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47:34 <Nothing\> holy shit i need to convert my car to run on Jet A1
47:48 <Nothing\> i was just looking up prices, it's friggin 90 cents a litre in canada
47:53 <rust1> so, you need an older diesel car... ok
47:59 <Nothing\> compared to almost $1.80 for regular petrol
48:11 <Nothing\> rust1, that's funny because diesel is like $2.30 a litre
48:24 <Nothing\> even though for most of my life it's been about half the price of petrol
48:27 <rust1> they run on jet fuel just fine
48:45 <Nothing\> then when gas prices shot up suddenly during the recession, diesel suddenly got super expensive
49:03 <Nothing\> rust1, yeah it's just kerosene and i figure maybe an oxidizer like nitromethane?
49:04 <Nothing\> i dunno
49:13 <Nothing\> i just know it's mostly kerosene
49:25 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what they do to it to make it jet worthy
49:46 <rust1> I do not think therer is any nithromethane in it. maybe, but I do not think so
49:46 <Nothing\> but i'm assuming it has to do with... well not octane rating, jet engines won't get knocking, hopefully.
50:01 <Nothing\> i'd imagine if a jet engine ran off balance at all the forces would tear it apart
50:22 <rust1> diesels do not cre about octane either. they use cetane
50:27 <Nothing\> which really makes you appreciate the machining tolerances on the turbines and internal parts
50:34 <Nothing\> they have to be 100% perfectly centered
50:42 <Nothing\> i bet the tolerances are as tight as a flywheel's
50:54 <Nothing\> cetane? that's a new one to me
51:17 <Nothing\> transliteration i'm guessing?
51:26 <Nothing\> like how british pronounce methyl as "mee-thile"
51:41 <Nothing\> or acetyl as "ass-eh-tile"
51:49 <K> ass bandits.
51:59 <rust1> wth are you on about now? lol
52:01 <Nothing\> urgh itch healing wounds suck
52:14 <Nothing\> rust1, just that in all my studies of o-chem i've never heard of a cetane group
52:23 <Nothing\> and i've heard of some unusual functional groups
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52:28 <K> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetane_number
52:28 <Nothing\> like acetoxy
52:28 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Cetane number | "Cetane number (cetane rating) is an indicator of the combustion speed of diesel fuel and compression needed for ignition. It plays a similar role for diesel as octane rating does for gasoline. The CN is an important factor in determining the quality of diesel fuel, but not the only one; other measurements of diesel fuel's quality include (but are not limited to) energy content, density, lubricity, cold-flow properties and […]"
52:57 <Nothing\> K, well i know what that means i just don't know what cetane is i've never heard of it
52:58 <K> C(16)H(34)
53:06 <K> huge ass hydrocarbon
53:07 * Nothing\ cocks his head trying to picture it
53:09 <Nothing\> yeah
53:16 <Nothing\> wtf is it a wax
53:46 <Nothing\> usually you get above 10 carbons they're solid at room temperature
53:49 <Nothing\> 10-12
54:02 <Nothing\> i guess it depends on double or cyclical bonds
54:28 <rust1> does it matter? it is just a rating comparing to that stuff
54:30 <Nothing\> but yeah i've gotta look this thing up
54:42 <Nothing\> rust1, because it's a chemical i've never heard of and i need to know what it is now
54:48 <Nothing\> because i need to know everything i don't know
55:19 <rust1> that is fine, but why not look into the thing you can have a use for?
56:02 <rust1> speaking of that. do you remember the octane rating of nitromethane?
05:07 <Nothing\> rust1, why can't i look into both?
05:12 <Nothing\> i have no use for anything right now
05:17 <Nothing\> when i do, i'll learn about it
05:22 <Nothing\> no need, that is
05:31 <Nothing\> mean time i'll learn about whatever i can
05:59 <rust1> meh, do what you want
08:16 <Nothing\> hexadecane
08:19 <Nothing\> not cetane
08:43 <Nothing\> i thought that's what it was but i was thrown off by the name
09:30 <Nothing\> huh still a liquid at that point
10:13 <Nothing\> that's weird because i remember when i first got into o-chem trying to look up the first 20 or so alkanes and past 9 or 10 i couldn't get much information at all on them. Maybe one sentence descriptions.
10:35 <Nothing\> i was trying to find the point at which they transition from liquids to solids
11:20 <Nothing\> oh, just barely a liquid
11:25 <Nothing\> melting point is 18c lol
13:15 <Nothing\> actually i guess that's not much different from the fat in your gravy. It melts when it's warm, but stick it in the fridge and the fats all solidify into white chunks. Which btw is a great way to help you lose weight. If you have anything with liquid fat that turns solid like that you can just skim some of it off and every 14g you remove is about an hour worth of exercise you don't have to do to burn it off.
13:36 <Nothing\> or when it's liquid on something like pizza or bacon, dab it off with a paper towel
14:06 <Nothing\> i mean i've never had any results with it. But I heard from a guy on youtube who knew a guy who knew a guy. So you can't get more credible than that.
14:27 <Nothing\> i always say, anything more than 7 degrees of separation from the source is too many
14:55 <Nothing\> (you can never have more than 7 degrees of separation from any person on the planet apparently)
15:05 <Nothing\> or maybe it's 8 i forget. But it's surprisingly few people.
15:34 <Nothing\> shit, i realized even i only have what?... 3 degrees of separation between myself and the queen of england
15:40 <Nothing\> and 2 between me and meghan markel
16:15 <Nothing\> my brother was friends with a guy who dated her in high school
16:58 <Nothing\> lol the idea of knowing somebody as being an achievement is weird to me though
17:02 <Nothing\> now that i really think about it
17:30 <rust1> well, if you know no one, I guess it would be
17:35 <Nothing\> people actually take pride in the people they know, or people they've even met. Not even actually. Even if it was just you know somebody who once MET somebody famous, it's braggable.
17:46 <Nothing\> rust1, i know Nothing\
17:51 <rust1> oooh
17:51 <Nothing\> wait a minute
18:07 <Nothing\> is that what that colonel schultz was always talking about on Hogan's Heroes?
18:21 <Nothing\> when he always says "I SAW NOZEENG!"
18:37 <Nothing\> damn i've gotta dl that show that was a good show
18:55 <Nothing\> sad what happened to the guy who played Hogan though. I always feel bummed out a bit when I watch it because of that.
19:09 <Nothing\> a psycho caved his skull in with camera equipment in his home
19:25 <Nothing\> at least... i think that's what happened
19:51 <Nothing\> either way after the sharon tate thing, i woulda hauled ass outta hollywood for at least a decade
24:00 <rust1> there is a place in germany called dingolfing. I like that
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39:36 <rust1> oh, there is that guy too
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46:38 * electrohead beers rust1
47:15 <rust1> ooh, more sticky again. good thing I did not shower after the last time
47:51 <electrohead> lol
48:51 <rust1> I am looking at maps again. I have a thing for doing that
48:59 <electrohead> yet another keyboard project I stumbled upon - https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/the-rollercoaster-of-developing-the-ultimate-hackable-keyboard/
49:00 <EEVBot> [url] The Rollercoaster Of Developing The Ultimate Hackable Keyboard | Hackaday | hackaday.com
49:08 <electrohead> rust1: maps for what?
49:29 <rust1> just maps. today, it is google maps.
51:59 <rust1> that is almost the sort of keyboard I want. sort of like a laptop keyboard, just with an usb.
52:22 <rust1> it needs to be a bit more armoured than that, but
52:30 <electrohead> have you heard of qmk?
