// #d&d — 2016-05-23
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00:43:36 <Brunius> Mekkis, I've been enrolled for years
00:58:43 <Avatar> I should probably go through my characters and work out what needs to be refunded
01:00:53 <Avatar> strange that the decoy ring didn't get hit by the errata
01:01:21 <Mekkis> why? It's pretty shit
01:01:24 <Mekkis> !item decoy ring
01:01:28 <diebot> Mekkis, DECOY RING [moderate illusion] CL:11 ring 12000gp, 0lb
01:01:28 <diebot> This ring is a thick loop of mirrorlike metal. Whenever the wearer of this ring takes the withdraw action or becomes helpless (including falling unconscious), it instantly makes her invisible for 3 rounds and creates four illusory duplicates that either run off in opposite directions or perform other plausible actions that could draw enemy
01:01:28 <diebot> attention away from her. The duplicates last for 3 rounds before disappearing, but they instantly pop out of existence if struck by an attack (AC 10) and can be disbelieved (Will DC 19). Allies of the wearer always know her true location and can freely provide aid or assistance to her. Source: Ultimate Equipment
01:04:48 <Avatar> is it though
01:09:35 <Mekkis> why isn't it?
01:09:46 <Mekkis> what's good about it?
01:10:33 <Avatar> there's no clear rule on whether you can withdraw when you're not threatened
01:13:16 <Mekkis> even if you can, how does that make it good?
01:13:28 <Avatar> how doesn't it
01:13:32 <Avatar> did you read the description
01:13:46 <Avatar> it's perfect repositioning
01:13:51 <Mekkis> it's 12000gp, and would require a full-round action to work
01:14:00 <Avatar> and saves your life
01:14:34 <Mekkis> how's that worked out for you?
01:15:17 <Avatar> arguments on withdrawing
01:15:26 <Avatar> and I agree that you can't do it while not threatened
01:15:31 <Avatar> so it doesn't work
01:15:35 <Mekkis> nothing good then
01:15:37 <Avatar> but other GMs and other players think differently
01:17:09 <Mekkis> you're not selling me on the item. It costs 12000gp, and causes arguments.
01:17:28 <Avatar> you're missing the point
01:18:34 <Mekkis> the point being?
01:20:43 <Steven1> the point being there is a rogue talent that lets you withdraw after making a sneak attck
01:21:14 <Steven1> which procs the ring, making you invisible, that enables you to make a sneak attack
01:22:26 <Mekkis> ah
01:36:57 <Avatar> what items did you guys have that you had to deal with
02:06:30 <Mekkis> Heneski has a staff of the master that he bought a couple of sessions ago
02:07:16 <Mekkis> I have a character who planned on getting a jingasa. Most of my characters didn't want the look
02:10:22 <Mekkis> I think one of my characters was rocking the feather step slippers
02:10:43 <Mekkis> my character in Reign of Winter is. I don't think my GM will enforce the errata
02:10:48 <Mekkis> !spell feather step
02:10:49 <diebot> Mekkis, FEATHER STEP transmutation ([]) bard 1, druid 1, ranger 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S Duration: 10 minutes/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yesSource: APG
02:10:49 <diebot> For the duration of this spell, the subject ignores the adverse movement effects of difficult terrain, and can even take 5-foot steps in difficult terrain.
02:11:13 <Mekkis> oh, heneski also has the mnemonic vestments
02:12:45 <Mekkis> Mytiazair has a mithril frypan
02:13:50 <Avatar> I'm only talking PFS characters
02:14:15 <Avatar> I think snapleaf was the only item I had that got errata'd
02:14:36 <Avatar> and it's still pretty good post-errata
02:15:03 <Avatar> !item snapleaf
02:15:04 <diebot> Avatar, SNAPLEAF [faint transmutation] CL:5 none 750gp, 0lb
02:15:05 <diebot> This crystalline carving looks like a hand-sized tree leaf. It is usually worn around the neck on a strap so it is within easy reach, but can be affixed to a belt or clothing just like a badge. Activating a snapleaf is an immediate action and gives the bearer the benefits of feather fall and invisibility. The duration of the two effects work
02:15:05 <diebot> independently; ending one early does not affect the other. The item cannot be activated to provide just one of these two effects; they are always activated simultaneously. Source: Ultimate Equipment
02:18:40 <Avatar> where does diebot get the rules wording from
02:26:18 <Mekkis> diebot's database
02:26:30 <Avatar> you know what I mean
02:26:32 <Mekkis> I have some scripts that I can run to update it from d20pfsrd
02:26:51 <Avatar> I just saw a description that was updated to the errata
02:26:58 <Avatar> but snapleaf isn't
02:27:24 <Mekkis> you did?
