// #d&d — 2014-06-26
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00:12:02 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: Sat 5th 10am || SS: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
00:12:02 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Jun 22 15:45:35 2014
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00:59:23 <Rumor> Anyone there? Am I an internet echo? Cue existential crisis...
01:16:13 <andrey> should we tell him?
01:19:26 <Rumor> Is this where I get diagnosed with something?
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03:43:27 <sunnfire> Hello
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04:49:12 <Steven> frankly man, just pick a spell that sounds cool, if you dont like it after using it then dont prep it again.
04:49:38 <Steven> i mean you can always add spells to your familiar.
04:49:57 <Spaceshot> what? I'm trying to find a good touch spell to throw through my cards
04:50:21 <Steven> chill touch
04:50:26 <Spaceshot> yea there is that
04:50:32 <Spaceshot> just seeing if there is any good level 2 spell to use
04:51:11 <Spaceshot> because I don't get the ability to use touch spells as ranged touch until level 3
04:51:19 <Spaceshot> so I'll have level 2 spells
04:55:02 <Steven> chill touch is decent
04:56:46 <Spaceshot> it is, but is it worth metamagicing?
05:05:27 <Steven> meh prolly not
05:05:37 <Steven> but your main offensive actions should be hexing
05:08:40 <Spaceshot> what? no my main offensive actions will be throwing cards, either to make ranged touch spells
05:08:44 <Spaceshot> or to just throw cards
05:08:56 <Spaceshot> basically, I'm making an arcane archer that has a worse bab with cards
05:09:00 <Spaceshot> going into harrower
05:12:25 <Steven> if you're a witch your spell list is lackluster when compared to a wizard because you have the offensive actions of Hexs
05:13:55 <Spaceshot> yes, but I'm all about the harrow
05:14:05 <Spaceshot> and the ability to utilise my harrow deck
05:14:05 <Steven> then you shouldnt base it off of a witch.
05:14:12 <Spaceshot> we
05:14:22 <Spaceshot> we've been into this before, not everyone wishes to optimise to the max
05:14:25 <Spaceshot> and wish to play their own way
05:16:04 <Steven> thats fine, but you can either have good spells to throw with your cards
05:16:22 <Spaceshot> also not sure if I should go magical lineage and work with metamagic spells or work more with card throwing, spells or not
05:16:29 <Steven> or you can go witch and use hexs
05:16:39 <Spaceshot> you do realise only witch can do that right?
05:16:46 <Spaceshot> it's a witch archetype
05:17:56 <Steven> oh that thing... oh man you're going to be really unimpressed.
05:18:01 <Spaceshot> and I'm not asking for witch advice, just specific advice
05:18:16 <Spaceshot> I don't expect to be summoner level of awesome
05:24:05 <Steven> back
05:24:14 <Spaceshot> didn't realise you left
05:24:27 <Spaceshot> there is chill touch, and frostbite
05:24:38 <Spaceshot> but I can't see any effective level 2 touch spells
05:25:02 <Steven> there isnt much.
05:25:13 <Spaceshot> even with the patrons?
05:25:19 <Spaceshot> isn't silence a touch spell?
05:25:48 <Spaceshot> but I can use it positively as well, as a replacement for reach rod for healing spells
05:28:36 <Steven> spectral hand does the same thing.
05:29:10 <Mekkis> Die, bot
05:29:19 <Spaceshot> sure, but that costs a spell
05:29:42 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:29:43 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis. The Waxworks (Con,CE), The Winged Serpent (Int,LG)
05:29:43 <Steven> 2nd level spells are pretty mehtastic
05:29:49 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:29:50 <diebot> Mekkis, The Vision (Int,CN), The Wanderer (Int,NG)
05:29:54 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:29:55 <diebot> Mekkis, The Unicorn (Cha,CG), The Uprising (Str,CN)
05:30:14 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: I'm not sure if that is considered legal yet or not
05:30:23 <Spaceshot> depends what he online commity has said about it
05:30:24 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I personally don't care
05:30:31 <Spaceshot> oh I doubt you do, but just saying
05:30:36 <Spaceshot> though it's a nice addition
05:30:44 <Mekkis> !shuffle
05:30:45 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
05:30:49 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:30:50 <diebot> Mekkis, The Twin (Cha,N), The Tyrant (Cha,LE)
05:30:53 <Spaceshot> is there a cut mechanic?
05:30:56 <Spaceshot> !cut 12
05:31:09 <Mekkis> no. Looking at making a peek mechanic.
05:31:28 <Spaceshot> mmk
05:31:41 <Mekkis> given that that is required for it to satisfy the thingies.
05:32:02 <Spaceshot> thingies?
05:32:09 <Mekkis> "rules"
05:32:14 <Spaceshot> haha
05:34:43 <Spaceshot> I know people aren't that fond of summoning, but I'm tempted to get harrowed summoning
05:34:49 <Spaceshot> just to add more of the "harrow" feel
05:36:48 <Steven> well so long as you dont 'add' 17 creatures to a fight
05:37:08 <Steven> i mean really, i've had it both ways.
