// #d&d — 2016-05-15
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00:05:29 <Avatar> that's not how it works mate
00:08:16 <Brunius> No
00:08:21 <Brunius> Game was pretty much DOA
00:08:56 <Avatar> you say that but I'm playing it right now in a party of 5
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00:19:22 <Mekkis> http://www.gnd-tech.com/content/1030-The-Degeneration-of-Gaming
01:19:25 <Avatar> that article is the degeneration of a news page, having to scroll through pages
01:28:34 <Brunius> ^^^
01:28:50 <Mekkis> you're a degeneration of a gamer
01:57:16 <Mekkis> Brunius, is this your first election?
01:57:30 <Brunius> federal, yes
01:57:40 <Brunius> I voted in the state election like, a week after I turned 18
01:57:52 <Mekkis> How are you going to vote?
01:58:23 <Brunius> ...with a pen and ballot paper?
01:59:05 <Mekkis> Above or below the line?
01:59:15 <Brunius> Depends how I feel on the day.
01:59:52 <Mekkis> If the election were held today, which party would you vote for?
02:00:12 <Brunius> PUP!
02:00:26 <Brunius> (Has he actually got rid of things yet, or just said he will?)
02:00:50 <Brunius> probably greens. I have to look into which members are in my seat, too.
02:03:30 <Mekkis> He did get rid of the carbon tax
02:03:44 <Mekkis> Australia is the only country in the world to get rid of one of those
02:04:39 <Mekkis> Brunius, just make sure you put labor before liberal. My working conditions depend on it.
03:36:47 <steven> hey hey
03:37:19 <steven> so the plunder and peril is actually pretty ucking brutal, almost tpk'd them again today... twice in a row.
04:34:40 <steven> yup... i think its time for a nap.
04:41:21 <Mekkis> !spell Phantasmal killer
04:41:22 <diebot> Mekkis, PHANTASMAL KILLER illusion (phantasm[fear, mind-affecting]) sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4, magus 4, bloodrager 4 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) one living creature Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will disbelief, then Fortitude partial; see text SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
04:41:22 <diebot> You create a phantasmal image of the most fearsome creature imaginable to the subject simply by forming the fears of the subject's subconscious mind into something that its conscious mind can visualize: this most horrible beast. Only the spell's subject can see the phantasmal killer. You see only a vague shape. The target first gets a Will save to
04:41:22 <diebot> recognize the image as unreal. If that save fails, the phantasm touches the subject, and the subject must succeed on a Fortitude save or die from fear. Even if the Fortitude save is successful, the subject takes 3d6 points of damage. If the subject of a phantasmal killer attack succeeds in disbelieving and possesses telepathy or is wearing a helm
04:41:22 <diebot> of telepathy, the beast can be turned upon you. You must then disbelieve it or become subject to its deadly fear attack.
04:46:25 <Mekkis> We almost lost our witch to that
05:01:59 <MekkisScreen> you're wrong
05:14:36 <steven> its a decent spell.
05:14:56 <steven> save or suck w/ two saves is a bit on the weaker side though.
05:18:04 <Mekkis> She cast the spell
05:18:27 <steven> word
05:20:03 <steven> that sucks.
05:45:44 <Avatar> why is the vigilante no good for PFS
06:04:33 <Avatar> mekkis nobody is going to vote liberal
06:15:34 <Mekkis> !spell Defending Bone
07:58:32 <steven> Ah, those pancakes were faantastic.
08:00:37 <Mekkis> My enchiladas were great
08:00:40 <Mekkis> Turkey mince
08:00:44 <Mekkis> Scotch fillet
08:28:26 <steven> that doesnt sound like an enchiladas
08:30:39 <steven> i was supposed to GM LoF tonight, but two members were sick.
08:31:20 <steven> but hey, make due with whatcha got
08:31:26 <Mekkis> Do any 3/4 BAB classes use the wizard list?
08:34:01 <steven> not that im aware of.
08:34:44 <steven> magus i think gets closest
08:34:56 <steven> and Labyrinth is a very challenging module.
08:35:18 <steven> scenario
08:37:13 <Mekkis> steven, how would you make a cleric (or perhaps oracle) that specialises in melee combat?
08:37:42 <steven> high str/con medium casting stat
08:38:02 <steven> prepare those self buff spells
08:38:06 <steven> get fates favored
08:38:18 <steven> divine favor for +2 is good at lower level
08:40:32 <Mekkis> What domains would I look at?
08:41:06 <steven> probably war.
08:41:32 <steven> variant channeling is also pretty amazing
08:43:01 <steven> strength domain is pretty strong later on.
08:43:27 <Mekkis> What do you think about Lesser Spellcasting Contract?
