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00:12:12 <K> wrong chat, sry.
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02:14:58 <MrMobodies> Aahh, Ampera, I forgot how if your new cpu and motherboard going?
02:15:09 <MrMobodies> oops *is
02:15:43 <Ampera> MrMobodies, quite good
02:15:50 <Ampera> it's decently powerful, quiet, and efficient
02:16:25 <Ampera> Intel's 12th gen stuff is pretty nice. AMD's competency has really been putting the pressure on them.
02:16:53 <Ampera> it's kinda amazing how they went from 10nm (or Intel 7) being an unmitigated disaster to having good chips shipping in numbers to rival the competition fairly
02:19:54 <MrMobodies> Well worth it with the rise in energy prices especially in my side of the world
02:19:56 <MrMobodies> You brought a new power supply to go with it?
02:22:01 <MrMobodies> I offered someone my old HP DL380 G5 two years ago when I moved. Discovering the model up was more than double efficient
02:22:12 <MrMobodies> this was about the covid lockdown
02:22:41 <MrMobodies> they live far away, I have some stuff for them but I bet they are not doing want now
02:22:59 <MrMobodies> it uses about 300 - 400w maybe more
02:23:04 <MrMobodies> an hour
02:23:06 <Ampera> MrMobodies, I used the PSU from my old storage server, which this is also replacing
02:23:12 <Ampera> it's a 750W Seasonic unit
02:23:27 <Ampera> 20 hard drives take a remarkably small amount of power, at least for the ultrastars
02:23:28 <MrMobodies> I think that one had 2 quad core 3ghz
02:23:32 <MrMobodies> oooh Seasonic
02:23:49 <Ampera> I think idle power for those drives is around 120W for the load of them, and closer to 200W for all of them chooching at once
02:24:00 <Ampera> I never buy anything other than seasonic these days
02:24:49 <MrMobodies> https://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/13-5.jpg
02:25:07 <MrMobodies> I once across a small atx Seasonic in 2013 from a nas storage
02:25:11 <MrMobodies> still worked
02:25:26 <MrMobodies> when I opened it all the caps bulged but the fact it maintaned the voltages
02:25:32 <Ampera> Seasonic has been around for a while.
02:25:37 <MrMobodies> and it was subject to overheating in a warehouse office
02:25:48 <Ampera> They're the OEM for a lot of PSU brands too, but I buy from them direct to be sure I get a seasonic
02:26:00 <MrMobodies> and it was overworked so I was impressed how the voltages were kept under control
02:26:31 <MrMobodies> and it was packed full or surge filters
02:26:34 <MrMobodies> and other components
02:26:43 <MrMobodies> It was a 350w mini atx
02:26:55 <MrMobodies> powered up 4 ide drives 120gb each
02:27:08 <MrMobodies> it was put in raid but it had no hardware raid support
02:27:23 <MrMobodies> despite it being a gigabit I could pull 6 megabytes a second
02:27:40 <MrMobodies> in non raid it could 66 megabytes a second
02:28:09 <MrMobodies> and I think it was about 8 years ago
02:29:28 <MrMobodies> I think it had the United Chemicon not cheap caps
02:29:41 <MrMobodies> but that went 24/7
02:30:31 <MrMobodies> I remember I had some seasonic from a packard bell in 1998
02:30:37 <MrMobodies> I think it was 230w
02:30:46 <MrMobodies> no problems, I think I still got it
02:30:59 <MrMobodies> but no problems with that when it was in use
02:32:52 <MrMobodies> Enermax has become too expensive and some that are rebranded are not great
02:33:10 <MrMobodies> I think that was the liberty series and used this glue that became conductive over time
02:33:17 <MrMobodies> but I brought 2 of them and they failed
02:33:39 <MrMobodies> So I will be looking at Seasonic
02:33:44 <MrMobodies> as an alternative
02:34:27 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seasonic-Efficiency-Cable-Free-Connection-Performance/dp/B077J9G9CH
02:34:29 <EEVBot> [url] Seasonic Focus GX 750W Power Supply, Full Modular, 80 Plus Gold, 90% Efficiency, Cable-Free Connection, Hybrid Silent Fan Control, 10 Years Warranty, Power and Performance | Black : Amazon.co.uk: Comp | www.amazon.co.uk
02:34:31 <MrMobodies> Now that s a good sign
02:34:55 <MrMobodies> 1200 reviews, 85% 5 star, 4 star 9%
02:36:20 <MrMobodies> there is one thing a bit scared about this is with mostly every other PSU manufacturer
02:36:21 <MrMobodies> https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71vxZNxHjmL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
02:36:28 <MrMobodies> cables no longer colour coded
02:36:56 <MrMobodies> in the past I have brought extensions cables that were not colour coded, one of them fried two drives
02:37:04 <MrMobodies> so now I double check them just incase
02:37:32 <MrMobodies> fortunately those two drives were under warranty and were replaced
02:37:54 <MrMobodies> the 3v and 5v was reversed
02:38:18 <MrMobodies> psu shut down and I smelt grass
02:38:41 <MrMobodies> aah they have apsu tester that's nice
02:39:38 <MrMobodies> https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71pIUDwDQsL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
02:40:00 <MrMobodies> I see the button on that one says "hybrid mode"
02:40:40 <MrMobodies> aah that's for the fan
02:42:32 <MrMobodies> 10 years warranty
02:42:54 <MrMobodies> that says it all nice they have such high expectations of their stuff
02:50:51 <rust_collector> how long do they expect a server power supply to work? In general I mean. say a hp
02:51:26 <MrMobodies> I am not sure
02:51:33 <MrMobodies> they say 10 years warranty
02:51:45 <MrMobodies> Joke: I expect mine to work forever
02:51:57 <rust_collector> I would think more than 5, at least
02:52:14 <MrMobodies> Enermax I am think they had a 3 year warranty buy I have still got some from 2004 second hand that still work
02:52:26 <LordGeir> When we used HP at my previous job, we had 10 year warranty, but it was recommended to replace them at ~7
02:52:29 <MrMobodies> I got a cupboard full of them that i brought on Ebay cheap
02:52:39 <MrMobodies> aaah not bad
02:52:45 <MrMobodies> 7 years recommended
02:52:55 <rust_collector> that sounds... sane.
