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00:32:43 <Danny-Glover> hi
00:45:25 <Steven> so one of the players for Wrath was like I'm going to upgrade my bow to a +4 Holy Adaptive Longbow.
00:46:13 <Steven> and im like no you're not you're going to get a +1 seeking phase locking evil outsider bane holy adaptive longbow.
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01:24:27 <s_gmusic> lol
01:25:33 <s_gmusic> what was their response?
01:29:32 <Steven> they shit themselve on how much better it was
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02:53:38 <Brunius> Legacyyyyyyyy
02:53:52 <Brunius> `op
02:53:55 <Tron> anyone seen Clu or Peter Flynn
02:54:12 <Brunius> `op
02:54:15 <Brunius> Not recently
02:54:27 <Tron> anyone ride a motorcycle
02:59:30 <Steven> sup.
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03:00:59 <Tron> hi
03:01:04 <Tron> the chalaenge of the drig
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03:50:41 <Hierophantasm> Hello
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04:13:24 <Spaceshot> is a ability score list with 2 16s, a 14 and 3 10s ok for PFS?
04:13:35 <Avatar> no
04:13:36 <Brunius> I'd think so
04:13:42 <Avatar> is that before racials?
04:13:47 <Spaceshot> that's after racials
04:13:51 <Spaceshot> before racials that doesn't add up
04:13:52 <Brunius> er
04:14:08 <Avatar> give us before racials and then you can add your racials yourself
04:14:24 <Spaceshot> 10,16,14,14,10,10 witch
04:14:28 <Spaceshot> give +2 to int
04:14:31 <Avatar> yeah that's fine
04:14:38 <Spaceshot> thought so
04:14:46 <Avatar> 16s and 14s are easy
04:14:47 <Spaceshot> I don't want to gimp my str, even though I could
04:14:50 <Avatar> 10 and 5 respectively
04:15:02 <Spaceshot> I meant ok as in, is it a good array to use
04:15:13 <Avatar> depends on class
04:15:20 <Avatar> for a witch it's fine
04:15:24 <Spaceshot> witch, dependant on ranged attacks
04:15:31 <Avatar> 16 is a bit of a weak int
04:15:53 <Avatar> but it also means you get no negative mods
04:16:18 <Spaceshot> well I also want to get a reasonable dex
04:16:29 <Spaceshot> going cartomancer to throw cards around
04:16:49 <Avatar> is it touch AC to hit?
04:17:04 <Spaceshot> card throwing counts as darts
04:17:10 <Avatar> so regular AC
04:17:17 <Spaceshot> but I can deliver touch spells via throwing a card, turning it into a ranged touch attack
04:17:27 <Spaceshot> so the card throwing is secondary
04:17:29 <Avatar> is there a limit to that
04:17:41 <Spaceshot> based on spells available basically
04:18:27 <Spaceshot> sadly, there aren't many melee touch spells to use
04:18:44 <Spaceshot> but it works well with chill touch, and other spells that give multiple touch attacks
04:19:09 <Avatar> I would seriously consider switching to 16 con and 14 dex
04:19:17 <Spaceshot> why 16con?
04:19:24 <Avatar> because that's your life
04:19:27 <Brunius> because avatar is obsessed with con
04:19:30 <Spaceshot> he is
04:19:37 <Avatar> I'm obsessed with staying alive
04:19:39 <Brunius> don't let him con you into it
04:19:40 <Avatar> you should too
04:19:46 <Spaceshot> heh, con, I see what you did there brun
04:19:48 <Avatar> nice one brunius
04:19:51 * Spaceshot high fives brun
04:21:02 <Spaceshot> the only time I've come close to dying, and actually dying
04:21:09 <Spaceshot> is when my healer was both the main tank, and main damage
04:21:23 <Spaceshot> 16con over 14 would not have saved me
04:21:28 <Avatar> what's your highest level character
04:21:44 <Spaceshot> Ava sunrock, level 5
04:21:52 <Avatar> was it that character?
04:21:54 <Spaceshot> need to level her up, but she's 5
04:21:57 <Spaceshot> yes, at level 3
04:22:02 <Avatar> at level 3
04:22:07 <Avatar> mate there are 9 levels after level 3
04:22:08 <Spaceshot> also in a hard scenario
04:22:14 <Avatar> those extra hp will count at high levels
04:22:25 <Spaceshot> Avatar, I shouldn't have to be the main tank, and main damage ever again
04:22:38 <Avatar> ok mate stick with your 16 dex then
04:22:40 <Spaceshot> even in the game with brun where we were low tier in a high tier game
04:22:41 <Avatar> gl
04:22:53 <Spaceshot> I wasn't really scared of dying, even though I was a living yo-yo
04:23:11 <Avatar> you never know it might be a reflex save from a fireball instead of a fort save from mummy rot
04:23:39 <Spaceshot> or you know, just don't get within melee range of any monster
04:23:42 <Spaceshot> and all is good
04:23:53 <Avatar> that's what Snickers said
04:24:17 <Spaceshot> yes, but I also know never to have mekkis as a GM again
04:24:21 <Spaceshot> you clearly don't XD
04:24:21 <Spaceshot> hahja
04:46:43 <Spaceshot> sup
04:46:53 <Idge> Its rather quiet here isnt it
04:46:54 <Spaceshot> are you well informed with the witch spell list steven?
