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00:00:14 Brunius ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
00:17:35 <Mekkis> !feat greater disarm
00:17:38 <diebot> Mekkis, GREATER DISARM [Combat]Prereq: Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm, base attack bonus +6, Int 13. You can knock weapons far from an enemy's grasp.
00:17:38 <diebot> Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on checks made to disarm a foe. This bonus stacks with the bonus granted by Improved Disarm. Whenever you successfully disarm an opponent, the weapon lands 15 feet away from its previous wielder, in a random direction.
00:17:39 <diebot> Normal: Disarmed weapons and gear land at the feet of the disarmed creature. Source: Core
00:17:50 <Mekkis> !feat greater steal
00:17:51 <diebot> Mekkis, GREATER STEAL [Combat]Prereq: Int 13, Combat Expertise, Improved Steal, base attack bonus +6. You have a knack for snatching items from your opponents in combat.
00:17:52 <diebot> Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on checks made to steal an item from a foe. This bonus stacks with the bonus granted by Improved Steal. If you successfully steal an item from a foe during combat, it does not notice the theft until after combat is over or if it attempts to use the missing item.
00:17:52 <diebot> Normal: Creatures automatically notice items taken from them through the steal combat maneuver. Source: APG
00:19:26 <Mekkis> !spell ventriloquism
00:19:30 <diebot> Mekkis, VENTRILOQUISM illusion (figment[]) bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, summoner 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Comp: V, F (parchment rolled into cone) Duration: 1 min./level Save: Will disbelief (if interacted with) SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
00:19:30 <diebot> You can make your voice (or any sound that you can normally make vocally) seem to issue from someplace else. You can speak in any language you know. With respect to such voices and sounds, anyone who hears the sound and rolls a successful save recognizes it as illusory (but still hears it).
00:21:27 <Mekkis> !spell hellfire ray
00:21:28 <diebot> Mekkis, HELLFIRE RAY evocation ([evil]) cleric/oracle 6, sorcerer/wizard 6 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Comp: V, S, DF/F (any unholy symbol or heretical tome) Duration: instantaneous Save: no (see text) SR:yesSource: Book of the Dammed V1
00:21:28 <diebot> A blast of hellfire blazes from your hands. You must succeed on a ranged touch attack with the ray to deal damage to the target. The ray deals 1d6 points of damage per caster level (maximum 15d6). Half the damage is fire damage, but the other half results directly from unholy power and is therefore not subject to being reduced by resistance to
00:21:29 <diebot> fire-based attacks. Any creature killed by this spell must make a Will saving throw; failure means the creature's soul is damned to Hell as a burst of brimstone appears around its corpse. A non-evil spellcaster attempting to bring the character back from the dead must make a caster level check (DC equal to 10 plus the slain creature's level) to
00:21:29 <diebot> succeed; failure means the spellcaster cannot try again for 1 day. Evil spellcasters can raise the slain character normally, without a check.
00:28:05 <Avatar> that badly brunius
00:28:19 <Brunius> I think I just started playing a game
00:28:23 <Avatar> ops
00:28:35 <Brunius> alt tabbed back like 10:30 and went "oh, he said...oh he's gone too"
00:28:49 <Avatar> his loss I say
01:21:42 <Mekkis> !hp 5d6m3+7d6m2
01:21:43 <diebot> Mekkis, 79
01:54:00 <Mekkis> hey Avatar, Brunius: Mort's agreed to run Heresy III!
01:56:23 <Brunius> which character did I play the first two with?
01:56:36 <Mekkis> Not sure.
01:59:23 <Brunius> Hmmm
01:59:29 <Brunius> Apparently I haven't played parts 1 and 2
02:04:05 <Brunius> I need Echoes of the Everwar parts 2 onward
02:04:40 <Mekkis> You free new year's day?
02:04:58 <Brunius> I think so, unless I'm playing a nWOD one-off
02:05:02 <Brunius> I think that's Jan 2nd though
02:14:03 <Mort> this is so not user friendly
02:14:13 <Mekkis> true
02:14:18 <Mort> skype anyone?
02:14:35 <Mort> bru around?
