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01:00 <Nero_wrk> anyho, apples and oranges
01:52 <Ampera> anyways, cost of living here is, in fact, less :P
02:11 <Nero_wrk> yes
02:55 <electrohead> o/
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23:44 <rust1> going to the dump, is probably the cheapest thing we have up here
30:20 Nick: weissbier1 is now known as weissbier
34:58 <K> what did ya get?
35:18 <rust1> rid of cardboard and metal?
35:27 <Ampera> you threw out free fuel????
35:43 <rust1> fuel is cheap here.
35:45 <K> and brought nothing back?
35:48 <K> weak
37:18 <rust1> that is the annoying thing. you do not get stuff out of this place, because "recycling" is much better than reusing?
41:18 <K> cocks.
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03:06 <Nothing\> man, i didn't realize mike tyson went to prison for rape in the 90's
03:38 <Nothing\> i mean i knew he went to prison and his career went to hell, thanks to Nintendo pulling his name out of the Punchout franchise. Which, man can you imagine the royalties he'd be getting now if that didn't happen?
03:51 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
03:53 <Ampera> how are you do?
04:00 <Nothing\> there haven't been a lot of punchout games, but punchout's been referenced in other nintendo franchises like smash bros
04:03 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
04:05 <Nothing\> ehh
04:09 <Nothing\> rough morning
04:13 <Nothing\> no poop :/
04:25 <Nothing\> forgot my lactulose, then i had to go to the clinic, so no time to even TRY to poop
04:31 * Ampera squeezes Nothing\ until he pops like a bit shit filled zit
04:35 <Ampera> *big
04:47 <Nothing\> and i take an observed dose of mehtadone at the clinic, so by the time i get back it's kicked in and i'm already blocked up
05:25 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol i had a neighbour once who i didn't know that well. But one night i wound up at his place when we were both drunk, smoking weed with him. He was like twice my age, real old and skeevy looking guy.
05:39 <Nothing\> but he told me he has to squeeze his cat over the litter box to make it go pee
05:46 <Nothing\> like a tube of toothpaste or something i dunno
05:58 <Ampera> Now if that's not love for your pet, I don't know what is :D
06:01 <Nothing\> i woulda been apalled if it sounded realistic
06:20 <Ampera> I don't see the big deal
06:29 <Ampera> All it means is that him and his cat are gonna win any water gun fight
06:30 <Nothing\> i'm not you
06:35 <Nothing\> lol
06:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, is that what you called them when you were a kid?
06:52 <Nothing\> we always called them sword fights
07:37 <Nothing\> man, i need some new EE stuff to learn about. It seems like i've learned all the practical stuff i can with RLC circuits
07:42 <Nothing\> at least in terms of the formulas
07:51 <Ampera> sword fights?
07:52 <Nothing\> i can't count how many RLC circuits i've analyzed
07:56 <Ampera> how is a water gun a sword
08:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, when it's erect
08:33 <Nothing\> seriously though, when i was like <6 my friends and i used to all stand around the toilet and pee in it at the same time
09:00 <Nothing\> or for some reason my best friend i grew up with until i was in my mid teens, we always had to piss together when one of us pissed on a wall. It was like an event.
09:17 <Nothing\> we'd stand side by side, just short of holding hands and just let at it
10:19 <Nothing\> we were kinda weird like that
10:32 <Nothing\> man, i need a new RPG or roguelike/roguelite to play
10:35 <Nothing\> or something i dunno
10:48 <Nothing\> i spent all day yesterday feeling idle because i couldn't find a damn game to play
11:31 <Nothing\> oh yeah i forgot there was a book i found that i felt was important enough to put in with the games i'm playing currently. A sort of folder of makeshift bookmarks for things on my computer. I wonder what it was...
11:44 <Nothing\> oh that's right, it was an EE book about transistor physics
12:25 <Nothing\> for some reason even though i've spent 2-3 years off and on trying to understand how to analyze even simple DC transistor circuits, I can't for the life of me understand how to analyze them.
13:14 <Kuschelpony> nothing, do you have specific points where you dont undersstand something?
13:28 <Nothing\> I can sort of understand how to analyze a saturated transistor switch, whatever type of amp that's called... common collector? But it requires knowing the beta and everything I've read says any circuit that depends on the beta of a transistor is a bad circuit. So I feel like any formula involving beta isn't meant to be quantitative
13:45 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, tbh i think i just need to brush up on my DC analysis. Node/mesh analysis.
13:53 <Kuschelpony> mmmh, right
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13:58 <Nothing\> i never learned them properly and i feel like that's what's holding me back
14:07 <Kuschelpony> i also think so
14:10 <Nothing\> but at the same time
14:15 <Nothing\> like
14:42 <Kuschelpony> the most basic skill you need is to see the places where you can "cut" circuits into parts that can be independy calculated
14:45 <Nothing\> besides the Vbe, I can't figure out anything else. But I guess it depends on the type of amp you're making.
14:58 <Nothing\> i hope you know which one i mean by transistor switch
15:04 <Nothing\> running at saturation
15:13 <Nothing\> with the output from the collector
15:39 <Nothing\> but yeah, i know the Vbe is usually just a standard PN junction voltage drop
15:54 <Nothing\> but beyond that, and the beta, and alpha, i'm lost
16:20 <Nothing\> and i'm not even sure what use the alpha is. Though maybe it'd come back to me if i read up on it again. It's been a bit since I've given it a solid chance.
16:24 <Ampera> Nothing\, you'll be proud of me, I am listening to Canadian music!
16:32 <Nothing\> Ampera, bare naked ladies?
16:43 <Nothing\> they're the only famous canadian band i know of
16:51 <Ampera> Gordon Lightfoot
16:58 <Nothing\> ah right on. I've heard of him.
17:06 <jaymax> Lol
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17:14 <Ampera> oh no
17:17 <Ampera> we have attracted the other canadian
17:25 * Ampera throws vermont maple syrup at jaymax 
17:28 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ah so like finding the thevenin/norton equivalents in the circuit you mean?
17:35 <Nothing\> re: cutting them up into smaller circuits
17:44 * jaymax crushes Nothing\ with Stompin' Tom Connors
17:55 <Nothing\> lol jaymax i remember him
18:01 <Nothing\> here's one for you jaymax
18:08 <Kuschelpony> i meant like as you mentioned the saturated switch, that the colelctor current is independ of the base current
18:09 <jaymax> Adds Tragically Hip for good measure
18:09 <Nothing\> Sharon Lois and Bram
18:13 <Nothing\> remember them?
18:19 <Nothing\> the original canadian musical group
18:21 <jaymax> Yuck
18:23 <Nothing\> haha
18:25 <jaymax> Lies
18:33 <Nothing\> SKIN MY WRINKLY DINKY DINKY SKIN MY WRINKLY POO
18:35 <Nothing\> I
18:36 <Nothing\> LOVE
18:37 <Nothing\> YOU!
19:09 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, is it?
19:17 <Nothing\> i thought the collector current depended on the beta
19:24 <Kuschelpony> not always
19:35 <Nothing\> that the collector current was equal to beta times Ib
19:47 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, well i just mean in the case of this circuit
19:48 * jaymax unloads the Skinny Puppy on that fucking elephant
19:58 <Nothing\> lemme show a diagram of the circuit just to eliminate any ambiguities
20:01 <Kuschelpony> thats rthe definition of saturation - that the transistor gets more base current than needed, so the collector current is only depend of external resistance
20:18 <Nothing\> i'm sure you know what i'm talking about but it never hurts
20:44 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/2adu7dz3
20:46 <jaymax> How TF can you even forget Rush Nothing\ ?
20:54 <Nothing\> jaymax, oh shit dude
21:01 <Nothing\> they're the best of the canadians imo
21:06 <rust1> maybe he does not like squeaky sounds that much?
21:07 <Nothing\> YYZ, best drum solo EVER
21:19 <Nothing\> rust1, actually i can't listen to music tbh
21:25 <Nothing\> i enjoy it. But I can't listen to it.
21:30 <Nothing\> at least not without consequences
21:39 <rust1> we know.
