// #d&d — 2014-12-21
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00:08:59 <Mekkis> Windows updates?
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07:28:56 <Avatar> my windows updates don't automatically download
09:19:18 <Brunius> ^
09:24:15 <Mekkis> what can I say, they should?
10:21:47 <Avatar> no I disabled that
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11:06:16 <Mekkis> that's probably not a good thing
11:12:37 <s_gmusic> I set mine to notify me of updates, but not auto-install
11:13:48 <Mekkis> After doing courses on cybersecurity, I've concluded that whatever comes in those updates won't be worse that what comes to you if you don't install them
11:16:05 <s_gmusic> I'm of the opinion that it can't be THAT horrible if it took this long to patch/update it, so it can wait until I'm ready to turn things off to update.
11:18:36 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, perhaps, but keep in mind that when they patch bug #126534, they also release information on how bug #126534 could be used to take control of your computer and steal your banking details
11:19:17 <Mekkis> and you can bet that computer criminals are then using bug #126534 to do just that, hoping to use it on people like you :)
11:46:56 <Whitey> or often the patches are days or weeks behind the zero day
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14:15:50 <Mekkis> Whitey, sure, but the problem isn't the zero-days - the problem is that when the patch comes out, the 'one-days' are released
14:16:28 <Mekkis> aka "Here's how to steal the banking details of people who haven't patched" notes
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16:33:28 <Mekkis> !hp 5d6m3+7d6m2
16:33:29 <diebot> Mekkis, 79
17:05:46 <Mekkis> hey Avatar, Brunius: Mort's agreed to run Heresy III!
17:08:10 <Brunius> which character did I play the first two with?
17:08:22 <Mekkis> Not sure.
17:11:09 <Brunius> Hmmm
17:11:15 <Brunius> Apparently I haven't played parts 1 and 2
17:15:51 <Brunius> I need Echoes of the Everwar parts 2 onward
17:16:26 <Mekkis> You free new year's day?
17:16:44 <Brunius> I think so, unless I'm playing a nWOD one-off
17:16:49 <Brunius> I think that's Jan 2nd though
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17:25:49 <Mort> this is so not user friendly
17:25:59 <Mekkis> true
17:26:05 <Mort> skype anyone?
17:26:21 <Mort> bru around?
17:27:42 <Mort> anyway guys, if one of you provides me with scenario, I can run heresy ofman part 3 on 1st jan 2015 at 7 am on +8 gmt
17:28:06 <Mort> im going to pop, find me back on skyoe if you need
17:28:18 <Mekkis> Brunius, was here less than 12 minutes ago
17:28:29 <Brunius> here i am
17:28:30 <Mekkis> The future will not be user-friendly
17:28:55 <Brunius> I was sure I'd player heresy 1 and 2
17:29:25 <Brunius> oh hang on
17:29:31 <Brunius> I don't think Bairaq is actually level 9
17:29:39 <Brunius> oh it's 5-9
17:29:40 <Brunius> I can read
17:29:42 <Mekkis> he's 10?
17:29:47 <Brunius> 8, I think
17:32:25 <Mekkis> 3.5e question: DMGp208 states that: " Animal Companion: The druid may have a maximum number of animal companions equal to twice her class level, as normal." Where does it state that this is the case 'as normal'?
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17:54:12 <Mekkis> Does any source explain what happens when you fall off the animal companion table?
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18:13:08 <Mekkis> I suppose, the question now is: IN PFS, if you fall off the Animal Companion table, does it make more sense to use Logical Advancement via extrapolation, or would it be better to stick at 20?
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19:33:06 <Steven> mind boggling! a 22k consumable that doesnt bring you back to life.