04:46:57 <Spaceshot> or idge, or anyone
04:46:59 <Spaceshot> not fussed atm
04:48:37 <Steven> i know a bit about witches
04:49:12 <Steven> frankly man, just pick a spell that sounds cool, if you dont like it after using it then dont prep it again.
04:49:38 <Steven> i mean you can always add spells to your familiar.
04:49:57 <Spaceshot> what? I'm trying to find a good touch spell to throw through my cards
04:50:21 <Steven> chill touch
04:50:26 <Spaceshot> yea there is that
04:50:32 <Spaceshot> just seeing if there is any good level 2 spell to use
04:51:11 <Spaceshot> because I don't get the ability to use touch spells as ranged touch until level 3
04:51:19 <Spaceshot> so I'll have level 2 spells
04:55:02 <Steven> chill touch is decent
04:56:46 <Spaceshot> it is, but is it worth metamagicing?
05:05:27 <Steven> meh prolly not
05:05:37 <Steven> but your main offensive actions should be hexing
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05:08:40 <Spaceshot> what? no my main offensive actions will be throwing cards, either to make ranged touch spells
05:08:44 <Spaceshot> or to just throw cards
05:08:56 <Spaceshot> basically, I'm making an arcane archer that has a worse bab with cards
05:09:00 <Spaceshot> going into harrower
05:12:25 <Steven> if you're a witch your spell list is lackluster when compared to a wizard because you have the offensive actions of Hexs
05:13:55 <Spaceshot> yes, but I'm all about the harrow
05:14:05 <Spaceshot> and the ability to utilise my harrow deck
05:14:05 <Steven> then you shouldnt base it off of a witch.
05:14:12 <Spaceshot> we
05:14:22 <Spaceshot> we've been into this before, not everyone wishes to optimise to the max
05:14:25 <Spaceshot> and wish to play their own way
05:16:04 <Steven> thats fine, but you can either have good spells to throw with your cards
05:16:22 <Spaceshot> also not sure if I should go magical lineage and work with metamagic spells or work more with card throwing, spells or not
05:16:29 <Steven> or you can go witch and use hexs
05:16:39 <Spaceshot> you do realise only witch can do that right?
05:16:46 <Spaceshot> it's a witch archetype
05:17:56 <Steven> oh that thing... oh man you're going to be really unimpressed.
05:18:01 <Spaceshot> and I'm not asking for witch advice, just specific advice
05:18:16 <Spaceshot> I don't expect to be summoner level of awesome
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05:24:05 <Steven> back
05:24:14 <Spaceshot> didn't realise you left
05:24:27 <Spaceshot> there is chill touch, and frostbite
05:24:38 <Spaceshot> but I can't see any effective level 2 touch spells
05:25:02 <Steven> there isnt much.
05:25:13 <Spaceshot> even with the patrons?
05:25:19 <Spaceshot> isn't silence a touch spell?
05:25:48 <Spaceshot> but I can use it positively as well, as a replacement for reach rod for healing spells
05:28:36 <Steven> spectral hand does the same thing.
05:29:10 <Mekkis> Die, bot
05:29:19 <Spaceshot> sure, but that costs a spell
05:29:42 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:29:43 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis. The Waxworks (Con,CE), The Winged Serpent (Int,LG)
05:29:43 <Steven> 2nd level spells are pretty mehtastic
05:29:49 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:29:50 <diebot> Mekkis, The Vision (Int,CN), The Wanderer (Int,NG)
05:29:54 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:29:55 <diebot> Mekkis, The Unicorn (Cha,CG), The Uprising (Str,CN)
05:30:14 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: I'm not sure if that is considered legal yet or not
05:30:23 <Spaceshot> depends what he online commity has said about it
05:30:24 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I personally don't care
05:30:31 <Spaceshot> oh I doubt you do, but just saying
05:30:36 <Spaceshot> though it's a nice addition
05:30:44 <Mekkis> !shuffle
05:30:45 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
05:30:49 <Mekkis> !deal 2
05:30:50 <diebot> Mekkis, The Twin (Cha,N), The Tyrant (Cha,LE)
05:30:53 <Spaceshot> is there a cut mechanic?
05:30:56 <Spaceshot> !cut 12
05:31:09 <Mekkis> no. Looking at making a peek mechanic.
05:31:28 <Spaceshot> mmk
05:31:41 <Mekkis> given that that is required for it to satisfy the thingies.
05:32:02 <Spaceshot> thingies?
05:32:09 <Mekkis> "rules"
05:32:14 <Spaceshot> haha
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05:34:43 <Spaceshot> I know people aren't that fond of summoning, but I'm tempted to get harrowed summoning
05:34:49 <Spaceshot> just to add more of the "harrow" feel
05:36:48 <Steven> well so long as you dont 'add' 17 creatures to a fight
05:37:08 <Steven> i mean really, i've had it both ways.
05:38:02 <Spaceshot> haha
05:38:13 <Steven> ive had people who know what they are going to summon and have stat blocks at the ready
05:38:25 <Spaceshot> yea I'd have it ready
05:38:34 <Steven> already had the dice ready to roll and everything
05:38:43 <Spaceshot> nice
05:38:48 <Steven> and then i've had people who drag their feet with the whole process
05:39:03 <Spaceshot> it's even worse when you have someone who doesn't have the book/pdf with them
05:39:06 <Spaceshot> and ask to use the GMs
05:39:12 <Steven> exactly.
