// #d&d — 2013-11-25
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00:02:57 <Avatar> maximise doesn't extend durations
00:03:30 <Mekkis> really?
00:03:48 <Avatar> that's extend spell
00:03:49 <Mekkis> so maximised colour spray wouldn't knock out a creature for 8 rounds?
00:03:56 <Mekkis> as opposed to 2d4 rounds?
00:04:01 <Avatar> !feat maximise spell
00:04:01 <diebot> Avatar, MAXIMIZE SPELL [Metamagic] Your spells have the maximum possible effect.
00:04:01 <diebot> Benefit: All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are maximized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. A maximized spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level. An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the
00:04:01 <diebot> maximum result plus half the normally rolled result. Source: Core
00:04:21 <Avatar> maybe it would
00:04:26 <Avatar> !feat extend spell
00:04:26 <diebot> Avatar, EXTEND SPELL [Metamagic] You can make your spells last twice as long.
00:04:27 <diebot> Benefit: An extended spell lasts twice as long as normal. A spell with a duration of concentration, instantaneous, or permanent is not affected by this feat. An extended spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level. Source: Core
00:04:52 <Mekkis> the spell &color spray would not be affected by extend at all...
00:04:59 <diebot> COLOR SPRAY illusion (pattern[mind-affecting]) sorcerer/wizard 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: 15 ft. Comp: V, S, M (red, yellow, and blue powder or colored sand) Duration: instantaneous; see text Save: Will negates SR:yes
00:04:59 <diebot> A vivid cone of clashing colors springs forth from your hand, causing creatures to become stunned, perhaps also blinded, and possibly knocking them unconscious. Each creature within the cone is affected according to its HD. 2 HD or less: The creature is unconscious, blinded, and stunned for 2d4 rounds, then blinded and stunned for 1d4 rounds, and
00:04:59 <diebot> then stunned for 1 round. (Only living creatures are knocked unconscious.) 3 or 4 HD: The creature is blinded and stunned for 1d4 rounds, then stunned for 1 round. 5 or more HD: The creature is stunned for 1 round. Sightless creatures are not affected by color spray.
00:05:10 <Mekkis> Duration: instantaneous
00:05:27 <Mekkis> the effect is a variable, numeric effect
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02:07:44 <CWheezy> yes, maximise does extend things
02:08:05 <CWheezy> extend would do nothign with colour spray, maximise would
02:08:41 <CWheezy> the problem with form of the dragon is that those are not variable numeric effects of the spell
02:09:01 <CWheezy> this was brought up in the dispel magic thread
02:09:09 <CWheezy> you can't maximise a dispel magic
02:12:45 <Avatar> how is 1d4 not as variable as 5d6
02:15:07 <CWheezy> I am pretty sure because the source is "you are a dragon"
02:15:24 <Avatar> what?
02:15:43 <CWheezy> 5d6 from maximized form of the dragon, right?
02:15:55 <Avatar> I was thinking fireball
02:16:26 <CWheezy> oh yes, that counts as an effect from the spell
02:16:31 <Avatar> what makes 1d4 not variable, is the question
02:16:42 <CWheezy> because that is the cariable from being a dragon
02:16:43 <Avatar> the same thing would have to apply to the 5d6
02:17:23 <Avatar> maximize says all variable, numeric effects of a spell are modified (not saving throws or opposed rolls)
02:17:26 <CWheezy> it isn't a variable of the spell
02:17:57 <Avatar> it can be 1,2,3 or 4, how is that not variable
02:18:10 <CWheezy> not an effect from the spell
02:18:27 <CWheezy> the effect of the spell is 'You become a dragon'
02:20:16 <Avatar> I don't know, seems like that ignores a lot of it
02:20:39 <CWheezy> the rest of the spell is describing what being a dragon does
02:20:55 <Avatar> the effect of the spell is "you become a dragon for 1d4 rounds, and get a breath weapon that does 12d8 damage"
02:21:28 <CWheezy> you don't become a dragon for 1d4 rounds
02:21:44 <CWheezy> if that was the case, then you would be a dragon for 4 rounds
02:22:07 <CWheezy> with maximise
02:22:20 <Avatar> sorry, "you become a dragon with 1d4 rounds between uses, etc"
02:23:04 <CWheezy> the effect of the spell is that you are a dragon, and being a dragon gives you this
02:24:27 <Avatar> but that's like saying the effect of fireball is that a fireball shoots from you, and when it does this
02:24:37 <Avatar> when it does* it does this
02:25:30 <CWheezy> it actually is not like saying that, but whatever
02:25:35 <CWheezy> post in the rules forum if you want
05:42:09 <Steven> Maximize spell does not increase the time it takes for a breath weapon to recharge or to maximize the breath weapons damage. The same way Maximise spell does not interact with Shadow Projection Touch attack.
