// #d&d — 2016-05-25
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00:43:36 <Brunius> Mekkis, I've been enrolled for years
00:58:43 <Avatar> I should probably go through my characters and work out what needs to be refunded
01:00:53 <Avatar> strange that the decoy ring didn't get hit by the errata
01:01:21 <Mekkis> why? It's pretty shit
01:01:24 <Mekkis> !item decoy ring
01:01:28 <diebot> Mekkis, DECOY RING [moderate illusion] CL:11 ring 12000gp, 0lb
01:01:28 <diebot> This ring is a thick loop of mirrorlike metal. Whenever the wearer of this ring takes the withdraw action or becomes helpless (including falling unconscious), it instantly makes her invisible for 3 rounds and creates four illusory duplicates that either run off in opposite directions or perform other plausible actions that could draw enemy
01:01:28 <diebot> attention away from her. The duplicates last for 3 rounds before disappearing, but they instantly pop out of existence if struck by an attack (AC 10) and can be disbelieved (Will DC 19). Allies of the wearer always know her true location and can freely provide aid or assistance to her. Source: Ultimate Equipment
01:04:48 <Avatar> is it though
01:09:35 <Mekkis> why isn't it?
01:09:46 <Mekkis> what's good about it?
01:10:33 <Avatar> there's no clear rule on whether you can withdraw when you're not threatened
01:13:16 <Mekkis> even if you can, how does that make it good?
01:13:28 <Avatar> how doesn't it
01:13:32 <Avatar> did you read the description
01:13:46 <Avatar> it's perfect repositioning
01:13:51 <Mekkis> it's 12000gp, and would require a full-round action to work
01:14:00 <Avatar> and saves your life
01:14:34 <Mekkis> how's that worked out for you?
01:15:17 <Avatar> arguments on withdrawing
01:15:26 <Avatar> and I agree that you can't do it while not threatened
01:15:31 <Avatar> so it doesn't work
01:15:35 <Mekkis> nothing good then
01:15:37 <Avatar> but other GMs and other players think differently
01:17:09 <Mekkis> you're not selling me on the item. It costs 12000gp, and causes arguments.
01:17:28 <Avatar> you're missing the point
01:18:34 <Mekkis> the point being?
01:20:43 <Steven1> the point being there is a rogue talent that lets you withdraw after making a sneak attck
01:21:14 <Steven1> which procs the ring, making you invisible, that enables you to make a sneak attack
01:22:26 <Mekkis> ah
01:36:57 <Avatar> what items did you guys have that you had to deal with
02:06:30 <Mekkis> Heneski has a staff of the master that he bought a couple of sessions ago
02:07:16 <Mekkis> I have a character who planned on getting a jingasa. Most of my characters didn't want the look
02:10:22 <Mekkis> I think one of my characters was rocking the feather step slippers
02:10:43 <Mekkis> my character in Reign of Winter is. I don't think my GM will enforce the errata
02:10:48 <Mekkis> !spell feather step
02:10:49 <diebot> Mekkis, FEATHER STEP transmutation ([]) bard 1, druid 1, ranger 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S Duration: 10 minutes/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yesSource: APG
02:10:49 <diebot> For the duration of this spell, the subject ignores the adverse movement effects of difficult terrain, and can even take 5-foot steps in difficult terrain.
02:11:13 <Mekkis> oh, heneski also has the mnemonic vestments
02:12:45 <Mekkis> Mytiazair has a mithril frypan
02:13:11 <Brunius> Heh, Chris Lambertz has gone through and 'Removed a couple unhelpful posts'
02:13:50 <Avatar> I'm only talking PFS characters
02:14:15 <Avatar> I think snapleaf was the only item I had that got errata'd
02:14:36 <Avatar> and it's still pretty good post-errata
02:15:03 <Avatar> !item snapleaf
02:15:04 <diebot> Avatar, SNAPLEAF [faint transmutation] CL:5 none 750gp, 0lb
02:15:05 <diebot> This crystalline carving looks like a hand-sized tree leaf. It is usually worn around the neck on a strap so it is within easy reach, but can be affixed to a belt or clothing just like a badge. Activating a snapleaf is an immediate action and gives the bearer the benefits of feather fall and invisibility. The duration of the two effects work
02:15:05 <diebot> independently; ending one early does not affect the other. The item cannot be activated to provide just one of these two effects; they are always activated simultaneously. Source: Ultimate Equipment
02:18:40 <Avatar> where does diebot get the rules wording from
02:24:06 <Steven1> JUST A COUPLE!