05:39:17 <Spaceshot> without even knowing what monster they want to summon
05:39:28 <Steven> so if you gonna do the summoning thing, just have a list of your most common summons.
05:39:39 <Spaceshot> yea I'll probably try and get them printed out
05:39:53 <Spaceshot> in a nice statblock environment, there are probably many made online already for just that
05:40:39 <Spaceshot> also helps to have that situation because michelle (gf) is a conjurer
05:45:10 <Spaceshot> also, I believe I know the answer, but just checking. you don't gain patron spells from the witch if you go into a prestige class right?
05:45:20 <Spaceshot> as in you don't gain any additional prestige spells
05:47:32 <Steven> my list is 1st Eagle, 2nd Small elementals, 3rd Lantern Archons, 4th Hound Archons, 5th Ankylosaurus, 6th lots of ankylosaurus.
05:47:51 <Spaceshot> haha
05:47:53 <Steven> nope, no more patron spells.
05:49:07 <Steven> no more spells learned by level either.
05:54:10 <Spaceshot> yea I know the no more spells via levels thing
05:54:32 <Spaceshot> and I thought the no more patron part, but just had to double check
05:57:24 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:16:01 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:16:52 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:17:01 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:17:29 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:17:32 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:18:20 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:18:33 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:18:43 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:18:54 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:19:03 <Mekkis> !shuffle
06:19:03 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
06:19:06 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:26:47 <Spaceshot> do non-ray ranged touch attacks count as weapon/ranged weapon attacks?
06:28:20 <Spaceshot> by this I mean spell based ones
06:29:40 <Mekkis> sort of
06:29:48 <Mekkis> Not for Weapon Focus (Ray)
06:30:00 <Mekkis> Die, bot
06:30:04 <Spaceshot> of course, and I doubt they can gain "weapon focus (Ranged touch attack)" right?
06:30:22 <Mekkis> RAW, no. In my campaign, sure.
06:30:35 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:30:36 <Spaceshot> oh definitely, most GMs in home games would
06:30:41 <Spaceshot> PFS however, is a bit more iffy
06:31:24 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
06:31:39 <Spaceshot> I know they can benefit from the plethora of ranged based feats (point blank, precise shot, so on)
06:32:33 <Spaceshot> but do things that state "weapon" work with ranged and non-ranged touch attacks generated from spells?
06:32:35 <Spaceshot> such as
06:32:39 <Spaceshot> !feat enforcer
06:32:41 <diebot> Spaceshot, ENFORCER [Combat]Prereq: Intimidate 1 rank. You are skilled at causing fear in those you brutalize.
06:32:41 <diebot> Benefit: Whenever you deal nonlethal damage with a melee weapon, you can make an Intimidate check to demoralize your target as a free action. If you are successful, the target is shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. If your attack was a critical hit, your target is frightened for 1 round with a successful Intimidate check, as
06:32:41 <diebot> well as being shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. Source: APG
06:32:44 <Mekkis> no.
06:32:54 <Spaceshot> so enforcer doesn't work with frostbite?
06:33:09 <Mekkis> no
06:33:13 <Spaceshot> balls
06:33:24 <Spaceshot> and I don't think I can get frigid touch as a witch
06:34:45 <Spaceshot> but a ray that deals non-lethal damage would count for enforcer, correct?
06:36:44 <Mekkis> no
06:36:48 <Mekkis> it's not a weapon
06:37:00 <Mekkis> it's also not a melee weapon.
06:37:15 <Spaceshot> touche
06:37:19 <Spaceshot> but a ray is a weapon
06:37:24 <Spaceshot> or considered a weapon
06:37:31 <Mekkis> [citation needed]
06:38:22 <Spaceshot> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9oag
06:38:46 <Spaceshot> I'm surprised you didn't know mekkis
06:39:32 <Mekkis> Sure, but it's not a melee weapon.
06:40:19 <Spaceshot> yea I forgot about the melee only requirement for enforcer
06:40:22 <Spaceshot> screw that in total then
06:40:34 <Spaceshot> since I'll be going ranged touch attacks all the way
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06:42:28 <Spaceshot> well so far I've found good level 1 and good level 3 touch spells
06:42:33 <Spaceshot> but no good level 2 touch spell
06:42:36 <Spaceshot> at least offensive ones
06:42:38 <Spaceshot> for witch
06:42:39 <Steven> yup
06:42:49 <Spaceshot> since 3 has vampiric touch
06:42:57 <Spaceshot> and 1 has chill touch
06:45:45 <Spaceshot> though I could get invisibility through patron to throw cards at party members to invis them
06:45:48 <Spaceshot> would be lols
06:49:44 <Spaceshot> touch of idiocy will be nice against casters
06:50:17 <Steven> You'd probably be a lot happier if you went with a wizard base.
06:51:20 <Spaceshot> again, you aren't getting it
06:51:30 <Brunius> Not always <3
06:51:33 <Steven> no i get your point of view
06:51:40 <Spaceshot> do you want my underwear now or you just gonna keep going through our bins?
06:51:47 <Spaceshot> do you?
06:51:48 <Brunius> Just gonna go through the bins
06:52:22 <Spaceshot> all good
06:52:35 <Spaceshot> should be tasty tonight, got some fatty scraps of our roast
06:52:37 <Spaceshot> :P
06:53:35 <Steven> yup.
