// #d&d — 2014-06-11
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00:07:36 <Ulzef1> only the stuff you nalready have
00:09:37 <s_gmusic|Work> that's what I thought. It didn't make sense to pay for replacing Diamond Body and Perfect Self when I don't have them at all.
00:58:30 <diebot> Ulzef, 1d20+8: [1d20=1] 9
00:59:08 <Ulzef> !throw 1d20
00:59:09 <diebot> Ulzef, 1d20: [1d20=19] 19
00:59:17 <Mekkis> !throw 2d6
00:59:18 <diebot> Mekkis, 2d6: [2d6=2,5] 7
00:59:29 <Mekkis> !throw 7#1d10
00:59:30 <diebot> Mekkis, 7#1d10: [1d10=10] 10, [1d10=7] 7, [1d10=4] 4, [1d10=10] 10, [1d10=10] 10, [1d10=1] 1, [1d10=7] 7
01:02:28 <Raine> !throw 1d20+17 nature
01:02:28 <diebot> Raine, nature: [1d20=5] 22
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01:12:39 <Mekkis> Silver dragon seen over Farholde. Uncertain of where-
01:12:40 <Mekkis> abouts. Be ready. He may be on his way to the Horn.
01:12:40 <Mekkis> -- Z
01:17:32 <Mekkis> 8266xp
01:18:43 <Mekkis> Avatar, please schedule WotW for Saturday 21th, 1000 AEST
01:19:03 <Raine> net dc'd
01:19:08 <Raine> back now sorry
01:19:29 <Mekkis> Raine, you can make Sat 21st at 10am, right?
01:19:46 <Raine> yup
01:20:11 <DarkKapow> !throw 2#4d6+7
01:20:11 <diebot> DarkKapow, 2#4d6+7: [4d6=6,2,3,4] 22, [4d6=4,6,3,1] 21
01:20:20 <DarkKapow> 86 damage then i'm dead XP
01:20:34 <Mekkis> !fullattack dragon: ancient silver dragon
01:20:36 <diebot> Mekkis, I don't know the monster you speak of.
01:20:52 <DarkKapow> there isn't even a need to roll mekkis
01:20:57 <DarkKapow> it's just raine is dead
01:21:05 <DarkKapow> !throw 2d20
01:21:06 <diebot> DarkKapow, 2d20: [2d20=11,4] 15
01:23:41 <Steven> alright back from visiting my dad in the hospital and my friends afterwards.
01:23:53 <Steven> so retraining eh?
01:24:16 <s_gmusic|Work> thinking hard on it.
01:24:34 <Steven> so why do you want/need to retrain?
01:27:58 <s_gmusic|Work> sticking as a straight Martial Artist is frustrating me consistently, so was going to retrain it into a normal Monk.
01:28:16 <Steven> what is frustrating about it?
01:32:40 <Ulzef> oh how much xp was it
01:32:54 <Ulzef> jumped of skype cause someone was yelling in the back ground
01:33:16 <s_gmusic|Work> noticing that has I play higher up, it's not as effective in games.
01:33:58 <s_gmusic|Work> I'm getting stuck on it.
01:34:53 <Brunius> <Mekkis> 8266xp
01:37:19 <Steven> how is it not as effective?
01:39:43 <s_gmusic|Work> melee feels severely lacking and I'm not as versatile as I feel I should be.
01:40:52 <s_gmusic|Work> that could just be a failing I'm noticing with Monks in general. my previous characters were a Gunslinger, fighter, magus, and Zen Archer.
01:52:14 <Steven> what would increase your versatility without changing your class?
01:56:46 <s_gmusic|Work> Ki Pool
02:32:01 <txtsd> I'm so mad at my fucking ISP right now.
02:32:14 <txtsd> I called and yelled at them for like 20 minutes
02:32:19 <txtsd> goddamn neanderthals
02:38:56 <Steven> sorry, neighbor came over
02:39:07 <Steven> and shes sexy so i wasnt gonna tell her to leave lol.