19:33:07 <Steven> wtf
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20:15:17 <Brunius> Are Duergar natively evil in pathfinder? I seem to remember that they were in 3.5 but I don't recall in PF
20:30:04 <Avatar> Mekkis: no idea what you're asking
20:30:12 <Avatar> what does "falling off the animal companion table" mean
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20:57:44 <Brunius> Avatar: he's implying that the thing he quoted would push him off the end of the table
20:58:00 <Brunius> at level 11, animal companion as level 22
21:02:22 <mib_53rgd0> !vchargen
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21:05:07 <Brunius> !vchargen
21:05:07 <diebot> Brunius, 14(4,1,6,4), 12(3,4,3,5), 10(1,4,2,4), 17(5,2,6,6), 11(1,4,3,4), 10(3,2,5,1)
21:05:46 <mib_szuwgr> !vchargen
21:05:54 <mib_szuwgr> !vchargen
21:05:54 <diebot> mib_szuwgr, 15(5,2,6,4), 13(4,4,4,5), 15(2,4,5,6), 13(4,3,6,2), 8(2,1,5,1), 14(4,4,6,3)
21:06:05 <mib_szuwgr> finnaly
21:26:09 <Mekkis> so... I'm doing something that probably noone else is doing tonight
21:48:07 <Avatar> I'm still not sure what that animal companion rule is about
21:48:16 <Avatar> druids can have more than one animal companion?
21:48:48 <Avatar> Mekkis: you should always follow up a line like that with what you're doing, rather than just waiting for someone to ask you
21:49:35 <Avatar> you create a bit of a simpsons joke moment when you say "I've got something up my sleeve" and then follow up with silence and a knowing look
21:51:07 <Mekkis> avatar: there are ways to have an you effective druid level exceed 20 in PFS.
21:51:37 <Mekkis> when that happens, what are your animal companion's stats?
21:52:58 <Mekkis> oh, I'm photographing Lake George, using my infrared port on my phone to trigger my camera.
21:53:42 <Avatar> and that happens at level 11?
21:54:48 <Mekkis> it can.
21:55:11 <Mekkis> it can definitely happen at level 13.
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21:56:11 <Avatar> you quoted a 3.5 rule?
21:58:18 <Mekkis> I did. the next question was not in the same line.
21:58:47 <Mekkis> I find it useful to lookl at 3.5e when looking at obscure rules - it's mature.
22:02:06 <Avatar> quote the PF rules and then we'll talk
22:28:43 <Avatar> that game mort ran was her first time using roll20
22:28:54 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure she's GM'd before, but what has she been using?
22:29:01 <Brunius> devCA and paint
22:29:09 <Avatar> really?
22:29:19 <Avatar> doing what with paint
22:29:20 <Brunius> She was using paint for chronicle sheets for a while, wasn't she?
22:29:33 <Avatar> I am talking recently
22:29:33 <Brunius> I don't actually know what she's been using for a VTT
22:29:41 <Avatar> I think she has a few stars under her belt now
22:31:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, there ARE no pathfinder rules regarding effective druid levels > 20 with regards to animal companions
22:31:32 <Avatar> I mean quote the PF rules from top to bottom
22:31:39 <Avatar> I didn't even know about this twice your druid level thing
22:31:48 <Avatar> is that a PF rule as well
22:31:59 <Mekkis> As far as I can tell, it was never a 3.5e rule
22:32:10 <Mekkis> it's definitely not a pathfinder rule
22:32:10 <Avatar> then where did you get it from
22:32:17 <Mekkis> the DMG
22:32:23 <Avatar> the 3.5 DMG
22:33:11 <Mekkis> yes, but it says "as normal"
22:33:27 <Mekkis> (which is copied verbatum from the Epic Level Handbook)
22:33:35 <Avatar> what do the rules say in PF about your animal companion and your druid level
22:33:49 <Avatar> because I thought your animal companion had the same druid level
22:35:52 <Mekkis> the table in the Core Rulebook has your animal companion's abilities cross-referenced with your Druid level
22:35:58 <Mekkis> which goes up to 20.
22:36:31 <Mekkis> so the question is: what happens when your effective druid level for determining your animal companion's abilities hits 21.
22:37:01 <Mekkis> There is one part of Pathfinder rules that MIGHT cover it:
22:37:13 <Mekkis> Core rulebook p407
22:37:28 <Mekkis> Class abilities that have a set, increasing rate, such as a
22:37:28 <Mekkis> barbarian’s damage reduction, a f ighter’s bonus feats and
22:37:28 <Mekkis> weapon training, a paladin’s smite evil, or a rogue’s sneak
22:37:28 <Mekkis> attack continue to progress at the appropriate rate.
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