// #d&d — 2014-10-15
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02:15:41 <Guinglain> hello
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13:38:50 <Lintor> hey people
13:46:50 <Lintor> wondering if anyone knows the area that states about not having to make atttack roles for benificial effects because i wanna double check it covers range as well
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16:22:34 <Lintor> herro
16:34:32 <Avatar> sup
16:34:50 <Avatar> attack rolls for beneficial effects?
16:34:52 <Avatar> you mean like cure?
16:35:14 <Lintor> yeah
16:35:49 <Lintor> cartomancer witch can throw cards with spells attached to trun them into ranged touch which should work with healing spells
16:35:55 <Avatar> I think the assumption is that the target willingly tries to get in your way
16:36:06 <Avatar> simplicity's sake
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16:36:33 <Lintor> yeah i just couldn't find anything on intentionally getting hit i found volentary save failure but not getting hit
16:37:02 <Avatar> how is this coming up? are you the GM
16:37:08 <Brunius> I think I recall giving up dex bonus
16:37:23 <Lintor> i want the page number incase anyone trys to douche me
16:37:44 <Avatar> not sure if it's in the rules
16:37:53 <Avatar> don't play with douches is what paizo recommends
16:38:10 <Avatar> Brunius where have you been? the channel has been so empty without you
16:38:12 <Lintor> yeah you cant garantie that at cons
16:38:28 <Brunius> My internet got capped and then I gave up internet for two days
16:38:30 <Lintor> oh and brunius i am gonna jay and silent bob you
16:38:35 <Avatar> yeah use warhorn
16:38:39 <Brunius> ...wat?
16:39:01 <Avatar> isn't the internet still pretty usable when you're capped
16:39:04 <Avatar> apart from downloads
16:39:10 <Brunius> yeah, IRC is usually fine
16:39:21 <Brunius> more lag in messages but nothing too bad
16:39:27 <Lintor> even with warhorn sometime a game gets over booked and then they add a second gm and you are like please not that one
16:39:28 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure if you tell stephen you don't want to play with a certain GM, he'll avoid putting you in games with them
16:40:24 <Avatar> he would rather less drama, but you'd want to work out what happens if it's the only table available or if a table can't be made without you as a player
16:40:33 <Avatar> just cover your bases
16:40:47 <Lintor> talking about gm's i dont have to play with have you heard ashley say he wouldnt let people summon monster while invis and have them attack as a non attack action and keep there invis because in my search last night i found RAW ruling that tells him to shove it
16:41:19 <Brunius> yeah! pissing off your GM!
16:41:21 <Lintor> also if i goto a con else where and get a douche gm i don't know
16:43:39 <Avatar> yeah just say you won't play on a table ashley is GMing
16:43:52 <Lintor> yeah i have done that already
16:43:56 <Avatar> don't need to add 'because...'
16:43:57 <Lintor> Stephen is well aware
16:46:20 <Lintor> but in brissy i coped a douche gm from the canbera crowd so i just wanted to cover my bases
16:47:14 <Lintor> because i also would have very little hexes because i am also thinking of taking channel on him
16:51:17 <Avatar> there is a sweet new witch rod in the ACG
16:51:28 <Avatar> rod of grasping hexes I think it's called, pretty cheap and doubles the hex range
16:51:46 <Avatar> a couple of those hex rods were made PFS illegal, but not that one
16:57:31 <Lintor> looking at going hexchannler so giving up hexes to be able to channel energy
17:05:53 <Avatar> I can't remember what I was waiting on to retrain my druid into shaman, they confirmed that I can do it with 5 prestige now somewhere
17:06:21 <Avatar> I was trying to work out unsworn shaman after steven recommended it and then a lot of poeple said it's a pointlessly shit archetype
17:06:37 <Avatar> and then when I asked him about it again, he didn't remember recommending it !!!!!
