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17:41:51 <Steven> yo
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17:57:55 <Spaceshot> Steven, did you end up doing any research on the topic?
17:59:41 <Steven> what topic?
18:07:01 <Spaceshot> hedge witch
18:07:12 <Spaceshot> and if it's at first level or the replaced hex level
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18:39:21 <Avatar> it's not his job to research your rules questions for you man
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18:43:30 <Spaceshot> nah it was more a curiosity if he knew about the issue
18:43:47 <Spaceshot> I've done my reasearch, both google and paizo forums give no finite answer
18:44:39 <Avatar> what are you after
18:44:47 <Avatar> I've looked at hedge witch before when looking into my witch
18:45:00 <Spaceshot> if a witch archetype gives an ability that replaces a hex at a certain level (as in your 4th level hex) but it doesn't state anywhere in the ability when you get the ability
18:45:05 <Spaceshot> do you get it at 1 or the replaced level?
18:45:19 <Spaceshot> basically, when do you get the spontaneous healing?
18:45:33 <Avatar> what book is it in
18:45:36 <Spaceshot> UM
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18:46:32 <Avatar> you get it when you would normally get the other ability
18:46:35 <Avatar> ie. 4th level
18:46:53 <Spaceshot> I'm just trying to find a finite answer though
18:46:56 <Spaceshot> that's the problem
18:46:59 <Avatar> it's RAW
18:47:03 <Spaceshot> no
18:47:04 <Spaceshot> it's not
18:47:11 <Spaceshot> that's the issue
18:47:12 <Avatar> This replaces the witch’s hex gained at
18:47:12 <Avatar> 4th level
18:47:38 <Avatar> if you look at the witch table, you *replace* "spontaneous healing" into the spot that has "hex" at 4th level
18:47:51 <Avatar> they can't get more specific than that
18:48:01 <Spaceshot> in that theory, a stonelord (dwarf paladin archetype in ARG) has spellcasting as normal till level 4
18:48:03 <Spaceshot> when they lose it
18:48:14 <Spaceshot> because it "replaces" spellcasting
18:49:04 <Avatar> A stonelord does not gain
18:49:04 <Avatar> any spells or spellcasting abilities, does not have a caster
18:49:04 <Avatar> level, and cannot use spell trigger or spell completion
18:49:04 <Avatar> magic items
18:49:10 <Avatar> that doesn't say it replaces
18:49:15 <Spaceshot> yes it does
18:49:16 <Spaceshot> gimme a sec
18:49:26 <Avatar> defensive stance?
18:49:39 <Spaceshot> yea
18:50:18 <Avatar> that's the text
18:50:55 <Spaceshot> it starts with "at 4th level" though
18:51:22 <Spaceshot> the thing is, every other archetype, including other witch ones
18:51:26 <Avatar> at 4th level you gain blah blah blah
18:51:29 <Spaceshot> state at nth level you gain blah blah
18:51:36 <Spaceshot> this replaces X ability at nth level
18:51:49 <Avatar> yeah but with defensive stance, you just never get spellcasting
18:52:01 <Spaceshot> I'm saying in general
18:52:31 <Avatar> that is in general
18:52:44 <Spaceshot> look at beastbonded
18:52:44 <Avatar> if it says "replaces" it replaces it in the table when you would normally get it
18:52:45 <Spaceshot> in UM
18:52:55 <Spaceshot> witch archetype
18:53:00 <Spaceshot> it also replaces it's 4th level hex
18:53:06 <Spaceshot> but it states "at 4th level"
18:53:40 <Avatar> at 4th level you gain blah blah, this replaces the witch's 4th level hex
18:53:53 <Spaceshot> wow... the archetype writers are bad
18:53:58 <Spaceshot> I just looked at gravewalker too
18:54:26 <Spaceshot> yea I see now, it's just stupidity/missed shit
18:54:34 <Spaceshot> you don't want people magic jaring at level 1
18:55:39 <Spaceshot> eh, only 2 levels away to spontaneous heal
18:55:54 <Avatar> always better to read the rules as intended rather than written
18:56:02 <Avatar> that'll get you around table variance as well
18:56:20 <Spaceshot> I will, except for my gross and controversal alchemist
18:56:20 <Avatar> if it sounds reasonable, any reasonable GM will allow it
18:56:35 <Avatar> if you try and push RAW, most GMs won't
18:57:05 <Avatar> and worse, you create arguments in what should be a fun game
18:57:11 <Spaceshot> heh true
18:57:20 <Spaceshot> I bought a deluxe harrow deck just for the lols
18:57:35 <Spaceshot> and no, not going gambit, or any other iconic card thrower XD
18:58:38 <Avatar> throwing charged cards would be bad ass
18:58:51 <Spaceshot> I am going to be throwing charged cards
18:59:05 <Spaceshot> even tempted to take magical lineage scorching ray
18:59:09 <Spaceshot> maybe even wayang
18:59:33 <Avatar> I managed to trade both my ifrit and undine away from extra traits
18:59:39 <Spaceshot> balls
18:59:43 <Spaceshot> I want any boon
19:00:14 <Avatar> were you at conquest
19:00:39 <Spaceshot> the one on easter weekend?