21:45 <Nothing\> no you don't
21:46 <rust1> eeeeee macarena
21:48 <Nothing\> you know Nothing\
21:54 <rust1> exactly
22:02 <Nothing\> lol rust1 i was just thinking of that song the other day
22:06 <Nothing\> oh no wait
22:07 <rust1> and he told us
22:09 <Nothing\> it was mambo number 5
22:35 <Nothing\> i was replacing the lyrics to talk about the various ways i'd like to go to the bathroom
22:36 <Nothing\> lol
22:44 Quit: DogWomble ([email protected]) EOF from client
23:01 <Nothing\> whereas R Kelly changed the lyrics to talk about all the people he wanted to go to the bathroom ON
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23:10 <Nothing\> (sorry i couldn't help myself lol)
23:19 <rust1> I posted the text to totos africa, with africa replaced with antarctica. it was sort of popular
23:39 <Nothing\> i bless the rains in antarcticaaaaaa
23:45 <Nothing\> hey yeah that works
24:05 <Nothing\> actually apparently the arctic/antarctic are experiencing pretty severe heatwaves
24:13 <Nothing\> compared to what's normal for them i mean
24:18 <rust1> the things when you try to learn vi
24:45 <Nothing\> a few wees ago i read an article about how the temperatures in some areas were 30-40 degrees C above normal
24:53 <Nothing\> or maybe i was half asleep
25:12 <Nothing\> i always read my news first thing when i wake up when i'm pooping, or trying to.
25:22 <Nothing\> oh sure, NOW My anxiety meds kick in
25:25 <Nothing\> ffs
25:50 <Nothing\> i took them 90 mins before i went to the clinic and didn't feel a thing the whole time there and on the ride back etc
25:59 <Nothing\> now, like 2.5 hours later i'm finally feeling it
26:29 <Nothing\> i'm lucky, i was going to take extra
26:43 <Nothing\> oh rust1 my mum wanted me to say thanks to you for her
26:54 <Nothing\> for advocating for her. Pushing me to do nice things for her etc.
27:14 <Nothing\> i told her how you do that and it made her feel nice to know a complete stranger in Norway cares about her that much
27:21 <Nothing\> so, thanks man. From both of us.
27:22 <rust1> eh? oh, well, that is just because you need a reminder.
27:29 <Nothing\> oh i know
27:42 <Nothing\> and i do need reminders. I appreciate every one, however relevant.
28:11 <Nothing\> being generous or kind has never actually come naturally to me. It's something i have to consciously make myself do for some reason.
28:24 Quit: DogWomble ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
28:45 <Nothing\> So unless I'm consciously thinking about it, I'll tend to forget to say or do nice things. I'm not a dick or anything, I just forget to express gratitude or feel grateful etc.
31:14 <Nero_wrk> I got a new laptop from work, an HP Z-book
31:21 <Nero_wrk> Horribly big, 15 inch
31:34 <Nero_wrk> and the keyboard, it feels nice to type, but I seem to type so much more mistakes than I'm used to
31:39 <Nero_wrk> does have a clit mouse so that is nice
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32:18 <Nero_wrk> most typos being letters in the wrong order so I guess it is just that I'm not used to it's travel and so my keystrokes become out of sync
32:18 <Nothing\> hey heya Nero_wrk
32:24 <Nothing\> haven't seen you in here in a looong time
32:32 <Nothing\> how've you been?
32:48 <Nothing\> 15in is big for a laptop?
32:50 <Nero_wrk> Good good, wrapping up my PhD, typing the thesis, doing post-phd work already
32:52 <Nero_wrk> to me it is
32:53 <Nothing\> must be a weird laptop
33:04 <Nero_wrk> I like my laptops small, I like my laptops like 13 inch or below
33:26 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, still working on that huh? That's good to hear you're just about done with it. What was your thesis on again? I know you were working with either THZ or MM wave tech.
33:30 <Nero_wrk> makes em super portable, and at the office you smac 'em in a dock with external monitors and keyboard and mouse anyways
33:32 <Nothing\> but I'm not sure in what capacity
33:45 <Nero_wrk> I'm indeed working on mmwave tech
33:53 <Nothing\> ah right on
34:05 <Nothing\> i take it you're familiar with the channel the signal state?
34:12 <Nothing\> or was it path?
34:13 <Nero_wrk> signal state?
34:17 <Nero_wrk> ah signal path I know yes
34:22 <Nero_wrk> Shahriar
34:34 <Nero_wrk> I've met him a few times and my work was even featured on it at one point
34:53 <Nothing\> my bad, it's the signal path
34:58 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/c/Thesignalpath/videos
34:58 <EEVBot> [url] The Signal Path - YouTube | www.youtube.com
35:03 <Nero_wrk> yep
35:12 <Nothing\> hehe i figured you would be familiar
35:22 <Nothing\> but yeah, i was confusing the name for a programming puzzle game
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36:19 * LordGeir Feels tired and body is aching...
36:27 <Nero_wrk> If I were to choose the perfect office laptop, it would be something like a small surface laptop 13" or so
36:47 <Nero_wrk> or my girlfriend has I think 12 or even 11" lenovo's from her workplace
36:51 <Nothing\> man Nero_wrk something i read the other day gave me a whole new respect for you guys. I read about how a 1ghz signal can't reliable transmit more than 10cm because it takes a billionth of a second for even light to travel that far. Nevermind electric signals.
37:05 <Nothing\> I didn't realize the distance limitations were so strict at high speeds.
37:18 <Nothing\> it seems there would be a lot of necessity for miniaturization
37:21 <LordGeir> My main work station is a 2021 MacBook Pro 16 M1 Pro 16GB / 512GB
37:32 <LordGeir> This thing is the best computer I've ever had!
37:55 <Nothing\> heh i never had a need for a laptop. But the last one I used, the battery crapped out after like 2 or 3 years so bad that it wouldn't even work unless it was plugged in.
38:17 <Nothing\> LordGeir, my present computer is by far the best. I'm just not happy with the case at all.
38:30 <Nero_wrk> Nothing\: we run into such issues with pcb structures and so on, where a via quickly becomes as long as a wavelength on regular PCBs
38:33 <Nothing\> lemme see if i've got one of those janky scripts to flex my computer's stats in the channel
38:47 <Nothing\> eh screwt
39:09 <Nero_wrk> I also never needed a laptop, until I completly switched my workflow to using remote servers for heavy lifting
39:21 <LordGeir> The sickest battery I've ever experienced was on my 2013 MacBook Air. I bought it brand new in 2013 and had the same battery until I swapped it a couple of weeks ago.
39:33 <LordGeir> Battery health was still 94.5%!
40:04 <Nero_wrk> I do some basic matlab, word, email, pcb design, programing on my laptop. Everything that is real design or simulation or heavy on calculations is handed over to big bazzilion-core servers with literally terabytes or RAM
40:07 <Nothing\> it's a ryzen 5 3600 at 4.4ghz with 6 cores and 12... oh i forget what they're called but they're not cores but they're considered the same as a core for some reason.
40:15 <Nothing\> hopefully you know what i'm talking about
40:36 <LordGeir> Nothing\ I never thought I'd like and certainly not use a Mac, but since my entry to personal Mac with the 2013 Air, I've been sold
40:37 <Nero_wrk> yeah I get the idea
40:39 <Nothing\> and for video i have an Nvidia 1660ti
40:50 <Nothing\> and a 1tb ssd
40:55 <Nothing\> but the problem is the case is garbage
40:57 <Nero_wrk> LordGeir: yeah, that is the one thing Ireally miss on my surface laptop, the battery life
41:26 <Nothing\> the PSU blocks every single expansion port on my board, and there are 0 drive bays of ANY size. So I have absolutely no options for expansion.
41:27 <Nero_wrk> my ex used apple laptops her whole life and she could litterally work from home and not even realize she forgot her charger at work
41:28 <LordGeir> I'm a IT tech by trade, so I'm well versed. 6 Cores and 12 Threads ;=
41:55 <Nothing\> to put an extra regular HDD in it, I had to shove it under my SSD into the little hollow box the SSD sits in/on
42:09 <Nothing\> which was crammed full of cables so now those are all flapping in the breeze
42:22 <Nothing\> not the best set up but at least i got it to work
42:25 <LordGeir> Hey; If it works, it works!
42:29 <Nothing\> exactly lol
42:43 <Nothing\> i'm just pissed off that i can't install even a PCI SSD
43:02 <Nero_wrk> this is one of the things I'm a bit excited about in starting up my own company, is setting up some of this IT stuff, making those choices
43:12 <LordGeir> I bought an "unusable crappy 2011 MacBook Pro" (as the seller said) for ~$50
43:16 <Nothing\> unless i buy a new case. Which I wouldn't be averse to except for the pain in the ass of moving a computer from one case to another. ESsentially having to completely dismantle and remantle it.
