// #d&d — 2014-06-20
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01:42:04 <Meowkittytaco> hi
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01:50:24 <Meowkittytaco> yo
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03:27:36 <mib_q5jwck> hello
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07:35:04 <Avatar> Mekkis maybe some of them got new jobs
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17:01:16 <Avatar> yo
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17:01:41 <s_gmusic> that's some power there, avatar.
17:01:57 <Avatar> sorry what?
17:02:31 <Avatar> explain !
17:03:23 <s_gmusic> I dc'd at 2:00 and as soon as I reconnect, you say "yo"
17:03:54 <Avatar> yes I anticipated your coming back
17:04:23 <Avatar> not gonna lie, it's a lot of fun being able to anticipate in advance
17:21:40 <s_gmusic> .... I only started reading oglaf a few hours ago. did not expect to be caught up this quickly.
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17:40:12 <Steven> hola.
17:41:49 <Avatar> yo
17:46:25 <s_gmusic> herro
17:47:43 <Steven> how goes it.
17:48:16 <Steven> so i dunno who wrote the alternate creatures for wrath of the righteous
17:48:29 <Steven> but they are pretty much an asshole.
17:49:30 <s_gmusic> oh? :)
17:49:41 <Steven> im actually going to have to start optimizing
17:51:49 * Avatar adds wrath of the righteous to "games never to play"
17:52:03 <Steven> regular wrath of the righteous wouldnt be bad.
17:52:41 <Avatar> only takes one outrageous encounter
17:52:50 <s_gmusic> Wrath of the Righteous is made to be used with Mythic rules, avatar, but there's a sidebar about using Hero Points instead. still a bit of power, but nothing crazy that Mythic brings in.
17:53:46 <Steven> but someone decided their group wasnt challenged enough and came up with 'improved' mythic encounters.
17:54:04 <s_gmusic> wut
17:54:23 <Steven> i can understand that... if you have a group of 4 people who optimized.
17:55:04 <Steven> but out of our group, only 1 person does 100 damage every round he full attacks against CR appropriate AC
17:55:19 <s_gmusic> I don't have anyone that really min-maxed, but all the challenge they need is from inflating a few numbers and occaisionally fudging a die roll.
17:55:56 <Steven> yeah we are dipping our toes into places in the worldwound
17:56:19 <Steven> came across a 6 legged dragon
17:56:57 <Steven> and everytime we struck it in combat it sprayed dragon blood back on us for 5d8 damage that bypassed 10 acid resist.
17:58:02 <Steven> which the dragon blood is a mythic ability a dragon can have.
17:58:29 <Steven> but it caps at 2d8.
17:58:54 <Steven> for a colossal sized dragon.
17:59:15 <Steven> and there is nothing that allows it to bypass resistances.
18:03:59 <Steven> the room we fought it in as soon as we all entered targeted us with a greater dispel magic.
18:04:10 <Steven> so got rid of our buffs
18:04:34 <Steven> and every round there was a fort save as the room was basically pure chaos
18:04:48 <Steven> polymorphed two people
18:17:54 <Steven> anyways... that fight wasnt horrible really.
18:22:14 <Steven> the fight that was actually bad was the fight where a mythic vrock that was given more mythic abilities AND everytime we killed one of the two regular vrocks
18:22:19 <Steven> another would jump into the fight.
18:22:42 <s_gmusic> o-o
18:23:35 <Steven> yeah... and our archer was dumb as fuck.
18:23:40 <Steven> opened up full attacking.
18:23:49 <Steven> on the minion not the big bad.
18:24:06 <Steven> so he killed it, they were like well we know he does a fuck ton of damage
18:24:22 <Steven> new vrock jumps in right above him... other regular vrock charges me
18:24:41 <Steven> mythic vrock fleet warrior over to ranger
18:25:09 <Steven> fleet warrior is you can move up to your speed before or after a full attack.
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18:26:31 <Steven> so.... like 6 attacks on him... dead.
18:28:36 <Steven> 3 people died during that fight
18:28:59 <Steven> killed 4 regular vrocks
18:33:23 <Steven> so mythic vrock is normally CR11/MT4
18:33:29 <Steven> regular vrocks are CR9
18:35:01 <Steven> and it was shown post fight it was CR18 i think.
18:35:19 <Steven> vs 4 level 10/MT3 PCs
18:35:47 <s_gmusic> this is book 3, right?
18:36:18 <Steven> yeah
18:37:04 <Steven> really it goes from laughable fights to oh my god two people have died.