02:53:12 <MrMobodies> I remembered the worst mistake I ever made
02:53:22 <MrMobodies> in 2003 I brought this bundle
02:53:24 <LordGeir> We only used redundancy, so all servers had dual power supplies
02:53:28 <MrMobodies> down a computer fair
02:53:47 <MrMobodies> aah that nice
02:54:37 <LordGeir> And the two PSUs were connected to different circuits, so if one circuit failed, the other one was still on
02:55:02 <MrMobodies> so they are not going on a splitter board
02:55:11 <MrMobodies> they plug in seperate places on the motherboard
02:55:13 <LordGeir> We also had UPS power to run our entire server park, plus workstations for at least 45 minutes
02:55:44 <rust_collector> I have 6 of the 750watt ones. I think 3 different models, but they should interchange, if you have a server, but I think I will use them for something completely different
02:55:58 <MrMobodies> battery but any generators too
02:56:12 <LordGeir> The backup generator would kick in within 90 seconds on a blackout, so the UPS were never ran for more than 2-3 mins
02:58:01 <MrMobodies> 20 years ago I struggled to find good power supplies
02:58:09 <rust_collector> my internet is confused. today it thinks I am in denmark...again
02:58:10 <MrMobodies> the bundled one I got with Asus A7n8x deluxe 3.2Ghz AMD athlon and A Leadtek A350 Ultra
02:58:15 <MrMobodies> it smoked the room out one night
02:58:19 <MrMobodies> when I went to make tea
02:58:27 <MrMobodies> it was thick fog and it still on
02:58:43 <MrMobodies> that's the worst decision ever
02:58:58 <MrMobodies> I went looking 550w QTEC psu another mistake
02:59:07 <MrMobodies> I went looking everywhere
02:59:15 <MrMobodies> I had two I wanted but out of stock
02:59:23 <MrMobodies> I went back to Maplins
02:59:41 <MrMobodies> they found something Enermax 550w psu
02:59:45 <MrMobodies> £150
02:59:55 <MrMobodies> when it came in and I paid for £99
03:00:02 <MrMobodies> they said it was end of line stuff
03:00:26 <MrMobodies> out of the crap they were selling it seemed their end of line thing was better
03:00:43 <MrMobodies> I think it was a 651-P model
03:03:26 <MrMobodies> http://www.dansdata.com/eg651p.htm
03:03:27 <EEVBot> [url] Review: Enermax EG651P-VE power supply | www.dansdata.com
03:03:35 <MrMobodies> http://www.dansdata.com/images/eg651p/inside400.jpg
03:03:39 <MrMobodies> not easy to find on images
03:03:53 <MrMobodies> http://www.dansdata.com/images/eg651p/goldsinks400.jpg
03:04:01 <MrMobodies> quite generous with the copper heatsinks
03:04:19 <MrMobodies> I have 2 working, and 3 need new caps
03:04:34 <MrMobodies> all brought second hand about 12 years ago
03:04:58 <MrMobodies> but unfortunately they are not efficient
03:07:28 <rust_collector> I wonder how inefficient they are at a low output... it has to be different than at full power, I think_
03:08:29 <MrMobodies> 72% they say
03:08:33 <MrMobodies> in that article
03:08:49 <MrMobodies> I'll see if I can find some benchmarks
03:08:57 <rust_collector> 72% at full power, or running at 60watts output?
03:08:58 <MrMobodies> when I brought it I didn't care efficiency
03:09:12 <MrMobodies> I only cared about it working and not giving me problems like the others
03:09:45 <MrMobodies> I thini I found something
03:11:47 <MrMobodies> oh I can't find anything about efficiency in this benchmarks that tests for eveything else including interference
03:11:48 <MrMobodies> https://www.anandtech.com/show/1124/20
03:11:48 <EEVBot> [url] Wattages - 2003 Power Supply Roundup Part II: Better Faster Cheaper | www.anandtech.com
03:14:22 <MrMobodies> something similar but lower wattager
03:14:24 <MrMobodies> https://silentpcreview.com/enermax-noisetaker-475-psu/
03:14:25 <EEVBot> [url] Enermax NoiseTaker 475 PSU - Silent PC Review | silentpcreview.com
03:14:33 <MrMobodies> detailed efficiency testing
03:16:20 <MrMobodies> 65w - 90w 76% 200w 81% 300w 82% 400w 80% 270w 79% not great
03:16:50 <MrMobodies> in this day and age
03:17:16 <MrMobodies> aaah look a Seasonic he was testing
03:17:17 <MrMobodies> https://cdn-bbcpm.nitrocdn.com/SgNTverElKDHimpvzWWbvdcSixCmbBKZ/assets/static/optimized/rev-ecf8d19/wp-content/uploads/2004/03/test-jig2a.jpg
03:19:29 <MrMobodies> Here look at one 400w Seasonic he tested
03:19:59 <MrMobodies> 74% efficient at 40w but 90% efficient at 400w the max
03:20:00 <MrMobodies> https://silentpcreview.com/seasonic-ss-400ht-power-supply-80-plus-version/
03:20:01 <EEVBot> [url] Seasonic SS-400HT power supply, 80 Plus version - Silent PC Review | silentpcreview.com
03:20:29 <MrMobodies> 83% effivcient at 150w
03:21:06 <MrMobodies> good for mid range to high consistent power usage
03:22:53 <MrMobodies> Packed full of surge filters
03:23:00 <MrMobodies> https://cdn-bbcpm.nitrocdn.com/SgNTverElKDHimpvzWWbvdcSixCmbBKZ/assets/static/optimized/rev-ecf8d19/wp-content/uploads/2005/08/ss400ht05.jpg
03:25:33 <MrMobodies> In the news recently the war between the two candidates seem to be getting worse
03:25:44 <MrMobodies> they are doing so many U-turns
03:25:50 <MrMobodies> then they attack each other over it
03:25:53 <MrMobodies> https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1649545/Liz-Truss-Rishi-Sunak-nine-uturns-conservative-leadership-row-update
03:25:53 <EEVBot> [url] ERROR: The request could not be satisfied | www.express.co.uk
03:26:16 <MrMobodies> maybe they should both do a U-Turn into thier campaign and disappear.
03:26:24 <rust_collector> it does not matter, they will say anything to get the job
03:26:48 <MrMobodies> smiling like dogs at the local pub with heaven and the packet of crisps
03:26:56 <rust_collector> after one of them get it, they will do a new u turn, and go back on anything they promised anyway
03:27:02 <MrMobodies> and I don't like that look on their faces
03:27:19 <MrMobodies> it reminds me of Lord of the Rings
03:27:24 <MrMobodies> before they put that ring on
03:27:26 <MrMobodies> and they smile
03:27:37 <rust_collector> it is a little bit sad, but I think the guy sunak is the less dangerous one
03:28:07 <MrMobodies> I hope he keeps his pledge to keep the NHS going
03:28:29 <MrMobodies> and not charge patients who miss appointments as many can't even see a gp
03:28:34 <MrMobodies> what generally happens
03:28:43 <MrMobodies> sometimes I wait more than an hour
03:28:54 <MrMobodies> other times patients don't turn up so I get seen to quicker
03:29:22 <MrMobodies> it's already efficient in that if you are not there some else waiting will be seen to first
03:29:36 <MrMobodies> my previous gp was good before I moved
03:29:43 <MrMobodies> Indian family of GP
03:29:56 <MrMobodies> they use to break policy though and were risk of getting fines
03:30:04 <MrMobodies> they had a time limit they broke
03:30:18 <MrMobodies> to better understand the patients condition or they felt they weren't doing their jobs properly
03:30:44 <MrMobodies> they prescibe medicine over the blanket restriction amount
03:30:59 <MrMobodies> and ones they banned on the list but I think they retired now
03:31:15 <MrMobodies> all they trying to do was help the patients in genuine need
03:31:26 <MrMobodies> where over the counter medicine was too weak for their condition
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03:32:13 <MrMobodies> many would have to wait 6 months? for it be classed as a long term condition where a specialist would be able to override the CCG restrictions on restricted medicines
03:32:18 <MrMobodies> that's what i have been told
03:33:17 <MrMobodies> One thing Rishi could do, sell NHS services outside of the country to make profit
03:33:31 <MrMobodies> and i don't mean giving it away for free
03:33:52 <MrMobodies> to help it recover
03:33:55 <rust_collector> so, you think they have too much unused capacity?
03:34:14 <MrMobodies> they have many vacancies apparently
03:34:32 <MrMobodies> they would have to fill those vacancies
03:35:16 <rust_collector> and those jobs are 30% and you have to work 115%, and every weekend?
03:35:26 <MrMobodies> at the moment yes
03:35:39 <MrMobodies> that's why I am reading articles that many leave after training
03:35:54 <MrMobodies> and they hire nurses from other countries through agencies
03:35:58 <MrMobodies> underpaid and few righs
03:36:03 <MrMobodies> *rights
03:36:47 <rust_collector> but many of those went home, as you left eu
03:37:38 <MrMobodies> well I heard some are from other countries
03:37:49 <rust_collector> a lot of them, yes
03:38:17 <rust_collector> but things was going better in many places, so they are going home.
