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15:47 <Avatar> Mekkis: already done
15:59 <Avatar> the problem wasn't getting the images out, it just took overlay text with it
48:22 <Steven> well that sucks... my meeting got moved back till 2pm.
48:28 <Steven> i wont get to play in the game.
17:32 <Avatar> which game
21:22 <Steven> philderbeasts game.
30:28 <Avatar> ops
32:31 <Steven> alrighty.. there my day works again.
33:33 <Steven> fuckin dr office refused to give me an estimate on how long my dads appointment would take.
34:14 <Steven> because im not my dad, im just the guy that takes care of him.
34:24 Gamera has quit (Quit: )
35:55 <Steven> had to get my dad to call them and ask, i tried handing him the phone but it was my phone.
36:24 <Steven> and some stupid thing about them not being able to verify it was him without his name showing up on the caller id.
36:40 <Steven> because nobody would ever steal a phone.
44:40 Steven has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
12:27 <Mekkis> │T
18:01 <Philderbeast> well we have 2 players... 
18:40 <Steven> hmmm... i could build my hulk character
18:52 <Philderbeast> what build are you going for with it?
19:08 <Steven> its.... weird.
20:51 <Philderbeast> not another boon bady lol
20:56 <Philderbeast> baby*
21:07 <Steven> i do have an eyes boon i've yet to apply.
21:31 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, when does your posting start?
21:32 <Philderbeast> i still havent seen that boon.... looking forward to playing it and seeing what it is
21:48 <Philderbeast> the game, 10am
22:00 <Steven> well since you're my gm... i may use it, in which case i can tell you right now.
22:12 <Steven> Its +2 to a stat.
22:22 <Philderbeast> cool
22:42 <Steven> its a damn good boon thats for sure.
23:04 <Philderbeast> yea, no idea if/when ill get it or what i will do with it when i do though lol
23:54 <Steven> oh i know... i'll go to the 'unique pfs legal builds thread' on paizo and pick something there to buidl.
24:40 <Steven> i know for sure it will be unique because nobody else will be building one.
26:06 <Mekkis> How about a communist bard?
26:19 <Mekkis> preach Leninism
26:57 <Steven> a communist bard of abadar thats going into exalted
27:13 <Steven> and so at level 14 will pick up the scales of balance ability
27:20 <Steven> that allows him to redistribute hit points?
27:47 <Steven> between all willing allys within 30ft
28:27 <Steven> just max constitution.
28:50 <Steven> have like 250hp at 14th level.
29:15 <Steven> probably more if i went balls deep into it.
31:27 <Steven> oh... what am i doing... i can make old man greg!
31:55 <Philderbeast> now im curious
32:02 <Mekkis> has to be from Brevoy!
33:11 <Steven> its a gunslinger/Grenadier alchemist. 
33:18 <Steven> uses a blunderbus
33:31 <Philderbeast> oh god... i have seen that class mix before....
34:07 <Steven> he is going to have one of those floating chairs.
34:17 <Steven> and a porter that pushes it around while he sleeps.
34:49 <Steven> old man greg.
34:53 <Mekkis> yes. It's Mr "rules as written, even if they're ridiculous"
35:05 <Steven> damn right it is!
35:39 <Philderbeast> I really should use my convention boons
37:14 <Steven> had to restart google.
37:26 <Steven> damn update.
38:00 <Steven> if they ever change the rules on the class, i'll just convert over because i will have already had my fun.
38:22 <Mekkis> why don't you get an IRC client, Steven?
38:47 <Steven> i had one.
38:52 <Steven> and it kept wanting to be updated.
39:03 <Brunius_> so get a better one
39:08 <Steven> and i got annoyed because it worked fine and then it was like you must update now or i wont work
39:12 <Steven> so i was like... get fucked.
39:23 <Steven> and uninstalled it.
41:52 <Steven> suppose i could always do my summoner pugwampi cheese
43:24 <Philderbeast> hmmm am i crazy enough to unbind half my characters to get there chronicals scanned in
44:07 <Steven> i just have a big pile of chronical sheets stacked up in my desk drawr... i do all of it online these days to cut down on shit i carry.
44:39 <Philderbeast> thats why i need to do my scanning :P
45:31 <Steven> i use spreadsheets.
45:48 <Philderbeast> then i just take my tablet to games days and i have everything that can be possibly asked for
46:00 <Steven> to track all my stuff. so if a gm wants to see my wealth or what not, i just give them a link.
46:21 <Steven> the downside is that i dont get to use my awesome boons from the chronicle sheets
47:05 <Philderbeast> to be honest i could not tell you what half the boons my characters have are these days to use them anyway
47:53 <Steven> they usually are not important... oh +2 bonus to perception checks to find pictographs while in dwarven strongholds 
47:55 <Philderbeast> I might go through and consolidate them one day so i can use them
48:15 <Steven> so far my favorite boon is on my fetchling.
48:16 <Philderbeast> awsoms i just scanned a blacnk page
48:47 <Steven> played the game where he got to pay 20pp and become a member of the blackrose family.
48:59 <Steven> absolutely fucking priceless.
49:28 <Philderbeast> nice
49:37 <Steven> because the backstory is that he is an ex member of the Onyx Alliance
49:39 <Philderbeast> ahhh i just found one i liked...
49:46 <Philderbeast> the Sky citadel boon
49:56 <Philderbeast> on the character i played legacy of the stonelords on
50:12 <Steven> for years the onyx alliance took tribute from the blackrose family in the form of the eldest daughter of each generation.
50:23 <Steven> so now im married to one.
50:28 <Steven> im sure its a very tense wedding.
52:22 <Philderbeast> hehehe i just found that boon
54:09 <Steven> the blackrose marriage thing?
