// #eevblog — 2022-08-09
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00:36:05 <T3sl4> !w quercus
00:36:06 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Oak | "An oak is a tree or shrub in the genus Quercus (; Latin "oak tree") of the beech family, Fagaceae. There are approximately 500 extant species of oaks. The common name "oak" also appears in the names of species in related genera, notably Lithocarpus (stone oaks), as well as in those of unrelated species such as Grevillea robusta (silky oaks) and the Casuarinaceae (she-oaks). The genus Quercus is […]" | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak
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00:44:47 <rust1> whooa! (whocansay)
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01:37:08 <Kuschelpony> whinny
01:37:26 <watcher> Hi Kuschelpony
01:37:34 <Kuschelpony> hello watcher
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02:22:01 <Ysjoelfir> I see you found out about the !w function.
02:23:26 <K> !w Ysjoelfir
02:23:26 <EEVBot> K: I can't find any results for that.
02:23:39 <K> weak.
02:24:39 <Kuschelpony> ?
02:25:14 <Ysjoelfir> !w Pony
02:25:14 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Pony | "A pony is a small horse (Equus ferus caballus). Depending on the context, a pony may be a horse that is under an approximate or exact height at the withers, or a small horse with a specific conformation and temperament. Compared to a larger horse, a pony may have a thicker coat, mane and tail, with proportionally shorter legs, a wider barrel, heavier bone, a thicker neck and a shorter, broader […]" | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
02:25:51 * electrohead hugs the Ysjoelfir
02:26:04 <electrohead> thanks to Halcyon, I have discovered a show called "Severance"
02:26:09 <electrohead> it's ... oddly addicting
02:26:14 * electrohead beers everybody
02:26:19 <Ysjoelfir> !w severance
02:26:20 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Severance | "Severance may refer to:" | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severance
02:27:00 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir
02:27:04 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfriend?
02:28:36 <Ysjoelfir> very nice, I went shopping with the misses and we got her soime motorcycle clothes
02:29:00 <Ampera> nice
02:29:07 <Ampera> now you can both be temporary citizens together!
02:29:23 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
02:29:57 <Ampera> I look forward to having one of your kidneys.
02:30:01 <Ampera> <3
02:30:12 <Ysjoelfir> do you think they will fit?
02:30:44 <Ampera> in my mouth?
02:30:45 <Ampera> probably
02:30:48 <Ampera> maybe with some mustard
02:31:23 <Ysjoelfir> I would suggest mayo
02:33:57 <rust1> AHA! I knwe you had some belgian genetic stuff going on
02:42:24 * electrohead films
02:43:13 <rust1> there is no point. belgium does not exist, as you should know, as you have downloaded the internet
03:03:29 * LordGeir lovingly fried his vintage SHARP LCD display :P
03:03:49 <rust1> how nice of you
03:04:35 <LordGeir> Gotta love it when the pin out is reversed in real life, and you don't realize until it's too late
03:04:49 <Kuschelpony> ouch
03:05:00 <rust1> so much love.... something is suspect abou tthis
03:05:37 <LordGeir> I gotta use some positivity, because I'm really not positive in my head right now
03:06:08 <LordGeir> I want to kick myself, but if I try and "swap" it to something positive; Maybe
03:06:52 <rust1> ok, good luck. is this a very...special display? is it the control stuff, or the lcd itself?
03:07:58 <LordGeir> Not very special really, but it's sort of sentimental as I've had it lying around for close to 30 years
03:08:25 <LordGeir> I think it's the HD44780A00 that's toast, because that got intensely hot
03:08:38 <Kuschelpony> im trying to write something more positive but i have currently no good project
03:08:59 <Kuschelpony> oh well we can change out this one and your display will be fine again
03:09:52 <rust1> I do not know about those things, but the display itself should be sort of hard to kill, I guess?
03:10:25 <electrohead> LordGeir: were there a lot of sparks?
03:10:30 <rust1> if you don't hook it to your microwave transformer, or something clever like that?
03:10:49 <LordGeir> I could always swap out the chip, if I come across a new one. The LCD itself is 99% fine
03:11:13 <LordGeir> electrohead: I wish; That would have made it somewhat spectacular
03:11:43 <electrohead> last time I saw sparks, my 'scope was close to death, but I got lucky, heh
03:11:54 <electrohead> experience isn't gained, without sparks
03:11:56 <electrohead> :D
03:12:26 <LordGeir> I just hooked it up like it appeared to be, programmed the arduino and once I picked up the lcd to check it, I touched the chip and it seared my finger :P
03:13:20 <electrohead> good times :D
03:13:24 <Kuschelpony> well i can look if i can find one of these chips in my collection, might salvage one from a otherwise defective display
03:13:46 <rust1> is it this shape? https://www.ebay.com/itm/292420755659?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=pzoejdwpTTi&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=r7vXBGkSRyO&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
03:13:47 <EEVBot> [url] Liquid crystal display controller chip HD44780A00 HD44780AOO QFP80 new original | eBay | www.ebay.com
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03:14:14 <LordGeir> Jupp, that's the one
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03:31:25 <rust1> LordGeir was it "upside down" or swapped end for end?
03:31:55 <LordGeir> Upside down AND diagonal
03:32:06 <LordGeir> 1 was in fact 14, and so on
03:32:11 <electrohead> lmao
03:32:12 <rust1> uh, that is creative
03:32:14 <electrohead> total fail.
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05:21:37 <electrohead> if there's anyone that has a hammer drill, or small hammer, please come to north carolina, as I have a ground rod that needs some poundings
05:21:38 <electrohead> :p
05:22:23 <LordGeir> I'll jump on a plane now; Can be there in 1-3 days :P
05:22:28 <rust1> sorry, only big hammers, and as they make thunder, you need your sround stake in place first
05:25:25 <electrohead> lol
05:25:51 <electrohead> err - small jackhammer, rather
05:25:58 <electrohead> that's what I meant
05:26:10 <electrohead> fucker is 8 foot long, and the ground is hard as fuck
05:26:44 <rust1> how about making a cannon, at a weird angle, and just shoot the thing into the ground?
06:00:12 <Ysjoelfir> you should use an explosion compactor for your pounding
06:00:18 <Ysjoelfir> like the good old delmag HS2
06:00:25 <Ysjoelfir> or maybe a frog
06:00:57 <rust1> or a really pissed off hamster
06:01:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjaXuaIbPA those frogs
06:01:27 <EEVBot> [url] DELMAG Frosch F5 und F10 Ramme,Explosionsramme,Freikolbenmaschine - YouTube | www.youtube.com
06:02:38 <rust1> does your neighbor know if the ground is as hard, if you get a couple feet down?
06:07:51 <rust1> heh Kann man da nicht einen Sattel draufbauen und zwei Fu�rasten und dann damit durch die Fu�g�ngerzone h�pfen????
06:08:29 <electrohead> lmao
06:09:24 <electrohead> wollt ihr das bett in flammen sehen?
06:09:38 <rust1> that has to be a project for the next jackass movie
06:09:45 <electrohead> lol
06:11:16 <rust1> let us hop thru the drivethru
06:18:09 <Ysjoelfir> for mounting a saddle, you need to have it made with a cutout for the plunger, that goes roughle where the anus is
06:18:30 <rust1> that is pretty gay
06:19:12 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon would love it
06:21:55 <rust1> oh crap, now I am in that corner of youtube again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iO_lvRqxIQ
06:21:55 <EEVBot> [url] IFA DDR Multicar M25 "Multicar Treffen 2021 in Senzke" 👍 👍 🚛🚜 - YouTube | www.youtube.com
06:22:07 <rust1> time to go for a shower
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06:26:43 <Ysjoelfir> so, I think I will go swap the cooler of my GPU real quick. brb
06:28:15 <rust1> wheee!
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06:38:31 <Nothing\> man, there are so many more trig functions than they teach you in school
06:39:08 <Nothing\> drawing and studying unit circles last night, i discovered a whole bunch of them and I remember reading about a few of them when i stumbled across them months ago
06:39:54 <Nothing\> https://steemit.com/steemiteducation/@acont/the-forgotten-trigonometric-identities
06:39:54 <EEVBot> [url] The forgotten trigonometric identities — Steemit | steemit.com
06:39:58 * electrohead stumbles upon the start of Nothing\'s wall of text
06:40:25 <Nothing\> all 3 lines?