03:38:36 <MrMobodies> yes, they would have to pay them better now
03:38:52 <MrMobodies> which would force them to treat their own staff better soon enough
03:39:02 <rust_collector> you can not do that, because then there would be less left to steal
03:39:51 <MrMobodies> not much left of it to steal at the moment
03:40:06 <MrMobodies> well actually there must be some stealing going on still
03:40:15 <MrMobodies> with the national insurance that helps pay for it
03:40:16 <rust_collector> if you pay people more, there would be even less
03:40:54 <rust_collector> pay for the money the politicians and other scum steal?
03:41:03 <MrMobodies> quite right
03:41:10 <MrMobodies> what happend with Greensill
03:41:23 <MrMobodies> and they were all moonlighting from different parties
03:41:47 <MrMobodies> I read Tony Blair, David Cameron and Eric Pickles all met with the founder
03:41:52 <MrMobodies> to try and lend more to the NHS
03:42:05 <MrMobodies> using tax payer or government money
03:42:23 <MrMobodies> and they trying to persuade a Scottish NHS hospital in accepting loans they didn't need
03:42:43 <rust_collector> no, it is better to have overworked nurses running around until they quit, send the patients home, so they do nt have to pay to treat them
03:43:59 <MrMobodies> oh it's still going on
03:44:00 <MrMobodies> https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tycoon-fraud-probe-only-paid-27563181
03:44:01 <EEVBot> [url] Tycoon in fraud probe only paid £5 for Scottish Government backed smelting plan - Daily Record | www.dailyrecord.co.uk
03:48:10 <rust_collector> these days, I hope scotland leaves the union, but northern ireland wants to stay. that would be so great
03:50:26 <MrMobodies> with the removal of the GMO labelling I think they have enought justification
03:50:36 <MrMobodies> apparently they argued with Whitehall
03:50:50 <MrMobodies> seems Whitehall are doing the bullying and pushing for it
03:51:32 <MrMobodies> Waiting for my dinner
03:51:42 <MrMobodies> fish and chips
03:51:59 * rust_collector is eating the national dish
03:52:04 <rust_collector> almost done
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04:43:24 * electrohead beers rust_collector
04:43:57 <rust_collector> again?
04:44:39 <rust_collector> and I had just dried up from the last time
04:52:19 <electrohead> yes, again
04:52:23 <electrohead> !beer rust_collector
04:52:24 * EEVBot gets rust_collector annihilated
04:52:29 <electrohead> muah ha ha ha
04:52:55 <rust_collector> blup blup blup
04:53:07 <electrohead> !fart
04:53:07 * EEVBot unleashes the demons upon everyone
04:53:16 <rust_collector> oh, hello!
04:54:52 <electrohead> lol
04:55:00 <electrohead> I'm working on the car today
04:55:02 <electrohead> :D
04:55:16 <rust_collector> ssh! I am chatting with that red guy
04:55:38 <electrohead> the red guy?
04:56:00 <rust_collector> yes, he spawned here. smells a bit weird
04:56:42 <rust_collector> ok, so, car, mmhmm. what is the project?
04:59:02 <electrohead> just a few small things, plus going to have a go at getting a dent out of the trunk lid
04:59:12 <electrohead> autozone had a super awesome suction cup
04:59:16 <electrohead> so, bought that
04:59:39 * jaymax latches onto electrohead
04:59:47 <rust_collector> autozone. I thought that was a job for a hardware store, or plumber?
04:59:54 * electrohead sucks (off) jaymax
05:00:03 <electrohead> nah, for cars and such
05:00:08 <rust_collector> yeh
05:00:20 <electrohead> oh, ffs .. I priced an AC compressor for my car ...
05:00:26 <electrohead> they want fucking $580
05:00:29 <electrohead> >.<
05:00:34 <rust_collector> I popped out the door on the vifemobile with a toilet plunger.
05:01:03 <rust_collector> and who made that compressor?
05:03:58 <coppice> electrohead: and I bet it doesn't even come withe some refrigerant
05:04:33 <rust_collector> and they really should not
05:04:54 <electrohead> coppice: of course it doesn't
05:05:19 <rust_collector> but they do tend to come a bit overfilled with oil
05:05:32 <electrohead> my AC somewhat works; I think there's a leak internally with the compressor, and also the bearings may be going
05:06:10 <rust_collector> well, put a set of gauges on it, and see what it is doing?
05:07:01 <electrohead> well it *does* blow cold air, but it's barely cold
05:07:13 <rust_collector> yes, so figure out why
05:07:33 <electrohead> it also makes a sound when it first engages, and it sounds like the bearings are fucked for a good minute, but then goes away
05:07:57 <electrohead> I've already had the one line fixed
05:08:04 <rust_collector> it can be low on gas, sticky valves, worn out compressor, compressor clutch....
05:08:37 <electrohead> the clutch on it sounds a bit harsh from time to time too
05:08:52 <rust_collector> yeah, they can make some noise
05:09:23 <coppice> electrohead: is it a modern electric one, or a traditional very simple one?
05:09:41 <rust_collector> a very simple electric one
05:09:59 <electrohead> it's an '04 subaru WRX
05:10:07 <electrohead> so, want to say simple electric
05:10:51 <rust_collector> unless they did something special on the wrx, which I doubt, it is the usual electromagnet
05:13:32 <rust_collector> It can be just the clutch, they can get "sticky" and not engage properly
05:13:43 <rust_collector> they make noises
05:14:31 <electrohead> would that affect the temperature of the air, though?
05:14:38 <electrohead> I don't think it would
05:14:46 <electrohead> but, if you know more, please inform me
05:15:00 <rust_collector> if it does not spin the compressor as fast as it should, sure it can
05:15:16 <electrohead> that I can see, yeah
05:15:32 <LordGeir> electrohead: Have you had a service on the AC in recent years? Could be low or out on refr. gas
05:16:03 <LordGeir> But AC compressors are generally pretty pricy
05:16:16 <electrohead> had a leak fixed, and had the system fully recharged
05:16:22 <electrohead> actually, hrmm
05:16:32 <electrohead> I need to get a set of gauges
05:16:48 <electrohead> and double check the pressure, just to make sure there isn't another leak
05:16:49 <rust_collector> they can be sort of sensitive to the clearance in the clutch too, I THINK you can get a feeler gauge in them, that is a cheap thing to check, if nothing else
05:16:57 <electrohead> if there is, I swear I'll say something to my friend ..
05:17:05 <electrohead> yeah true
05:17:24 <electrohead> which I have a few feeler gauges in my metal working bins
05:17:25 <rust_collector> they use shims. but. if it is just worn out, it might be time for a compressor anyway
05:17:37 <rust_collector> maybe maybe
05:17:48 <electrohead> yeah would suck if I need a new one
05:18:08 <rust_collector> so, the one you got a price on, who made that?
05:18:50 <electrohead> the engine itself is essentially brand new; I had all the gaskets replaced, along with the timing belts, water pump, had the pistons double checked, and I applied the old tuning via the cobb accessport and made everything good to go
05:18:55 <electrohead> heh
05:18:59 <electrohead> fucking autozone
05:19:10 <electrohead> I may be able to find a local junkyard
05:19:14 <electrohead> still have to look
05:19:19 <rust_collector> autozone does not make compressors
05:19:43 <LordGeir> A former colleague of mine had an intermittent noise from the AC and asked me to "diagnose" it (by listening). We took a drive and just as we stopped, the sound showed up. It was 100% faulty compr. and I told him to price it out. Almost 10000kr to swap it put, parts and labor
05:19:44 <rust_collector> I saw rock auto has them a good bit cheaper, but they are not oem parts
05:20:16 <electrohead> LordGeir: ouch
05:20:59 <DHess_US> They aren't cheap, and after you change one you still need to recharge the system.