08:43:36 <Mekkis> !spell Spellcasting Contract, lesser
08:43:39 <diebot> Mekkis, SPELLCASTING CONTRACT, LESSER evocation ([]) cleric/oracle 5 10 minutes Range: touch willing creature touched Comp: V, S, F (a written contract) Duration: permanent until contractually terminated Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: AP 29
08:43:39 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/spellcasting_contract,_lesser.html
08:43:44 <steven> destruction domain is also pretty aweome.
08:44:16 <steven> and the rage subdomain is boss
08:44:59 <steven> its alright.
08:45:29 <Mekkis> +2 profane bonus to attacks, saves, and checks seems like a good exchange for a 5th level slot
08:45:32 <steven> one of my newer favorite spells is Scroll Contigiancy
08:45:42 <Mekkis> ah, that one
08:46:18 <Mekkis> What scrolls do you use?
08:47:05 <steven> I think Righteous Might probably better use of 5th level slot
08:47:36 <Mekkis> Perhaps, depending on action economies
08:49:03 <steven> Well, my build is built for scroll abuse.
08:49:49 <steven> so i use scroll at my characters caster level. So, scroll contingancy on a Named Bullet w/ a gunslinger in the party.
08:50:00 <steven> trigger was the word Shazam.
08:50:24 <Mekkis> you're 16th level?
08:50:44 <steven> literally every fight started with "If We're going to fight, give me your name and I'll give you mine. I'd like to know what to put on the tombstone..."
08:50:47 <steven> worked every time.
08:50:58 <steven> yeah, but it could work with a lot of different things.
08:51:31 <steven> shazam-Divine Favor.
08:51:33 <Mekkis> I figured that once you're level 16, you can just use Contingency
08:51:47 <Mekkis> Contingent scroll isn't on the cleric list
08:52:52 <steven> You're right. my character was built to abuse scrolls.
08:53:15 <Mekkis> I mean, nice idea and everything
08:54:02 <Mekkis> What do you think about this:
08:54:40 <steven> if you go with the Spirit Guide Oracle w/ the lore hex from lore shaman.
08:54:42 <Mekkis> Lame gnomish spirit guide oracle (nature) worshipping Asmodeus.
08:55:05 <Mekkis> Can enter a spellcasting contract with his mount.
08:55:39 <Mekkis> with the potential of going Hellknight Signifer
08:56:53 <steven> could work
08:57:41 <Mekkis> I suppose the question I'm trying to get an answer to is:
08:58:14 <Mekkis> Can I be relevant in melee with a small number of feats available?
08:58:27 <steven> spells are like feats
08:58:44 <Mekkis> as in: 1st Quick Draw, 3rd Power Attack, 5th???
08:59:04 <Mekkis> (What feats is a meleeer supposed to take anyway?)
08:59:12 <steven> toughness
08:59:31 <Mekkis> oh...
08:59:44 <Mekkis> what else?
08:59:48 <Mekkis> Power attack, obviously
08:59:55 <steven> Furious focus
09:00:02 <steven> since you'll only have 1 attack for the longest time
09:00:11 <Mekkis> What about a way for a 3/4 BAB caster to cast a 3rd level wizard spell?
09:00:14 <Mekkis> (is mounted combat -> rideby attack -> spirited charge viable?)
09:00:34 <steven> it could be, but
09:00:36 <Mekkis> Hopefully not involving UMD + page of spell knowledge
09:00:48 <Mekkis> or UMD + mnemonic vestments
09:01:06 <steven> i think you'd probably have better luck w/ a battle oracle
09:01:29 <steven> pathfinder Savant
09:01:34 <steven> you get weapon mastery
09:01:37 <steven> skill at arms
09:01:49 <steven> surprising charge is increaddibly powerful.
09:02:06 <steven> immediate action move 20ft
09:02:23 <steven> and you still have the option to charge.
09:03:01 <steven> could also look at warpriest.
09:03:09 <steven> get over the small sized weapon penalty
09:04:05 <Mekkis> Hmmm
09:04:57 <steven> i think i'd probably go with battle spirit guide oracle
09:05:17 <Mekkis> Other option is Asmodean Cleric (Trickery, Law)...
09:06:15 <Mekkis> Maybe human could be better for the feat.
09:08:08 <Mekkis> Still, what feats would that be?
09:08:44 <Mekkis> 1st toughness, quick draw; 3rd power attack; 5th furious focus?
09:09:56 <Mekkis> And is that enough?