06:40:28 <Nothing\> well, 4 now
06:40:32 <Nothing\> actually 5 i guess
06:40:34 <Nothing\> no, 6
06:40:36 <Nothing\> =P
06:40:59 <Nothing\> electrohead, funnily enough i do have a literal wall of text in my room
06:41:15 <Nothing\> i actually thought that's what you were talking about for a second because i took a picture of it once
06:42:02 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
06:42:04 <Nothing\> ugh it's one of those rainforest weather days where it's super dark, a little drizzly but not pouring, but so incredibly humid that everything, including you, is constantly damp
06:44:12 <Nothing\> oh yeah and apparently they used to use log tables to do multiplication before calculators
06:47:59 <electrohead> I can tell you do lol :p
06:52:14 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
06:52:18 <Ampera> how are you friend
06:55:17 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera
06:55:24 <Nothing\> oh man, i'm doing a lot better now thanks
06:55:39 <Nothing\> i ate like 10 things of yogurt with added fiber yesterday
06:55:49 <Nothing\> i think i've cleaned myself out tip to tail
06:56:03 <Nothing\> my poops.... they're like soft serve
06:56:07 * Nothing\ sobs
06:56:14 <electrohead> lol
06:56:18 <Nothing\> seriously though i feel a lot better now
06:56:45 <Nothing\> oh yeah my mum also got an ad about pooping on her tablet today lol
06:56:57 <Nothing\> something about "super foods" that make wiping your ass easier
06:57:07 <Nothing\> or maybe it was an ad for a bidet
06:57:16 <Nothing\> it had a picture of a carot
06:57:47 <Nothing\> lol youtube's racist
06:58:01 <Nothing\> it's recommending the french version of toy story to me to buy
06:58:24 <Nothing\> cuz i'm watching the cinema sins about it
07:26:39 <Ampera> I am eating leftover stroganov
07:27:21 <rust_collector> Nothing\ if you insert enough carrots, you will have much more fun on the toilet
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08:11:08 <rust_collector> on crap, frank zappa is dead. that is a shame
08:16:27 <rust_collector> and he did some good singing with travolta in "hairspray" or what that musical was called
08:26:53 <MrMobodies> Hello
08:27:11 <MrMobodies> I posted a solution to the explorer autosearch
08:27:31 <MrMobodies> but classed it as not a good solution as it breaks help and support
08:27:56 <MrMobodies> I got this reply from SiliconWizard and I am not sure if it is serious or sarcastic
08:27:59 <MrMobodies> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-computing/windows-10-tweaks/msg4347292/#msg4347292
08:28:00 <EEVBot> [url] Windows 10 tweaks/adjustments - Page 1 | www.eevblog.com
08:28:29 <MrMobodies> SiliconWizard: " Wow I really dislike this completely flat UI. It want to be modern yet looks like something from the 80s only with higher resolution. :horse:"
08:29:16 <MrMobodies> Flogging a dead horse, not sure what that means so lookup:
08:29:19 <MrMobodies> Flogging a dead horse is an Anglophone idiom that means that a particular effort is futile, a waste of time without a positive outcome, ..
08:29:35 <MrMobodies> futile "incapable of producing any useful result; pointless."
08:29:40 <MrMobodies> "waste of time"
08:29:45 <rust_collector> meh, people like different blink, and some want no bling, it is fine
08:30:02 <MrMobodies> if he is not being sarcast, well infact i feel offended
08:30:19 <MrMobodies> after the amount of anger and frustration I had from my customers
08:30:34 <MrMobodies> who appreciate all the work and customizations I put when Windows 10 first came out
08:30:47 <MrMobodies> in 2017 for the ones who decided to keep the forced upgrade
08:31:02 <MrMobodies> and two year customized one that I showed
08:31:14 <MrMobodies> in fact there are a few things I sorted
08:31:34 <MrMobodies> stickey keys and filter keys to stop them turning on on key pressed and for new user accounts
08:32:02 <MrMobodies> oh and disabled the beep driver that I totally forgot about
08:32:21 <rust_collector> well, you can not force him to like the look you create... don't let that bother you, if you are after function, then as long as you get that, it is fine. some people like the apple os, too
08:33:18 <MrMobodies> I can understand if he don't like it but the other stuff "flogging a dead horse" useless and waste of time no positive outcome..
08:33:28 <MrMobodies> maybe he is insensitive to it
08:33:37 <MrMobodies> doesn't mean much to that commentor
08:33:56 <MrMobodies> To me I don't care if it look 80's as long as it functions
08:34:03 <MrMobodies> I mean it has all the modern styling
08:34:17 <MrMobodies> but just slimmed down as the menu bars don't take up too much room
08:34:18 <rust_collector> well, if that is his opinion... let him have that opinion. he does not have to use it
08:37:37 <rust_collector> I mean.... you can not care too much about what people on the internet says. then nothing at all would happen
08:42:47 <MrMobodies> I see, it is his opinion, that I am wasting my time on something that he thinks will be pointless and bring no positive outcome ((bullsh*t) it did for quite a few my customers and friends))
08:43:36 <MrMobodies> oh futile incapable of producing and useful result: Incapable another BS term for the work I put into it and what i get out o fit
08:44:00 <MrMobodies> but what matters to me is, I am making progress on it
08:44:11 <MrMobodies> I folks I gave it away to are happy
08:44:16 <rust_collector> well, yes, probably that is his opinion. but that is not important for you
08:44:30 <rust_collector> or, should not be
08:44:42 <MrMobodies> they do me favours I gave them keys as under the understanding that there are no guarantees from the volume licesnors
08:45:07 <MrMobodies> and it brings out the world of differences for them
08:45:16 <MrMobodies> that is being left alone to get on with their tasks
08:45:20 <MrMobodies> and find things easily
08:45:34 <rust_collector> ok, so... things are fine then?
08:45:48 <MrMobodies> yes
08:46:02 <MrMobodies> is that another way of saying
08:46:13 <MrMobodies> "he is judging the book by it's cover"?
08:46:30 <MrMobodies> because it looks 80's to him it is no good
08:46:53 <rust_collector> he probably did not really look at it, I would think
08:47:20 <MrMobodies> Joke: I don't think SiliconWizard knows what he's missing.
08:47:45 <rust_collector> no, but if he is fine with whatever he uses, that is ok
08:47:46 <MrMobodies> Fast loading Windows 10 with hardly many interferences and annoyances
08:48:52 <MrMobodies> Joke: Horses for courses
08:49:09 <rust_collector> yep
08:49:43 <rust_collector> Now, I do not know why he bothered to post, but... it is the internet. do what you want, and he can do what he wants
08:52:35 <MrMobodies> I am sorry I took offense
08:53:00 <MrMobodies> someone says what are you are doing is rubbish and pointless because it looks 80's
08:53:13 <MrMobodies> well that's even true as it does use the modern styling
08:53:24 <MrMobodies> there is a classic theme that works
08:53:38 <MrMobodies> but it is highly unstable
08:53:54 <MrMobodies> it worked with the LTSB edition and now that but it could be broken down the line
08:54:17 <MrMobodies> and I don't want the aggravation of friends and customers bringing stuff when a security update breaks it
08:54:43 <MrMobodies> so some backend change which is slow and gradual for LTSC
08:55:21 <rust_collector> nah, you do not have to be sorry, just don't let it bother you that not everyone in the world agree with you
08:59:14 <rust_collector> Not that I have done very much with your version, but so far, there is Nothing\ that has annoyed me about it, other than that it is windows
09:14:06 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
09:14:22 <rust_collector> you are up early
09:14:36 <Ysjoelfir> we had a nap at around 1800 to 2200
09:14:39 <Ysjoelfir> so... yeah
09:26:21 <Halcyon> Morning all
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09:28:30 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Halcyon
09:28:40 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
09:28:42 <Halcyon> How are you?