05:21:00 <LordGeir> And that was on a dirt cheap Opel (like the Vauxall)
05:21:07 <rust_collector> a used one can not cost much. get one from up north, where they don't use ac much
05:21:37 <electrohead> well my ass is in north carolina, it's hot as fuck in my area
05:21:47 <DHess_US> Probably not a good idea to get a used one with questionable seals.
05:21:59 <electrohead> I can replace it and recharge it no problem myself
05:22:08 <electrohead> just the price of the compressor itself though, wtf
05:22:13 <DHess_US> Aren't you suppose to also change the dryer?
05:22:22 <rust_collector> eeh, well.
05:22:48 <electrohead> I should invest in the tools and materials to check for leaks, myself
05:22:53 <electrohead> would make life easier, heh
05:22:59 <rust_collector> if it does not have metal chunks in it... yes, you are supposed to, probably, but I do not think most bother
05:23:07 <DHess_US> leaks aren't usually difficult to find because the leaking oil makes a mess.
05:23:28 <electrohead> DHess_US: well the first leak found, wasn't any oil whatsoever
05:23:38 <electrohead> was small enough, yet still was leaking
05:23:41 <rust_collector> they can be sneaky. put dye in it, when you have it refilled
05:24:21 <DHess_US> I think electric vehicles will have a real advantage for air conditioning because they can use a sealed compressor and fewer flexible lines.
05:24:43 <DHess_US> Like a refrigerator.
05:25:10 <DHess_US> hehe, I wonder if they use heat pumps. That almost makes sense.
05:25:35 <rust_collector> I don't think I have looked at the ac on an electric... I guess I should
05:27:34 <rust_collector> hmm, there is a guy wondering what benchmarks he should do, before and after upgrading a laptop. any suggestions?
05:27:41 <electrohead> well I had my buddy put dye in the system, and that's how we found that first leak.
05:27:48 <rust_collector> it is just doubling the ram
05:27:55 <electrohead> rust_collector: what OS?
05:28:01 <rust_collector> windows 10
05:28:56 <electrohead> hrmm
05:29:18 <electrohead> I first thought of cpu-z
05:29:26 <electrohead> but, not sure if that's a benchmark or not ?
05:29:42 <rust_collector> I do not speak windows, dunno?
05:30:07 <electrohead> https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
05:30:07 <DHess_US> cpu-z isn't a benchmark
05:30:07 <EEVBot> [url] CPU-Z | Softwares | CPUID | www.cpuid.com
05:30:16 <electrohead> DHess_US: ahh ok, yeah thanks
05:30:21 <rust_collector> he thinks 3dmark06, does that make sense?
05:30:25 <electrohead> I'm not a windows user
05:30:34 <DHess_US> If he only upgraded the RAM, then there shouldn't be much difference except on application benchmarks.
05:30:35 <rust_collector> not really me either
05:30:56 <rust_collector> ok, what is application benchmarks?
05:31:22 <electrohead> well at this point to think about it
05:31:22 <DHess_US> An application benchmark is one that simulates real world work, including making use of lots of RAM.
05:31:26 <electrohead> if only changing RAM
05:31:31 <electrohead> ehh, it's just RAM
05:31:48 <DHess_US> The only time RAM makes a difference is if more ram prevents paging out to disk.
05:31:52 <rust_collector> I have the same machine, and it got much snappier, by feel, when I put the second stick in, I believe, because it enables the second "channel"
05:32:00 <electrohead> as what DHess_US just said; it's just utilizing more RAM, that exists
05:32:11 <DHess_US> No, it was just having more RAM, and therefor more cached I/O.
05:32:20 <electrohead> yar
05:32:25 * electrohead rams DHess_US with beer
05:32:28 <rust_collector> ok.
05:32:34 <DHess_US> The performance difference for CPU performance just isn't that big.
05:32:42 <electrohead> DHess_US: you like IPA's at all?
05:32:49 <DHess_US> I mean it is there, but it isn't something you would normally notice.
05:33:04 <DHess_US> electrohead, I don't drink beer.
05:33:13 <DHess_US> And I always forget what IPA is.
05:33:48 <electrohead> ahh, ok ok. india pale ale
05:34:15 <electrohead> I do love me some tasty beers. nowadays, there are many different recipes and variants of IPA's
05:34:22 <DHess_US> I only drink alcohol with friends.
05:34:29 <DHess_US> And I never liked beer.
05:34:35 <electrohead> oh oh ... so we're not friends :(
05:34:38 * electrohead runs away
05:34:46 <electrohead> lol.
05:35:20 <rust_collector> best use of beer, is if it is in cans, shake them well, and pretend ther are hand grenades
05:35:44 <electrohead> nah just having a goof. some beers I love, others I hate
05:36:01 <steve30> i haven't had a beer for a long time
05:36:05 <electrohead> the hard alcohols like whiskey, etc, ehh I'm not a fan of
05:36:14 <rust_collector> i am not a huge fan of beer. but I tend to like the tasteless stuff, lol
05:36:33 <DHess_US> Oh, beer has its uses. I has high food value so would be good as a disaster food. I just don't like it.
05:36:34 <electrohead> rust_collector: well you said you'd try my home made beer, so .. win.
05:36:47 <rust_collector> yeah, I would
05:37:03 <electrohead> DHess_US: what all have you drank in the past?
05:37:29 <rust_collector> "yes"
05:38:18 <DHess_US> I like tequila.
05:39:02 <rust_collector> oooh, that is a sneaky one
05:43:43 <LordGeir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_WPcSGHgs
05:43:43 <EEVBot> [url] jim breuer about alcohol - YouTube | www.youtube.com
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05:44:38 <rust_collector> I should get some tequila, but I always forget
05:45:31 <rust_collector> but, I think it is weird, because some times, I can have a drink or 2 of that, and be "done" other times, I can have a bottle, and not really notice. it is a bit weird
05:47:08 <LordGeir> I was the same way (I quit drinking alcohol about 4 years ago, due to migraines); Some times I could take a couple of drinks and be well buzzed, other times I could finish off two bottles of Smirnoff 80 proof and be perfectly fine
05:47:57 <rust_collector> I have only had that with tequila.
05:48:09 <electrohead> DHess_US: heh, tequila is one drink I can't do, lol
05:48:35 <DHess_US> electrohead, some tequila is drinking tequila, and some should go in a margarita.
05:48:44 <LordGeir> Tequila (not the top shelf ones) all made me sick :/
05:50:23 <rust_collector> I think i will stay with my vodka for a bit longer
05:51:25 <LordGeir> Last drink I ever had, was Baccardi Razz with Pepsi Max
05:52:37 <rust_collector> I have not had a drink... uh, since a bit before you were here, lol
05:52:48 <LordGeir> :P
05:52:49 <rust_collector> I think I stopped around...9?
05:54:43 <rust_collector> this vacation stuff messes with my timer
06:01:12 <steve30> Its spot the steve30 time!
06:01:13 <steve30> https://rotherhamadvertiser.zenfolio.com/p930936768#h7d0fbe9
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06:06:21 <rust_collector> is it the one without a lumpy chest?