19:00:41 <Avatar> yeah
19:00:44 <Spaceshot> nope
19:00:49 <Spaceshot> was back in adelaide
19:00:56 <Spaceshot> mother was in hospital, coincidentally
19:01:00 <Avatar> online cons are pretty amazing, they just feel like regular games, plus you get boons
19:01:11 <s_gmusic> I was originally against trading my boons away knowing that I would have to mail them to the person. Last week, though, I read a post saying that scanning and printing traded boons was permitted with only a couple exceptions. This has me thinking of what to trade for.
19:01:18 <Avatar> I'm not sure but it actually feels like you're more likely to get them
19:01:28 <Avatar> you don't have to mail them
19:02:04 <Spaceshot> I did message stephen about GMing unicon and sheepcon
19:02:08 <Avatar> that would be terribly shit if you had to mail them
19:02:12 <Spaceshot> though I don't think he got it/read it/cared XD
19:02:25 <Avatar> did you guys hear about the FREE FACTION CHANGE coming up
19:02:31 <s_gmusic> What.
19:02:36 <s_gmusic> o shi-
19:02:38 <Spaceshot> because the whole factions doing weird shit thing?
19:02:39 <s_gmusic> what's going on?
19:02:43 <Avatar> cheliax and andoran are changing names
19:02:48 <s_gmusic> o-o
19:02:50 <Avatar> to dark archive and liberty something
19:03:01 <Avatar> and everyone is going to be able to change factions for free for a limited period
19:03:20 <Avatar> the goals of those two factions are changing as well
19:03:26 <Spaceshot> yea, basically the cheliax and andoran are branching away from their locations
19:03:27 <Avatar> similar themes I think
19:03:44 <Avatar> but holy sweet jesus have I been itching to change my character's factions
19:04:01 <Spaceshot> btw, did snickers rez?
19:04:07 <Avatar> I still haven't counted it
19:04:11 <Spaceshot> hahaha wow
19:04:14 <Avatar> been too focused on my other characters
19:04:22 <Avatar> I have 4 or 5 characters in tier 7-11
19:04:24 <Spaceshot> buck or someone else?
19:04:27 <Spaceshot> wow grats
19:04:30 <Avatar> buck is level 12
19:04:33 <Spaceshot> nice
19:04:39 <Spaceshot> wait, does that include your shitty cleric?
19:04:49 <Avatar> yeah he's level 9 I think
19:04:57 <Avatar> he's not really shitty anymore now that he has some levels
19:04:58 <Spaceshot> heh
19:05:04 <Spaceshot> and your retraining
19:05:08 <Avatar> 5th level spellcasting is nothing to sneeze at
19:05:24 <Spaceshot> you need to get a reach rod
19:05:29 <Avatar> he has one
19:05:38 <Spaceshot> 1-6 spell level one?
19:05:41 <Avatar> I just don't know the cleric spell list that well
19:05:46 <Avatar> just a 1-3
19:05:51 <Spaceshot> nah, you need 1-6
19:05:55 <Spaceshot> and always prep breath
19:06:01 <Avatar> he's not an oracle of life
19:06:02 <Spaceshot> and then you'll always be useful
19:06:09 <Spaceshot> isn't breath level 5?
