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25:50 <electrohead> o/
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30:48 <Nothing\> interesting, Douglas Adams got something wrong in The Hitchhiker's Guide
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31:21 <rust_collector> it is 63?
31:25 <Nothing\> there's the classic quote at the beginning of the first book when Ford Prefect and Arthur Dent are in the pub getting reading to leave earth before it's demolished
31:31 <Nothing\> The barman looked at it and then looked at Ford. He suddenly shivered: he experienced a momentary sensation that he didn't understand because no one on Earth had ever experienced it before. In moments of great stress, every life form that exists gives out a tiny subliminal signal. This signal simply communicates an exact and almost pathetic sense of how far that being is from the place of his birth. On Earth it is neve
31:31 <Nothing\> than sixteen thousand miles from your birthplace, which really isn't very far, so such signals are too minute to be noticed. Ford Prefect was at this moment under great stress, and he was born 600 light years away in the near vicinity of Betelgeuse. (3.29)
31:36 <Nothing\> BUT
32:13 <Nothing\> Adams got that figure of never being able to be farther than 16,000 MILES from any point on earth very VERY wrong.
33:00 <Nothing\> so first, for convenience that converts to 25749km. So let's just say 26,000 not that it matters.
33:15 <Nothing\> But it turns out the actual number is only 12,500km
33:59 <Nothing\> adams just assumed the distance based on the length as the crow flies, ie along the face of the earth. But if you travel THROUGH the earth, the distance is much shorter.
35:48 <Nothing\> also rust_collector thanks for the comment on my video =P
35:52 <Nothing\> but what is haft?
36:17 <Nothing\> it wasn't norwegian, and as german it translated as something like the past tense of "help"
36:35 <Nothing\> or dutch was half
37:04 <Nothing\> actually i guess there's the haft of a sword isn't there. Sort of like the handle i think? i'm not sure.
39:08 <Nothing\> oh cool, i have lua installed on here
39:25 <Nothing\> although this says it's more meant for web scripting? that doesn't sound like anything i need
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40:13 <Nothing\> i was thinking if i was gonna learn a scripting language, maybe PERL. Or Python seems popular but i worry if that's the same reason arduinos and visual basic are/were popular
40:20 <rust_collector> it is not first, it is halft
40:27 <Nothing\> or perhaps TCL
40:40 <Nothing\> that's right, halft
40:46 <Nothing\> so what's it mean? lol
40:47 <rust_collector> youcan use lua for a lot of stuff, I think
40:59 <Ysjoelfir> tcl?
41:01 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.tcl-langenfeld.de ?
41:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Truckcenter Langenfeld - Home
41:16 <rust_collector> it means half -st
41:20 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, Tool Command Language, i believe
41:52 <Nothing\> rust_collector, but yeah there's actually an SNES emulator called BizHawk that lets you code LUA scripts for controlling games and stuff like thta i guess
42:03 <rust_collector> yes
42:08 <Nothing\> i know people have made self learning AI bots with it and stuff like that
42:28 <Nothing\> there's a fun video on youtube of one such bot learning to play super mario world
42:53 <rust_collector> but you want a scripting language, and not a programming language?
43:15 <Nothing\> i'd like a programming language, but it always goes tits up any time i try to learn c++
43:40 <Nothing\> codeblocks can't find a compiler even when i install mingw and specifically tell it where to find it
43:47 <rust_collector> so, try a different one?
43:58 <Nothing\> dev bloodshed... i forget what problem it gave me but it was the same deal
44:07 <Nothing\> which sucks because both IDEs were brilliant back in the day
44:21 <Nothing\> i got my feet wet in dev bloodshed
44:26 <rust_collector> mingw, i remember that name
44:44 <Nothing\> lol yeah that's the compiler i think it came with
44:50 <Nothing\> or that other one
44:52 <Nothing\> gtk?
44:53 <Nothing\> no
44:56 <Nothing\> i forget
45:19 <rust_collector> isn't mingw some kind of loonix compatability thing or something?