02:27:26 <Avatar> !item jingasa of the fortunate soldier
02:27:26 <diebot> Avatar, JINGASA OF THE FORTUNATE SOLDIER [strong divination] CL:15 head 5000gp, 3lb
02:27:27 <diebot> This conical iron jingasa, or war hat, grants the wearer a +1 luck bonus to AC. Once per day when struck by a critical hit or sneak attack, the wearer can spend an immediate action to negate the critical hit or sneak attack (similar to the fortification armor special ability, but without requiring a roll). The damage is instead rolled normally.
02:27:27 <diebot> Source: Ultimate Equipment
02:27:29 <Mekkis> I haven't updated any of them
02:27:38 <Avatar> yeah the jingasa is updated
02:27:41 <Avatar> not on diebot though
02:27:44 <Avatar> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/h-l/jingasa-of-the-fortunate-soldier
02:27:56 <Mekkis> I know
02:29:16 <Avatar> jaunt boots is updated as well
02:29:23 <Avatar> basically maybe you should do a full update
02:29:38 <Mekkis> sure
02:30:15 <Avatar> how long does that take
02:30:29 <Mekkis> if it works, about 5 minutes
03:01:44 <Steven1> staff of the master and a jingasa(actually on an tien character)
03:30:28 <Steven1> yo
03:39:10 <Steven1> well...
03:39:18 <Steven1> so, my brother bought a new truck.
03:39:25 <Steven1> giving me his car.
04:59:09 <Mekkis> Steven1, is your tien character going to keep the jingasa?
05:06:53 <Avatar> I wouldn't
05:07:18 <Avatar> I would come up with a roleplay reason that my character did not like that jingasa anymore
05:31:27 <Mekkis> that sounds like you, Avatar
05:37:51 <Avatar> I guess so
05:38:01 <Avatar> wouldn't you
05:39:32 <Steven1> yeah im going to sell it back.
05:40:12 <Mekkis> the PC I have will still get one
05:40:28 <Steven1> There are better head slot items for him, i picked it up because it was crit protection on a front liner.
05:43:28 <Avatar> what a waste
05:46:39 <Steven1> its not doing what it should be doing.
05:52:18 <MekkisTmux> Have any prestige classes been published since Inner Sea Gods?
05:54:28 <Mekkis> !search immune
05:54:30 <diebot> Mekkis, 109 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
06:46:04 <Avatar> drive to aus
06:53:10 <Steven1> so damned bored
06:53:57 <Steven1> well it is a week until paizocon.
06:54:05 <Steven1> I suppose i should go get my characters in order.
07:13:52 <Steven1> oh hey another one of my characters had a jingasu
07:14:12 <Steven1> doesnt really impact him since s/he is level 14
07:17:14 <Steven1> did drop AC to 34
07:25:55 <Steven1> well... that wasnt noticed.
07:26:18 <Steven1> So Ring of Inner Fortitude blocks a lot of spells from actually working.
07:26:34 <Steven1> Enlarge Person, Reduce Person, Righteous Might.
07:27:50 <Steven1> nearly all the polymorph effects.
07:28:08 <Steven1> like beast shape, dragon shape, what not.
07:29:43 <Mekkis> !item Ring of Inner Fortitude
07:29:44 <diebot> Mekkis, RING OF INNER FORTITUDE, MINOR [moderate conjuration] CL:7 ring 18000gp, 0lb
07:29:44 <diebot> Alternating diamonds and rubies stud this band of white gold. A minor ring of fortitude reduces ability damage or temporary ability penalties the wearer takes by 2 points and ability drain by 1 point. If an effect targets multiple ability scores (for example, exhaustion, fatigue, or touch of idiocy), the ring reduces the damage, drain, or penalty
07:29:44 <diebot> for all ability scores. A major ring of inner fortitude reduces ability damage or temporary penalties by 4 points and reduces ability drain by 2 points. A greater ring of inner fortitude reduces ability damage or temporary penalties by 6 points and reduces ability drain by 3 points. Wearing a ring of inner fortitude ring does not make the wearer
07:29:44 <diebot> immune to conditions such as fatigued or exhausted even if the wearer ignores all ability damage, drain, or penalties from the condition. Source: Ultimate Equipment
07:30:08 <Mekkis> how so?