18:37:08 <s_gmusic> ah. haven't got my guys there yet. haven't been doing too well, so we've had to cancel our last couple games.
18:42:51 <Steven> it really is pretty stupid the difficulty jumps.
18:48:50 <Steven> if you wanna see the 'updated' monsters
18:48:51 <Steven> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4XaF66siOnpeG1NR3RKamdxcDA/edit
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18:51:13 <s_gmusic> wow....
18:52:01 <Steven> dont tell me anything about any of them.
18:52:08 <Steven> i dont want to know
18:52:36 <s_gmusic> they gave Staunton a mount?!
18:52:54 <Steven> okay let me rephrase, dont tell me anything about any of them in the 3rd book.
18:53:01 <Steven> yeah, it was pretty sexy.
18:53:02 <s_gmusic> heh
18:53:41 <Steven> he killed my character in 1 round from full hp to -40, then he did amazing initiative took a standard and killed my character to truedead.
18:54:58 <Steven> granted.... my character doesnt fall unconscious
18:55:27 <Steven> he is either is standing, or true dead
18:56:00 <s_gmusic> nice
18:56:19 <Steven> yeah, i didnt want to optimize him other then making him hard to get killed.
18:57:01 <Steven> so far, every mythic fight, he has died and had to use tenacious survivor.
18:57:57 <Steven> that was at level 5.
18:58:19 <Steven> and so i've started to optimize to keep up.
18:59:48 <Steven> so, now when i crit i do 3d8+102
19:00:12 <Steven> and crit on a 17-20.
19:00:29 <s_gmusic> lol
19:01:49 <Steven> and if it is a demon i spend a swift to get x4 crit
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19:04:50 <Steven> 4d8+136
19:05:16 <s_gmusic> aw... that's not much. /sarcasm
19:06:10 <Steven> yeah, but i didnt want to do it at all, i dont want to optimize.
19:06:27 <Steven> but you're looking at the file right now i assume, so you know how nasty it gets.
19:06:40 <Steven> i cant afford to not optimize.
19:08:57 <s_gmusic> yeah... you really should
19:09:39 <Steven> yup... didnt want to do it, i wanted to get some teamwork feats through marshal abilities
19:10:04 <Steven> now i retrained to mythic power attack instead of dual path.
19:11:43 <Steven> and i'll just become a damage powerhouse instead of my original character concept.
19:12:09 <s_gmusic> no way to up your damage, but keep the concept?
19:12:22 <Steven> no, not really.
19:12:34 <Steven> if it was pfs where we were paid a certain amount i could do that.
19:12:36 <s_gmusic> :(
19:13:12 <Steven> because i'd just adjust his gear path.
19:14:16 <Steven> but we have no gear path in wrath, we have to make it or find it really.
19:17:18 <Steven> bloodragers have such a horrible horrible spell list i'd never be able to make anything of consequence.
19:25:41 <Mekkis> moin
19:25:48 <Steven> yo
19:28:22 <Mekkis> Isn't it better to not optimise, to encourage the GM to not use those unbalanced monsters?
19:42:23 <Mekkis> Found a nice jumptable!
19:46:24 <Steven> usually yes, but we have a person who at level 5 was doing 100 damage
19:46:33 <Steven> per round.
19:46:52 <Steven> at level 10 they do 150 per round and dont miss except on a nat 1
19:48:18 <Steven> so difficulty has been brought up to that level, now the rest of us can either be miserable in fights where it is basically lets watch as the archer kills monsters and we are linebackers and buffers for the archer.
19:48:36 <Steven> or we can do some optimization and participate in combat.
19:49:09 <Steven> the archer has a +17 or 18 initiative, and starts combat with 150 damage on something while rolling no critical hits.
19:49:38 <Steven> that isnt going away.
19:49:45 <Steven> its only going to get more powerful.
20:03:54 <Steven> i only do a goodly amount of damage when i crit, other than that im gonna try not to up my damage much more than that.
20:09:16 <Mekkis> I got my bow up to a 1-20/x5.2 crit range
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20:40:33 <Mekkis> why not talk to that person?
22:12:18 <Mekkis> Anyone here have experience with LUA?
22:54:22 <Mekkis> !spell pilfering hand
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23:33:58 <Mekkis> !spell pilfering hand
23:34:02 <diebot> Mekkis, PILFERING HAND evocation ([force]) bard 2, cleric 2, magus 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one object Comp: S Duration: see text Save: none SR:yes (object)Source: Ultimate Combat
23:34:02 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/pilfering_hand.html
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