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00:13 <Ampera> Depends on the law. As I said, freedom is a trading game.
00:24 <Halcyon> Where, I'd argue (and so would others smarter than me), that countries like AU are more free than where you live.
00:35 <Ampera> I think it's a fair statement to not assume that one system of freedoms is applicable to all cultures and societies.
00:52 <Ampera> Sure, but that is because you like what you got out of the trade better than what you'd get from the US.
00:52 <Halcyon> Absolutely, you are correct.
01:08 <Ampera> It's the same reason why a muslim from Saudi Arabia could fairly say they believed they are the most free country in the world
01:16 <Ampera> despite both of us easily being able to agree that is certainly is not.
01:23 <Halcyon> Until they experience it elsewhere?
01:33 <Ampera> Saudis tend to be quite international and quite well traveled.
01:42 <Ampera> Lots of them study abroad and in western schools.
02:08 <Halcyon> I can't comment on Saudi's, but I know plenty of Muslims
02:09 <Ampera> The point I am trying to illustrate here is that a saudi can believe that they gain more from their trade of freedom than they lose
02:13 <Halcyon> My boss is one
02:28 <Ampera> Muslim and saudi are not the same thing. Most saudis are muslim, most muslims are not saudi
02:34 <Halcyon> I know that
03:04 <Ampera> The thing is, there are also plenty of saudis who quite fairly believe they live in one of the least free nations in the world
03:08 <Halcyon> My point being, I'm sure he would agree is he far more free here than in Lebanon
03:13 <Ampera> What is and is not free is never objective, it's an opinion.
03:24 <Ampera> Who is he?
03:33 <Ampera> your boss?
03:39 <Halcyon> Yes
03:45 <Halcyon> He is the CEO of the company I work for
03:48 <Ampera> That may be the case, but that doesn't mean all Lebanese would rather Australia
03:55 <Halcyon> Of course not
03:59 <Ampera> and that is my point
04:10 <Ampera> You can say that Australia is more free, but that doesn't mean you are /right/
04:24 <Ampera> it means you like what you gain more than what you lose in Australia than in the US
04:26 <Halcyon> Well, there is a general index of such things....
04:38 <Halcyon> Sure, you can pick apart small things, but generally speaking
04:46 <Ampera> No, that is where you are failing here.
04:56 <Ampera> You believe that your view of how the world should work is universal, and can generally be applied to everyone
05:26 <Ampera> If anything, that's the exact reason why colonialism was so awful (not to say you are responsible for or even associated with that, this is an analogy)
06:00 <Ampera> It was perpetrated by people who, quite often, genuinely believed they were a civilizing and freeing force, even if they destroyed systems of governance and cultures appreciated, or at least agreed to by its people.
06:05 <Halcyon> I mean, there are various metrics, they all are more or less the same.
06:44 <Ampera> Metrics of freedom are all subjective though. There are metrics for the quality of movies and video games too.
06:51 <Ampera> That doesn't mean they're correct, or even accurate to reality.
06:56 <Halcyon> They form a good basis
07:01 <Ampera> How so?
07:11 <Ampera> That is your opinion, not fact.
07:21 <Ampera> /you/ believe they are good, because you agree with them.
07:36 <Ampera> Why is another honest belief to the contrary incorrect?
07:55 <Halcyon> Well, depends on how they are measured, but I'd like to think that The Heritage Foundation and the various indexes which incorporate similar data are pretty accurate
08:08 <Ampera> accurate to what?
08:18 <Ampera> Public sentiment, or your personal viewpoints?
09:07 <Ampera> If there can be any honest metric of the quality of freedom, it should be a metric of people's satisfaction in their system of governance, relative to alternatives.
09:18 <Halcyon> My personal view has nothing to do with worldwide rankings of "freedom", be it economic, democratic, news and media, access to information, free speech or otherwise.
10:04 <Ampera> If the people of China believe sacrificing their personal privacy is worth safe neighborhoods, good public care, and one of the fastest growths in the standards of living ever seen, then that can be fair to them, even if it's not to us.
10:32 <Ampera> Sure, but the fact that you have to qualify ignores the fact that not all freedoms matter as much as others, to an observer.
10:51 <Halcyon> I'm not the one qualifying anything
11:03 <Ampera> You are. "be it economic, democratic, news and media, access to information, free speech or otherwise"
11:17 <Halcyon> I just happen to agree with what is generally regarded as fact, because I live and breathe it every day.
11:22 <Ampera> You are specifying individual metrics, and implying they are important.
11:34 <Halcyon> Granted, I've never lived in China or North Korea.
11:37 <Ampera> Generally regarded as fact are weasel words, though
11:44 <Halcyon> But I suspect I won't like it very much
11:53 <Ampera> It's the assertion that your viewpoint is accurate because you believe you are in the majority
12:14 <Ampera> If you lived in China, or elsewhere, your view may very well be in a sincere minority, and not so generally well regarded.
12:17 <Halcyon> My view is my view. I won't ever push that upon others.
12:25 <Ampera> You are though, right now.
12:37 <Halcyon> But my personal view is not what we've been discussing
12:41 <Halcyon> Not now, not ever
12:46 <Ampera> This entire conversation is an exchange of views, with a clear assertion of superiority
12:51 <Ampera> Why not? That is precisely what I am discussing.
13:02 <Halcyon> *shrug* Our police are better than yours? Prove me wrong.
13:05 <electrohead> this is still going on? lol
13:05 <Ampera> What is the point of a purely descriptive discussion with no points or debate?
13:17 <Ampera> electrohead, it's a better conversation than usual, though
13:25 <electrohead> :p
13:26 <Halcyon> True
13:37 <Halcyon> And I'm just about ready for bed. It's past midnight
13:49 * electrohead throws pillows at Halcyon
13:54 <Halcyon> Owww
14:01 <electrohead> lol
14:06 <Halcyon> If you knew how heavy and firm my pillows were, you wouldn't do that
14:19 <electrohead> heh
14:26 <electrohead> aren't they soft, though?
14:33 <Halcyon> They are latex
14:42 <Halcyon> Firm and hard
14:56 * electrohead inserts a sexual joke here
15:01 * Halcyon smirks
15:02 <EEVBot> (¬‿¬)
15:06 <Ampera> For what it's worth, there is quite a bit to hate about how the US is at the moment, and I make no statements that we are the better experience for everyone.
15:06 <electrohead> lol
15:06 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
15:11 <Halcyon> Easter egg?
15:28 <electrohead> nah, a feature of the bot :P
15:34 <electrohead> !help
15:35 <EEVBot> I've posted a list of my commands at https://clbin.com/pX6jn - You can see more info about any of these commands by doing .help <command> (e.g. .help time)
15:41 <Halcyon> Ampera, I hate the US for you, and most people (including myself) don't really care that much about politics.
15:46 <Ampera> I still prefer giving up certain probabilities of safety in exchange for a, relatively, lesser restriction of rights.
15:56 <Ampera> I don't hate the US. I think it's the best option for me at the moment.
16:05 <electrohead> !crazy
16:06 <EEVBot> ⊙_ʘ
16:08 <Ampera> There are things I hate about it, but I'm not sure that I really hate /any/ country
16:27 <Ampera> To say that I do implies that I unilaterally hate everything about it, and everyone in it.
16:28 <electrohead> I like the country, but hate the people
16:30 * electrohead shrugs
16:30 <EEVBot> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:36 <Halcyon> I haven't lived in any other country so I can't comment.
16:38 <Ampera> You like me, and I am in the US
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16:53 <Halcyon> But I happen to like my life here
16:59 <electrohead> most people, I should add :p
17:00 <Halcyon> So that's a thing I suppose?
17:01 <Ampera> Sure, and I like my life here.
17:19 <Halcyon> Ampera: I love you, I have to like you.
17:20 <Ampera> I do not like the US government. It's a broken system of governance that does a poor job of representing its people.
17:29 <Ampera> Halcyon, that is disgusting.
17:36 <Halcyon> Meh
17:43 * electrohead probes eddie
18:30 <eddie> oh no
18:33 <Ampera> However, I do like a lot of the people in the US. I like our legacy of trying to respect personal freedoms.
18:54 * eddie looks for Dave
19:00 <Halcyon> I just want two things: Fibre and my fucking car back
19:05 <Halcyon> (or a new car)
19:08 <electrohead> dave isn't much of an IRC person
19:14 <electrohead> Halcyon: get a WRX :P
19:19 <Halcyon> No way
19:26 <Ampera> Why not?
19:31 <Ampera> I actually really like my Impreza
19:32 <Halcyon> I'm not a bogan
19:39 <Ampera> You could've fooled me
19:45 <eddie> I am looking for the car to arrive here (and test drive first).. I do not buy cars sight unseen
19:50 <electrohead> can't go wrong with a turbo, all wheel drive, and a manual transmission
20:00 <Halcyon> You can keep your manual
20:25 <eddie> <- looking at going electric cause I have too much solar here
20:53 <Halcyon> Turbo and AWD are pretty standard on a lot of new cars these days
21:14 <Halcyon> Subaru's market in AU is pretty much old retirees and bogans.
21:30 <Halcyon> Oh and lesbians for some reason
21:38 <Ampera> I'm not sure what else I'd get besides a Subaru
21:50 <electrohead> heh, so .. I'm an old retired lesbian? today I learned
21:51 <Ampera> I suppose I'd buy a truck, maybe a Tundra or a Titan
21:52 <electrohead> :p
21:53 <Halcyon> If I had to buy a "mainstream" brand, I'd go for Kia
22:04 <Ampera> Kia is good. They make "an car"s
22:33 <Ysjoelfir> But.. Halcyon!
22:40 <Halcyon> Mmmm ?
22:41 <eddie> Halcyon I am getting fibre here soon.. also installing fibre between the back of the house to the hobby / electronics workshop to the house (study and the back radio shack).
22:43 <Ysjoelfir> Do you turn against Volvo?
22:52 <Halcyon> eddie, where is "here" ?
23:00 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, no, not at all.
23:04 <Halcyon> I'm looking at the new XC60
23:14 <eddie> at home where I live (near Joondalup WA)
23:24 <Halcyon> Oh you're in the bush :P
23:30 <eddie> nahh
23:38 <Halcyon> Actually, I can't talk
23:38 <Ysjoelfir> But you have one!
23:44 <eddie> 23km north of the city of Perth
23:44 <Halcyon> I'm literally surrounded by bush
23:50 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, I have an S60
23:56 <Ysjoelfir> I kjnow
24:03 <eddie> I am surrounded by houses all round
24:05 <Ysjoelfir> I still have my 940, but need to get rid of it
24:12 <Halcyon> Why need?
24:25 <Halcyon> I thought it was a good car, apart from a minor leak
24:28 * electrohead looks out his window, and spots chickens and emptiness
24:38 <Halcyon> electrohead, since when do you have chickens?
24:40 * electrohead hugs the Ysjoelfir
24:43 <Halcyon> Also, I need to go to bed
24:51 <electrohead> Halcyon: not my chickens, it's the chicken coup across the road
24:58 <Ysjoelfir> Its incontinent, again. also, its a manual, I need automatic, as the misses is only allowed to drive automatic, Halcyon
25:08 <Halcyon> Oh I see
25:21 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: why is she only allowed to drive an automatic?
25:23 <electrohead> lol
25:33 <electrohead> afraid she'll destroy the clutch? :p
25:49 <Halcyon> Anyway, love you all, I'm going to bed. It's past my bed time
25:57 <eddie> I have an HR class licence but as I have a stuffed left foot I have an Auto :(
25:58 <Halcyon> I was supposed to have an early night tonight
26:02 <Halcyon> That didn't happen
26:02 <Ysjoelfir> and since I fixed several leaks, the remaining places where it is leaking could basically only be the crank seals... which would be a 1500€ repair again, which is slightly more than I am willing to spend (again) for it :*(
26:08 <eddie> Halcyon where be you ?
26:18 <Halcyon> eddie: Blue Mountains
26:35 <eddie> okie the other side of the country then
26:40 <Halcyon> Very much so
27:10 <eddie> if things were normal I would now say the time is 17:26
27:30 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, thats because of germanys stupid laws. if you had less than 33% of the training hours on a manual car you get a mark in your license that says "only automatic"
27:36 <eddie> as I would have been on holiday in Europe (Netherland and Crete)
27:38 <electrohead> oh?
27:40 <electrohead> that's interesting
28:13 <Halcyon> You know what's funny, I can travel to NZ in less time than Perth
28:21 <Halcyon> It's just NZ requires a passport
29:05 <eddie> yep that is true, I can get to Bali faster and cheaper than going to Sydney (one wayt to Sydney) as well
29:34 <Halcyon> Insane
29:35 <Halcyon> Anyway
29:39 <Halcyon> Goodnight all
29:51 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead its getting revised, since new cars are basically always automatic, but since she made her license before that, she would need to take another 10 hours (roughly 60€ each) + another exam (300€) + fees (200€), which is just not worth it
29:52 <eddie> about $500 return to Bali with 6 days accomodation.
29:57 <eddie> cyas Halcyon
30:25 <Ysjoelfir> especially since she and I plan to make the big truck license some day together, than she will get the "upgrade" basically for free
31:02 <eddie> I have a "big" truck licence
31:40 <Ysjoelfir> in germany you can't make it from the start, you need to have some driving experience.
32:55 <eddie> Ysjoelfir like here, have to had a licence for I think it was 3 years (off probation) and at least 21 to get a truck licence here
33:20 * electrohead hugs Halcyon
33:28 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: damn, yeah that's not worth it then
34:20 <Ysjoelfir> isn't it?
