// #d&d — 2014-06-17
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06:20:02 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lg7j?Year-of-the-Sky-Key
06:23:28 <s_gmusic> nice
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07:06:51 <Melatonin> hi
07:07:31 <Melatonin> Are the games IRC only?
07:07:41 <Melatonin> Or skype/voice as well?
07:17:23 <s_gmusic> a bit of both
07:17:37 <Melatonin> Is voice common/mandatory ?
07:17:38 <s_gmusic> people use skype to talk about things, and there's bots in here for rolling dice
07:17:58 <s_gmusic> it is heavily preferred to have skype
07:19:37 <s_gmusic> thought I mostly lurk, it may be good to wait for the main players to come around and talk
07:19:51 <Melatonin> I wiill wait a bit, then, thanks.
07:24:23 <Avatar> you need skype to hear most of the game happening
07:24:37 <Avatar> dice rolls are on IRC, not much more
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07:30:04 <Avatar> how come nobody is accepting or declinining invites to mekkis' game
07:32:05 <Melatonin> Nnng
07:32:36 <Melatonin> I suppose that I will have to try skype with my -awesome- 128kbps connection and check if it is playable
07:33:41 <Avatar> you should be fine
07:33:43 <Avatar> it's audio only
07:33:52 <Avatar> nobody ever uses video
07:48:42 <Melatonin> I know, but those are 128 kilobits , not bytes.
07:51:34 <s_gmusic> 8 bits to a byte, so you have 16 Kilobytes/second. hell for downloads, but should be fine for audio.
07:54:56 <Melatonin> Works for online radio, will check later if skype is fine as well.
08:00:55 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, 8 bits to a byte, yes.
08:00:58 <Mekkis> But...
08:01:15 <Mekkis> how many kilobits to a kilobyte?
08:02:45 <Melatonin> 8 as well.
08:04:52 <Mekkis> incorrect
08:05:26 <Mekkis> 7.8125
08:07:36 <Melatonin> I can see that you are bad at math :| .
08:07:58 <Mekkis> I can see that you don't understand communications.
08:10:39 <Melatonin> One byte equals eight bits, therefore, a thousand and twenty four bytes will equal eight thousand one hundred and ninety two bits.
08:11:20 <Melatonin> You are free to admit that you are wrong, save face and look mature here :| .
08:11:43 * s_gmusic sits back with a sandwich.
08:11:50 <s_gmusic> Oh look, lunch and a show.
08:14:11 <s_gmusic> and I see the confusion after looking around
08:14:35 <Mekkis> Melatonin, One byte is eight bits, yes
08:14:48 <Mekkis> One kilobyte is 1024 bytes
08:14:54 <Mekkis> One kilobit is 1000 bits.
08:14:58 <Mekkis> Do the math.
08:15:10 <Melatonin> One kilobit is 1024 bits as well.
08:15:36 <Mekkis> you'll need to reference a source for htat
08:16:25 <Mekkis> http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html
08:16:44 <Mekkis> Because the SI prefixes strictly represent powers of 10, they should not be used to represent powers of 2. Thus, one kilobit, or 1 kbit, is 1000 bit and not 2^10 bit = 1024 bit.
08:17:00 <s_gmusic> for data STORAGE 8 bits = 1 byte, 1024 bytes = 1 kilobyte, on up.
08:17:20 <s_gmusic> for data TRANSFER, it's different.
08:17:49 <Mekkis> strictly speaking, a byte isn't standardised at 8 bits either.
08:18:18 <s_gmusic> since transfer is rated in how fast it can move BITs, 1 kilobit is 1000 bits, 1 megabit is 1 million bits, etc.
08:18:49 <Mekkis> (there's the term 'octet' for that)
08:18:53 <Melatonin> If you are going to assume that a kilobyte is 1024 bytes, you will be assuming that a kilobit is 1024 bits as well. You are not going to use decimal values for one and binary for the other in the same sentence.
08:19:19 <Mekkis> Melatonin, I'm not making any assumptions
08:20:31 <s_gmusic> my source: http://www.speedguide.net/articles/bits-bytes-and-bandwidth-reference-guide-115
08:21:44 <Melatonin> Mekkis, you are assuming that, for the same purpose, a kilobyte can be 1024 and a kilobit 1000.
08:22:13 <Melatonin> If we are talking about transfer, yes, a kilobit will be 1000, but so will be a kilobyte.