17:14:31 <Lintor> where is this 5pp rebuild to new class
17:14:47 <Lintor> cause i would like to switch Ulzef to swashbuckler
17:15:21 <Avatar> in was in a blog post
17:15:33 <Avatar> each ACG class referenced another core class for the purposes of that retraining table
17:16:18 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lghy?Year-of-the-Sky-Key-QA
17:16:23 <Lintor> ah nvm he is fighter and rouge
17:16:36 <Avatar> yeah but he can retrain anything that comes under 'fighter'
17:17:41 <Avatar> barb, cavalier, gunslinger, magus, monk, paladin, ranger, rogue
17:17:47 <Avatar> what class is Ulzef?
17:18:25 <Avatar> also, while I remember, what's the name of his faction?
17:18:34 <Lintor> 4 rogue 3 fighter 3 dualist
17:18:49 <Lintor> spirit of freedom
17:19:19 <Avatar> cheers
17:19:28 <Avatar> I'd say you're fine with retraining all of those levels, including duelist
17:19:46 <Avatar> the fighter retraining is a pretty all-encompassing class list
17:19:50 <Lintor> seems hex channeler is not legal for pfs play not sure why it isn't op
17:20:13 <Avatar> can't you slumber channel with it
17:20:23 <Avatar> I remember that now that you mention it
17:20:25 <Lintor> well you sorta can
17:20:55 <Lintor> you give up your lvl 1 hex to be able to channel and then for each 1d6 you wanna gain you have to give up a hex
17:21:24 <Avatar> channeling hexes is OP though
17:21:42 <Lintor> its just channel energy as a clerk
17:22:00 <Lintor> and to keep it on there lvl you have to give up all your hexes
17:22:02 <Avatar> but with hexes
17:22:07 <Avatar> you only need one
17:23:32 <Lintor> true but for that one you give up a d6 on your channel and get no domain and the witch spell list
17:23:57 <Lintor> btw avatar how many pp would it be to retrain all 10 lvls
17:28:58 <Avatar> 5 prestige per level
17:29:04 <Avatar> have you only just hit level 10?
17:29:14 <Avatar> the last level is free if you haven't actually levelled it yet
17:30:23 <Avatar> I am having an argument with a dood on the facebook group about GMs having to ask players if they own the books
17:30:40 <Avatar> so many players are terrified they aren't Following The Rules
17:32:03 <Lintor> yeah i dont think he has 45pp
17:32:25 <Avatar> can you make do with a few lower levels
17:32:47 <Lintor> swashbuckler is one of those all or nothing classes
17:32:57 <Avatar> really? how come
17:33:03 <Lintor> the reason its good is you add your lvl as presision damage
17:34:27 <Lintor> so at lvl 10 i would have my lvl + power attack+ dex as damage
17:39:07 <Avatar> does precision damage stack? can you keep the rogue levels?
17:41:56 <Lintor> i could,hm i have a free retrain of feats as well as he has crane style and has not played since its rework
17:43:26 <Avatar> I feel like feat retraining is too expensive
17:43:35 <Avatar> a feat costs the same as a class level
17:55:53 <Lintor> why does no one use peacebond hex it is so good
17:57:01 <Avatar> what is it
17:57:13 <Lintor> its almost as effective at stopping someone as slumber but they cannot break it until the rounds are up
17:57:52 <Lintor> you make it so they cannot draw any weapons. doesn't stop them using any they have already but archers cant draw more arrow
17:58:26 <Avatar> most bad guys already have weapons out, if they have weapons at all
17:58:35 <Avatar> good for archers if they can't fire another arrow
17:58:48 <Avatar> and gunslingers !
17:59:36 <Avatar> who was your sword and pistol character?
17:59:46 <Lintor> i dont have one
17:59:50 <Lintor> i have guns
17:59:57 <Avatar> you had one during haunting of hinojai
17:59:58 <Lintor> hate even
18:00:07 <Avatar> you were the other gunslinger at my table !