06:31:03 <Avatar> source
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08:54:26 <Mekkis> ?firearm
08:54:26 <diebot> Mekkis, Of all the forms of technology [...] from the lands of the Inner Sea, none are as universally misunderstood or despised as the firearm. [...] The appearance of a firearm suggests at once an outrageous expenditure of gold, a sorrowful impotence of limb, and an immediate threat of dishonorable violence.
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09:21:00 <Proquar> Ballig: GRR Martin on Conversations: http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/11/08/3887040.htm
09:24:44 <Kuzuha> ...is it bad I had no clue A Song of Ice and Fire was related at all to A Game of Thrones.
09:24:59 <Proquar> mostly strange, i think
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16:47:47 <Avatar> expressions of interest to play the confirmation this weekend ?
16:47:56 <Avatar> friday night/saturday morning?
16:48:06 <Avatar> tier 1-2
16:48:09 <Kuzuha> I assume I am not allowed to join :V
16:48:14 <Avatar> why not
16:49:03 <Kuzuha> (because I have no clue what it is)
16:49:18 <Avatar> do you know what pathfinder society is
16:50:12 <Kuzuha> yes
16:50:41 <Avatar> what level characters do you have
16:51:24 <Kuzuha> um like one probably really bad winter witch that's never been in anything
16:52:03 <Avatar> what do you mean really bad, what's wrong with it
16:52:27 <Avatar> is winter witch actually a legal archetype
16:54:15 <Kuzuha> I think so. I'm not very sure with anything PFS.
16:54:29 <Kuzuha> I like, made the char two days ago or something
16:54:31 <Avatar> are you keen to get into it
16:54:34 <Kuzuha> and read about it three days ago
16:54:38 <Kuzuha> Would be interesting
16:55:01 <Avatar> okay, do you have the guide to pathfinder society organised play
16:56:43 <Kuzuha> yes!
16:56:56 <Avatar> cool
16:57:00 <Avatar> then you are already half way there
16:57:12 <Avatar> chapter 2: character creation is your friend
16:57:17 <Avatar> what book did you find winter witch in
16:58:14 <Kuzuha> Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Magic
16:58:34 <Avatar> ok bookmark this page: http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
16:58:50 <Avatar> you need to find winter witch under inner sea magic to check if that's a legal option
16:59:01 <Avatar> I might be reading it wrong but I don't think it is legal
16:59:23 <Kuzuha> oh ):
16:59:24 <Avatar> that page has whatever you can use apart from the core rulebook
17:00:59 <Kuzuha> okay
17:01:08 <Kuzuha> ...page isn't opening
17:01:15 <Kuzuha> will give it a bit longer.
17:01:22 <Avatar> link definitely works
17:01:30 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/download/pathfinder/PFSAdditionalResources-20131119.zip
17:01:34 <Avatar> there's a PDF if that's better
17:01:51 <Kuzuha> aha!
17:01:52 <Avatar> they update it every now and then though so you have to go back for it
17:01:56 <Kuzuha> > all archetypes on pages 32–43 except the primalist wizard archetype, with the following restrictions: only elves may be spire defender magi, a tattooed sorcerer may only use her create spell tattoo power during days spent in play (ie. not between scenarios), a vampire hunter inquisitor does not gain the silversmith ability, instead replacing detect alignment with detect undead; the Varisian
17:01:56 <Kuzuha> Pilgrim does not replace her 8th-level domain power with Blessing of the Harrow.