08:22:17 <Melatonin> So the ratio of one for eight will remain.
08:23:03 <Melatonin> If we are talking about RAM, a kilobyte will be 1024, of course, but a kilobit will be 1024 as well.
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09:07:12 <Steven> yo
09:27:34 <s_gmusic> hey steven
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17:10:37 <Steven> alright, what you all up to?
17:11:37 <s_gmusic> bitching about my other computer
17:12:26 <Steven> keep at it, im sure that will upgrade it!!
17:13:28 <s_gmusic> eh, close to "if I get more hot-headed, that should cool it off"
17:13:53 <Steven> iunno
17:14:16 <Steven> im currently tinkering with a build order for wrath.
17:15:13 <Steven> we finally got to 9th level w/ 3 mythic tiers.
17:15:27 <Steven> It was some crazy ass fight.
17:15:58 <s_gmusic> heh.
17:16:30 <Steven> Yeah, but we succeeded, and now that place is ours!
17:16:39 <Steven> so now gotta do some construction.
17:16:42 <Steven> cause I dont heal!
17:17:34 <s_gmusic> my guys are there, too. gotta start them on the reconstruction stuff this week.
17:17:52 <Steven> Thinking of taking Leadership and the Crusader Path Ability from champion.
17:18:03 <Steven> I'd have around 140 followers.
17:18:32 <Steven> which i could just say hey they are all Craftsmen... go build some buildings bitches!
17:18:55 <Steven> seemed cheesy though.
17:20:10 <Steven> my character is General Turok the Undying
17:20:44 <Steven> when we went into the fight for that item, my character had 5 negative levels.
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17:21:57 <s_gmusic> geez
17:23:22 <Steven> yup... but now we have some time to remove them.
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17:25:26 <Steven> I think it is pretty annoying that Ultimate campaign lists build times for rooms
17:26:02 <Steven> and then lists the sum of what is needed to build a building
17:26:14 <Steven> after adding up all the rooms required to build the building
17:26:33 <Steven> but does not list the sum of the time it takes to make the building.
17:27:36 <Steven> so now i'm like okay i know this building will take 44 goods, 3 influence, 37 labor, 1 magic.
17:27:49 <Steven> but no fucking clue on how long the build time is without adding up all the rooms myself.
17:27:57 <Steven> seems like they could have done that fairly easily.
17:28:26 <Steven> suppose its the longest build time of any one component piece.
17:28:27 <s_gmusic> oversight, perhaps?
17:28:44 <Steven> plus a % of total.
17:29:03 <Steven> pretty glaring oversight in my humble opinion.
17:31:11 <Steven> Time to make a big fat spreadsheet.
17:31:30 <s_gmusic> and share it for all?
17:31:40 <s_gmusic> :)
17:35:27 <Steven> no, this will be very specific to my group.
17:36:11 <s_gmusic> oh. thought you were doing one for the building stuff
17:36:33 <Steven> I am, but it will be very specialized towards our needs.
17:37:07 <Steven> and it will be linked to our other spreadsheets for loot found and gold purchases.
17:37:18 <Steven> so i would not want to open that up to others.
17:40:04 <s_gmusic> fair enough
18:06:40 <Steven> started it.
18:07:39 <Steven> gonna leave out units that only produce Gold.
18:08:06 <Steven> since we can calculate that on the fly
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19:25:29 <Mekkis> yo
19:33:00 <s_gmusic> hey mekkis
19:37:58 <Steven> alright so day 3 City produces 9 labor, 9 goods, 7 influence 1 magic.
19:39:18 <Steven> which already covers the maximum influence/labor/goods i can spend in a given day.
20:08:40 <Steven> holy crap a smithy takes forever to build... 20 days to build a forge.
20:14:31 <Avatar> haha I liked melatonin
20:20:02 <Steven> ah... i can spend extra labor to decrease that. i like that.
20:20:17 <Steven> so 32 labor will complete a forge in 5 days.
20:20:37 <Steven> rather than the 8 labor completes it in 20 days.
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21:09:43 <Mekkis> Any feat suggestions for a level 5 master summoner?
21:13:31 <Avatar> extra evolution
21:16:11 <Steven> yeah that one is pretty good.
21:20:06 <Steven> I think i have my spreadsheet about finished.
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22:16:18 <Mekkis> hn
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