06:08:21 <electrohead> tequila and dark whiskeys just make me angry, unfortunately
06:08:32 <electrohead> learned the hard way, heh
06:08:55 <rust_collector> I am not into whiskey either. I just do not really like it much
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06:09:28 <Nothing\> man, i was reading about this proprietary ic package from TI last night but i can't remember what it was called now
06:09:35 <rust_collector> oh, there is that guy
06:09:41 <steve30> Nothing\, you missed the latest installment of "spot the steve30"
06:09:46 <Nothing\> it was basically just a die with solder bumps on it placed in a way that lets you probe them easily
06:09:48 <rust_collector> https://rotherhamadvertiser.zenfolio.com/p930936768#h7d0fbe9
06:09:50 <EEVBot> [url] Rotherham Advertiser/Regional Media Ltd | Women's Euros 2022 fan parties, Rotherham town centre | rotherhamadvertiser.zenfolio.com
06:09:55 <Nothing\> steve30, is that like where's wally?
06:10:01 <Nothing\> see that? i translated for you
06:10:02 <steve30> yup
06:10:04 <Nothing\> here it's called where's waldo
06:10:07 <Nothing\> if you didn't know
06:10:12 <rust_collector> without the striped shirt
06:10:18 <Nothing\> lol or the best one, teenage mutant hero turles
06:10:45 <Nothing\> and editing out every clip of michaelangelo's nunchuks
06:10:55 <Nothing\> because nunchuks are so much more threatening than a sword
06:11:17 <Nothing\> also i could be mistaken but i don't believe nunchuks were actually used as a martial arts weapon, were they?
06:11:57 <rust_collector> OI Nothing\ we are discussing important serious stuff here, ok?
06:12:10 <Nothing\> steve30, bottom right
06:12:16 <Nothing\> not sure which, but one of those guys
06:12:24 <Nothing\> one of the two
06:12:32 <steve30> The orange ones?
06:12:35 <Nothing\> i wanna say the younger ginger one
06:12:37 <Nothing\> steve30, yup
06:12:52 <Nothing\> holding the cup
06:12:52 <steve30> nope
06:12:55 <Nothing\> dangi
06:13:22 <Nothing\> okay then for sure you're the guy with the 13 on his shirt
06:13:51 <steve30> hehe, he's a bit old to be me]
06:13:52 <Nothing\> btw, here in Canada orange shirts are used to memorialize the genocide indigenous people
06:13:53 <rust_collector> heh
06:14:03 <Nothing\> lol steve30 i kid
06:14:18 <steve30> The oranges are Dutch football supporters
06:15:04 <rust_collector> well, mr 13 is not THAT old, is he?
06:15:10 <Nothing\> specifically the orange shirts, or orange signs are used to symbolize the thousands of children buried in unmarked graves at the residential schools they were kidnapped and forced to attend in order to westernize them
06:15:33 <Nothing\> actually the pope was just here this week to formally apologize for that
06:15:39 <rust_collector> heh
06:15:42 <Nothing\> amazingly he actually referred to it as a genocide
06:15:57 <Nothing\> like, it was the closest thing to a genuine apology i think that's come from that church
06:16:10 <Nothing\> and by genuine i mean truthful
06:16:15 <Nothing\> not genuine in intent
06:16:20 <Nothing\> that'll never happen
06:16:25 <rust_collector> so... still no steve?
06:16:36 <Nothing\> lol the guy in the emirates shirt?
06:16:47 <Nothing\> actually for a real guess...
06:17:35 <rust_collector> I thin it is that purple-blue guy, with no hair, and a red phone, in the back right, because the steve is always taking pictures
06:17:41 <rust_collector> heh
06:17:55 <Nothing\> i'd say... one of the two blokes in purple at the top, either the one on the far left with the pass or whatever hanging around his neck, or the younger one towards the middle who looks like he's rubbing his face with the backside of his hand. Skin's a bit darker complexion.
06:18:19 <rust_collector> they the other way
06:18:21 <Nothing\> those two guys and the two in orange are the only ones that really fit what i imagine steve would look like
06:18:28 <Nothing\> rust_collector, do what now?
06:18:37 <Nothing\> oh, other side
06:18:40 <rust_collector> not at the top
06:18:44 <steve30> The purples are at least locals
06:18:59 <Nothing\> front center with the woman on the stoop?
06:19:04 <Nothing\> ooh
06:19:12 <Nothing\> duh you're the guy with the big nerdy camera aren't you
06:19:18 <Nothing\> in the pink shirt right dead front
06:19:25 <steve30> :)
06:19:27 <Nothing\> haha
06:19:35 <Nothing\> i didn't even see you, i was so focused on everyone else
06:19:40 <rust_collector> hah
06:19:48 <Nothing\> nice shoes btw
06:19:55 <steve30> I thought this one would be easy :)
06:20:07 <Nothing\> i'm not one to admire shoes but damn those are sharp. I'd totally get a pair like that.
06:20:21 <rust_collector> it is hard to look for something just in front of you
06:20:24 <Nothing\> meanwhile i've bought the EXACT same pair of shoes from walmart 3 times in a row over the last like 15 years
06:20:42 <Nothing\> rust_collector, it can be hard to see the forest instead of the trees
06:20:45 <Nothing\> so to speak
06:20:54 <steve30> They are decent shoes. Could do wth a bigger size though :)
06:21:01 <Nothing\> it's a flaw of human nature that you really can't overocme unless somebody tells you
06:21:16 <rust_collector> I would say it is hard to find the leftover pizza in the fridge
06:21:53 <Nothing\> fffs there's a squirrel digging in my pots outside
06:22:07 <Nothing\> so far none of the pot pots but god help him if he touches any of those
06:22:11 <rust_collector> hmm, do you also have feet half a size bigger that you can usually find, unless you go for old man shoes?
06:22:25 <Nothing\> I'll nuke him with so many nicotine laced walnuts i'll kill his reincarnation
06:22:49 <Nothing\> lol it's funny that nicotine is my go-to pesticide
06:22:59 <Nothing\> nicotine for animals, salt+vinegar for plants
06:23:13 <Nothing\> which the salt and vinegar is pretty much just a defoliant but it works really well
06:23:40 <steve30> Nothing\, I started doing "spot the steve30" after a local paper published a reader-submitted photo of a crowd of people at a protest... with me stood prominently in front in an awkward camera holding pose
06:23:43 <Nothing\> except now i have a whole ton of these huge bush sized weeds that are dead and just big bundles of branches stuck in the ground. I dunno what to do with them
06:24:33 <steve30> rust_collector, I think my feet are relatively normal sized, although some shoes aren't the exact same sizes
06:24:34 <Nothing\> heh i think you look pretty pro. Except for how far your face is from the eyepiece. Can you even see anything from that distance?
06:25:11 <Nothing\> that's one reason i never liked wearing my glasses. Using anything with an eyepiece like binoculars or a microscope is super awkward and not very ideal because you can't put your eyes right to them.
06:25:14 <steve30> Yeah, its a 1.5" CRT with rather large magnifying glass in front
06:25:20 <rust_collector> I need shoes just a bit bigger than they have, always. nooo, we only have those in 46, or 47...
06:25:32 <rust_collector> then it ends
06:25:48 <steve30> Most viewfinders are terrible with glasses. These kinds though, are fine, as they are so big.
06:25:48 <Nothing\> steve30, oh dude that's awesome. I think it was an ancient EEVBlog where Dave tore down an old camcorder and took the CRT out of it. It was so tiny and cute.
06:26:30 <steve30> I have a couple of camcorders with 0.5" CRTs :)
06:26:30 <Nothing\> actually i just watched a good documentary yesterday from... some time in the 50's from RCA about manufacturing color TVs
06:27:05 <rust_collector> can you see much in a 13mm crt?
06:27:32 <steve30> rust_collector, my Shimano road bike shoes are 46, and my Shimano mountain bike shoes are 47.