17:02:08 <Kuzuha> so it should be legal, I think!
17:02:19 <Avatar> alright fair enough
17:02:47 <Kuzuha> :D
17:03:00 <Kuzuha> I'm so glad I didn't goof up in the very first step
17:03:08 <Avatar> do you have an account on www.pfrpg.com.au
17:03:20 <Kuzuha> Not yet
17:03:24 <Avatar> do that now
17:03:36 <Avatar> you'll be able to set up a character sheet and receive invites to games
17:03:53 <Kuzuha> okay
17:11:43 <Kuzuha> transferring stuff over now, thanks :)
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17:22:38 <Steven> GM'd king of the storval stairs today
17:22:50 <Steven> mission over 3rd round of first fight
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17:46:08 <Kuzuha> ...I dunno what kind of things to buy at first level at all
17:46:15 <Kuzuha> I just realized I never did that part.
17:53:07 <Brunius> Rope
17:53:11 <Brunius> Potion of Cure Light
17:53:21 <Brunius> After the first scenario, a wand of cure light
17:53:52 <Kuzuha> ...come to think of it.
17:54:00 <Kuzuha> how do you use rope now?
17:54:08 <Kuzuha> The skill vanished.
17:54:33 * Kuzuha hosted like one session of D&D for two friends before our group moved on to PF
17:54:45 * Kuzuha still really new to everything
17:55:28 <Brunius> I don't think you ever needed the skill really
17:55:36 <Brunius> It was for complicated stuff wasn't it?
17:55:48 <Brunius> Knots etc.?
17:55:48 <Kuzuha> sorta
17:55:50 <Kuzuha> yeah
17:56:41 <Kuzuha> tying people up and things too
17:59:30 <Steven> knots and what not is covered under survival
18:02:14 <Kuzuha> oh
18:02:15 <Kuzuha> huh
18:02:17 <Kuzuha> that's useful
18:02:23 <Kuzuha> I like
18:06:04 <Avatar> you use rope by saying "i tie this rope to that post"
18:06:08 <Avatar> and it's just done
18:06:15 <Avatar> you're a pathfinder, you know how to tie knots
18:06:19 <Brunius> Are you sure
18:06:26 <Brunius> I don't think they covered that in basic training
18:06:26 <Avatar> 100%
18:06:33 <Brunius> Maybe for you advanced class graduates
18:06:42 <Brunius> But I never got taught how to tie knots in pathfinder training
18:06:52 <Mekkis> the two things you needed to use a Use Rope check for were tying someone up, and using a grappling hook
18:07:25 <Avatar> if you tell me your character can't tie knots, then I guess you can't tie them
18:07:29 <Mekkis> tying someone up is achieved by just saying "I tie them up", the DC is 20+CMB.
18:07:47 <Avatar> tthat's more of an exception though, like "I don't know how to draw my sword"
18:07:54 <Avatar> you usually assume you can
18:09:11 <Kuzuha> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=858 I think I'm done... let me know if anything looks really off or something.
18:16:20 <Avatar> you need a feat for first level and a bonus feat for being human
18:17:05 <Avatar> you need to do your skills too
18:17:09 <Avatar> did your save your sheet?
18:17:32 <Avatar> looks like you've only done the top bit
18:18:34 <Avatar> you've got a 23 point buy in your abilities from what I'm counting
18:19:13 <Kuzuha> let me check...
18:19:41 <Kuzuha> oh
18:19:51 <Kuzuha> I forgot to lower Wis when I redistributed midway through
18:20:04 <Kuzuha> should be a 12
18:20:18 <Avatar> yeah that'll fix it
18:21:41 <Kuzuha> okay, that should do it
18:21:50 <Kuzuha> should be fixed now, skills and stats
18:22:31 <Avatar> skills is still empty
18:22:38 <Kuzuha> ?