06:53:57 <Spaceshot> I'm just trying to see if it's worth utilising an ability I am given
06:54:08 <Mekkis> !shuffle
06:54:08 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
06:54:16 <Mekkis> !deal 5
06:54:17 <diebot> Mekkis, The Fiend (Str,LE), The Liar (Cha,CE), The Tyrant (Cha,LE), The Dance (Dex,LG), The Uprising (Str,CN)
06:54:24 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
06:55:23 <Spaceshot> you been playing much lately brun?
06:55:52 <Brunius> Nah, been getting into LARP-ish stuff, plus year 12
06:56:07 <Spaceshot> LARP?
06:56:11 <Brunius> ish
06:56:12 * Spaceshot shudders
06:56:39 <Brunius> It's more grounded in reality, no magic, no HP, just personal skillz
06:56:42 <Brunius> I die a lot
06:56:46 <Steven> im looking for spells that are touch that combo well with the gambit thing you're doing
06:56:54 <Spaceshot> heh
06:57:08 <Steven> but the witch list just lacks a lot of umph when it comes to that.
06:57:15 <Spaceshot> so you mean more medieval fighting?
06:57:19 <Brunius> Yep
06:57:23 <Brunius> With the SCA, if you know of them
06:57:27 <Spaceshot> yea a friend of mine did that
06:57:30 <Spaceshot> maybe?
06:57:44 <Spaceshot> it is a bit lack luster
06:57:46 <Spaceshot> at least a level 2
06:57:51 <Spaceshot> is it foam weaponry or real weapons?
06:57:53 <Spaceshot> just blunt
06:57:53 <Steven> i mean you trade your swift and standard action to do it.
06:57:58 <Spaceshot> level 1 and level 3 on wards is good
06:58:02 <Spaceshot> swift?
06:58:04 <Brunius> Bamboo
06:58:10 <Spaceshot> how am I trading my swift?
06:58:17 <Brunius> Full speed, bamboo
06:58:25 <Steven> to throw the card you have to use arcane strike
06:58:32 <Spaceshot> ah
06:58:49 <Spaceshot> a friend of mine used real weapons
06:58:51 <Spaceshot> not with deliver touch though
06:58:52 <Spaceshot> but they were all blunt
06:59:01 <Spaceshot> and no aiming for certain body parts
06:59:08 <steven> nachos
06:59:09 <Brunius> Yeah, a guy at the local group went to a group that does that and fought there
06:59:13 <Brunius> Came back with dints in his helm
06:59:16 <Spaceshot> hah
06:59:18 <Avatar> real I hope
06:59:23 <Avatar> oh woops
06:59:28 <Brunius> real nachos?
06:59:30 <Spaceshot> yea the guy is like viking mode
06:59:31 <Avatar> real weapons
06:59:31 <Spaceshot> well it does use arcane strike
06:59:32 <Avatar> :(
06:59:44 <Spaceshot> and he wears a lamilar
06:59:51 <Spaceshot> or however you spell it, basically a fat suit
06:59:53 <steven> no brunius fake nachos made of plastic.
06:59:57 <s_gmusic> http://i.imgur.com/V7HnQnB.jpg
06:59:58 <Brunius> lamellar?
07:00:02 <Spaceshot> that's it
07:00:25 <Spaceshot> he has a couple axes, a sword, a couple shields and I believe a spear
07:00:39 <Spaceshot> and a helmet
07:00:54 <Spaceshot> he was also making his own chainmail in high school
07:01:03 <Brunius> I've got like 3000 links of chainmail
07:01:12 <Spaceshot> or ringmail, whichever the one with really small rings are called
07:01:15 <Brunius> just haven't put it together
07:01:49 <Spaceshot> yea he was puttin it together
07:01:56 <Spaceshot> I think he got a coif done
07:01:59 <Spaceshot> it took him ages
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07:02:24 <Brunius> Yeah, I might only go for the coif, rather than the full-body one I was originally planning
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07:02:48 <Mekkis> Die, bot
07:02:54 <Spaceshot> depending on the size of those links, 3000 probably won't be enough for full-body
07:02:58 <Spaceshot> most casters don't really care about their swift action anyway
07:03:10 <Brunius> Yeah, probably won't
07:03:16 <Brunius> but it was the max they'd allow me to buy at the time
07:03:20 <Spaceshot> ah
07:03:20 <Steven> until they get high enough level to have quicken
07:03:23 <Steven> metamagic
07:03:25 <Spaceshot> parents limiting you?
07:03:27 <Steven> or a rod of quicken
07:03:28 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
07:03:32 <Brunius> the site itself
07:03:37 <Spaceshot> haha
07:04:07 <Spaceshot> but yea, slowly gettin back into pfs
07:04:12 <Spaceshot> would like to start my own campaign of somethin
07:04:14 <Spaceshot> but irl
07:04:21 <Steven> a ray/waves of exhaustion and a quickened black tenticles is a pretty fun thing to hit people with.
07:04:26 <Spaceshot> so I doubt any of your monkeys would care XD
07:06:30 <steven> ive considered getting chainmail, but i'd be really heavy and hot.
07:07:34 <steven> cause im a big guy, would take a lot of metal
07:08:01 <s_gmusic> ^
07:08:49 <Spaceshot> so I'd have to use a swift action every round I want to throw my cards?
