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02:42:45 <andrey> question: in pathfinder, if you make an AOO with unarmed strike (untrained), will the unarmed strike provoke?
02:43:07 <txtsd> yes
02:43:51 <andrey> from the original provoker/
02:43:53 <andrey> ?
02:44:16 <txtsd> yes
02:44:24 <txtsd> not sure if it does from others
02:45:00 <andrey> hmm, so if the original provoker also used unarmed strike to make the third aoo
02:45:11 <andrey> you could have a feedback loop of aoos?
02:45:30 <andrey> assuming everyone has combat reflexes
03:02:46 <s_gmusic> wouldn't work.
03:03:05 <s_gmusic> can't provoke off the same guy unless they have a special ability that says so
03:17:05 <Steven> alright, what you all up to?
03:18:05 <s_gmusic> bitching about my other computer
03:18:54 <Steven> keep at it, im sure that will upgrade it!!
03:19:56 <s_gmusic> eh, close to "if I get more hot-headed, that should cool it off"
03:20:02 <Avatar> I didn't catch that the shaman now has a mixed cleric/druid/witch/misc spell list
03:20:22 <Steven> iunno
03:20:26 <Avatar> pity they haven't said a word about retraining into hybrids yet
03:20:44 <Steven> im currently tinkering with a build order for wrath.
03:20:54 <Avatar> which, come to think of it, probably means they haven't given it a thought
03:21:41 <Steven> we finally got to 9th level w/ 3 mythic tiers.
03:21:55 <Steven> It was some crazy ass fight.
03:22:26 <s_gmusic> heh.
03:22:58 <Steven> Yeah, but we succeeded, and now that place is ours!
03:23:07 <Steven> so now gotta do some construction.
03:23:10 <Steven> cause I dont heal!
03:24:02 <s_gmusic> my guys are there, too. gotta start them on the reconstruction stuff this week.
03:24:21 <Steven> Thinking of taking Leadership and the Crusader Path Ability from champion.
03:24:31 <Steven> I'd have around 140 followers.
03:25:01 <Steven> which i could just say hey they are all Craftsmen... go build some buildings bitches!
03:25:23 <Steven> seemed cheesy though.
03:26:39 <Steven> my character is General Turok the Undying
03:27:12 <Steven> when we went into the fight for that item, my character had 5 negative levels.
03:28:25 <s_gmusic> geez
03:29:50 <Steven> yup... but now we have some time to remove them.
03:31:55 <Steven> I think it is pretty annoying that Ultimate campaign lists build times for rooms
03:32:30 <Steven> and then lists the sum of what is needed to build a building
03:32:42 <Steven> after adding up all the rooms required to build the building
03:33:01 <Steven> but does not list the sum of the time it takes to make the building.
03:34:04 <Steven> so now i'm like okay i know this building will take 44 goods, 3 influence, 37 labor, 1 magic.
03:34:17 <Steven> but no fucking clue on how long the build time is without adding up all the rooms myself.
03:34:25 <Steven> seems like they could have done that fairly easily.
03:34:54 <Steven> suppose its the longest build time of any one component piece.
03:34:55 <s_gmusic> oversight, perhaps?
03:35:12 <Steven> plus a % of total.
03:35:31 <Steven> pretty glaring oversight in my humble opinion.
03:37:39 <Steven> Time to make a big fat spreadsheet.
03:37:58 <s_gmusic> and share it for all?
03:38:08 <s_gmusic> :)
03:41:55 <Steven> no, this will be very specific to my group.
03:42:39 <s_gmusic> oh. thought you were doing one for the building stuff
03:43:01 <Steven> I am, but it will be very specialized towards our needs.
03:43:36 <Steven> and it will be linked to our other spreadsheets for loot found and gold purchases.
03:43:47 <Steven> so i would not want to open that up to others.
03:46:32 <s_gmusic> fair enough
03:47:09 <Mekkis> andrey, no.
03:47:37 <Mekkis> In Pathfinder, if you're not trained in Unarmed Fighting, you don't threaten, so you can't make AoOs
03:48:23 <andrey> ah
03:48:35 <andrey> thanks
03:49:27 <Mekkis> however.