54:15 <Philderbeast> yea
54:21 <Steven> you played it?
54:36 <Philderbeast> yep
54:40 <Philderbeast> im holding the chronical
54:49 <Steven> so you know the start when you come across nigel aldain?
54:59 <Steven> well my character pulled out his wand, hit him with a cure spell.
55:05 <Philderbeast> lol
55:25 <Steven> and so he wakes up... sees me and the gm is like.... "Well fuck... I knew you sons of bitches would be back"
55:39 <Philderbeast> yea got to love that
55:55 <Steven> and so my character being a happy guy... i mean he doesnt have to live on the shadow plane and live in fear of zon kuthon.
56:10 <Steven> really the material plane is an alright place.
56:36 <Steven> so he is like "Nah Nigel its me, Crant."
56:48 <Steven> gm "Double fuck.... What you gonna steal this time?"
57:20 <Steven> laughs were had.
57:35 <Steven> breaths were lost
57:38 <Steven> enhalers used.
57:43 <Steven> all in all... great time.
00:02 <Steven> 3 players bro!
01:03 <Philderbeast> sweet
01:09 <Philderbeast> it will probably be full by morning
01:47 <Philderbeast> the bonus of running a newer scenario
01:54 <Philderbeast> most people havent played it yet
02:11 <Steven> suppose i could always make a bladebound kensai magus....
02:18 <Steven> level 4 only like 30ac.
05:52 <Steven> so.... weapon finesse, weapon focus aldori dueling sword from class, slashing grace
05:55 <Philderbeast> 1 more character to scan and im up to date....
06:14 <Steven> i guess dodge feat.
07:28 <Steven> 27ac not fighting defensively.
08:49 <Steven> +9 to hit for 1d8+5 damage
10:40 <Steven> cost me a total of 1100g.
12:24 <Steven> meh.
12:54 <Philderbeast> can you get to the paizo site?
14:03 <Steven> yeah
14:23 <Philderbeast> hmmm its not working for me
23:31 <Brunius|M> Does every Facebook group have someone who posts like five times a day?
23:47 <Steven> no only the pathfinder ones.
25:39 <Steven> my biggest complaint about the pathfinder facebook is you have 1-2 people who just flood it every week or so with stupid shit that if they spent 5 minutes on a paizo forum they would find the answer
27:40 <Brunius_> I'm in a group for a 10mm wargame, and there's one guy from the UK that it seems MUST post something three to five times a day
27:59 <Brunius_> Whether that's a list, oooh look at what I bought, what about this scenario idea
28:01 <Steven> sounds annoying as hell
28:04 <Brunius_> like
28:06 <Brunius_> goddamn
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44:55 <Philderbeast> morning
46:53 <s_gmusic> yo
46:59 <Philderbeast> hows things going
54:45 <Avatar> zzzz
58:45 <Philderbeast> fair enough
13:26 <s_gmusic> trying to find a decent set of rules to use gunpla for warmachine
15:33 <Avatar> Philderbeast: yell out if anyone drops from your game
18:51 <Philderbeast> will dop
38:32 <Philderbeast|Away> right, I now have a full set of representative tokens for all the bad guys so I'm off to bed, see you in ~10 hours for the game
04:15 <Avatar> Mekkis: already done
04:28 <Avatar> the problem wasn't getting the images out, it just took overlay text with it
12:30 <Avatar> did brunius say anything about whether he's going to make those games or not
15:18 <Philderbeast> I havnt heard from him
18:24 <Avatar> yesterday I mean
18:50 <Avatar> he said he might not be able to make them and will keep us posted
19:02 <Avatar> I don't know whether to advertise for more players for words of the ancients or not
19:20 <Philderbeast> yea no idea on that one
20:27 <Avatar> I like how you got a comment saying that your warhorn says EST but your post says UTC+11, which is it
20:57 <Avatar> basically that is how we are every time schedules a game with their timezone in EST
21:04 <Avatar> except at least you put down a UTC time as well
21:39 <Philderbeast> yea its just because of warhorn it doest back AEDST as an option
21:39 <Philderbeast> so i changed it to UTC lol
36:50 <Steven> well that sucks... my meeting got moved back till 2pm.
36:56 <Steven> i wont get to play in the game.
38:14 <Philderbeast> looks like i might have a spot Avatar 
59:20 <Avatar> yeah?
59:26 <Avatar> pass me your url
59:34 <Philderbeast> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g3gzoyzvea5afv444rooanqgmya
59:42 <Philderbeast> https://app.roll20.net/join/626344/5eBKSA
00:32 <Philderbeast> [email protected]
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24:43 <Brunius> Mekkis Avatar I'll be at the games
46:41 <Avatar> this party has a guy in it that doesn't talk and doesn't communicate what he's gesturing, even though he's got set gestures for what he's found
47:45 <Mekkis> what?
48:19 <Avatar> the first thing he did was scout ahead, but he can't talk for some reason
48:25 <Avatar> so he relies on gestures, and he's told us what those gestures are
48:33 <Avatar> but doesn't actually tell us what he's gesturing
49:03 <Mekkis> seems dumb. Especially online
51:03 <Avatar> yeah
51:14 <Avatar> sometimes you get people who just go quiet for no reason
06:01 <Avatar> which game
09:51 <Steven> philderbeasts game.
18:56 <Avatar> ops
21:00 <Steven> alrighty.. there my day works again.
22:01 <Steven> fuckin dr office refused to give me an estimate on how long my dads appointment would take.
22:42 <Steven> because im not my dad, im just the guy that takes care of him.
24:24 <Steven> had to get my dad to call them and ask, i tried handing him the phone but it was my phone.
24:53 <Steven> and some stupid thing about them not being able to verify it was him without his name showing up on the caller id.
