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00:00:49 <mib_4yi8fu> Well I could slow down gaining dominate at level 11 for more feats...
00:04:42 <mib_4yi8fu> 6, then 8, and next bonus at 11, so yeah... then 14, leaving one last bonus feat at 19. What to take for those two feats, or I can just wait till 19 to go that route
00:07:38 <mib_4yi8fu> 1 3 6 7 8 11 13 14 but honestly, Arane trickster might be better then dragon disciple here...
00:07:59 <Steven> what the hell are you talkin about bro?
00:08:09 <mib_4yi8fu> 9 tailed kitsune
00:09:07 <mib_4yi8fu> The fastest one can gain 9 tailed kitsune is level 8, but that means I get no other feats till then
00:10:18 <Steven> you are unable to select racial feats as bonus feats for fighter levels.
00:10:33 <mib_4yi8fu> I can if I pick nine tailed inheritor
00:11:12 <Steven> im going to guess that is 3rd party?
00:11:25 <mib_4yi8fu> True, and I did ask first for it
00:12:44 <Steven> okay i didnt even know this thing existed. interesting.
00:13:15 <mib_4yi8fu> Which means you can abuse it to gain access to dominate person at level 8
00:14:54 <mib_4yi8fu> But honestly, it just makes more sense to wait for level 15 to go 9 tails
00:17:59 <mib_4yi8fu> I wonder if there is a feat that gives me access to mage hand
00:23:53 <mib_4yi8fu> Ther is also the grey arguement of the bloodrager dragon disciple
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01:11:52 <Zedorland> Hey avatar
01:12:06 <Zedorland> jsut checking in before sleep
01:12:13 <Zedorland> does tomorrows game look like a go?
01:12:17 <Steven> sorry mib i went to the store.
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01:23:27 <mib_f1h9pi> derp
01:23:40 <mib_f1h9pi> I was wondering about uncanny dodge from Shadowdancer
01:23:53 <Steven> what bout it.
01:24:12 <mib_f1h9pi> Just going by shadowdancer levels, it seems rather low when you reach improved uncanny dodge
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01:25:49 <mib_f1h9pi> Though with this plan, I get uncanny dodge at level 3, but I don't get improved uncanny till 16
01:26:16 <Steven> well regular rogues get imp at 8th?
01:26:29 <mib_f1h9pi> Cept I am going slayer
01:26:59 <mib_f1h9pi> If my slayer levels count for uncanny dodge, its a different matter
01:27:37 <Steven> i dont believe any archetype of slayer gets uncanny dodge.
01:28:32 <mib_f1h9pi> I guess its left a footnote then, but no big
01:29:35 <Steven> well the not being flanked thing is nice
01:30:37 <Steven> but really if you can get some dodge bonuses, uncanny dodge is fantastic just because you get to keep them.
01:31:56 <mib_f1h9pi> Can I get your opinion on this? http://pastebin.com/nwyb1HK7
01:32:31 <Steven> horrible... total trash.
01:32:34 <Steven> just can it all.
01:32:36 <Steven> ...
01:32:41 <Steven> okay ill go look at it now.
01:33:48 <Steven> so what exactly is this for?
01:34:50 <Steven> also... why bloodrager?
01:34:51 <mib_f1h9pi> overall plan of feats and abilities. The feel is I am a claw fighter, though I was wondering if improved uncanny is really worth waiting that long for, or if I should go a different route
01:35:21 <mib_f1h9pi> for Dclaws without worrying about sorcerer spells and fast movement.
01:36:27 <Steven> so why not a natural weapons ranger so you dont have to worry about rage rounds?
01:36:56 <mib_f1h9pi> Maybe I don't really plan on using rage much.
01:37:29 <Steven> well the claws of the bloodrager only come out when you're raging
01:38:52 <mib_f1h9pi> Not so. Now it does mention I need to rage if I want to use wings or dragon form, but claws is flat
01:39:39 <Steven> When a bloodrager enters a bloodrage, he often takes on a physical transformation influenced by his bloodline and powered by the magic that roils within him. Unless otherwise specified, he gains the effects of his bloodline powers only while in a bloodrage; once the bloodrage ends, all powers from his bloodline immediately cease, and any physical changes the
01:39:58 <Steven> bloodrager underwent revert, restoring him to normal.