45:34 <Nothing\> nah it's a c/c++ compiler
46:10 <Nothing\> it sucks because i remember back in the day i could just install codeblocks and BOOM it'd work no problem
46:11 <rust_collector> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/ are you sure about that?
46:17 <Nothing\> or same with bloodshed
46:50 <Nothing\> yup =P
46:52 <Nothing\> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/
46:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - MinGW - Minimalist GNU for Windows download | SourceForge.net
46:58 <Nothing\> haha
46:59 <rust_collector> oh well. I just posted that
47:01 <Nothing\> same ling
47:03 <Nothing\> yeah haha
47:32 <Nothing\> but it says right there "A native windows port of the GCC"
47:40 <rust_collector> yes
47:41 <Nothing\> which is what i was trying to remember the name of before, GCC
47:43 <Nothing\> not gtk
47:48 <Nothing\> gtk is TLC
47:52 <Nothing\> TCL
47:55 <rust_collector> gimp toolkit is different yes
48:10 <Nothing\> yeah gimp used it too, and a bunch of other stuff in X
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48:26 <Nothing\> i think it was just like a toolkit for developing guis in X wasn't it?
48:29 <rust_collector> it used to be gimp tool kit, before gnome ate it
48:32 <Nothing\> that's the sense i got anyways
48:37 <Nothing\> lol
49:01 <Nothing\> i always liked Gnome. I cut my teeth on Gnome so I've got a soft spot for it. Even though I know everyone swears by KDE.
49:07 <Nothing\> or did 20 years ago anyways
49:22 <rust_collector> yes, gnome used to be ok, until version 3, imo
49:34 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what version i used
49:41 <rust_collector> and kde was horrible, until 5, imo
49:42 <Nothing\> whatever came with redhat 6 and 7
49:58 <rust_collector> that would be gnome 2, I guess
50:06 <rust_collector> maybe even 1.xx
50:30 <Nothing\> rust_collector, wiki says gnome 2.2 is still the default in RH9
50:33 <rust_collector> my first linux install was debian netinstall, with gnome 2
51:28 <Nothing\> heh my first linux install was downloading it one iso at a time from linuxiso.org over a dialup connection that as thankfully on a dedicated line. But it took 10 days for the lot lol.
52:49 <rust_collector> I was not very into computers, so I did not get one, until we had ok internet
57:00 <Nothing\> yeah i was maybe 18 when i finally learned computers in any serious capacity
57:50 <rust_collector> I bought my first in 08, i think
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59:06 <Nothing\> my mum kicked me out at 17 and my friends' parents let me live in their basement. The father used to have a computer repair business, so the one night when my buddy and I were drinking we decided to build a computer. And he knew his way around a computer. So he was kind showing me the ropes in terms of hardware and that. Even though it was 2003 and the system we were build was a 386 DX lol
59:38 <Nothing\> but either way, in my drunken state, I somehow wound up JAMMING the ram stick in backwards. Despite the keying to ensure you can't do that.
00:08 <Nothing\> we couldn't figure out why it woudln't POST, until the RAM starting smoking.
00:18 <Nothing\> i burned myself trying to pull it out lol
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00:41 <Nothing\> but yeah, i was a bit late to the game with computer stuff
07:55 <Nothing\> oh cool
08:04 <Nothing\> my weed plant i'm growing actually smells like weed
08:16 <Nothing\> even though it's only a few inches tall. Still very much a seedling
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08:53 <Nothing\> it got big fast, though. Must have almost tripled in size in the past week.
09:40 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i took the digital and driver electronics out of an old microwave and I've been trying to reverse engineer it as best as possible. But I can't find ANYTHING on the chip in it.
10:14 <Nothing\> It's just got one main Daewoo brand DIP-44 in it but I can't find anything about it anywhere in any langugae.
10:39 <watcher> Nothing\ do you have the transformer also, you can do a lot of fun stuff with it
11:09 <Nothing\> lol of course
11:12 <Nothing\> but watcher
11:17 <Nothing\> those things are deadly
11:26 <Nothing\> there are safer ways to do fun things with high voltage
11:29 <rust_collector> do not lift them over your head
11:50 <Nothing\> microwave transformers are akin to playing with high tension wires because they're high voltage AND high current.