25:08 <Steven> because nobody would ever steal a phone.
02:37 <Avatar> this party has a paladin/swashbuckler/ranger character
02:50 <Avatar> bizarro combo for a level 4 character
07:01 <Avatar> he's also tiny somehow
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20:18 <Avatar> yeah fair go
20:24 <Mekkis> moin
20:31 <Avatar> what do you reckon mekkis
20:58 <Mekkis> tiny creature 5'ing into an enemy space?
21:10 <Avatar> enemy 5'ing out of the mouser's square
21:33 <Avatar> 'if the foe attempts to move to a position ....'
21:39 <Mekkis> doesn't provoke
22:31 <Avatar> you have to remember the 5-foot step isn't considered "movement"
24:03 <Mekkis> the 5-foot step wouldn't provoke
25:30 <Mekkis> I would claim that the "tiny" rules trump the Underfoot Assault rules
26:54 <Philderbeast> what is it was a small mouser in a large creatures space
27:31 <Avatar> that means it's qualified to use underfoot assault
28:05 <Philderbeast> yep, but im wondering if you think that would prevoke due to underfoot assult
30:12 <Avatar> same thing?
31:23 <Philderbeast> if what I would say it provokes, due to underfoot assault, im wondering what mekkis thinks does that trump the 5tft step
34:13 <Mekkis> I can't parse what you're saying
35:18 <Philderbeast> your  saying tiny trumps underfoot assult, so what if they where one size biger
36:19 <Avatar> the mouser was small, not tiny
36:24 <Mekkis> oh. So if there's a small creature who has used the underfoot assault deed (spending panache and immediate action to enter the space)...
36:31 <Avatar> yeah
36:41 <Mekkis> Then it would provoke.
37:10 <Philderbeast> so it trumps the 5ft step general rule but not the tiny general rule... interesting call
38:10 <Mekkis> The reason I would rule that way, is because I read the intent that the mouser would be required to use the deed to begin underfoot assault.
39:06 <Mekkis> I don't think the designers would have intended to allow a tiny creature to benefit from the underfoot assault modifiers without spending the panache, and being missed.
41:19 <Philderbeast> RAI your probably right, RAW though....
41:31 <Mekkis> RAW, it's a grey area
41:47 <Mekkis> As such, I'll make a ruling based on my interpretation.
43:07 <Mekkis> (FYI, in PFS, It's Run As Written, not Rules As Written)
47:09 <Philderbeast> ummm yes thats acctully spelled out in the guide that you cant go against a published source for rules....
47:20 <Mekkis> oh?
47:24 <Avatar> it's not clear though
47:27 <Philderbeast> so you have to run rules as written
47:31 <Mekkis> sure, but it's a clear grey area
47:38 <Philderbeast> As a Pathfinder Society GM, you have the right and responsibility to make whatever judgements, within the rules, that you feel are necessary at your table to ensure everyone has a fair and fun experience. This does not mean you can contradict rules or restrictions outlined in this document, a published Pathfinder Roleplaying Game source, errata document, or o
47:51 <Avatar> it's not like it says it always provokes even on a 5-foot step, and I'm saying forget that, it doesn't provoke
48:06 <Avatar> if it's a grey area, it's a GM call, even in PFS
48:56 <Avatar> if the rule is clear, you can't change the rule
49:43 <Philderbeast> You can move 5 feet in any round when you don’t perform any other kind of movement. its still moving
49:53 <Philderbeast> thats straight from the drb
49:57 <Philderbeast> crb*
50:37 <Avatar> I'm not sure that it qualifies
50:48 <Avatar> a 5-foot step isn't part of a move action
50:57 <Avatar> it's "not an action"
51:06 <Philderbeast> mind you, if you read it that all 5 foot steps regardless of size did not provoke, i could understand thta
51:19 <Philderbeast> but basing it on being tiny is where i start to have an issue with it
51:30 <Avatar> can't be 100% sure either way
52:00 <Philderbeast> I could deal with table variation, but it should be consistant at that table.
52:27 <Philderbeast> if i had a small and a tiny mouser, i would expect 5 foot steps out of there square to either prevoke from both or neither
54:08 <Philderbeast> I sent your chronical btw avatar
54:31 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, do you think that the stuff under "underfoot assault" applies in cases when the character did not use the deed to get into that position?