36:52 <Ampera> I wonder how the manual/auto would apply to my license
37:00 <Ampera> since there is no such thing in the US, but I can absolutely drive a manual
43:40 <Ysjoelfir> The misses can also perfectly drive manual. She did it until the 9th hour, then corona came, and after that she only managed to get automatic hours
45:55 <electrohead> I hate driving automatics, as I'm so used to driving a manual
45:57 <electrohead> it fucks with me, lol
46:56 <eddie> I liked driving manual but my body said no more to the point my left foot is stuffed (torn tendon) so painful for me now :(
48:49 <Ampera> My left foot has never gotten sore from driving a manual, even from long-ish distances (120 mi or so)
49:07 <Ampera> It's my right foot that gets sore
49:10 <Ampera> thank god for cruise control :/
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49:47 <Ampera> I haven't driven an automatic since I've started driving my car. I'd have to think really hard about what I'm doing for a few minutes the next time I drive an auto, but then am probably fine after that
50:00 <Ampera> the main difference is that you don't have to ride brakes in a manual, whereas in an auto you kinda have to
50:35 <eddie> cruise control is great to try and save some fuel when driving
50:41 <Ampera> ^
51:03 <Ampera> primarily, it just makes it so I don't have to hover my foot on the pedal. Especially since it's throttle by wire, the pedal doesn't support my foot at all
51:14 <Ampera> so I basically am just holding it in mid air for hours
52:01 <Ampera> The throttle controller is probably the thing I dislike the most about my car.
54:28 * electrohead throttles Ampera
55:29 <Ampera> Looks like a US license is good in Germany to drive a manual transmission car
55:32 <eddie> burrr only 4.5 deg C here :(
56:06 <eddie> or 40.1 F
56:14 <eddie> Tuesday 09/08/2022 Time: 22:56:13
56:22 <eddie> umm bed time for me
56:32 <eddie> electrohead
56:38 <eddie> moo: CPU: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900 @ 2.50GHz (x64) at 2496MHz (7% Load)
56:55 <electrohead> nice :p
57:28 <eddie> not a bad bit of silicon just have to shut up the cooling.. the AIO fans spin up too often
57:41 <LordGeir> https://imgur.com/a/XzgUvuO
57:41 <EEVBot> [url] Juicy carb, now running - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
57:59 <LordGeir> rust1 / rust_collector: This yours? :P
58:22 <Ampera> eddie, I just bought a 12900K to make a server out of
58:23 <eddie> have a Noctua NH-U12A Multi Socket PWM CPU Cooler ready to install
58:42 <eddie> okie Ampera
58:42 <Ampera> my laptop has an 8 core i7 (i7 and i9 were the same part just binned different) from 11th gen too
58:48 * Ampera is team intel at the moment \o/
59:01 <Ampera> only other machine is an SP8 which has 11th gen i7 4 core
59:11 <eddie> I have all kinds of CPUs but most are intel
59:35 <Ampera> Oh I have all kinds too, it's just of the three machines I use regularly (not counting my phone), they all just happen to be Intel at the moment
59:40 <eddie> I have an i5 linux machine.. as well as a few other machines here
59:48 <eddie> moo: hdd: C:\ 392.29GB/476.31GB D:\ 1.1TB/1.82TB E:\ 2.43TB/3.64TB F:\ 482.54GB/512.09GB
59:57 <Ampera> Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz (2.30GHz) • Memory: Physical: 61.1 GiB Total (15.4 GiB Free) Swap: 13.1 GiB Total (13.1 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.6 TB / 5.7 TB (4.1 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB] @ Intel Corporation 11th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 5
00:01 <Ampera> This is my laptop right now
00:13 <eddie> all of those are SSDs F: is a pair of 275Gb in raid 0
00:20 <Ampera> that storage count is incorrect, I only have 3TB of storage (3x1TB NVMe)
00:30 <Ampera> things aren't too good at reporting ZFS storage sizes
00:46 <Ampera> Every machine I own runs Linux except the SP8 (and that may change some day too)
00:58 <Ampera> My server has 80TB of disks, and 3TB of NVMe, along with 64GB of RAM
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01:18 <Tintin> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: LinuxMint "ulyana" 20 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz (1.16GHz) • Memory: Physical: 14.2 GiB Total (6.5 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (475.5 MiB Free) • Storage: 133.5 GB / 1.9 TB (1.8 TB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 630 @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 17w 5d 11h 23m
01:35 <eddie> Tintin is is my linux machine..
01:39 <Ampera> iirc 7000 is kaby lake?
01:55 <eddie> yes I think that is right.
02:30 <eddie> I have had that for a while now..
02:53 <eddie> reminds me.. I will order 8 new hard disks for my NAS tomorrow
03:02 <Ampera> Only other machine I sometimes use is my DAW, which is an iMac from 2011 with a sandy bridge i5 (2000 series)
03:07 <Ampera> nice, which ones?
03:14 * LordGeir thinking: Should I buy a R Pi 4, just to have, to play around with? MITM and stuff
03:16 <eddie> I would love to use SSDs but 8 would kill my savings
03:34 <Ampera> I have a supplier that's selling 6TB HGST UltraStars at 10$/TB
04:21 <Ampera> I occasionally buy a few and add them to my server
04:29 <Ampera> my ultimate goal at the moment is 20x6TB
04:40 <eddie> WD Red Pro WD2002FFSX 3.5" 2TB because the firmware in the nas will not support volumes greater than 16tb
04:41 <Ampera> but I currently have 8x6TB, 6x4TB, 3x2TB, and 3x1TB
04:50 <Ampera> ouch
05:05 <Ampera> it's still funny we are running into capacity limits in the modern day
05:19 <Ampera> I had a SAS controller (admittedly it was from 2010-ish) that only supported volumes up to 2TB
05:36 <Ampera> I have machines that don't support drives past 8GB :/
05:57 <eddie> buy I do not need that much space I keep trimming my videos off the NAS once I have the raw files all edited and the raw files backed up to Bluray disks
06:10 <Ampera> you backup to bluray?
06:12 <Ampera> sounds expensive
06:14 <eddie> yep
06:45 <eddie> nahh I had a 100 given to me for free and 300 DL dvds as well given to me
07:20 <eddie> and another 200 normal 4?Gb DVDs
07:35 <eddie> not as if I am short of media
09:17 <Ampera> 100 BD-Rs?
09:21 <Ampera> or did they make BD-RW
09:23 <Ampera> I forget
09:29 <eddie> might have to get rid of some of the external hdds here.. and keep the 4 8+tb drives and erase the 6Tb and 4Tb externals..
09:43 <eddie> no RW of those
09:49 <Ampera> still, even with BD-XL, that's only 100GB/disc
10:08 <Ampera> I am actually currently evaluating my last archival tier of data backup
10:18 <Ampera> I've considered LTO, but that's expensive and requires manual tape feeding.
10:52 <Ampera> I think I will probably look into all the object storage options again and see if I can get a good balance between storage and egress costs
11:01 <eddie> true, but 100Gb is ok for archiving stuff that I might never look at again.. I usually cut up media that I have not used etc for more than 5 years
11:27 <electrohead> I'd still like to purchase quite a few DL DVD's and such, just to have on hand
11:34 <eddie> I had a tape system here a few years ago and it was cumbersome and slow.
11:49 <Ampera> I used to use DVDs and CDs and floppies a lot a few years ago
11:54 <Ampera> I haven't been needing them recently, though
12:19 <Ampera> I have a very nice flashed external UHD-BR drive, but rarely use it
12:29 <eddie> I still have a stack of Cds here usefull some times for old (like very old) hardware
12:41 <eddie> umm
12:43 <Ampera> I have a machine or two that can't boot from CD :D
13:08 <Ampera> only option is hard disk or floppy
13:09 * eddie waves a stack of 10 boxes of brand new floppies
13:27 <Ampera> I actually, if I could find a good supply, would love to try out Jaz drives for my old machines
13:40 <Ampera> the dream is every machine with SCSI and access to some sort of large capacity easily removable storage
14:12 <eddie> 1.44Mb ones, I also still have 2 5.25" floppy drives and 2 boxes of 1.2Mb floppies
17:09 <eddie> anyways it be bed time as I have to be awake too early in the morning.. have a pickup to do early and then have to install the UPS after I get it..
17:12 <eddie> night all
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35:48 <electrohead> my ceramic tipped tweezers are broke, wtf
35:58 <electrohead> part of the ceramic broke, and I have no idea how
36:00 <electrohead> irritating.
57:32 <K> it had enough
28:43 <electrohead> apparently so :p
29:05 <electrohead> Ampera: I have the pinephone taken apart, and I'll be replacing the switches for the USB-C VCONN fix
30:21 <Ampera> nice
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49:50 <LordGeir> Apologies if the mobile user goes offline once again; I'm trying to get it to stay online in the background on my phone... (It's set to not auto reconnect, so it won't spam=
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53:01 <LordGeir> Damn... As soon as the screen is turned off, the client disconnects :(
53:08 * LordGeir cries
53:08 <EEVBot> ( p′︵‵。)
55:42 <Kuschelpony> meh
00:38 <Ampera> LordGeir, if you want a ZNC I run one
03:08 <LordGeir> Ampera: I have never used a ZNC (I haven't used IRC in well over a decade, until I found this channel). But it looks like a ZNC is the only option I have because of restrictions put in place by Apple
06:00 <Ampera> LordGeir, it allows basic things like getting an automatic backlog when connecting and such.
06:27 <Ampera> I run one under the provision of its uptime not being assured. Its uptime tends to be decent, but if I am performing maintenance or need to reboot, it will go down.
07:00 <LordGeir> I read up a bit on it now, and seems ideal for my purposes
07:34 <LordGeir> I don't have a *nix server running at the moment, so I don't have an install of it personally
09:17 <Ampera> If it gets enough people using it I may put it on a VPS or something
10:53 <LordGeir> I'm be interested in testing it out, for sure!
16:11 <Ampera> Alright, message me a username and a temp password, I'll give you login details (you can reset password yourself later)
16:41 <Ampera> Just be aware, if you enable the "backlog" or "playback" extensions, they will write logs that I could potentially read, I simply promise not to.
17:28 <LordGeir> Awesome :) No worries about the security, I accept that fully!
17:49 <LordGeir> I'll msg you now, and I can test it in a little bit
19:32 <electrohead> I already have two VPS's with ZNC instances, if that helps
20:03 <electrohead> Ampera: yo these parts are small as fuck, heh. I have the old ones removed, though :D
20:13 <electrohead> awaiting for that area of the PCB to cool down
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50:55 <LordGeir_mobile> Uhm, did that join msg show in the channel, or just locally here? If "global" I need to tweak some stuff
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59:44 <LordGeir> Kuschelpony: Thanks! Luckily, that was only the original ZNC connection login, and not the second or third.
00:01 <LordGeir> Ampera: It's working nicely :D Huge thanks!!!
07:21 <Ampera> sounds good
08:48 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
08:54 * Ysjoelfir finished shaving and showering
08:58 * Ysjoelfir feels clean now
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51:19 <Nothing\> the hell... I just noticed hexchat loads a plugin called fishlim when it joins here
51:38 <Nothing\> i don't recall installing any plugins. I didn't even know you could.
51:57 <Nothing\> last irc plugins i used were ones i wrote myself in MIRCscript lol
52:24 <Nothing\> remember remote scripts? alias? popups?
52:51 <Nothing\> man mircscript was actually pretty easy to use
53:31 <Nothing\> i understand it was very limited but i never had any such issues as i didn't use it too in depth
01:36 <electrohead> Ampera: looks like a I got the new switches soldered on, fuck yes
07:50 <electrohead> like I *
08:00 <Ampera> electrohead, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAeRROlCL5E
08:01 <EEVBot> [url] Master of Puppets-METALLICA drum cover - YouTube | www.youtube.com
10:49 <electrohead> rofl
11:13 <Ampera> it's a good fuckin cover
19:01 <Nothing\> lol i just found a fun way to deal with telemarketers
19:03 <LordGeir> Ampera: That's actually kinda impressive, doing that with that setup
19:15 <LordGeir> (I was a drummer for many years :P )
19:16 <Nothing\> every time they ask a question, just say nothing, absolutely nothing.
19:33 <Nothing\> like one just called asking to speak to my mum, every time she asked all she got was silence
20:06 <Nothing\> even though i made it very apparent i could hear her and she could hear me. I made every effort to let her know the connection was fine and i was just ignoring her.
20:21 <Nothing\> but only when she asked questions, otherwise i spoke to her perfectly normally
20:28 <rust_collector> do they still call, and ask if they can speak to your mom?
20:36 <Nothing\> it's her phone
20:46 <Nothing\> i don't need a phone so i don't have one
20:48 <LordGeir> Nothing\: When they call (luckily rarely as of late), I usually say: "Oh hi, could you hold for 2 sec, I need to turn off the TV?" Then I mute the call and just let it "float"
21:02 <rust_collector> hello little boy, can I speak with an adult?
21:44 <LordGeir> rust_collector: Did you see the picture I posted earlier, and asked if it was yours?
21:59 <Nothing\> LordGeir, i like to talk real quiet, barely audible, get them to turn their headset up, then after a few minutes of them struggling once I knew they've turned the volume up, I blast them in the ear with an audio waveform generator
22:19 <rust_collector> no.
22:23 <Nothing\> something like an FM modulated tone at 4000hz
22:27 <LordGeir> https://imgur.com/a/XzgUvuO
22:27 <EEVBot> [url] Juicy carb, now running - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
22:30 <Nothing\> can't be too high or it won't go trhough
22:52 <Nothing\> i dunno if phone companies still limit the bandwidth on phone calls to like 4khz but that's how it used to be
22:57 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF-vKDFk8aQ
22:57 <EEVBot> [url] Taco Bell Bacon Breakfast Crunchwrap Sausage - YouTube | www.youtube.com
22:59 <LordGeir> Sweetspot around 10-12kHz?