07:30:34 <Steven1> Enlarge person gives you a -2 dex penalty.
07:30:43 <Steven1> due to size
07:31:27 <Steven1> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-inner-fortitud
07:31:33 <Steven1> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-inner-fortitude
07:34:02 <Steven1> it was one of the errata
08:18:46 <Mekkis> Brunius, http://www.aec.gov.au/enrol/
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08:21:31 <Proquar> m
08:21:36 <Proquar> hey mekkis
08:21:42 <Mekkis> hey Proquar
08:21:54 <Proquar> when are you signing up for the saturday game?
08:22:08 <Proquar> The wounded wisp
08:22:24 <Proquar> do you remember my bumbling around the mechanics three years ago?
08:22:32 <Mekkis> I love paizo's errata policy
08:22:38 <Mekkis> I'll do it nowish
08:22:41 <Mekkis> Vaguely, yes
08:23:17 <Mekkis> There, signed up
08:23:19 <Proquar> well.. that's only gonna get worse
08:23:43 <Mekkis> ?
08:24:55 <Proquar> i haven't played any RPG's since then
08:25:16 <Mekkis> ah
08:25:19 <Mekkis> That's fine
08:25:36 <Proquar> I'd bumble around AD&D 2ed at the moment… and i understood those mechanics once
08:31:40 <Steven1> sometimes its wonky as fuck
08:34:46 <Avatar> what's wrong with it
08:35:42 <Mekkis> Have you signed up yet?
08:39:04 <Steven1> hmm
08:40:42 <Proquar> Yay!
08:40:54 <Proquar> For three sessions now! ack!
08:42:39 <Mekkis> I need to work out how to pull off a CSS Planter on Wednesday
08:43:25 <Mekkis> we're on a ship with 140 racist dwarves and a bunch of slaves
08:57:06 <Proquar> uh oh
08:57:20 <Proquar> anyways - i have to go rescue my motorcycle
08:58:28 <Mekkis> Avatar, the problem is that they only release errata when the print a book a second time
08:58:55 <Mekkis> Which means that the errata never gets properly reviewed
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09:55:43 <Steven1> yeah that is another one.
09:56:14 <Steven1> the only thing that annoys my character are constructs.
09:56:25 <Steven1> then i found out about the spell disable constructs
09:56:29 <Mekkis> isn't he pretty much retired now?
09:57:11 <Mekkis> http://www.pitbullarmory.com/images/stories/armor/animal-armor/Spok_in_metal.JPG
09:57:27 <Steven1> i have 2 games left to play with him
09:58:12 <Steven1> Shattered star which will get him to 19.6
09:58:29 <Steven1> and then race for the runecarved key
09:58:47 <Steven1> to get him to level 10
09:58:48 <Steven1> 20
10:00:00 <Mekkis> I don't see the point of playing APs out of Campaign Mode
10:00:40 <Steven1> we dont really play them
10:00:47 <Mekkis> "Hey, I'd like to play an AP without the continuity, the flexibility, and please try and leave out most of the non-combat bits"
10:01:05 <Steven1> we basically take the combats out of it, and run them.
10:01:23 <Steven1> and 80% of the fights are so heavily modified that they aren't the same encounters.
10:01:58 <Mekkis> I was building ROP chains today
10:03:48 <Steven1> like the last AP we 'ran'
10:03:55 <Steven1> was mummy's mask p6
10:04:19 <Steven1> none of the fights were the same asin the AP
10:04:58 <Mekkis> I'm at the start of part four of Reign of Winter
10:07:23 <Steven1> one part was supposed to be 4 creatures in a room with a pool of lava
10:08:20 <Steven1> yeah we skipped that and did something else instead
10:08:45 <Steven1> I had there be an efreeti monk
10:09:05 <Steven1> who was under constract to beat the shit out of ayone who entered the room
10:09:24 <Steven1> he was a tetori monk, so he could supress FoM and take people for a lava bath.
10:09:54 <Steven1> but was only an actual combat if people entered the room
10:10:15 <Steven1> because hey... contracts are contracts... and a hastily written contract has loopholes
10:16:57 <Mekkis> heh
10:17:06 <Mekkis> Have you read Hellknight?
10:20:06 <Steven1> pretty good prestige class
10:20:12 <Mekkis> I mean the book
10:20:37 <Steven1> probably not
10:20:39 <Mekkis> Vhaeros flattened his ears in vexation but took up a sentinel’s position outside the door, watching the street with a mixture of boredom and resignation. Occasionally, if a child looked at him, the fiendish creature wagged his tail.