54:50 <Philderbeast> yep, there are 2 sections to the deed
55:09 <Philderbeast> one is how to get in to somones square if your only one size smaller, the other is the effects if your in somones square
56:44 <Mekkis> I will concede that that is one interpretation
56:59 <Philderbeast> so if your in say a huge creatures space, that you don't need to use the deed to get in to, you still get the other benifits
57:17 <Mekkis> but if I were playing such a character, I would be prepared to accept a GM ruling the other way
57:27 <Philderbeast> but you dont get to move in as an immidiate action
58:09 <Philderbeast> i would expect some table variation, but i would not expect it to be reliant on how I got there
02:19 <Avatar> oh wow I only have just enough fame to buy this damn belt
02:42 <Philderbeast> its on the chronical anyway
02:45 <Philderbeast> so you dont need fame
02:47 <Avatar> belt of str
02:55 <Avatar> what am I going to do with a belt of dex
03:00 <Philderbeast> good point 
03:25 <Avatar> I'm not actually 100% sure it's the best option
03:39 <Avatar> it's kind of important though and on my wishlist
03:43 <Avatar> I started this paladin with a 14 str
04:05 <Brunius> What did Bairaq start with
04:11 <Brunius> 16 it looks like
04:18 <Brunius> or maybe 15
04:42 <Avatar> charisma-heavy
04:50 <Avatar> I don't remember the last time I used smite evil
04:54 <Brunius> why not
05:03 <Brunius> you should have an excuse to use it most scenarios
05:03 <Avatar> I keep thinking I will need it later
05:09 <Avatar> and then I just don't
05:14 <Philderbeast> how many uses do you have
05:14 <Brunius> You get out of that mindset later
05:19 <Avatar> 1/day
05:23 <Brunius> When you end up with more /day
05:26 <Philderbeast> yea thats understandable
05:28 <Avatar> + I can burn 2 uses of lay on hands for another use
05:36 <Avatar> even lay on hands I'm not using much
05:51 <Avatar> 8/day of lay on hands
06:17 <Brunius> mate why are you even playing a paladin
06:21 <Brunius> might as well just play a fighter
06:24 <Avatar> maybe I shouldn't have swapped out channel positive energy
06:24 <Brunius> or a stonelord I guess
06:32 <Avatar> I don't know! I'm terrible with martials
06:40 <Avatar> initially the sczarni paladin was the great idea I had
06:44 <Avatar> but then paizo came along
07:12 <Brunius> those paizo fellows eh
07:18 <Avatar> instead of making interesting moral decisions, I had the choice of being a market runner or change faction to something boring
09:22 <Avatar> I'm not sure there was any reason to really ditch the old factions, nothing has really come of that, has it
09:39 <Avatar> except I guess with shadow lodge
10:01 <Avatar> but then anyone in the shadow lodge was even more screwed than while they were with shadow lodge
10:18 <Avatar> basically defeated their reason for being there in the first place
10:41 <Avatar> it's not like they have a way to defect from the society for making them join a faction
10:55 <Avatar> it's like, pick one or leave the game!
12:15 <Brunius> oh shit yeah
12:20 <Brunius> what's going on with factions
12:28 <Brunius> I guess if I'm getting back into PFS I should figure that out
12:42 <Philderbeast> good question
12:52 <Philderbeast> since the start of season 5... they are almost pointless
12:56 <Philderbeast> but apparently they are going to fix that
14:11 <Avatar> they just renamed most of them
14:21 <Avatar> sczarni, shadow lodge and lantern lodge don't exist anymore
14:28 <Avatar> you get a free faction change for all your characters
14:43 <Avatar> sczarni got rolled up with qadira into The Exchange faction
14:51 <Avatar> but really it's more qadira than sczarni
15:32 <Avatar> it's basically like a toxic relationship
15:51 <Avatar> qadira wanted total market dominance, sczarni wanted personal gain
15:59 <Avatar> so now the exchange's goal is dominance through trade
16:09 <Avatar> sczarni basically got screwed
21:57 <s_gmusic> I'm kinda disappointed in some of the faction changes. As-is, if you're not one of the factions the scenario is made for, then you're not really getting anything for running it. 
23:29 <Avatar> I actually don't have enough for that damn belt
30:41 <s_gmusic> what belt?
31:03 <Mekkis> yeah, that was a bad idea, what they did in season 5
34:05 <Mekkis> I managed to get Ecidon's attack modifier to -18!
40:42 <Avatar> nice I like useless eidolons
41:25 <Avatar> jena's eidolon got some sort of disease, and it sounded quite serious re what was going to happen when the onset hit
41:34 <Avatar> but then it was like meh? just resummon the next day
41:40 <Avatar> eidolons.
47:09 <Mekkis> Ecidon isn't an eidolon.
47:13 <Mekkis> It's my character
47:30 <Philderbeast> hmmm a new evergreen
05:20 <Avatar> that's pretty sweet
06:46 <Avatar> I haven't actually played the confirmation yet, only GM'd it
06:57 <Brunius> don't think I've played it either
07:04 <Brunius> that's the cheliax one isn't it
07:13 <Avatar> it's the season 5 evergreen
07:18 <Avatar> replacing first steps 2/3
07:26 <Brunius> which one am i thinking of that's the cheliax ender
07:37 <Avatar> cheliax didn't end
07:49 <Avatar> are you thinking of fortress of the nail
07:52 <Brunius> nope
07:54 <Brunius> I've played that
08:26 <Avatar> might have to be more specific than 'cheliax ender'
08:43 <Brunius> if cheliax still exists as a faction then there wasn't one that I'm thinking of
08:54 <Avatar> cheliax is dark archives now
09:01 <Avatar> but they all 'changed' like that
09:10 <Avatar> except sczarni which got screwed over
09:43 <Avatar> I have a theory they got rid of sczarni because nobody got pronounce it, and that's bad marketing
09:51 <Avatar> nobody could* pronounce it
22:25 <Mekkis> I have a theory that they did the faction changes to ultimately kill off the factions
22:47 <Avatar> doubt it
33:23 <Philderbeast> morning
35:21 <s_gmusic> yo
35:28 <Philderbeast> hows things going
37:32 <Mekkis> if that wasn't their intention, it seems to be the effect
39:00 <Avatar> yeah
39:12 <Avatar> I think they thought it would give authors leeway to get some really interesting things done, but that hasn't worked out
39:32 <Avatar> I think it did sound exciting in the beginning when they talked about it
39:45 <Avatar> more story-centric
42:30 <Philderbeast> it is nice where it works, it certainly got rid of the "do i find a book in this room" style of gameplay
43:14 <Avatar> zzzz
43:38 <Philderbeast> right, now to load weapons and skills to finish the first page of my dynamic character sheet
47:14 <Philderbeast> fair enough
01:55 <s_gmusic> trying to find a decent set of rules to use gunpla for warmachine
04:02 <Avatar> Philderbeast: yell out if anyone drops from your game
04:19 <Avatar> yeah finding a book in this room was dumb
04:30 <Avatar> but having something different to do was cool
04:49 <Avatar> they needed something similar that doesn't feel meaningless
07:15 <Philderbeast> i really like the new faction missions, there just arn't enough of them
07:20 <Philderbeast> will dop
07:56 <Mekkis> some of the secondary success conditions are shitty
08:17 <Philderbeast> personaly i would like to see a mic of the old and new style of faction missions, so sometimes you get a note telling you what to do, other times you just have to play your faction well to get it
10:05 <Philderbeast> secondary success conditions are a mixed bag ill agree...