19:06:17 <Avatar> yeah
19:06:21 <Avatar> I have to move him away from the healer build
19:06:26 <Spaceshot> sure
19:06:28 <Avatar> that gets him into more trouble more often than not
19:06:34 <Spaceshot> but if someone dies, and you could have rezed them
19:06:41 <Spaceshot> they will bitch
19:07:01 <Avatar> they don't get to bitch unless they buy their own reach rod and give it to me
19:07:16 <Spaceshot> reach rod isn't that expensive
19:07:35 <Avatar> it's not off the table I guess
19:07:43 <Avatar> it's not exactly a character I focus on
19:07:50 <Spaceshot> I still have to level Ava
19:07:56 <Spaceshot> she hit level 5 from a module
19:08:06 <Avatar> my druid is waiting for a ruling on shaman retraining and my archaeologist is my focus really
19:08:13 <s_gmusic> found it: http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lg87?Faction-Evolution-Part-II-Secrets-and-Liberty
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19:08:23 <Spaceshot> what do you mean ruling on retraining?
19:08:35 <Spaceshot> archaeologist is just cheesy
19:08:41 <Avatar> the ACG classes don't have any rules on what classes they allow retraining synergies on
19:08:49 <Spaceshot> ahh
19:09:00 <Spaceshot> why do you need synergies again?
19:09:11 <Avatar> 5 prestige per level retrained instead of 7
19:09:15 <Spaceshot> ah
19:09:32 <Spaceshot> also you read what's happening to the shaman in the release right?
19:09:41 <Avatar> mixed spell list
19:09:51 <Spaceshot> and universal hex list
19:10:03 <Avatar> I didn't read into that much becaues I didn't know much about the original plan
19:10:24 <Spaceshot> the original plan was bad
19:10:24 <Avatar> oh, does that mean he doesn't have to pick a bloody oracle mystery
19:10:26 <Spaceshot> very bad
19:10:31 <Avatar> that was shit
19:10:35 <Spaceshot> no, still have to pick a mystery
19:10:38 <Avatar> ug
19:10:42 <Spaceshot> that
19:10:46 <Avatar> I hate oracles :P
19:10:46 <Spaceshot> that's the oracle part
19:10:51 <Spaceshot> oracles are awesome
19:10:54 <Spaceshot> you just need to play one
19:10:59 <Avatar> I hate building* oracles
19:11:16 <Spaceshot> why?
19:11:31 <Avatar> too diverse
19:11:39 <Avatar> it doesn't make sense how you can have so many types
19:11:48 <Spaceshot> why not?
19:12:32 <Avatar> every class should fill a niche
19:12:43 <Avatar> it's weird having one class that can fill *any* niche effectively
19:12:57 <Spaceshot> every class doesn't need to feel a niche
19:12:58 <Spaceshot> fill*
19:13:17 <Spaceshot> a wizard doesn't fill a niche besides "extremely diverse spell caster"
19:13:23 <Spaceshot> which is a pretty broad niche
19:13:31 <Spaceshot> clerics also fill that niche
19:13:52 <Avatar> extremely diverse spell caster is a niche
19:14:03 <Spaceshot> and clerics have the same thing
19:14:13 <Avatar> that tells me you have not played a cleric
19:14:35 <Spaceshot> you're not adding the domain spell lists as additional diversity
19:14:41 <Spaceshot> which they do
19:15:02 <Avatar> that does not count
19:15:12 <Spaceshot> that does count
19:15:16 <Spaceshot> it adds to their diversity
19:15:34 <Spaceshot> as to how a witches patron adds to their diversity
19:15:37 <Avatar> I'm talking the overall picture
19:15:45 <Avatar> not one spell per day diversity
19:16:00 <Spaceshot> one spell per day, per spell level, adds diversity
19:16:13 <Avatar> the comparison with the oracle would be a new spell list for the cleric
19:16:18 <Avatar> not a single spell
19:16:38 <Spaceshot> I just like how you can make different oracles
19:16:57 <Spaceshot> I'm just disappointed you can't easily do that with other classes
19:18:14 <Spaceshot> I can make a divine pyromancer, a healbot, a hellknight sinctifier
19:18:29 <Spaceshot> a mammoth rider
19:18:44 <Spaceshot> all having the same base class, same spellcasting, but all different feels, even from leve l1
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20:01:13 <Steve> damn it i cant remember the kill command... time to google.