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09:14:17 <steven> should be decent
09:14:49 <steven> maybe weapon focus
09:15:27 <steven> then there is the channel smite
09:15:38 <steven> channeling force is pretty cool as well
09:16:30 <steven> imo better then channel smite, but requires you to be able to cast force spells
09:17:31 <Mekkis> !prdfeat channel smite
09:17:31 <diebot> Mekkis, CHANNEL SMITE [Combat]Prereq: Channel energy class feature. You can channel your divine energy through a melee weapon you wield.
09:17:32 <diebot> Benefit: Before you make a melee attack roll, you can choose to spend one use of your channel energy ability as a swift action. If you channel positive energy and you hit an undead creature, that creature takes an amount of additional damage equal to the damage dealt by your channel positive energy ability. If you channel negative energy and you
09:17:32 <diebot> hit a living creature, that creature takes an amount of additional damage equal to the damage dealt by your channel negative energy ability. Your target can make a Will save, as normal, to halve this additional damage. If your attack misses, the channel energy ability is still expended with no effect. Source: Core
09:17:56 <Mekkis> Oh wow
09:18:10 <Mekkis> !prdfeat channeling force
09:18:11 <diebot> Mekkis, CHANNELING SCOURGE [] Your zeal for hunting your faith's enemies empowers your ability to channel divine energy, as long as you channel that energy for harm. Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature, inquisitor level 1st. Benefit: When you use channel energy to deal damage, your inquisitor levels count as cleric levels for determining
09:18:11 <diebot> the number of damage dice and the saving throw DC.
09:18:11 <diebot> Benefit: Source: UC
09:20:27 <Mekkis> So Channeling force would require cleric 3.
09:20:58 <steven> yup
09:21:09 <steven> but i think its better then channel smite
09:21:24 <steven> because the positive/negative energy becomes force
09:22:39 <Mekkis> Hmmm
09:23:45 <Mekkis> How important should I be treating charisma?
09:25:19 <steven> however important you want to treat it.
09:25:36 <steven> I'm going to go to sleep now, i've someplace to be in 5 hours.
09:44:10 <steven> im going to go make pancakes and then watch demolition man.
09:45:15 <Mekkis> What do you think about the vigilante?
09:52:56 <steven> its a class that isn't very viable for pfs
10:03:04 <Mekkis> because the two identies don't play well?
10:06:07 <Mekkis> I was looking at the Warlock archetype
10:38:27 <Avatar> 5 cha
10:38:45 <Mekkis> Avatar, just because you have no charisma.
10:40:34 <Brunius> low cha cleric
10:40:58 <Avatar> boost up the wis to 20 or 22
10:41:54 <Mekkis> what overall stat line then?
10:48:46 <Avatar> 10 10 10 20 14 5
10:51:08 <Mekkis> And Avatar reveals why he's had more character deaths than everyone else in this channel combined.
10:52:10 <Avatar> it's not a build for me
10:52:12 <Avatar> it's for you
10:52:29 <Mekkis> it doesn't even add up
10:52:29 <Avatar> I've got my character deaths than anyone here combined because I don't munchkin up my characters
10:52:38 <Avatar> yeah it's just rough
10:52:43 <Avatar> you can finetune it, you get the idea
10:53:02 <Mekkis> Anyway, this is a melee clerix
10:53:10 <Mekkis> cleric*
10:56:37 <Mekkis> 16 12 14 12 14 7 before racials?
11:25:06 <Avatar> 20 5 10 20 10 5
12:04:47 <Avatar> do any of you have evolve
12:07:31 <Mekkis> No, I've already reached the pinnacle of evolution.
12:24:39 <Avatar> have you tough
12:24:41 <Avatar> though*
12:24:59 <Mekkis> I already said that I had
12:25:35 <Mekkis> you still climbing, Avatar?
12:38:09 <Avatar> that's not how it works mate
12:40:56 <Brunius> No
12:41:01 <Brunius> Game was pretty much DOA
12:41:36 <Avatar> you say that but I'm playing it right now in a party of 5
12:52:02 <Mekkis> http://www.gnd-tech.com/content/1030-The-Degeneration-of-Gaming
13:52:05 <Avatar> that article is the degeneration of a news page, having to scroll through pages
14:01:14 <Brunius> ^^^
14:01:29 <Mekkis> you're a degeneration of a gamer
14:29:56 <Mekkis> Brunius, is this your first election?
14:30:10 <Brunius> federal, yes
14:30:20 <Brunius> I voted in the state election like, a week after I turned 18
14:30:31 <Mekkis> How are you going to vote?
14:31:03 <Brunius> ...with a pen and ballot paper?
14:31:44 <Mekkis> Above or below the line?
14:31:55 <Brunius> Depends how I feel on the day.
14:32:31 <Mekkis> If the election were held today, which party would you vote for?
14:32:52 <Brunius> PUP!
14:33:06 <Brunius> (Has he actually got rid of things yet, or just said he will?)