14:52 <Avatar> today's was a bit dumb by the sounds of it
15:06 <Avatar> I don't really know how we accomplished it
15:21 <Philderbeast> todays was just complicated
15:34 <Philderbeast> you got the prestige easily, the boon was a little gm fait
16:05 <Avatar> oops somehow I completely skipped over reading the boon
16:15 <Avatar> I just ignored that and my eyes went STRAIGHT FOR THE GOLD
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28:52 <Steven> let it be known far and wide... today has sucked a big fat cock
30:11 <Avatar> what now
31:07 <Steven> my day has sucked.
31:15 <Steven> iam glad to be done with it.
34:51 <Steven> time to watch a movie.
35:06 <Steven> gotta fin me something worthwhile 
00:59 <Avatar> did brunius say anything about whether he's going to make those games or not
01:03 <Philderbeast> :(
02:56 <Philderbeast> was a shame you couldnt play today
03:16 <Steven> hey only a 3 hour meeting.
03:26 <Avatar> don't worry steven I kept your seat warm
03:34 <Steven> cool, thanks man
03:38 <Avatar> np
03:47 <Philderbeast> I havnt heard from him
03:47 <Philderbeast> if your nice i will run it again at a decent time for you
03:48 <Steven> i really didnt have to be there for the meeting.
04:19 <Steven> well... i did... but i interacted for about 10 minutes and then the other time was learning information i already knew.
04:42 <Avatar> I hate meetings
04:50 <Steven> i get that some people are stupid and have to be constantly reintroduced to concepts they already know.
05:12 <Steven> i am not one of them
05:18 <Avatar> I find most people who like meetings like chitchatting about garbage through half of it
05:43 <Avatar> sorry guyz I don't like having unfunny life conversations
05:58 <Steven> i know right?
06:10 <Avatar> like how do you guys keep coming up with this day after day?
06:33 <Avatar> alright igottago
06:53 <Avatar> yesterday I mean
06:53 <Steven> Just give me my fucking paperwork to fill out, give me 10 minutes to do it and then let me go.
07:19 <Avatar> he said he might not be able to make them and will keep us posted
07:31 <Avatar> I don't know whether to advertise for more players for words of the ancients or not
07:49 <Philderbeast> yea no idea on that one
08:56 <Avatar> I like how you got a comment saying that your warhorn says EST but your post says UTC+11, which is it
09:26 <Avatar> basically that is how we are every time schedules a game with their timezone in EST
09:33 <Avatar> except at least you put down a UTC time as well
10:08 <Philderbeast> yea its just because of warhorn it doest back AEDST as an option
10:08 <Philderbeast> so i changed it to UTC lol
26:04 <Philderbeast> doh
26:15 <Philderbeast> i hate reading a scenario after you run it and realising you missed something
26:18 <Philderbeast> even when its small
26:36 <Steven> i feels ya.
26:41 <Steven> I tend to run cold a lot.
26:43 <Philderbeast> looks like i might have a spot Avatar 
27:30 <Philderbeast> at least this one didnt effect the outcome one bit
33:45 <Philderbeast> have any of you guys played and 5e yet?
34:08 <Steven> I played it at gencon
34:32 <Steven> I was very disappointed. 
34:58 <Steven> it may have been the super long wait in the line, or the 20 minutes of game play after that.
35:12 <Philderbeast> lol
35:35 <Steven> but i think it was mostly the anything goes
35:54 <Steven> which is fine
36:28 <Philderbeast> just not your style?
36:48 <Steven> very much not my style.
37:24 <Steven> The rules give people the abillity to be protected from GM Whim
38:15 <Philderbeast> not nessecarly a bad thing
38:58 <Steven> It allows players to know what they are or are not allowed to do within the rules.
40:23 <Steven> like... I want to jump this 20 ft gap.  Okay I have an ACP of -4 and an Acrobatics check of +11, the ground is wet so thats -2. Total of +5 to a jump check.
40:28 <Steven> do i want to risk it
40:58 <Steven> hmmm... no i dont think i could reliably make that jump so instead i will double move around the hole.
42:30 <Steven> now the GM can further modify the situation, but as a player with some knowledge of the conditions i am better able to control my character.
43:17 <Philderbeast> see that sounds like a good thing
43:38 <Philderbeast> having some idea of it something is possible before trying it
44:10 <Steven> that would be my biggest complaint about 5e its more story based
44:27 <Philderbeast> more roleplay less rollplay
44:29 <Philderbeast> ?
44:29 <Steven> where if i can talk about how awesome i am doing things, its more likely to work out.
45:05 <Steven> and if im going to rely on that I might as well call up ash and get him to run me a 13th age game.
46:43 <Steven> It is a system that is very much geared towards having a group of people that dont want rules to interfere with their shenanigans/descriptions 
46:53 <Steven> all of that is my opinion of course, i have some friends that refuse to play Pathfinder but love 5e.
47:14 <Philderbeast> roleplaying - pick your flavor
47:21 <Steven> all because they can do whatever the hell they want so long as they can get the gm to go along with it.
47:49 <Avatar> yeah?
47:55 <Avatar> pass me your url
48:03 <Philderbeast> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g3gzoyzvea5afv444rooanqgmya
48:11 <Philderbeast> https://app.roll20.net/join/626344/5eBKSA
49:01 <Philderbeast> [email protected]
49:36 <Steven> Really though the system is irrelevant if you are enjoying the table interaction.  Like when I am sitting at a table with my friends walter, little steve, melissa, bobby, and andrew.  We make our fun.