20:01:35 <Avatar> nickserv kill nickname password
20:01:46 Steve is now known as steven
20:02:02 <Avatar> I like to flavour it up by talking to whoever has my nickname first before killing them
20:02:08 <steven> yeah i found it just as you said it.
20:02:19 <steven> i just kill em.. but im Evil.
20:02:40 <Avatar> I don't talk to them to ask nicely for it
20:04:29 <Spaceshot> cartomancer doesn't explain itself well
20:04:46 <steven> the guy who runs as steven is kinda a dick, he came in here and was like thats my name i've had it since the 90s
20:04:48 <steven> rawr
20:06:27 <Avatar> see if you went in and talked to him first you could have had the upper hand
20:06:37 <Avatar> now you are in reaction mode and I bet you don't like it !
20:06:40 <Spaceshot> haha
20:07:20 <steven> nah i messaged him first time.
20:07:20 <Spaceshot> but a pathfinder Q, would having a harrow deck as your familiar still give you the familiar benefits?
20:07:22 <steven> he was a dick.
20:08:55 <s_gmusic> would the Harrow Deck be considered a famliliar or a bonded item?
20:09:07 <steven> i dont feel like dealing with dick people right now. I already had to earlier.
20:09:46 <s_gmusic> I haven't looked at anything dealing with the Harrow stuff, beyond the mention in Additional Resources that you have to buy the actual deck to use it in society, you can not use replacements like poker cards or dice.
20:10:26 <Spaceshot> yea I bought one :P
20:10:32 <Spaceshot> it looks cool, and will be fun to draw from
20:10:50 <Spaceshot> well it says it replaces the familiar ability to deliver touch spells
20:10:57 <Spaceshot> so I believe it's still a familiar
20:11:36 <Avatar> what book is the harrow stuff in
20:11:59 <s_gmusic> Inner Sea World Guide and a splat book
20:12:02 <s_gmusic> iirc
20:12:59 <Spaceshot> harrowed feat, and harrower prestige class is ISWG
20:13:13 <Spaceshot> whilist all the archetypes that use the harrow deck, is The Harrow Handbook
20:14:21 <Avatar> I don't have the harrow handbook
20:16:15 <Spaceshot> want a somewhat not legal pdf?
20:16:31 <Spaceshot> I bought my copy paperback
20:16:42 <Spaceshot> actually
20:16:44 <Spaceshot> gimme a seck
20:16:46 <Spaceshot> sec*
20:16:55 <Spaceshot> http://www.archivesofnethys.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Cartomancer
20:16:57 <Spaceshot> there we go
20:20:24 <Spaceshot> so yea, I believe it's a familiar
20:24:01 <Avatar> that is a witch archetype
20:24:51 <Spaceshot> yes it is
20:24:58 <Avatar> it's not a familiar just because it has the same name and works the same way
20:25:17 <Spaceshot> then what is it?
20:25:22 <Spaceshot> just a spell deck?
20:25:25 <Avatar> it's a deck
20:25:27 <Avatar> yeah
20:25:57 <Spaceshot> would you say you can still, somehow, transfer spells between other familiars/spell decks and give it spells via scrolls?
20:27:00 <Avatar> you would have a separate familiar
20:27:11 <Spaceshot> it replaces familiar
20:27:15 <Avatar> oh, does it
20:27:19 <Spaceshot> yes
20:27:22 <Spaceshot> thus the question
20:27:26 <Spaceshot> is it the familiar
20:27:43 <Avatar> Its ability to hold spells functions identically to the way a witch’s spells are granted by her familiar.
20:28:05 <Spaceshot> so that's the same as transfering and gaining new spells?
20:28:12 <Avatar> yeah
20:28:30 <Avatar> you don't see that wording as similar enough?