23:35 <Nothing\> i forget the exact number, but the audio on phones usually cut off at a few khz since no human voice ever goes that high so they can squeeze more channels into one line
23:49 <LordGeir> I think the "limit" was increased years ago, at least on 4G calls
23:56 <Nothing\> LordGeir, as nice as that would be, at least with old fashioned POTS 10khz wouldn't go through
24:41 <LordGeir> I remember we (the company I used to work for) had insane trouble because we used old (they were new at the time) GSM transmitters, to transmit signals to us
24:46 <Nothing\> LordGeir, yeah i would imagine with digital it would have increased. But at the same time, there's really no reason TO increase it. And increasing it would effectively cut the number of customers they can serve in half. Which certainly wouldn't make them any money or fix anything anyone cares about.
25:11 <Nothing\> which is why i'm reluctant to say for certain that they've increased it since the digital switch. Otherwise I'd say it's a given that they'd increase it
26:32 <Nothing\> cuz if you think about it, if each line carried up to say, 6khz, and then you switched to digital service and expanded that to 12khz, that same number of customers would be using twice as much bandwidth. Which might not be a lot, I don't know. But it's twice as much as what they'd be using otherwise. And I know that companies don't like to spend money for no good reason.
26:38 <Nothing\> companies as an entity, that is
26:58 <Nothing\> they're actually the perfect sociopath if you anthropomorphize them
27:12 <Nothing\> they exist solely to make money at literally any cost, even human life
27:24 <Nothing\> even the lives of the people that run it
27:50 <Nothing\> ie when Harvey Weinstein was fired from his own company that he founded and had his friggin name on it because he was a disgusting rapist
28:02 <Nothing\> lol last i heard he's looking at something like 30 years
28:16 <Nothing\> i think he was just sentenced to 20 and then came up on some fresh charges but who knows.
28:33 <Nothing\> or maybe that was the sentence he was facing
29:29 <Nothing\> see the news always reports on these #metoo incidents. But they never friggin follow up with them so you have no idea what happened to the creeps. Whether they got away with it. If they just paid off their victims. If there were civil cases etc etc.
30:05 <Nothing\> the only one they ever seemed to follow up on was prince andrew, and i guarantee they wouldn't have if he weren't royalty
30:20 <Nothing\> well, that and the way he stuck his foot and half his leg in his mouth
30:23 <Nothing\> on national tv
30:34 <Nothing\> and he never broke a sweat!
30:37 <Nothing\> =P
30:47 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) EOF from client
31:04 <Nothing\> *sigh* i'm bored, can you tell?
31:06 <rust_collector> I thought they were done with the meetwo thing. I have not heard anything in a year or two
31:52 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i think they basically are. At least as a meme or a newsworthy item. But there are still lots of high profile sexual assault cases being investigated or prosecuted.
32:13 <arch> T3sl4, did you see the updated meme? https://i.imgur.com/WdfVbos.jpg
32:22 <Nothing\> like i said, Weinstein's still got charges pending but I don't think anyone cares about that because it's already a given that he's going away for the rest of his life.
32:26 <T3sl4> uwu
32:35 <rust_collector> sure, they have 20% of canada to put in jail,
32:44 <arch> :3
33:07 <Nothing\> The guy's so fat and old, he'd never live 20 years even in freedom. Nevermind in federal pen being a high profile rapist. Everybody in there, guards and inmates will want to be the guy who killed harvey weinstein.
33:17 <Nothing\> or at the very least will want to mess him up bad.
33:35 <Nothing\> a lot of prisoners are in there as an indirect result of sexual abuse they endured
33:50 <Nothing\> get abused as a kid and grow up to be mal-adapted, that sorta thing.
34:13 <Nothing\> so even if it wasn't child-related I think a rapist in general is gonna have a hard time in prison.
34:30 <arch> original oc https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4vYfQxU0AAhibm.jpg
34:37 <Nothing\> then again, abuse is so common... so you have to wonder how that works.
34:56 <Nothing\> i mean you woulde xpect them to despise the act, but they seem to do it on a regular basis
35:14 <Nothing\> not that you can generalize people to that degree but for these purposes i think it's okay
35:41 <rust_collector> what purpose?
36:18 <Nothing\> hrm, determining what the general consensus on the morality of sexual abuse is among north american prisoners
36:29 <Nothing\> by opening a dialogue on the subject
36:33 <Nothing\> yes, that will do
36:57 <Nothing\> seriously though i am kind of curious about it now that i think about it
37:09 <Nothing\> just on account of how paradoxical it seems
37:28 <Nothing\> but i get the sense this is one of those things i'd be better off not looking into
38:03 <Nothing\> just reading the news lately i come across sick stuff where i know from the headline i'll probably regret reading it, and then of course i do.
38:20 <Nothing\> i guess not even sick stuff. Just typical stressful world news type stuff.
39:27 <rust_collector> yes. me too
40:32 <Nothing\> but prison stuff does trigger me. Which has made me realize that North American culture seems to have some weird obsession with crime and prison. I'm constantly coming across documentaries or youtube videos or netflix series or whatever about crime and prison.
40:37 <rust_collector> it is a bit sad, when you read a page of something, and you know 98% of what it says is just lies, or if not lies, at least so out of context, that it does not mean anything
41:03 <rust_collector> yes, it is a weird system there. but they are a special people
41:21 <Nothing\> and even on the news, most of the stories on the news are about crime. Somebody being arrested. Somebody committing a crime. Somebody getting away with a crime. Some apalling crime we should be angry about. I guarantee you open google news right now you'll see an article about crime of some sort.
42:03 <rust_collector> **sighs**
42:56 <rust_collector> sure, aunt roger over by the park, was outside watering his flowers, that is not really news
42:56 <Nothing\> rust_collector, in the case of determining accuracy.... well I was gonna say majority seems like the best way to go. Ie if 10 sources report on the same story, it probably happened. But what usually happens is 1 place reports on a story, then the other 9 just report on the first article. Not the actual story itself.
43:32 <Nothing\> it's like this one channel on youtube I found where the content was just videos about hackaday articles, which are about other articles.
43:47 <Nothing\> or just how hackaday's content is 90% just articles about other articles.
43:50 <Nothing\> or blog posts
45:04 <Nothing\> rust_collector, I may have told you this, but that whole myth about how you eat X number of spiders per year in your sleep got started the same way. Ironically as part of a study to see if or how well a piece of false information will propagate through media like that. I forget.
45:27 <Nothing\> i'm sure there are a million sites that could describe it better than me and have no doubt you know where to find them. So...
46:23 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol i still keep getting shit (let's face it that's what it is) about Amber Heard and/or Johnny Depp
46:26 <rust_collector> and, bacause there is a million sites, you believe them more?
46:45 <LordGeir> If you haven't seen this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(1981_film) I highly suggest watching it (if you can find it)
46:46 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] The Wave (1981 film) | "The Wave is a made-for-TV movie directed by Alex Grasshoff, based on The Third Wave experiment put on by teacher Ron Jones to explain to his students how the German populace could accept the actions of the Nazi regime. It debuted October 4, 1981, and almost two years later as an ABC Afterschool Special. It starred Bruce Davison as the teacher Ben Ross, a character based on Jones."
46:54 <Nothing\> like a few days ago there was an article about how Johnny Depp explained to Christina Ricci what it meant to be gay when she was 9
47:02 <Nothing\> it wasn't even news
47:04 <Nothing\> or a good story
47:06 <Nothing\> it was just
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47:14 <LordGeir> It's a film based on an experiment that took place, and it says something about mass suggestion
47:35 <Nothing\> "there was something in the movie about it so i ased him and he said it's when a man wants to have sex with a man and a woman wants to have sex with a woman"
47:39 <Nothing\> that's the whole story
48:39 <rust_collector> LordGeir that is probably a better movie suggestion, than I have seen here in a while.
48:49 <Nothing\> they're basically just latching on to any story they can get where they can put either of their names in the headline
49:09 <rust_collector> when I suggest a movie, Nothing\ just downloads it, and buys a game, and ignores the movie, lol
49:39 <LordGeir> rust_collector: I saw that movie back in ungdomsskolen in the mid 90s. I still remember it vividly to this day
49:49 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i've still got life of brian
49:50 <rust_collector> okay
49:54 <Nothing\> i almost watched it a couple of weeks ago
50:11 <Nothing\> keep in mind though i only watch like 1 or 2 movies every few monhs
50:13 <Nothing\> months
50:25 <Nothing\> i still have The Great Dictator, as well
50:28 <Nothing\> see, i remember
50:30 <Nothing\> =)
50:50 <rust_collector> hah! you had that on a postit note, lol
50:51 <Nothing\> i feel there was a 3rd one you recommended but can't recall
51:04 <rust_collector> I think those were the important ones
51:20 <Nothing\> lol no i just happen to remember random trivial things with incredible accuracy
51:29 <Nothing\> but it's totally random and trivial, so it's useless lol
51:43 <Nothing\> it's just amusing to people when they notice.
52:11 <Nothing\> it doesn't happen often but it's like an autist describing something from photographic memory
52:31 <Nothing\> which, i didn't know autist was a word but according to hexchat's dictionary, it is
53:01 <Nothing\> but how is a brit to know when someone's talking about an autist or an artist
53:22 <rust_collector> I just assume they are the same thing
53:22 <Nothing\> heaven forbid they should befriend an artistic autist
53:29 <Nothing\> haha they probably are
53:49 <Nothing\> i dunno that it's got anything to do with autism, but i used to get synesthesia when i played piano
53:49 <rust_collector> well, time to go outside.
54:07 <Nothing\> i would see the music in my head as a 1 dimensional path
54:23 <Nothing\> looping, zig zagging, splitting, etc
54:41 <Nothing\> rust_collector, aright man. Have fun. Don't get eaten by bugs.
54:56 <Nothing\> i should do the same. tend to the plants.
55:10 <Nothing\> found out my big pot plant's a male so i'm gonna have to kill him :/
55:30 <Nothing\> i almost wanna keep growing it even if it does spoil the females
56:06 <Nothing\> it's just been cool growing this thing from a seed. I've never grown anything. Much less something from a seed up to an almost 2 foot tall bush
58:00 <Nothing\> it's weird the way seeds are like, a little packet of material with instructions that execute automatically to turn it into a factory that turns dirt, light, air and water into say, apples. Or a cabbage patch kid.
58:38 <electrohead> gah, arch left
58:53 <electrohead> T3sl4: updated meme once again: https://i.imgur.com/rXgKisr.jpg
59:09 <rust1> arch leaves all the time, he will be back
59:14 <T3sl4> that camera better be loaded with film
59:37 <electrohead> lol
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00:27 <rust1> ta daa!
04:27 <rust1> for the arch https://i.imgur.com/rXgKisr.jpg
04:51 <arch> i think that should be for electrohead. he's supposed to be filming
14:22 <electrohead> heh
14:27 <electrohead> you know I made that, yeah?
14:32 <electrohead> err, edited that
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31:20 <electrohead> oh wait
31:27 <electrohead> fuckng reading fail
31:37 <electrohead> don't mind me, I'm doing like 5 different things right now
31:56 * T3sl4 films
32:02 <rust1> I compensate by only doing half of one thing, it is ok
32:03 * electrohead beers T3sl4
32:10 * T3sl4 beers too
32:21 <electrohead> so, lab table is cleaned up, just need to get that pinephone put back together, and have to test it
32:23 * T3sl4 toasts rust1
32:26 <electrohead> yays
33:45 <arch> electrohead, i got myself a pinephone a few weeks ago myself
33:57 <arch> it runs docker containers pretty nicely
34:10 <arch> i enabled zram as well
34:22 <arch> however...the UI is sluggish af
34:30 <arch> crappy user experience as a phone
34:38 <arch> good as a server though
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34:58 <arch> then again, allwinner CPUs aren't exactly known for being powerhorses
36:07 <electrohead> what hardware revision do you have?
36:33 <electrohead> I have 1.2, ubports edition, courtesy of Ampera
36:38 <Nothing\> lovely
36:53 <electrohead> he sent me it a while back, and I'm finally replacing the two switches for VCONN
37:19 <arch> idk which revision, but it's the one with 3GB RAM. beta edition which includes the docking adapter
37:33 <Nothing\> had to stop my cat from eating some random crap off the floor. Went to pull it out of her mouth and at first it's just a couple of hairs, but I wound up pulling this big dust bunny of hair she had halfway down her throat that she was trying to swallow the rest of the way when I found her.
37:47 <Nothing\> It wouldn't have worried me but it was like a foot long
38:05 <Nothing\> all tangled like a rope, with a big clump that was down her throat
38:25 <Nothing\> i could see pulling it out her rear end if she didn't puke it out as a hairball
40:36 <electrohead> arch: oh nice, yeah I'm getting this working cause I'm just sick and tired of my main phone, that's not rooted or anything. plus the screen is cracked like a fuck, heh
41:12 <arch> im rocking a Nexus 5 from 2013 :D
41:30 <electrohead> I have one of those!
41:37 <arch> unfortunately its battery is at the end of its life, and all the "new" bats i get off ebay suck ass
41:39 <electrohead> err, wait, the 5x
41:52 <electrohead> I wish I could still use my N900 as a phone
41:53 <arch> the best part is, you can put PostmarketOS on the Nexus5
41:54 <electrohead> :/
42:20 <arch> once my android 8.1 or whatever it's running is dead, im putting PMOS on it
42:38 <electrohead> do you remember the nokia N900?