52:14 <Steven> We could play whatever and make it work.
53:34 <Steven> amyways.
53:37 <Steven> anyways
53:54 <Steven> 5e<Pathfinder imo.
54:05 <Philderbeast> fair enough
54:35 <Philderbeast> hmmm I just realised that the charcter i just set up doesnt have enough cash for the weapon i want on him lol
54:45 <Steven> at winterfest i ran into a player with 50+characters
55:32 <Steven> and she was exceptionally proud of the fact she had credit on 50+ characters.
55:53 <Philderbeast> how did che acctully manage that
56:05 <Philderbeast> like 2 of them over level 1?
56:21 <Steven> she has 10 level 1 characters with 1 exp saved for aasimar
56:26 <Steven> 10 for tieflings
56:49 <Steven> one of every playtest class.
57:04 <Steven> and then some other random shit.
57:18 <Philderbeast> so she played/ran like 40 games of the confirmation
57:35 <Steven> yeah.
57:51 <Steven> I honestly think its the guy who was trying to get specials in so he could get his 5th star.
57:59 <Philderbeast> hmmm what reach weapon should i give my stonelord
58:39 <Steven> his tables were chocked full of table variation.
58:54 <Steven> martial weapon?
59:05 <Philderbeast> yea i have martials
59:12 <Philderbeast> its a paladin after all
59:57 <Steven> lucerne hammer is a pretty nice weapon
00:40 <Philderbeast> its only for one game till i can get his proper weapon, im just a little short on gp due to getting masterwork full plate
01:15 <Steven> why get a reach weapon at all then?
01:30 <Steven> pick up a shield and get a club for one game.
01:35 <Philderbeast> he is set up for one with combat reflexes
01:35 <Avatar> animback
01:48 <Avatar> Judas has a lucerne hammer
01:56 <Avatar> I should probably get that masterworked
02:13 <Steven> yeah a lucerne hammer then
02:13 <Philderbeast> and will be getting a Dorn-dergar 
02:28 <Steven> its B or P which means it works under water
02:39 <Avatar> er, really?
02:52 <Avatar> where is the rule about that
03:24 <Mekkis> piercing weapons have less of a penalty underwater
03:24 <Philderbeast> in underwater combat
03:30 <Mekkis> it's in the Environment section
03:32 <Steven> under water combat... 
03:39 <Avatar> oh cool
03:59 <Steven> B/S weapons take a -2 and do half damage.
04:00 <Avatar> I usually avoid using my lucerne hammer specifically because it had a lower attack bonus
04:04 <Avatar> that was a bit silly of me
04:11 <Steven> piercing weapons dont have any penalty underwater.
04:21 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, I've played 5e. I had a good time, but I'm not sure if it's the group or the system. I'm thinking it was probably the group, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.
04:44 <Mekkis> I do find it frustrating at the lack of electronic resources
05:19 <Philderbeast> the joys of new things...
06:07 <Avatar> after 4e I don't think I can trust wotc ever again
06:26 <Avatar> how do you play pathfinder and then go back to d&d
06:35 <Avatar> it's better than 3.5, it's better than 4
06:54 <Avatar> 5e has to do to pathfinder what pathfinder did to 3.5, and that just isn't happening unless they pull a miracle out of their hat
06:57 <Philderbeast> yea im not leaving pathfinder any time soon
07:00 <Avatar> and if they'd done that, we'd have heard about it by now
07:13 <Avatar> I don't want to play d&d because it's d&d
07:20 <Steven> because avatar, with a sufficiently fun group of people the system you are playing is irrelevant. 
07:29 <Avatar> not *just* because it's d&d
07:51 <Avatar> could you say that about 4e
08:13 <Steven> yes.
08:15 <Avatar> no that is a lie
08:24 <Avatar> an outrageously told lie
08:38 <Avatar> I know you are saying that because you want to believe it but unfortunately it is not the truth
08:42 <Steven> no, it is the truth.
08:55 <Steven> That is not to say i wouldnt rather be playing another system.
08:57 <Avatar> a filthy lie
09:08 <Avatar> you just said it is irrelevant
09:18 <Avatar> it can't be both irrelevant and a system you'd rather play less
09:35 <Avatar> I respect your pragmatism, don't get me wrong
09:47 <Avatar> but sometimes you need to take a side
10:00 <Steven> okay in more basic form.  Handjobs are fun, blowjobs are fun, sex is fun.
10:08 <Steven> I'd rather have sex.
10:21 <Avatar> are we really going down this path
10:47 <Steven> but if a lady wants to give me a handy im not going to tell her its sex or nothing at all.
11:12 <Avatar> okay my point is, given the choice, you would always rather have sex
11:19 <Avatar> because that's your favourite
11:29 <Steven> yes
11:32 <Steven> but fun is fun
11:43 <Avatar> you almost always have the choice here
13:13 <Brunius> Mekkis Avatar I'll be at the games
13:21 <Steven> given the all star table of friends that would be my dream table.
13:48 <Steven> It would not matter if we played shadow run, pathfinder, or d&d
14:00 <Steven> because we would have fun
14:44 <Steven> history has shown me that Pathfinder provides the most consistent means to have fun with a group of people.
16:05 <Steven> thats why i play pathfinder more then other gaming systems.
17:30 <Steven> 5e had some fairly glaring holes in its presentation at gencon, and was confusing when we played at the shop because the brunt of system knowledge was carried by the GM(who basically decided if we succeeded or not what seemed randomly)
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18:11 <Steven> I still had fun playing with my friends though. 