52:43 <rust1> not that I can remember
52:49 <electrohead> https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/
52:50 <EEVBot> [GitHub] qmk/qmk_firmware - Open-source keyboard firmware for Atmel AVR and Arm USB families | 93.8% C 3.2% Makefile 2.2% C++ 0.8% Other | Last Push: 2022-08-03 - 11:32:05EDT | Stargazers: 12928 | Watchers: 231 | Forks: 27532 | Network: 27532 | Open Issues: 728
54:15 <rust1> mmhf
56:22 <electrohead> https://i.redd.it/11pqn9zz2hf91.jpg
56:24 <EEVBot> [reddit] Found in the wild, couldn't restist posting to r/WhatsWrongWithYourDog | 17943 points (97.0%) | 216 comments | Posted by micindra | Created at 2022-08-03 - 06:06:29EDT | https://redd.it/wf2n6y
01:39 <rust1> someone should make a case with an adapter for old stinkpad keyboards. and dogs that do not try to look dead
06:50 <rust1> fox tossing... that is a sport that should be on tv
19:15 <electrohead> fox tossing?
19:17 <electrohead> lol
20:59 <rust1> yep. they had 2 lines of people, holding each end of ... say it was a tarp, or something. then they would release a fox, so it would run over the tarp, then they would yank on the tarp, and see how far they could launch it into the air
21:26 <rust1> it was apparently a big thing, in the 1600s
21:46 <electrohead> that's fucked up, but .. funny at the same time
21:53 <rust1> yes
52:47 <rust1> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Goose_pulling
52:48 <EEVBot> [url] Goose pulling - Wikiwand | www.wikiwand.com
59:52 <T3sl4> neat, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCa4EMcWuoI
59:52 <EEVBot> [url] Geldingadalir Volcano, Iceland LIVE! Close-up - YouTube | www.youtube.com
42:48 <Nothing> yy; kjg; ragl g; jsoognpd
42:57 <Nothing> the hell?
43:01 <Nothing> how'd my keyboard get changed
43:23 <Nothing> i don't do that unless i'm playing a game that doesn't support dvorak because remapping every damn key for a game is a bitch
44:33 <Nothing> lol there was one game where it had a "dvorak" setting for the keyboard which apparently turns your qwerty layout into dvorak just in the game. But it implies it fixes the keymap to work with a dvorak layout, which it most certain does not.
45:38 <Nothing> i've heard about some keyboard "maps" or typing systems that are like stenography where you only use maybe 8 keys but you use "chords" or combinations of keys in lieu of single key presses
46:01 <Nothing> although stenography goes a step further where each chord corresponds to an entire syllable
46:23 <Nothing> i tried to learn it once thinking it would be just like learning dvorak and holy crap it is not intuitive or easy at all.
47:16 <Nothing> hahaha omg i just remembered having a dream last night about that amateur radio station i keep picking up on my headphones on my Switch
48:57 <Nothing> man i wish so much i could figure out what frequency that is but i don't even know what's picking it up, much less how it's tuned. I just know it's so touchy that just replacing the headphones loses the signal so the fact that it's perfectly tuned to a frequency somebody a block from here is broadcasting on, just purely by chance, is a hell of a coincidence.
49:16 <Nothing> i'm still tempted to knock on his door and let him know i'm picking up his station
50:00 <Nothing> lol i bet if i soldered like a 10pf cap between my headphones and the extension cord it'd detune the circuit
50:42 <Nothing> i guess what i COULD do is strip a section of cord on my headphones and i could probe it with that
50:58 <Nothing> maybe even send the signal through to a buffered push/pull amp
51:31 <Nothing> or just a simple non-inverting op amp... amp
52:08 <Nothing> i already have a pair of matched power BJTs mounted on a hefty sized heatsink so i'm just dying to find a use for them lol
52:29 <Nothing> but this is probably overkill for 2500 watt bjts
52:47 <rust1> hmm?
53:13 <Nothing> yes, indeed
53:15 <Nothing> hmm
53:28 <Nothing> rust1, i'm pleased to report that after a nap and another poop i'm no longer in pain
53:34 <rust1> what bjts have you found? and, I guess you could maybe get something out of an opamp
53:35 <Nothing> but holy crap man, i was in a bad way earlier
53:46 <rust1> oh, painless is better
53:47 <Nothing> i didn't mention it because the pain wasn't unbearable. But ugh.
53:52 <Nothing> definitely
54:02 <Nothing> especially when you're in pain on literally a daily basis for almost a year
54:39 <rust1> so, I want to know what bjts you have on a heat sink, lol
54:42 <Nothing> but at least i've FINALLY found some patterns in it and figured out a few things i can do to help at least mitigate it.
54:55 <Nothing> so i've cut it back from being almost constant to just being 6-8 hours a day
55:01 <rust1> I like things on heat sinks
55:09 <Nothing> rust1, lol ones i took out of a stereo amplifier
55:21 <Nothing> they're not 2500 watt though, it's just 250
55:23 <Nothing> but still
55:39 <Nothing> https://www.onsemi.com/pdf/datasheet/mj15003-d.pdf
55:42 <rust1> is it some japanese model number ones?
55:47 <rust1> oh, ok
55:53 <Nothing> yeah mj i think is motorola
56:14 <Nothing> heh somewhere i've got a databook of motorola's ECL line of chips
56:16 <rust1> those are pretty chunky
56:34 <Nothing> that is, emitter coupled logic. Which is a weird logic family that uses diff pairs for the input stage
56:54 <Nothing> apparently they used such logic in the flight computer for the space shuttle
57:08 <Nothing> and i noticed some 54F chips on the board
57:19 <Nothing> which F is apparently Fast... bjt something
57:36 <rust1> I think you should try to use an opamp, and see if that does not disturb your radio too much
58:01 <Nothing> it's funny how the machines they make are cutting edge, but because of necessary rad hardening, the computer technology is always about 20 years behind and can't use CMOS.
58:34 <Nothing> rust1, yeah i was gonna buffer it through an op amp
58:37 <Nothing> at least, that's the plan
58:42 <Nothing> but i don't want to destroy my headphones
58:59 <Nothing> they're good headphones and they're the longest lasting pair i've ever had.
59:24 <Nothing> every pair i've ever had ended up dead within a year. But I've had these for almost 10 years now and they still work perfect.
59:30 <rust1> so, does it still radio, if you put an extension on it?
59:36 <Nothing> nope
59:43 <Nothing> well it already has an extension
59:49 <Nothing> but that's a good idea
59:56 <Nothing> i didn't think the extension cord is expendible
00:27 <Nothing> mainly because my old extension cord died (wire broke inside the insulation :/) and it took me forever to find a brick and mortar shop that sold them.
00:41 <Nothing> I remember just 10 years ago i could find them in any dollar store i went to. I dunno what happened.
01:03 <Nothing> ever since i moved it seems i can never find what i need/want at the store. And if I do, it's not there the next time.
01:19 <Nothing> or if I find a type of food I like, they stop making it a couple months later.
01:48 <Nothing> man i really DO have ADD don't I? Just looking at how many subjects I just jumped between in the span of about a minute
02:09 <rust1> probably, or some other thing, who knows?
02:12 <Nothing> or some sort of clinically significantly short attention span
03:04 <Nothing> rust1, yeah it's just a label as far as i'm concerned and doesn't change anything.
03:19 <Nothing> that's why i've never been too worried about getting an accurate diagnosis
03:41 <Nothing> i've got my anxiety and drug addiction diagnoses, those are pretty cut and dry. But even those don't matter.
03:53 <rust1> I am still wondering if I should. if nothing else, I would have a couple day off from work, lol
03:54 <Nothing> I mean what's it change? It's not like it makes it so he can give me a pill to make it better.
04:11 <Nothing> if you should what?
04:18 <Nothing> take a vacation?
04:29 <rust1> get my brain drilled. i mean, get diagnosed
04:35 <rust1> I am on vacation
04:37 <Nothing> oh heh
04:49 <Nothing> well, it wouldn't hurt anything as long as you don't take it seriously.
04:56 <Nothing> i didn't know you had issues of that nature though.
05:12 <Nothing> but i guess we're good at hiding it.