03:49:47 <Mekkis> s_gmusic was somewhat incorrect. You can't provoke with the same *action*.
03:51:18 <s_gmusic> my mistake, sorry about that. I remembered an exception somewhere about AoOs, but I've been trying to focus on Dungeons & Dragons Online a bit tonight.
03:54:15 <Avatar> part 2
03:54:56 <Avatar> I won't be able to give much notice, because I've got jury duty on friday and there's a small risk I might go into lockdown over the weekend
03:55:40 <Mekkis> And in case you were wondering, you CAN create a 'loop' of AoOs
03:56:09 <Mekkis> A trip attempt can be made as an AoO, and without Improved Trip, it provokes
04:01:18 <Mekkis> !spell mirror image
04:01:21 <diebot> Mekkis, MIRROR IMAGE illusion (figment[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, magus 2 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: 1 min./level Save: SR:Source: PFRPG Core
04:01:21 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/mirror_image.html
04:13:08 <Steven> started it.
04:14:07 <Steven> gonna leave out units that only produce Gold.
04:14:34 <Steven> since we can calculate that on the fly
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04:33:06 <Steven> yo
04:33:23 <Steven> so... 8th level/2nd Tier Bloodrager.
04:33:35 <Steven> -4 Negative levels.
04:34:00 <andrey> that's four positive levels, right?
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04:34:41 <Steven> yes... totally means that.
04:34:53 <andrey> naturally
04:35:29 <Steven> every mythic fight i get into, I drop negative because I'm the only character that can take a full round and not die from it.
04:37:54 <andrey> so, an aoo is only a maneuver or attack yes?
04:38:07 <andrey> no abilities or nuthin?
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04:40:08 <Honeydorin> Does anyone know good places to play Pathfinder online? I'm new to the game and want to play with others online.
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04:47:35 <Steven> first round before i got to go, took 120-130 damage.
04:48:22 <Steven> we ended active combat rounds with me being negative 121 damage.
04:49:52 <Steven> and then they healed me and i came back to life and got a negative level... would have killed anyone else.
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04:54:40 <txtsd> dammit why do people ask shit and don't wait for an answer?
04:54:56 <txtsd> We don't sit and stare at IRC 24/7 to answer questions.
04:55:37 <Steven> i'm thinking at 9th level, Toughness and Mythic Toughness for my tier 3 feat.
04:55:53 <Steven> that way when negative HP i'll have dr10 epic.
05:00:47 <Mekkis> !spell phase door
05:00:59 <diebot> Mekkis, PHASE DOOR conjuration (creation[]) sorcerer/wizard 7, witch 7 1 standard action Range: touch Comp: V Duration: one usage per two levels Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
05:01:00 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/phase_door.html
05:02:09 <Steven> so then at 9th level while raging i'd have a 184hp
05:02:58 <Steven> and could go 58 negative giving me and Hp pool of 242 before dying.
05:05:14 <Steven> with a swift action 246
05:05:36 <Steven> and 9 more from an increased con score 245hp.
05:05:59 <Steven> 255 even.
05:06:13 <Steven> pretty stupid for a 9th level character
05:18:05 <Avatar> I'll look at heresy of man 2
05:18:37 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure kapow ran it for me
05:19:24 <Mekkis> it's an 'attack action'
05:22:12 <Steven> the other option is pick up mythic power attack and take my damage from 1d8+15 to 1d8+21.
05:22:31 <Steven> sorry +18 to +21.
05:31:58 <Mekkis> yo
05:34:47 <Avatar> class feature abilities are almost always standard actions, not attack actions
05:35:20 <Avatar> in the context you're talking about at least
05:39:28 <s_gmusic> hey mekkis
05:44:27 <Steven> alright so day 3 City produces 9 labor, 9 goods, 7 influence 1 magic.
05:45:46 <Steven> which already covers the maximum influence/labor/goods i can spend in a given day.
06:15:09 <Steven> holy crap a smithy takes forever to build... 20 days to build a forge.