07:14:41 <Brunius> I don't think I've seen anybody ever wear it, at least in the SCA
07:15:06 <Brunius> Most eschew anything but the basic body armour, maybe shoulder pauldrons
07:16:40 <Spaceshot> do you think there is a point in getting basically augmented summoning (a harrow version of it) for only level 1 summons?
07:16:44 <Spaceshot> or get it later
07:25:27 <steven> well i destroyed those nachos
07:25:53 <Spaceshot> hah
07:25:57 <Spaceshot> they stood no chance
07:29:13 <steven> so we were playing wrath tonight.
07:29:39 <steven> before i arrived a guy who comes once in a while showed up.
07:30:00 <Steven> i think the first level summons are horrible.
07:30:21 <steven> literally 2 sessions(including this one) came in and convinced the party to spend 50k on stuff he needed.
07:30:37 <steven> 2 sessions out of around 25 that we have had.
07:31:15 <Spaceshot> so I guess that's a no
07:31:22 <Spaceshot> till at least 3rd level, possibly even 5th
07:32:17 <steven> we've spent around 25k on raising people back to life, restorations, and some minor magical items.
07:33:12 <steven> so yeah, spent 50k gold.
07:33:22 <steven> prolly wont play again for another month or two.
07:37:03 <Spaceshot> and people listen to him because?
07:37:52 <steven> because he pesters them until they give in
07:38:14 <Spaceshot> you tell that sort of person to fuck off
07:38:18 <Spaceshot> and bamn
07:38:23 <Spaceshot> they leave
07:38:40 <steven> thats what I do. the rest of them actually want to be seen as nice people.
07:38:46 <steven> I just dont give a shit.
07:39:03 <Spaceshot> did you spend any of your hard earned gold on him?
07:39:40 <steven> no i undid the purchases
07:39:59 <Spaceshot> you were the GM?
07:40:44 <steven> messaged the GM and was like, we're not spending gold on a person who shows up less than 10% of the time.
07:40:55 <Spaceshot> ah
07:41:49 <steven> He annoys me greatly.
07:48:44 <Steven> i'd only take it at first if i was going for a feat chain.
07:50:13 <Spaceshot> yea, it'd probably be better if I get point blank and then precise shot at level 3
07:50:17 <steven> anyways, there unsold all the shit.
07:50:42 <steven> i mean seriously we're fucking mythic... no one NEEDS a stat boosting item really.
08:16:45 <steven> there we go updated the spreadsheet a bit.
08:27:42 <a8wj3> What do you guys think about this:
08:27:54 <a8wj3> real life is stranger than fiction.
08:30:19 <a8wj3> I suppose one answer would be that fiction mirrors life, perhaps through a filter. Like a better version of Instragram/Photoshop.
08:41:32 <Spaceshot> anywho, should I bother with strength using deadly dealer as a witch?
08:42:48 <Avatar> do you find a lot of people get what they want by pestering
08:45:36 <steven> yes, people tend to give others what they want if it will shut the person up.
08:46:02 * Steven shrugs
08:48:04 <Avatar> I think that is an american thing
08:48:19 <Avatar> here we knock them around until they shut up
08:50:59 <steven> i dont think it is an american thing. I think it is a people thing.
08:51:16 <Avatar> I just see that kind of attitude with americans more
08:51:21 <Avatar> that's why I asked
08:52:00 <steven> really we only have like 2 people at the shop who are like that.
08:52:29 <Avatar> but when they are like that they tend to get what they want so they shut up
08:52:38 <Avatar> I'm not saying they all pester
08:52:45 <steven> other then them everyone is actually rather great.
08:53:07 <steven> yeah, people either give them what they want to shut them up or people think it is a good idea.
08:53:13 <steven> and go along with it.
08:53:34 <steven> but There are 4 of us who have been playing the campaign every slot.
08:53:49 <steven> and we've not spent hardly anything
08:54:11 <steven> so that we can purchase the cool items you dont get an opportunity to purchase in ps.
08:54:13 <steven> pfs
08:54:50 <steven> like we have yet to purchase the cleric a phalacary of positive channeling.
08:55:34 <steven> but all of a sudden the guy shows up for a session and i'm running late and he 'talks' people into spending 50k gold.
08:55:59 <steven> last time he showed up he wanted us to sell off a bunch of things so we could buy an item only he could use.
08:56:15 <steven> that cost 18k
08:56:30 <steven> and i was there. I was like no we're not buying that.
10:39:25 <Danny-Glover> hi
13:57:23 <Hierophantasm> Hello
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18:18:05 <Mekkis> !hp 6d8m2
18:18:07 <diebot> Mekkis, 45
18:18:10 <Mekkis> Oh, it's trollshot
18:18:14 <Avatar> mekkis didn't do anything wrong in his tactics to whack me
18:18:35 <Spaceshot> I don't want to get into it
18:18:48 <Spaceshot> it's been beaten to death more than abbott XD
18:19:38 <Spaceshot> anywho, if you were only able to choose 1 hex for your witch avatar, which would you choose?
18:19:53 <Avatar> flight
18:20:14 <Avatar> that's easy because witches have spells
18:20:16 <Spaceshot> is flight good only till level 5?