05:17 <rust1> they asked, when kid #3 had her diag work done, but I was not sure
05:42 <Nothing> rust1, actually in that vein, it would definitely be beneficial if your children are having issues of that sort
06:04 <Nothing> if you can get an (ACCURATE) diagnosis, it can potentially (key word) lead them on the right path for your kids
06:14 <Nothing> or it might make them go down the wrong path and focus on the wrong thing
06:37 <Nothing> like i'd always been told my dad was bipolar growing up, so that's what i told my shrinks, so that's what i was always diagnosed with.
06:45 <Nothing> Then my dad tells me he's never been bipolar.
06:46 <rust1> why? they have it, me knowing that i have it does not change anything. I have gooten used to living with me, so... i am just not sure if it is worth it
07:01 <Nothing> rust1, because genetics
07:12 <rust1> the genetics are already there
07:20 <Nothing> but on the other hand, you don't need a label to tell you you're screwed in the head
07:27 <Nothing> it's pretty easy to figure that out
07:30 <Nothing> well
07:32 <rust1> no, I know that much
07:35 <Nothing> depends on the condition
07:54 <Nothing> the ones where you have no insight into the fact that you're hallucinating or delusional are just scary
08:01 <Nothing> losing control to that degree
08:27 <Nothing> and waking up in a white room tied to a bed with no memory of how or why you're there is no bueno
08:43 <rust1> nah, I just can not focus on things. that is pretty much it. and I like saying exactly what i think, without thinking about it. which is fun too
09:21 <Nothing> "NUUUURRRSE NUURRRRRSE NUURRRRRRRRRSE!" "WHAT?!" "Why am I strapped to this bed?" "because you won't stop screaming at us" "I won't stop screaming at you because I have no idea why i'm strapped to a bed"
09:45 <Nothing> rust1, that's my coping mechanism too
09:57 <Nothing> ignore it, pretend it isn't happening or didn't happen
10:11 <Nothing> at the very least, it doesn't add any "psychic fuel" to the fire so to speak
10:33 <Nothing> that is, by thinking about and obsessing over a problem you make it seem worse
10:55 <rust1> I am not doing that. I just have not been diagnosed. I am not making a thing out of it. and i am used to being me, so it is not too bad
11:01 <Nothing> whereas if you just sort of acknowledge it and deal with it if you can without thinking about it too much, it's not as big a deal. Make sense?
11:17 <Nothing> rust1, no i know i just meant in terms of not focusing on it
11:37 <rust1> I can not focus on anything, how would I do that?
11:43 <Nothing> i dunno how it works in norway but the system's shit here in terms of how it works
11:58 <Nothing> healthcare doesn't pay for any sort of "talking" therapy
12:18 <Nothing> so all you get is a psychiatrist, who despite what you see on TV, his only job is to prescribe medications, that's it.
12:51 <Nothing> and as he so realistically put it, there's no magic pill he can give me to make all of my problems disappear. So that's a big reason I'm not worried about getting a diagnosis.
12:51 <rust1> nah, we have a pretty ok system for this. just my opinion
13:03 <Nothing> clinically, a diagnosis is only useful if you can treat it.
13:07 <Nothing> at least in this case
13:21 <Nothing> if i'm diagnosed with say, borderline what can i do?
13:23 <Nothing> what's it change?
13:25 <Nothing> nothing
13:43 <rust1> well, knowing what your issues can be, can be good to know about.
13:58 <Nothing> i'm still the same person i always was. I'm still just as impotent in the face of my problems as i ever was. So why expend so much time and energy on it? you know?
14:15 <Nothing> rust1, that's true as well. Just knowing can certainly bring peace of mind. good point.
14:25 <rust1> if you are aware of it, maybe you can see what is happening, if it does, so you do not have to worry about that thing happening
14:40 <Nothing> I know there have been times where I've literally wished I was schizophrenic or something just so I would know for certain what was wrong with me
14:43 <Nothing> "wrong"
15:01 <Nothing> or hell for all i know, i'm on thta spectrum
15:09 <Nothing> which schizophrenia is a spectrum disorder
15:48 <Nothing> rust1, yeah but the worst situation at least imo is when you ARE aware of it but you're powerless to do anything about it
16:00 <Nothing> i do things like that sooooo much. Especially with my addictions.
16:34 <Nothing> but yeah, they say knowing is the first step. And although that's in the context of addiction, it applies to just about everything in life.
16:48 <Nothing> or if you're a fan of GI Joe "knowing is half the battle"
17:00 <Nothing> if only... I'd say knowing is just the beginning
17:20 <Nothing> plus there are some things i'd just rather not know
18:39 <Nothing> i'm sure you can relate to being... I guess you'd call it hyperaware. Where you're overly aware of everything and you see things which are wrong and/or bothersome, but you feel like you're the only one who does because (not to denigrade them) everybody is on a lower level of awareness than you are
18:51 <Nothing> for lack of a more grounded, less crazy sounding explanation
19:12 <Nothing> basically you just see problems everywhere that everybody else seems to be ignorant to
20:19 <Nothing> holy crap
20:25 <Nothing> 43 degrees outside with the humidity
20:47 <Nothing> lol but it's only 28
21:27 <Nothing> feels like a damn rainforest lately with this humidity though. It's the sort of weather where you're wet and sticky constantly either from sweat, or moisture in the air, or both. And neither evaporates to save its life.
22:46 <Nothing> hey i was just thinking
23:07 <Nothing> aren't things like The Count on Sesame Street, or Count Chocula racist?
23:28 <Nothing> they're like, stereotypes of gyppos
23:43 <Nothing> also lol @ hexchat not highlighting gyppo as a misspelled word
25:09 <Nothing> bored
25:22 <Nothing> guess i'll farm more of this stupid item in final fantasy
25:32 <Nothing> or maybe i should finally just finish it and move on to new game+
25:42 <Nothing> like i should have 6 months ago
26:25 <Nothing> supposed to have a 0.4% drop rate but out of 800 battles i haven't come across a single damn one
27:09 <Nothing> bah, flimshaw
30:18 * Ampera hugs Nothing
30:22 <Ampera> you lost your hat!
48:18 <rust1> ok, mom called. it was nothing. no not you
55:00 * Nothing powerhugs Ampera 
55:03 <Nothing> heya buddy how's it going?
55:13 <Nothing> lol rust1
55:20 <Nothing> see, that's why i have the slash on my name
55:30 <Nothing> when you say it was nothing i know you mean the word
55:51 <Nothing> where if you say it was nothing\, even without capitalizing my name i know you're talking about me
00:06 <rust1> hmm, this glue is called rapid. it also says it takes 24 hours/mm to set. I wonder what their non-rapid version needs
01:41 <rust1> ohwell, i will use my metal hot glue. that sets up very quickly
11:36 <rust1> and, it is 9. I think it is time for breakfast
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17:25 <rust1> now you are just being difficult....
19:42 Quit: Nothing ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
28:59 <Not_Something\> indeed...
29:03 Nick: Not_Something\ is now known as Nothing\
29:12 <Nothing\> stupid internet
29:20 <rust1> hello!
29:23 <Nothing\> i was just thinking, i should make a BCD clock
29:52 <Nothing\> i've always wanted one and i think making a clock would be pretty easy. Even without using mains frequency as a reference, I have a ton of unused crystals
30:39 <rust1> hmm? binary clock?