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19:21 <Steven> could i have had more fun? perhaps, but that is just a Debbie Downer point of view.
19:47 <Philderbeast_laptop> time to pack up the desktop
20:13 <Steven> "Oh yeah i played 5e.  We killed like 5 orcs and a dragon without any casualties. Prolly would have had more fun playing Pathfinder."
21:12 <Steven> alright, brb, dad just called he needs help.
35:10 <Avatar> this party has a guy in it that doesn't talk and doesn't communicate what he's gesturing, even though he's got set gestures for what he's found
36:15 <Mekkis> what?
36:48 <Avatar> the first thing he did was scout ahead, but he can't talk for some reason
36:55 <Avatar> so he relies on gestures, and he's told us what those gestures are
37:03 <Avatar> but doesn't actually tell us what he's gesturing
37:33 <Mekkis> seems dumb. Especially online
39:32 <Avatar> yeah
39:43 <Avatar> sometimes you get people who just go quiet for no reason
47:28 <Brunius> May be slightly late on the 1st Avatar Mekkis, not more than 1/2 hour
10:12 <Steven> i has pie
11:14 <Philderbeast_laptop> pie is good
11:22 <Steven> pie is good
11:34 <Steven> I think tomorrow i shall have a Chicken Pot Pie.
11:40 <Steven> because... they are also good.
12:29 <Philderbeast_laptop> they are also good
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16:05 <philderbeast> i love bizar programming bugs :)
24:32 <philderbeast> *sigh* why is nothing ever easy
24:52 <Steven> because then it would have no worth
26:32 <philderbeast> its reading all the weapons, adding the right rows, but only adding the right data for one of them
27:07 <philderbeast> for wome reason its just witig over the same data each time
27:13 <philderbeast> not itterating peoperly
31:36 <Steven> while at the store, i bought some slippers
31:41 <Steven> they fucking rock
31:52 <philderbeast> i hate you
32:00 <philderbeast> and in other news weapons are fixed
33:49 <philderbeast> http://miburl.com/aGlDlc 
34:11 <philderbeast> so evrything there is generated from the herolab file
34:58 <Steven> my slippers are still cozy and warm.
35:23 <philderbeast> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B218aAbnJ24lWVhVdEt5QWpYRGM/view?usp=sharing the minified link doesnt seem to work
36:18 <Steven> seriously though, the only reason my slippers are so awesome is because its currently 4 degrees outside.
36:25 <philderbeast> lol
36:52 <Steven> 4F
37:19 <Steven> so that would be.... -12C
37:27 <philderbeast> yea not fin
37:36 <philderbeast> and bugger, its crashing on my phone
44:24 <philderbeast> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B218aAbnJ24lSUN3LUhYekVwWWM/view?usp=sharing
44:38 <philderbeast> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B218aAbnJ24lNGtCSlRRX3hXdVE/view?usp=sharing
44:42 <philderbeast> those are from my phone
45:12 <philderbeast> thoughts?
45:28 <Steven> none
45:45 <philderbeast> good bad ugly?
46:05 <Steven> seems fine to me.
46:13 <Steven> I use an electronic device and a pdf.
51:07 <Avatar> this party has a paladin/swashbuckler/ranger character
51:11 <philderbeast> ok sleep time, stupid work tomorrow
51:19 <Avatar> bizarro combo for a level 4 character
51:25 <Steven> im on the clock right now.
51:28 <Steven> bwahahaahahah
52:11 <Steven> quick philder!  Good movie selection!
55:18 <philderbeast> maze runer wasent bad
55:28 <Avatar> gravity is good
55:29 <philderbeast> the hunger games
55:30 <Avatar> he's also tiny somehow
55:35 <Avatar> moon
55:35 <philderbeast> yes gravity is good
55:54 <Avatar> the interview
55:59 <philderbeast> i watched hercules the other night that was good
56:04 <Avatar> do you have a genre preference
56:07 <Avatar> I could go for a while here
56:11 <Avatar> cypher
56:21 <Avatar> frost nixon
56:26 <philderbeast> guardians of the galaxy
56:30 <Avatar> goodbye solo
56:39 <Avatar> nightcrawler
58:28 <Steven> back
58:39 <Steven> i already watched maze runner
58:45 <Steven> wont watch hunger game
59:14 <Avatar> chronicle
59:28 <Avatar> silver linings playbook
59:49 <Avatar> I'm sure you'd have seen scott pilgrim vs the world
59:59 <Avatar> and slumdog millionaire
00:06 <Avatar> the stoning of soraya m
00:12 <Avatar> the adjustment bureau
00:16 <Avatar> do you want more
02:22 <Steven> im still waiting or something good.
02:22 <Steven> heh
02:25 <Steven> no but ive seen those and dont really feel like watching them.
04:01 <Steven> boom done
04:54 <Steven> howls moving castle
07:29 <Avatar> you've seen every one of those?
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08:48 <Steven> only one of them i havent seen is the silver linings playbook.
09:02 <Avatar> that is pretty impressive because some of those are obscure
09:49 <Steven> im on call 24hrs a day and once i wake up i very rarely can go back to sleep
10:08 <Avatar> I am the other way around
10:17 <Avatar> I am not on call and once I wake up I find it hard not to go back to sleep
10:23 <Steven> so i watch a lot of movies.
10:38 <Avatar> you should play some games
10:40 <Avatar> are you on steam
10:59 <Steven> i am, but i dont own that many steam games.
11:09 <Avatar> ok you will give me your username and I will add you
11:16 <Avatar> I will probably have something to gift you
11:33 <Steven> we are already friends on there, i was on playing teraria the other day.
11:36 <Steven> with my brother
11:39 <Avatar> oh really
11:57 <Avatar> ok found you
12:01 <Avatar> what kind of games do you like
12:18 <Steven> I already own all the games i like.