45:57 <arch> i do, but never had one of em
48:19 <electrohead> I miss it, as a phone
48:45 <arch> let's see..i used to use a flip phone all the way up to 2012
49:01 <arch> dumbphone*
49:06 <electrohead> nice :)
50:10 <arch> those were the good times. no duck face, no cringe tiktok challenges, no twatter
50:35 <arch> now i just blanket ban em on my firewall
51:08 <electrohead> lmao, same :P
51:49 <electrohead> there are a few times, that I follow twitter links for projects I come across or whatnot, and that's accessing twitter via my vpn connection
52:00 <electrohead> but yeah, locally I have a fuck ton of sites blocked
52:11 <arch> exactly. or just make a vlan where it's allowed and you are forced to swap the cable or wifi conn
52:13 <electrohead> for facebook and friends, I have the whole ASN blocked
53:42 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
55:30 <electrohead> fucking neat - https://hackaday.com/2022/08/09/student-competition-badge-bears-custom-silicon/
55:31 <EEVBot> [url] Student Competition Badge Bears Custom Silicon | Hackaday | hackaday.com
57:00 <arch> hmm im trying to get the hang of zfs. it's kind of confusing compared to lvm. or maybe im just dumb
04:00 <electrohead> lol
04:05 <electrohead> I never mucked with zfs yet
04:15 <electrohead> I stick with ext4 for just about everything
05:18 <electrohead> this is nice - https://wiki.tizen.org/SDWire
05:21 <EEVBot> [url] SDWire - Tizen Wiki | wiki.tizen.org
24:54 <arch> electrohead, did you know, mdadm raid does NOT by default have data integrity checking?
25:02 <arch> therefore ZFS is a better solution
25:20 <electrohead> yeah I knew that
25:28 * electrohead looks at his raid 5 server
25:42 <arch> well, i did not know that until a week ago
27:13 <electrohead> I need this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/373830173106
27:14 <EEVBot> [url] Fixture Flywire Chip Data Repair Test SD Memory Card Test Adapter for PC3000 | eBay | www.ebay.com
27:33 <electrohead> and that's one of the cheaper ones I can find
28:52 <arch> i, too, want random things...but then i have to worry about filling up my room with randomly hoarded junk
29:15 <arch> when are you honestly do data recovery on a sd card?
29:23 <arch> you can get 128GB microsds for $16 these days
29:59 <electrohead> because it's fun?
30:03 * electrohead recovers arch
30:08 <arch> whatever's on sd/microsd cards are disposable for the most part anyways. you take pics on em, or vids, mostly. not worth salvaging \o/
30:53 <electrohead> well, I've been having more and more people come to me, to recover data for them
31:10 <electrohead> and, I totally forsee people approaching me eventually, with completely fucked SD cards
31:15 <electrohead> so, I want to be ready
31:28 <electrohead> plus, that piece of hardware would be handy for a lot more, than just SD cards
31:37 <rust1> I guess you can use that thing for not sd cards too
34:34 <electrohead> yup
34:38 <electrohead> and this is great - https://www.amazon.com/Apricorn-Hardware-Encrypted-Portable-A25-3PL256-2000/dp/B007JGB0BQ/
34:41 <EEVBot> [url] Amazon.com: Apricorn 500GB Aegis Padlock USB 3.0 256-bit AES XTS Hardware Encrypted Portable External Hard Drive (A25-3PL256-500) : Electronics | www.amazon.com
37:59 <arch> electrohead, https://xkcd.com/538/
38:00 <EEVBot> [xkcd] Security | Alt-text: Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets. (Also, I would be hard-pressed to find that wrench for $5.)
45:12 <electrohead> lmao, I love that one
45:34 <electrohead> and, "this is great" == my curiosity peeks, in terms of how 'secure' that actually is
46:10 <electrohead> my first thought - a hardware keylogger, as the buttons themselves aren't encrypted, heh
48:08 <electrohead> https://xkcd.com/what-if-2/
48:09 <EEVBot> [url] What if? 2: Additional Serious Scientific Answers to Absurd Hypothetical Questions | xkcd.com
48:11 <electrohead> ooooo
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24:47 <jaymax> wewww
26:35 <electrohead> !beer jaymax
26:36 * EEVBot bathes jaymax in beer
27:15 <rust_collector> that has to be good for skin and hair. and the little bubbles bubbling
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27:32 <electrohead> !beer Koshka
27:33 * EEVBot viciously drowns Koshka in a vat of warm, putrid beer
27:40 <electrohead> ew, no
27:43 <electrohead> !beer Koshka
27:43 * EEVBot viciously drowns Koshka in a vat of warm, putrid beer
27:47 <electrohead> o.o
27:53 <electrohead> third times the charm?
27:55 <electrohead> !beer Koshka
27:55 * EEVBot chucks a beer at Koshka's face
28:03 <electrohead> yeah that's a tiny bit better, lol
28:07 <Ysjoelfir> grrrrrrrrrrrr
28:20 <Ysjoelfir> why the heck can't I reach my raspi thing that does the Klipper thing?
28:22 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: hey now, hoegaarden tastes good warm
28:30 <electrohead> oof
28:33 <electrohead> what's going on?
28:48 * electrohead solders his klipper to Ysjoelfir's klipper
28:49 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno, if I knew I wouldn't be annoyed that its not working xD
28:57 <electrohead> can you ping it?
29:10 <Ysjoelfir> no
29:29 <rust_collector> try to turn it on?
29:33 <Ysjoelfir> it is
29:38 <Ysjoelfir> I even restarted it twice
29:45 <rust_collector> mmhmm, yes yes
29:47 <electrohead> lol
30:23 <electrohead> hook up via video or serial, and see what's going on?
30:36 <rust_collector> look in the router, and see if it is there?
30:49 <Ysjoelfir> its in the router, and I don't have a video or serial near it
30:51 <rust_collector> just guessing it is a network thingie
31:04 <Koshka> o.o
31:10 <Koshka> I'll get you for that!
31:13 <rust_collector> and, it has not replaced its ip or anything
31:14 * Koshka dons a parachute and jumps down EEVBot 's throat.
31:14 * Koshka carefully places a slug in EEVBot 's hair as a gesture of goodwill.
31:15 * Koshka puts EEVBot  between two slices of bread and eats them.
31:15 * Koshka slaps EEVBot  around a bit with a large trout.
31:15 * Koshka guns EEVBot  down with a water gun.
31:16 * Koshka picks EEVBot  up with his teeth and drags her/him to The Corner. "Now you sit here and think about what you've done, young lady!"
31:18 * Koshka dons a parachute and jumps down EEVBot 's throat.
31:18 * Koshka carefully places a slug in EEVBot 's hair as a gesture of goodwill.
32:08 * rust_collector eats some more cabbage slop
32:52 <electrohead> lmfao
33:07 <electrohead> so as you could probably tell, I don't have the sopel bot to respond to much (yet!)
33:31 <rust_collector> ok, what are you talking about now?
33:43 <electrohead> the bot used to be coded in java, that was Ampera's baby. I then made a port (ish) to python. recently, I moved to sopel
34:03 <rust_collector> sopel...
34:21 <rust_collector> mmkay
34:56 <rust_collector> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sopel
34:57 <EEVBot> [url] sopel - Wiktionary | en.wiktionary.org
35:12 <rust_collector> sounds about right
36:05 <rust_collector> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/pl:sopel
36:06 <EEVBot> [url] Sopel - Wikiwand | www.wikiwand.com
37:09 <rust_collector> !time *horse pingping
37:09 <EEVBot> rust_collector: Could not find timezone "*horse pingping". Try one from https://sopel.chat/tz
37:31 <rust_collector> that is not idea, is it?
37:34 <rust_collector> ideal
38:43 <Koshka> never even heard of Sopel before o.O
39:43 <Ampera> electrohead murdered my baby :/
39:48 * Ampera pets Koshka 
40:53 * Koshka purrs
41:06 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, i sent you a screenshot of the output of the thing
41:09 <Ampera> I like that nick
41:10 <Ysjoelfir> thats all, than it stops
41:28 <Ampera> reminds me of the few months that I had russian classes
41:35 <Ampera> I am occasionally tempted to try to learn the language again
50:23 <Koshka> it's a very fun language
50:26 <Koshka> very "fluid"
50:38 <Koshka> lots of different ways to say specific words depending on your feelings towards what/who you're talking about
18:30 <rust_collector> and if you are large and named olga, you can just go outside on the lawn, and talk loud enough to not need a phone
33:17 * T3sl4 steals Koshka's kishka
34:23 <Ampera> Koshka, I agree. The alphabet, the sound, the people who speak it
38:06 <Halcyon> Morning crumpets
38:12 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
38:14 <Ampera> how are you do fren?
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38:37 <Halcyon> I'm OK, tired, how's you?
39:23 <Ampera> woke af
39:57 <electrohead> o/
40:01 <electrohead> back for now
40:05 <electrohead> hey gurls hey
40:06 * Halcyon hugs electrohead 
40:08 <Halcyon> Heyyyy
40:51 * electrohead hugs Halcyon's face
41:24 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: eww, that doesn't look good
41:57 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, yeah, but it stopped doing that
42:06 <Ysjoelfir> now its not booting at all anymore. no image out on 3 pis.
42:20 <Ysjoelfir> looks like the card is corrupt
42:25 <electrohead> ouch. :/
42:35 <electrohead> have you swapped the SD card yet?
42:45 <Ysjoelfir> I only have that one card
42:48 Quit: Some_Person ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
42:58 <Ysjoelfir> I actually bought it specially for using it in the pi
43:13 <electrohead> sounds like you need another card :p
43:23 <Ysjoelfir> can't i fix it?
43:49 <rust_collector> I assume it is just the data, and not the card itself?
44:01 <rust_collector> (probably)
45:32 <electrohead> try dd'ing the data of the sd card, to a file
45:38 <Ysjoelfir> eh?
45:46 <rust_collector> lol
45:52 * Ysjoelfir hammers d on his keyboard
45:56 <Ysjoelfir> dddddddddddd
46:10 <rust_collector> 32Gb of d's
46:12 <electrohead> lol
46:15 <Ysjoelfir> 64
46:21 <electrohead> it's a linux program :p
46:40 <Ysjoelfir> I am too lazy to start the lab PC with linux now. whats that on winders?
46:43 * Halcyon d's electrohead 
46:44 <electrohead> https://linux.die.net/man/1/dd
46:45 <EEVBot> [url] dd(1): convert/copy file - Linux man page | linux.die.net
46:50 <electrohead> hrmm, not sure
46:55 <electrohead> dd copies bit for bit
46:59 <electrohead> you'd have to look into that
47:02 <rust_collector> it is some times known as disk destroyer... do you really want it on windows?
47:11 <Ysjoelfir> meh
47:20 <Ysjoelfir> I think I will do that tomorrow
47:39 <Ysjoelfir> its a bit late now and I am pissed, which is not the best situation to fuck with stuff
47:56 <rust_collector> I wonder if you can not use dd in the loonix part of windows... not sure
49:40 <electrohead> I was pissed earlier, when I discovered the switches I had to replace, were in packages of 0.96 x 0.96 mm
49:50 <electrohead> rust_collector: within wsl?
49:53 <electrohead> hrmm, not sure
49:53 <rust_collector> not a thing I have tested: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
49:54 <EEVBot> [url] chrysocome.net - dd for windows | www.chrysocome.net
50:01 <rust_collector> yes, in the that thing
50:15 <rust_collector> but, I never tried that
50:19 <rust_collector> or that
50:33 <electrohead> https://superuser.com/questions/839502/windows-equivalent-for-dd
50:34 <EEVBot> [url] windows equivalent for dd - Super User | superuser.com
50:50 <electrohead> https://github.com/pbatard/rufus
50:50 <EEVBot> [GitHub] pbatard/rufus - The Reliable USB Formatting Utility | 89.7% C 6.9% Makefile 1.4% C# 2.0% Other | Last Push: 2022-08-04 - 05:50:55EDT | Stargazers: 19600 | Watchers: 524 | Forks: 2028 | Network: 2028 | Open Issues: 12
50:55 <electrohead> interesting
51:07 <rust_collector> rufus is good, but it is no dd
51:31 <electrohead> under features: "Create VHD/DD images of a drive"
57:01 <rust_collector> heh, so they are saying that everyone should install git on windows, just to get coreutils. sounds good to me
58:14 * Ysjoelfir still has absolutely no idea how to use git
58:29 Quit: dogwo ([email protected]) EOF from client
59:09 <rust_collector> but you would not, you would be using coreutils, which is in the git install, and dd is in the coreutils, lol
00:57 <rust_collector> MrMobodies what is the windows worlds replacement for dd?
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13:15 <Ysjoelfir> I think I will just reinstall it completely tomorrow. also, good night you peoples
13:17 <electrohead> git is easy
13:32 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: seriously, try to image that sd card
13:39 <Halcyon> Night Ysjoelfir
13:47 <dogwo> yeah, it is easy to be a git :D
13:54 <electrohead> dogwo: lol
13:56 <electrohead> hey mate o/
14:04 Nick: dogwo is now known as DogWomble
14:06 <DogWomble> how goes?
14:29 <Ysjoelfir> if you used it forever, yes. if you have no clue about coding and never needed any kind of git thing, no, its not really easy. you just stay there, look at it and think "wtf is this shit? just gimme my download link!" ;)
14:31 <electrohead> it goes here, just making foods and drinking a few beers
14:33 <electrohead> you?
14:45 <Ysjoelfir> so. o/
14:45 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: lmfao
14:46 <DogWomble> yeah not too bad :)
14:49 <DogWomble> starting work soon-ish
14:54 <electrohead> git clone --recursive <github url>
14:59 <DogWomble> yay for wfh ... or something
15:08 <electrohead> wsl?