18:20:24 <Avatar> only good at level 5
18:20:34 <Avatar> you'd usually take your other hexes before then
18:20:46 <Avatar> you might fall into a pit, I guess
18:20:55 <Avatar> levitate isn't terrible with good tactics
18:21:12 <Avatar> there's something weird about the witch's levitate that I can't remember
18:21:14 <Spaceshot> well my level 2 and level 4 hexes are taken by both archetypes
18:21:26 <Spaceshot> it's not an immediate action?
18:21:37 <Avatar> no it wouldn't be immediate, that's dumb
18:21:45 <Avatar> I think you get less use out of it than you do of fly
18:21:52 <Avatar> like one casting or something
18:22:08 <Avatar> the Extra Hex feat is your friend
18:22:13 <Mekkis> Definitely Fortune
18:22:16 <Mekkis> !spell Phantom Steed
18:22:21 <diebot> Mekkis, PHANTOM STEED conjuration (creation[]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, summoner 2, magus 3 10 minutes Range: 0 ft. Comp: V, S Duration: 1 hour/level Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
18:22:21 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/phantom_steed.html
18:22:33 Mekkis gives channel half-operator status to diebot
18:22:53 <Spaceshot> I was thinking either flight or healing
18:23:08 <Avatar> what kind of witch are you again
18:23:48 <Spaceshot> because I'm going hedge cartomancer (hedge witch and cartomancer, the harrow archetype)
18:24:01 <Spaceshot> and going into harrower asap, which I believe is level 6
18:24:40 <Avatar> healing is an awful choice man
18:24:50 <Avatar> witches already get healing spells
18:24:57 <Avatar> and hedge witches boost their healing with the class
18:25:03 <Avatar> and you can buy a reach rod
18:25:09 <Avatar> flight is golden
18:25:10 <Spaceshot> I can throw cards to do it
18:25:29 <Spaceshot> I don't need a reach rod
18:25:35 <Avatar> even better then !
18:25:35 <Spaceshot> can throw cards to deliver touch spells
18:25:37 <Spaceshot> yea
18:25:47 <Spaceshot> now the hard question
18:25:55 <Spaceshot> do you know of any good level 2 touch spells the witch gets
18:25:58 <Spaceshot> or can get from patrons
18:26:25 <Avatar> CMW
18:26:35 <Spaceshot> I mean offensive, besides just IMW
18:28:30 <Mekkis> !item reaper's mask
18:28:32 <diebot> Mekkis, GRAPPLER'S MASK [faint transmutation] CL:1 head 5000gp, 2lb
18:28:33 <diebot> This mask is fashioned from dark leather decorated with geometrical patterns that emphasize the wearer's fearsomeness. It covers the wearer's face, but leaves his mouth and eyes uncovered. The wearer may attempt to bull rush and grapple without provoking attacks of opportunity. Source: Ultimate Equipment
18:31:03 <Spaceshot> I'm not that wellversed with the witch spell list
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18:39:53 <Steven> suuuuuuuuup
18:39:59 <Spaceshot> sup
18:40:09 <Idge> Its rather quiet here isnt it
18:40:10 <Spaceshot> are you well informed with the witch spell list steven?
18:40:13 <Spaceshot> or idge, or anyone
18:40:15 <Spaceshot> not fussed atm
18:41:53 <Steven> i know a bit about witches
18:42:27 <Steven> frankly man, just pick a spell that sounds cool, if you dont like it after using it then dont prep it again.
18:42:53 <Steven> i mean you can always add spells to your familiar.
18:43:13 <Spaceshot> what? I'm trying to find a good touch spell to throw through my cards
18:43:37 <Steven> chill touch
18:43:42 <Spaceshot> yea there is that
18:43:47 <Spaceshot> just seeing if there is any good level 2 spell to use
18:44:26 <Spaceshot> because I don't get the ability to use touch spells as ranged touch until level 3
18:44:35 <Spaceshot> so I'll have level 2 spells
18:48:17 <Steven> chill touch is decent
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18:50:02 <Spaceshot> it is, but is it worth metamagicing?
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18:58:43 <Steven> meh prolly not
18:58:53 <Steven> but your main offensive actions should be hexing
19:01:56 <Spaceshot> what? no my main offensive actions will be throwing cards, either to make ranged touch spells
19:02:00 <Spaceshot> or to just throw cards
19:02:12 <Spaceshot> basically, I'm making an arcane archer that has a worse bab with cards
19:02:16 <Spaceshot> going into harrower
19:05:42 <Steven> if you're a witch your spell list is lackluster when compared to a wizard because you have the offensive actions of Hexs
19:07:12 <Spaceshot> yes, but I'm all about the harrow
19:07:21 <Spaceshot> and the ability to utilise my harrow deck
19:07:21 <Steven> then you shouldnt base it off of a witch.
19:07:28 <Spaceshot> we
19:07:38 <Spaceshot> we've been into this before, not everyone wishes to optimise to the max
19:07:41 <Spaceshot> and wish to play their own way
19:09:20 <Steven> thats fine, but you can either have good spells to throw with your cards
19:09:38 <Spaceshot> also not sure if I should go magical lineage and work with metamagic spells or work more with card throwing, spells or not
19:09:45 <Steven> or you can go witch and use hexs
19:09:55 <Spaceshot> you do realise only witch can do that right?
19:10:02 <Spaceshot> it's a witch archetype
19:11:13 <Steven> oh that thing... oh man you're going to be really unimpressed.