09:31:11 <Ysjoelfir> perfect, just replaced the stock cooler on my GPU. you?
09:31:20 <Halcyon> Still waking up for the day
09:31:49 <Ysjoelfir> ok. please continue doing that.
09:33:11 <Halcyon> I had a late night, I stayed up with electrohead watching Severance
09:34:26 <Ysjoelfir> who is that?
09:34:38 <Halcyon> Oh just some weirdo :P
09:34:57 <Ysjoelfir> ah, ok. and why did you watch him together?
09:35:18 <Halcyon> For fun
09:35:29 <Ysjoelfir> thats fine, you can do that
09:35:31 <Halcyon> On Plex you can sync streams together so multple people can watch
09:35:37 <electrohead> Halcyon: you mother fucker
09:35:39 <electrohead> >:O
09:35:44 <Halcyon> Hahaha hey gurl hey
09:35:48 <electrohead> hey gurl hey
09:35:49 <electrohead> :D
09:35:52 <electrohead> lol
09:35:53 <electrohead> hey mate
09:35:57 <Ysjoelfir> you even fucked his mom? you weirdo
09:35:58 <electrohead> so, you got tme watching that
09:36:08 <Halcyon> How much more did you watch after I went to bed?
09:36:09 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: not his, but someone else's
09:36:11 <electrohead> >.>
09:36:16 <electrohead> me*
09:36:20 <electrohead> well
09:36:28 <electrohead> I downloaded all of it
09:36:30 <electrohead> heh
09:36:33 <Halcyon> Heh
09:36:39 <electrohead> then, I got watching person of interest
09:36:46 <electrohead> and then! ..
09:36:57 <electrohead> I got watching fringe
09:37:06 <Halcyon> Heh so busy day for you
09:37:07 <electrohead> now I'm hooked between three shows
09:37:15 <Halcyon> How good is it though?
09:37:19 <electrohead> and, since I'm in a manic mood ..
09:37:35 <electrohead> I stepped away from watching stuffs, and .. well, got thinking about things
09:37:44 <Halcyon> I am so tired this morning. But it was worth it. Hah
09:37:46 <electrohead> oh I love it
09:37:53 <electrohead> it was! :D
09:37:59 * electrohead chugs a beer for Halcyon
09:38:02 <electrohead> <3
09:38:05 <Halcyon> \o/
09:38:07 <electrohead> |
09:38:09 <electrohead> / \
09:38:18 <Halcyon> Hahaha
09:38:28 <electrohead> on my screen, I nailed it. lol
09:40:10 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
09:40:13 <steve30> hi
09:40:13 <Ampera> fren!
09:40:17 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
09:40:18 * Ampera pets steve30
09:40:20 <Ampera> frennn!
09:40:24 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon and steve30
09:40:28 <Ampera> and maybe electrohead
09:40:44 * electrohead stabs Ampera
09:40:48 <electrohead> lol, hey dude :p
09:41:33 <Halcyon> I'm doing alright, how are you?
09:41:48 <Ampera> sleepy
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09:42:59 <Halcyon> Me too
09:43:05 <Halcyon> Up way too late
09:43:45 <Ampera> good thing I can go to bed soon
09:44:15 <Halcyon> Lucky
09:44:56 <Ysjoelfir> so, after some minecrafting with shaders on highest setting I am pretty satisfied with this GPU cooler
09:46:06 * Halcyon pokes Ysjoelfir's new cooler
09:46:12 <Ysjoelfir> careful!
09:46:16 <Ysjoelfir> you could burn your finger
09:46:20 * Ampera pokes Ysjoelfir with a hug
09:46:40 <Ampera> Halcyon, did you see my new Peugeot?
09:46:41 * Ysjoelfir ...phugs (?) Ampera back
09:48:48 <Halcyon> I did not Ampera
09:49:11 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/846178000722853898/1005960652612976660/20220807_180821.jpg
09:50:17 <steve30> cool
09:50:26 <Ampera> I really like it
09:50:30 <Halcyon> Oooh pretty
09:50:31 <Ampera> it works really well
09:52:34 <electrohead> ooo
09:52:37 <electrohead> sexy, lol
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09:52:55 * Ampera deletes electrohead
09:58:07 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/2de75n8m4jg91.jpg
09:58:08 <EEVBot> [reddit] W H A T ? to r/comics | 10678 points (96.0%) | 77 comments | Posted by gudim_anton | Created at 2022-08-08 - 18:03:46UTC | https://redd.it/wjfndm
09:58:17 <T3sl4> Ampera: BAM!
09:58:46 * Ampera smacks T3sl4 with a spice weasel
10:01:58 <T3sl4> oh no, that'll be $500 wont it :/
10:02:25 <electrohead> T3sl4: that picture, lol
10:02:35 <electrohead> hey dude o/
10:02:43 * T3sl4 pours assorted letters on electrohead
10:02:59 * electrohead spells out HAARP
10:03:20 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/F6SpcpG.gifv
10:03:20 <EEVBot> [url] Assisted vibing | i.imgur.com
10:04:10 <electrohead> awe, cute
10:06:05 <steve30> i need coffee
10:06:25 <electrohead> !coffee steve30
10:06:26 * EEVBot throws screaming hot coffee at steve30
10:06:30 <electrohead> tada.
10:06:31 <Halcyon> Awww bouncy birb
10:06:35 <steve30> :)
10:06:41 <T3sl4> how are you Halcyon
10:06:59 <steve30> I should probably rewind Saturday's video tape at some point
10:07:00 <Halcyon> I'm good, how are you?
10:07:49 <T3sl4> good :)
10:08:16 * electrohead hugs Halcyon, T3sl4, and steve30
10:08:35 * T3sl4 glomps with reckless abandon
10:08:40 <electrohead> lol
10:15:33 <steve30> i should probably go to the shops later
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10:54:49 <MrMobodies> I brought this IDE caddy for £2.50 down the charity shop
10:54:55 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/rWrG3xP
10:54:55 <EEVBot> [url] IDE CADDY ALTERATIONS (unsafe pins that stick out) - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
10:55:27 <MrMobodies> I bypassed the key as I am not going to need it
10:55:49 <MrMobodies> it has a metal cover and a fan which was nice
10:56:08 <MrMobodies> but quite stupidly they made it so the pins stick out
10:56:26 <MrMobodies> so it could either pinch the cable
10:56:37 <MrMobodies> or touch the drive
10:56:56 <MrMobodies> another thing it has holes to mount the drive but the cover won't go on
10:57:05 <MrMobodies> anyway I am not going need screws in there
11:11:57 <Ampera> Hello MrMobodies how are you doing
11:36:58 <Halcyon> Is anyone else getting a HTTP 500 error on Google.com?
11:37:42 <Halcyon> Nevermind, seems to have fixed itself now
11:43:56 <steve30> i've had lots of errors on google over the years
11:44:00 <steve30> couldn't say which ones though
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12:32:39 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://twitter.com/SlenderSherbet/status/1556517747017801729
12:32:39 <EEVBot> [Twitter] Paul Bastard Bronks (@SlenderSherbet): When you lied on your CV about having previous sheepdog experience. ⏎ 📸: @CharlieMack7301 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZncpHTWYAAL6by.jpg | 6627 RTs | 90948 ♥s | Posted: 2022-08-08 - 05:48:44UTC
12:33:22 <T3sl4> Halcyon: shagger
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17:33:00 <K> hello gerbils
17:33:58 <rust_collector> hey pineapple guy
17:34:05 <rust_collector> or whatever it was
17:34:16 <Halcyon> Hello weimaraner
17:34:19 <K> pineapple?
17:34:50 <rust_collector> yes you
17:38:39 <K> but i have a ticket
17:39:02 <rust_collector> no no, you are supposed to tidy up upstairs
17:39:13 <Halcyon> You two are odd
17:39:19 <rust_collector> just forget it until you are done
17:39:35 <rust_collector> uuh, and you are the normal one, Halcyon?