18:22:46 <Avatar> on the right hand side, acrobatics, appraise, etc
18:22:54 <Kuzuha> it shows it here...
18:23:00 <Kuzuha> I've definitely pressed save, too
18:23:01 <Avatar> refresh the page
18:23:20 <Kuzuha> okay that is weird
18:23:23 <Kuzuha> I posted into a new place
18:23:24 <Kuzuha> instead
18:23:29 <Kuzuha> because I don't want to lose everything
18:23:33 <Avatar> save often
18:23:33 <Kuzuha> and yeah
18:23:35 <Kuzuha> it's like
18:23:38 <Kuzuha> completely blank
18:23:40 <Kuzuha> I have been, though
18:23:53 <Kuzuha> I've been saving quite a bit, I don't know what's wrong with it that it didn't take like 90% of it
18:24:27 <Kuzuha> what do I even do
18:24:29 <Kuzuha> I press save
18:24:32 <Kuzuha> load it in a new page
18:24:36 <Kuzuha> and it hasn't saved the changes
18:24:38 <Brunius> Sometimes the server logs you out
18:24:49 <Brunius> Go back to www.pfrpg.com.au and log back in
18:24:51 <Brunius> Then hit save
18:25:28 <Kuzuha> phew
18:25:29 <Kuzuha> okay
18:25:33 <Kuzuha> try looking again
18:25:47 <Avatar> there it is
18:26:16 <Avatar> your fly skill has 1+2+3=9
18:26:27 <Avatar> just click autofill and calculate
18:26:35 <Avatar> you don't need to fill in the skill totals ever
18:28:04 <Kuzuha> +3 class skill
18:28:23 <Kuzuha> so it's +1, +2, +3, +3
18:28:35 <Brunius> Is the second +3 marked on the sheet?
18:29:10 <Kuzuha> class skills is marked, but not stated outright I guess?
18:29:30 <Brunius> Whack it in the bonuses column
18:29:39 <Brunius> Just so you can keep track of it easily
18:29:43 <Kuzuha> already have something in there that fills it
18:29:51 <Kuzuha> the +3 from bat familiar
18:29:51 <Brunius> So add it on the end
18:31:08 <Kuzuha> okay
18:32:10 <Avatar> yeah when you hit calculate it'll pick up any numbers you add in on the end
18:33:09 <Kuzuha> anything else I messed up?
18:34:51 <Kuzuha> hm...
18:35:05 <Kuzuha> I think I'll learn something else instead and take a potion of CLW like suggested...
18:35:14 <Kuzuha> how much does one weight?
18:35:59 <Avatar> chapter 7 in the core rulebook under additional rules > carrying capacity
18:36:06 <Avatar> it's based on your str score
18:36:19 <Kuzuha> ?
18:36:40 <Kuzuha> a potion's weight is based on str? so it weighs more or less depending on who carries it?
18:36:54 <Avatar> wait, what's your question?
18:37:02 <Avatar> how much does a potion weigh?
18:37:03 <Kuzuha> how much does a potion of CLW weigh
18:37:04 <Kuzuha> yeah
18:37:13 <Avatar> that's under magic items > potions
18:37:18 <Avatar> it's like 1 oz off the top my head
18:37:25 <Avatar> basically nothing
18:39:59 <Kuzuha> okay
18:40:14 <Kuzuha> saved
18:42:06 <Avatar> looks good
18:42:10 <Avatar> er
18:42:14 <Avatar> skills still don't add up
18:42:16 <Avatar> hit calculate
18:42:33 <Avatar> put your +3 class bonuses in the bonuses column
18:44:20 <Kuzuha> I've hit calculate, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything
18:44:28 <Avatar> try autofill
18:44:31 <Avatar> I might have them mixed up
18:44:59 <Avatar> it should add up your skills correctly, like knowledge planes should be a total of 6, not 9
18:45:29 <Avatar> same with spellcraft and whatever else shows 5+1=9
18:45:39 <Kuzuha> uh
18:45:43 <Kuzuha> those are class skills
18:45:53 <Kuzuha> I added those to the bonuses column
18:45:54 <Avatar> yeah so put +3 in your bonuses section
18:46:01 <Kuzuha> I did that a while ago
18:46:07 <Avatar> you're putting it in the total column I think?