18:00:09 <Lintor> nope that was ulzef no gun
18:00:22 <Lintor> nope i have no gun slingers
18:00:25 <Avatar> I think that might be a fib
18:00:33 <Lintor> actually i was my ranger when i did haunting
18:00:44 <Lintor> and he is a sword and board ranger
18:00:54 <Avatar> I remember you having a gun
18:01:09 <Lintor> nope i was the trap springer
18:01:18 <Lintor> i have never made a gunslinger
18:01:30 <Lintor> or played one
18:01:55 <Avatar> I am pretty sure we even had a conversation about the feat, because that was the first I'd heard of it
18:02:39 <Lintor> i have one as a backup for WotR but that is a bolt ace
18:02:56 <Avatar> I would really like to try bolt ace
18:03:13 <Avatar> I was considering multiclassing my investigator with bolt ace
18:03:21 <Avatar> but, I hate multiclassing
18:03:41 <Lintor> i dont even think i was at your table for haunting i was on jenna's table with ken
18:04:01 <Avatar> now I know you are telling a fib
18:04:07 <Lintor> investigator is hard to go past lvl 3 in
18:04:18 <Avatar> really? level 3
18:04:31 <Lintor> 3 is when you get your talent
18:04:44 <Avatar> but you get the rest as well
18:04:48 <Avatar> it doesn't stop at studied combat
18:05:17 <Lintor> not a huge fan of studied combat i think it is underwhelming
18:05:29 <Avatar> is studied combat the one I am thinking of
18:05:33 <Avatar> there are two
18:06:39 <Avatar> there's something wrong with either studied combat or studied strike
18:06:59 <Lintor> yeah i forget
18:07:40 <Lintor> i just remember reading both it and the hunter and going well these are both awesome classes until lvl 3 or 4 and then i am never taking another lvl in them
18:07:58 <Avatar> it might be studied combat
18:08:11 <Avatar> the extra damage isn't worth sacrificing the full round of attacks on the first hit?
18:08:40 <Avatar> strike is just free extra damage
18:10:44 <Avatar> oh wait, strike is the problematic one
18:10:51 <Avatar> it ends studied combat when you use it
18:11:24 <Lintor> yeah but studied combat isn't that great anyway you dont get enough uses
18:11:37 <Avatar> it sort of depends I guess
18:11:44 <Avatar> at level 10, it's +4d6 precision damage
18:11:53 <Avatar> studied combat on its own won't hold up at that point
18:12:02 <Avatar> for +1d6 at level 4 it's not worth it
18:13:36 <Lintor> yeah or you could be say lvl 3 investigator and lvl 7 ninja and get 4d6 at 10 for flanking without round restrictions and have vanish and have awesome skills from the inspiration
18:14:36 <Avatar> my problem with multiclassing investigator is that I'd rather keep the alchemy stuff as well
18:16:51 <Lintor> true however you can take 1 lvl investigator to get the int to all those skills in place of there normal stat then go the inspired alcemist who get the inspiration but gives up mutagen and then you get bombs
18:17:28 <Lintor> trust me i wanted the investigator to be awesome however i can't see it as anything but a splash class
18:18:12 <Avatar> fuck are you serious?
18:18:33 <Avatar> that might be enough to move me
18:19:10 <Avatar> I was going to take inspiration talents to take full advantage of the class, but I don't think it measures up to what you're talking about
18:35:20 <Avatar> that guy I said was playing a ninja and dressed up as a ninja the other day in slave ships of absalom
18:35:29 <Avatar> also has himself dressed up as a ninja in his g+ profile photo
18:35:33 <Avatar> he is a real life ninja
18:45:30 <Lintor> no a real life ninja wears jeans and a tshirt and you never know he is a ninja until boom its to late
18:47:45 <Avatar> well what is he then
18:47:51 <Avatar> he looks like a ninja to me
18:48:25 <Avatar> https://plus.google.com/u/0/112941801104491386346/photos/photo/6069377810498979682?pid=6069377810498979682&oid=112941801104491386346
18:48:42 <Avatar> he looked like that on cam, but normaller
19:00:45 <Lintor> a chef or a poser
19:03:07 <Avatar> well of course he's posing, it's a profile photo
19:04:59 <Lintor> i ment that in the derogative fashion
19:06:42 <Avatar> there is no other way to say that
19:22:34 <Mekkis> Lintor, there was a ruling there somewhere
19:24:58 <Lintor> huh?