43:17 <Nero_wrk> though I figure seeing the pricetag of those servers will make me change my mind
43:34 <Nothing\> lol speaking of servers
44:05 <LordGeir> Changed from 4GB RAM to 16 and the 480GB HDD to 480GB SSD, and I'm running Catalina (courtesy dosdude1) flawlessly
44:07 <Nothing\> this his gotta be the most ridiculous amazon posting i've ever seen
44:09 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.ca/EPYC-7742-Tetrahexaconta-core-Core-Processor/dp/B07XGB7S36
44:09 <EEVBot> [url] AMD EPYC (2nd Gen) 7742 Tetrahexaconta-core (64 Core) 2.25 GHz Processor - Retail Pack - 256 MB Cache - 3.40 GHz Overclocking Speed - 7 nm - Socket SP3-225 W - 128 Threads : Amazon.ca: Electronics | www.amazon.ca
44:22 <Nothing\> it's even more sad that somebody actually bought one
44:44 <Nothing\> and from thei review it sounds like they wound up spending twice as much to rectify the many issues it had
45:13 <Nero_wrk> wait what is so sad about it
45:40 <Nothing\> just how shifty it is to buy such an expensive and high quality item on amazon instead of from a more reputable dealer
45:41 <LordGeir> That's the thing if you willy-nilly buy random stuff because it sounds nice, without really knowing what it is and what it needs
45:49 <Nothing\> ^ that
45:59 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, it'd be like buying a server on ali-express
46:13 <LordGeir> I have had more people with issues like that, then I can count
46:14 <Nero_wrk> depends
46:18 <Nothing\> sure it's cheaper, but nothing about it will be genuine, or work as it should.
46:24 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, it really is a craps shoot.
46:31 <Nero_wrk> really? I have never had issues with amazon
46:46 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, but even buying ICs. A lot of the ones I got an aliexpress were counterfeit.
46:51 <Nero_wrk> sure
47:04 <Nothing\> most notably my 74HC595s where the TI logo is a picture of the united states, instead of texas
47:07 <Nero_wrk> but I don't know if this thing will necessaraly be counterfeit, and sometimes I guess stuff needs to go fast
47:07 <Nothing\> lol
47:20 <Nothing\> like the counterfeiters didn't know the difference between texas and the US
47:26 <Nothing\> "a blob's a blob"
47:35 <Nothing\> which is about what it looks like on the counterfeits
48:07 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, well the buyer reported that it didn't work with a board it was supposed to and he wound up having to buy a specific board just so he'd have something to use it with
48:19 <Nothing\> even though he already had a board it should have worked on
48:27 <Nothing\> but at the same time, it could be user error for all we know.
48:39 <Nothing\> people complain about things on amazon a lot when it's their fault.
48:53 <Nothing\> not willing to take responsibility
48:58 <Nothing\> i guess?
49:00 <Nero_wrk> I'm always sceptical for very negative reviews
49:10 <Nothing\> yeah i take them with a grain of salt
49:13 <Nero_wrk> the reviews I 'care' about are generally the 2-3 star ones
49:23 <Nothing\> especially of restaurants and establishments like that
49:27 <Nero_wrk> people with 1 star usually just means they fucked up or didntknow what they were buying
49:44 <Nothing\> you never know if somebody's got an axe to grind because of a perceived but spurious indiscretion
49:56 <Nero_wrk> eg "I bought this box of warhammer models for my son's birthday but turns out you need to assemble them yourself and they aren't even painted and don't come with glue, absolute rip-off'
50:08 <Nothing\> lol Nero_wrk
50:13 <Nero_wrk> (I have legit seen such reviews)
50:16 <Nothing\> yeah taht's about it
50:36 <Nothing\> but let's face it, it's a service geared towards privileged white people
50:45 <Nothing\> so it's only natural those are the sorts of comments you'd get about it
50:46 <Nero_wrk> what, warhammer? :p
50:55 <Nothing\> no, just reviews like that in general
51:03 <Nothing\> of services or games or establishments
51:10 <Nothing\> lol
51:15 * electrohead waves and stuff
51:16 <Nothing\> but wait, is warhammer still a thing?
51:20 <Nero_wrk> yeah sure
51:25 <Nero_wrk> though I don't paint much warhammer myself
51:28 <Nothing\> electrohead, but at what frequency?
51:32 <Nothing\> me neither
51:38 <Nothing\> i don't even know what genre it is
51:43 <Nero_wrk> my gf and I spent 500 bucks on starter sets to play, but we are still not past the painting phase
51:49 <Nothing\> i'm guessing something like mech combat
52:00 <Nothing\> that's always what i imagined
52:07 <electrohead> Nothing\: 1 hz
52:12 <Nothing\> lol electrohead
52:28 <Nero_wrk> but to come back on an earlier comment: priviliged white people are not unique in being stupid, I think it is a general thing that is quite well distributed over all of society
52:30 <Nothing\> oh here's an idea for you Nero_wrk
52:38 <Nothing\> instead of making the fastest oscillators in the world
52:47 <Nothing\> work on making the slowest oscillators in the world
53:03 <Nothing\> they only oscillate once in the entire life of the universe from big bang to heat death
53:18 <Nothing\> lol
53:19 <Nero_wrk> you need to define what you consider a legit oscilator
53:29 <Nero_wrk> because I can say that this DC source is just a super duper slow oscillator
53:33 <Nero_wrk> eventually, it will tunr off again
53:35 <Nero_wrk> :p
53:38 <Nothing\> i consider an oscillator to be a circuit with no stable state.
53:46 <K> oscilator as an art statement
54:02 <K> prolly been done already
54:02 <Nothing\> which will revert between states
54:13 <Nero_wrk> But would a divider output count?
54:35 <Nothing\> i don't believe it would because you're just deriving the signal from an existing oscillator
54:42 <Nero_wrk> eg, if I take a 1 hz oscillator, and just divide it down by 2 100 times, that is a pretty damn slow signal
54:46 <Nothing\> without the first oscillator's signal there would be no divider
54:53 <Kuschelpony> so lets say the slowes LC oscilator
55:09 <Nothing\> at least that's what i think the definition would be
55:15 <Nero_wrk> I think if you wanna go real slow you should use RC-timeconstant based stuff ,easier than making crazy crazy big inductors
55:28 <Nothing\> obviously i don't know the technical definition. Despite having read like a dozen tutorials on oscillators in general
55:38 <Nero_wrk> eg, inverter loop, where each stage is connected through a gigantic resistor to a cap at the next input
55:51 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, that's what i was thinking
56:02 <Nothing\> RC seems to be best suited for low frequencies
56:17 <Nothing\> i believe the figure i read was up to about 300khz, caps are preferred
56:18 <Nero_wrk> though maybe you can do interesting stuff if you build active inductors to get absurd large effective inductance values
56:25 <Nothing\> for filtering, sorry
56:30 <Nothing\> i should have specified that
56:48 <Nothing\> but i'd assume the same applies to oscillators since the impedances would essentially be the same
57:14 <Nero_wrk> and on-chip you can also do crazy stuff since you have very hgih quality super huge resistors you can make with transistors
57:36 <Nothing\> heh what i think is cool is how i'm noticing patterns in the formulae for RLC/RC/LC/RL analysis
57:52 <Nero_wrk> were you a student? I forgot
57:54 <Nothing\> like i keep seeing 1/r which is clearly the conductance
57:59 <Nothing\> no, just a hobbyist
58:07 <Nothing\> but thank you, i take that as a compliment lol
58:14 <Nothing\> i actually dropped out in grade 9
58:33 <Nero_wrk> so that is what, 15 years old?
58:40 <Nero_wrk> grades are different all over the world
58:54 <Nothing\> i'm not the school type and didn't exactly feel like being bullied every day by teachers and students alike. But I'm sure that's nothing new to anyone here. Whether you've experienced it first hand or seen it or just heard about it.
59:02 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, i was 14
59:26 <Nothing\> i had all sorts of anxiety/mental health stuff and the bullying from 6 years old on was too much
59:43 <Nero_wrk> sorry that that was your experience. My middle and high school experience was not exactly rosetinted either, but I didn't get to that point
59:59 <Nothing\> thanks, I appreciate that.
00:07 <Nothing\> I'm just glad it seems to be getting better.
00:21 <Nothing\> at least based on my daughter's experiences in an admittedly wealthier school district
00:40 <Nothing\> but they had friggin smart boards instead of black boards, i remember that was the biggest contrast
00:47 <Nothing\> every class room had a smart board
00:55 <Nero_wrk> that is good. What helps for me now, when thinking/looking back to those things, is realizing that the significance I thoght those things had when I was in high school is not in proportion with the actual significance
01:31 <Nothing\> that and the topics they learned were so much more advanced than when i learned at that age. Like they were talking politics in grade 6. In grade 6 here, we barely even covered the founding of canada.