01:40:18 <mib_f1h9pi> Damn
01:43:04 <Steven> do you have a character sheet for this character, so i can see some numbers.
01:43:13 <mib_f1h9pi> ? I don't see that in the bloodrager text...
01:43:55 <mib_f1h9pi> oh derp
01:44:08 <mib_f1h9pi> hold on
01:44:26 <mib_f1h9pi> Though what you have mentioned has me having to rethink things
01:45:22 <Steven> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedClassGuide/classes/bloodrager.html
01:45:45 <Steven> under the bloodrager bloodlines.
01:45:48 <mib_f1h9pi> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/bloodrager same deal
01:46:00 <Steven> they sneak clause like that into the oddest places
01:46:49 <Steven> obviously you want to be able to cast some spells
01:47:19 <Steven> from the magical tail feat
01:47:23 <mib_f1h9pi> no kidding.. The sorc claws are only d4. bloodrager claws are d6, Range claws means Aspect of the beast, which are again d4
01:47:34 <Steven> which means a cha based class.
01:47:36 <mib_f1h9pi> ranger claws
01:47:59 <Steven> or at least a class that doesnt expect a cha dumpstat
01:49:09 <mib_f1h9pi> I've been thinking of several ways to do this. Kitsune lens rogue/ranger/bard/sorc and arcane trikster isn't a stretch, even lorewise
01:49:56 <Steven> save that it misses out of a lot of the top end abilities of any of those classes.
01:50:28 <Steven> which kinda sucks, cause thoe classes all have some pretty sweet abilities.
01:51:24 <mib_f1h9pi> Going slayer, it isn't very impressive after level 11
01:52:20 <Steven> dont underestimate assassinate.
01:52:56 <mib_f1h9pi> Dont overestimate the odds of actually reaching level 20 from level 2
01:53:49 <Steven> well if we can cut the class list down but keep the power level you could end up getting assassinate by 14th-15th level
01:54:02 <Steven> meaning you have a surprise round of just flat killing someone.
01:54:33 <mib_f1h9pi> 14 level o.O
01:55:14 <Steven> im looking at getting you claws with the build... if i can dump that we drop 2 levels off of the build.
01:55:18 <mib_f1h9pi> oh, assassinte is talens, not the l20 ability
01:57:38 <mib_f1h9pi> So axe bloodrager. I get fast sneak at 2, Aspect at 4, Improved natural at 6, Eldritch claws at 8, and I can grab assassinate at 10
01:57:40 <Steven> btw why do you want the dominate ability anyways?
01:57:54 <mib_f1h9pi> magical tail 8 is dominate person 2/day
01:58:03 <mib_f1h9pi> err
01:58:06 <Steven> yeah.
01:58:14 <mib_f1h9pi> well I havent thought much other then I am being silly
01:58:58 <mib_f1h9pi> Thinking about it... I can probably use my charm abilities to set up assassinate
01:59:57 <Steven> you can probably drop improved natural attacks and eldritch claws
02:01:35 <mib_f1h9pi> so I'll only have 2x 1d4 damage without DR Pen?
02:02:03 <Steven> the difference between d4 and d6 is 1damage and an amulet of mighty fists can get you through that DR
02:02:48 <mib_f1h9pi> Shows how much I know :<
02:02:58 <Steven> now if eldritch claws were DR silver and cold iron bypassing, id have a complete opposite opinion.
02:03:20 <Steven> but the big scaries that have dr silver are usually devils.
02:03:27 <Steven> and you can bargain with those.
02:03:32 <Steven> if you dont want to fight hem.
02:04:20 <Steven> DR cold iron is usually demons, which just fucking suck so much dick.