15:20 <electrohead> windows sub-system for linux, I think it is
15:24 <electrohead> err, what it means
15:26 <electrohead> sounds about right
15:39 <DogWomble> wfh - work from home :)
15:46 <DogWomble> i get to use my shiny new PC :D
16:05 <electrohead> I ate half a jalapeno pepper, and the second I sipped my beer, my lips tingled a tiny bit, heh
16:11 <electrohead> and ahh, yes, the work from home thing
16:13 <electrohead> :p
16:33 <DogWomble> i must say, going to an i7-12700kf is a massive step up from an i5-8500
18:04 <rust_collector> they look about the same thickness, but I am just going by pictures on the internet
18:16 <DogWomble> :P
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22:31 <electrohead> lol
25:30 <rust_collector> why are the little pocket screwdrivers suddenly so expensive? You used to get as many as you wanted from everywhere
25:52 Quit: Some_Person ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
26:42 <DHess_US> Lots of tools have gone way up in price or are not available.
27:30 <electrohead> oh, a picture from the amscope 'scope - https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20220809_162526.jpg
28:45 * steve30 needs coffee
29:14 <electrohead> rust_collector: don't you mean, why is everything so expensive anymore?
29:18 <electrohead> it's fucking depressing
29:27 * electrohead steals DHess_US's job
29:29 <rust_collector> well
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30:47 <DHess_US> They took our jobs!
32:00 <electrohead> 'dey dook 'er jerbs.
32:16 <electrohead> ..
32:25 <electrohead> de' durka dur.
33:00 <DHess_US> Yea, but I don't drink.
35:12 <electrohead> Durka durr. :(
35:15 <electrohead> Lol.
35:19 <electrohead> Fucking south park
35:24 <Ampera> what's south park
35:36 <electrohead> !beer Ampera
35:36 * EEVBot bathes Ampera in beer
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35:51 <electrohead> Heh
36:37 <electrohead> rust_collector: invite him back?
39:26 <rust_collector> why? lol
41:48 <rust_collector> electrohead why do you want ysjoelf to copy his sd card?
54:50 <electrohead> to see if any errors pop up in logs?
55:08 <rust_collector> ok
55:12 <electrohead> if any read/write/cache errors appear, that could confirm a bad sd card, per what he said
56:44 <rust_collector> i do not think his card is physically bad, but yanking the power out, to shut it down is probably not the best idea, just my opinion.
56:57 <electrohead> is that what he did?
57:15 <rust_collector> I think it is pretty coomon on things like the pi
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58:10 <rust_collector> so, i am pretty sure that he can just ploink a new image on it, and go. but yes, we can look at some logs, probably
59:03 <Ampera> hey rust_collector how are you do
59:08 <rust_collector> heey!
59:16 <rust_collector> I had do
59:31 <rust_collector> and many
59:35 <rust_collector> !
00:37 <rust_collector> I believe someone ate all the brownies. this is not ideal
01:00 <electrohead> what kind of brownies?
01:05 Mode: (by ChanOP) -o Ampera
01:37 <Ampera> rust_collector, obviously more must be made (eaten)
03:27 <rust_collector> electrohead regular... uh, I dunno? I think they contain flour, and... something
06:02 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
07:04 <rust_collector> arch is a quitter. and just when I did not want to ask him something
21:57 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
24:05 <electrohead> and arch is back
24:17 <rust_collector> again
24:38 <electrohead> I'm off to bed, goodnight
25:04 <rust_collector> have fun
25:10 <arch> hihi
25:23 * Ampera pest arch 
25:27 <Ampera> how are you do arch fren?
25:33 <Ampera> *pets
25:42 <arch> i are migrating to zfs
25:53 <Ampera> nice, zfs on linux?
25:57 <Ampera> or even zfs on root?
25:57 <arch> ya, on Alpine
26:03 <arch> ya, zfs on root, on alpine
26:20 <Ampera> you know what they call alpine running an alpine container?
26:21 <Ampera> metamusl
26:23 <arch> im simulating everything in libvirt images first
26:49 <arch> i made 4 4GB virtual hdds and am familiarizing myself with the tools to manage zfs
26:49 <Ampera> I've been running ZFS on Root on Linux since the start of the year
26:55 <Ampera> and on FreeBSD for a bit longer than that
27:24 <Ampera> ZFS's tools are a lot simpler than I initially thought. When I first started playing with FreeBSD, I stuck to the UFS because it was a far more traditional option
27:36 <Ampera> only to realize that ZFS was actually more stable, and easier to use than UFS
27:38 <arch> freebsd is for chumps
27:41 <arch> jk
27:58 <Ampera> how can I argue against king chump?
28:24 <Ampera> FreeBSD is for chumps actually. I've stopped using it at the moment.
28:38 <Ampera> I've pretty much completed my move to Debian from FreeBSD
29:10 <arch> i am familiar with btrfs snapshots, so im excited to see how zfs snapshots work. probably more or less the same
29:19 <Ampera> afaik they work even better
29:27 <Ampera> since btrfs doesn't support recursive snapshotting
29:43 <Ampera> I'm not even sure if btrfs supports iterative/diff snapshot transmits
30:08 <Ampera> (as in, if you have an older version of a filesystem on a remote machine, you can simply transmit the diffs instead of the whole fs
30:10 <Ampera> )
30:42 <arch> especially excited about the zfs network transfer feature that only sends over differential data, so say if you wanted to restore your vm server to the day earlier, it will just transfer over the differential blocks, which makes it hundreds of times faster than the traditional rsync methods, or tar
31:03 <Ampera> <.<
31:10 <Ampera> and that's what happens when you don't look up while typing :D
31:20 <arch> naruhodo
31:30 <arch> thanks for wasting my 10s
32:16 <Ampera> I really wish ZFS found a way to overcome its GPL incompatibility some day.
32:27 <Ampera> If it never had that issue, I am almost entirely sure every single Linux desktop/server would be running ZFS today
32:30 <Ampera> it's just that good
33:25 <arch> isnt that what openzfs does? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenZFS#Distributions
33:25 <EEVBot> arch: Error fetching section "Distributions" for page "OpenZFS".
35:57 <Ampera> arch, The ZFS code upon which OpenZFS is based off of is CDDL licensed, which is an open license, but is not GPL compatible
46:02 <rust1> wheee! finally finished one project. that only took way too much time
47:58 <arch> does anyone want to play warzone2100 with me? us vs bot team
49:57 <DHess_US> https://d2eehagpk5cl65.cloudfront.net/img/q60/uploads/2022/08/CarriagesatMidnight.jpg
00:51 Quit: Koshka ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
07:52 <steve30> I thought I had a tin of curry left but i haven't
15:45 <rust1> sneaky tins
16:28 <rust1> have you seen a cylinder shaped cat, maybe?
30:40 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
37:36 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/8mh0DnS.jpeg
48:16 <rust_collector> HAH! I found the hidden brownies
56:52 <steve30> mmm, brownies
57:00 * T3sl4 mochas up steve30's brownies
24:32 <Halcyon> Is it home time yet?
24:41 <Halcyon> T3sl4, come hang out my washing
24:57 <rust_collector> I am home...
25:20 <T3sl4> get your cootie ridden cloth away from my face
25:24 <Halcyon> So am I, but working
25:32 <rust_collector> awww
25:36 <Halcyon> My underwear smells nice thank you
25:53 <Halcyon> Like coconuts funnily enough
26:51 <T3sl4> stick enough coconuts in there soon you'll have diamonds
29:13 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/StartledCats/comments/wkbw9y/me_when_my_mom_startles_me_when_focusing_on_a_game/
29:14 <EEVBot> [reddit] Me when my mom startles me when focusing on a game (https://v.redd.it/ea79obm73sg91) to r/StartledCats | 12307 points (95.0%) | 111 comments | Posted by Bruhgert | Created at 2022-08-09 - 19:11:49UTC
41:37 <Halcyon> BAHAHA stupid cat
34:06 <steve30> i really need to go to the shops for food but i'm tired
34:19 <steve30> I think i can probably make it to Tesco
39:12 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
57:01 <K> hello melons
58:55 <rust1> hello, little caramel
00:11 * K sticks to the teeth
01:00 <rust1> teeth, and many other things
04:27 <Halcyon> Evening pine nut
06:40 <rust1> good night Halcyon (halbmondf�rmige)
10:14 <Halcyon> Teefs
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29:24 <steve30> hi
29:31 <rust1> oh look! it is the new and well fed steve
31:49 <steve30> I'm back from Tesco-ing
31:56 <rust1> yaay!
32:15 <K> squeeeee!!!!
34:22 <rust1> second pot of coffee today is ready...
44:25 <K> how big is the pot?
46:48 <rust1> uh, not sure, standard coffeemaker size. I guess 0.7l?
48:48 * K notes
54:13 <rust1> https://ibb.co/VMFms8r
54:13 <EEVBot> [url] 16601179934725288195777484648794 — ImgBB | ibb.co
54:18 <rust1> no idea
23:42 <K> good soldering always helps
24:12 <K> have you been expelled to spend your day in the shed?
24:28 <K> not judgjing
29:36 <rust_collector> I like it out there
43:41 <K> what temp is it over there?
43:56 <K> they threten us with +30 this weekend and next week
44:55 <rust1> uh, it was 14 around midnight, I guess it is around 20 now. it is supposed to be hot later
45:34 <K> 14 at night is delightful
45:59 <rust1> 14 during the day is awesome
48:24 <K> a bit too cold for my liking
48:44 <rust1> cold? wow
48:58 <K> 20 is fine
49:00 <rust1> that is ultimate summer temp. perfect
49:10 <rust1> 20 is ok-ish
49:21 <K> 14 needs some heating inside
49:37 <rust1> if you can just sit in the shade and do nothing, 20 is fine
58:08 <rust1> that was a cute little motor, with a gearbox and all https://ibb.co/6y1mYcz
58:08 <EEVBot> [url] photo-6025886752226522649-y — ImgBB | ibb.co
01:22 <K> from what?
04:16 <rust1> from a phone charger, it has little arms, that clamp the phone in place
04:26 <rust1> well, had
04:34 <rust1> it is extremely dead now
08:52 <K> ah.
13:07 <rust1> it was just the usb connector, that was off the board, but there was no way to open this thing...
13:23 <rust1> and I sort of liked this charger. so...boohoo
17:33 <K> it had to be done.
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46:39 <jackbrown> hello there
46:42 <jackbrown> anyone?
47:28 <rust1> no, just you
47:39 <rust1> hello, just you
48:05 <K> midday nap time
48:26 <rust1> YAAY!
48:45 <rust1> time for breakfate, me thinks
48:59 <rust1> or other word, that makes more sense
49:48 <K> breakfat
50:08 <jackbrown> hey
50:13 <rust1> NEVERRR! more fat!
50:30 <jackbrown> Just a fast question 51V and 300A are lethal ?
51:01 <rust1> 51v and 300mA is too, if you get it thru your body, in the right place
51:54 <jackbrown> rust1: but if I touch accidendally with hand ? (I'm talking about CC btw )
52:01 <jackbrown> accidentally
52:05 <rust1> cc?
52:07 <jackbrown> with bare hands
52:14 <jackbrown> rust1: continuous current ?
52:22 <jackbrown> rust1: Direct Current
52:27 <rust1> oh, dc, yes
52:36 <jackbrown> sorry in Italy is CC and in english is DC
53:04 <jackbrown> so if i touch 51V 300A with my bare hands will I die ?
53:16 <rust1> uh, well, if you have thick skin, and dry hands, it is no problem. if you have sweat or a cut on your hand, it is possible .
54:02 <rust1> but, the current only flows, if you can get good contact, between your hand, and "ground"
54:10 <jackbrown> rust1: got it it depends how good as conductor my body is then
54:16 <rust1> yes
55:00 <jackbrown> Does anyone has experience with electric vehicle here ?
55:08 <jackbrown> Charging discharging using etc. ?
55:17 <rust1> I think 50v is around the point where you can start to think about it as potentially dangerous. but I would not worry too much about it
55:35 <rust1> uh, mom has one, my uncle has has several
55:44 <rust1> has had
55:47 <jackbrown> rust1: but it's not the Amperage too ?
56:02 <jackbrown> rust1: several ? Tesla car you mean ?
56:13 <jackbrown> rust1: mom? how old are you?
56:13 <rust1> the amperage has nowhere to go, if you do not have the voltage to get thru your skin, sort of
56:38 <jackbrown> rust1: ok so the Voltage is the "Force" and the Amperage is the "FLOW"
56:45 <rust1> not tesla, a nissan, because she is not retarded, and I am 43
56:53 <rust1> yes
57:11 <jackbrown> if you have big FLOW and a small FORCE nothing happen (ex 300A and 1V)
57:30 <jackbrown> if you have a big FORCE and a small FLOW you are safe too (ex 0.1A and 240V)
57:32 <jackbrown> Am I right ?
57:45 <rust1> uh, not really, but sort of
57:55 <jackbrown> I almost got the concept
57:59 <jackbrown> Nissan leaf ?
58:01 <rust1> yes
58:14 <rust1> 2017 or 18, I think
58:16 <jackbrown> Is she happy with it ? how many km or miles ?
58:27 <jackbrown> With one charge I mean
58:36 <rust1> she is happy with it. I have no idea how far it has gone
59:10 <rust1> I know we she did pick me up at the airport, that is...
59:13 <jackbrown> In a couple of year the wold will be flooded with small electric city car, everybody will buy them when the price will make them affordable
59:14 <rust1> uh, let me see
59:23 <jackbrown> *world
59:34 * Halcyon bastes T3sl4 in Monkey Gland Sauce; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLuolgHReRs
59:35 <EEVBot> [url] Monkey Gland Sauce. What Even IS Monkey Gland Sauce? - YouTube | www.youtube.com
59:43 <jackbrown> Who knows what will happen to the grid of some countries that IMHO aren't ready for that
00:01 <jackbrown> rust1: what do you think about?