01:37 <Nero_wrk> also helps when I feel anxious somewhere and worried people will think I'm stupid: Just tell myself "I will probably never see those people again, and even if I did, in about 5 minutes they forgot I even did a stupid thing anways"
02:07 <Nero_wrk> The contents and curriculum is a huge debate here
02:52 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, yes, that's a trap that's entirely too easy to fall into and far too many people fall victim to it. Is believing a situation to be far more serious than it really is. Or in the same vein, when you're anticipating a situation and anxious over the unknowns of it because your mind builds them up to be much bigger obstacles than they are
03:06 <Nothing\> or you make the situation out to be worse than it really ends up being in reality
03:18 <Nero_wrk> Where you have one side that says 'school and topics should be more accesible to everyone' and on the other 'if you want everyone to be able to do everything, just give them the damn degree when they start and don't bother'
03:22 <Nothing\> i do that so much. But I'm a terribly neurotic person.
03:27 <Nero_wrk> indeed, it is something I'm very guilty of
03:51 <Nero_wrk> also because I am quite good at detecting problems or potential issues, which is nice when you are making a robust design, not so nice when you need to go to a social gathering
04:35 <Nothing\> yeah i nede to start taking advantage of open courseware stuff more often
05:17 <Nothing\> i downloaded the physics 8.0x series of lectures from MIT. It's an amazing lecture series done by an amazing prof.
05:29 <Nero_wrk> is that by walter lewin?
05:35 <Nothing\> YES!
05:44 <Nothing\> haha i was gonna mention that but i didn't think you would have seen them
05:52 <Nothing\> he's such a great presenter
05:58 <Nero_wrk> he is
06:00 <Nothing\> it's a shame what happened to his career
06:10 <Nothing\> he was let go of after some sexual harassment accusations
06:22 <Nothing\> hence he's doing his own channel now
06:26 <Nero_wrk> I refrain from commenting to that because I don't know if those are true or not
06:34 <Nothing\> same
06:47 <Nothing\> i just say it's very unfortunate because they lost a great presenter
06:58 <Nothing\> whether by his actions or by false accusation
07:06 <Nothing\> what matters is the end result
07:11 <Nero_wrk> indeed, that is unfortunate
07:52 <Nothing\> his physics 8.01 lectures were actually the first REAL taste of physics, or really any science that I got outside of watching a Michio Kaku or Brian Cox style documentary
08:09 <Nero_wrk> yeah, it's real physics you can do stuff with
08:33 <Nero_wrk> the handwavy stuff is nice to get people interested, but it does give a bit of a skewed perception of what real physics and high-tech engineering looks like
08:39 <Nothing\> it helped me break through from thinking such documentaries constituted higher education to actually finding real material of that sort
09:05 <Nero_wrk> mhm
09:06 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, yeah like those were basically all the science education I had for at least a decade or two.
09:42 <Nothing\> way too much time to waste on them. Like you said it's great if you watch them for a couple years or something or as a primer to get into a subject. But people make them out like they're a replacement for education
10:11 <Nero_wrk> I would argue they can act as replacement for general education (though not a replacement really, more like part of that)
10:30 <Nothing\> i see the comments on similar documentaries or "top 10s" style videos about science where people say things like "wow I learned more from that than I did from the entire 3 years I've been in college"
10:56 <Nothing\> to which i reply, "i'd argue you wouldn't understand any of this if not for the background those 3 years gave you in the subject"
11:37 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, i always try to use them... not so much as a supplement, although that's a nice side effect.
11:38 <Nero_wrk> for example, a lawyer or a carpenter does not need to know that the gradient of the magnetic field must always be zero
11:52 <Nero_wrk> but knowing there is such a thing as a magnetic and electric field and that they are tightly related is nice
12:07 <Nothing\> But i more just watch stuff like that when I don't want to think or focus hard on something. When I just want to watch something for purely recreational purposes
12:35 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, and that it works by more than just "miracles"
12:38 <Nothing\> don't forget that bit
12:44 <Nothing\> friggin jigalos
13:14 <Nothing\> er jugalos, that's right. I forgot what they're called lol. Fans of insane clown possy.
13:14 <Nero_wrk> yeah, that is a big thing
13:52 <Nothing\> magnets are pretty damn tricky to wrap your head around though
14:06 <Nothing\> i had a couple of good resources that helped a lot
14:06 <Nero_wrk> Magnets? Try semiconductors :p
14:17 <rust_collector> just admit that they are magic, it is ok
14:29 <rust_collector> magnets are where free energy comes from
14:50 <Nothing\> haha yeah Nero_wrk i was just telling Kuschelpony how despite studying bjts off and on for 2 or 3 years, I still can't for the life of me analyze even a DC BJT switch intuitively.
15:04 <Nero_wrk> The thing with magnets that gets people confused is that they don't realize that it doesn't cost energy to not keep stuff from moving
15:05 <Nothing\> nevermind any other configuration or mode
15:20 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, aye, the energy's already been put into it
15:28 <Nothing\> at least as i understand it
15:28 <Nero_wrk> it's just that the inneficiency of the chemical processes that keep our arms moving makes it cost energy to keep your arm lifted up
15:42 <Nothing\> energy put into it to allign the magnetic domains
16:06 <Nero_wrk> Nothing\: now try understanding the physics that make that BJT work
16:06 <Nothing\> oh yeah i hadn't thought of that either
16:22 <Ampera> Magnets are magic
16:22 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, lol i've been trying to understand recombination for just as long
16:28 <Ampera> obviously they make free energy
16:34 <Nothing\> that's one of the keys i know i need to understand if i want to understand transistors
16:35 <Ampera> haven't you ever tried pulling on two magnets?
16:37 <Ampera> is hard work
16:39 <Ampera> obv free energy
16:40 <Nothing\> that, and node/mesh analysis
16:49 <Nothing\> which admittedly, i didn't learn as much as i should have
16:53 <Nero_wrk> you mean Kirkhoff?
16:59 <Nothing\> one of the many follies of being an autodidact
17:00 <Ampera> it's just that big electricity doesn't want you to know that you can have free electricity
17:01 <Nero_wrk> or however you spell that name
17:09 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, that too. I need to bone up on my kirchoff laws
17:15 <Nero_wrk> oh Ampera, never change being a troll
17:16 <Ampera> so they're in cahoots with big magnet to make defective magnets that follow the laws of physics
17:21 <Nothing\> and just DC analysis in general
17:26 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, troll?
17:32 <Ampera> I'm dead serious...
17:39 <Nothing\> lol
17:48 <Ampera> I'm as serious as suicide.
17:58 <rust_collector> in just 100 years, they will figure out that your theories are not quite right, and it simply is magic
18:06 <Ampera> ^^^
18:14 <Ampera> it's just a theory bro
18:15 <Nothing\> "i'm telling you, i could nay have shot Mr Burns. I've had a crippling arthritis in me index fingers. It was from Space Invaders in 1977"
18:23 <Nothing\> "oh yeah, that was a pretty addictive video game."
18:26 <Nothing\> "video game?"
18:53 <Ampera> well my emulator is working better now
19:02 <Ampera> the vehicle is now moving at a blisteringly fast 0 MPH
19:04 <Nothing\> term or game
19:09 <Nothing\> game
19:09 <Nero_wrk> Nothing\: Kirchoff is simple really. can't have current stick somewhere, cause all the electrons would be piling up there, so sum of currents in a node must be 0, and sum of voltages in a loop must be zero, cause the pressure somewhere cannot be multiple voltages at the same time
19:57 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, yeah i learned my kirchoff current and voltage laws when i first got into EE but as with most first year stuff
20:13 <Nothing\> but then forgot them as time went on and i didn't have to use them any more.
20:46 <Nothing\> sorry, nodded off while i was typing i hate it when that happens
20:57 <Nero_wrk> I don't remember the last time I really used Kirchoffs laws
21:07 <Nothing\> the worst is when i fall asleep with my finger on a key and i just end up flooding likeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that
21:08 <Nero_wrk> though I guess I use them indirectly a lot of times iwthout realizing
21:11 <Nothing\> only for multiple lines
21:29 <Nothing\> Nero_wrk, same. I just look at them like conservation of energy basically
21:52 <Nothing\> you just don't write down all of the simple math that the tutorials have you go through
23:23 <Nothing\> holy crap these kidney bean sprouts have like doubled in size in just a week
23:49 <Nothing\> i don't even know what i want to do with these. I don't really care about having fresh kidney beans. I just wanted to see if they'd grow and how that would look.
26:01 <Lemon> hello peeps !