31:17 <Nothing\> and i made sure to buy 10 of every frequency they had, which I think was like that 32.768khz or whatever it is, not sure what's up with the oddly specific power of 2 frequency. But the rest are like 1Mhz to 50 or so
31:30 <Nothing\> rust1, yeah a clock with a binary coded decimal display
31:40 <rust1> okay
31:53 <Nothing\> they're fun little esoteric nerd toys
32:03 <rust1> certainly nerdy
32:49 <Nothing\> there's really no advantage to using them. The display isn't any smaller as you still require 1 byte for each minute and second, and still 2 digits for the hour
32:49 <rust1> remember to use ultra bright blue leds, and keep them close together, so they are impossible to read
33:00 <Nothing\> rust1, i LOATHE blue LEDs
33:22 <rust1> they are ok. if used for things where you need a blue led
33:25 <Nothing\> i've actually taped pieces of card over every blue LED in my house because they literally blind me at night
33:38 <Nothing\> i catch a glimpse of one and BOOM there goes my night vision for the next 5 minutes
34:04 <Nothing\> and they have this strange look to them, like they're not entirely all the way "there"
34:17 <Nothing\> like they exist half in this reality and half outside of it
34:19 <rust1> I had to replace the onne in the wifes tv, with a red one, and a big resistor.
34:30 <rust1> they do.
34:55 <Nothing\> lol i guess when it comes to quantum phenomena that's true
35:01 <rust1> she was not very happy about that. but I wanted to sleep
35:08 <Nothing\> lol
35:11 <Nothing\> that's not a bad idea
35:30 <Nothing\> i've heard of people removing the piezo buzzer from their microwave to make it "night time friendly"
35:41 <Nothing\> frankly I'd just wire it to a toggle switch.
35:55 <rust1> it only says the tv is plugged in, and ready. it does not have to be supr bright, or blue
36:08 <Nothing\> cut a little hole for the switch in the panel of the thing and stick it out through there
36:25 <rust1> I have never had a microwave with a buzzer
36:30 <Nothing\> rust1, i'm lucky my TV's "i'm plugged in" light is only a tiny red one
36:40 <Nothing\> but half of the LEDs in my modem ar eblue
36:44 <rust1> so is the wifes, now
36:56 <Nothing\> and my computer is covered in RGBs which i haven't bothered figuring out how to disable
37:08 <rust1> just unplug them?
37:09 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure there's a switch somewhere or something in the UEFI
37:16 <rust1> probably
37:20 <Nothing\> no they're built into the PSU
37:43 <rust1> oh. damn gamers
37:49 <Nothing\> yeah i know
38:04 <Nothing\> they put more effort into fuckin RGBs in this thing than they did into making it functional
38:14 <Nothing\> ie not blocking every expansion port
38:16 <rust1> I had to spend almost an hour fixing my mouse. it is ok now.
38:45 <Nothing\> i always screw up the clickiness of the scrollwheel when I disassembled a mouse
39:05 <rust1> removed all rgb things, removed all the extra switches, and glued the buttons in place
39:08 <Nothing\> there's a little spring or something i can never get back in it so the wheel just rolls freely afterwards
39:17 <Nothing\> lol
39:30 <Nothing\> glued the buttons in place?
39:35 <rust1> I hate this stuff.
39:36 <rust1> yes
39:49 <Nothing\> sounds like it would defeat the purpose of a mouse if you glued the buttons in place
39:51 <Nothing\> :P
40:10 <rust1> without the switches, you would just pop the buttons inside the case, this thing had buttons all over
40:19 <Nothing\> did you put tape over the sensor on the bottom too so it can't spy on your mouse's movements?
40:20 <Nothing\> :P
40:39 <Nothing\> yeah i figured it was something like that i was just pulling your leg
40:44 <Nothing\> twisting your leg?
40:50 <Nothing\> doing something to it, anyways
40:55 <rust1> good luck
41:12 <Nothing\> are you missing a leg now?
41:27 <Nothing\> first you're female, now you're a parapalegic
41:35 <rust1> I am pretty happy about the quality of my legs. I only broke my foot once, but other than that, they have been very good
41:52 <Nothing\> i have a bad habit of breaking toes
41:54 <Nothing\> but that's about it
42:07 <rust1> toes does not count. that is only annoying
42:22 <Nothing\> though i tore a ton of soft tissue, tendons and ligaments by rolling both ankles severely in separate incidents
43:02 <rust1> I managed to drop a round baler on my foot. that was non-ideal, and tricky to get off, as I was sort of stuck, lol
43:02 <Nothing\> ankles suck like that
43:06 <Nothing\> they roll too damn easy
43:22 <Nothing\> especially in running shoes
43:40 <rust1> I think they made 2 or 3 different model ancles. some are less twisty than others
44:00 <Nothing\> it's just a kluge of rocks basically
44:10 <rust1> running shoes. I have seen those
44:14 <steve30> o/
44:45 <rust1> I did get a pair of those in the military, but never used them
45:11 <rust1> I also never ran, in the time I was there. so it is fine
45:57 <rust1> I think they were nike, but in a weird grey/darker grey color
46:18 <DHess_US> https://img.ifunny.co/images/dcc49a66458d15c8320083be73a27693d5d060c182fd07526a8a16ed162b5360_1.webp
46:20 <rust1> butt, dinner is ready...
28:07 <rust_collector> not what I was hoping for, but: https://imgbb.com/
28:08 <EEVBot> [url] ImgBB — Upload Image — Free Image Hosting | imgbb.com
28:18 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/TRPc8Zh
28:19 <EEVBot> [url] craiyon-222556-dog-on-tandem-bicycle-br — ImgBB | ibb.co
39:16 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/FHgZjFV not bad
39:17 <EEVBot> [url] craiyon-223739-deep-purple-cat-br — ImgBB | ibb.co
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05:12 <Ampera> Well, looks like the washer has shit itself proper
05:26 <Ampera> after about 3 days of messing with it, I've come to the conclusion that it has to be the control board
05:56 <Ampera> there are even some suspicious shitstain looking spots next to some components, but the real evidence is the pins described by the service manual to have 120VAC while the pump is enabled, do not have 120VAC
05:57 <rust_collector> YAY! that is a conclusion
06:36 <Ampera> it must be said, even though it's fucked, this washing machine is remarkably nice to work on
07:08 <Ampera> full service manual available free online, has a complete service mode with complete input/output tests
07:22 <rust_collector> heh, who made that?
07:23 <Ampera> can do stuff like individually test/enable water valves, drain pump, et.c
07:25 <Ampera> amana
08:02 <Ampera> it's 12 years old, which seems like a short lifespan for a washing machine, and this failure mode is kinda stupid
08:17 <rust_collector> nah, these days, 12 years is not bad
08:33 <Ampera> maybe I'm too used to people who were rocking ancient toploaders pushing 30 years
08:53 <Ampera> oh well, at least it's not my washing machine :D
09:01 <Ampera> /that/ is the good news
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09:22 <rust_collector> we still have one, that is from the 70s, we just keep it around, because we know the new one will fail some day
09:44 <Ampera> like, if this control board hadn't died, the parts in there look like they'd have been good for a while
09:51 <Ampera> probably the worst worn part is the main seal, and that's replaceable
09:55 <rust_collector> probably
10:01 <Ampera> if anything it's just dirty
10:18 <Ampera> I should go back to fixing furnaces, those are easier though
10:24 <Ampera> you don't have to move the whole fucker just to get into it
11:07 <rust_collector> I have never heard of amana. interesting
20:08 <rust_collector> https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-table/2-290340/Bahrain/Manama/Manama
20:09 <EEVBot> [url] Yr - Manama - Long term forecast | www.yr.no
20:34 <rust_collector> look, Nothing\ it says "feels like"
21:11 <rust_collector> and where is hsn when you think of him
23:31 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/9crkRbw he is hard to forget
23:31 <EEVBot> [url] hsn2-teabagging-JPG — ImgBB | ibb.co
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22:15 * Halcyon licks Ampera
22:40 <rust_collector> yes, spread my diseases
23:20 Nick: Halcyon is now known as Halcyon1
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23:51 <Halcyon_Work> What diseases do you have rust_collector ?