02:25:35 <Steven1> avacado turkey melt for dinner
02:26:18 <Mekkis> diebot's database
02:26:30 <Avatar> you know what I mean
02:26:32 <Mekkis> I have some scripts that I can run to update it from d20pfsrd
02:26:51 <Avatar> I just saw a description that was updated to the errata
02:26:58 <Avatar> but snapleaf isn't
02:27:24 <Mekkis> you did?
02:27:26 <Avatar> !item jingasa of the fortunate soldier
02:27:26 <diebot> Avatar, JINGASA OF THE FORTUNATE SOLDIER [strong divination] CL:15 head 5000gp, 3lb
02:27:27 <diebot> This conical iron jingasa, or war hat, grants the wearer a +1 luck bonus to AC. Once per day when struck by a critical hit or sneak attack, the wearer can spend an immediate action to negate the critical hit or sneak attack (similar to the fortification armor special ability, but without requiring a roll). The damage is instead rolled normally.
02:27:27 <diebot> Source: Ultimate Equipment
02:27:29 <Mekkis> I haven't updated any of them
02:27:38 <Avatar> yeah the jingasa is updated
02:27:41 <Avatar> not on diebot though
02:27:44 <Avatar> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/h-l/jingasa-of-the-fortunate-soldier
02:27:56 <Mekkis> I know
02:29:16 <Avatar> jaunt boots is updated as well
02:29:23 <Avatar> basically maybe you should do a full update
02:29:38 <Mekkis> sure
02:30:15 <Avatar> how long does that take
02:30:29 <Mekkis> if it works, about 5 minutes
03:01:44 <Steven1> staff of the master and a jingasa(actually on an tien character)
03:30:28 <Steven1> yo
03:39:10 <Steven1> well...
03:39:18 <Steven1> so, my brother bought a new truck.
03:39:25 <Steven1> giving me his car.
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03:45:13 * ChanOP removes ban on shadsam!*@*
03:45:31 <qwertyasdjkl> hello?
04:25:48 <Steven1> so, had an alergic reaction tonight.
04:25:59 <Steven1> dont know what it was to
04:26:03 <Steven1> i broke out in full body hives.
04:34:04 <Avatar> I don't understand why paizo staff don't get involved in those conversations
04:37:57 <Steven1> would you rather them talking or making more stuff
04:39:09 <Steven1> i know which one i would want them doing if i were their boss
04:41:25 <Avatar> it's organised play
04:41:28 <Avatar> they should be talking
04:41:49 <Avatar> if tonya isn't getting involved in the community discussion, something's wrong
04:42:25 <Avatar> john obviously has a better excuse, but the big questions in that thread are "should we doing this much accounting, or should we be having more fun"
04:42:36 <Avatar> and they are just being left up in the air for players to argue over
04:46:41 <Avatar> hallo ?
04:59:09 <Mekkis> Steven1, is your tien character going to keep the jingasa?
05:04:50 <Steven1> tonya and john are not in control of the errata.
05:06:09 <Steven1> and tonya has quite a lot on her plate right now, its 3 days till Paizocon. John's job is pretty much done sinceall the stuff should be on their way to the printerss.
05:06:53 <Avatar> I wouldn't
05:07:18 <Avatar> I would come up with a roleplay reason that my character did not like that jingasa anymore
05:10:08 <Steven1> sup
05:10:29 <Avatar> ye
05:14:26 <Avatar> it's not just about errata anymore though
05:27:08 <Steven1> well, there is a reason john is posting and tonya isnt.
05:27:16 <Steven1> one of them is super busy
05:27:19 <Steven1> the other is just busy
05:29:20 <Brunius> hello anyone here?