26:13 <Kuschelpony> hello lemos
26:15 <rust_collector> hello, you
28:03 <K> Lolmon
32:04 <Lemon> im really, realllyyy close to make this pas to throttle thingie works
32:21 <Lemon> a friend did the whole code for me, tried it outside the bike with a lab supply and a dmm, output looks perfect
32:23 <Nero_wrk> pas to throttle thingie?
32:28 <Lemon> but when connected to the bike, it goes full blast
32:38 <Lemon> pedal assist system, to throttle input on my ebike
32:46 <Lemon> I want to make a fully legal hidden mode
32:58 <Lemon> and this controller doesnt have a pedal assist input
33:08 <Nero_wrk> you mean to go faster than 25kmh?
33:16 <Lemon> so as the latter do pulses and throttle needs 1 to 4v, arduino is converting it
33:23 <Lemon> yeah and disabling throttle, enabling pas
33:41 <Nero_wrk> is this a pedal bike or are we talking about a different type of bike here
33:57 <rust_collector> "it is complicated"
34:23 <rust_collector> a bit of pedal bike, a bit different bike
34:27 <Nero_wrk> I recently got an ebike
34:32 <rust_collector> still pretty cool
35:09 <rust_collector> Lemon show him the pictures
36:21 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/cgDpd1g
36:21 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
36:26 <Lemon> yeah lets say a really powerful bike lol
36:34 <Lemon> the last limit before a motorcycle with pedals
36:42 <Lemon> pedals arent used a lot
36:50 <Lemon> mostly to do maneuvers or chill at 10kph
36:54 <Lemon> and hold my feets
37:08 <Nero_wrk> lol
37:11 <Nero_wrk> anyho got to go
37:12 <Nero_wrk> ttyl
37:15 <Lemon> its limited to 11kw currently as its already scary at that power, can do 15kw max
37:20 <Lemon> bye !
37:52 <rust_collector> baj baj
38:15 <Lemon> so ye no idea why it goes full blast like that
42:28 <rust1> hmm?
43:10 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
44:36 <Lemon> hello ampera :>
44:42 <Lemon> whats cracking ?
45:10 <Ampera> dealing with the fun that is time
45:32 <Ampera> and wishing that all of the people who ever decided to store times /without/ a timezone, could just have never been born
46:41 <rust1> ah! but that is why they should not have invented timezones
47:01 <Ampera> fine
47:04 <Ampera> then store it in UTC
47:06 <Ampera> not local time
47:11 <Ampera> whatever time local time is
47:32 <Ampera> and then ESPECIALLY, don't /not/ provide an API call to actually figure out this time.
52:10 <rust1> ok
52:51 <Nothing\> rust1, there, i made my mum's bed for her again.
53:17 <Nothing\> she has all sorts of stuffed animals and things but is usually too depressed to be bothered setting it up anymore. So I take the liberty whenever I notice.
53:18 <rust1> yay that is +1 for you. you still have a lot to make up for
53:24 <Nothing\> indeed
53:51 <Nothing\> man if it were up to me, i'd pay her back financially 5 fold. Just finacially.
54:03 <Nothing\> nevermind the rest I'd do if I was capable and/or had the resources
54:44 <Nothing\> she's a huge fan of stephen king and i've always wanted to arrange some way to have her either meet him. Or just mail a book to get it signed or something like that as a christmas present.
55:28 <Nothing\> i know he does a thing at his house in Maine for Halloween but that's a bit of a drive for two people with health problems that keeps them stuck where they are. Not to mention 2 kitties who would probably die without us to pamper them.
55:37 <Nothing\> but a man can dream
56:08 <Nothing\> lol she's got like 2 book cases completely packed full of his stuff
56:38 <LordGeir> Just a note; Stephen King is an awesomely nice person and I don't doubt for a second that he'd sign it with a nice note and send it back!
57:23 <Ampera> One of the things that might make me a sociopath, is I'm more drawn to emotion for the wellbeing of stuffed animals than I am humans.
57:24 <Ampera> pets too
57:44 <Ampera> If I hear some random pets died in a house fire, I feel worse about it than if I hear some random people did
58:30 <Lemon> my mother is also a fan of stephen king amongst lots of other writters
58:37 <Lemon> she prolly read all his books
58:59 <Lemon> ampera I cry for animals, barely for humans
59:02 <Lemon> and I often feel guilt
59:13 <Lemon> you're not alone
59:17 <Ampera> It's certain animals for me
59:25 <Ampera> I don't feel so bad for animals I tend to eat
59:33 <Ampera> hrm
59:36 <LordGeir> The funny thing about SK is that he is a HUGE fan of crime writer Lee Child (Jack Reacher series) and has actually referenced that character in a book :P
59:39 <Ampera> maybe this means I should start eating humans...
59:58 <Lemon> yeah well me neither
00:09 <Lemon> but my mothers got around 22 cats for example
00:14 <Lemon> some we've had for more than 10 years
00:20 <Lemon> its often that we lose one
00:29 <Lemon> and man it kills me if im close to it
02:02 <LordGeir> If caring more about random animals / pets than random people, then I too have sociopathic tendencies
03:12 * LordGeir Forgot to say: "makes me a sociopath,"
05:08 <Ampera> it applies to anything that's cute I think
05:12 <Ampera> stuffed animals
19:25 <Nothing\> yay my red/blue 3d glasses came
19:38 <Nothing\> i always wanted a pair to look at a 3d projection of a hypercube
20:01 <Nothing\> incidentally, i found this nice little applet visualizing a rotating hypercube
20:03 <Nothing\> https://syntagmatic.github.io/hypercube/rotate/
20:03 <EEVBot> [url] Hypercube Projections | syntagmatic.github.io
20:10 <Ampera> Can also play Minecraft in 3D
20:17 <Nothing\> oh, huh
20:19 <Nothing\> that's cool
20:25 <Ampera> if that feature is still in the game
20:26 <Nothing\> i bet there are other games that do that
20:28 <Ampera> they may have removed it ages ago
20:39 <Nothing\> actually yeah i remember they had that shitty 3d technique too
20:58 <Nothing\> where it has 2 images where you have to cross your eyes just right so the images line up and make it look 3d
21:34 <Nothing\> but just gives you a headache and only works if you're at precisely the right distance, angle and have your eyes just out of focus enough. It's even more touchy than those magic eye posters.
21:47 <Nothing\> surely you know what i'm talking about
22:10 <Nothing\> i remember back like 10 years ago there was a brief fad of people making porn like that
22:21 <Nothing\> a crappy 3d imgae
24:11 <Nothing\> argh fucking ancient websites with their shitty out of date java versions
24:26 <Nothing\> "your browser doesn't have the java plugin. Install Java to run this applet"
24:30 <Nothing\> fuck you it doesn't
26:51 <Ampera> out of date?
26:58 <Ampera> java applets have been dead for years
27:17 <Ampera> any and all java in the browser is out of date
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19:27 <Nothing\> strange, this cannabis oil isn't fluorescent
19:48 <Nothing\> or whatever the heck the other oils, cannabis or otherwise i tested with my green laser were doing
20:10 <Nothing\> green goes in, turns red while in medium, then back to green upon exiting
20:54 <Nothing\> so it doesn't sound like fluorescence the more I think about it. But the fact that it seems to take in high energy green light and output lower energy red light seems to imply that it is
20:58 <Nothing\> in part
21:28 <Nothing\> i also noticed those oils weer actually fluorescent at UV
21:41 <LordGeir> Light refraction most likely
21:45 <Nothing\> even olive or canola oil
22:01 <Nothing\> LordGeir, how does that work when the only wavelength going in is 535nm?
22:07 <Nothing\> no amount of refraction changes the wavelength
22:16 <Nothing\> well
22:21 <Nothing\> correction
22:26 <Nothing\> it does but not in this case
22:33 <LordGeir> The wavelengths changes due to the changed "state"
22:46 <Nothing\> what state?
23:01 <Nothing\> state of what?
23:25 <Nothing\> as i understand it's the state of the electrons that determines the emitted wavelength
23:29 <LordGeir> I've never tried it with oil though, so I don't have personal experience with oils
23:53 <Nothing\> it's an interesting phenomenon, i'd suggest playing around with it if you're curious
23:59 <LordGeir> I used "state" because I don't know a technical term for the temporary change
24:20 <Nothing\> i'd love to try with higher energy wavelengths of lasers, like the blu/purple ones. I forget the exact wavelength
24:31 <Nothing\> LordGeir, ah i understand. A term of convenience.