02:04:23 <mib_f1h9pi> Well its silver, but not cold iron
02:04:55 <Steven> because they just want to kill you and break stuff... for no other reason then to kill you and break stuff
02:05:31 <mib_f1h9pi> Shapechangers also hate silver generally
02:05:57 <Steven> well its your home game, so if you know your GM likes throwing devils and shapeshifters at you
02:06:08 <Steven> then by all means pick up eldritch claws.
02:06:28 <Steven> but otherwise you should probably look to getting something else.
02:07:52 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/amulet-of-mighty-fists
02:08:04 <Steven> so thats the item you want to pick up if you're going to be doing natural attacks.
02:08:14 <Steven> its spendy, but super worth it.
02:08:32 <Steven> how set are you on slayer levels?
02:09:15 <mib_f1h9pi> not really
02:09:50 <mib_f1h9pi> I'm at that point where I am trying to figure what I can do after years of not playing pathfinder
02:10:16 <Steven> well theres a super insane feat combination...
02:10:22 <Steven> its called arcane strike
02:10:40 <Steven> and then if you're a bloodrager you get Blooded Arcane Strike
02:10:58 <Steven> so if you wanted to you could drop slayer, which sadly will lose you sneak attack
02:11:11 <mib_f1h9pi> my first idea was Drakitsune. Kitsune with dragon bloodline, and possibly dragon diciple
02:11:29 <Steven> okay....
02:11:46 <Steven> so... let me throw this at you... you tell me what you think
02:11:48 <mib_f1h9pi> then I end up in the odd place of trying to do too much
02:12:03 <Steven> Kitsune Crossblooded Bloodrager
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02:13:40 <Steven> Draconic/arcane bloodlines or draconic/infernal
02:13:56 <Steven> sorry... abyssal
02:14:04 <Steven> going into dragon disciple
02:15:14 <Steven> if you want free buffs you go with draconic/arcane and rage autocast blur on yourself, if you want damage you go draconic/abyssal and auto enlarge
02:16:06 <Steven> then you drive right into dragon disciple for stupid good stat increases.
02:16:26 <mib_f1h9pi> Hmm, Besides Barb, any other class get fast movement?
02:16:51 <Steven> monk and bloodrager
02:17:30 <mib_f1h9pi> Yeah, I am left torn between a claw fighter and an illusionist
02:17:47 <Steven> the great part about the crossblooded bloodrager/dragon disciple build is the only feats you really need to make it get stupid amazing is power attack, arcane strike, blooded arcane strike
02:19:40 <mib_f1h9pi> I don't see blooded arcane strike, unless its third party
02:20:28 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/blooded-arcane-strike-combat
02:22:00 <Steven> at 20th level with 10 levels of bloodrager and 10 levels of DD from power attack and arcane strike will give your attack modifier -5 for +14 damage
02:22:12 <mib_f1h9pi> Ah, though that still leaves me having to manage rage rounds to get everything
02:22:14 <Steven> then whatever you get from your str bonus
02:22:26 <Steven> it wont be hard...
02:22:27 <mib_f1h9pi> Only issue is kitsune is -2 str
02:23:19 <Steven> all you need is 13 str for power attack.
02:23:39 <mib_f1h9pi> Easily done with the str buffs from DD
02:23:52 <Steven> very easily done
02:25:04 <mib_f1h9pi> yeah, amulet of mighty fists when your claw/claw/bite. No reason not to
02:25:33 <Steven> the hardest part of the entire build is making sure your gm cant kill you off before you get to the point of being unkillable.
02:27:52 <Steven> because it eventually ends up where you rage and just start killing things in one round.
02:28:44 <Steven> oh i attack with my claw 1d4+28 damage, claw 1d4+28 damage, Bite 1d6+28 damage...
02:29:00 <Steven> oh good its dead.
02:30:19 <mib_f1h9pi> Yeah.. DM said no OP crap or summoners.
02:30:48 <Steven> yeah... this build is OP.
02:30:52 <mib_f1h9pi> and the bite is d4
02:30:52 <Steven> lol
02:31:55 <mib_f1h9pi> God this is why I love/hate pathfinder. So many possibilities
02:31:56 <mib_f1h9pi> :D
02:32:27 <Steven> well i could give you my blackblade/kensai magus build.