02:40:23 <Brunius> typically when dealing with people that control things I like (like my internet) I don't yell at them
02:40:34 <Brunius> also, people are usually more inclined to help you if you don't yell at them
02:45:28 <Avatar> feeling like you're ineffective, especially continually, is the best reason to retrain
02:45:39 <Avatar> trying to continue with an ineffective character is soul crushing
02:50:12 <txtsd> I'd be nice if they provided me with at least usable Internet
02:50:25 <txtsd> It fucking goes down exactly when I need it the most
02:50:27 <txtsd> every time
02:50:34 <txtsd> and it just stays down, for hours
02:57:31 <Steven> well there are certain ways you can get out of the 'im ineffective' hole.
02:57:49 <Steven> without retraining.
02:59:02 <Steven> personally i dont think a ki pool is going to help. It is a swift action for 1 more attack during a flurry, +4 dodge bonus to AC, or +20ft move speed for a round.
03:00:04 <Steven> that isnt utility that is barkskin and a haste cast on them.
03:08:58 <Steven> yo
03:52:56 <Avatar> what's that guy's name who used to play as gogg
03:53:10 <Avatar> go prone/total defense
03:54:04 <Avatar> jaggedsoul
03:54:11 <Avatar> he is sending me game invites on facebook
03:54:21 <Avatar> that is a great way to highlight to me that I should probably unfriend you
03:55:16 <Steven> and punch him in the taint.
03:55:24 <Avatar> I'm not a violent person
03:55:36 <Steven> punch him in the digital taint.
03:55:41 <Avatar> hostile to facebook game invites, but not violent
03:57:26 <Steven> so i been playing in the Wrath of the righteous AP.
03:57:31 <Steven> ridiculously fun.
03:57:51 <Avatar> class?
03:58:00 <Steven> Celestial Blood Rager
03:58:13 <Avatar> is that one of the hybrid classes
03:58:17 <Steven> Yeah
03:58:27 <Steven> Barbarian/Sorcerer
03:58:30 <Avatar> the hybrid classes scare me
03:58:45 <Avatar> I am too paranoid paizo are fucking it up
03:58:57 <Avatar> need to see the released ACG asap to confirm
03:59:10 <Steven> spell list is lackluster, but my attacks while raging count as good, i have acid cold resist 5
03:59:34 <Avatar> I could never play a barbarian
03:59:36 <Steven> and my attacks deal an extra 1d6 holy damage that stacks with a holy weapon.
03:59:40 <Avatar> rage is such a weird mechanic
03:59:57 <Avatar> holy damage that stacks with a holy weapon? wttffff
04:00:10 <Avatar> there is no precedent for that
04:00:24 <Steven> its pretty sweet.
04:01:14 <Steven> and overall its not super powerful, its an extra 1d6 damage.
04:01:39 <Steven> what is dumb is that at level 8 i get a fly speed.
04:02:51 <Steven> Wings of Heaven (Su): At 8th level, you can choose to sprout feathery wings and f ly with a speed of 60 feet and good maneuverability. At 20th level, your f ly speed increases to 80 feet
04:03:08 <Steven> and at 12th
04:03:09 <Steven> Angelic Protection (Su): At 12th level, you gain a +4 defection bonus to AC and a +4 resistance bonus to on saving throws against attacks made or effects created by evil creatures, and you are effected as if subject to a protection from evilspell. This effect cannot be dispelled
04:03:17 <Steven> Celestial pretty awesome.
04:04:51 <s_gmusic> nice
04:04:52 <Avatar> what is celestial
04:05:03 <Steven> imo power level wise probably goes Arcane>Abyssal>Celestial
04:05:12 <Steven> the bloodrager bloodlines.
04:05:22 <Avatar> oh right it's barb/sorc
04:05:34 <Steven> arcane gets you the ability to auto haste whenever you are raging.
04:05:45 <Steven> abyssal is auto enlarge whenever you haste.
04:06:19 <Steven> and celestial is fly speed negating the need to ever have a potion/spell of fly.
04:07:37 <Steven> and of course the basically free ring of prot +4
04:08:06 <Steven> i cant wait till the hardback comes out.
04:08:16 <Steven> so i can see how they updated the spell list.
04:08:51 <Steven> because according to the spell list now haste is both a 3rd and 4th level spell.
04:09:20 <Steven> they have no cantrips which means no detecting magic.
04:09:20 <s_gmusic> the hardback will be nice, but I'm curious about this: http://paizo.com/products/btpy965z?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Advanced-Class-Origins
04:09:29 <s_gmusic> not even as a 1st level spell?
