wrothmonk> Seemed pretty interesting to me. Debating if I want to build an arcanist now or just wait until an actual game comes up.
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52:25 <Steven> im thinking
53:03 <Steven> half elf wizard
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48:07 <snypt> wizard is a pretty solid choice
48:15 <snypt> anything is tho really with a half elf
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46:39 <Avatar> steven told me not to make my wizard a half elf
50:38 <Steven> well you dont optimize like i do.
53:17 <snypt> Avatar, you gonna come play with us?
54:03 <Avatar> play what
54:16 <snypt> pathfinder you nob
54:19 <snypt> what else
54:38 <Avatar> is this that game where you are bringing a bunch of players in here for some sweet gaming
54:48 <snypt> no not that one
55:01 <Avatar> that is how I remember it
55:02 <snypt> its the one where you put pants on and leave the house 
55:08 <Avatar> forget that
55:20 <snypt> ok i guess you dont need the pants
55:26 <snypt> underwear at least tho
55:38 <Avatar> the whole thing doesn't add a lot of logic
56:35 <snypt> why not?
57:37 <Avatar> just seems easier to play from here
58:54 <snypt> maybe it is easier
59:20 <snypt> but it is also easier to play a online roleplaying game like world of warcraft than to play pathfinder here
59:35 <snypt> but that does not make it better
59:38 <snypt> just easier
00:22 <snypt> but it is all good
00:28 <snypt> you dont have to play if you dont want to 
00:34 <Steven> i hate gaming with pants on too avatar
07:29 <Avatar> did you guys see the thread where a guy didn't know if he went too far by doing things like naming his characters herpes the clown and rumpleforeskin
07:37 <Avatar> and roleplayed them accordingly
08:22 <Steven> yeah
10:43 <Avatar> man
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