17:39:38 <rust_collector> sure
17:39:47 <Halcyon> I'm super normal
17:40:13 <rust_collector> see? you weirdo
17:40:21 <Halcyon> *smirk*
17:40:32 <Halcyon> I think T3sl4 is probably the most normal out of all of us
17:40:46 <rust_collector> eeh. hard to say
17:41:12 <rust_collector> it is possible
17:43:39 <K> !w Halcyon
17:43:39 <EEVBot> [wikipedia] Halcyon | "Halcyon is a name originally derived from Alcyone of Greek mythology. Halcyon or Halcyone may refer to:" | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halcyon
17:43:58 <K> you are not even original
17:44:22 <rust1> he is cheap replacement
17:45:14 <rust1> still not a bad value for the money, but...
17:47:44 <Halcyon> Hahaha
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17:50:31 <rust1> !time *
17:50:32 <EEVBot> rust1: Could not find timezone "*". Try one from https://sopel.chat/tz
17:50:37 <rust1> hmm
17:52:16 <rust1> yesterday, i found out that the most eastern "city" in norway is further east than istanbul, which is a bit weird to think about
17:54:08 <rust1> oh, and talking about weird. I mentioned to nothing that he should insert as many carrots as he can, to help his pooping issues, and after that, I have not seen him here... has anyone heard from him? part of me wants to see him in the news
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17:56:38 <K> he is busy picking out suitable carrots
17:57:24 <rust1> I hope he figure out that coconuts is more suitable.
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18:04:15 <K> hairy
18:04:29 <rust1> yeeeesssss
18:18:10 <rust1> https://youtu.be/yPikjaqO5bM?t=313
18:18:11 <EEVBot> [url] [Odcinek Kombo] Konsola XBOX 360 cz. 1 - YouTube | youtu.be
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18:18:29 <EEVBot> rust1: Could not find timezone "*". Try one from https://sopel.chat/tz
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18:39:48 <rust1> K do you, or did you have any local companies making stuff, like radios and multimeters and such over there?
18:40:28 <rust1> I have had a thing for the polish meters from mera, but maybe there is something else I should look at too
18:40:43 <K> um, not as far as i know
18:40:52 <rust1> okay
18:41:28 <rust1> I do not remember where vef was from. but... oh well
18:41:32 <K> i think there were some factories making test equipment in soviet times, but am not sure what that was
18:41:44 <K> i do not think my dad had any TE that was made locally
18:42:34 <K> locally - as in this republic
18:42:41 <rust1> right
18:43:11 <K> but! we had quite a lot of consumer electronics made here
18:43:24 <K> factories - RRR, VEF
18:44:16 <rust1> internet says vef made some pretty good radios. I have never seen one
18:44:34 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LroQbdwgEzs
18:44:34 <EEVBot> [url] Radiotehnika S-90 (35AC-212) Sound Test - YouTube | www.youtube.com
18:44:37 <leon> hey, maybe some of u can help me... im searching around quite a bit, but cant really find it. I remember Dave had a mailbag with an insert for electric cabins, that was capable of moving air humidity in or outside just with electricity applied. Any idea what that thing was called/ where I could find that?
18:45:35 <K> leon, you mean something like this - https://www.micro-dehumidifier.com/products/membranes/ ?
18:45:35 <EEVBot> [url] Membranes - Rosahl | www.micro-dehumidifier.com
18:45:57 <K> rust1: yeah, radios were quite nice
18:46:48 <leon> nice that is amazing, answered in 10s and i was looking around for quite a while.... that is exactly what i ment... thanks a lot
18:46:57 <rust1> but lots of soviet radios were good.
18:47:16 <K> leon, you were lucky because i've used those before an knew about them
18:47:29 <K> not sure which Dave's video you are refering to actually
18:47:48 <rust1> maybe I was just amazing, as usual, and found them in a search on not google, lol
18:48:16 <K> rust1, but most are becoming more and more useless, as those are longish-wave and mostly AM only
18:48:23 <rust1> yes
18:48:46 <K> but chock full of discretes, not a ic in sight
18:49:13 <rust1> am is all I need here. I can only get 1 or 2 local fm stations here, and a couple of swedish ones.
18:49:42 <rust1> but I some times sit down, and search thru the am side, and I get so many weird things.
18:50:03 <K> https://www.radiopagajiba.lv/RRR/kandava/abava.htm
18:50:04 <EEVBot> [url] Abava | www.radiopagajiba.lv
18:50:22 <K> we had this one in the kitchen, nice and red
18:50:52 <K> also "Abava" is the river flowing though my hometown
18:51:09 <rust1> nice
18:52:47 <rust1> I have a little thing for the smaller radios, with the cute tin can germanium pnp transistors.
18:53:18 <rust1> tube radios are cool, in a way too, but they are not my thing
18:55:02 <K> 70s-80s tech
18:55:24 <rust1> yes
18:55:34 <rust1> it could be an age thing, lol
18:56:48 <rust1> https://www.radiopagajiba.lv/RRR/robot.htm
18:56:48 <EEVBot> [url] robot | www.radiopagajiba.lv
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19:01:34 <K> haha, have not seen that ever
19:01:49 <rust1> pretty cool little thing
19:14:18 <rust1> awww crap. so i open google app installer thing, and all I can see, is workout crap, and "get six pack in 30 days"
19:14:38 <rust1> lose weight you fat fat person
19:20:17 <K> mabybe it is 6pack of beer
19:20:30 <rust1> oof, I hope not
19:20:40 <K> not a beer person?
19:20:44 <rust1> nope
19:21:04 <K> then it is both fatshaming and taunting you with beer
19:21:14 <K> horrible.
19:21:31 <rust1> I like my beer very... tasteless and light, but in general, all beer does, is to upset my stomach.
19:23:50 <rust1> I think I am doing ok today. I just got 2 cups of vodka down, since 9. it will be a good cheap day
19:25:40 <rust1> the joy of being on vacation, and not being able to sleep. yay
19:26:11 <Halcyon> \o/
19:27:55 <steve30> i really need a shower
19:28:15 <rust1> I have one, if you want it
19:28:23 <rust1> a spare one
20:09:49 <K> fancy
20:14:01 * Halcyon spritz's steve30
20:30:06 <DHess_US> https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2022/08/09/3bf4cb09b1cab8d0.mp4
20:46:46 <K> so edgy
20:46:59 <Ampera> good morning friends
20:47:04 <Ampera> I am awake
20:47:07 <Ampera> totally, yes I am
20:47:14 <Halcyon> Hello Ampera
20:47:17 <Halcyon> *cuddles*
20:47:32 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
20:48:10 <Halcyon> I'm alright, thinking about going to bed soon
20:48:15 <Halcyon> But at the same time, can't be bothered
20:49:32 * K cudgels Ampera
21:22:45 * electrohead rubs his eyes
21:22:51 <Halcyon> Morning electrohead
21:23:01 <electrohead> Yooo
21:23:15 <steve30> Halcyon, did I tell you about the "Police" man on saturday?
21:23:42 <Ampera> I am slowly discovering that protonmail is shit
21:23:46 <Ampera> (for what I want)
21:23:53 <Halcyon> You did not steve30
21:24:03 <Ampera> Their email bridge, which is what allows for using SMTP/IMAP, is terrible
21:24:05 <Halcyon> Ampera: What's the matter?
21:24:38 <steve30> Ah. I spoke to a guy who was wearing clothing which said "POLICE" in big letters :p
21:24:53 <Ampera> It's not available natively for my distro, so it constantly badgers me that it's not up to date, it puts itself into my password manager without asking me, or even giving me the option, despite it not actually needing it.
21:25:37 <Ampera> It doesn't autostart on my desktop, which is normal, but because it seems to be some electron thing (for some ungodly reason), it doesn't work with my autostart scripts that I have
21:26:28 * Halcyon coffees electrohead
21:26:52 * electrohead gets coffee'd
21:27:08 <Halcyon> How you feeling today?