02:32:28 <mib_f1h9pi> Seriously though, I hope Paizo aquires DnD
02:32:46 <Steven> it is also broken as fuck.
02:33:12 <Steven> level 5 AC 32 in a Chain Shirt while attacking defensively
02:33:30 <mib_f1h9pi> Um, yeah... thats not gonna fly
02:33:56 <Steven> it is pretty stupid build.
02:34:07 <mib_f1h9pi> I am quite familiar with broken characters, and it is no fun unless the entire group is playing broken characters
02:34:11 <Steven> next level i get crane style!
02:35:34 <mib_f1h9pi> Been playing mostly 4ed DnD. There isn't anything I have found completely broken (Besides all gameplay after level 24) But there is one build that is totally bent, which makes you completely unkillable
02:35:59 <Steven> there are a lot of different ways to do that in PFS.
02:36:59 <mib_f1h9pi> With DnD Next, its more or less a stripped down throwback to 3.5, with no features from 4th ed. I can see it falling on its face hard.
02:37:31 <Steven> my friend laine has a monk that has 10 con... but you cant hit his 45ac/40touch and you cant hit him with spells because his low save is +21
02:37:49 <mib_f1h9pi> is UMD still a skill in PFS?
02:38:05 <Steven> but hell he only does 2d6+17 damage per hit.
02:38:13 <mib_f1h9pi> Yep, lol
02:38:16 <Steven> Yes it is still a skill
02:38:35 <mib_f1h9pi> UMD is soo abusive if you get the chance to abuse it
02:39:01 <mib_f1h9pi> Ever play NWN?
02:39:28 <Steven> yeah
02:40:02 <mib_f1h9pi> I ended up with an extremely abusive build cause of UMD. At max level with the last expansion, I had ac 84
02:40:04 <mib_f1h9pi> no mods
02:40:48 <mib_f1h9pi> Ma dex rogue pimping on all the monks OP gear
02:47:04 <mib_f1h9pi> meh, if I am gonna go kyuubi, I may as well be a caster
02:47:39 <Steven> casters pretty good.
02:55:13 <mib_f1h9pi> str 5? lol
02:55:37 <Steven> you just wanna die to a shadow dont you?
02:56:08 <mib_f1h9pi> Yeah, getting str drained with str 5 would suck
02:56:42 <mib_f1h9pi> But, if the caster is getting attacked, usually something is wrong
02:57:05 <mib_f1h9pi> or going wrong
02:57:27 <Steven> well... ambushes happen.
02:58:16 <mib_f1h9pi> Yeah, one game I am in, the DM has a bad habbit of outnumbering the PCs. Granted its goblins at low level, but still I am tired of being in the line of fire as a caster
02:59:57 <Steven> all i gotta say... 4 lacedons(aquatic ghouls) and 1 level 3 Cleric (Aquatic Ghoul) vs 4 2nd level PCs... party wipe city.
03:00:50 <mib_f1h9pi> Well, I have been in 4 level 2 pc vs White dragon and won. Nasty fight, but still
03:03:11 <Steven> well ghouls are nasty creatures because of the paralysis on each of their damn attacks.
03:03:35 <Steven> eventually people are going to get hit.
03:04:16 <Steven> and when you are throwing on the small side 5 attacks and on the high side 15 attacks a round out.
03:05:20 <Steven> i mean... level 2s only have so many options.
03:06:15 <mib_f1h9pi> so str 8, de 16, con 12, int 14, wis 8, and cha 18
03:06:40 <mib_f1h9pi> or I could do str 6 and wis 10
03:35:54 <mib_f1h9pi> Besides the obvious feats (CC, SP) Any good feats for casters at low level?