24:32 <LordGeir> I actually just found my green laser here the other day, which had been "lost" for years
25:08 <LordGeir> Green lasers are banned in Norway, but I bought mine years before the ban and haven't discarded mine
25:17 <LordGeir> Indeed
25:22 <Nothing\> heh yeah i still play with the same one i've had for years but it's so beat up and everything's so badly out of allignment. Frmo more than 100 feet it might as well be a flashlight with how spread out the beam gets
25:28 <Nothing\> i need to invest in a new one
25:49 <Nothing\> this one's weird anyways it didn't even have proper threading on it
26:25 <Nothing\> the two halves just slide together and with the constant pressure of the batteries on the springs inside, the thing would randomly just pop apart and of course the optics would fall on the ground
27:12 <Nothing\> and i dunno how familiar you are with green lasers but they're more complicated than red ones and require some precisely alligned optics that get all jacked up with hard impacts.
27:36 <Nothing\> so the beam getsa ll spread out. Or I'm getting reflections from internal structures in the laser
27:59 <LordGeir> Mine is ~20mW and 532nm
28:27 <Nothing\> ooh actually i found a nice kit of little optics toys i forgot about. I wanna get it and play with it with a praper laser
28:39 <Nothing\> lol i read that as 20W at first
28:43 <LordGeir> I tested mine on a distance of about 1.5km and it was just a dot on the receiver surface
28:46 <Nothing\> 532 is green though, that's right
30:21 <rust_collector> LordGeir do you know that guy who built the giant horn speaker in his barn?
30:41 <Nothing\> arno penzias?
30:50 <Nothing\> or his slave
30:58 <Nothing\> let's face it, nobody remembers the other guy's name
31:19 <rust_collector> no one remember arno guy either, so that is fine
31:25 <Nothing\> i do
31:37 <rust_collector> you just do not count, Nothing\
33:34 <rust_collector> you just know too much crap you will never use... But ok, if you come up with a use for that, then... +32 to you
33:56 <Nothing\> phew that cannabis oil mighta been too much
34:08 <Nothing\> i'm already starting to feel sleepy and nodding off and i just took it like 15 minutes ago
34:21 <Nothing\> it's supposed to take 90-180 minutes to kick in fully
34:46 <rust_collector> you were nodding off a long time bfore that.
34:54 <rust_collector> it is just that day
35:05 <Nothing\> i nod off a lot
35:15 <Nothing\> if i'm not distressingly anxious i'm cripplingly exhausted
35:54 <Nothing\> gotta play something to get my attention up
36:02 <LordGeir> Just read about them now; Hadn't read that one before, even though astro physics is a subject I like very much
36:42 <Nothing\> what's that, LordGeir?
36:52 <rust_collector> arno guy
36:52 <Nothing\> trying to remember what we were talking about
36:54 <Nothing\> ah
36:58 <LordGeir> The article about the Arno dude
37:02 <Nothing\> they discovered the cosmic microwave background radiationt
37:17 <LordGeir> I say "The", but really it's "an" article :P
37:27 <Nothing\> yeah
38:19 <Nothing\> wiki's really the best place to start i find, then i go out from the citations and any SERIOUS YouTube videos about it. And not just one of those "top 5 scientific discoveries YOU didn't know about" videos
38:22 <Nothing\> you know the type
38:30 <LordGeir> That horn antenna was insane at the time. Probably would still be insane today
39:34 <LordGeir> Those Top 5 vids have been popping up in my FB and IG feed for forever... They have the odd interesting tidbit of information, but they're mostly clickbait
39:44 <Nothing\> but yeha the story goes when they found the signal, they thought their antenna was broken or having problems becaues they got this exact same signal no matter where they pointed the thing. They cleaned it top to bottom. Evicted resident pigeons. And still got the noise.
40:05 <Nothing\> i forgot how, i read the story decades ago, but obviously they veentuallya figured out what they were looking at
41:09 <LordGeir> I remember a story about a new radio telescope (this was decades ago) and almost right off the bat, the telescope detected some weird signals that merited investigation
42:16 <Nothing\> lol speaking of radio
42:39 <LordGeir> After spending boatloads of money on searching and detecting, it turned out that some shielding or something wasn't calibrated correctly and the telescope was picking up one of the very early microwave ovens or something from the neighboring village
42:50 <Nothing\> somebody local to me has a shortwave broadcast set up that i can hear every night at midnight when he starts it. But I hear it on the headphones I have connected to my Nintendo Switch through a 3 meter extension cord
43:53 <LordGeir> Is the cord working as an antenna? But is there some form of rx in the Switch? (I've never owned one)
44:40 * electrohead offers steak and eggs
45:02 <Nothing\> something about that specific set up makes something akin to a foxhole radio where i'm picking up the signal on my headphones. But it's not being powered externally or amplified at all because it's extremely quiet. So something in it must be somehow tuned to the exact frequency he's using (by some bizarre coincidence) and then coupling the signal to the audio output AFTER any amplifier sstages
45:11 <Nothing\> LordGeir, i believe it might be
45:19 * LordGeir Asks for bacon. (Everything is better with bacon.)
45:29 <Nothing\> LordGeir, looking at foxhole radios, you usually need like a 40-80 foot antenna to make them work
47:09 <LordGeir> To quote Sheldon: "That is something that a person that doesn't know about the law of large numbers would call a coincidence!"
47:42 <LordGeir> But yeah, the chances of that are very small but not impossible
49:05 <LordGeir> When keyfobs were becoming more normal, there was an incident (I believe here in Norway actually) where a person went outside to unlock and start his car, but when he clicked the fob two cars opened.
50:15 <LordGeir> That should only be theoretically possible, but it happened that the codes for those cars were the same (was before the real rolling codes were implemented)
50:25 <rust1> there are a few fun things about cars and random "signals" like volvos not starting, if parked next to a transformer, in a parking garage
51:21 <LordGeir> If you want a couple of hours of fun, watch some videos (from BlackHat and DefCon) where Samy Kamkar speaks
51:47 <LordGeir> That guy is insane when it comes to cars and RF in general
52:34 <LordGeir> He created tech that could "break into" ANY RF garage door in just over 8 seconds (given 10 or 12 bit codes)
54:23 <LordGeir> He's also the main reason that IM-ME devices shot through the roof, from $10-15 to over $200
54:35 <Nothing\> hrm i think i'm getting tired of playing subnautica
55:05 <Nothing\> i'm stuck trying to find this upgrade, or pieces of it. And even the cheats aren't helpful
55:20 <Nothing\> and frankly it just feels like one go-to "mission" after another
55:50 <Nothing\> i wonder if the spinoff where you're in an arctic planet is any better
56:07 <Nothing\> but something tells me it's just the same thing reskinned
57:04 <LordGeir> Last game I played (and the only game I've played since CoD MW2) was No Mans Sky for about a month, from the day it was released
57:05 <Nothing\> LordGeir, yeah it reminded me of how back in the day you'd have things ilke baby monitors picking up peoples' conversations on cell phones or cordless phones because they used the same frequencies
57:28 <Nothing\> heh i bought MW2 for my PS3 last year
57:40 <Nothing\> just for the multiplayer, which amazingly is still alive and well
58:05 <Nothing\> i didn't get into it the way i did the first time though. I couldn't get enough of it the first time i played.
58:12 <Nothing\> prestiged so many times
58:31 <LordGeir> I went around my neighborhood and looked at what wireless doorbells people had, then bought the two most used, only to walk around randomly pressing the buttons, hehe
59:19 <LordGeir> I never really played MW2 much, except biweekly because we had a "clan" at work, where we would set up a server and game for a few hours
59:35 <Nothing\> but yeah i don't tend to like AAA level games. Like the big relaeses. I stick to small indie games. The only AAA titles I buy are for my Switch. Like Legend of Zelda Breath of Wild, hands down the best game i've possibly EVER played. And I"m not even exaggerating. I've probably put a total of 700 hours into it across 2 playthroughs
59:52 <Nothing\> and mario Odyssey, I've got 250 hours across 2 playthroughs.
00:11 <LordGeir> I've never been a gamer; I was the one more interested in creating games than playing them
00:47 <LordGeir> BoW has a serious fan base from what I've heard. All fans I know of Zelda says it's fanTAStic
01:04 <Nothing\> programming is just too tedious and detail oriented for my ADD riddled brain much as i'd like to get into it
01:25 <Nothing\> the most i've really programmed outside of something like QB64 is just some embedded systmes type stuff
02:46 <LordGeir> I have the flipside of ADHD.. I only just got "diagnosed" this year (and I'm an oldtimer). I don't have AD, but I have Hyper Focus Hyper Active :/
03:02 <LordGeir> Coupled with a near idetic memory
03:33 <electrohead> LordGeir: yeah I have bacon available, but didn't make any up
03:40 <electrohead> just steak and eggs, for lunch/dinner
03:42 <electrohead> <3
03:55 * electrohead solders Nothing\'s hands together
04:38 <LordGeir> electrohead: When you posted it, my mind went straight to bacon. I'm having bacon and eggs for breakfast tomorrow!