24:00 <Halcyon_Work> BRB, phone is being shit again
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24:22 <rust_collector> oh, I have not been diagnosed. you can probably choose
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26:01 <Halcyon_Work> I don't know why but sometimes my phone just gets "stuck" on HSPA and not 5G
26:04 <Halcyon_Work> Stupid thing
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26:22 <rust_collector> mine only does "E"
26:31 <Halcyon_Work> Edge? Really?
26:48 <rust_collector> either 4g, or edge
27:14 <rust_collector> in the bathroom, it is usually edge
27:26 <rust_collector> if I go away from here, I get 4g
27:38 <Halcyon_Work> I don't think EDGE is even a thing here anymore
28:00 <Halcyon_Work> I think that went when they shut down 2G here
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28:17 <rust_collector> the transmitter thing is broken, and it is where they are building the new train station, so they will not fix it, until that is done
28:31 <rust_collector> we still have 2g. but no 3g
28:48 <Halcyon_Work> I see
30:16 * Ampera hugs Halcyon_Work 
30:54 <Halcyon_Work> \o/
31:10 <Ampera> how are you do, mr laborer?
31:36 <Halcyon_Work> I'm good, I'll be glad when it's the weekend. I'm on the train. Going into the office 3 days this week
31:40 <Halcyon_Work> How are you doing?
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31:58 <Ampera> recovering from doing what you are doing
32:03 <Ampera> just without a train
32:13 <Ampera> I arrived there via drift box
32:19 <Halcyon_Work> Heh
34:58 * Halcyon_Work pokes electrohead 
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35:07 <Halcyon_Work> Did you fall asleep on the couch?
37:07 * Ampera locks Halcyon_Work into an LXC container
37:57 <Halcyon_Work> THe concept seems oddly similar to the series Severance (if you haven't seen it, give it a go, it's *very* good
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46:36 <Ampera> electrohead, Ysjoelfir, the minecraft server is back up. It should also be faster now
48:45 <Ampera> testing it out, I can go straight forward and generate tons of world without it eating my CPU for breakfast
49:59 <jaymax> \o_
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51:31 * Ampera stabs jaymax with turd dough
52:30 Nick: Halcyon is now known as Halcyon1
54:23 <steve30> hi Halcyon1
54:30 <Halcyon1> Hey Steve :)
54:35 <Halcyon1> How are you going?
54:57 <steve30> I managed to go to the gym earlier
55:07 <Halcyon1> I was going to ask... how did that go?
55:12 <steve30> And tomorrow I'm going to see fetish-site-guy, whom I've not seen since last summer
55:29 <Halcyon1> Yeh I remember, it's been ages
55:29 <steve30> quite good actually, i managed to do quite a lot despite being tired, and I feel better for it
55:43 <Halcyon1> Good boy :)
19:38 <Halcyon1> You guys all have a good day/night. I'm about to jump off the train soon.
19:42 <Halcyon1> (Not literally)
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19:52 <Ampera> boring
19:54 <Ampera> take a plane next time
28:22 <jaymax> Weird.... reconnected `profanity` to this chat 40 mins ago. Looks like I can send but not read.
29:05 <rust_collector> 
29:30 <jaymax> Just reconnected. Thanks for the verification, rusty.
29:40 <rust_collector> sure. lol
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55:08 <jaymax> Hehhe https://taibbi.substack.com/p/how-crazy-ass-tom-cruise-and-top
55:08 <EEVBot> [url] How Crazy-Ass Tom Cruise and "Top Gun" Saved America | taibbi.substack.com
13:46 <electrohead> o/
14:50 <Ampera> hello electrohead
14:52 <Ampera> minecraft server is back
14:53 <Ampera> and is faster
14:57 <Ampera> and no longer destroys my server
16:33 <electrohead> lol, hell yeah
37:42 <DHess_US> Fucking assholes took the magnetic stripe off of our driver's licenses. Now I can't demagnetize it and watch the officer waste time swiping it.
58:44 <electrohead> lol
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22:46 <rust_collector> wow you people have been busy
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17:11 <dogwo> @rust_collector, we've all been beep burp blarp squilurple izzy wizzy lets get busy
17:34 <rust_collector> aha! good good
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17:09 <K> hello hex-heads
18:04 <rust1> boingboing (bohnenvergiftung) K
22:45 <K> indeed.
31:43 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/wflooc/the_young_magpie_that_hangs_out_around_our_house/
31:43 <EEVBot> [reddit] The young magpie that hangs out around our house loves to stop for a chat. (https://v.redd.it/c2mib40l3lf91) to r/aww | 5924 points (99.0%) | 116 comments | Posted by 3nzo_the_baker | Created at 2022-08-03 - 23:37:10UTC
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01:03 <rust1> hsn !!! wake up!
06:53 <K> he busy
07:00 <K> with java
19:35 <rust1> poor guy
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27:02 <Ampera> goooood morning
27:09 <Ampera> java is sad
27:15 <Ampera> so sad to hear this
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30:42 <K> modern java is not that sad
31:05 <K> but we've been over this before
31:30 <rust1> oh, it is sad
31:49 <rust1> maybe it has been more sad, but it is still sad
34:15 <Ampera> it's not rad
34:17 <Ampera> or bad
34:20 <Ampera> or plaid
34:22 <Ampera> but it is sad
38:26 <K> ur sad
39:37 <Ampera> cry for me, bitch
40:49 <K> :|
40:53 <K> a spank.
40:59 <Ampera> ahhh, nice. no meetings for the next two days
41:08 <Ampera> watch someone put a 2-3 five minutes from my saying this
41:16 <K> you had meetings on saturdays?
41:26 <Ampera> no
41:32 <Ampera> today and tomorrow I mean
41:32 <rust1> I do not do meetings
41:42 <K> meetings do you
41:44 <Ampera> rust1, but do you do meatings
41:52 <rust1> oh yes.
41:57 <rust1> but that is secret
42:03 <K> get meated!
42:14 <Ampera> oooooooooohhhh yeaaaaaaaaaaahhh
42:31 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJkdRaa04g
42:32 <EEVBot> [url] Yello - Oh Yeah (Official Video) - YouTube | www.youtube.com
42:59 <rust1> ooh, the other good little hitlers
43:34 <Ampera> lol
43:48 <rust1> Ok, I just put my jacket on
44:01 <Ampera> you bad biker boi uuu
44:38 <rust1> biker? (bikarbonat) I do not bike....
44:48 <Ampera> you tractor
44:49 <Ampera> close enough
44:55 <rust1> well, ok
45:28 <K> bikermice
45:34 <K> (from mars)
45:57 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdSDuJu04xU
45:57 <EEVBot> [url] Biker Mice from Mars Intro - YouTube | www.youtube.com
46:36 <Ampera> this is way too late 80's early 90's for me
48:23 <rust1> it was a time...
48:43 <rust1> so many really shitty shows like that, lol.
49:34 <rust1> maybe it is time to watch something newer than that
49:39 <rust1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGSrWPQ46vA
49:40 <EEVBot> [url] Troublesome Tractor x3 Episodes | Season 1 DVD Collection | Shaun the Sheep - YouTube | www.youtube.com
53:42 <Ampera> I need to watch the rest of the original series for fist of the north star
53:51 <Ampera> it's a good show, just not something that I want to watch all that often
54:00 <Ampera> it's as boiled down 80's action as you can get
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01:42 <jackbrown> hello
01:44 <jackbrown> anyone here
01:54 <jackbrown> what about the besta Lithium batteris for a solar system?
02:26 <Ampera> everyone is sleeping, go back to bed
02:38 <jackbrown> I'm in Italy here is 13:00 day
02:43 <jackbrown> Ampera: where are you from?
02:46 <Ampera> obviously italy's clock is wrong
02:56 <rust1> up here, it is 1.02
02:58 <Ampera> I am from new york
03:11 <jackbrown> Ampera: no it's not, sun is shining and it's fucking hot as hell here! (around 37 °C)
03:21 <Ampera> what's a C
03:34 <jackbrown> Ampera: Celsius degrees we don't use Farenheit
03:35 <rust1> it is similar to awk, just much more
03:47 <jackbrown> Do you guys talk about solar system here ?