18:46:35 <Kuzuha> no I definitely did that a while back when it was first mentioned
18:46:45 <Kuzuha> did you refresh?
18:46:53 <Avatar> sorry, refreshed now
18:46:57 <Avatar> looks good
18:47:35 <Avatar> have you played pathfinder before
18:47:45 <Avatar> or d&d
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18:49:15 <Kuzuha> only a few sessions here and there, any game I've gotten into has ended two sessions after it started, and I've hosted a tiny bit for two of my friends
18:54:28 <Avatar> in PFS you only play a session long
18:54:36 <Avatar> then you can mix and match your parties and GMs
18:54:41 <Avatar> so basically you are set for life now
18:55:10 <Kuzuha> that's gonna be weird
18:55:52 <Avatar> you get used to it pretty quickly
18:56:10 <Avatar> knowing the difference classes at the beginning of a game and adapting is pretty important
19:00:05 <Kuzuha> Hm...
19:00:09 <Kuzuha> what do you mean?
19:00:45 <Avatar> at the beginning of the session, you find out who you're playing with and what characters they want to bring to the table
19:01:11 <Avatar> so you might play with a bunch of spellcasters, or a bunch of martials
19:01:20 <Kuzuha> So should I make a second char in case?
19:01:21 <Avatar> you might find as a witch you're the only one who can cast cure spells
19:01:29 <Avatar> no you just have to adapt
19:01:44 <Kuzuha> Huh.
19:01:54 <Avatar> like say there's a cleric in the party
19:02:00 <Avatar> you can focus on using your hexes
19:02:14 <Avatar> but if you're the only healer, you might have to consider focus on healing
19:02:49 <Kuzuha> makes sense
19:03:18 <Avatar> you usually don't need a second character until you hit 4th level
19:03:27 <Avatar> keep your characters spread out about 3 levels apart
19:03:42 <Avatar> that way you'll be able to play in any game with your own characters
19:03:43 <Kuzuha> ok
19:04:00 <Avatar> make sure you have a good read of the PFS guide
19:04:15 <Kuzuha> yep!
19:04:17 <Avatar> especially about retraining through level 1, prestige and fame
19:04:56 <Avatar> secondary success conditions
19:12:42 <Kuzuha> Btw... is there going to be a set time for the thing?
19:15:36 <Avatar> we schedule them here every so often, usually friday nights or saturday mornings UTC+11
19:15:45 <Avatar> what timezone are you in
19:20:47 <Kuzuha> GMT-8. XD So uh yeah.
19:24:00 <Brunius> Steven is in -6, I think
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19:26:53 <Kuzuha> ...I'm not even sure I know where -6 *is*.
19:29:09 <Steven> centeral, canada and mexi
19:29:12 <Steven> mexico
19:29:16 <Steven> I'm in -7
19:37:56 <Kuzuha> ah
19:38:32 <Avatar> when you're logged in, the times on site's schedule will show it in your own timezone
19:38:44 <Avatar> as long as you've set it up in your account settings
20:37:59 <Steven> jesus.... in terraria im down to 1500ft still havent found any gold
20:39:45 <Steven> im starting to think it was all switched out for platinum
20:44:46 <Steven> YES!
20:44:52 <Steven> so i just went up to a cloud island.
20:45:30 <Steven> get up there, and theres a house with a treasure chest, inside the chest is the hasty lucky horseshoe that negates fall damage
21:30:31 <Steven> so whats goin on?
23:10:03 <Mekkis> trying to work out what colour the wings of this gryphon should be
23:10:16 <Mekkis> I'm thinking grey then tending to blue-white
23:12:53 <Steven> the answer is purple
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