21:27:18 <Ampera> Proton is probably fine if you don't want a real desktop email client, but oh god is this bad
21:27:22 <electrohead> good, slept close to 10 hours
21:27:41 <Ampera> so I think i may give putting together my own email server another shot
21:27:42 <electrohead> not as manic-like, today, which is good
21:27:53 * electrohead offers neomutt to Ampera
21:28:37 * Ampera swats at electrohead with alpine
21:28:56 <Ampera> (though I actually use claws-mail, because I do need http mail :P)
21:30:10 * Halcyon Plex's all over electrohead
21:30:26 <Halcyon> 8 hours left of POI
21:30:35 <Halcyon> I can't wait to get fibre
21:30:43 * electrohead gets per-plexed
21:30:59 <electrohead> heh, yeah I would love to switch
21:31:36 <Halcyon> https://www.plex.tv/media-server-downloads/#plex-media-server
21:31:36 <EEVBot> [url] Media Server Downloads | Plex Media Server for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD and More | www.plex.tv
21:31:48 <steve30> coffee sounds nice
21:32:01 <Ampera> If plex was foss I'd probably appreciate it more
21:32:09 <Ampera> I should play around with kodi some day
21:32:22 <electrohead> kodi is nice as fuck
21:32:24 <Ampera> might be fun on my tablet or phone
21:32:33 <electrohead> I remember when it was called xbmc, heh
21:32:34 <Ampera> Last time I used it, it was called XMBC
21:32:39 <Ampera> or XBMC
21:32:40 <Halcyon> Kodi is OK, but I swapped to the native Plex app
21:32:41 <Ampera> one of those
21:32:48 <Ampera> XBMC
21:32:48 <electrohead> xbmc
21:32:58 <electrohead> and then, before that - xbmp
21:33:05 <Ampera> non-foss is blech
21:33:17 <Halcyon> It's kind of the best available
21:33:27 <Ampera> by what metric
21:33:45 <Ampera> for me, the best is a network share, as it's easy to configure, allows me access to all my media, and is simple to organize
21:33:49 <Halcyon> Functionality, customisability, compatibility cross-platforms
21:34:04 <Ampera> I do give plex +1 for overt FreeBSD support
21:34:22 <Halcyon> I can be in bumfuck Idaho and still stream my content with transcoding on-the-fly
21:34:55 <Ampera> most of my media is small enough to not need transcoding
21:35:06 <Halcyon> Most of mine is 1080P if not 4K
21:35:23 <Ampera> I have some HD and 4K stuff, but most is SD TV shows
21:35:37 <Ampera> and plus, since it's a network share, if my connection is shit, I can always download and watch it later
21:35:48 <Halcyon> But like, electrohead and I tested yesterday, we were using the "Watch Together" feature to sync streams and watch shows
21:35:55 <Halcyon> I was using my Sony TV, he was in a browser
21:36:10 <Halcyon> Plex allows you to download the native file as well
21:36:32 <Halcyon> It's a lot of functionality for peanuts
21:36:36 <steve30> i would like some more food, but i have a shortage
21:36:45 * Halcyon noodles steve30
21:37:16 <Ampera> I don't really have a big purpose for it. I consume my media collection so infrequently that it doesn't really matter
21:37:30 <Halcyon> That's fair
21:38:11 <Halcyon> I used to just use a network share but I actually do like the added functionality, like keeping track of where I'm up to in various seasons, sharing with friends (without needing a VPN), accessing stuff from outside home etc...
21:38:13 <electrohead> Halcyon: we could probably get away with using a SSH tunnel, for plex
21:38:27 <Halcyon> electrohead, yeh well I want to sort that out for other reasons
21:38:32 * steve30 diphenhydramines
21:38:47 <Halcyon> You just got to get your network sorted
21:39:03 <Ampera> I use SFTP for network shares so it's likely more secure than plex is
21:39:13 <Halcyon> It probably is Ampera
21:39:24 <Ampera> doesn't plex use TLS? why do you need an SSH tunnel
21:39:24 <Halcyon> But it's TV shows/movies so who really cares
21:39:38 <Halcyon> It does yes
21:39:38 <Ampera> if you can use TLS client certs, that solve auth
21:39:49 * Ampera <3 client certs
21:40:00 <Halcyon> But electrohead and I have been talking about a PtP VPN for ages
21:40:03 <Halcyon> Just got to do it
21:40:13 <Ampera> I thought you already were
21:40:23 <Halcyon> I am with 2 other mates, not with electrohead
21:40:30 <Ampera> Router has been an unsolved problem with me for a while
21:40:44 <Ampera> I want to replace my pfSense box with something nicer. I just don't have the time, and pfSense is good enough
21:41:09 <Ampera> Honestly, I think large scale VPNs are a mistake. Cool and fun with friends, but when it's done on a corporate level, it's awful
21:41:11 <Halcyon> I actually need to upgrade the two VPN connections I currently have set up. They were done years ago and use the old pre-shared key method, which is being deprecated from pfsense
21:41:22 <Ampera> it means there's almost nothing stopping a worm from one office destroying all the others
21:41:47 <Halcyon> Ampera, that's true, but even with a VPN you want to limit access/traffic, just like a VLAN
21:41:48 <Ampera> It's better if you just have a simple firewall between the nets, but that's not that much better than just using the internet
21:42:02 <Halcyon> You wouldn't have all your IoT devices or printers sitting on the same network as your important shit
21:42:08 <Ampera> I do
21:42:20 * Halcyon spanks Ampera
21:42:48 <Ampera> It's on the list
21:42:53 <Halcyon> Yep
21:42:54 <Ampera> the list is just very long
21:42:58 <Halcyon> That's been my problem too
21:43:02 <Halcyon> List keeps growing
21:43:23 <Ampera> I am also facing a dual problem. if I configure a complicated network, it has to be simple enough for my dad to figure it out
21:43:27 <Ampera> as I need to leave him with something when I move out
21:43:45 <Ampera> so I might just buy him a small network PC and install pfSense or OpnSense on it
21:43:46 <Halcyon> Leave him with your ISPs modem/router and default WiFi :P
21:43:49 <Halcyon> What else does he need?
21:43:56 <Ampera> ISP doesn't give us a modem nor router
21:44:01 <Halcyon> Hm
21:44:12 <Ampera> we have an ONT in the basement which spits out raw ethernet
21:44:19 <Ampera> which is exactly how it should be
21:44:25 <Halcyon> I can't wait for that
21:44:32 <Halcyon> Should be finished this month
21:44:33 <Halcyon> \o/
21:44:43 <Ampera> The only thing better are ISPs that provide and/or support SFP ONTs
21:44:52 <Ampera> most technically do, they just don't advertise it
21:45:35 <Ampera> I've been debating my networking plans for when I have my new house
21:45:45 <Halcyon> Mmmm?
21:45:56 <Ampera> I think a goal will be whole house ethernet, and provisions to install whole house fiber in the future
21:46:14 <Ampera> I actually would consider using a network of unmanaged switches as I do now, as they are inherently low power devices that can be easily powered off centralized 12V
21:46:17 <Ampera> or even PoE
21:46:19 <steve30> The march on Saturday was called the 'CityFibre Parade of Unity'. Although I suspect that the people in Cityfibre tshirts might have just been generic gays, and were probably not the people who dig the roads up to install fibre.
21:46:56 <Halcyon> Damn generic gays
21:47:08 <Ampera> Yeah, I hate those off the shelf, standardizes homosexuals.