06:17:17 <Avatar> yep
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06:20:59 <Avatar> haha I liked melatonin
06:26:30 <Steven> ah... i can spend extra labor to decrease that. i like that.
06:26:45 <Steven> so 32 labor will complete a forge in 5 days.
06:27:05 <Steven> rather than the 8 labor completes it in 20 days.
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07:16:12 <Mekkis> Any feat suggestions for a level 5 master summoner?
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07:19:59 <Avatar> extra evolution
07:22:40 <Steven> yeah that one is pretty good.
07:26:35 <Steven> I think i have my spreadsheet about finished.
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07:35:30 <Mekkis> I updated Skype!
07:36:43 <Avatar> is that notable
07:39:43 <Mekkis> Given that a) Skype was bought out by Microsoft; and b) I'm using linux, Yes.
07:41:25 <s_gmusic> heh
08:08:53 <Brunius|M> Potentially can't do Saturday, will advise closer to the date
08:22:47 <Mekkis> hn
09:00:41 <Mekkis> What time would it start? If it's before 7:30, I wouldn't be able to make it on a Saturday
09:02:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, consider logging onto WoT
09:33:39 <Mekkis> "Hi, this is Gene. Neither Dave, Waldo, nor I can come to the phone
09:33:39 <Mekkis> right now. We're being detained by the authorities due to a
09:33:39 <Mekkis> misunderstanding about some underage sheep. If you'll leave your name,
09:33:39 <Mekkis> phone number, and the time of your call after the tone, we'll get back
09:33:39 <Mekkis> to you just as soon as we can post bail. Baaah-baaahh."
09:33:39 <Mekkis> "Hi, this is Gene. Dave, Waldo and I are currently on Neptune helping
09:33:41 <Mekkis> to thwart an invasion by the evil lizard men and their sinister
09:33:43 <Mekkis> companions, the brain moles. If you'll leave your name and number
09:33:45 <Mekkis> after the tone, we'll get back to you as soon as we return
09:33:47 <Mekkis> victorious....or as soon as the drugs wear off and reality reasserts
09:33:49 <Mekkis> itself."
09:49:43 <Mekkis> Wow
09:50:12 <Mekkis> Losses due to piracy in Britain will amount to a trillion pounds next year!
10:01:52 <Mekkis> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/mse-protect_updating/microsoft-security-essentials-reporting-false/0240ed8e-5a27-4843-a939-0279c8110e1c?tm=1400189799602
10:02:03 <Mekkis> hehehe
14:46:37 <Honeydorin> Does anyone know good places to play Pathfinder online? I'm new to the game and want to play with others online.
15:01:09 <txtsd> dammit why do people ask shit and don't wait for an answer?
15:01:25 <txtsd> We don't sit and stare at IRC 24/7 to answer questions.
16:23:46 <Avatar> yep
16:26:29 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lg7j?Year-of-the-Sky-Key
16:29:56 <s_gmusic> nice
16:59:11 <Avatar> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solyom-airways
16:59:17 <Avatar> who wants to crowdfund an airline
17:13:19 <Melatonin> hi
17:13:59 <Melatonin> Are the games IRC only?
17:14:09 <Melatonin> Or skype/voice as well?
17:23:51 <s_gmusic> a bit of both
17:24:04 <Melatonin> Is voice common/mandatory ?
17:24:06 <s_gmusic> people use skype to talk about things, and there's bots in here for rolling dice
17:24:26 <s_gmusic> it is heavily preferred to have skype
17:26:04 <s_gmusic> thought I mostly lurk, it may be good to wait for the main players to come around and talk
17:26:19 <Melatonin> I wiill wait a bit, then, thanks.
17:30:51 <Avatar> you need skype to hear most of the game happening
17:31:05 <Avatar> dice rolls are on IRC, not much more
17:36:31 <Avatar> how come nobody is accepting or declinining invites to mekkis' game
17:38:33 <Melatonin> Nnng
17:39:03 <Melatonin> I suppose that I will have to try skype with my -awesome- 128kbps connection and check if it is playable
17:40:08 <Avatar> you should be fine
17:40:10 <Avatar> it's audio only
17:40:19 <Avatar> nobody ever uses video
17:55:09 <Melatonin> I know, but those are 128 kilobits , not bytes.
