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13:43 <Spaceshot> great, for one of my 1.1s, the GM didn't write down how much PA gained
14:13 <Spaceshot> do I just assume 2?
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23:47 <Spaceshot> all pfs characters get a free faction change
23:54 <Spaceshot> even if their faction still exists right?
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47:34 <Avatar> check your reporting on paizo.com
47:52 <Avatar> you don't just "assume 2"
48:14 <Avatar> if you have to make an assumption on prestige, it's 0
01:36 <Spaceshot> I'll just check michelle's, we played together
01:50 <Avatar> is she there
02:00 <Spaceshot> no, but I know where her character stuff is
04:34 <Spaceshot> do you think paizo will ever go back to old prestige classes and just clean them up to account for new class features that should be worked within the prestige class?
04:52 <Spaceshot> the ones that come to mind are pathfinder field agent and hellknight sinctifier
07:34 <Avatar> no
07:41 <Avatar> prestige classes are a thing of the past
07:49 <Avatar> base classes and archetypes are where it is now
13:34 <Spaceshot> that may be true
13:35 <Spaceshot> but that sucks
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16:38 <Avatar> that doesn't suck
16:46 <Avatar> prestige classes suck
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12:04 <Mekkis> moin
31:26 <Avatar> yo
37:10 <Mekkis> I notice you didn't schedule Heresy of Man
39:10 <Avatar> didn't I ask you something about that
39:24 <Avatar> I can't remember what it was but I don't think I got an answer
40:40 <Mekkis> I said that I was still keen to play it.
40:59 <Avatar> that wasn't it
42:28 <Avatar> scheduling
42:30 <Mekkis> oh, that I'd rather start it at 1900 rather than 1830.
42:46 <Avatar> yeah I think friday is too unreliable for me
43:10 <Mekkis> I'm free this Sunday, for most of the day* (*Pending other things that I might arrange)
43:31 <Avatar> do we have 3 7-11 players
43:36 <Avatar> or do we have to find them
43:51 <Mekkis> it's a 5-9. And I'm not sure
44:51 <Avatar> yeah 5-9
45:55 <Avatar> if we have some players very soon, I'll run it tomorrow, but otherwise I'll schedule it for next saturday morning
46:05 <Avatar> by tomorrow COB at the latest
46:12 <Avatar> and if it's not there, hassle me
46:23 <Avatar> following up works wonders
01:59 <Mekkis> umm, why Saturday?
03:07 <Avatar> fridays are unreliable and sundays eat up the weekend
03:41 <Avatar> what's wrong with saturday
08:54 <Mekkis> playing runelords this saturday
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10:49 <Mekkis> 2-6pm
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46:27 <Spaceshot> Avatar: prestige classes aren't bad
46:41 <Spaceshot> as long as they are an alternative to continuing with core/base classes
47:47 <Spaceshot> they don't have class/archetype for every possible concept, or even all moderately thought about concepts
48:04 <Spaceshot> and class/archetypes don't always work for all concepts
08:54 <Spaceshot> no idea what I want to make the assimar
17:41 <Spaceshot> Eldrich Scion archetype for magus looks good, but the bloodrager bloodlines looks meh
46:46 <Spaceshot> what is the point of the feral hunter gaining the first teamwork feat if there is no auto sharing with companion since no companion
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46:57 <Spaceshot> is it just for those rare ocassions someone else might have one?
47:01 <Steven> !throw 1d86
47:02 <diebot> Steven, 1d86: [1d86=33] 33
47:19 <Spaceshot> hey Steven
47:34 <Steven> yo
47:55 <Steven> fought a succubus and 3 creatures that can charm person tonight...
48:03 <Spaceshot> can you explain why a feral hunter would still get 1 teamwork feat?
48:27 <Steven> the fight was just round after round after round of charm person until the whole party was friends with everyone.
49:02 <Steven> because they took a teamwork feat?