05:31:27 <Mekkis> that sounds like you, Avatar
05:33:03 <Avatar> are they the only two people at paizo who understand how they want to run pathfinder society
05:33:57 <Avatar> I mean JJ is the creative director and he seems to find time to have a whole thread dedicated to answering anything
05:37:51 <Avatar> I guess so
05:38:01 <Avatar> wouldn't you
05:39:32 <Steven1> yeah im going to sell it back.
05:40:12 <Mekkis> the PC I have will still get one
05:40:28 <Steven1> There are better head slot items for him, i picked it up because it was crit protection on a front liner.
05:43:28 <Avatar> what a waste
05:45:23 <Avatar> hallo ?
05:46:39 <Steven1> its not doing what it should be doing.
05:52:18 <MekkisTmux> Have any prestige classes been published since Inner Sea Gods?
05:54:28 <Mekkis> !search immune
05:54:30 <diebot> Mekkis, 109 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
06:12:27 <Steven1> yeah
06:12:33 <Steven1> just watching a movie
06:26:59 <Avatar> is that all
06:31:08 <Steven1> yup
06:31:31 <Steven1> tomorrow i have some stuff to do earlier in the day, and then on thursday i leave for paizocon.
06:37:03 <Steven1> what up with you dawg?
06:46:04 <Avatar> drive to aus
06:53:10 <Steven1> so damned bored
06:53:57 <Steven1> well it is a week until paizocon.
06:54:05 <Steven1> I suppose i should go get my characters in order.
06:59:01 <Mekkis> Looks like I'll finally post that thread I've been considering for literally years now
07:13:52 <Steven1> oh hey another one of my characters had a jingasu
07:14:12 <Steven1> doesnt really impact him since s/he is level 14
07:17:14 <Steven1> did drop AC to 34
07:25:55 <Steven1> well... that wasnt noticed.
07:26:18 <Steven1> So Ring of Inner Fortitude blocks a lot of spells from actually working.
07:26:34 <Steven1> Enlarge Person, Reduce Person, Righteous Might.
07:27:50 <Steven1> nearly all the polymorph effects.
07:28:08 <Steven1> like beast shape, dragon shape, what not.
07:29:43 <Mekkis> !item Ring of Inner Fortitude
07:29:44 <diebot> Mekkis, RING OF INNER FORTITUDE, MINOR [moderate conjuration] CL:7 ring 18000gp, 0lb
07:29:44 <diebot> Alternating diamonds and rubies stud this band of white gold. A minor ring of fortitude reduces ability damage or temporary ability penalties the wearer takes by 2 points and ability drain by 1 point. If an effect targets multiple ability scores (for example, exhaustion, fatigue, or touch of idiocy), the ring reduces the damage, drain, or penalty
07:29:44 <diebot> for all ability scores. A major ring of inner fortitude reduces ability damage or temporary penalties by 4 points and reduces ability drain by 2 points. A greater ring of inner fortitude reduces ability damage or temporary penalties by 6 points and reduces ability drain by 3 points. Wearing a ring of inner fortitude ring does not make the wearer
07:29:44 <diebot> immune to conditions such as fatigued or exhausted even if the wearer ignores all ability damage, drain, or penalties from the condition. Source: Ultimate Equipment
07:30:08 <Mekkis> how so?
07:30:34 <Steven1> Enlarge person gives you a -2 dex penalty.
07:30:43 <Steven1> due to size
07:31:27 <Steven1> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-inner-fortitud
07:31:33 <Steven1> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-inner-fortitude
07:34:02 <Steven1> it was one of the errata
08:22:32 <Mekkis> I love paizo's errata policy
08:31:40 <Steven1> sometimes its wonky as fuck
08:34:46 <Avatar> what's wrong with it
08:39:04 <Steven1> hmm
08:58:28 <Mekkis> Avatar, the problem is that they only release errata when the print a book a second time
08:58:55 <Mekkis> Which means that the errata never gets properly reviewed
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10:22:58 <Mekkis> lol
10:23:01 <Mekkis> " A lot of people are under the impression that this is a game that we play to have fun, and that they ought to be able to show up to a game day and have that fun even if they don't obsessively keep up up with stuff that gets posted over on a forum or a web page somewhere."
10:28:59 <Steven1> I rather like the prestige class
10:31:09 <Mekkis> costs me BAB
10:32:32 <Steven1> is bab important?