06:28:13 <Nothing\> i'm really confused about CRTs and pixels though. I hear people say "CRTs didn't have pixels, they had lines" but I distinctly remember looking up close at a color TV as a kid (loved that smell of ozone) and seeing the individual pixels
06:28:17 <steve30> They were satisfactory for consumer camcorders in the 1990s compared to an equivalent lcd
06:28:22 <Nothing\> that was how i even learned how TVs work.
06:28:50 <Nothing\> steve30, i'm wondering how they miniaturized the electron gun and whatever technology, presumably electrostatic, that they used for beam deflection
06:29:12 <Nothing\> i'm guessing it used charged plates like the wee CRTs in scopes
06:29:46 <steve30> I think they are magnetic deflection but don't quote me on that
06:30:02 <Nothing\> it seems that would be the most likely candidate
06:30:15 <Nothing\> i wonder what benefits/drawbacks there are over using each type of technology over the other
06:30:23 <Nothing\> i wonder even more where i can find this out
06:30:52 <Nothing\> preferably without reading through several hundred pages of irrelevant material... man research musta sucked before search engines and databases
06:31:18 <steve30> Nothing\, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4JqEt3LIZg
06:31:18 <EEVBot> [url] Panasonic CRT Viewfinders - Teardown and Test - YouTube | www.youtube.com
06:31:26 <Nothing\> i never had much of a problem researching stuff for school because my parents bought me lots of books so i just used what i had around.
06:31:40 <Nothing\> i remember using a couple of books about space to write a report about Venus once
06:31:55 <Nothing\> steve30, ooh thanks
06:32:52 <Nothing\> i wish youtube would stop recommending crap to me after i tell it like a zillion times to stop recommending that channel
06:32:57 <Nothing\> like GreatScott
06:33:48 <Nothing\> and basically any other "popular" electronics channel like that
06:33:49 <rust_collector> awesomescott is much better
06:34:00 <Nothing\> rust_collector, not as good as Best Scott
06:34:11 <Nothing\> or Scott Free
06:34:12 <rust_collector> besterscott isnot bad
06:34:43 <Nothing\> besterscott just sounds like a weird german or dutch word
06:35:03 <rust_collector> sounds right
06:35:09 <Nothing\> besterschotz
06:35:59 <rust_collector> you need to watch more count dankula, so you can keep up with old news
06:42:15 * electrohead slaps Nothing\
06:42:48 * Nothing\ moans
06:42:51 <Nothing\> lol
06:42:52 * rust_collector puts tiny handcuffs on nothings toes
06:43:06 <Nothing\> lol my damn broken toe is still broken
06:43:13 <Nothing\> doctor told me it'd take 3 weeks to heal
06:43:16 <Nothing\> that was in december
06:43:22 <Nothing\> i still can't feel or move it
06:43:29 <rust_collector> maybe you have to re-break it
06:43:35 <Nothing\> well, i have maybe 10-15 degrees of motion
06:43:46 <rust_collector> not bad, imo
06:44:04 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i think so. I think something in the joint fused. Either that or there was tendon damage, I know that can cause similar issues.
06:44:17 <Nothing\> thank god it's not painful though. But yeah, it's just a toe so it's not the end of the world.
06:44:34 <Nothing\> and I've done enough physio that my foot is functional again as a 3rd hand
06:44:41 <rust_collector> yeah, you will live ok with that
06:44:54 <Nothing\> i use my feet as... i guess you'd call them ground-hands.
06:44:58 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj52BARFjGU
06:44:59 <EEVBot> [url] The Serbian Bottle Incident - YouTube | www.youtube.com
06:45:24 <rust_collector> special for the Nothing\
06:45:49 <Nothing\> like instead of bending over to pick something up, i pick it up in my toes and lift it up to my hands.
06:46:00 <Nothing\> or i use my feet to pick up garbage and put it in the bin
06:46:05 <Nothing\> also thanks? lol
06:46:11 <Nothing\> sounds like something about something paranormal
06:46:22 <Nothing\> usually anything called the blah blah incident is paranormal
06:46:30 <Nothing\> oh that reminds me lol
06:46:30 <rust_collector> nah
06:46:36 <Nothing\> apparently we're starting to name our heatwaves now
06:46:37 <rust_collector> not paranormal
06:46:49 <Nothing\> remember a few years ago when they tried to start naming winter storms
06:47:06 <Nothing\> first in the US, then the UK tried it and nobody gave a damn or remembers any of the names
06:47:13 <rust_collector> I just name wars, that is enough
06:47:24 <Nothing\> and now they're doing it with heatwaves. Which, you might as well just name the seasons... oh wait.
06:47:38 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i name names
06:48:16 <coppice> They should name heatwaves after some well known hotties
06:49:14 <Nothing\> lol i still like that one line from the news on the simpsons about how the heatwave broke the previous record which was set way back when the earth was a ball of molten rock
06:49:35 <Nothing\> wait a minute, that was 25 years ago... THE SIMPSONS PREDICTED THE FUTURE!!!
06:49:36 <Nothing\> lol
06:49:53 <Nothing\> how could they have possibly known we'd have heatwaves in the future?
06:49:59 <rust_collector> they just went back, and wrote it down
06:50:02 <Nothing\> and that they'd be BAD
06:50:28 <Nothing\> rust_collector, have you noticed any effects of climate change locally?
06:50:37 <rust_collector> they are not bad. radio said that we would be big winemakers, in some years
06:51:05 <rust_collector> not really much more than I can, because I am not ancient
06:51:34 <Nothing\> like here, we used to get our first snowfalls in October and our first accumulation on the ground in November, which primed us for a white Christmas almost every year. Now we don't get our first snow until some time in late November, and any little bits that accumulate in december end up melting the next day so we always have a green christmas now.
06:52:20 <Nothing\> meanwhile I remember back as kids, my brother and i would make snow forts out of the mounds at the end of the drive way that had tunnels to crawl through and stuff. Or we'd use our blue bins to build igloos.
06:52:24 <rust_collector> we had heaps of snow in the 80s, then around 2004(?) I think, but... if that has anything do do with anything, I do not know
06:52:39 <Nothing\> Now, even at the height of winter we barely have a foot of snow on the ground.
06:52:58 <rust_collector> grandpa said they had a load of snow, in, I think 1946
06:53:12 <Nothing\> yeah we still get dumped on from time to time
06:53:15 <rust_collector> just after the war anyway
06:53:52 <Nothing\> like i remember... maybe 15 years ago. There was a HUGE storm that dumped 100-150cm on one area literally overnight. Which happened to have the biggest, busiest highway in Ontario running through it.
06:54:09 <rust_collector> but, even he is just very close to 100, it is hard to say, when it comes to that stuff
06:54:36 <Nothing\> Even the snow plows got stuck. So they had to get the airforce in to airlift everybody out. Lol the truckers didn't want to leave because they were comfy in their cabins with a TV and DVD player and other creature comforts... until their fuel runs out.
06:55:05 <Nothing\> that was crazy though. Never seen a storm like that since the Montreal ice storm in the late 90's
06:55:22 <Nothing\> that's where the real damage is, ice storms. Nevermind blizzards.
06:55:46 <rust_collector> usually, a stuck plow is nto an issue, but the all the lanes full of people, so no plow can go anywhere anyway...that is an issue
06:55:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector, heh yeah i was thinking it's like that whole "i had to walk 10 miles both ways in waist deep snow every day to get to school"
06:56:03 <Nothing\> sorta stories
06:56:55 <Nothing\> rust_collector, not to mention the fact that the snowfall amount was higher than most of the cars trying to drive through it lol
06:57:15 <rust_collector> so, not much traffic then
06:57:32 <Nothing\> plenty of traffic. It's just snow instead of cars.