02:15:56 <Mort> anyway guys, if one of you provides me with scenario, I can run heresy ofman part 3 on 1st jan 2015 at 7 am on +8 gmt
02:16:20 <Mort> im going to pop, find me back on skyoe if you need
02:16:32 <Mekkis> Brunius, was here less than 12 minutes ago
02:16:43 <Brunius> here i am
02:16:44 <Mekkis> The future will not be user-friendly
02:17:09 <Brunius> I was sure I'd player heresy 1 and 2
02:17:39 <Brunius> oh hang on
02:17:45 <Brunius> I don't think Bairaq is actually level 9
02:17:53 <Brunius> oh it's 5-9
02:17:54 <Brunius> I can read
02:17:56 <Mekkis> he's 10?
02:18:01 <Brunius> 8, I think
02:20:39 <Mekkis> 3.5e question: DMGp208 states that: " Animal Companion: The druid may have a maximum number of animal companions equal to twice her class level, as normal." Where does it state that this is the case 'as normal'?
02:42:26 <Mekkis> Does any source explain what happens when you fall off the animal companion table?
03:01:22 <Mekkis> I suppose, the question now is: IN PFS, if you fall off the Animal Companion table, does it make more sense to use Logical Advancement via extrapolation, or would it be better to stick at 20?
04:21:19 <Steven> mind boggling! a 22k consumable that doesnt bring you back to life.
04:21:20 <Steven> wtf
05:03:31 <Brunius> Are Duergar natively evil in pathfinder? I seem to remember that they were in 3.5 but I don't recall in PF
05:18:18 <Avatar> Mekkis: no idea what you're asking
05:18:26 <Avatar> what does "falling off the animal companion table" mean
05:23:53 <Mekkis> Ask Avatar how he used to rule things :P
05:24:06 <s_gmusic> o shi-
05:24:25 <Mekkis> A dispel check is a caster level check. 1d20+Caster level, the DC is 11+target's CL.
05:24:37 <Mekkis> if you beat it, it works. Otherwise, it doesn't
05:25:21 <s_gmusic> it changes a bit, though, if using Dispel Magic to counterspell, but that's counterspell silliness.
05:26:28 <Mekkis> not really
05:28:32 <Mekkis> Counterspell is a dispel check targetting the spell being cast. If you make it, the spell is countered
05:29:55 <s_gmusic> huh. thought I remembered there being opposed caster level checks.
05:30:15 <Mekkis> might have been that way in 3.5e. Don't recall
05:45:58 <Brunius> Avatar: he's implying that the thing he quoted would push him off the end of the table
05:46:14 <Brunius> at level 11, animal companion as level 22
05:50:36 <mib_53rgd0> !vchargen
05:53:21 <Brunius> !vchargen
05:53:21 <diebot> Brunius, 14(4,1,6,4), 12(3,4,3,5), 10(1,4,2,4), 17(5,2,6,6), 11(1,4,3,4), 10(3,2,5,1)
05:54:00 <mib_szuwgr> !vchargen
05:54:08 <mib_szuwgr> !vchargen
05:54:08 <diebot> mib_szuwgr, 15(5,2,6,4), 13(4,4,4,5), 15(2,4,5,6), 13(4,3,6,2), 8(2,1,5,1), 14(4,4,6,3)
05:54:19 <mib_szuwgr> finnaly
05:58:26 <Avatar> oh right
05:58:36 <Avatar> I need that as a quick reference somewhere
05:58:53 <Mekkis> the "how does dispel magic work" bit?
05:59:08 <Avatar> 1d20+Caster level, the DC is 11+target's CL.
05:59:24 <Avatar> that's a targeted dispel isn't it
05:59:29 <Avatar> does an area effect dispel work the same way
05:59:34 <Mekkis> Any type of dispel is like that
05:59:53 <Avatar> it is one caster level check for each dispel in the area of effect
06:00:47 <Mekkis> Dispel magic can't do Area of effect
06:02:02 <Mekkis> Greater Dispel magic can
06:02:37 <Mekkis> But in any use of dispel magic, it's always a dispel check. A single dispel check
06:11:12 <Avatar> !spell dispel magic
06:11:16 <diebot> Avatar, DISPEL MAGIC abjuration ([]) bard 3, cleric/oracle 3, druid 4, paladin 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, summoner 3, witch 3, inquisitor 3, antipaladin 3, magus 3, shaman 3 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) one spellcaster, creature, or object Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
06:11:16 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/dispel_magic.html
06:11:42 <Avatar> did it used to be able to?