10:32:43 * shadsam thinks Brunius Should stop acting like such a cunt and shut the fuck up!
10:32:44 <Mekkis> is bab important for a melee cleric?
10:33:17 <Steven1> shy are you a veiled illusionist as a melee cleric?
10:33:55 <Mekkis> because I want to cast some wizard illusion spells
10:34:20 <Steven1> like what?
10:35:55 <Mekkis> mirror image
10:36:04 <Mekkis> Major Image
10:36:12 <Mekkis> Displacement
10:36:21 <Mekkis> Stolen Light
10:37:19 <Steven1> i know the trickery domain has mirror image in a subschool
10:37:32 <Steven1> and displacement is on the protean subschool
10:37:58 <Mekkis> the one level dip into veiled illusionist is required
10:47:01 <Brunius> Man, that thread.
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11:16:55 <Avatar> what thread
11:24:54 <Brunius> Paizo Messageboards, it's the one about the UE Errata
11:25:02 <Brunius> Page 9 is that quote.
11:25:23 <Brunius> Starts with Chris Mortika and a VL going "IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES YOU'RE LITERALLY HITLER"
11:25:30 <Brunius> (okay, slightly exaggerated)
11:33:10 <Avatar> maybe a link
15:03:54 <Steven1> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2to8u&page=9?Ultimate-Equipment#417
15:04:10 <Steven1> that forum has been fantastic.
15:04:50 <Steven1> i kind of wish they had waited until after paizocon to release it
15:13:07 <qwertyasdjkl> hello?
15:25:53 <qwertyasdjkl> hello?
15:31:25 <Nick-> Good afternoon!
15:58:34 <Steven1> it is afternoon
16:03:30 <Nick-> I was looking around on the website, and I was curious about how to get involved in this campaign.
16:06:57 <Steven1> I'd tell ya all about it, but im heading out the door.
16:07:07 <Steven1> maybe avatar or mekkis are around.
16:37:37 <Nick-> Okay, thank you!
17:19:03 <Avatar> hallo ?
17:42:30 <Steven1> sup
17:42:51 <Avatar> ye
18:01:42 <Brunius> hello anyone here?
18:17:45 <Avatar> hallo ?
18:44:49 <Steven1> yeah
18:44:55 <Steven1> just watching a movie
18:59:21 <Avatar> is that all
19:03:30 <Steven1> yup
19:03:53 <Steven1> tomorrow i have some stuff to do earlier in the day, and then on thursday i leave for paizocon.
19:09:25 <Steven1> what up with you dawg?
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19:46:20 <Mekkis> Brunius, http://www.aec.gov.au/enrol/
19:49:04 <Proquar> m
19:49:09 <Proquar> hey mekkis
19:49:16 <Mekkis> hey Proquar
19:49:27 <Proquar> when are you signing up for the saturday game?
19:49:41 <Proquar> The wounded wisp
19:49:58 <Proquar> do you remember my bumbling around the mechanics three years ago?
19:50:12 <Mekkis> I'll do it nowish
19:50:15 <Mekkis> Vaguely, yes
19:50:51 <Mekkis> There, signed up
19:50:52 <Proquar> well.. that's only gonna get worse
19:51:17 <Mekkis> ?
19:51:50 <Mekkis> Brunius, yeah, but that's Andrew Christianson
19:52:09 <Mekkis> Christian even
19:52:29 <Proquar> i haven't played any RPG's since then
19:52:50 <Mekkis> ah
19:52:53 <Mekkis> That's fine
19:53:09 <Proquar> I'd bumble around AD&D 2ed at the moment… and i understood those mechanics once
20:03:16 <Mekkis> Have you signed up yet?
20:08:15 <Proquar> Yay!
20:08:27 <Proquar> For three sessions now! ack!
20:10:13 <Mekkis> I need to work out how to pull off a CSS Planter on Wednesday
20:10:58 <Mekkis> we're on a ship with 140 racist dwarves and a bunch of slaves
20:14:40 <Nick-> Good evening, anyone around?
20:24:39 <Proquar> uh oh
20:24:54 <Proquar> anyways - i have to go rescue my motorcycle
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