06:58:16 <rust_collector> if there is enough traffic, the snow gets shoved around.
06:58:59 <Nothing\> oh man i'm gonna play some donkey kong country 2
06:59:06 <Nothing\> best one of the series imo
06:59:40 <Nothing\> I'd love to see Nintendo even make an HD remake of the first 3 of those for the SNES. The pre-rendered 3D graphics would look nice.
06:59:56 <rust_collector> LordGeir someone made a video for you
07:00:02 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtiZ0CLiMF8
07:00:02 <EEVBot> [url] Shocking a car battery: will it explode? - YouTube | www.youtube.com
07:00:08 <Nothing\> heh i remember how groundbreaking the graphics style was at the time too. Pre-rendered 3D graphics in a console game were unheard of.
07:00:22 <Nothing\> shocking a car battery?
07:00:25 <Nothing\> what does that mean?
07:00:29 <Nothing\> shorting it out?
07:00:39 <rust_collector> no, shocking it
07:00:48 <Nothing\> when you say shocking something it usually implies you're applying a high voltage to it
07:00:54 <rust_collector> with a stun gun
07:00:56 <Nothing\> rust_collector, that's what i thought but it made little sense
07:00:58 <Nothing\> ah lol
07:01:01 <Nothing\> nevermind that
07:01:04 <Nothing\> use a neon transformer
07:01:07 <rust_collector> it does nto have to make sense!!!
07:01:37 <Nothing\> rust_collector, nope it does not. Ime the experiments I've done with no sense or reason tend to yield the most interesting/insightful results
07:02:44 <rust_collector> why a neon transformer?
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07:15:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector, high voltage
07:16:17 <rust_collector> welll...
07:16:25 <rust_collector> I can allow it for this time
07:16:30 <Nothing\> lol went back to playing my game in ffiv only to find i was in the middle of farming some items... for several hundred hours.
07:16:40 <Nothing\> i maxed out the in-game timer so i dunno how long it's been
07:16:48 <Nothing\> but steam says 360 hours
07:17:15 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol better than a microwave oven transformer
07:17:30 <rust_collector> farout forest 4 was good
07:17:40 <Nothing\> lol
07:17:42 <rust_collector> better and better...
07:17:48 <Nothing\> actually
07:17:53 <Nothing\> forbidden forest was a great game
07:17:55 <Nothing\> C64
07:18:09 <Nothing\> was a sort of 3rd person "on rails" shooter
07:18:58 <Nothing\> lol i remember as a young kid, maybe 3-5 for some reason the logo for the company that made the game scared me, Cosmi
07:19:14 <Nothing\> there was nothing special about it. It was just this weird digital looking swirl
07:19:40 <Nothing\> but in my mind it was like a hole or vortex that was going to suck me in i dunno
07:22:06 <rust_collector> it was....
07:22:56 <rust_collector> some day, you will fall down on the ground, like mr bean, and you will walk home, and not play games
07:23:37 <rust_collector> and, yes, you live in chile. I bet you did not expect that
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08:09:29 <steve30> i think i should go to bed
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09:49:24 <arch> does adding a layer of polypropylene conformal coating add noticeable capacitance between tracks?
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12:20:34 <DHess_US> arch, it has a small effect.
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17:15:12 <Halcyon> *room
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17:21:50 <DogWomble> well iḿ now on a new PC - so the tedious process of trying to set everything up again
17:22:11 <Halcyon> \o/
17:23:19 <DogWomble> i musst say - going to dual 27 inch monitors is a HUGE improvement over 21.5
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17:27:13 <dogwo> And of course installing the software I need for Citrix wants me to restart :P
17:29:57 <Halcyon> *shudders* at Shitrix
17:30:36 <dogwo> yeah not the hugest fan, butneed it for when Iḿ WFH
17:30:56 Nick: dogwo is now known as DogWomble
17:43:11 <Halcyon> I'm surprised you didn't make your alt nick something hipster like "dgwmbl"
17:43:27 <Halcyon> Isn't that what's "in" these days for tech startups and such
17:47:12 <DogWomble> something liek that :)
17:48:58 <steve30> hi
17:51:56 <Halcyon> Hello Steve
17:56:23 <K> hello elevators
17:57:38 <Halcyon> Hello lift
17:58:04 <steve30> should i try and go to the gym today?
17:58:08 <K> yes
17:58:28 <K> otherwise you will not be able to lift that huge camera
17:58:43 <K> you konw, the big one
17:58:53 <Halcyon> I think the answer is always yes steve30
17:59:01 <Halcyon> I'll stay here and keep the seat warm
17:59:42 <K> eew.
17:59:49 <Halcyon> What?
17:59:57 <K> warm seats
18:00:09 <Halcyon> But I have a nice butt
18:00:15 <Halcyon> It's not weird stranger butt
18:00:24 <steve30> i haven't really managed to go to the gym as i've been really tired
18:00:47 <Halcyon> Oooh... as I got off the train today, I smelled Jasmine in the air
18:00:54 <Halcyon> That means it's warming upppp :-D
18:02:18 * Halcyon runs around and slaps Ampera and electrohead in the process
18:12:26 <DogWomble> and you know what it warming up means?
18:12:31 <DogWomble> a few months of hell for hayfever sufferers
18:13:08 <Halcyon> It must suck, but I am so over the cold, so forgive me if it seems harsh that I don't really care :P
19:29:24 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
20:27:30 <Ampera> you cold, uncaring brute!
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21:24:12 * Halcyon kisses Ampera
21:25:29 <rust_collector> TA DAA!!!
21:28:15 * electrohead slaps Ampera with Halcyon
21:30:23 * Halcyon licks rust_collector
21:34:06 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
21:34:10 * Ampera stabs electrohead
21:34:16 * Ampera runs rust_collector over with a lada
21:34:41 <Halcyon> YAY! I gets the love
21:35:43 <electrohead> lol
21:35:49 <electrohead> yooo
21:36:13 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon and electrohead
21:36:24 <Halcyon> I'm doing well, how are you Ampera?
21:36:34 <Ampera> more tired than an 18 wheeler
21:37:16 <Halcyon> Whyyyy?
21:37:25 <Ampera> udj
21:37:28 <Ampera> er, idk
21:37:34 <Ampera> this sems like a question I should be asking
21:37:45 <electrohead> good here, just waking up and all that stuff
21:37:46 <Ampera> tea hasn't kicked in yet
21:38:01 <Halcyon> Well ordinarily I would ask if you were up playing with yourself all night, but that's not true
21:38:22 <Ampera> I was up playing with my server, but I went to bed at a semi-normal hour
21:40:07 <Ampera> I managed to get my site back up
21:40:32 <Halcyon> That's something
21:40:40 <Ampera> smf was being a whore and exploded itself because I had changed 1 character in the path to its root
21:40:41 <electrohead> there you go
21:40:48 <electrohead> lol
21:40:50 <Halcyon> Rude
21:41:05 <Halcyon> Speaking of exploding all over.... electrohead how you going?
21:41:26 <Ampera> most of my services are back up now. Only a couple sites left, and then I need to clean up, do a few remaining things, and then get to writing backup scripts
21:41:30 <Ampera> for all of my devices
21:41:48 <electrohead> good, I got the dent out of my trunk, but because it's been there for a while, now there are a few stress points in the metal. I'll give it a few days, and will see what I can do
21:42:10 <Halcyon> Put a sticker over it?
21:42:22 <Halcyon> Hack the planet (or similar))
21:42:40 <rust_collector> apple stickers. hmm, why is my arm sticky?