17:58:01 <s_gmusic> 8 bits to a byte, so you have 16 Kilobytes/second. hell for downloads, but should be fine for audio.
18:01:24 <Melatonin> Works for online radio, will check later if skype is fine as well.
18:02:24 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: Sat 21st 10am || SS: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
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18:07:24 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, 8 bits to a byte, yes.
18:07:26 <Mekkis> But...
18:07:43 <Mekkis> how many kilobits to a kilobyte?
18:09:13 <Melatonin> 8 as well.
18:11:20 <Mekkis> incorrect
18:11:54 <Mekkis> 7.8125
18:14:03 <Melatonin> I can see that you are bad at math :| .
18:14:25 <Mekkis> I can see that you don't understand communications.
18:16:04 <Mekkis> So throwing 50k+1 at it
18:17:07 <Melatonin> One byte equals eight bits, therefore, a thousand and twenty four bytes will equal eight thousand one hundred and ninety two bits.
18:17:48 <Melatonin> You are free to admit that you are wrong, save face and look mature here :| .
18:18:10 * s_gmusic sits back with a sandwich.
18:18:17 <s_gmusic> Oh look, lunch and a show.
18:20:39 <s_gmusic> and I see the confusion after looking around
18:21:03 <Mekkis> Melatonin, One byte is eight bits, yes
18:21:15 <Mekkis> One kilobyte is 1024 bytes
18:21:22 <Mekkis> One kilobit is 1000 bits.
18:21:25 <Mekkis> Do the math.
18:21:37 <Melatonin> One kilobit is 1024 bits as well.
18:22:04 <Mekkis> you'll need to reference a source for htat
18:22:52 <Mekkis> http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html
18:23:12 <Mekkis> Because the SI prefixes strictly represent powers of 10, they should not be used to represent powers of 2. Thus, one kilobit, or 1 kbit, is 1000 bit and not 2^10 bit = 1024 bit.
18:23:28 <s_gmusic> for data STORAGE 8 bits = 1 byte, 1024 bytes = 1 kilobyte, on up.
18:23:47 <s_gmusic> for data TRANSFER, it's different.
18:24:16 <Mekkis> strictly speaking, a byte isn't standardised at 8 bits either.
18:24:45 <s_gmusic> since transfer is rated in how fast it can move BITs, 1 kilobit is 1000 bits, 1 megabit is 1 million bits, etc.
18:25:17 <Mekkis> (there's the term 'octet' for that)
18:25:20 <Melatonin> If you are going to assume that a kilobyte is 1024 bytes, you will be assuming that a kilobit is 1024 bits as well. You are not going to use decimal values for one and binary for the other in the same sentence.
18:25:47 <Mekkis> Melatonin, I'm not making any assumptions
18:26:59 <s_gmusic> my source: http://www.speedguide.net/articles/bits-bytes-and-bandwidth-reference-guide-115
18:28:11 <Melatonin> Mekkis, you are assuming that, for the same purpose, a kilobyte can be 1024 and a kilobit 1000.
18:28:40 <Melatonin> If we are talking about transfer, yes, a kilobit will be 1000, but so will be a kilobyte.
18:28:45 <Melatonin> So the ratio of one for eight will remain.
18:29:30 <Melatonin> If we are talking about RAM, a kilobyte will be 1024, of course, but a kilobit will be 1024 as well.
18:37:26 <Avatar> if I run heresy of man this weekend, it'll be a saturday game, not a friday game
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18:54:17 <Mekkis> !spell phase door
18:54:29 <diebot> Mekkis, PHASE DOOR conjuration (creation[]) sorcerer/wizard 7, witch 7 1 standard action Range: touch Comp: V Duration: one usage per two levels Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
18:54:29 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/phase_door.html
19:13:39 <Steven> yo
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19:34:02 <s_gmusic> hey steven
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22:16:26 <Ulzef1> which part?
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