19:11:17 <Spaceshot> and I'm not asking for witch advice, just specific advice
19:11:32 <Spaceshot> I don't expect to be summoner level of awesome
19:17:21 <Steven> back
19:17:31 <Spaceshot> didn't realise you left
19:17:43 <Spaceshot> there is chill touch, and frostbite
19:17:54 <Spaceshot> but I can't see any effective level 2 touch spells
19:18:19 <Steven> there isnt much.
19:18:30 <Spaceshot> even with the patrons?
19:18:36 <Spaceshot> isn't silence a touch spell?
19:19:05 <Spaceshot> but I can use it positively as well, as a replacement for reach rod for healing spells
19:21:52 <Steven> spectral hand does the same thing.
19:22:26 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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19:22:35 <Spaceshot> sure, but that costs a spell
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19:22:58 <Mekkis> !deal 2
19:22:59 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis. The Waxworks (Con,CE), The Winged Serpent (Int,LG)
19:22:59 <Steven> 2nd level spells are pretty mehtastic
19:23:05 <Mekkis> !deal 2
19:23:06 <diebot> Mekkis, The Vision (Int,CN), The Wanderer (Int,NG)
19:23:10 <Mekkis> !deal 2
19:23:11 <diebot> Mekkis, The Unicorn (Cha,CG), The Uprising (Str,CN)
19:23:30 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: I'm not sure if that is considered legal yet or not
19:23:39 <Spaceshot> depends what he online commity has said about it
19:23:40 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I personally don't care
19:23:47 <Spaceshot> oh I doubt you do, but just saying
19:23:53 <Spaceshot> though it's a nice addition
19:24:00 <Mekkis> !shuffle
19:24:02 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
19:24:05 <Mekkis> !deal 2
19:24:06 <diebot> Mekkis, The Twin (Cha,N), The Tyrant (Cha,LE)
19:24:09 <Spaceshot> is there a cut mechanic?
19:24:13 <Spaceshot> !cut 12
19:24:25 <Mekkis> no. Looking at making a peek mechanic.
19:24:45 <Spaceshot> mmk
19:24:57 <Mekkis> given that that is required for it to satisfy the thingies.
19:25:18 <Spaceshot> thingies?
19:25:25 <Mekkis> "rules"
19:25:30 <Spaceshot> haha
19:27:59 <Spaceshot> I know people aren't that fond of summoning, but I'm tempted to get harrowed summoning
19:28:06 <Spaceshot> just to add more of the "harrow" feel
19:30:04 <Steven> well so long as you dont 'add' 17 creatures to a fight
19:30:24 <Steven> i mean really, i've had it both ways.
19:31:19 <Spaceshot> haha
19:31:30 <Steven> ive had people who know what they are going to summon and have stat blocks at the ready
19:31:41 <Spaceshot> yea I'd have it ready
19:31:51 <Steven> already had the dice ready to roll and everything
19:31:59 <Spaceshot> nice
19:32:04 <Steven> and then i've had people who drag their feet with the whole process
19:32:19 <Spaceshot> it's even worse when you have someone who doesn't have the book/pdf with them
19:32:22 <Spaceshot> and ask to use the GMs
19:32:29 <Steven> exactly.
19:32:34 <Spaceshot> without even knowing what monster they want to summon
19:32:44 <Steven> so if you gonna do the summoning thing, just have a list of your most common summons.
19:32:55 <Spaceshot> yea I'll probably try and get them printed out
19:33:09 <Spaceshot> in a nice statblock environment, there are probably many made online already for just that
19:33:56 <Spaceshot> also helps to have that situation because michelle (gf) is a conjurer
19:38:27 <Spaceshot> also, I believe I know the answer, but just checking. you don't gain patron spells from the witch if you go into a prestige class right?
19:38:36 <Spaceshot> as in you don't gain any additional prestige spells
19:40:48 <Steven> my list is 1st Eagle, 2nd Small elementals, 3rd Lantern Archons, 4th Hound Archons, 5th Ankylosaurus, 6th lots of ankylosaurus.
19:41:07 <Spaceshot> haha
19:41:10 <Steven> nope, no more patron spells.
19:42:24 <Steven> no more spells learned by level either.
19:47:27 <Spaceshot> yea I know the no more spells via levels thing
19:47:49 <Spaceshot> and I thought the no more patron part, but just had to double check
19:50:40 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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20:09:17 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
20:10:07 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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20:10:17 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
20:10:45 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
20:10:48 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
20:11:36 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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20:11:49 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
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20:11:59 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
20:12:10 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
20:12:19 <Mekkis> !shuffle
20:12:19 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
20:12:22 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
20:20:03 <Spaceshot> do non-ray ranged touch attacks count as weapon/ranged weapon attacks?
20:21:36 <Spaceshot> by this I mean spell based ones
20:22:56 <Mekkis> sort of
20:23:04 <Mekkis> Not for Weapon Focus (Ray)
20:23:16 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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20:23:20 <Spaceshot> of course, and I doubt they can gain "weapon focus (Ranged touch attack)" right?
20:23:34 <Mekkis> RAW, no. In my campaign, sure.