14:33:30 <Brunius> probably greens. I have to look into which members are in my seat, too.
14:36:09 <Mekkis> He did get rid of the carbon tax
14:36:23 <Mekkis> Australia is the only country in the world to get rid of one of those
14:37:19 <Mekkis> Brunius, just make sure you put labor before liberal. My working conditions depend on it.
16:46:37 <steven> nope totally was nap time.
20:07:40 <Avatar> what about the vigilante
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20:38:37 <Mekkis> Avatar, I admire your optimism
20:39:13 <Avatar> nobody here
20:42:07 <Mekkis> steven, 16 12 14 12 14 7 before racials sound good?
20:49:31 <Mekkis> !item ioun stone, vibrant purple prism
20:49:35 <diebot> Mekkis, IOUN STONE CRIMSON SPHERE [moderate transmutation] CL:12 none 24000gp, NULLlb
20:49:36 <diebot> This stone grants you a +2 enhancement bonus to Intelligence. The bonuses from multiple crimson spheres stack (up to a maximum of a +6 enhancement bonus to Intelligence). Source: Seekers
20:54:32 <Mekkis> !item ring of spell storing
20:54:33 <diebot> Mekkis, RING OF SPELL STORING [moderate evocation] CL:9 ring 50000gp, 0lb
20:54:34 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/ring_of_spell_storing.html
20:54:54 <Mekkis> !item ring of spell storing, minor
20:54:55 <diebot> Mekkis, RING OF SPELL STORING, MINOR [faint evocation] CL:5 ring 18000gp, 0lb
20:54:55 <diebot> As the minor ring of spell storing, except it holds up to 3 levels of spells. Source: Ultimate Equipment
21:02:58 <Brunius> FUCK YOU AVATAR, I'M GONNA VOTE LIBERAL JUST BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT
21:03:08 <Brunius> greens>labor>liberal
21:04:36 <Mekkis> how do you rate KAP
21:04:37 <Mekkis> ?
21:05:00 <Brunius> haven't looked into their policies, but Katter seems like a fuckwit
21:05:51 <Mekkis> when I email politicians, KAP consistently responds the most sensibly
21:06:34 <Mekkis> you should email all of the candidates
21:12:55 <steven> its more useful to not have dead class features.
21:13:33 <Mekkis> http://pastebin.com/5XzuYdDF
21:35:53 <Mekkis> minor ring of spell storing with a CL40 dispel magic in it sounds good
22:28:43 <Mekkis> !prdfeat warrior priest
22:28:46 <diebot> Mekkis, WARRIOR PRIEST []Prereq: Ability to cast divine spells, domain or mystery class feature. Your religion is both a shield and a weapon in battle.
22:28:46 <diebot> Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on initiative checks and a +2 bonus on concentration checks made to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability when casting defensively or while grappled. Source: UM
22:29:25 <Mekkis> steven, so, I found three ways to achieve what I was after.
22:29:35 <steven> well thats good
22:30:28 <Mekkis> Shaman (Lore) 6th level, Oracle (Spirit Guide)(Lore) 4th Level, and Veiled Illusionist 1
22:45:24 <steven> so my question is why go with a lore shaman and pick up spirit guide oracle that also goes into lore?
22:47:34 <steven> mostly because it trashes what spells you can cast
22:48:40 <steven> you'll end up with... 4th level spells
22:57:40 <Mekkis> steven, those are my three choices. They're mutually exclusive
22:59:02 <Mekkis> Might do something like cleric with a dip of illusionist
23:10:01 <steven> if you go with gnome they have a racial that lets you concentrate on an illusion as a swift action
23:17:49 <Mekkis> oh?
23:19:10 <Avatar> what dead class features
23:19:58 <Mekkis> most of the disguise stuff won't be used often
23:25:52 <steven> yup
23:31:30 <steven> the social aspects of the character dont help oft because combat/social are usually closely intertwined
23:32:07 <Avatar> do any of you have evolve
23:32:08 <steven> and it takes a full minute to switch between your two aspects.
23:33:41 <Mekkis> What's the racial feature called?
23:34:51 <steven> i mean, if you want to be bruce wayne/batman, but are 90% of the time being batman
23:34:51 <Mekkis> No, I've already reached the pinnacle of evolution.
23:36:02 <steven> then you might as well be batman, and invest a few points into a social skills and a hat of disguise.
23:38:06 <Mekkis> Does Veiled Illusionist require you to worship a particular deity?
23:41:45 <steven> dont think so
23:51:59 <Avatar> have you tough
23:52:01 <Avatar> though*
23:52:20 <Mekkis> I already said that I had
23:52:56 <Mekkis> you still climbing, Avatar?
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