00:43 <rust1> I know she picked me up at the airport, but I am not sure if it was fully charged, when she left, so... I have no idea
01:02 <jackbrown> ok
01:39 <rust1> my uncle did drive it to his brother, which lives around 600km away, he had to charge one time, for about an hour
01:56 <jackbrown> the same Nissan Leaf ?
01:58 <rust1> but that is going over the mountains,
01:59 <rust1> yes
02:20 <jackbrown> yeah think about if you have PV and Battery at home,recharging it will cost nothing
02:46 <jackbrown> anyway even paying the electricity EV are much cheaper than gasoline
03:01 <rust1> if we quit sending the power to germany, it would be cheaper to just charge it at home, lol
03:36 <jackbrown> rust1: where do you live ?
03:40 <rust1> noway
03:51 <rust1> with an r in the middle, lol
03:57 <jackbrown> rust1: does Norway exports energy to Germany ?
04:01 <rust1> yes
04:22 <rust1> we are on the same grid as the eu, for some reason
04:24 <jackbrown> rust1: don't they have they nuclear plants or else ? Plus they are really advanced in PV energy ?
04:36 <rust1> hmm, germany?
04:43 <jackbrown> rust1: yes Germany
05:43 <rust1> they try to shut down their nuclear plants, and they are very advanced in lots of things, but that does not help much, as it is just not enough
05:49 <jackbrown> rust1: wow https://www.repstatic.it/content/contenthub/img/2021/05/28/134128125-a833faa5-fcf6-4f2d-88f8-b9341764e275.jpg?webp
06:16 <jackbrown> rust1: how do you produce all that energy? I'm reading a article that says that Norway produces "GREEN" energy
06:16 <rust1> we have cables to scotland or england too
06:21 <rust1> water
06:31 <jackbrown> rust1: water turbine ?
06:34 <rust1> yes
06:47 <rust1> almost all our power is that
06:48 <jackbrown> rust1: do you guys have a lot of waterfall and river ?
06:53 <rust1> yep
07:19 <jackbrown> rust1: I didn't know that, so your country produces so much energy with water turbines with it's own waterfalls that can export it ?
07:21 <jackbrown> rust1: WOW
07:24 <rust1> they are working on wind, but... politicians never get anything done
07:55 <rust1> we do not have much people up here. we are just 5.5 million people, or around there
08:23 <jackbrown> rust1: ah I got, so you don't have a big consumption
08:31 <rust1> by area, we are larger than germany
08:46 <LordGeir_mobile> Not many of us Norwegians :Package:
09:10 <LordGeir_mobile> Lol, autocorrect :P
09:11 <jackbrown> rust1: In Italy we shut down all the nuclear plants many years ago because the people were called to vote that, and what happen that we import all our energy that now costs A LOT
09:25 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXlQuTRSmzc
09:26 <EEVBot> [url] My robot double sells out (so I don't have to) - YouTube | www.youtube.com
09:28 <Halcyon> Ohhh that's creepy
09:34 <jackbrown> rust1: how much do you pay per kWh in your country more or less ?
09:37 <rust1> we do have issues with transporting power, this year, we have loads of power up north, but the cables do not have capacity to move it down south, so it is sent to sweden
09:57 <jackbrown> rust1: on your bill I mean
10:33 <LordGeir_mobile> The funny thing is that Sweeden has bought cheap power from northern Norway and sells it expensive in southern Norway
10:36 <rust1> i dunno? it is pretty exensive now, they say, I don't really care too much
11:27 <rust1> was it last summer, or the year before, that it was almost free, lol.
11:47 <LordGeir_mobile> Over 4kr pr kWh which is like 50 cent per kWh
12:03 <LordGeir_mobile> Year before was dirt cheap
12:04 <jackbrown> rust1: really? So you guys have a free energy source and you pay a lot ? I don't understand
12:16 <rust1> it is politics
12:17 <jackbrown> 0.50€/kWh is a lot
12:37 <Halcyon> That's very expensive!
12:46 <rust1> last year, or the year before, i thin kit was more like 0.05.
12:52 <jackbrown> it is indeed, in Italy we pay that
13:05 <jackbrown> 0,05 it's umbeliveably cheap
13:15 <LordGeir_mobile> Because they decided to produce excessive amounts of power and sell it. They didn't take into account no rain or snow melt, so now we have a shortsge
13:42 <jackbrown> LordGeir_mobile: got it
13:46 <rust1> government and the power producers are making tons of money now, for as long as they canget away with it
14:26 <jackbrown> Do you guys use Photovoltaic system on your houses ? Or since there's not so much sun there aren't they really common or convenient ?
14:46 <rust1> it is not uncommon, but it is not a huge thing here yet
14:46 <Halcyon> I pay AUD$0.21/kWh during peak time (1400-2200) and $0.17 every other time
15:15 <Halcyon> Which is 0.14 and 0.12 Euro respectively
15:28 <jackbrown> Halcyon: not that much I pay at least 3 times more
15:54 <jackbrown> Halcyon: PV is a big thing in Australia I heard and I'm reading over internet, isn't it ?
16:59 <Halcyon> Yeh I'm not sure what the take-up rate it, but many houses have PV and some have batteries (as I do)
17:10 <Halcyon> I have about 10kW on the roof
17:42 <jackbrown> Halcyon: same in my house in Italy 10,08kWp
17:46 <Halcyon> About 30% of homes have solar as of January this year
17:52 <jackbrown> Halcyon: how many kWh do you produce in 1 year ?
19:12 <Halcyon> Probably between 8000-10000 kWh
19:40 <Halcyon> But the past 12 months has been very wet and last summer was mild, so it's likely to be more when we come out of La Nina
20:36 <jackbrown> k
20:38 <Halcyon> During winter this year it was about 400kWh each month
26:51 <LordGeir_mobile> I was going to install solar panels on my roof, because there was financial support for it. I didn't have the resources, but now I have full generator hookup on the house, which saves me quite a bit of money
27:05 <jackbrown> Halcyon: I dunno which exposition your PV system has, but mine in Italy produces around 14500kWh/year
27:42 <jackbrown> LordGeir_mobile: Generator? Don't you have to pay for gas anyway?
28:08 <Halcyon> Yeh that's not bad. I've only had this system since April 2021 and the weather has been crap, so it's not a true reflection
28:34 <LordGeir_mobile> I do, but it uses very little gas for what it produces, and all in all it's cheaper
32:26 <Ampera> Good morning!
32:28 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
34:43 <rust_collector> ooh! it is 10th of august! congratulations allthepeople!
34:58 <Ampera> it is the 222nd day!
35:09 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
35:10 <rust_collector> it is rustys official UN day of end the EU
35:22 <Ampera> lol
35:27 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
35:40 <Halcyon> I'm good, I had a little nap earlier.
35:43 <Halcyon> How are you?
37:11 <Ampera> Good, just waking up and reading the documentation to dovecot
38:02 <Ampera> I technically have an email server running right now, but there's no mailbox server
38:13 <Ampera> or real auth mechanism
38:22 <Ampera> but it does send mail just fine
38:25 <Halcyon> I was going to set up a second NAS tonight but I don't know if I can be bothered
38:39 <Ampera> I'm also moving some ZFS datasets around so I can rebuild a couple pools
39:04 <Ampera> I'm going to be doing 8 disk RAIDZ2, and 6 disk RAIDZ2 (8x6TB and 6x4TB)
39:10 * steve30 meows at Halcyon 
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39:15 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
39:21 * Halcyon coffees steve30 
39:32 <Ampera> hello Koshka how are you
40:09 <Halcyon> I'm debating whether or not to get out some cheese and crackers
40:24 <rust_collector> the answer is yes
40:39 <rust_collector> the question is just when...
41:05 <rust_collector> go get some, and some wine, and join the celebration!
41:07 <Halcyon> Mmmm...
41:12 <Halcyon> I have wine
41:22 <rust_collector> get some more,
41:23 * steve30 is tired today
41:29 <steve30> i'm looking forward to bed
41:39 <Halcyon> It's almost midday Steve
42:48 <Halcyon> I had a nap earlier though
42:57 <Halcyon> Although I feel as though I'm wide awake and won't be able to sleep
43:07 <rust_collector> it is almost mid day of the next day, so it is sort of late
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51:02 <Ampera> oh great, one of the 6TB drives I installed isn't showing up
51:04 <Ampera> and it's at home too
51:05 <Ampera> :D
51:20 <Halcyon> Don't you hate that
51:21 <Ampera> oh well, that is later's problem
51:40 <Ampera> When configuring these pools all I can think is I want more drives
51:52 <Ampera> I only need another 12 to make a complete 20x6TB
52:10 <Ampera> 720USD for that many HGST UltraStar's
52:27 <Ampera> bit too dear for the moment, but I am absolutely going to do that soon.
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53:02 <Ampera> man, it's drives like these that are making my 3x2TB array feel really small
55:03 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
55:12 <Halcyon> Hello Ysjoelfir
55:18 <Halcyon> How's my favourite Kraut?
55:20 <Ampera> hello Ysjoelfir how are you
55:22 <Ampera> WHAT
55:31 <Halcyon> You don't count Ampera, you're 'Merican
55:31 <Ampera> ya fuckin traitor
55:35 <Ampera> I am astonished
55:36 <Ampera> I am amazed
55:39 <Ysjoelfir> You are only half a kraut, Ampera
55:46 <rust1> amassed
55:46 * Ampera sneezes on Ysjoelfir 
55:48 <Halcyon> Bloody half-cast :P
55:59 <Ampera> alright guess I'll go kill myself for being impure or something
56:14 <steve30> i'm going to have to go and lie down
56:17 <Ysjoelfir> So, I am fine. Ish. Having breakfast, so soon I will be more fine
56:21 <Halcyon> Night Steve
56:24 * Ysjoelfir prepares a cuddly bed for steve30
56:32 <Ampera> breakfast?
56:41 <Ampera> first you steal my heritage, now you steal my timezone?
56:46 <Ampera> smh
56:58 <Ampera> what's for breakfast
56:58 <Halcyon> What's for breakfast this morning? I always find it interesting what other people eat normally in other parts of the world.
57:14 <Halcyon> Today I had toast with labna, cheese and beetroot
57:33 <rust1> e? I just had breakfast too. i think you need to have a look at your timezone, Ampera
57:43 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
58:08 <rust1> today, I had potatoes, carrots, meat cakes, in thicc gravy.
58:30 <rust1> for the 3rd time, so now I am done with that
58:31 <Ampera> I am having tea. I do not eat breakfast.
58:46 <Ysjoelfir> this noons breakfast is leftovers from yesterday evening xD But yesterday I had a nice dark rye bread with lots of seeds, toasted in some lard, with fried scrambled egg, but not totally overcooked, just so that its not liquid anymore, topped with some parmeggiano, Halcyon
59:08 <Ampera> mmmm
59:17 <Halcyon> I love dark rye
59:19 <Ampera> that sounds like breakfast
59:36 <Halcyon> Which reminds me, I need to buy more bread
00:23 <Ampera> https://i.imgur.com/swTA8OQ.png
00:27 <Ampera> nice reference in the arch wiki
02:57 <Ampera> oh shit oh fuck
03:10 <Ampera> this email server is shockingly starting to make sense
03:22 <rust1> oh no!
03:23 <Halcyon> Heh
03:42 <Ampera> I am also using this as an excuse to learn postgresql
04:04 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like some kind of disease
04:13 <Ampera> no, but mysql is
04:29 <rust1> go go hackerman!
05:47 <LordGeir_mobile> Oh God... I remember the old Postfix days :p
05:59 <Ampera> I'm setting it up, and dovecot
06:14 <Ampera> I'm hopefully going full steam ahead on running my own email server
06:15 <rust1> HAH! I remember the prefix days... tralala
06:36 * Ampera reverse polishes rust1 
06:59 <rust1> ooooh.
07:05 <LordGeir_mobile> I remember the old 5 digit telephone Numbers in Norway
07:09 <Ampera> the funky thing that I like here is just how many databases are supported
07:10 <rust1> yep
07:18 <rust1> we had 70833
07:23 * Ampera calls it
07:31 <LordGeir_mobile> 58811 was ours
07:46 <Ampera> US numbers used to be funny. They'd have letters and then 4-5 numbers
07:54 <rust1> grandma had 23, a long time ago.
07:55 <Ampera> and the letters would be short for the name of your local exchange
08:20 <Ampera> that numbering system never went away, they just stopped using the letters
08:31 <Ampera> so a lot of exchanges still have the numbers that match those letters from decades ago
09:27 <LordGeir_mobile> The very first "mobile" phone we had, was a large wooden crate. It was more a radio, but was a phone
19:42 <Ampera> for some reason I seem to recall this conversation....
20:00 <Ampera> LordGeir_mobile, did we happen to talk about this on the forum years ago?
22:22 <LordGeir_mobile> Ampera: I can't seem to recall. I know I talked about it years back, but don't remember where
23:03 <Halcyon> I love this eInk tablet. I charged it on 26/06 and the battery is still at 49%
23:11 <Ampera> I read that as sink tablet
23:14 <Halcyon> Sorry 26/07
23:21 <Ampera> o7
23:37 <Ampera> god bless you
23:48 <Ampera> and I mean seriously, bless you, ya just sneezed all over me :<
24:00 <Halcyon> I don't believe in god
24:10 <Ampera> I believe in myself
24:13 <Ampera> and that's all that counts
24:35 <rust1> what does god have to do with anything?
24:42 <Ampera> god damns it
24:42 <Halcyon> rust1, it doesn't
24:43 <Halcyon> :P
24:43 <Ampera> goddamit
24:58 <Halcyon> It's a fairy tale
25:02 <Halcyon> So I guess if you like stories?
25:11 <Halcyon> (Was that mean?)
25:18 <Ampera> huh?