05:38:02 <Spaceshot> haha
05:38:13 <Steven> ive had people who know what they are going to summon and have stat blocks at the ready
05:38:25 <Spaceshot> yea I'd have it ready
05:38:34 <Steven> already had the dice ready to roll and everything
05:38:43 <Spaceshot> nice
05:38:48 <Steven> and then i've had people who drag their feet with the whole process
05:39:03 <Spaceshot> it's even worse when you have someone who doesn't have the book/pdf with them
05:39:06 <Spaceshot> and ask to use the GMs
05:39:12 <Steven> exactly.
05:39:17 <Spaceshot> without even knowing what monster they want to summon
05:39:28 <Steven> so if you gonna do the summoning thing, just have a list of your most common summons.
05:39:39 <Spaceshot> yea I'll probably try and get them printed out
05:39:53 <Spaceshot> in a nice statblock environment, there are probably many made online already for just that
05:40:39 <Spaceshot> also helps to have that situation because michelle (gf) is a conjurer
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05:45:10 <Spaceshot> also, I believe I know the answer, but just checking. you don't gain patron spells from the witch if you go into a prestige class right?
05:45:20 <Spaceshot> as in you don't gain any additional prestige spells
05:47:32 <Steven> my list is 1st Eagle, 2nd Small elementals, 3rd Lantern Archons, 4th Hound Archons, 5th Ankylosaurus, 6th lots of ankylosaurus.
05:47:51 <Spaceshot> haha
05:47:53 <Steven> nope, no more patron spells.
05:49:07 <Steven> no more spells learned by level either.
05:54:10 <Spaceshot> yea I know the no more spells via levels thing
05:54:32 <Spaceshot> and I thought the no more patron part, but just had to double check
05:57:24 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:16:01 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:16:52 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:17:01 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:17:29 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:17:32 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:18:20 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:18:33 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:18:43 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:18:54 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:19:03 <Mekkis> !shuffle
06:19:03 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
06:19:06 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:26:47 <Spaceshot> do non-ray ranged touch attacks count as weapon/ranged weapon attacks?
06:28:20 <Spaceshot> by this I mean spell based ones
06:29:40 <Mekkis> sort of
06:29:48 <Mekkis> Not for Weapon Focus (Ray)
06:30:00 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:30:04 <Spaceshot> of course, and I doubt they can gain "weapon focus (Ranged touch attack)" right?
06:30:22 <Mekkis> RAW, no. In my campaign, sure.
06:30:35 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:30:36 <Spaceshot> oh definitely, most GMs in home games would
06:30:41 <Spaceshot> PFS however, is a bit more iffy
06:31:24 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:31:39 <Spaceshot> I know they can benefit from the plethora of ranged based feats (point blank, precise shot, so on)
06:32:33 <Spaceshot> but do things that state "weapon" work with ranged and non-ranged touch attacks generated from spells?
06:32:35 <Spaceshot> such as
06:32:39 <Spaceshot> !feat enforcer
06:32:41 <diebot> Spaceshot, ENFORCER [Combat]Prereq: Intimidate 1 rank. You are skilled at causing fear in those you brutalize.
06:32:41 <diebot> Benefit: Whenever you deal nonlethal damage with a melee weapon, you can make an Intimidate check to demoralize your target as a free action. If you are successful, the target is shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. If your attack was a critical hit, your target is frightened for 1 round with a successful Intimidate check, as
06:32:41 <diebot> well as being shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. Source: APG
06:32:44 <Mekkis> no.
06:32:54 <Spaceshot> so enforcer doesn't work with frostbite?
06:33:09 <Mekkis> no
06:33:13 <Spaceshot> balls
06:33:24 <Spaceshot> and I don't think I can get frigid touch as a witch
06:34:45 <Spaceshot> but a ray that deals non-lethal damage would count for enforcer, correct?
06:36:44 <Mekkis> no
06:36:48 <Mekkis> it's not a weapon
06:37:00 <Mekkis> it's also not a melee weapon.
06:37:15 <Spaceshot> touche
06:37:19 <Spaceshot> but a ray is a weapon
06:37:24 <Spaceshot> or considered a weapon
06:37:31 <Mekkis> [citation needed]
06:38:22 <Spaceshot> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9oag
06:38:46 <Spaceshot> I'm surprised you didn't know mekkis
06:39:32 <Mekkis> Sure, but it's not a melee weapon.