19:25:33 <Lintor> oh way back i was asking for a ruling on not having to attack for a benificial effect such as cure light
19:25:43 <Lintor> because i cant find a ruling on it
19:26:35 <Lintor> i am making a witch for my John D challenge
19:27:55 <Mekkis> does that actually count?
19:30:31 <Lintor> it is not a gunslinger or alchemist, it does not have any stats higher than 16 before racials, it does not have any stats below 8, it is good aligned and a good person, it is not a class from ACG. and its not a paladin because thats a cop out. all criteria meet
19:31:02 <Mekkis> assuming the hexes will be 'bad'?
19:32:13 <Avatar> a witch won't fit the John D challenge chief
19:32:19 <Avatar> not by a mile
19:32:46 <Lintor> it meets all the criteria he gave me
19:32:48 <Mekkis> that's what I was thinking
19:32:53 <Avatar> he forgot the witch
19:32:59 <Avatar> it's in the same class category
19:33:03 <Lintor> besides i am going to send him the character before i play it
19:33:16 <Avatar> tell him what class you are making and see what he says
19:33:30 <Avatar> $10 says witch isn't valid
19:46:44 <Lintor> i should have taken that bet because you sir would have just lost $10
19:53:34 <Avatar> did he say a witch is fine
19:54:50 <Lintor> yup
19:55:08 <Avatar> did you justify it a bit, or did you just say 'is a witch okay?'
19:56:27 <Lintor> just asked if witch was ok. he said yeah its a shit class but yeah
19:57:01 <Avatar> you will pull one over on him
19:58:25 <Lintor> nah i am playing a healing witch so taking like the healing hex.
19:58:31 <Lintor> prob fortune
19:58:36 <Lintor> maybe peace bond
20:00:52 <Avatar> I don't think fortune is very good
20:00:58 <Avatar> you might be able to use a rod to extend its use
20:02:04 <Lintor> with the spell that you can hit people with hexes more than once it gets good
20:04:19 <Lintor> also this is the challenge accepted character so he does not have to be op
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21:33:12 <Steven> hey hey
21:43:55 <Avatar> yo
21:45:54 <Steven> how goes it sir.
21:50:10 <Avatar> lovin it
21:50:33 <Steven> that is good to hear.
21:54:57 <Avatar> Lintor: even not being op, fortune is on the weak side
21:55:06 <Avatar> I'm not sure what spell you're talking about
21:55:23 <Mekkis> hex vulnerability i think
21:55:25 <Mekkis> in ACG
21:55:58 <Avatar> !spell hex vulnerability
21:56:01 <diebot> Avatar, GLOBE OF INVULNERABILITY abjuration ([]) sorcerer/wizard 6 1 standard action Range: 10 ft. Comp: V, S, M (a glass or crystal bead) Duration: 1 round/level (D) Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
21:56:01 <diebot> This spell functions like lesser globe of invulnerability, except that it also excludes 4th-level spells and spell-like effects.
21:56:08 <Avatar> doesn't exist
21:56:15 <Mekkis> haven't imported ACG yet
21:56:27 <Avatar> why
21:56:33 <Mekkis> <diebot> Mekkix200, HEX VULNERABILITY necromancy ([curse]) shaman 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. +5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, M (a drop of your blood) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Will negates SR:yes
21:56:33 <Mekkis> <diebot> The targeted creature becomes susceptible to a repeat use of your hexes, even if you could not otherwise target that creature with a particular hex for a certain time period. For example, normally after you target a creature with a charm hex, you cannot target it again for 1 day. But after casting this spell on a creature, you could try the charm
21:56:33 <Mekkis> <diebot> hex repeatedly as long as the spell persists. The end of this spell has no effect on any active or ongoing hex on a creature. Fox example, if the creature failed its save against a second use of your charm hex, it remains charmed for the normal duration, even if the spell expires before the hex does. Each subsequent casting of this spell on a
21:56:33 <Mekkis> <diebot> target within a 24-hour period gives the target a +4 bonus on its save against the spell and imposes a -4 penalty on your caster level check to overcome the target's spell resistance with this spell.
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