04:09:49 <Steven> nope
04:09:53 <s_gmusic> wow
04:10:20 <Steven> my bloodrager is completely incapable of identifying magical items.
04:10:53 <Avatar> there's a wayfinder that gives you detect magic isn't there
04:11:04 <Steven> probably.
04:11:10 <Avatar> my alchemist can't detect magic and I hate it
04:11:28 <Steven> but sadly where we are in the campaign i dont have access to such an item.
04:11:30 <Avatar> I thought it would be fine but every game you need to detect things and you just can't
04:11:52 <Avatar> there's something else which I think lets you use detect magic and another cantrip on the one item
04:11:56 <Avatar> 2200gp if I recall
04:12:08 <Steven> my alchemist carries around a wand of Detect magic.
04:12:38 <s_gmusic> how far in to wrath are you, steven?
04:12:54 <Steven> lets me try to identify 3 items
04:13:03 <Steven> and i only use it after everyone else has given theirs a shot.
04:22:03 <Avatar> I'm not paying for no cantrip wand
04:22:17 <Brunius> !roll 1d2
04:22:20 <Brunius> !throw 1d2
04:22:21 <diebot> Brunius, 1d2: [1d2=1] 1
04:23:08 <Steven> better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.
04:24:27 <Avatar> I will get the 2200gp or the wayfinder
04:54:47 <Mekkis> moin
04:55:04 <Brunius> moin
04:56:25 <s_gmusic> yo
04:57:24 <Mekkis> avatar, you gonna run some pfs?
04:57:49 <Mekkis> What about King Xeros of Old Azlant...
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05:00:21 <Steven> Well it happened.
05:00:26 <Steven> I am now a 5 star GM.
05:28:14 <s_gmusic> you know you're tired when... the straight-then-blurry lines on the mini you've spend the last 4 hours painting are straight again.
05:29:13 <Steven> I'm tinkering with a recipe.
05:31:28 <s_gmusic> foods are good.
05:31:54 <Steven> italian sausage and red potato
05:32:22 <Steven> caramelized onion with a little bacon
05:33:00 <Steven> with kale and mushroom
05:33:13 <Steven> in a light creme sauce.
05:34:08 <s_gmusic> that moment when: someone's talking about food and you're hungry. #fatguyproblems
05:34:21 <Steven> but that is my recipe so far.
05:34:48 <Steven> i'm thinkin smoked paprika in the sauce.
05:35:25 <Steven> just a dash
05:36:02 <Brunius> isn't paprika some chick in a james bond movie
05:36:21 <Steven> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paprika
05:42:10 <Steven> yeah, i think that will do.
05:44:07 <Mekkis> Egg yolk, cream baileys vanilla, cinnamon...
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06:16:48 <Brunius> `op
06:22:12 <Brunius> ulzef, loaded dice alliance?
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06:32:01 <Avatar> time to move to a new isp?
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06:50:01 <Mekkis> 5] Even assuming the maximum human movement, we are still talking
06:50:01 <Mekkis> a normal movement rate of 12 feet a minute here. This is not
06:50:01 <Mekkis> only when "Mapping the Dungeon" but also in combat situations.
06:50:01 <Mekkis> Please explain to me why an unengaged fighter, moving across
06:50:01 <Mekkis> the floor of a room trying to move up and hit a foe, moves more
06:50:02 <Mekkis> slowly than a good tape recorder? If you disregard the rule,
06:50:03 <Mekkis> on the other hand, you end up with the ability of attacking
06:50:05 <Mekkis> from behind in every round you mele -- also not workable.
06:50:34 <s_gmusic> huh?
06:51:35 <Brunius> I think I remember that from somewhere
06:51:46 <Brunius> idk where though
06:54:33 <Steven> well pretty boring so far. wish i could sleep but i have way to much energy
06:56:53 <Avatar> nobody's moving 12 feet/minute?
06:57:06 <Avatar> is this just a nonsense quote to create discussion
06:58:02 <Brunius> pretty sure it's not
06:58:10 <Avatar> explain
06:58:12 <Brunius> not nonsense, at least
06:58:42 <Avatar> so, nonsense
06:58:44 <Avatar> QED
06:59:51 <s_gmusic> it seems odd to me.