21:47:10 <Halcyon> Ampera: Yeh PoE switches are neat (and cheap)
21:47:14 <Ampera> The type you can buy off McMaster Carr
21:47:23 <Halcyon> Or even the in-wall APs/Switches
21:48:22 <Ampera> APs are another hard part. I am sorta not too thrilled with Ubiquiti as a company, and I hate UniFi personally. I'd buy gear from elsewhere, but either it's consumer garbage, or only available in quantities of multiple thousands
21:48:51 <Ampera> So I'll probably just go with Ubiquiti's 802.11ax gear and forget about it
21:48:52 <Halcyon> Unifi isn't consumer (unless you're talking about the USG stuff)
21:48:59 <Ampera> it's prosumer
21:49:04 <Halcyon> Their proper radios and in-wall units are neat
21:49:17 <Ampera> I also didn't say they were consumer
21:49:25 <Halcyon> Eh, I'd even go far as enterprise. They are 95% of the way to what Cisco and Aruba offer
21:49:26 <Ampera> I said other providers are either consumer, or work in volume
21:49:42 <Ampera> Yeah, but any joe can buy one and set it up with their phone
21:49:49 <Ampera> you can't do that with 99% of real enterprise gear
21:50:01 <Halcyon> Just because you can set it up with a phone doesn't make it worse
21:50:10 <Halcyon> It makes it flexible
21:50:35 <Ampera> I didn't say it's worse
21:50:37 <Ampera> I said it's prosumer
21:50:51 <Halcyon> Something like the U6 is definitely not prosumer
21:51:00 <Halcyon> Very large installations use that same gear
21:51:17 <Ampera> think like what a prosumer camcorder would be, something that a professional would happily use and is not necessarily gimped
21:51:21 <Ampera> but is still sold to consumers
21:51:32 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:51:36 <Ampera> it's all semantics anyways
21:52:02 <Halcyon> You, as a consumer, can go and buy Cisco
21:52:10 <Halcyon> Money is money
21:52:16 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:52:22 <Ampera> I've tried in the past and found it a lot harder
21:52:39 <Ampera> but I also haven't looked hard, and haven't done so for a few years
21:52:41 <Ampera> so what do I k now
21:53:05 <Halcyon> Because your average Chinese man down the road won't be a Cisco reseller. But whether you're buying 1 or 1000, Cisco (and their partners) will still sell to you (at a premium)
21:53:19 <Halcyon> Depends whether or not you want to "rent" your wireless network or not
21:54:41 * steve30 pets his WRT-54G
21:54:47 <Halcyon> Classic
21:54:54 <electrohead> https://bikerglen.com/blog/usb-knobs-that-double-as-a-blackmagic-remote/
21:54:55 <EEVBot> [url] USB Knob Box Doubles as a Blackmagic Designs Camera Remote | Photons, Electrons, and Dirt | bikerglen.com
21:54:56 <electrohead> neat
21:55:17 <Halcyon> Ooooh knobs
21:55:39 <jaymax> What's up ya nobs?
21:55:56 <Halcyon> No way, Blackmagic do Arduino shields now?
21:56:00 <Halcyon> That's cools
21:56:04 <Halcyon> -s
21:58:27 <Ampera> Blackmagic is another disappointment. Their thunderbolt capture cards leave a lot to be desired for Linux
21:58:34 <Ampera> davinci resolve is still pretty nice, though
21:58:48 <Ampera> I still need to see if my capture card is any better on Windows
21:58:52 <electrohead> Ampera: everything is a disappointment to you :p
21:58:54 <Halcyon> I've only ever used their rackmount recorders and monitors
21:59:02 <Ampera> They advertise 4:4:4 RGB @ 1080p60, but it refuses to switch to that mode
21:59:18 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead you dickhead
21:59:31 <Ampera> Best I can get is 4:2:0 YUV @ 1080p60, or 4:4:4 RGB @ 1080p30 (only on OBS, gstreamer refuses to do this)
21:59:42 <electrohead> no you're a towel
21:59:45 * electrohead runs
21:59:46 <Halcyon> :D
21:59:48 <Halcyon> Hahaha
22:03:29 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQsoF7kLe-E
22:03:30 <EEVBot> [url] Flippity Fish | Infomercialism - YouTube | www.youtube.com
22:06:57 <electrohead> sorry for getting political, but .. trump-land got raided by the feds. :D
22:07:33 <Halcyon> As Ampera says....
22:07:35 <Halcyon> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:07:44 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:07:57 <Ampera> I'm 99% of the way to being full jaded with politics
22:08:04 <Ampera> I almost don't even give a shit about voting anymore
22:08:31 <electrohead> I have never voted a day in my life
22:08:54 <Ampera> god bless you sir, thank you for your service to the cause of establishing that american democracy is fucking broken
22:09:33 * jaymax throws his vote at some fringe party every time
22:09:34 <Ampera> Voting is such an insignificant amount of my time I might as well do it, because even if it's useless, at least I hedge any bets to where if it actually matters or will make a difference
22:12:58 <jaymax> Honestly I consider "spoiling" the ballot by voting "Harambe" as the write-in candidate as a better form of protest than not showing up.
22:13:56 <Ampera> Sure, but that also takes effort :D
22:14:02 <jaymax> Or a write-in of "someone not a fucking idiot"
22:14:45 <Ampera> inb4 Harambe Cortez, surprise mexican independent candidate, steals the election, and makes access to goya a human right
22:14:51 <Ampera> I'd vote for him
22:15:15 <steve30> I still haven't got to try out Resolve
22:15:25 <steve30> I installed it on my Slackware box but it didn't work.
22:15:32 <Ampera> steve30, if you can work around its lack of codec support, it's pretty decent.
22:15:46 <Ampera> It's about as crashy as other options, but also similarly well featured, at least for simple work.
22:16:17 <jaymax> Effort is the entire difference of (in perception) not caring about the process versus not *confident* of what the process gains.
22:16:17 <Ampera> I've considered, in the past, writing some wrapper scripts to ffmpeg to try and make my own video editor
22:16:24 <Ampera> maybe throw some gstreamer in there and make something interesting of it
22:16:25 <steve30> I've been using my police-approved pirate copy of Premiere Pro CS5 lately :p
22:17:02 <Ampera> jaymax, sure, I am just saying that effort is part of the struggle with voting
22:17:43 <Ampera> Part of the problem that I have with voting is I seem to be such an unabashed centrist that the vast majority of candidates that have any political leaning whatsoever end up being largely incompatible with my views.
22:18:05 <Ampera> The other problem is I feel like a responsible vote requires research, but without spending obnoxious amounts of time on it, good research is nearly impossible to perform yourself.
22:18:43 <Ampera> Especially for local elections where you should count yourself lucky if the candidate's wordpress site manages to pull its shit together to give you a few hastily jotted down points and a campaign office address
22:18:54 <jaymax> For sure. Also, limiting voting places for a district to the point of having a two-hour wait at one, should be criminal.
22:19:17 <jaymax> 20 minutes to get to the booth of GTFO
22:19:23 <jaymax> *or
22:19:30 <Ampera> The voting districts in NY are fucking hilarious
22:20:26 <Ampera> Mine literally ends a walk down my street. It has absolutely no bearing on the people in it, or why they might or might not want to be represented together.
22:20:39 <Halcyon> steve30, you like it?
22:21:03 <Ampera> Oh, and that's just the state assembly districts, state senate districts are just randomly different, and it took my an actual hour to find up to date district maps for it
22:21:37 * jaymax goes find breakfast food and coffee
22:21:55 <Halcyon> I just had post-dinner toast
22:21:58 <Ampera> NY has especially fucked up this year's election. It took the state supreme court to tell the state legislature that a democratic supermajority legislature writing the districts themselves is actually gerrymandering
22:22:01 <steve30> I haven't used it alot but it seems to work nicely
22:22:27 <Ampera> Unfortunately they came up with that idea well past the due date, so shits were bricked as people figured out what the hell to even do
22:22:43 <Ampera> so now we actually have two primary election dates. I didn't show up to the first one and I'm not sure I'll bother showing up to the second.
22:22:54 <Ampera> My party's candidates are about as shit as the other's
22:28:23 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/wjlqfi/cooking_time/
22:28:26 <EEVBot> [reddit] Cooking time (https://v.redd.it/xa49q9vhckg91) to r/Unexpected | 34899 points (90.0%) | 1153 comments | Posted by AcideKvro | Created at 2022-08-08 - 18:09:20EDT
22:28:47 <electrohead> that's a big cat, lol
22:29:03 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
22:31:20 <steve30> meow
22:32:26 <electrohead> r'ow
22:32:30 <K> meanwhile - https://i.redd.it/d9qlwkn47lg91.jpg
22:32:32 <EEVBot> [reddit] What do you call the man in the Baltic sea? to r/YUROP | 339 points (100.0%) | 30 comments | Posted by All_The_Clovers | Created at 2022-08-09 - 01:02:05UTC | https://redd.it/wjpobc
22:32:56 <electrohead> lol
22:33:16 <electrohead> my sincere apologies .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeV3hRqjAgY
22:33:16 <EEVBot> [url] Sous Vide Big Mac - YouTube | www.youtube.com
22:35:27 <Ampera> I'm not sure which is worse, Nothing\ talking about mutilation or horrific medical conditions, or you posting food whose creation should warrant the death sentence
22:35:38 * Ampera hugs electrohead
22:35:41 <Ampera> how are you do electroguy
22:35:59 <electrohead> lmfao
22:36:05 * electrohead hugs the Ampera
22:36:18 <electrohead> I are do good me think, y tu?