49:20 <Spaceshot> no I mean, those lose all additional teamwork feats
49:30 <Spaceshot> yet still gain 1 via class abilities
49:39 <Spaceshot> except no companion to share it with
50:32 <Steven> do you mean the outflank teamwork feat?
50:45 <Spaceshot> no I mean the teamwork feat you get at level 3
51:04 <Spaceshot> the archetype replaces 6,9,12,15 and 18 teamwork feats
51:06 <Spaceshot> but not the third
51:30 <Steven> if memory serves they still grant them to animals they summon.
51:35 <Spaceshot> nope
51:37 <Spaceshot> only outflank
51:41 <Spaceshot> at least to my knowledge
53:46 <Steven> dont know then...
53:52 <Steven> dont really care though.
54:03 <Steven> its a free bonus feat
54:15 <Spaceshot> it's a free useless feat
54:21 <Spaceshot> which could be replaced by something
54:22 <Spaceshot> anything
54:38 <Steven> not really useless.
54:49 <Spaceshot> it's extremely situational
55:07 <Spaceshot> it requires someone else to have a teamwork feat
55:08 <Steven> so is smite evil if you're not in a game with lots of evil stuff.
55:25 <Spaceshot> that is just being stupid
55:41 <Spaceshot> I'm talking about generally extremely situational
55:57 <Spaceshot> not just "oh in this situation it's extremely situational"
57:43 <Steven> its almost like i said i dont really care about a bonus teamwork feat an archetype gets.
57:56 <Spaceshot> thanks for helping
58:22 <Steven> i dont know what you want man... i'm not a designer.. i have no answers for you.
58:39 <Spaceshot> I was just curious for input
59:46 <Steven> you have as much information ont he subject as i do.
59:55 <Steven> sorry, im a bit testy right now man.
00:16 <Steven> had to take my dad to the hospital
00:30 <Steven> took care of him all day
00:42 <Steven> go to pathfinder game to play looking to blow off steam
00:59 <Steven> i was paralyzed in first fight and nearly died to con poison.
01:09 <Steven> second fight i died before i could act
01:43 <Steven> third fight i started the fight 300 ft away from the party and fight was over before i got there.
02:16 <Steven> fourth fight i was unable to deal damage to the creature because it was a shadow and my attack deals 1d6+6 physical damage... not magical.
02:40 <Steven> and my only damaging spell was fire based which it had DR against because shadow demons are fun.
03:07 <Steven> then fifth fight we fought spam charm person fight to which we all eventually failed.
03:44 <Steven> one person ran away... i think their plan is to coup the leader when she is sleeping freeing us all from the dominate effect because otherwise its a TPK.
03:48 <Steven> so that was my day.
03:53 <Steven> im kinda pissy.
06:33 <Steven> just ordered a pizza.
06:41 <Steven> so that should make me feel a little better.
06:49 <Steven> because im starving.
07:24 <Steven> i think the teamwork thing was probably some kind of oversight.
08:11 <Steven> or maybe they had another ability in mind for it, but it was stronger then a teamwork feat.
08:40 <Steven> and so instead of replacing it and increasing the power level of the archetype just left it as a teamwork feat.
08:56 <Steven> because the class is pretty mechanically strong.
10:35 <Steven> at 15th level its a free belt of physical might +6
10:59 <Steven> thats a pretty good class ability.
11:12 <Spaceshot> yea true
11:39 <Spaceshot> but you compare that to having a pet with a free belt of physical might +6
12:44 <Steven> i built a feral hunter... before it got killed in the homebrew i was bitching about it was pretty OP just being able to swift action change the bonus
13:52 <Steven> the versatility of it is pretty awesome.
14:48 <Steven> having an animal companion isnt as strong as people make it out to be if the animal companion is run like an animal.
14:50 <Spaceshot> yea I've noticed a lot of versitility in ACG
16:05 <Steven> if an animal companion is ran like another PC that takes the best actions possible then they are super strong.