04:11 <jackbrown> I'm looking for the Sunny Island SMA system that is basically a battery charger and is capable of handle AC and DC current
04:32 <Ampera> wait around for MrMobodies to be around
04:47 <Ampera> afaik he's the last person around here to pray to the mighty sun gods
05:30 <jackbrown> Ampera: thanks
05:50 <Ampera> you can also try the forums, this channel is more of a discussion thing
05:57 <Ampera> the last time were on topic was
05:58 <Ampera> uh
06:00 <Ampera> >.>
06:26 <rust1> not sure, I have disabled the topic bar thing
06:48 <Ampera> it just says we're the Official IRC channel of the EEVBlog
06:52 <Ampera> which is a lot like baseball
07:00 <Ampera> we're the official vacuum cleaner brand of the new york red sox
07:20 <Ampera> idk why I'm bothering to make a baseball joke, I'm the only one who'd even get it :P
08:06 <jackbrown> Ampera: thanks but the forum are "slow"
08:14 <Ampera> IRC is slower
08:21 <rust1> the irc is worse, don't worry
08:39 <Ampera> we're all slow here
08:44 <rust1> but, if you are waiting for the sun, you have plenty of time
08:48 <jackbrown> Ampera: doesn't seem so
09:05 <jackbrown> rust1: I don't need sun to have infos
09:10 <Ampera> especially jaymax, he's canadian so they think that he's slow, eh?
09:25 <jackbrown> for example which is the best technology for Li battery in your opinion ?
09:32 <Ampera> what is best
09:46 <Ampera> price? capacity? peak discharge? tendency to explode?
09:54 <rust1> I have no comment about that.
10:06 <Ampera> for solar systems there's still some argument to be made about deep cycle lead acid
10:14 <Ampera> all depends on what you can find, and how homemade you're going
12:00 <Ampera> I wonder if anyone's done NiMH for solar
12:00 <rust1> I think someone should invent an ac battery. that would be good
12:11 <Ampera> rust1, just shake a lead acid a lot
12:12 <Ampera> you'll get AC
12:13 <jackbrown> Ok let's say that the Sunny Island from SMA is basically a battery charger and accept, from the DC side, batteries 48V and 100Ah minimum till 10.000h
12:32 <jackbrown> It runs with Lead acid (all type) and various approved Lithium battery pack
12:42 <rust1> many have used nimh for solar, but probably just for garden lights and small systems
12:49 <jackbrown> Ampera: rust1 if I give you the approved list of batteries can you take a look ?
12:58 <Ampera> The advantage of lead acid, is not only is it cheap, but it's also less dangerous
13:14 <Ampera> so if blowing yourself up concerns you, I'd stick to lead acid, and keep in mind they do still leak hydrogen when charging
13:28 <rust1> I have no idea about batteries. sorry
13:34 <Ampera> I don't either
13:37 <Ampera> I make this shit up as I go along
14:04 <jackbrown> Ampera: but lead acid you cannot discharge more than 50% to keep them in good healt (at least about what i heard and what the Sunny Island does since it care first of all of the battery health)
14:18 <rust1> Ithin klead acis is more likely to blow up than lithium, but those catch fire much more
14:25 <Ampera> ^
14:28 <Ampera> that's mostly what I mean
14:38 <Ampera> if you can vent hydrogen and keep it away from sparks, it's probably okay
14:42 <jackbrown> anyway here is the Sunny Island https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5354537ce4b0e65f5c20d562/t/5b279298758d468433092a31/1529320092855/SMA+Sunny+Island+SI_6H_8H-DEN1642-V21+datasheet.pdf
14:44 <rust1> so, keep them at more than 50%
15:26 <Ampera> you can also look into LifePO4
15:33 <Ampera> no clue if that controller can charge them
15:43 <jackbrown> rust1: yeah that means that If I install a 100kWh battery bank I have to think as I got a 50kWh
15:45 <Ampera> but they're a bit less burny than liion, and less explodey than lead acid
16:13 <Ampera> 50kWh is still a lot
16:23 <jackbrown> Ampera: those batteries LiFePO4 are the ones suggested https://www.vpsolar.com/download/catalog/Storage/BYD/Premium-LVL/Battery-Box%20Premium%20LVL_Datasheet_LVL_IT.pdf
16:24 <rust1> well, that is how that would work
16:26 <Ampera> you could easily run an average house all day on that
16:31 <rust1> do you need more?
16:37 <jackbrown> Ampera: (depends of a lot of things )
16:58 <Ampera> I'd buy the LiFePO4 pack probably
17:16 <Ampera> I mean if it's a properly engineered pack, and you can be reasonably certain it won't explode, then LiIon might be cheaper/capacity
17:17 <jackbrown> rust1: we are powering a small building it will have a 33,4kWp PV system
17:43 <Ampera> that's a lot of power for a small building
17:47 <rust1> a small building... but... how much power do you need,
17:48 <Ampera> depending on what you consider small
17:50 <jackbrown> Anyway I love the Sunny Island because basically you can plug almost everything DC 48V to it and it's an Open System compared to the other
18:06 <rust1> worst case, buy 2
18:07 <jackbrown> rust1: it need power for Heat pump (cool and warm) electric car recharging etc. etc.
18:21 <Ampera> I wonder how cheap larger scale NiMH cells are, actually. I can think of reasons why you might want to use that tech in an application where weight/size isn't an important factor
18:24 <rust1> yes, so... do you need more than 50
18:28 <jackbrown> rust1: we will set a three phase system using 3 Sunny Island 8.0H
18:56 <Ampera> 50kWh is 2kW whole house draw constantly for 24hrs
19:03 <Ampera> just from battery
19:03 <jackbrown> rust1: yes I think I do expecially if electric car will be charged
19:20 <rust1> yes, but do you charge your car all the time?
19:32 <Ampera> I mean get as big of a battery as you want, it's your money
19:37 <rust1> there are a lot of stuff this depends on
19:39 <jackbrown> Ampera: yes I got but we have an elevator aswell, a water three phase pump that pressurize the whole house, induction cooking
19:53 <Ampera> what kind of "small building" has an elevator
19:58 <rust1> find an abandoned submarine, thay have massive batteries
20:04 <Ampera> haha
20:06 <jackbrown> Ampera: we have bonuses in my country currently so basically the government is paying for that stuff
20:20 <Ampera> oh well then
20:23 <Ampera> buy as many batteries as you can
20:27 <jackbrown> rust1: do the submarine has atomic energy generator aswell ?
20:39 <rust1> Ampera move to italy, and they will buy you an elevator
20:43 <Ampera> jackbrown, yes, but it has a different plug than your house
20:43 <rust1> some of them do
20:57 <jackbrown> Ampera: ok great, I hope that 33kWp Photovoltaic will be enough (my roof can't support more)
21:15 <Ampera> presuming 33kWh is peak potential power, and that you live in sunny Italy
21:16 <Ampera> uh
21:23 <Ampera> that's enough to completely power a lot of homes
21:25 <rust1> I have always wanted a mini nuclear power plant behind the house. that would be nice
21:46 <Ampera> rust1, yeah but someone's just gonna go and steal it
21:49 <Ampera> so why bother
21:51 <jackbrown> Ampera: I'm giving you some data, I already have 10kWp PV system and where I live it produces 14500kWh/year
22:24 <Ampera> er
22:32 <Ampera> my still waking up brain read your p as an h
22:39 <Ampera> and then did other stupid things
23:00 <Ampera> have you actually measured your average power consumption?