06:12:44 <Avatar> I don't remember it being called area dispel either
06:14:23 <Mekkis> so... I'm doing something that probably noone else is doing tonight
06:14:29 <Mekkis> yes
06:14:34 <Mekkis> in 3.5 you could
06:15:32 <Mekkis> but in 3.5e, the dispel check was 1d20+cl, maximum +10.
06:15:45 <Mekkis> They removed the 'maximum +10' bit in pathfinder
06:29:26 <Mekkis> Avatar, you voting?
06:36:21 <Avatar> I'm still not sure what that animal companion rule is about
06:36:30 <Avatar> druids can have more than one animal companion?
06:37:02 <Avatar> Mekkis: you should always follow up a line like that with what you're doing, rather than just waiting for someone to ask you
06:37:23 <Avatar> voting for what
06:37:27 <Avatar> RPG superstar?
06:37:45 <Mekkis> yeeah
06:37:49 <Avatar> you create a bit of a simpsons joke moment when you say "I've got something up my sleeve" and then follow up with silence and a knowing look
06:37:54 <Avatar> only at work
06:38:00 <Avatar> you really have no idea how boring my work can be
06:38:45 <Avatar> a lot of things are blocked, including games sites
06:38:52 <Avatar> so I have no idea how paizo.com is still open
06:39:03 <Avatar> especially since I go there everyday and reload pages often
06:39:21 <Mekkis> should come and work here :S
06:39:21 <Mekkis> avatar: there are ways to have an you effective druid level exceed 20 in PFS.
06:39:35 <Avatar> even more is blocked I imagine
06:39:51 <Mekkis> when that happens, what are your animal companion's stats?
06:40:02 <Mekkis> nope. I have unfiltered net access.
06:40:10 <Avatar> oh nice
06:40:13 <Avatar> nobody cares what you look at?
06:40:42 <Mekkis> oh, they care. They just don't block it
06:40:56 <Avatar> what do they do instead
06:41:12 <Mekkis> oh, I'm photographing Lake George, using my infrared port on my phone to trigger my camera.
06:41:53 <Mekkis> depends on what you look at
06:41:56 <Avatar> and that happens at level 11?
06:43:02 <Mekkis> it can.
06:43:25 <Mekkis> it can definitely happen at level 13.
06:43:56 <Avatar> paizo.com ?
06:44:19 <Avatar> there are some really terrible entries this year
06:44:25 <Avatar> you quoted a 3.5 rule?
06:44:34 <Avatar> my first two options were 2 wondrous items
06:44:34 <Mekkis> not sure
06:44:54 <Avatar> I think my second two options were a wondrous item and something legit
06:45:00 <Avatar> it made me wish I submitted something
06:45:00 <Mekkis> I like this breastplate
06:45:16 <Mekkis> opens a dimensional door mere millimeters from its bearer to the designated surface within 400 ft.
06:45:28 <Mekkis> Yay, mixing unit systems!
06:45:36 <Avatar> haha
06:45:57 <Avatar> what's less than an inch
06:46:09 <Mekkis> I wish there was a more clear 'both are shit' button
06:46:15 <Avatar> haha yeah
06:46:21 <Mekkis> a 'mil' is 1/1000th of an inch
06:46:32 <Mekkis> I did. the next question was not in the same line.
06:46:37 <Avatar> I think the PR is a little too "let's be positive!" on every single occasion
06:46:52 <Avatar> I guess they don't want potential superstars feeling bad
06:47:01 <Mekkis> I find it useful to lookl at 3.5e when looking at obscure rules - it's mature.
06:49:40 <Mekkis> have you played warframe, Avatar ?
06:50:20 <Avatar> quote the PF rules and then we'll talk
06:51:17 <Avatar> neg
06:52:12 <Avatar> free to play
06:52:13 <Avatar> is it good?