07:14:25 <Avatar> mekkis posts nonsense quotes taken out of context every now and again
07:33:38 <s_gmusic> HAHAHAHAHA http://i.imgur.com/2Gq4ycz.png
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07:36:48 <Mekkis> Avatar, that's the speed that you would typically move in AD&D
07:37:20 <Mekkis> 30 years ago, that was used
07:45:15 <andrey> !spell mage armor
07:45:29 <andrey> um
07:45:29 <diebot> andrey, MAGE ARMOR conjuration (creation[force]) sorcerer/wizard 1, summoner 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, F (a piece of cured leather) Duration: 1 hour/level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
07:45:29 <diebot> An invisible but tangible field of force surrounds the subject of a mage armor spell, providing a +4 armor bonus to AC. Unlike mundane armor, mage armor entails no armor check penalty, arcane spell failure chance, or speed reduction. Since mage armor is made of force, incorporeal creatures can't bypass it the way they do normal armor.
07:45:40 <andrey> !spell shield
07:45:41 <diebot> andrey, SHIELD abjuration ([force]) sorcerer/wizard 1, alchemist 1, summoner 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: 1 min./level Save: SR:Source: PFRPG Core
07:45:41 <diebot> Shield creates an invisible shield of force that hovers in front of you. It negates magic missile attacks directed at you. The disk also provides a +4 shield bonus to AC. This bonus applies against incorporeal touch attacks, since it is a force effect. The shield has no armor check penalty or arcane spell failure chance.
07:47:11 <Setna> hi
07:52:42 <Setna> hello
09:31:16 <Mekkis> http://www.scribd.com/doc/228871116/Response-to-Demand-Letter
15:06:36 <Steven> Well it happened.
15:06:42 <Steven> I am now a 5 star GM.
16:23:22 <txtsd> There's only 1 ISP here T_T
17:12:53 <Avatar> where are you located
17:51:31 <andrey> !spell mage armor
17:51:45 <andrey> um
17:51:45 <diebot> andrey, MAGE ARMOR conjuration (creation[force]) sorcerer/wizard 1, summoner 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, F (a piece of cured leather) Duration: 1 hour/level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
17:51:45 <diebot> An invisible but tangible field of force surrounds the subject of a mage armor spell, providing a +4 armor bonus to AC. Unlike mundane armor, mage armor entails no armor check penalty, arcane spell failure chance, or speed reduction. Since mage armor is made of force, incorporeal creatures can't bypass it the way they do normal armor.
17:51:56 <andrey> !spell shield
17:51:57 <diebot> andrey, SHIELD abjuration ([force]) sorcerer/wizard 1, alchemist 1, summoner 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: 1 min./level Save: SR:Source: PFRPG Core
17:51:57 <diebot> Shield creates an invisible shield of force that hovers in front of you. It negates magic missile attacks directed at you. The disk also provides a +4 shield bonus to AC. This bonus applies against incorporeal touch attacks, since it is a force effect. The shield has no armor check penalty or arcane spell failure chance.
19:22:27 <txtsd> India
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23:39:48 <Andros414> got a retraining question, everyone.
23:39:52 <Andros414> oh...
23:40:21 <s_gmusic|Work> better.
23:41:37 <s_gmusic|Work> so: If an archetype replaces multiple things at the same level and you want to retrain from that archetype to the base of the class, do you only pay the prestige for the abilities already replaced or for everything it replaces.
23:43:35 <s_gmusic|Work> really starting to dislike my Martial Artist Monk and want to take it down to a basic Monk. it's currently level 6, so only a couple things have been replaced.
23:56:14 <s_gmusic|Work> the concern is the Martial Artist ability "Extreme Endurance." it replaces Purity of Body (Monk 4), Diamond Body (Monk 11), and Perfect Self (Monk 20).
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23:57:12 <s_gmusic|Work> sorry, Purity of Body and Extreme Endurance are both level 5.
23:58:32 <Mekkis> Ballig, are you alive. You're slightly less attentive than usual :S
23:59:14 <s_gmusic|Work> I'm thinking that since I'm only level 6, just 4 abilities have been replaced (still mind, ki pool, slow fall, and Purity of Body), which is 20 Prestige to Retrain out of. otherwise, I'd have to pay the prestige for things being replaced I don't even have yet (Diamond Body and Perfect Self)
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