04:53 <electrohead> \o/
19:05 <Ysjoelfir> did I read bacon?
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23:42 * T3sl4 beckons Ysjoelfir some bacon
24:21 * rust1 is bacon
24:38 * T3sl4 puts rust1 in a rusty frying pan
27:02 <Nothing\> heh i got my 4th covid shot today
27:15 <Nothing\> told the pharmacist i'd be seeing him next year for my next one
27:30 * T3sl4 noogies Nothing\ noggin
27:44 <Nothing\> yoru lucky i have thick hair
27:59 <rust1> good that you get some new 5Gs
28:16 <T3sl4> aren't we up to like 6, 7G now?
28:51 <rust1> I don't know, I do not get vaccines
29:12 <Ampera> vaccines are a scam by the vaccine industry to sell more vaccines
29:31 <T3sl4> Ampera is a scam by the hugging industry to increase hugging
29:46 <Ampera> They trick you by giving you a serum that prevents disease, that way you think it works and buy more
29:57 * Ampera hugs T3sl4 with some crowns for his viruses
30:15 * T3sl4 coughs some virus particles on Ysjoelfir
30:45 <Ampera> I spent 70 dollars on fans
35:52 <jaymax> only fans?
40:45 <Ampera> no, just fans.
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42:37 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/A8VV1kd
42:37 <EEVBot> [url] ❤ - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
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49:33 <rust1> whoa! I just rebooted my computer. what an interesting thing
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36:34 <MrMobodies> Found this article about tap to click on macbooks
36:42 <MrMobodies> I never knew they were disabled by default
36:50 <MrMobodies> https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/your-macbook-trackpad-has-an-annoying-setting-you-need-to-change/
36:50 <EEVBot> [url] Your MacBook Trackpad Has an Annoying Setting You Need to Change - CNET | www.cnet.com
37:19 <MrMobodies> he seems to like the finger touching the pad to automatically click
37:25 <MrMobodies> "Instead a clever bit of haptic feedback makes it feel like you've clicked down. "
37:30 <MrMobodies> I don't think it is clever
37:47 <MrMobodies> from my experience I find i can't control it
38:01 <MrMobodies> things unintentionally happen due to this that I sometimes catch
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38:23 <MrMobodies> "I'm assuming it's just to make my life more difficult"
38:34 <MrMobodies> difficult? I find it difficult with them on
39:23 <MrMobodies> only two laptops i came across, one HP Probook and Toshiba Portege that was very insesntive
39:43 <MrMobodies> that means it takes a harder force on the finger to activate the click
39:50 <MrMobodies> which I find is more appropriate and better designed
40:21 <MrMobodies> but many of them even though I tried to adjust the sensitivity on quite a few seems too sensitive
40:41 <MrMobodies> oh and now they had put the buttons over the newer ones
41:10 <MrMobodies> when I copying stuff it cancel out if my finger on the button area moves
41:36 <Tezzers> Ampera I was at work, y'know, working, you stupid hole
41:39 <MrMobodies> some have but not all have "smartsense" filter thing to stop movement on the button areas
41:46 <MrMobodies> ooh
43:52 <MrMobodies> did he wanted to play with you?
43:59 <MrMobodies> some lan games?
44:14 <MrMobodies> I am looking forward when I get the solar panels
44:18 <MrMobodies> it's been far too long
04:22 <DHess_US> Well, that was a new one. Microwave exploded and shut itself off.]
04:53 <DHess_US> Managed to heat a cup of water significantly above the supercritical point, and it boiled all at once, blowing the door open.
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15:04 <steve30> hehe
15:07 <steve30> never had that happen before
20:38 <DHess_US> I've had the water knock, but never blow the of the microwave open.
20:46 <DHess_US> blow the door
27:09 <steve30> i've had things like chicken explode
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02:08 <Zsjoelfir> Hi
02:22 <Zsjoelfir> I just stumbled over this song and think I need to share it with the all of yous
02:32 <Zsjoelfir> because I thought its cool to come into here and interrupt everything thats going on
02:38 <Zsjoelfir> so let me quickly share this song
02:38 <Zsjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rHRztFGOm8
02:39 <EEVBot> [url] 1985 - YouTube | www.youtube.com
02:44 <Zsjoelfir> I hope you all like it
02:54 <Zsjoelfir> besides that I am going to be making breakfast now
03:13 * Zsjoelfir hugs Halcyon, Ampera, T3sl4, electrohead, rust_collector and everyone else
03:20 <Zsjoelfir> <3
03:22 <T3sl4> hugs!
03:36 * T3sl4 snacks Zsjoelfir with some hummus
03:47 <Zsjoelfir> WOAH! Hummus!
03:53 <Zsjoelfir> that reminds me of a story I once read
04:01 <Zsjoelfir> you know, up here in alaska, there was this one guy....
04:11 <Zsjoelfir> ok, I stop now.
04:43 <T3sl4> i'll ask ya
05:28 <Zsjoelfir> I just felt a slight hint of Nothingness creeping into me
06:08 <T3sl4> these chips are rather nice,
06:34 <T3sl4> "Way Better" sweet chili
08:17 <T3sl4> which, their website is kinda down atm? that's not great... https://www.amazon.com/Way-Better-Snacks-Tortilla-Chips/dp/B0078DPE12
08:17 <EEVBot> [url] Amazon.com: Way Better Snacks Tortilla Chips, Sweet Chili, 5.5 Ounce | www.amazon.com
09:23 <Zsjoelfir> That sounds very nice actually :D
10:29 <T3sl4> they're crispy but a little more interesting than plain corn chips, and the flavoing is rather simple i guess, a little sweet and sour and spice
12:07 <Zsjoelfir> Oh, wasn't it like you americans basically only have plain or paprika flavoured chips? I think the ex misses said something like that
13:02 <T3sl4> um, kinda like that probably, but these at least aren't the mainstream like bbq flavor
15:15 <T3sl4> also, again having this hummus with some horseradish, which gives a sweeter and different kind of hotness
15:33 <Zsjoelfir> I love the variety of chips we have in germany. And I would probably enjoy those (link works now), and actually, I now want some. damn.
31:33 <Zsjoelfir> I really love this new workplace. They entrust me with quite some things. Now I am supposed to work with the recruiting to find a suitable software engineer to work together with me
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22:47 <Halcyon> I don't understand Graham Crackers
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27:39 * electrohead yawns
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37:30 * Zsjoelfir cracks Halcyon 's graham
37:41 * Zsjoelfir unhugs electrohead to hug him again
37:56 <electrohead> lol
37:58 <electrohead> hey o/
39:45 <K> hello pants
39:55 <Zsjoelfir> hello mr. wienercover
40:11 <Zsjoelfir> oh wow, what a switch in sound in my Deezer mix right now :D
40:52 <Zsjoelfir> before: Far over the misty mountains by Geoff Castellucci. Now: Crying at the discoteque from Alcazar
42:55 <Zsjoelfir> Oh. And now Traktor from Russkaja. Very interesting mix today, but highly motivating xD
43:54 <K> for me listening to spotify/deezer autogenerated-for-me playlists does not feel right
44:23 <Zsjoelfir> yeah, sometimes there are strange suggestions..... like it keeps suggesting Helene Fischer to me >_>
44:41 <Zsjoelfir> or some rap songs which I totally don't like (just because I have ONE rap song in my favorites)
45:18 <K> not as much the weird choices, more the creepyness factor
46:08 <K> with regular/internet radio station there is noone on the other end to adjust shit, just plays the list
46:18 <K> list which, hopefully, was assembled by someone real
46:39 <Zsjoelfir> ah, you mean that it most of the time hits exactly what you like?
46:49 <Zsjoelfir> which feels weird to me at least
47:04 <K> sort of, more that there is noone real at the other end
47:08 <Zsjoelfir> in normal Radio I keep being mildly annoyed by the stuff they choose, but it feels more natural
47:47 <K> i switch stations if get anoyyed
47:58 <K> maybe im just old :|
49:32 <Zsjoelfir> since pretty much the only radio I listen to is on the motorcycle.... switching that while driving is a bit hard
50:45 <K> id say something about being distracted while riding a meat-crayon prepartion agregate, but i wont
51:35 <K> i think i should make some tea lest i say more grumpy things
51:46 <Zsjoelfir> Thats exactly the reason why I keep the radio compartment shut and locked while driving ;) only regulation method would be: hit the big red knob on the dashboard to switch it off xD
52:01 <Zsjoelfir> can I ask for your professional oppinion after your tea?