20:28:44 <Avatar> I am a abit surprised you aren't sure
20:28:47 <Spaceshot> never played a witch, didn't know the specific wording
20:28:55 <Avatar> it's general pathfinder rule wording
20:29:12 <Spaceshot> I guess
20:29:15 <Avatar> I thought you were a bit more experienced
20:29:26 <Avatar> doesn't matter, just surprised
20:29:38 <Spaceshot> no what I meant is, I didn't know the "hold spells" is part of the transfering/gaining new spells thing
20:29:40 <Spaceshot> that's all
20:29:50 <Avatar> yeah it's a commonsense thing
20:29:56 <Avatar> "functions identically"
20:30:10 <Spaceshot> I guess, but pathfinder/dnd has been really bad at wording at times
20:30:13 <Avatar> it would seriously impede the character if that part were somehow left out
20:30:14 <Spaceshot> so it's always good to make sure
20:30:25 <Avatar> apply the commonsense rule as often as possible
20:30:29 <Avatar> GMs like that
20:30:40 <Spaceshot> yea, but what if my common sense is different to others?
20:30:42 <Spaceshot> that's the issue
20:30:52 <Spaceshot> at least I genenerally have
20:30:57 <Avatar> it's "common" sense
20:31:05 <Avatar> if it's different, you work it out
20:31:11 <Avatar> but trust your judgement
20:31:18 <Spaceshot> heh
20:31:19 <Avatar> no need to split hairs
20:31:37 <Spaceshot> the thing that makes me think it's still a familiar, is the whole "it changes the deliver touch spells" thing
20:31:41 <Spaceshot> gained at level 3
20:31:49 <Spaceshot> does that mean it's just a familiar, just a weird one?
20:32:20 <Avatar> what changes sorry
20:32:41 <Spaceshot> Deliver Touch Spells (Su): At 3rd level, when the cartomancer uses the Deadly Dealer feat with a card from her spell deck, the card is not destroyed and gains the returning weapon special ability.
20:32:41 <Spaceshot> In addition, the cartomancer can deliver a touch spell with a thrown card. This uses the Deadly Dealer feat (see below), except the attack is resolved as a ranged touch attack and the card deals no damage of its own. This ability can be used with any card (not just one from the cartomancer’s spell deck).
20:33:19 <Avatar> right what am I looking at
20:33:26 <Spaceshot> deadly dealer feat basically turns a harrow deck into a weapon with each card being the ammo
20:33:40 <Spaceshot> oh sorry
20:33:45 <Spaceshot> this was before what I pasted
20:33:45 <Spaceshot> This ability replaces the witch’s familiar. The following familiar ability works differently for a cartomancer.
20:34:37 <s_gmusic> so you don't get a familiar at all, you get the ability to Deliver Touch Spells using the Deadly Dealer feat and a Harrow Deck.
20:34:51 <Avatar> I'm not sure where the confusion is
20:35:06 <Spaceshot> I don't understand how you can get a familiar ability, if you don't have a familiar
20:35:28 <s_gmusic> I see the issue.
20:36:21 <s_gmusic> At a certain level, if you have a familiar, you get the ability to deliver touch spells with that familiar. The Harrow Deck replaces the familiar so you don't get one. However, later on, you still get the ability to deliver touch spells, SIMILAR TO a familiar.
20:36:39 <s_gmusic> It's poor wording, imo.
20:36:59 <Spaceshot> I thought they fired the poor wording guys after UM/UC troubles
20:37:52 <Spaceshot> so basically, I become gambit, get to be cheesy with touch attacks as ranged touch attacks
20:37:58 <Spaceshot> and lose all familiar abilities?
20:38:23 <s_gmusic> pretty much, yeah.
20:38:37 <Spaceshot> mmk
20:38:39 <Spaceshot> just makin sure
20:39:31 <s_gmusic> you're either throwing the card to deal damage according to the Deadly Dealer feat, or you can use it to deliver touch spells per the "Deliver Touch Spells" Supernatural ability.
20:39:42 <Spaceshot> yea
20:40:08 <Spaceshot> basically it's an arcane archer, but with cards instead of arrows
20:40:26 <s_gmusic> a nice thing about the touch spell ability is that you can buy a cheap deck of playing cards (check ultimate equipment, they're like a few silver for a full deck) and use that to cast your spells through.