10:20:40 <Mekkis> “He likes children?” Jheraal asked, mystified.
10:20:40 <Mekkis> “He likes baiting them into trying to pet him. Vhaeros is not permitted to harm any citizen of Cheliax except at my instruction, or if one lays a hand on him first. It’s an obvious loophole, I realize, but it does keep him entertained.”
10:22:11 <Mekkis> What do you think about Signifer?
10:22:28 <Steven1> its pretty good for an arcane caster
10:22:36 <Steven1> i dont particularly like it for divine casters
10:24:45 <Mekkis> What would you take for a divine caster?
10:25:54 <Steven1> depends on the divine caster
10:26:20 <Mekkis> take, for example, the melee cleric I've been talking about
10:26:28 <Steven1> for a paladin, i'd probably go with divine scion
10:26:53 <Mekkis> cleric 5 / Veiled illusionist 1. Where to from here?
10:27:12 <Steven1> iunno
10:27:22 <Steven1> i'd probably keep putting levels into veiled illusionist
10:28:26 <Mekkis> really?
10:28:52 <Steven1> yeah
10:28:59 <Steven1> I rather like the prestige class
10:31:09 <Mekkis> costs me BAB
10:32:32 <Steven1> is bab important?
10:32:44 <Mekkis> is bab important for a melee cleric?
10:33:17 <Steven1> shy are you a veiled illusionist as a melee cleric?
10:33:55 <Mekkis> because I want to cast some wizard illusion spells
10:34:20 <Steven1> like what?
10:35:55 <Mekkis> mirror image
10:36:04 <Mekkis> Major Image
10:36:12 <Mekkis> Displacement
10:36:21 <Mekkis> Stolen Light
10:37:19 <Steven1> i know the trickery domain has mirror image in a subschool
10:37:32 <Steven1> and displacement is on the protean subschool
10:37:58 <Mekkis> the one level dip into veiled illusionist is required
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13:16:02 <Brunius> Mekkis, I've been enrolled for years
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16:02:54 <Steven1> yo
16:11:36 <Steven1> well...
16:11:44 <Steven1> so, my brother bought a new truck.
16:11:51 <Steven1> giving me his car.
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19:46:20 <Mekkis> Brunius, http://www.aec.gov.au/enrol/
19:49:04 <Proquar> m
19:49:09 <Proquar> hey mekkis
19:49:16 <Mekkis> hey Proquar
19:49:27 <Proquar> when are you signing up for the saturday game?
19:49:41 <Proquar> The wounded wisp
19:49:58 <Proquar> do you remember my bumbling around the mechanics three years ago?
19:50:12 <Mekkis> I'll do it nowish
19:50:15 <Mekkis> Vaguely, yes
19:50:51 <Mekkis> There, signed up
19:50:52 <Proquar> well.. that's only gonna get worse
19:51:17 <Mekkis> ?
19:52:29 <Proquar> i haven't played any RPG's since then
19:52:50 <Mekkis> ah
19:52:53 <Mekkis> That's fine
19:53:09 <Proquar> I'd bumble around AD&D 2ed at the moment… and i understood those mechanics once
20:03:16 <Mekkis> Have you signed up yet?
20:08:15 <Proquar> Yay!
20:08:27 <Proquar> For three sessions now! ack!
20:10:13 <Mekkis> I need to work out how to pull off a CSS Planter on Wednesday
20:10:58 <Mekkis> we're on a ship with 140 racist dwarves and a bunch of slaves
20:24:39 <Proquar> uh oh
20:24:54 <Proquar> anyways - i have to go rescue my motorcycle
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22:55:23 <Mekkis> lol
22:55:26 <Mekkis> " A lot of people are under the impression that this is a game that we play to have fun, and that they ought to be able to show up to a game day and have that fun even if they don't obsessively keep up up with stuff that gets posted over on a forum or a web page somewhere."
23:19:27 <Brunius> Man, that thread.
23:49:20 <Avatar> what thread
23:57:20 <Brunius> Paizo Messageboards, it's the one about the UE Errata
23:57:28 <Brunius> Page 9 is that quote.
23:57:48 <Brunius> Starts with Chris Mortika and a VL going "IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES YOU'RE LITERALLY HITLER"
23:57:55 <Brunius> (okay, slightly exaggerated)
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