20:23:50 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
20:23:52 <Spaceshot> oh definitely, most GMs in home games would
20:23:58 <Spaceshot> PFS however, is a bit more iffy
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20:24:39 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
20:24:55 <Spaceshot> I know they can benefit from the plethora of ranged based feats (point blank, precise shot, so on)
20:25:49 <Spaceshot> but do things that state "weapon" work with ranged and non-ranged touch attacks generated from spells?
20:25:52 <Spaceshot> such as
20:25:56 <Spaceshot> !feat enforcer
20:25:57 <diebot> Spaceshot, ENFORCER [Combat]Prereq: Intimidate 1 rank. You are skilled at causing fear in those you brutalize.
20:25:57 <diebot> Benefit: Whenever you deal nonlethal damage with a melee weapon, you can make an Intimidate check to demoralize your target as a free action. If you are successful, the target is shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. If your attack was a critical hit, your target is frightened for 1 round with a successful Intimidate check, as
20:25:57 <diebot> well as being shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. Source: APG
20:26:00 <Mekkis> no.
20:26:11 <Spaceshot> so enforcer doesn't work with frostbite?
20:26:25 <Mekkis> no
20:26:29 <Spaceshot> balls
20:26:40 <Spaceshot> and I don't think I can get frigid touch as a witch
20:28:01 <Spaceshot> but a ray that deals non-lethal damage would count for enforcer, correct?
20:30:00 <Mekkis> no
20:30:04 <Mekkis> it's not a weapon
20:30:14 <Mekkis> it's also not a melee weapon.
20:30:31 <Spaceshot> touche
20:30:36 <Spaceshot> but a ray is a weapon
20:30:40 <Spaceshot> or considered a weapon
20:30:46 <Mekkis> [citation needed]
20:31:38 <Spaceshot> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9oag
20:32:02 <Spaceshot> I'm surprised you didn't know mekkis
20:32:48 <Mekkis> Sure, but it's not a melee weapon.
20:33:35 <Spaceshot> yea I forgot about the melee only requirement for enforcer
20:33:39 <Spaceshot> screw that in total then
20:33:51 <Spaceshot> since I'll be going ranged touch attacks all the way
20:35:45 <Spaceshot> well so far I've found good level 1 and good level 3 touch spells
20:35:49 <Spaceshot> but no good level 2 touch spell
20:35:52 <Spaceshot> at least offensive ones
20:35:55 <Spaceshot> for witch
20:35:55 <Steven> yup
20:36:05 <Spaceshot> since 3 has vampiric touch
20:36:13 <Spaceshot> and 1 has chill touch
20:39:02 <Spaceshot> though I could get invisibility through patron to throw cards at party members to invis them
20:39:04 <Spaceshot> would be lols
20:43:00 <Spaceshot> touch of idiocy will be nice against casters
20:43:33 <Steven> You'd probably be a lot happier if you went with a wizard base.
20:44:37 <Spaceshot> again, you aren't getting it
20:44:49 <Steven> no i get your point of view
20:45:03 <Spaceshot> do you?
20:46:51 <Steven> yup.
20:47:14 <Spaceshot> I'm just trying to see if it's worth utilising an ability I am given
20:47:23 <Mekkis> !shuffle
20:47:24 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis.
20:47:32 <Mekkis> !deal 5
20:47:33 <diebot> Mekkis, The Fiend (Str,LE), The Liar (Cha,CE), The Tyrant (Cha,LE), The Dance (Dex,LG), The Uprising (Str,CN)
20:47:40 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
20:50:02 <Steven> im looking for spells that are touch that combo well with the gambit thing you're doing
20:50:25 <Steven> but the witch list just lacks a lot of umph when it comes to that.
20:51:01 <Spaceshot> it is a bit lack luster
20:51:03 <Spaceshot> at least a level 2
20:51:09 <Steven> i mean you trade your swift and standard action to do it.
20:51:14 <Spaceshot> level 1 and level 3 on wards is good
20:51:19 <Spaceshot> swift?
20:51:26 <Spaceshot> how am I trading my swift?
20:51:42 <Steven> to throw the card you have to use arcane strike
20:52:07 <Spaceshot> not with deliver touch though
20:52:48 <Spaceshot> well it does use arcane strike
20:56:04 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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20:56:14 <Spaceshot> most casters don't really care about their swift action anyway
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20:56:37 <Steven> until they get high enough level to have quicken
20:56:39 <Steven> metamagic
20:56:43 <Steven> or a rod of quicken
20:56:44 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
20:57:38 <Steven> a ray/waves of exhaustion and a quickened black tenticles is a pretty fun thing to hit people with.
21:02:06 <Spaceshot> so I'd have to use a swift action every round I want to throw my cards?
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22:40:00 <Steven> str will add to your base damage
22:40:03 <Mekkis> !spell delay disease
22:40:04 <Steven> but wont help your to hit.
22:40:14 <diebot> Mekkis, DELAY DISEASE conjuration (healing[]) alchemist 2, cleric 2, druid 2, inquisitor 2, paladin 2, ranger 2, witch 1 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 day Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: Advanced Race Guide
22:40:14 <diebot> The target becomes temporarily immune to disease. Any disease to which it is exposed during the spell's duration does not affect the target until the spell's duration has expired. If the target is currently infected with a disease, you must make a caster level check against the disease's DC to suspend it for the duration of the spell; otherwise,
22:40:15 <diebot> that disease affects the target normally. Delay disease does not cure any damage a disease may have already done.
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