06:53:32 <Mekkis> yeah, pretty good
06:54:52 <Avatar> bit of a disaster updater
06:55:21 <Mekkis> hn
06:55:25 <Avatar> I bought MS flight simulator today and then found out it's 16GB to download
06:55:53 <Avatar> my PC has been downloading ridiculous amounts of data and I don't know where it's coming from
06:56:11 <Avatar> I thought it must be steam updates but that doesn't add up
06:56:33 <Avatar> it's not torrents either, some days I'll download a 350 meg show but my daily amount says 5GB
06:56:42 <Avatar> not including uploads
07:05:49 <Mekkis> weird
07:16:57 <Avatar> that game mort ran was her first time using roll20
07:17:08 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure she's GM'd before, but what has she been using?
07:17:15 <Brunius> devCA and paint
07:17:23 <Avatar> really?
07:17:33 <Avatar> doing what with paint
07:17:34 <Brunius> She was using paint for chronicle sheets for a while, wasn't she?
07:17:47 <Avatar> I am talking recently
07:17:47 <Brunius> I don't actually know what she's been using for a VTT
07:17:55 <Avatar> I think she has a few stars under her belt now
07:19:14 <Mekkis> Avatar, there ARE no pathfinder rules regarding effective druid levels > 20 with regards to animal companions
07:19:46 <Avatar> I mean quote the PF rules from top to bottom
07:19:54 <Avatar> I didn't even know about this twice your druid level thing
07:20:02 <Avatar> is that a PF rule as well
07:20:14 <Mekkis> As far as I can tell, it was never a 3.5e rule
07:20:24 <Avatar> then where did you get it from
07:20:24 <Mekkis> it's definitely not a pathfinder rule
07:20:31 <Mekkis> the DMG
07:20:37 <Avatar> the 3.5 DMG
07:21:25 <Mekkis> yes, but it says "as normal"
07:21:41 <Mekkis> (which is copied verbatum from the Epic Level Handbook)
07:21:49 <Avatar> what do the rules say in PF about your animal companion and your druid level
07:22:03 <Avatar> because I thought your animal companion had the same druid level
07:24:06 <Mekkis> the table in the Core Rulebook has your animal companion's abilities cross-referenced with your Druid level
07:24:12 <Mekkis> which goes up to 20.
07:24:46 <Mekkis> so the question is: what happens when your effective druid level for determining your animal companion's abilities hits 21.
07:25:15 <Mekkis> There is one part of Pathfinder rules that MIGHT cover it:
07:25:28 <Mekkis> Core rulebook p407
07:25:42 <Mekkis> Class abilities that have a set, increasing rate, such as a
07:25:43 <Mekkis> barbarian’s damage reduction, a f ighter’s bonus feats and
07:25:43 <Mekkis> weapon training, a paladin’s smite evil, or a rogue’s sneak
07:25:43 <Mekkis> attack continue to progress at the appropriate rate.
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08:17:52 <Brunius> Avatar, my free hard drive space has been jumping between 120gb and 60gb, and I can't figure out why
08:17:56 <Brunius> potentially related?
08:19:57 <Brunius> although looking at my monitoring application it says i've downloaded 5.26GB today
08:20:05 <Brunius> and I'm sure I haven't grabbed anything big
08:57:11 <Mekkis> Windows updates?
09:05:49 <Mekkis> !feat greater disarm
09:05:52 <diebot> Mekkis, GREATER DISARM [Combat]Prereq: Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm, base attack bonus +6, Int 13. You can knock weapons far from an enemy's grasp.
09:05:53 <diebot> Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on checks made to disarm a foe. This bonus stacks with the bonus granted by Improved Disarm. Whenever you successfully disarm an opponent, the weapon lands 15 feet away from its previous wielder, in a random direction.
09:05:53 <diebot> Normal: Disarmed weapons and gear land at the feet of the disarmed creature. Source: Core
09:06:04 <Mekkis> !feat greater steal
09:06:06 <diebot> Mekkis, GREATER STEAL [Combat]Prereq: Int 13, Combat Expertise, Improved Steal, base attack bonus +6. You have a knack for snatching items from your opponents in combat.