06:40:19 <Spaceshot> yea I forgot about the melee only requirement for enforcer
06:40:22 <Spaceshot> screw that in total then
06:40:34 <Spaceshot> since I'll be going ranged touch attacks all the way
06:42:28 <Spaceshot> well so far I've found good level 1 and good level 3 touch spells
06:42:33 <Spaceshot> but no good level 2 touch spell
06:42:36 <Spaceshot> at least offensive ones
06:42:38 <Spaceshot> for witch
06:42:39 <Steven> yup
06:42:49 <Spaceshot> since 3 has vampiric touch
06:42:57 <Spaceshot> and 1 has chill touch
06:45:45 <Spaceshot> though I could get invisibility through patron to throw cards at party members to invis them
06:45:48 <Spaceshot> would be lols
06:49:44 <Spaceshot> touch of idiocy will be nice against casters
06:50:17 <Steven> You'd probably be a lot happier if you went with a wizard base.
06:51:20 <Spaceshot> again, you aren't getting it
06:51:33 <Steven> no i get your point of view
06:51:47 <Spaceshot> do you?
06:53:35 <Steven> yup.
06:53:57 <Spaceshot> I'm just trying to see if it's worth utilising an ability I am given
06:54:08 <Mekkis> !shuffle
06:54:08 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
06:54:16 <Mekkis> !deal 5
06:54:17 <diebot> Mekkis, The Fiend (Str,LE), The Liar (Cha,CE), The Tyrant (Cha,LE), The Dance (Dex,LG), The Uprising (Str,CN)
06:54:24 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:56:46 <Steven> im looking for spells that are touch that combo well with the gambit thing you're doing
06:57:08 <Steven> but the witch list just lacks a lot of umph when it comes to that.
06:57:44 <Spaceshot> it is a bit lack luster
06:57:46 <Spaceshot> at least a level 2
06:57:53 <Steven> i mean you trade your swift and standard action to do it.
06:57:58 <Spaceshot> level 1 and level 3 on wards is good
06:58:02 <Spaceshot> swift?
06:58:10 <Spaceshot> how am I trading my swift?
06:58:25 <Steven> to throw the card you have to use arcane strike
06:58:51 <Spaceshot> not with deliver touch though
06:59:31 <Spaceshot> well it does use arcane strike
07:02:48 <Mekkis> Die, bot
07:02:58 <Spaceshot> most casters don't really care about their swift action anyway
07:03:20 <Steven> until they get high enough level to have quicken
07:03:23 <Steven> metamagic
07:03:27 <Steven> or a rod of quicken
07:03:28 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
07:04:21 <Steven> a ray/waves of exhaustion and a quickened black tenticles is a pretty fun thing to hit people with.
07:08:49 <Spaceshot> so I'd have to use a swift action every round I want to throw my cards?
07:16:40 <Spaceshot> do you think there is a point in getting basically augmented summoning (a harrow version of it) for only level 1 summons?
07:16:44 <Spaceshot> or get it later
07:30:00 <Steven> i think the first level summons are horrible.
07:31:15 <Spaceshot> so I guess that's a no
07:31:22 <Spaceshot> till at least 3rd level, possibly even 5th
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07:48:44 <Steven> i'd only take it at first if i was going for a feat chain.
07:50:13 <Spaceshot> yea, it'd probably be better if I get point blank and then precise shot at level 3
08:27:42 <a8wj3> What do you guys think about this:
08:27:54 <a8wj3> real life is stranger than fiction.
08:30:19 <a8wj3> I suppose one answer would be that fiction mirrors life, perhaps through a filter. Like a better version of Instragram/Photoshop.
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08:41:32 <Spaceshot> anywho, should I bother with strength using deadly dealer as a witch?
08:46:02 * Steven shrugs
08:46:44 <Steven> str will add to your base damage
08:46:48 <Steven> but wont help your to hit.
08:46:50 <Mekkis> !spell delay disease
08:46:58 <diebot> Mekkis, DELAY DISEASE conjuration (healing[]) alchemist 2, cleric 2, druid 2, inquisitor 2, paladin 2, ranger 2, witch 1 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 day Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: Advanced Race Guide
08:46:59 <diebot> The target becomes temporarily immune to disease. Any disease to which it is exposed during the spell's duration does not affect the target until the spell's duration has expired. If the target is currently infected with a disease, you must make a caster level check against the disease's DC to suspend it for the duration of the spell; otherwise,
08:46:59 <diebot> that disease affects the target normally. Delay disease does not cure any damage a disease may have already done.
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16:36:50 <Brunius> hey sunnfire
17:07:25 <Mekkis> hey Brunius
17:15:37 <Avatar> hey Mekkis
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21:02:21 <Mekkis> I might email Brock again
21:02:40 <Brunius> that can't end well
21:03:02 <Mekkis> subject: PFS in Canberra is going down the shitter.
21:03:24 <Brunius> "We trust our regional representatives to arbitrate their areas fairly"
21:05:43 <Mekkis> "That's nice, but with quite a few Canberra players actively avoiding said representatives, and more of them simply not showing up at all, perhaps you should review this trust"
22:11:16 <Avatar> you won't email brock
22:24:01 <sunnfire> hello
22:25:17 <Mekkis> oh yeah?
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