20:40:59 <Spaceshot> or I can use my spell deck, because I get returning
20:41:01 <Spaceshot> but I Get what you mean
20:41:38 <Spaceshot> probably won't be throwing around my deck till I hit level 3
20:42:25 <Brunius`> Holy shit
20:42:27 <Brunius`> Spaceshot is here
20:42:30 Brunius` is now known as Brunius
20:42:30 <Spaceshot> the hillarious part will me throwing cards at people to heal them
20:42:36 <Spaceshot> I am, wanna fight about it?
20:42:51 <Brunius> Nah man, I just thought you'd ditched us 5evr
20:43:04 <Spaceshot> I'll never ditch you 6vr bb
20:43:31 <Spaceshot> just wasn't doing pathfinder, and had other shtuff happenin
20:43:44 <Spaceshot> but gettin back into pfs, got a game thursday in the city actually
20:44:31 <Brunius> Yeah I saw you and Michelle posting on the group
20:44:36 <Spaceshot> stalker
20:44:48 <Brunius> Not always <3
20:44:58 <Spaceshot> do you want my underwear now or you just gonna keep going through our bins?
20:45:06 <Brunius> Just gonna go through the bins
20:45:40 <Spaceshot> all good
20:45:53 <Spaceshot> should be tasty tonight, got some fatty scraps of our roast
20:45:55 <Spaceshot> :P
20:48:41 <Spaceshot> you been playing much lately brun?
20:49:10 <Brunius> Nah, been getting into LARP-ish stuff, plus year 12
20:49:25 <Spaceshot> LARP?
20:49:29 <Brunius> ish
20:49:30 * Spaceshot shudders
20:49:57 <Brunius> It's more grounded in reality, no magic, no HP, just personal skillz
20:50:00 <Brunius> I die a lot
20:50:12 <Spaceshot> heh
20:50:33 <Spaceshot> so you mean more medieval fighting?
20:50:37 <Brunius> Yep
20:50:41 <Brunius> With the SCA, if you know of them
20:50:45 <Spaceshot> yea a friend of mine did that
20:50:48 <Spaceshot> maybe?
20:51:10 <Spaceshot> is it foam weaponry or real weapons?
20:51:11 <Spaceshot> just blunt
20:51:22 <Brunius> Bamboo
20:51:35 <Brunius> Full speed, bamboo
20:51:50 <Spaceshot> ah
20:52:07 <Spaceshot> a friend of mine used real weapons
20:52:10 <Spaceshot> but they were all blunt
20:52:19 <Spaceshot> and no aiming for certain body parts
20:52:26 <steven> nachos
20:52:27 <Brunius> Yeah, a guy at the local group went to a group that does that and fought there
20:52:31 <Brunius> Came back with dints in his helm
20:52:34 <Spaceshot> hah
20:52:36 <Avatar> real I hope
20:52:41 <Avatar> oh woops
20:52:46 <Brunius> real nachos?
20:52:48 <Spaceshot> yea the guy is like viking mode
20:52:49 <Avatar> real weapons
20:52:50 <Avatar> :(
20:53:02 <Spaceshot> and he wears a lamilar
20:53:09 <Spaceshot> or however you spell it, basically a fat suit
20:53:11 <steven> no brunius fake nachos made of plastic.
20:53:15 <s_gmusic> http://i.imgur.com/V7HnQnB.jpg
20:53:16 <Brunius> lamellar?
20:53:20 <Spaceshot> that's it
20:53:43 <Spaceshot> he has a couple axes, a sword, a couple shields and I believe a spear
20:53:58 <Spaceshot> and a helmet
20:54:12 <Spaceshot> he was also making his own chainmail in high school
20:54:21 <Brunius> I've got like 3000 links of chainmail
20:54:30 <Spaceshot> or ringmail, whichever the one with really small rings are called
20:54:33 <Brunius> just haven't put it together
20:55:08 <Spaceshot> yea he was puttin it together
20:55:14 <Spaceshot> I think he got a coif done
20:55:17 <Spaceshot> it took him ages
20:55:42 <Brunius> Yeah, I might only go for the coif, rather than the full-body one I was originally planning
20:56:12 <Spaceshot> depending on the size of those links, 3000 probably won't be enough for full-body
20:56:28 <Brunius> Yeah, probably won't
20:56:34 <Brunius> but it was the max they'd allow me to buy at the time
20:56:38 <Spaceshot> ah
20:56:43 <Spaceshot> parents limiting you?