23:12 <Ampera> like, electric meter, at least have a ballpark figure about what you need
23:24 <Ampera> and if 33kW is all your roof can support, then that's all your roof can support
23:27 <jackbrown> Ampera: honestly I couldn't because till yeasterday we had gas in my house but now will be all electric
23:32 <Ampera> that's 33kW more than we have
23:53 <Ampera> haha american nat gas wells go brrrr
24:02 <jackbrown> sorry?
24:06 <rust1> lol
24:16 <jackbrown> Ampera: In italy we use Methan, in USA don't ?
24:16 <Ampera> apology accepted
24:23 <Ampera> we use methane/ethane
24:24 <Ampera> nat gas
24:39 <jackbrown> Ampera: isn't a gas methane ?
24:53 <Ampera> afaik it's typically a blend of methane/ethane
25:04 <Ampera> idk, I never tasted it
25:06 <jackbrown> Ampera: ok for "gas" you mean gasoline probably
25:09 <Ampera> no
25:10 <rust1> methane is a gas, but gas does not have to be methane
25:15 <Ampera> ^
25:24 <jackbrown> Ampera: in italy for "gas" we mean methane or gpl or other
25:24 <Ampera> gas means both natural gas (methane/ethane) and gasoline
25:44 <Ampera> in the US "gas" means the phase of matter that comes after liquid
26:01 <jackbrown> ok Ampera anyway since this electric renew we removed the gas meter and the building will be working ONLY with electricity
26:18 <jackbrown> Ampera: ok same here for gas, solid, liquid
26:41 <rust1> right
26:54 <Ampera> still, you should at least be able to wait a week and figure out roughly how much you use
27:10 <Ampera> that way you can at least size a battery to last you however long you think it should
27:17 <jackbrown> Ampera: it's hard to say
27:23 <Ampera> at the end of the day, money is the real constraint, so if that's not limiting you, go nuts
27:31 <Ampera> don't you have electric meters in italy?
27:39 <jackbrown> Ampera: anyway I have a 96kWh limit for my house (bonus) i think that i'll be around 90kWh
27:58 <Ampera> as in the gov will only pay for 96kWh?
27:58 <jackbrown> Ampera: plus the PV system will recharge it so I think I'll be fine
28:03 <jackbrown> ONLY ?
28:13 <jackbrown> Ampera: it's 48kWh each apartment
28:25 <Ampera> that's what I said, that's all the government will pay for?
28:41 <jackbrown> Ampera: it's not enough for you ?
28:42 <Ampera> damn sight more than what our government will pay for, but if that's what they'll pay for, then get that
28:50 <Ampera> no
29:02 <Ampera> I am asking you, if that is the maximum that the government will give you money to buy
29:09 <jackbrown> Ampera: why not, since during the day the PV system will recharge it
29:13 <Ampera> because if it is, and you do not want to spend more money, then buy 96kWh of batteries
29:40 <Ampera> like, this seems like a problem that's solving itself
30:07 <jackbrown> Ampera: yes it is, it's 48.000€ for each apartment max 1.000€/kWh so each apartment get 48kWh max (misteriosuly the prices of the batteries raises to 1000€/kWh since this bonus is going on
30:39 <rust1> most of the systems I deliver use lead acid. I am not sure if that means anythng or not
30:42 <Ampera> if your original question was about tech, I'd buy LiFePO4, because if they're paying for the capacity, not the tech, then you'll get the more reliable and less dangerous batteries with LiFePO4
31:30 <jackbrown> Ampera: yes I was oriented in LiFePO4 aswell, now I have your confirmation thanks!
31:38 <Ampera> >.>
32:28 <jackbrown> Ampera: anyway I think that with 96.000 € I Should be able to buy a bigger battery than a 96kWh
32:37 <jackbrown> Ampera: what would you buy with that money?
32:44 <rust1> oh good. now we can talk about alternative pizza (pizzarandabschneider) toppings
33:57 <Ampera> what would I buy with 96 euros?
34:01 <jackbrown> Ampera: rust1 at the beginning I was oriented to buy Tesla PowerWall 2, but I have a three phase system and Tesla only offer single Phase backup in case of blackout
34:02 <Ampera> idk
34:04 <Ampera> pizza
34:14 <jackbrown> 96K euro pizza?
34:16 <rust1> I have a feeling you will not get 96k euros, if you do not use them for what they are supposed to be used for, so...
34:19 <Ampera> you said 96 euros
34:41 <jackbrown> rust1: I will, the government says max 48.000€ each apartment max 1000€/kWh
34:44 <Ampera> this is a poorly executed joke making fun of the european use of the period as comma separator
34:59 <jackbrown> Ampera: it's 96000 Euros (almost 100k€)
35:00 <Ampera> in the anglosphere, it's typically 96,000, not 96.000
35:07 <rust1> yes, they say MAX, which also means maybe less
35:12 <jackbrown> Ampera: sorry my bad!
35:13 <Ampera> 96.000 == 96 with 3 decimal places of precision
35:15 <Ampera> lol
35:23 <Ampera> with 96 grand?
35:27 <Ampera> fuck I'd buy a shit ton of batteries
35:37 <jackbrown> rust1: yes but who is selling now in Italy, misteriously, is selling at 1000€/kWh e
35:38 <Ampera> idk what I'd buy
35:42 <Ampera> but goddamn
35:57 <jackbrown> Ampera: do you know BYD company ?
36:01 <Ampera> no
36:12 <rust1> they make buses and vans in china
36:19 <jackbrown> Ampera: can you check, do you want the link to their approved battery for my system?
36:34 <jackbrown> https://www.vpsolar.com/download/catalog/Storage/BYD/Premium-LVL/Battery-Box%20Premium%20LVL_Datasheet_LVL_IT.pdf here it is
36:35 <Ampera> man, no wonder italy is having problems if they're giving out 50 grand to everyone who asks
36:48 <rust1> byd is sort of big on electric car things
36:54 <jackbrown> Ampera: it's not that simple, you don't just ASK and they give you
36:57 <Ampera> I can't read italian, and why ask me if I wanted to see the link if you were going to give it to me anyways
37:06 <jackbrown> Ampera: it's in english
37:12 <jackbrown> Ampera: wait
37:17 <jackbrown> Ampera: wrong link
37:35 <Ampera> I'm half asleep, but I think I know what italian looks like
37:36 <Ampera> maybe
37:38 <jackbrown> Ampera: https://www.rpc.com.au/pdf/BYD_premium_15.4_datasheet.pdf
38:04 <Ampera> looks good enough
38:09 <Ampera> 10 year warranty is something I guess
38:25 <Ampera> I don't know what the italian battery market is like, so I can't tell you if this is good or bad
38:32 <Ampera> but if you like it, then I'll be happy for you I guess
38:52 <jackbrown> this is the approved battery list for the Sunny Island system
38:53 <jackbrown> https://www.europe-solarstore.com/download/sma/List-of-Approved-Batteries-in-Sunny-Island-systems.pdf
39:02 <jackbrown> Is there any of them you already know?
39:13 <Ampera> AAA makes good car batteries
39:19 <Ampera> Tenergy has good NiMH AA's
39:27 <Ampera> that's about as much as I can give you for batteries
39:42 <jackbrown> AAA ? where is
39:49 <jackbrown> ok
39:50 <Ampera> the American Automotive Association
39:52 <jackbrown> thanks anyway
39:58 <Ampera> you dial a number and they jump you
40:14 <jackbrown> not in Italy I suppose
40:21 <Ampera> little italy maybe
40:23 <rust1> they should do wireless jumpstarts
40:33 <jackbrown> lol
40:38 <Ampera> rust1, that sounds dangerous, better have a wireless esd strap while you do it
40:47 <rust1> yep
40:57 <Ampera> my car can do wireless jumpstarts actually
41:04 <Ampera> it's called pushing it down a hill and dropping the clutch
41:29 <Ampera> this is a feature most cars in the US do not have, so I feel special
41:31 <jackbrown> Ampera: yeah but it need 2 person one behind the wheel and the other pushing
41:48 <Ampera> jackbrown, flintstones it out the door
42:09 <Ampera> my car is actually light enough that I can get it moving just by rocking in my seat
42:11 <rust1> one time, we managed to get a plymouth superbird with a 727 started by pushing it
42:30 <jackbrown> lol
42:32 <Ampera> or maybe I'm just heavy enough to do that
42:34 <rust1> it shoudl not work, but it did
42:42 <jackbrown> BRB
42:56 <rust1> no rush
43:15 <Ampera> we'll be here all day
43:17 <Ampera> or something
43:26 <rust1> more or less maybe
43:27 <Ampera> we can talk shit for hours
44:27 <rust1> that happens
45:20 <Ampera> I'm waiting for the second person to come into the office and turn the lights on
45:23 <Ampera> so I can maybe wake up
45:41 <Ampera> being in a different part of the building can be nice
45:45 <rust1> meh, why bother?