22:36:50 <Ampera> I am doing okay. Having a good day at work so far. I'm probably gonna play with postfix/dovecot once I get home
22:38:33 <electrohead> that's good, yeah I'm going to watch a few videos and lay down for a bit, then need to check that gmail account I have, that I use for indeed.com
22:38:44 <electrohead> still applying for jobs, heh
22:53:05 <Halcyon> steve30: https://youtu.be/S7PP3Ncmr8E?t=666
22:53:06 <EEVBot> [url] A Week On Hello Fresh DAY 2 - YouTube | youtu.be
22:53:14 <Halcyon> What's with the "Rotherham" reference ?
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23:22:55 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/wjbji4/idiot_running_a_red_light_causes_bus_to_fall_off/
23:22:57 <EEVBot> [reddit] Idiot running a red light causes bus to fall off a bridge (https://v.redd.it/dk4gr5upbig91) to r/IdiotsInCars | 13631 points (99.0%) | 305 comments | Posted by Tincho77W | Created at 2022-08-08 - 11:21:21EDT
23:22:58 <electrohead> daaamn
23:24:02 <Halcyon> Gees
23:24:14 <Halcyon> People like that should lose their licence on the spot
23:25:33 <electrohead> yeah for sure
23:26:35 <Ampera> 10 points to the driver for somehow managing not to get it in the water
23:26:50 <Ampera> *bus driver
23:27:08 <Ampera> the car driver apparently was drunk. People who DUI shouldn't just lose their license on the spot, they should have at least a month or a few behind bars.
23:27:17 <Halcyon> Totally agree
23:27:36 <Ampera> Neighbor's cousin, person I sold my grandfather's old buick to, managed to DUI it off the interstate, and smashed the whole thing.
23:27:53 <Ampera> He's already got his license back because he managed to fuck with the DMV somehow to give it back to him
23:28:03 <Halcyon> This is why I'm such an advocate for roadside breath and drug testing
23:28:04 <Ampera> it's not even a provisional license, it's a full license.
23:28:10 <Ampera> fucker should have sat behind bars for that one.
23:28:48 <Ampera> I am not, as unwarranted street searches have no excuse.
23:28:59 <Halcyon> A test is not a search
23:29:20 <Halcyon> You just count from 1 to 5 to test for alcohol. It's not that hard
23:29:49 <Ampera> eh
23:29:55 <Ampera> I'm not going to win this argument, so I won't bother.
23:30:11 <Ampera> Australia is a police state with no personal freedoms.
23:30:23 <Halcyon> We're actually more free than North America
23:30:31 <Ampera> No, you just like your system better
23:30:33 <Ampera> which is fine
23:30:39 * electrohead sips his coffee and puts his feet on the table
23:30:50 <Halcyon> It's just if you're driving a car, you are subject to strict rules
23:31:07 <Halcyon> And being stopped at any time, randomly for a breath test is one of them (for good reason)
23:31:09 <Ampera> You, as a cop, have a general disregard for the rights and freedoms of the vast majority of people. I am honestly convinced a lot of cops are so jaded they can't help but see everyone as a criminal waiting to happen.
23:31:16 <Halcyon> If you don't like it, catch a train
23:31:31 * electrohead causally walks away
23:32:09 <Ampera> Your entire world perspective is just fucked, because you've seen it work from your perspective, not from the perspective of an actual private citizen who has to worry about cops screwing people over.
23:32:11 <Halcyon> You literally watched a video of a drunk driver that could have potentially killed a bus full of people, yet testing for alcohol is still beyond the realms of your comprehension?
23:32:14 <Halcyon> I don't get it
23:32:55 <Ampera> It's a more complicated subject, but pulling people over without cause has been abused by our police to no end.
23:33:36 <Halcyon> Why is it such a drama to be stopped for a moment, only to speak into a device for a few seconds, and if you're negative, you'll be on your way, such a drama?
23:33:55 <Ampera> Allowing unwarranted stops and searches gives our cops, who are known to abuse their power, even with full sanction of their local governments, to harass more people.
23:34:07 <Halcyon> The power is merely to breath test
23:34:21 <Halcyon> It's not an excuse to search, or anything else
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23:34:42 <Ampera> Because the drama is being stopped at all. Police here fake speed, plant drugs, and try to juice fines and lock up people they simply don't like all the time.
23:34:58 <Ampera> Giving cops the power to do what they want when they want has always led to it being abused here.
23:35:05 <Halcyon> That seems to be a problem with your government and your procedures.
23:35:28 <Ampera> I refuse to accept that your police are magically better. Abuse of power is human nature, and there has yet to be a system properly implemented to stop it.
23:35:38 <Ysjoelfir> mornings-ish
23:35:40 <Halcyon> "Faking speed" is not a thing here. Neither is "faking lack of sobriety". It's not a song-and-dance exercise, it's a simple, scientific and traceable test.
23:36:05 <Ampera> I do not believe you, and that is that.
23:36:22 <Halcyon> Well, it's the law. Everything is verifiable and traceable.
23:36:27 <Halcyon> Otherwise it's inadmissable.
23:36:34 <Ampera> You are highly biased, and do not have the perspective of having been on the other end of the law, or living in a society where power granted is always abused.
23:36:54 <Ampera> I think that's the story you tell yourself, maybe even the one you've seen. I just do not believe it's true.
23:37:46 <Halcyon> If you are convicted of driving under the influence here, it's because you had x miligrams/milligrams of substance in your blood or breath. Not "old mate couldn't touch his nose and walk in a line"
23:37:57 * Ysjoelfir coughs
23:37:57 <Halcyon> *millilitres
23:38:27 <Ampera> That is the ideal here, and there are certainly people who are caught that way.
23:39:01 <Ampera> and I would be willing to compromise on police power to make certain warranted stops and tests of intoxication. The unrestricted right to pull over whoever whenever for whatever, just to test them, is too great.
23:39:35 <Halcyon> Unfortunately Ampera, you live in a nation that goes against the majority of the world in that respect. Driving a car isn't a right, it's something you should earn and be subject to the laws of the road.
23:39:42 <Ampera> Part of being able to have all these checks and verification is to ensure that cops need to have a real reason to stop people.
23:39:45 <Halcyon> If you don't like it, simply don't drive? There's your choice.
23:40:01 <Ampera> Driving a car is not a right, but that doesn't mean you should give up your rights just to drive.
23:40:11 <Ampera> You're arguing an irrelevant point.
23:40:32 <Halcyon> My right as another road user is not to be slammed into by some idiot drunk driver.
23:41:05 <Ampera> Sure, but the moral solution is not to dissolve the rights of everyone to save the few.
23:41:07 <Halcyon> There is no point in having a law, if you aren't going to test/enforce it.
23:41:16 <Halcyon> You may as well not bother and rely on the honour system
23:41:26 <Ampera> Absolutely, I am saying randomly testing and enforcing law is not a good solution.
23:41:43 <Halcyon> So how do you test for drunk drivers in your solution?
23:41:55 <Halcyon> Wait until after the fact?
23:42:03 <Ampera> Cops should only be able to pull over when they have video evidence of reckless driving.
23:42:15 <Ampera> All it needs is a dashcam and someone to be driving drunk
23:42:35 <Halcyon> And all drunk drivers drive recklessly do they?
23:42:44 <Ampera> If they're not driving recklessly, then I don't see what the problem is.
23:42:46 <Halcyon> Those that kill others, they were all driving recklessly?
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23:43:03 <Ampera> Yes, reckless driving while intoxicated, by definition, is the cause of all accidents involving alcohol.