20:56:50 <Brunius> the site itself
20:56:55 <Spaceshot> haha
20:57:25 <Spaceshot> but yea, slowly gettin back into pfs
20:57:30 <Spaceshot> would like to start my own campaign of somethin
20:57:33 <Spaceshot> but irl
20:57:44 <Spaceshot> so I doubt any of your monkeys would care XD
20:59:48 <steven> ive considered getting chainmail, but i'd be really heavy and hot.
21:00:52 <steven> cause im a big guy, would take a lot of metal
21:01:19 <s_gmusic> ^
21:07:59 <Brunius> I don't think I've seen anybody ever wear it, at least in the SCA
21:08:24 <Brunius> Most eschew anything but the basic body armour, maybe shoulder pauldrons
21:18:45 <steven> well i destroyed those nachos
21:19:11 <Spaceshot> hah
21:19:15 <Spaceshot> they stood no chance
21:22:31 <steven> so we were playing wrath tonight.
21:22:57 <steven> before i arrived a guy who comes once in a while showed up.
21:23:39 <steven> literally 2 sessions(including this one) came in and convinced the party to spend 50k on stuff he needed.
21:23:55 <steven> 2 sessions out of around 25 that we have had.
21:25:35 <steven> we've spent around 25k on raising people back to life, restorations, and some minor magical items.
21:26:30 <steven> so yeah, spent 50k gold.
21:26:40 <steven> prolly wont play again for another month or two.
21:30:21 <Spaceshot> and people listen to him because?
21:31:10 <steven> because he pesters them until they give in
21:31:32 <Spaceshot> you tell that sort of person to fuck off
21:31:36 <Spaceshot> and bamn
21:31:41 <Spaceshot> they leave
21:31:58 <steven> thats what I do. the rest of them actually want to be seen as nice people.
21:32:04 <steven> I just dont give a shit.
21:32:21 <Spaceshot> did you spend any of your hard earned gold on him?
21:32:58 <steven> no i undid the purchases
21:33:17 <Spaceshot> you were the GM?
21:34:02 <steven> messaged the GM and was like, we're not spending gold on a person who shows up less than 10% of the time.
21:34:13 <Spaceshot> ah
21:35:07 <steven> He annoys me greatly.
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21:43:35 <steven> anyways, there unsold all the shit.
21:44:00 <steven> i mean seriously we're fucking mythic... no one NEEDS a stat boosting item really.
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22:10:03 <steven> there we go updated the spreadsheet a bit.
22:36:06 <Avatar> do you find a lot of people get what they want by pestering
22:38:54 <steven> yes, people tend to give others what they want if it will shut the person up.
22:41:22 <Avatar> I think that is an american thing
22:41:37 <Avatar> here we knock them around until they shut up
22:44:17 <steven> i dont think it is an american thing. I think it is a people thing.
22:44:34 <Avatar> I just see that kind of attitude with americans more
22:44:38 <Avatar> that's why I asked
22:45:17 <steven> really we only have like 2 people at the shop who are like that.
22:45:47 <Avatar> but when they are like that they tend to get what they want so they shut up
22:45:56 <Avatar> I'm not saying they all pester
22:46:02 <steven> other then them everyone is actually rather great.
22:46:25 <steven> yeah, people either give them what they want to shut them up or people think it is a good idea.
22:46:31 <steven> and go along with it.
22:46:51 <steven> but There are 4 of us who have been playing the campaign every slot.
22:47:07 <steven> and we've not spent hardly anything
22:47:29 <steven> so that we can purchase the cool items you dont get an opportunity to purchase in ps.
22:47:30 <steven> pfs
22:48:08 <steven> like we have yet to purchase the cleric a phalacary of positive channeling.
22:48:52 <steven> but all of a sudden the guy shows up for a session and i'm running late and he 'talks' people into spending 50k gold.
22:49:17 <steven> last time he showed up he wanted us to sell off a bunch of things so we could buy an item only he could use.
22:49:33 <steven> that cost 18k
22:49:48 <steven> and i was there. I was like no we're not buying that.
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