09:06:06 <diebot> Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on checks made to steal an item from a foe. This bonus stacks with the bonus granted by Improved Steal. If you successfully steal an item from a foe during combat, it does not notice the theft until after combat is over or if it attempts to use the missing item.
09:06:06 <diebot> Normal: Creatures automatically notice items taken from them through the steal combat maneuver. Source: APG
09:07:40 <Mekkis> !spell ventriloquism
09:07:44 <diebot> Mekkis, VENTRILOQUISM illusion (figment[]) bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, summoner 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Comp: V, F (parchment rolled into cone) Duration: 1 min./level Save: Will disbelief (if interacted with) SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
09:07:45 <diebot> You can make your voice (or any sound that you can normally make vocally) seem to issue from someplace else. You can speak in any language you know. With respect to such voices and sounds, anyone who hears the sound and rolls a successful save recognizes it as illusory (but still hears it).
09:09:42 <Mekkis> !spell hellfire ray
09:09:42 <diebot> Mekkis, HELLFIRE RAY evocation ([evil]) cleric/oracle 6, sorcerer/wizard 6 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Comp: V, S, DF/F (any unholy symbol or heretical tome) Duration: instantaneous Save: no (see text) SR:yesSource: Book of the Dammed V1
09:09:43 <diebot> A blast of hellfire blazes from your hands. You must succeed on a ranged touch attack with the ray to deal damage to the target. The ray deals 1d6 points of damage per caster level (maximum 15d6). Half the damage is fire damage, but the other half results directly from unholy power and is therefore not subject to being reduced by resistance to
09:09:43 <diebot> fire-based attacks. Any creature killed by this spell must make a Will saving throw; failure means the creature's soul is damned to Hell as a burst of brimstone appears around its corpse. A non-evil spellcaster attempting to bring the character back from the dead must make a caster level check (DC equal to 10 plus the slain creature's level) to
09:09:43 <diebot> succeed; failure means the spellcaster cannot try again for 1 day. Evil spellcasters can raise the slain character normally, without a check.
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09:43:16 <Philderbeast> o/
09:43:41 <Brunius> o/
09:43:55 <Philderbeast> hows things going
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15:39:50 <Avatar> that badly brunius
15:40:03 <Brunius> I think I just started playing a game
15:40:08 <Avatar> ops
15:40:19 <Brunius> alt tabbed back like 10:30 and went "oh, he said...oh he's gone too"
15:40:33 <Avatar> his loss I say
16:17:09 <Avatar> my windows updates don't automatically download
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18:07:31 <Brunius> ^
18:12:28 <Mekkis> what can I say, they should?
18:31:31 <Philderbeast> o/
18:31:55 <Brunius> o/
18:32:10 <Philderbeast> hows things going
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19:10:00 <Avatar> no I disabled that
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19:54:29 <Mekkis> that's probably not a good thing
20:00:50 <s_gmusic> I set mine to notify me of updates, but not auto-install
20:02:01 <Mekkis> After doing courses on cybersecurity, I've concluded that whatever comes in those updates won't be worse that what comes to you if you don't install them
20:04:18 <s_gmusic> I'm of the opinion that it can't be THAT horrible if it took this long to patch/update it, so it can wait until I'm ready to turn things off to update.
20:06:50 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, perhaps, but keep in mind that when they patch bug #126534, they also release information on how bug #126534 could be used to take control of your computer and steal your banking details
20:07:31 <Mekkis> and you can bet that computer criminals are then using bug #126534 to do just that, hoping to use it on people like you :)
20:21:27 <Mekkis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOKqzJJvEOw
20:21:34 <diebot> Mekkis, Millicent Martin - the Mississippi number from the Last TW3 - '63 - live
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20:35:09 <Whitey> or often the patches are days or weeks behind the zero day
23:04:04 <Mekkis> Whitey, sure, but the problem isn't the zero-days - the problem is that when the patch comes out, the 'one-days' are released
23:04:42 <Mekkis> aka "Here's how to steal the banking details of people who haven't patched" notes
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