21:43:02 <electrohead> ew, I hate stickers on cars
21:43:14 <rust_collector> they add too much power
21:43:31 * Ampera places a jesus fish sticker on electrohead's WRX
21:43:40 <Ampera> that's oughta convert a few tailgaters
21:44:08 * electrohead punches Ampera
21:44:18 <electrohead> stickers and religion? fuck that
21:44:38 <rust_collector> Ok, so... if I just stick a fish to it?
21:44:40 <Halcyon> Bahahah jesus fish. Do people do that anymore?
21:44:45 <rust_collector> they do
21:44:51 <Halcyon> Really?
21:44:54 <rust_collector> I see it all the time here
21:45:01 <Halcyon> Religion is stupid
21:45:13 <Halcyon> (I make no apologies for that personal comment)
21:45:16 <Ampera> the notion that religion is stupid is, in and of itself, a religion
21:45:36 <Halcyon> What no?
21:45:55 <Halcyon> I worship nothing/no one
21:46:09 <Halcyon> Disagreeing with religion doesn't equal religion
21:46:32 <rust_collector> but you can make it one
21:47:00 <rust_collector> the high priest of those who do not like religion church. that is a nice title
21:47:00 <Halcyon> I think the church of the flying spaghetti monster did that
21:47:51 <electrohead> heh
21:47:56 <rust_collector> pastafarians are dead serious... dont even try....lol
21:49:35 <Halcyon> Maybe I should put that on my next tax return
21:49:40 <Ampera> I like satanists beacuse it makes little old stupid people think you're going to eat their children
21:50:04 <Halcyon> Although "high priest" is not a recognised title here
21:51:34 <rust_collector> that has to be up to the church, no?
21:53:29 <Halcyon> Legally, I can be Ms. Miss, Mrs., Mr. or nothing.
21:54:06 <Halcyon> I think Dr. is also acceptable
21:54:41 Quit: DogWomble ([email protected]) EOF from client
21:55:54 * Halcyon slaps electrohead
21:57:06 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you have a doctorate?
21:57:20 <Halcyon> I do not. So therefore, that wouldn't be legal.
21:57:27 <rust_collector> dr nothing, high priest of
21:57:27 <Ampera> >.>
21:57:50 <Ampera> why do women get so many options and men only get the one >.>
21:58:11 <electrohead> lol
21:58:13 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gMkiOPSeA
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21:58:15 <Halcyon> I do hover have Post Nominals after my name
21:58:26 <Ampera> oh sorry to hear about that, hope they get better, Halcyon
21:58:35 <Halcyon> There is a cream for that
21:58:46 <Ampera> hot compress always helps
21:58:48 <rust_collector> is it tasty?
21:59:00 <Ampera> rust_collector, it is as tasty as sour cream mixed with whipped cream
21:59:08 <Halcyon> Mmmm
21:59:12 <Halcyon> Creamy
21:59:16 <Ampera> hrm, I should make stroganov
21:59:22 <rust_collector> that is not bad
21:59:25 <Halcyon> With lots of shrooms
21:59:41 <Ampera> and egg noodles
21:59:46 <Ampera> I like me some egg noodles
21:59:49 <Halcyon> So good
22:00:11 <Ampera> maybe I will go to the store and get the ingredients for that
22:00:27 <Ampera> after I do all this "work" stuff
22:02:30 <Ampera> I should make more pots of things
22:02:45 <Ampera> I keep coming home with nothing ready to eat, and no energy to make anything
22:03:01 <Ampera> and maybe some enchiladas at some point, I haven't had any in a while
22:03:11 <Ampera> enchilada sauce is actually near unobtanium here (in a can anyways)
22:03:35 <Ampera> there is only one store I know that even sells it. It's bizarre, it used to be as staple as taco seasoning
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22:04:51 <Halcyon> I should go to bed
22:05:10 <Ampera> :o
22:05:20 <Ampera> baldercrap, stay up forever and become a zombie
22:05:29 <dogwo> sleep is for the weak
22:05:34 <dogwo> speaking of which, i'm probably nto that far off myself
22:05:43 <Ampera> you australians and your broken clocks
22:05:45 <Ampera> and broken skies
22:05:53 <Ampera> that have not-normal hours
22:05:59 <dogwo> and our broken internet
22:07:45 <Ampera> do you guys still not have working internet?
22:07:52 <Ampera> I thought they started installing real fiber places
22:07:57 <Ampera> it's not like australia is big or anything
22:08:31 <dogwo> it will happe eventually
22:36:31 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/WinStupidPrizes/comments/wegg3j/pouring_alcohol_on_fire/
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22:48:32 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUgD_beyvk0
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23:08:17 <steve30> I managed to spend an hour in the gym
23:08:23 <Ampera> nice
23:08:32 <Ampera> was it exercising or checking out the produce?
23:11:07 <MrMobodies> Hello
23:11:37 <Ampera> hello MrMobodies how are you doing
23:11:46 <MrMobodies> a little tired
23:11:54 <MrMobodies> it is hot and humuid
23:12:12 <Ampera> It's fairly cool and dry over here
23:13:26 <MrMobodies> I am just hoping for one of those days about when it rains when I feel like someone switch the air conditioning on
23:13:42 <MrMobodies> that happened last year, in one day where it was 35c
23:13:54 <MrMobodies> the next day was so cold I see some put their jackets on
23:14:02 <MrMobodies> and it was all cloudy for the day
23:14:21 <MrMobodies> I think it was 16 to 18c which was a big contrast for those few days
23:14:49 <MrMobodies> quite a lot of the grass around my village is turning brown
23:15:08 <MrMobodies> and there is already a hose pipe ban in certain parts of the country
23:18:16 <MrMobodies> well time to get some work down outside
23:18:54 <MrMobodies> a box full of old logs is falling apart and the roof needs sorting out
23:19:04 <Ampera> sounds like good work
23:22:19 <steve30> There wasn't much to 'check out' unfortunately
23:22:35 <Ampera> That's a shame. People allergic to the gym?
23:22:37 <K> only scantily clad chicks?
23:22:51 * Ampera attacks K with a yam
23:23:24 <K> keep your heretical devil-potato away fro mme
23:23:36 * Ampera throws a parsnip at K
23:23:46 <K> parsnip is acceptable, in moderation
23:23:51 * steve30 needs coffee
23:23:52 <K> a thank.
23:24:25 * Ampera gets bored and throws (slides) a plate of fresh homemade stroganov on egg noodles at K
23:24:48 <K> mmmmmmnnnope, that wold be a nega-tory
23:24:54 <Ampera> whaaaaa
23:24:57 <Ampera> what's wrong with stroganov
23:24:58 <K> strogonov goes w potat
23:25:01 <Ampera> >.>
23:25:08 <Ampera> no u
23:25:10 <K> noodle go into soup, or with micnemeat
23:25:20 * Ampera pours more water into stroganov
23:25:23 <Ampera> there, now it's stroganov soup
23:25:34 <K> weird and unusual
23:25:42 <Ampera> that's my middle and last name
23:25:52 <Ampera> Ampera Weird Unusual
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23:26:14 <K> that would explain things.
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23:31:38 <electrohead> yo I officially had it, with the fucking veteran's association
23:31:51 <Ampera> I thought you had it with them ages ago
23:31:54 <Ampera> goddamn you're patient
23:32:06 <electrohead> yeah I thought so too
23:32:13 <electrohead> but they called again about my address
23:32:38 <electrohead> I'm about to waste money on gas, just to drive up to my old hometown, and slap the shit out of everyone there
23:32:40 <Ampera> No wonder so many veterans end up becoming domestic abusers, when the VA treats them like a bitch
23:32:51 <electrohead> heh
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