25:22 <Ampera> nah, just preachy
25:25 <Halcyon> Ripping on religion
25:26 <rust1> yes, but why did you bring god into this?
25:39 <Ampera> because god bless you is a traditional american phrase
25:42 <Ampera> even in the absent of god
25:45 <Ampera> *absence
25:47 <rust1> eeew
25:50 <Halcyon> You lot are weird
25:59 <rust1> americans... psssht
26:17 <Ampera> at least our rabbits aren't 6 feet tall, weight 250 pounds, and have a pouch in them
26:32 <Halcyon> They are tasty though
26:39 <Halcyon> (as are rabbits)
26:40 <Ampera> their jerky is at least
26:42 <Ampera> that's all I can say
26:46 <Ampera> Rabbit is just a dark meat
26:51 <Ampera> I prefer to pet them than eat them
27:03 <Ampera> I'd say it's most similar to turkey legs
27:04 <Halcyon> I actually prefer the fresh meat to the jerky
27:12 <Halcyon> Kangaroo bolognese yummy
27:15 <Ampera> I'd probably like the meat.
27:20 <Ampera> Kangaroo is actually farmed in the US
27:22 <Ampera> I could probably get some
27:25 <Halcyon> I wonder if Kangaroo is halal?
27:47 <Ampera> It'd depends on the hoof, and require special slaughter (from the neck, while living, such that all the blood drains)
27:53 <Ampera> blood is verboten
27:58 * Ampera oms on some blutwurst
28:14 <Halcyon> Kangaroos don't have hooves
29:09 <Ampera> neither do pigs
29:10 <Ampera> so idfk
29:17 <Ampera> do I look like a muslim to you?
29:46 <Halcyon> *shrug*
29:48 <Ampera> I actually have a friend I could ask
29:49 <Ampera> one sec
30:34 <Halcyon> I have a story about halal certification but maybe I shouldn't say, as to no upset some people
30:46 <Ampera> my friend from KSA says yes
30:48 <Ampera> it is halal
30:53 <Halcyon> There you go
30:53 <rust1> why would you avoid upsetting people?
31:06 <Halcyon> rust1, because I can be quite a sensitive fellow sometimes
31:31 <Ampera> just don't throw beer at me and you'll be fine :P
31:41 <rust1> that does not make other people sensitive, so why should you care?
31:45 <Halcyon> Why would I throw beer at you? I don't drink the stuff
32:07 <rust1> that is a good enough reason
32:13 <Halcyon> Beer is piss water
32:17 <Ampera> yeah you kinda answered the question yourself
32:29 <Halcyon> I mean... to be fair, I have has *a few* OK beers in the past
32:38 <Halcyon> But for the most part, noooo
32:48 <Ampera> for me, the smell of beer is directly attached to the concept of vomit
33:03 <Halcyon> For me vomit = vodka + redbull
33:12 <Ampera> I'm not a big fan of alcohol in general, but beer is just something my parents drank too fucking much of
34:07 <Halcyon> When I was 18, I went to a house party, drank an entire 4-pack of redbull and half a bottle of vodka. Threw up in their backyard, that patch of grass didn't grow back for 10 years.
34:12 <Halcyon> Never touched the stuff since
34:31 <Ampera> Vodka I'd be tempted to try, probably in making tomato sauce or food in general
34:50 <Halcyon> You'd like vodka pasta Ampera
34:56 <Ampera> I've probably had it before
35:05 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4HOfm5lDhg
35:05 <EEVBot> [url] PASTA ALLA VODKA RECIPE | Easy Pasta with Vodka Sauce - YouTube | www.youtube.com
35:11 <Halcyon> I tried that one, it's DELICIOUS
35:16 <Halcyon> And super simple
35:16 <Ampera> I'll have to try it next year
35:18 <Ampera> when I can buy some
35:48 <Ampera> Restaurants in the US will often serve food cooked with alcohol, like vodka or wine
35:55 <Ampera> even if you're not old enough to consume it normally
35:57 <Halcyon> Yeh it's common
36:05 <Halcyon> The alcohol is mostly cooked off anyway
36:15 <Ysjoelfir> so.... as mr. head said yesterday, I should try doing something with the fuckered sd card and bashing dd on the keyboard. and since all of you pros are here now, is there a way to do things on winders or do I have to boot up the penguin machine?
36:36 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, just boot into Linux, it's super simple.
36:45 <Halcyon> Just give me a call on the phone and I can walk you through it
37:13 <Halcyon> (If you can understand my accent)
37:31 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, whenever you have to deal with block devices, just give up using Windows
37:38 <Halcyon> ^
37:42 <Halcyon> What Ampera said
37:43 <rust1> well, if you only want to read the logs, still use loonix
37:51 <Ysjoelfir> nah, you know I am no fan of calls, because of my equally shitty ears. but I have irc on the machine as well
37:52 <Ampera> maybe things are different now with WSL, but it's never been good at handling volumes or block devices.
38:05 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, what do you need to do with the sd card
38:10 <Ysjoelfir> ok, gimme a sec, I boot up the penguin
38:14 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno Ampera.
38:35 <Ysjoelfir> its the OS of my raspi running my 3d printer, but that is supposedly fuckered
38:41 * electrohead yawns
38:48 <Ampera> are you trying to recover it, or wipe it?
38:50 <Ysjoelfir> mr head said I should press d two times to fix that, or something like that
38:56 * Halcyon spanks electrohead mid-pee
38:57 <electrohead> rofl
38:59 * Ysjoelfir pokes electrohead
39:00 <electrohead> "dd"
39:03 <Ampera> dd is only good if you want to wipe it, or image it
39:41 <rust1> he wanted it imaged, but just to read logs, i think. so you do nto really have to image it either
39:49 <electrohead> and, that was my recommendation, to image the SD card, as 1) you'll see if there are errors with the card itself, and mainly 2) if there *are* errors with it, try to get your data off of it asap
41:18 <Halcyon> At least image if for no other reason but to have a backup
41:20 <Ampera> imaging the card is not a bad idea. Doing loop mounting on linux is a bit more complicated (to where you can actually see the files in it), but you should also be able to just mount the sd card
41:30 <Halcyon> In case you need to shift it to another SD card or mess with it
42:12 <Ampera> another thing you can do is check the reported geometry of the card. If it's less (or more) than what you actually have, then that's a great indication that the chip's proper fucked
43:35 <Ampera> I've had uSD cards that, just from a small accidental scratch, were completely lost because it destroyed the die
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45:46 <Ysjoelfir> hello from the enguin device
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46:07 <rust1> squorr squorr!
46:14 <Ysjoelfir> with a upposedly slightly borked p and s key on the keyboard
46:51 <Ampera> that's a ier
47:22 <rust1> uoedly... (unzul�nglichkeit)
47:56 <Ysjoelfir> yes
48:09 <Ysjoelfir> dot is alsso not good nice
48:17 <Halcyon> Just mash it, it'll be fine
48:45 <Ysjoelfir> I do. but why ha everything to fail now, I disaroove of that
48:49 <rust1> but if you type it wrong, you will delete the machine, and the internet, and so on
49:08 <Ysjoelfir> so, what am I trying to achieve, and how can I do that? :D
49:24 <Ampera> jump into a terminal and do an fdisk -l
49:37 <Ampera> that'll show you all the devices on your machine, their names, and what their capacities and partition tables look like
49:41 <Ysjoelfir> ok
49:47 <Ampera> can scroll through that list and find your SD card
49:59 <Ampera> look at what the reported size is, and check to see if it's the same as what the card should be.
50:39 <Halcyon> Why do you use fdisk over lsblk... just out of curiousity ?
50:49 <Ampera> then, once you have that, figure out what the device is (will be like sdb or sdc or something)
51:06 <Ampera> Halcyon, because fdisk shows the complete partition tables, types, sizes, and everything without having to specify what values you want
51:09 <Ampera> easier for explaining over IRC
51:19 <Halcyon> Copy
51:45 <Ampera> once you do that, you can use dd to back it up. Find a location on your machine which has at least enough space for the entire card size. You can then use a command that looks like this:
52:12 <Ampera> dd if=/dev/sdX bs=4M | zstd -o sdcard_backup.bin.zst
52:27 <Ampera> make sure you have cd'ed into the place you want the image, and sdX will be the device name of the SD card
53:01 <Ampera> that will take a little while, so go and make some tea or something. zstd will make it smaller for now, so that empty space on the SD card doesn't take up space on your actual drive
53:46 <Ysjoelfir> lol. rust1, your modified.. console thingy tells me Nein Nein! if I input the fdisk command. It seems unhappy.
53:59 <Ampera> do you not have fdisk?
54:08 <rust1> try to type
54:10 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno. rust1 have I?
54:12 <rust1> sudo !!
54:15 <Ysjoelfir> ah
54:29 <Ampera> ah right, you need sudo to even fdisk -l
54:41 <Ampera> the rest I think should not need sudo
54:44 <rust1> I dunno, but try that
54:49 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, worked
55:01 <Ampera> ok, find SD card, and see if the size matches the size of the card
55:18 <Ysjoelfir> sdcard not to be found
55:30 * electrohead is back
55:33 <Ampera> do you need to scroll the terminal?
55:40 * Ysjoelfir hugs electrohead back
56:02 <Ysjoelfir> I scrolled the terminal, yep. I checked all entries, none matches anything close the size the card should have
56:13 <Ampera> look at "Disk model"
56:16 <Ampera> see if you can find it anyways
56:24 <electrohead> I'd also open up a second terminal window, and run sudo journalctl -f
57:01 <Ysjoelfir> nope, nothing
57:19 * Ysjoelfir tries the thing electrohead wrote
57:19 <rust1> lsblk?
57:35 <electrohead> rust1: list block devices
57:39 <Ampera> you might also try lsusb, that will show you the USB devices
57:55 <electrohead> oh, lol
57:56 <Ampera> if you are using an external SD card reader, that can tell you if it's detected (the reader, not the card)
58:08 <electrohead> rust1: I thought you were questioning what that was, hahaha
58:33 <Ysjoelfir> yep, that found the reader
59:24 <Ampera> okay
59:53 <Ampera> okay, now you can do "sudo dmesg" and you will be able to look through the kernel error log
00:03 <Halcyon> I just had smoky cheddar cheese
00:04 <Halcyon> Nom
00:15 <Ampera> if your terminal lets you scroll, you can look through the whole thing and you might be able to find any errors linux has with attaching your sd card
00:32 <Ampera> it will probably be closer to the bottom
00:46 <Ampera> you can also try taking the sd card out and putting it back in, and looking at dmesg again to see if anything changed/happened
01:09 <Ampera> unless you're doing something wrong physically though, and have tried cleaning the contacts, the card's prolly fucked tho
01:41 <electrohead> sudo dmesg -w :: to follow the log
02:03 <electrohead> and, I totally mentioned using journalctl -f before, my apologizes for trying to help right now
02:29 <Halcyon> electrohead, love me
02:45 <Ampera> -f doesn't actually show the entire log, it just shows the live feed
02:55 <Ampera> not every machine has journalctl too, though most do
03:28 <Ampera> good to see you're still bitter though
04:04 <electrohead> well, I was implying to use follow mode, to see messages as they appear
04:18 <electrohead> good to see you're still an asshole
04:46 <Ampera> that is no good if you need to see what has happened before, and sometimes once a device first breaks, the kernel won't try to detect or use it again, so you need the old log entry
04:47 <Ysjoelfir> ok, now it detects the card, for some miracle reason
04:53 <Ampera> cool
04:56 <Ampera> it is in fdisk -l?
05:03 <Ysjoelfir> I try, one sec
05:24 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
05:31 <Ampera> does the size match?
05:42 <Ysjoelfir> yes
05:44 <Ampera> good
05:47 <rust1> you people are so serious, the card is fine, lol
05:48 <Ampera> what is the device name
05:57 <Ysjoelfir> sde
06:09 <Ampera> okay, now cd to a place you can put the image, wherever that is
06:14 <Ampera> then do:
06:34 <Ampera> dd if=/dev/sde bs=4M | zstd -o sdcard_backup.bin.zst
07:25 <Ampera> if it's working, you probably won't see much, but it'll copy everything on the SD card over, and then exit when it's done
07:54 <Ampera> rust1, sd cards are pretty easy to break, so it's not a hard assumption to make
08:15 <Ysjoelfir> what would be a good place? I have no ida about the file system in linux
08:26 <Ampera> you just need hard drive space wherever it is
08:33 <rust1> any place there is space
08:40 <Ampera> if you just have one drive in the machine, you can do /home/ysjoelfir (or whatever your user is) and that will be good enough
08:58 <Ampera> just make sure you have enough free space for the size of the SD card (it will be smaller, but just in case)
09:19 <Ampera> you can do "df -h" to figure out what free space is available around
11:36 * rust1 is considering putting the summer tires on...
11:44 <Ampera> :o
11:47 <Ampera> norway has summer?
11:51 <rust1> no
11:57 <Ampera> hrm
11:59 <Ampera> just bored?
12:08 <Ampera> or do you want to do some drifting
12:08 <Ysjoelfir> erm
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12:12 <rust1> it is deadly hot today. it must be like... 20c
12:22 <Ampera> holy shit
12:24 <Ampera> that is hot
12:39 <rust1> Ysjoelfir what size drive is in the machine?
12:40 <Ysjoelfir> ok, first I had to seriously search that | thing on this keyboard. than.... it said failed to open the thing, permission denied.
12:48 <Ampera> the dd thing?
12:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
12:59 <Ampera> do "sudo su -
13:02 <Ampera> "
13:07 <Ampera> and then try again (don't include the quotes obv)
13:23 <Ysjoelfir> rust1, the card is 64gig, the main drive is 250gig
13:34 <Ampera> how much free space does df -h report?