23:43:11 <Halcyon> Again, proven after the fact
23:43:28 <Ampera> No, you can prove it before the stop is made, that's why a cop should be required to have it on video
23:43:35 <Halcyon> "Kill someone first, then find yourself in trouble"
23:43:49 <Halcyon> If you don't injure someone, it's fine. No harm, no foul.
23:44:40 <Ampera> Well why don't we annually arrest everyone and send them through court, just to make sure that they're not guilty?
23:44:56 <Ampera> Sure it might be a crunch now, but industry has a habit of expanding to match demand
23:45:08 <Ampera> I'm sure we could make it happen if we wanted to. The US practically does it already.
23:45:21 <Halcyon> All I'm suggesting is, a simple breath test for alcohol, which is quantatitive, verifiable, tracable and literally takes no effort seems like a much simpler solution/
23:45:28 <Ampera> Sure, that's fine
23:45:34 <Ampera> I'm not against testing for alcohol
23:45:39 <Ampera> I am against random stops and searches without cause
23:45:51 <Halcyon> In the time it takes for you to say "Hello, good morning officer", is all that's needed.
23:46:08 <Ampera> It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of not permitting cops to abuse powers given to them.
23:46:11 <Halcyon> You don't even need to smile if you don't want to
23:46:25 <Halcyon> How is testing for drunk drivers an abuse of power/
23:46:27 <Halcyon> ?
23:46:30 <Ampera> I never said it was
23:46:34 <Ampera> I said random stops and searches without cause are
23:46:45 <Halcyon> "Hello mate, I see you are driving a car, I'm here to check your licence and test you for alcohol"
23:47:01 <Halcyon> I'm not talking about searches. That's an entirely different topic.
23:47:12 <Ampera> Tests are searches, you are searching an individual's body for traces of alcohol.
23:47:16 <Halcyon> No they aren't
23:47:19 <Ampera> Why aren't they
23:47:20 <Halcyon> Even in the US, they aren't.
23:47:25 <Halcyon> Um... case law
23:47:25 <Ampera> They are, actually.
23:47:40 <Ampera> We're not talking about case law, we're talking about how things should be.
23:47:55 <Ampera> Random stops and searches are unconstitutional in the US, but they absolutely happen
23:47:59 <Ampera> and they are absolutely abused on a regular basis
23:48:04 <Halcyon> What you believe "should be" and "what is" are two different things Ampera.
23:48:15 <Ampera> Yes?
23:48:20 <Ampera> This isn't a purely descriptive conversation?
23:48:21 <Halcyon> Doesn't make you correct.
23:48:26 <Ampera> I never said I was correct.
23:48:35 <Ampera> I am not describing, I am prescribing.
23:48:38 <Halcyon> So you are arguing a point that you're wrong about?
23:48:43 <Ampera> I never said I was wrong either
23:48:54 <Halcyon> So you don't actually know?
23:48:55 <Ampera> I have an opinion, one that is only right or wrong by one's own beliefs.
23:49:08 <Ampera> It's like saying "I want my house to be painted green" is either right or wrong
23:49:16 <Ampera> sure, if you hate green houses, it's wrong
23:49:17 <Halcyon> Regarless of your beliefs, you have a legal and moral obligation to not kill people and do as you're told.
23:49:20 <Ampera> if you like them, it might be right
23:49:31 <Ampera> I do not have an obligation to do as I am told.
23:49:53 <Ampera> Cops do not have unilateral authority to command me in any way they wish.
23:50:17 <Ampera> In circumstances they might issue a command I am legally obligated to follow, but that does not mean I must always do everything they say.
23:50:17 <Halcyon> I really, truly hope, that you never have to suffer the pain of you or a family member being injured or killed by something that was easily preventable.
23:50:45 <Ampera> Do you understand the problem we are discussing?
23:50:53 <Halcyon> Thoroughly.
23:50:58 <Ampera> I very much understand the impact and problems associated with drunk driving.
23:51:03 <Ampera> I had to grow up with alcoholic parents.
23:51:14 <Ampera> This could very well be as personal for me as it is for you
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23:51:37 <Ampera> The insinuation that I am not taking this issue seriously or somehow do not believe drunk driving should end is disgusting.
23:51:38 <Halcyon> No, I get it, your view is "fuck the police"
23:52:04 <Ampera> Not really. Defund the police is just as bad as giving police unrestricted powers.
23:52:18 <Ampera> Authority is dangerous, but necessary.
23:52:52 <Ampera> If I didn't want the police here, I wouldn't be suggesting how they might stop and search without needlessly violating people's rights.
23:52:54 <Halcyon> The issue of breath testing is one tiny grain in the sand when compared to the problems the US local/state/federal/mall/college/whatever police have
23:52:59 <Halcyon> It's a broken system
23:53:05 <Ampera> No shit.
23:53:25 <Halcyon> I happen to have experience in a system that actually does work (for the most part)
23:53:27 <Ampera> However, I am under the impression this conversation is about drunk driving and stopping/testing
23:53:31 <Ampera> You believe it works.
23:53:41 <Ampera> You are uniquely biased to believe that you and your comrades did a good job.
23:53:46 <Halcyon> Not saying it's perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what you have
23:53:53 <Ampera> You do not have the context nor the experience to honestly say if it does.
23:53:56 <Halcyon> I *did* do a good job
23:54:04 <Ampera> You think you did, and you think it's better.
23:54:09 <Halcyon> Including locking up my "comrades" that did a terrible job
23:54:28 <Ampera> I do not believe you can honestly say that is truly is, and to say that trades you are willing made are worth more than what others wish to give up.
23:54:44 <Ampera> *it truly is
23:54:52 <Halcyon> Trades? What are you on about?
23:55:14 <Ampera> The trades of freedom
23:55:32 <Ampera> One acquired freedom requires trading another, and it's typically an unequal trade, for good or bad.
23:55:54 <Halcyon> Policing here is entirely different to there. I've never been spat on, I've never had a gun or knife pulled on me and I've only had to use force a small handful of times... that's in 14 years of service.
23:55:56 <Ampera> How you wish to set the thermostat of personal freedom is not the only correct way.
23:56:13 <Ampera> How many of those years were front line service?
23:56:15 <Ampera> out of curiosity.
23:56:25 <Halcyon> I've had members of the public say "thank you" more than I have been called a "dog cunt"
23:56:28 <Ampera> I don't doubt you, but your experience cannot possibly represent the police of an entire country
23:56:41 <Ampera> Sure, and there are genuinely police here that are kind, police, and respected.
23:56:46 <Halcyon> Quite a few. Even when I was specialist, I routinely volunteered for front-line duty.
23:56:47 <Ampera> Ones that lay down the law only when they must.
23:57:09 <Ampera> You could very well be one of those, but that doesn't mean that your system is better, it just means /you/ are.
23:57:42 <Halcyon> I don't think of it as an individual thing, I see 99% of my peers being the same way as me
23:57:45 <Halcyon> It's systemic
23:58:02 <Halcyon> Those that fuck up, get owned
23:58:08 <Halcyon> And so they fucking should
23:58:09 <Ampera> Sure, but there is a bias. At least here, police are notorious for the union brotherhoods they form. It's why police almost always get away with abusing their power here
23:58:17 <Halcyon> I know they are
23:58:27 <Halcyon> I don't deny that for a second
23:58:33 <Ampera> A lot of police have such a resentment for the average person that they often even don't consider those abuses to be bad, as a whole
23:58:39 <Halcyon> Yep
23:58:46 <Ampera> that is why there is a serious bias present within the police's own impression of their system
23:58:59 <Halcyon> But that isn't a reflection of all police everywhere, or all systems of government.
23:59:08 <Ampera> I think the vast majority of police in the US think they are there for the good of society, and do a good job.
23:59:19 <Ampera> I never said it was, and I also have not mentioned systems of government.
23:59:33 <Halcyon> Strict laws aren't always a bad thing
23:59:50 <Ampera> I am saying that, within this conversation, you do not really have the perspective necessary to fairly judge the fairness of your police system.
23:59:55 <Halcyon> It's just you (as in Americans) have such a dim view on them and look at them as an attack of your own freedoms.
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