45:50 <Ampera> the people down here don't fight over if the light should be on or off
46:46 Quit: jackbrown ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
47:25 <rust1> that would be entertaining. an office full of people fighting
47:46 <Ampera> and the liiights would fliiicker oooon and oooofff
48:30 <rust1> TEKNO! TEKNO! bring glowsticks, and dance
49:01 <Ampera> dts dts dts dts dts dts
49:13 <Ampera> get some dnb going
51:21 Join: petrIII ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
51:43 <petrIII> welcome i enjoy you
52:20 <petrIII> give me information
52:47 <petrIII> you be my pizza for me yes?
53:27 <Ampera> I have a feeling
53:27 <petrIII> i have water toilet, very good
53:31 <Ampera> that you are not who you say to be
53:38 <petrIII> yes yes
53:48 <Ampera> I have a feeling you are the ruster
53:52 <Ampera> and that you need a hug
53:55 * Ampera hugs petrIII 
53:58 <petrIII> awwww
54:00 <Ampera> <3
54:02 <Ampera> mwah
54:45 <petrIII> now you need banya, or swim in river
55:52 <petrIII> electrohead always throw beer on my body
56:13 <Ampera> hrm
56:18 <Ampera> looks like camera support for the SP8 is on the way
56:30 <Ampera> maybe I should think about deleting windows 11 and using a real operating system on it
56:30 <petrIII> sp8?
56:37 <Ampera> surface pro 8
56:39 <Ampera> my new tablet thingy
56:44 <petrIII> oh
57:41 <petrIII> do they use ssds or something, that you can replace?
58:37 <Ampera> yes actually
58:48 <Ampera> windows 11 just doesn't run most of my software well
58:54 <Ampera> it can do linux graphical apps, but the support is pretty meh
59:17 <Ampera> ech, I'll think about it much later
59:35 Quit: petrIII ([email protected]) Quit: leaving
00:47 <rust1> so, it is a regular intel thing. that should run most anything
01:05 <Ampera> no
01:14 <Ampera> it is an intel thing but their drivers are apparently all custom for this thing
01:23 <Ampera> everything but the camera apparently works
01:36 <rust1> mmhf
03:46 <rust1> eh, just live without the camera
04:10 <Ampera> I probably can
07:40 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
25:40 Quit: LordGeir ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
28:49 * electrohead yawns and stuff
29:12 <rust1> oof, stuff...
29:27 <electrohead> stuff and things.
29:31 <electrohead> lol, hey
29:41 <rust1> hoi hoi
31:26 <electrohead> ioh ioh
31:37 <rust1> you should to items today
44:33 Join: LordGeir ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
44:52 <LordGeir> Afternoon all :)
45:04 * LordGeir went on a rampage
45:39 * rust1 looks that up in the news
46:22 <Ampera> hello LordGeir
46:25 <Ampera> who did you murder
46:28 <Ampera> and how
47:39 <LordGeir> I used my cunning wit and annihilated the old UPS batteries, they'd make good target practice if it wasn't for the lead and acid
48:11 <Ampera> eh, what's another ecological disaster when you have companies like bayer/monsanto
48:19 <rust1> do you have many goats or sheep around?
49:16 <LordGeir> Ampera: True! I mean, my two small 12V batteries wouldn't make a dent the size of a grain of sand in the bigger picture
49:39 <rust1> what is it with people and batteries today?
49:44 <LordGeir> rust1: My neighbor has bot sheep and gots I think.. I only have chickens
50:18 <rust1> ok. they like licking battery insides, and it is not really healthy for them
51:33 <rust1> or, that is what "they" want you to think
51:37 <rust1> i do not know.
01:41 <rust1> blah, I think I have to do something again
07:33 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
36:55 <T3sl4> arch: oh yeah, if you need another master to crush on, basso posts on stack https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/629957/why-is-transient-performance-of-voltage-mode-buck-affected-by-bandwidth
36:55 <EEVBot> [url] Why is transient performance of voltage mode buck affected by bandwidth? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange | electronics.stackexchange.com
38:29 <arch> Verbal Kint = Christophe Basso?
38:52 <T3sl4> seems to be :P
39:36 <arch> his profile seems to confirm it. https://electronics.stackexchange.com/users/141599/verbal-kint
39:37 <EEVBot> [url] User Verbal Kint - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange | electronics.stackexchange.com
39:45 * electrohead caffeine's T3sl4
39:59 * T3sl4 sips
42:38 <electrohead> sup sexy
42:48 * electrohead hugs Ampera and arch
43:11 <arch> :3
43:14 <T3sl4> just workin
43:29 * Ampera stabs electrohead with a pencil
43:57 * electrohead fills with graphite
44:02 <T3sl4> "i brought my PeNcIl... gimme somethin'ta write on!"
44:11 <electrohead> lol
44:50 <T3sl4> i wonder how often that plays anymore
44:57 <T3sl4> ah, the casual misogyny of the 80s
45:15 <rust1> oh, it is on the radio now and then
45:35 <electrohead> what song is that?
45:48 <rust1> hot for teacher, I believe
45:56 <T3sl4> ^
46:00 <electrohead> ahh, ok ok
46:07 <T3sl4> not to mention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XdmyBtCRQ
46:08 <EEVBot> [url] Mötley Crüe - Girls Girls Girls (Official Music Video) - YouTube | www.youtube.com
46:09 <electrohead> yeah I couldn't think what that was, at first
46:33 <electrohead> heh, I was never a huge fan of them
46:35 <electrohead> lol
46:54 <rust1> I did not use to be, but I like them more now
47:32 <rust1> ok, still not a huge fan, but it can be pretty good some times
48:18 <electrohead> it's the vocalist, that ruins it for me
48:34 <electrohead> but really, any higher pitch vocals just turn me off
48:35 <rust1> no, you are thinking about rush
49:36 <rust1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1V4O1Cgjig
49:36 <EEVBot> [url] Rush - Closer to the Heart Shreds - YouTube | www.youtube.com
50:49 <T3sl4> lol
51:38 <T3sl4> then again, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CVWCbsQ0DY
51:39 <EEVBot> [url] Judas James - "Super Rock Hard" - YouTube | www.youtube.com
51:48 <rust1> don't worry electrohead in a few more years, you can no longer hear them
54:31 <T3sl4> the juxtaposition of rob halford with the lyrics gives this a strong nb/pansexual vibe too
54:58 <T3sl4> bill's mashups are always a romp
55:10 <electrohead> rust1: rofl. I love the shred videos
56:35 <rust1> there are some good ones
57:02 <rust1> I think the beach boys one is best.
57:27 <rust1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYc4DT18EJg
57:27 <EEVBot> [url] The Beach Boys Shred I Get Around - YouTube | www.youtube.com
58:18 <T3sl4> hm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2YbK7FnESU
58:18 <EEVBot> [url] How flammable can I make McDonalds? - YouTube | www.youtube.com
59:07 <rust1> if I can make a stone church burn, why would I have any problem with a mcdonalds?
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