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06:58:03 <Avatar> think today's game is cancelled
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08:52:06 <Mekkis> :(
08:55:13 <Avatar> sorry chief
08:55:20 <Avatar> we have to figure out why people aren't joining games anymore
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13:13:30 <Steven> suuuup
13:15:53 <Avatar> suuuuup
13:16:51 <Steven> chillin
13:17:11 <Steven> thinkin bout makin something for dinner
13:24:47 <Avatar> I myself am just finishing, a salad
13:27:50 <Steven> i kinda want a pot pie
13:28:29 <Steven> or like chicken fried steak
13:29:49 <Steven> potato chowder
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14:59:10 <spinfusion> hello
15:01:43 <spinfusion> anyone here?
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15:19:45 <mib_jwek9f> Hello
15:43:33 <Steven> hi hi
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15:43:51 <Steven> i went with pot pie
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17:52:46 <magliadoro> Hello
17:56:09 <magliadoro> Anybody there?
18:03:38 <Avatar> yo
18:08:35 <magliadoro> Hi :)
18:08:44 <magliadoro> So you guys play Pathfinder online together right?
18:11:56 <Avatar> you know pathfinder society?
18:15:54 <magliadoro> Wait, is this the tabletop roleplaying game group?
18:16:58 <Mekkis> ja
18:17:37 <magliadoro> Oh good. Yeah I just heard of you a bit ago. Someone told me that I can play Pathfinder online with people.
18:17:50 <magliadoro> I think that'ed be a lot of fun
18:17:59 <Mekkis> it is
18:19:20 <magliadoro> Okay :) I have a fair bit of experience with 3.5 but very little with Pathfinder.
18:21:17 <magliadoro> How do I get involved?
18:27:52 <Mekkis> have you been to the website?
18:28:20 <magliadoro> I'm on it now but I'm not sure if I should be looking at the main one or the Australian one
18:28:43 <Mekkis> www.pfrpg.con.au?
18:31:35 <magliadoro> Oh
18:31:45 <magliadoro> no
18:31:45 <magliadoro> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ldut
18:31:52 <magliadoro> Wrong site I guess huh? hehe
18:32:50 <magliadoro> Oh, yeah that's the site I was on to get to this chat room
18:32:55 <magliadoro> Thanks, I was having trouble finding it again
18:33:45 <Mekkis> basically, create a character, and sign up. You'll get email reminders for games. Feel free to hang around here too.
18:34:31 <magliadoro> Thanks :)
18:35:01 <Mekkis> we generally talk about roleplaying-related stuff
18:35:35 <Mekkis> do you mind me asking what state you're in?
18:39:52 <magliadoro> SA
18:46:54 <magliadoro> You?
18:47:22 <magliadoro> So make a level 1 char?
18:49:39 <Mekkis> ACT
19:03:44 <Avatar> go here: http://pathfindersocietyonline.com/gettingstarted/
19:36:03 <magliadoro> This is going to take awhile...
19:59:58 <Brunius> level 1 character, in compliance with the PFS guide
20:18:46 <magliadoro> So I have to buy the core rulebook from Paizo?
20:18:59 <magliadoro> I can't borrow it from my neighbour? (they play too)
20:19:06 <magliadoro> They have a physical book
20:25:01 <Brunius> you need to use the pathfinder core rulebook (or prd, I guess) to make a character that complies with the PFS rules
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22:54:07 <Steven> hey
23:06:28 <Steven> !rand generalized janky Jankyasfuck
23:06:38 <Steven> !rng generalized janky Jankyasfuck
23:06:49 <Steven> oh... no diebot
23:06:53 <Steven> well time to pick up a dice.
23:41:13 <Steven> Made a bloodrager Archer
23:42:31 <Steven> +1 Adaptive Composite Longblow
23:42:58 <Steven> w/ Arcane Strike, Blooded Arcane Strike, Vital Strike for 2d8+11 damage
23:43:22 <Steven> level 9 will take deadly aim
23:43:53 <Steven> take it to +17 damage
23:45:11 <Steven> level 11 will take improved vital strike and take damage to 3d8+24 damage w/o stat increases.
23:46:30 <Steven> suppose i could pick up a wand of gravity bow and fit in furious finish if i want to
23:47:00 <Steven> 60 damage in one shot... if i crit its just kablamo
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