13:50 <rust1> and I guess you did not do any special things, when you installed?
14:24 <rust1> just default?
14:55 <Ysjoelfir> just default, and adding your impproovements. i try the sudo thing now.. amp, it has 190.8 gigs free
15:03 <Ampera> yeah then anywhere is probably fine
15:12 <rust1> yeah, then your home will be plenty
15:14 <Ampera> do the sudo thing, and then the dd
15:15 <Ysjoelfir> oh, nice, tab doesn't work either. what is this shitty keyboard
15:30 <Ysjoelfir> ok, now it says ystd is not installed. let me fix that, I think I know how I can do that
15:35 <Ampera> christmas needs to come sooner, so I can send you a nice tactile pro 4 :D
15:43 <Ysjoelfir> hah! it does things!
15:48 <Ampera> good
16:07 <Ysjoelfir> "Read : xxx MB ==> xx%
16:08 <Ampera> it will do things for a little while, then when it is finished doing things you can do other things
16:09 <Ysjoelfir> "
16:11 <Ysjoelfir> looks good
16:35 <rust1> this keyboard stuff reminds me of a guy in a forum, that was upset, because he was in the uk, and he set his keyboard to uk, and it was not working right
16:45 <Ampera> haha
17:03 <Ampera> reminds me of setting my keyboard to dvorak one time and then being completely lost for days until I switched it back
17:11 <Ysjoelfir> I have the added difficulty that this keyboard I am using is a german layout, but I have the machine in UK layout.
17:22 <Ampera> that is double ouch
17:49 <rust1> copy and paste....
17:50 <Ampera> german kezboards are okaz, but quertz always trips me up
17:51 <Ysjoelfir> I know both layouts more or less blind, but finding the pipe was a bit hard, never needed that thing before
18:16 <Ampera> I have a keyboard that is german+russian (and thus also english)
18:23 <Ampera> it is somewhere
19:27 <Ysjoelfir> luckily this thing has MX blues in it, so I should be able to fix the broken keys
19:34 <Ysjoelfir> though the S seems to have recovered
19:39 <Ysjoelfir> pppppppp as well?
19:46 <Ysjoelfir> but the .. is still bad
20:15 <rust1> ......................
20:48 <Ampera> the left control key on my keyboard at home is grabbing when I press it
20:56 <Ampera> I've replaced switches on that board before, but am also lazy
21:23 <Ampera> I've been tempted to try to build my own keyboard before
21:33 Quit: MerryChristmas ([email protected]) Quit: Connection closed
21:40 <Ampera> but it'd probably just be a matias tactile pro with slightly more features, so who cares
21:51 <rust1> I use hp or dell "comes with computer" keyboards. they are pretty reliable, and if they get too full of crap, I can just plug in a different one
22:20 <Ampera> I used to do that forever
22:28 <Ampera> I am at work so that is what I am using now more or less
22:34 <Ampera> some logitech cheap thingy
24:11 <rust1> on the machine indoors, I have a very small acer branded probably logitech. it is not quite terrible. but it is white and pink, with black stickers on the keys, so it looks like playmobil made it
24:33 <rust1> feels a bit like it too
24:40 <Ampera> I love pink, but am only slightly self aware enough to not buy all pink peripherals
24:50 <Ampera> I generally don't care about color, so I have black and white stuff mostly
24:58 <Ampera> some silver things and a beige part maybe somewhere
25:16 <rust1> I am so cheap, so I just grab a bag of keyboards at work, now and then
25:31 <Ampera> lol
26:00 <Ampera> I type faster/better on a decent keyboard, so I like to stick with mechanical stuff
26:10 <Ampera> on a good keyboard I've managed to peak at 160wpm or so
26:13 <Ampera> depending on what I am doing
27:06 <rust1> I will never type fast, so i don't really care, lol
27:14 <Ysjoelfir> soon you will have new keyboards, rust1
27:33 <rust1> I did a test some time ago, and I got, I think 27wpm in english
27:48 <Ampera> I grew up talking to all my friends with a keyboard. I don't even use home row typing, I just have my own system
27:49 <rust1> and in norwegian, I got....27
27:58 <Ampera> for me, typing is about as natural as talking, sometimes even more so.
28:06 <Ampera> which explains why I don't shut the fuck up on IRC...
28:33 <Ysjoelfir> same for me
28:38 <rust1> Ysjoelfir so, I have to make a glass cabinet I candisplay them in...
28:44 <Ysjoelfir> yes
28:45 <Ampera> me having grown up with a keyboard is probably the only reason I don't have a repetitive strain injury of some sort now
28:55 <Ysjoelfir> a small one will be sufficnent though
29:02 <rust1> heh yes
29:24 <Ampera> even when I type for long periods, my fingers only rarely get tired. the only time I am hurt is if I rest my elbow on the desk and pinch a nerve
30:16 <Ysjoelfir> I had severe problems with my...... erm... the muscles/joints between arm and hand. back in the time when I was just starting working on the pc
30:35 <Ysjoelfir> nowadays I rarely have any problems, and if I have, mostly in the mouse hand, which is why I tend to use trackballs a lot
30:36 <Ampera> wrists
31:00 <Ysjoelfir> yes, that. also, I just noticed that this machine is 100% loaded by the dd thing.
31:10 <Ampera> honestly, my eyes have stared at bright screens up close I am surprised that I have good eyesight without glasses too
31:14 <Ampera> nice
31:16 Quit: pa1983 ([email protected]) Connection closed
31:23 <Ampera> do an fdisk -l again and figure out what partitions are on that SD card
31:29 <Ysjoelfir> this small old Zen 1 APU is not so happy
31:30 <Ampera> there will probably be 1-3
31:34 <Ampera> ohhhh
31:38 <Ampera> nvm, ignore what i said
31:58 * Ysjoelfir ignores Ampera 
32:00 <Ampera> the funny part is that zstd, especially on defaults, is supposed to be the fastest around
32:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol. ok, good to know that we chose that than. while it does its thing for another hour, I will be in the kitchen for a sec
32:49 <rust1> anyone need a few peugeot airbags?
33:03 <Ampera> oh those would be perfect for my peugeot pepper mill
33:16 <Ampera> just in case I am in a severe pepper accident
33:24 <rust1> yes
34:10 <Ampera> I am crazy, but I am considering buying another one
34:16 <Ampera> so I can have a pepper mill for where I eat, and one for where I cook
34:32 <rust1> hmmf, and since I have ordered a new steering joint, I found on in a box...
34:43 <Ampera> yes, that is how it works
34:57 <rust1> yes, it is
34:57 <Ampera> don't worry, the new one will be broken when you get it, and you'll have to use the one you found
35:07 <Ampera> thems the rules
35:09 <rust1> probably
35:52 <rust1> ooh, both inner and outer joint. neat
37:49 <Ampera> an innie and an outie
37:53 <Ampera> that is very lucky I think for a baby
37:56 <Ampera> somehow
42:41 <rust1> well, if you are unfortunate enough to be a baby.. maybe
50:45 <Ysjoelfir> the thing is at 26.6GB/64GB, which is supposedly 6%. This dd thing irritates me.
51:05 <K> dd is love
51:07 <Ysjoelfir> also, I kinda returned with a nice drink with a totally manly pink unicorn straw
51:17 * Ysjoelfir loves K
51:34 * Ysjoelfir loves Ampera, rust1 and electrohead as well while he is at it.
51:43 * Ysjoelfir offers Halcyon  to join the loving
52:01 <rust1> careful!
52:22 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
52:32 <Ampera> you are too loving
54:07 <Ysjoelfir> thats all thanks to my male unicorn straw
54:18 <Ysjoelfir> *manly
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56:00 <rust1> POP!
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56:49 <rust1> so, I think I will start digging my grave, because it is so hot. but I guess that can wait until it cools down a bit
57:13 <rust1> it is 25 now. non-ideal
58:42 <Ysjoelfir> eww
58:56 <Ysjoelfir> its 26 here
59:30 <rust1> good for you! that is not close to what it was
59:54 <Ysjoelfir> ok, the dd thing progresses while the percentage decreases. something tells me this percentage is not how far it has progressed
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29:13 <Ysjoelfir> So, the thing finished
29:32 <Ysjoelfir> 15000+0 records in
29:32 <Ysjoelfir> 15000+0 records out
29:32 <Ysjoelfir> 62914560000 bytes (63 GB, 59 GiB) copied, 4098.39 s, 15.4 MB/s
34:06 <rust1> ok!
34:22 <Ampera> so now you can try mounting it
34:47 <Ampera> the percentage is the compression ratio, where 33% would be 1/3rd the size of uncompressed
36:25 <rust1> it will probably automount, just go look it up in the file manager, if you want to see the files
38:14 <Ysjoelfir> aah, ok. that makes sense
38:17 <Ysjoelfir> also.... card is gone
38:43 <Ysjoelfir> I was curious since it now was supposedly readable by the dd thing what it would do in the raspi.
38:50 <rust1> hm try to re plug it?
39:00 <Ysjoelfir> same error as before. sooooo.... back into the cardreader - nothing
39:09 <Ysjoelfir> seems like its seriously fucked
39:28 <rust1> heh. so I was wrong, maybe.
40:40 <Ysjoelfir> soooo... since we have that image.... I have exactly one other micro SD card. but that one is 32 gigs. can I somehow tell the thing to stuff it onto there?
41:26 <Ampera> yes, but it's going to be a bit difficult
41:29 <Ysjoelfir> oh, there it is again!
41:40 <Ysjoelfir> replugging it a hundred times
41:48 <Ysjoelfir> seems very reliable
42:01 <Ampera> if you can get an SD card the same size, flashing the image over can actually be done
42:08 <rust1> well, and, is the data correct? you have a copy of whatever gibberish the card has on it, it does not have to work
42:24 <Ysjoelfir> true. I try mounting it
42:32 <Ampera> mounting the image, or the card
42:32 <Ysjoelfir> it... says I am not authorized to mount that
42:35 <Ysjoelfir> the card
42:42 <Ampera> what command did you use
43:30 <Ysjoelfir> move mouse pointer onto "mount" in storage volumes manager thing, than press left mouse button with finger of right hand
43:37 <Ysjoelfir> also, the card vanished again now
44:36 <rust1> did you have a lot of settings and stuff done to what was on that card?
44:46 <Ysjoelfir> yes-ish
45:08 <Ysjoelfir> also, Ampera, the misses says she thinks she crashed the server. you might need to check if its on fire
45:12 <rust1> I get a feeling it would be better to just do a fresh install on a different card, unless you have tons of stuff done to it
45:13 <Ampera> let me look
45:31 <rust1> no fire, just a little smoke
45:49 <rust1> a few sparks
46:51 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir java.lang.Error: ServerHangWatchdog detected that a single server tick took 60.00 seconds (should be max 0.05)
46:53 <Ampera> I would say yes
46:58 <Ampera> yes she did
47:18 <Ysjoelfir> she's giggling behind me
47:31 <Ysjoelfir> and she says "please write sorry?"
47:40 <Ampera> it is uncrashed now
47:50 <Ampera> oh, she just crashed the minecraft server
47:53 <Ampera> my server server is fine
48:13 <Ysjoelfir> "yay bye thanks! *runs away to the laptop*"
48:19 <rust1> mindcruft
48:59 <Ampera> lol
49:37 <Ysjoelfir> she assumes replacing 51 million blocks might have been a bit much
50:51 <rust1> but, what was wrong with the old blocks?
50:58 <Ysjoelfir> oh, interesting, now the dmesg thing shows at least a few errors when I insert this card
51:03 <rust1> yes yes, new bathroom, new kitchen
51:08 <Ysjoelfir> they were dirt(y), rust1
51:27 <rust1> eew, never clean blocks. just buy new
52:11 <LordGeir_mobile> Man... Working outside in almost no wind, and 28.7C is hard!!!
52:15 <Ysjoelfir> she tried! but the server couldn't handle that :D
52:24 <rust1> I wonder if I should hook up my...uh..stereo psystem
52:34 <Ysjoelfir> wait, no wind in nordistan? how is that even possible, LordGeir_mobile?
52:37 <Ysjoelfir> do that, rust1!
52:58 <rust1> LordGeir_mobile come down here, we have a nice breeze, and just 14.8
53:12 <rust1> uh, 24.8
53:21 <LordGeir_mobile> Ysjoelfir: I live in a bit of a "hump", and we either get no wind or big wind...
53:46 <Ysjoelfir> eww
53:51 <LordGeir_mobile> rust1: There's a slight breeze, but nothing really
53:51 <Ysjoelfir> go visit rusty, its nice there
54:04 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, what are the errors
54:09 <Ampera> without spamming the channel maybe
54:43 <Ysjoelfir> erm.... I try to unspam it, but I highly suspect that won't be possible
54:53 <rust1> halfcyan has wine, it is fine, spam away
55:06 <rust1> stick it on pastebin or something?
55:15 <Ysjoelfir> thats way too clever
55:27 <rust1> yes, he has his moments
56:42 <rust1> hmm, there is actually a built in pastebin sort of thing on that, but I just don't remember what it was called
57:05 <Ysjoelfir> https://pastebin.com/54TkiNae
57:05 <EEVBot> [url] [ 6969.118079] usb 7-1.4.4: new SuperSpeed Gen 1 USB device number 8 using xhci_ - Pastebin.com | pastebin.com
58:35 <Ampera> yeah it's a bad connection or a failing controller
58:55 <Ysjoelfir> cute how its trying to spin up a sd card
58:56 <Ampera> it is probably to try to mount the image and recover what you can off that
59:12 <Ampera> yes, if you take the SD card out and hold it to your ear, you can here the electrons spinning inside
59:16 <Ampera> *hear
59:40 <rust1> put it in the fridge, and it will spin slower
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