16:49 <Steven> but if you run an animal companion as an animal that provokes AoOs when it goes to flank and doesnt 5ft step to get in position to help allies and shit like that
17:26 <Steven> then animal companions become a lot less amazing... unless you have a pounce machine... then get fucked you're breaking the shit out of the game.
17:47 <Steven> also... i hate pounce
17:52 <Spaceshot> pounce is a bit stupid
18:05 <Spaceshot> so is mounting your animal companion when you're not a mounting class
18:29 <Steven> oh i'll surprise round pounce and get 4 attacks... oh look i rolled a nat 20 on initative... i'll get two full round attacks before anyone gets to go.... PFS is easy.
19:03 <Spaceshot> PFS is easy when GMs cbf trying to add logic to the game because many of them think they're not allowed to
19:03 <Steven> i dont mind mounting animal companions
20:31 <Steven> i have an ankleosaurus animal companion that is basically a meat shield
21:12 <Steven> they stay sequestered in a hosteling tower shield
21:49 <Steven> i havent optimized for the stun lock either, cause that is boring.
23:38 <Spaceshot> would an animal companion be smart enough to use battle tactics?
24:20 <Steven> everything you tell it to do requires a handle animal check
29:09 <Spaceshot> yea I thought so
29:16 <Spaceshot> well, everything new you tell it to do
29:25 <Spaceshot> like it'll keep attacking the same target without a check each round
29:52 <Steven> yup
30:10 <Spaceshot> when I've played PFS, I've seen I think 1 handle animal check
30:32 <Spaceshot> but like 1/2 or 1/3 of secnarios had an AC
30:43 <Steven> i dunno man, my animal companion and my character share a language
30:59 <Steven> so i just ask it to do stuff
31:55 <Spaceshot> really?
32:01 <Steven> yeah totem guide.
32:03 <Spaceshot> ah
33:10 <Spaceshot> haven't looked at much of the ACG
33:25 <Spaceshot> just mainly investigator and if they fixed shaman
33:25 <Steven> pretty strong options in it.
33:29 <Spaceshot> oh there is
33:37 <Spaceshot> but that's codex creep for you
33:49 <Steven> dunno what imma make if i cant get my character recovered.
34:29 <Spaceshot> what level was it?
34:56 <Steven> i made a feral hunter for the first character i played and teamed up with walter(my VC) to get a kick ass back story... and then we got raped by 4 aquatic ghouls and a level 3 aquatic ghoul cleric.
35:07 <Steven> at level 2
35:11 <Spaceshot> ouch
35:27 <Steven> so i made an arcanist that is a school savant
35:39 <Spaceshot> I was thinking of a blade adept
35:44 <Steven> level dipped sorc and picked up bloodline development
35:55 <Steven> so im an arcanist with a bloodline and an arcane school
36:09 <Steven> i shoot wood spears
36:19 <Spaceshot> does blade adept cheat and have a blackblade that is a bonded item?
36:24 <Spaceshot> arcane bond*
37:05 <Steven> yes
37:12 <Spaceshot> haha
37:15 <Steven> pretty much that is what happens.
37:50 <Steven> but i think my arcanist is unrecoverable after tonight.
37:56 <Spaceshot> dang
38:13 <Steven> since if he doesnt kill the succubus in the surprise round coup attempt the part is TPK'd
38:47 <Steven> because it will be that guy vs 3 charm person spam bots, my character, and a rogue.
39:15 <Steven> i shoot wood spears at people that do 1d6+6+1 bleed
39:39 <Spaceshot> I think the main annoyance with most of the arcanist archetypes is they replace 1st exploit, not because you want the first, just cause you can't spend your 1st feat to get a different one
40:04 <Steven> i traded most of my exploits away to get a school
40:14 <Spaceshot> I was tempted to go eldrich scion, except the bloodrager bloodlines aren't that exciting for a magus
40:40 <Steven> and then picked up extra exploit to get my bloodline level equal to my character level
40:58 <Spaceshot> do you have any normal exploits?