54:09 <K> you can ask now
54:16 <Zsjoelfir> xD ok
55:04 <Zsjoelfir> I am preparing a job ad for a new coworker here. I want to write something like "has experience in coding X, Y and Z". But I don't know how to identify what those codes are written in. could you give a guess when I show you some snippets?
56:00 <K> X Y Z being laguages, embedded devices or something else?
56:07 <K> sure, i can try
56:15 <Zsjoelfir> languages
56:48 <K> sec, gonna deal w delivery
57:00 <Zsjoelfir> sure, I still need a few seconds as well, so....
09:56 * Halcyon hugs Zsjoelfir 
10:01 <Halcyon> How are you my friend?
10:20 <Zsjoelfir> I am fine Halcyon :) you?
10:35 <Halcyon> Well thanks, now that it's the weekend. Weeeee \o/
20:55 <Zsjoelfir> I am still technically at work (being in home office atm), but after this day is over I am on vacation for 2 weeks, weee :D
34:59 <Zsjoelfir> Halcyon, I got a new mouse. a finger controlled trackball (in contrast to the nowadays more common thumb controlled ones). its very cool actually
38:16 <Halcyon> Ooooh pics?
38:58 * Halcyon fingers Zsjoelfir's large singular ball
41:20 <Zsjoelfir> xD
41:29 <Zsjoelfir> its a Kensington Orbit Fusion. let me search it for you
41:45 <Zsjoelfir> https://www.kensington.com/de-de/p/produkte/eingabegeräte/trackballs/orbit-fusion-wireless-trackball2-1/
41:46 <EEVBot> [url] Orbit Fusion™ Wireless Trackball | Ergonomische Eingabegeräte | Kensington | www.kensington.com
52:55 <Halcyon> Oh neat
58:00 * electrohead looks for the coffee
58:03 <Zsjoelfir> yeah, its pretty cool. that scroll ring is just nice, though it feels very cheap compared to the rest of the mouse that feels VERY robust. the ball rolls smoothly
02:03 <Halcyon> https://twitter.com/gsd_my_soul/status/1552727548722696192
02:03 <EEVBot> [Twitter] Eno (@gsd_my_soul): Tap❤️& Comment on this photo if you love German shepherd 💝💯💝 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYxlehDVUAA1BK4.jpg | 121 RTs | 2299 ♥s | Posted: 2022-07-28 - 18:47:50UTC
02:07 <Halcyon> Mawwwwwwww, puppy
02:42 <Zsjoelfir> awww :D
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50:33 <steve30> o/
51:13 <Zsjoelfir> mornings steve
56:46 <electrohead> o/
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29:55 <Ampera> good morning
32:03 <K> no u.
38:29 * Ampera shoves some hash browns into K's no u hole
40:25 <Nero_wrk> monin
40:59 <Nero_wrk> Is it me or has the price of USB docks shot up in the last few months
41:13 <Nero_wrk> I mean real docks, that charge the laptop and all that, not just a fancy USB-c hub
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43:50 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, do you mean thunderbolt docks, or just USB-C docks
43:54 <Ampera> because there's a massive distinction
44:05 <Ampera> USB-C docks are still dirt cheap, but don't do a whole lot
44:22 <Ampera> If you want the actually decent docks that give you lotsa IO and monitors, you're looking at Thunderbolt and paying 300 bucks for a dock, easy
44:31 <Ampera> Ask me how I know :P
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46:32 <Nero_wrk> Indeed, thunderbolt I guess? I'm not 100% sure honestly
46:48 <Nero_wrk> Even USB-C docks with multiple monitor outputs seems to be 300 bucks
47:20 <Ampera> If it's a true USB-C dock, then it will only have up to 2 monitor outputs. If it has 2 outputs, then it will only have USB-2 and 100BASE-T
47:30 <Ampera> Some of them use what's I think is called DisplayLink
47:45 <Ampera> which is a lossily compressed display system, which uses special chips that cost most.
47:59 <Ampera> If it's 300 bucks, I better be getting thunderbolt.
48:16 <Ampera> They all use the same connector, but thunderbolt is far more capable than normal USB-C
48:32 <Ampera> depending on the display, you can sometimes get up to 4 monitors onto thunderbolt, and still have gigabit ethernet and USB-3
51:24 <Nero_wrk> interesting
51:34 <Nero_wrk> I would just need 2 monitors anyways
51:46 <Ampera> What else do you want with it though
51:46 <Nero_wrk> I think for now we will get stupid display dongles, because of reasons
51:50 <Ampera> hold on
52:06 <Ampera> because if you just need USB-C DP -> 2x DP, then you can get that cheaply
52:56 <Nero_wrk> well, the main thing I want really, in the long term, is a dock, so you can keep all I/O, ethernet, displays, etc connected to one device, and just plug in a single cable to the laptop that also charges the laptop
53:09 <Ampera> Then you need thunderbolt.
53:16 <Ampera> There is no way around that unless you have a proprietary connector
53:44 <Nero_wrk> but for reasons lots of things are unclear in our startup since we have laptop but it is unsure if we will keep these laptops (they are owned by the research group) or get our own
54:10 <Nero_wrk> and because of all those uncertainties, I'll just order a few USBc->display dongles, so we can at least have multiple external monitors on each laptop, and use chargers
54:21 <Nero_wrk> my dream is to have everyone use Surface 13" Laptops, but well
54:27 <Ampera> ewwww
54:31 <Nero_wrk> yeah, my surface uses such a proprietary connector for its dock
54:38 <Ampera> Surface design is great, but a 13" laptop is just cruel
54:42 <Nero_wrk> what
54:48 <Nero_wrk> no it is the best size
54:54 <Ampera> firmly disagree
54:57 <Ampera> 15" for anything serious
55:02 <Nero_wrk> I hate how large and bulky this 15" is
55:24 <Nero_wrk> for any work, I have my laptop hooked up to two 27" monitors anyways
55:28 * Ampera smashes Nero_wrk with a 13" Toshiba Satellite from 20 years ago
55:36 <Nero_wrk> and for reading emails at home, 13" is fine
55:46 <Ampera> my T15g Gen 2 is gonna be up after that
55:58 <Ampera> 13" is fine for a tablet in bed. Get everyone a Surface Pro
56:08 <Ampera> they come with thunderbolt and can use commodity docks
56:08 <Nero_wrk> Surface pro would also be an option
56:14 <Ampera> I love my SP8, it's great
56:21 <Nero_wrk> also: WOOP WOOP I got access to Dale2
56:34 <Nero_wrk> dalle*
56:43 <Ampera> I got real confused there for like five seconds
56:48 <Ampera> fuckin dale
56:52 * Ampera throws pocket sand
58:36 <Nero_wrk> Anyone here ever designed a BGA package
59:02 <Ampera> I've eaten them before
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40:13 <Lemon> helo frens
40:29 <Lemon> I need your help, im really bummed, I can't find a solution for the bike
40:40 <Lemon> I with a friend discovered that there is ground noise coming from somewhere
40:53 <Lemon> like, if I connect only one lead of a dmm to the ground of throttle input, throttle wont stop, for example
41:02 <Lemon> thats why I can't connect the pedal assist mode I built
41:09 <Lemon> but I have no idea what could cause that
56:41 <Ampera> Replace the rubber in the tires with metal mesh to provide a better ground
03:28 <K> what is "ground noise" in this instance?
03:30 <Nero_wrk> Make everything differential
04:00 <Nero_wrk> K: it's ASMR sounds of the scronches boots make on soil in summer
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09:35 * K blinks and steps backwards into the bush
12:31 <Nero_wrk> man I hate summer holidays
12:49 <Nero_wrk> people suddenly become unreachable for fucking 3 weeks without warning and projects absolutly grind to a halt until they get back
13:40 <Nero_wrk> now they guy that gives us access to the technology files to design our ICs with is on holiday for 3 weeks, so I can't start my design until he gets back
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48:38 <rust_collector> hmm, because no one knows when vacation happens
52:18 <K> yeah, that is some bad communication
52:40 <K> id say both on part of the hr of company/organization and the person going away too
53:05 <K> or maybe they just dont give a shit
54:12 <rust_collector> and the guy does not really have anything to do, so he sits on his little chair, across the road from work, all day, every day, for 3 weeks, lol
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