12:25 <Avatar> that is never true
12:33 <Avatar> you are telling a lot of lies today
12:38 <Avatar> you must have had a very bad day
12:55 <Steven> Currently have $185 in my gaming fund.
13:07 <Steven> if i want a game i buy it.
13:14 <Avatar> do you prefer single player or multiplayer
13:23 <Avatar> do you not want anything
13:31 <Steven> nope dont want anything.
13:37 <Avatar> alright up to you
13:52 <Steven> actually...
13:58 <Steven> think im going to get another piece of pie.
14:17 <Avatar> I have a copy of CS:GO that says NO LONGER VALID
14:18 <Avatar> :(
14:35 <Steven> weird
14:58 <Steven> i dunno if you've played the game Evolve
15:02 <Steven> but that game is a ton of fun.
15:30 <Steven> or exceptionally aggravating 
17:24 <Avatar> oh I've played evolve alright
17:30 <Avatar> I am salivating over evolve's release
17:45 <Avatar> they want to charge $80 aud for it here
17:52 <Avatar> sorry, $80 usd
17:54 <Steven> eek
18:20 <Avatar> I am terrified of that because this is simultaneously a too-expensive price and also a game I must have
18:21 <Steven> I played it a lot at pax
18:31 <Avatar> I was in the alpha
18:45 <Steven> NICE!
18:53 <Avatar> it ran terribly with my fairly low end video card, even on low resolution, but I still played it over and over and over and over
19:05 <Avatar> well it ran terribly on medium res, and not great on low res
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19:19 <Steven> i bet.
19:22 <Avatar> I was planning on buying a new video card basically today but I think I am holding out a bit longer
19:53 <Avatar> weird that rounds are only about 10 minutes long
19:59 <Avatar> kept getting fatigue from overplaying
20:30 <Avatar> usually you'd play 1, maybe 2 45-minute games of something
21:28 <Steven> thats about as long as i like playing any game really.
24:13 <Avatar> I'm going to have to advertise this game on the 3rd or it's not going to run
24:21 <Avatar> I can't work out why people aren't signing up to games anymore
25:27 <Avatar> I'm thinking they don't want to register to sign up, but a lot of people have already registered
28:07 <Avatar> plague rat belt is pretty sweet if you're considering a belt of con
28:27 <Avatar> 1200gp extra to reroll a save vs poison or disease 3/day as well
28:55 <Avatar> considering putting poison resistance on armor is +3000gp
29:20 <Steven> ehhhhhhh
30:19 <Steven> I like earth elemental belts if im going to get something thats not a +6 belt
37:10 <Avatar> no +6 belts before level 12
37:26 <Avatar> what does an earth elemental belt do
37:39 <Steven> +4 con belt
37:57 <Steven> 1/day for 10 minutes you can turn into a large earth elemental
41:15 <Steven> oh its 11 minutes
45:25 <Avatar> http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/style/2014/12/26/1Says1bHlR7GBsCy9QAwbJ/story.html
53:19 <Avatar> I wouldn't mind grabbing one of these, except it's in ISG: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/gauntlet-inheritor-s-gauntlet
08:32 <Avatar> can't roll higher than a 10 to hit
08:38 <Avatar> the whole scenario
36:14 <Avatar> let me know if you need any more info phil
40:04 <Philderbeast> i think i have everything i need
40:11 <Philderbeast> if not i know where to find you
40:44 <Avatar> yep
40:50 <Avatar> thanks for the game
41:10 <Philderbeast> hopefully it wasent to much of a train wreack
42:38 <Avatar> it was good
42:42 <Avatar> the party mix broke the scenario a little
43:21 <Philderbeast> it could have been worse
43:34 <Avatar> could've had a summoner
43:48 <Avatar> although we kind of did when you think about it
43:56 <Avatar> but that's his specialty, so can't complain
44:10 <Philderbeast> yea thats just it, there was one character that focused on killing undead
44:16 <Philderbeast> so the big encounters where easer for you
45:22 <Avatar> I like easy mode games
45:28 <Avatar> especially where I can't hit anything
46:34 <Avatar> I think I can afford my belt of dex now
47:04 <Philderbeast> nice
47:57 <Philderbeast> wow 3 players where playing character 14
55:41 <Avatar> I don't think the mouser was able to provoke attacks when the bad guy was 5ft stepping out of his square
56:26 <Avatar> The mouser can move within her foe's space and leave the foe's space unhindered and without provoking attacks of opportunity, but if the foe attempts to move to a position where the mouser is no longer in its space, the movement provokes an attack of opportunity from the mouser. 
57:21 <Avatar> You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity.
58:08 <Avatar> I think it only provokes if he uses his movement as a move action rather than a 5-foot step
58:34 <Avatar> the ability basically says he threatens
59:13 <Avatar> I might be wrong but that's how I'm reading it
00:25 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rfjf?Hold-me-closer-Tiny-Mouser
04:47 <Philderbeast> there are abilitys that make 5 foot steps provoke though
05:14 <Avatar> they specify that they do
05:29 <Steven> i so enjoy that movie.
05:39 <Avatar> like in pin down
07:04 <Philderbeast> i would expect table variation on it
07:25 <Philderbeast> but to me it reads like it should provoke
27:39 <Steven> so... now to find something to buy on my kingmaker character
28:00 <Steven> I have 13k.
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29:33 <Steven> so 13k
30:29 <Steven> I have a ring of Sust, headband of cha +2, cloak of resist +2, belt of dex +2, eyes of the owl
30:39 <Steven> and some minor magical items like consumables.
55:35 <Steven> +18 to hit for 3d8+22+1d6 
55:38 <Steven> seems legit.
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