41:05 <Steven> no
41:10 <Spaceshot> then you can't pick up extra exploit
41:16 <Steven> wait... i got level 5 arcanist right before i died
41:25 <Steven> which is when i picked it up
41:33 <Steven> well not dead... but mind controlled
41:37 <Steven> which is why the build works
41:49 <Spaceshot> mmm
42:01 <Spaceshot> you can't take "extra" feats till you gain whatever it is
42:11 <Steven> i thought you meant normal like acid jet, or counterspell.
42:15 <Spaceshot> so if an archetype replaces the first one, you must wait till the second, or next
42:19 <Steven> you know... useful exploits.
42:40 <Spaceshot> no I mean arcane exploits, the class abilitiy
43:35 <Steven> jesus... what to build now that i have to come up with a character concept.
44:10 <Steven> i really wish my feral hunter was still alive, i liked playing him.
44:50 <Steven> and i've grown to like playing this character.
45:06 <Steven> because i made her into a Liberal lesbian vegitarian
45:26 <Spaceshot> I guess that didn't go well
45:37 <Steven> nah its been grand.
46:03 <Steven> like the GM has guys come up and hit on her and shes just like... "yeah... no i'm into chicks."
46:56 <Steven> shes got a decent cha.
47:16 <Spaceshot> that just sounds like you're makin fun of lesbians/chicks in general
47:18 <Spaceshot> but whatev
48:23 <Steven> no, its making fun of lesbians if im like "im a lesbian i try to sleep with every woman around because lesbians are really just guys that were born with a vagina."
48:42 <Steven> shes just a hippy
48:44 <Spaceshot> I think having guys hit on her, in PFS, is gettin there
49:42 <Steven> that is the GM
49:53 <Steven> i cannot control another persons actions.
50:14 <Spaceshot> any females in your group?
50:21 <Steven> yes
50:28 <Spaceshot> mmk
50:50 <Spaceshot> does the GM have NPCs hit on other female characters?
51:03 <Steven> yup
51:51 <Spaceshot> mmk
52:06 <Steven> i live in pullman washington, which is home to the WSU campus.  like 25k people attend.
52:22 <Steven> this town is fairly liberal
52:24 <Spaceshot> ok?
52:31 <Steven> which lends itself to a pretty healthy feminist community
53:04 <Steven> quite nice really
53:26 <Steven> though occasionally we have a person take a joke to far and then people get butt hurt
54:03 <Steven> and they come bother me to solve their problems and im like... you're 24 years old... be a fuckin adult and use your words to explain to the other person you didnt like their joke.
54:27 <Spaceshot> don't expect people under 40 to do that these days
54:55 <Steven> its really quite pathetic when it happens.
55:16 <Steven> i dont fit in with my generation, and i dont fit in with the current generation either.
55:44 <s_gmusic> I just don't fit in at all.
56:06 <Steven> i do alright with the people in my fathers generation because they solve their own problems.
56:22 <s_gmusic> If someone makes a joke, even a really bad pun, I'm inclined to laugh while everyone else goes "that's not funny". :/
56:45 <Steven> and if we had my way i'd just let people go outside and fist fight until one person is proven the winner by blood.
57:15 <Steven> but hell thats just the way i was raised.
57:57 <Spaceshot> haha
58:03 <Spaceshot> clearly that resolves issues
58:26 <Steven> i remember very clearly the day my brother garrett beat the shit out of me on the front law of my uncles house.
58:42 <Spaceshot> though our VC/VL (I don't remember anymore which is which or who is who) in melbourne had a big spiff about certain jokes and comments in games a few months ago
58:47 <Steven> i went inside and told my dad garrett bloodied my nose and kicked me in the stomach
59:01 <Steven> my dad told me to go back outside and kick garretts ass or go cry in my room.
59:09 <Steven> but to leave him alone
59:19 <Steven> so, went outside and beat the shit out of my brother garrett.
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