12:03 <rust_collector> just make them lower voltage
12:14 <Nothing\> yeah i was gonna say
12:36 <rust_collector> or, use your brain, and play with high voltage
12:54 <Nothing\> one thing i've heard you can do to mitigate the danger is to replace one of the coils with a large gauge wire with just 1 or 2 turns.
13:13 <watcher> wire it to 5v and charge youre phone in several seconds
13:16 <rust_collector> or 3 or 4 or 10 or
13:18 <Nothing\> watcher, Big Clive did a video about the dangers recently. And the government here actually put out a warning about it.
13:32 <Nothing\> watcher, lol if only huh?
13:47 <watcher> to charge a phone with 1000 watt v5
13:52 <watcher> *5v
14:16 <rust_collector> charging your phone? you should hook your usb lead to the rails on the railway for that
14:26 <Nothing\> watcher, lol that reminds me, apparently I discovered free energy according to somebody on YouTube
14:28 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLYkESlyFUw
14:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Lighting LED from the voltage on a lamp that's turned OFF.
14:34 <Nothing\> that's my video btw
14:46 <watcher> we got only warnings for consumer organistion to not buy and use cheapo phone chargers
14:50 <Nothing\> but the very first comment was a guy saying "dude that's free energy blah blah blah"
14:51 <arch> does anyone have any ideas on what i can do with a spare laser printer?
14:58 <arch> it's super old
15:05 <rust_collector> and you still did not notice that someone is pulling your 3rd leg in the comments?
15:14 <Nothing\> arch, there are a lot of motors in them
15:18 <Kuschelpony> i think the only good way to resuse an microwave transformer id the anode supply for a realyl serious tube amp, otherwise its the most lethal thing in your house
15:30 <Kuschelpony> i meant to reuse without rewinding
15:32 <Nothing\> rust_collector, hehe yeah that's why i asked about halft, silly
15:33 <Nothing\> lol
16:00 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah i'm not even touching the transformers i have
16:06 <arch> i just chop off the secondary and wind like 30 turns - CT - 30 turns, for a ~60VAC audio transformer
16:15 <arch> power trafo for audio amp i mean
16:33 <arch> it's very inefficient however
16:43 <arch> there's too much transformer losses and it heats up quite a bit
16:44 <Nothing\> actually the one transformer is stuck inside the case. The nuts/bolts are so stuck and stripped i'd have to drill them out or cut the steel microwave frame with a dremel or something to get the transformer out of it
17:07 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, so I'm thinking I should just throw it out, transformer and all. I got everything else out of it. Even the front panel lol.
17:41 <rust_collector> they make good door stops
17:42 <Nothing\> been trying to reverse engineer the front panel display and buttons etc but it has a chip in it that i can't find anything about
17:44 <Kuschelpony> oh i would not threo out the transformer but give it to people who can use it
17:56 <Nothing\> also interestingly enough, i noticed the display on this microwave is a VFD
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18:03 <Kuschelpony> just dont attempt to use it to make artistic burns in wood
18:18 <Nothing\> i also noticed if you knock a VFD around a little bit it makes kind of a "twanging" sound
18:23 <Kuschelpony> oh VFS are my asboluze favorite display techm i have lots of them salvaged
18:30 <Nothing\> like when i put it down a bit too hard
18:30 <Kuschelpony> VFD
18:30 <rust_collector> just don't be in circuit, lol
18:40 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, me too man. I dunno what it is about them.
19:01 <rust_collector> well, they look great, that could be part of it
19:02 <Nothing\> actually Kuschelpony
19:04 <Kuschelpony> i do know :)
19:11 <Nothing\> i'm not sure that it's primarily meant to be a display
19:17 <Nothing\> but i am really partial to Williams Tubes
19:20 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_tube
19:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Williams tube - Wikipedia
19:44 <Nothing\> i just like the notion of being able to literally see the bits in your computer's memory
30:02 <watcher> bye bye i will see some of you tomorrow sleep well
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33:36 <Nothing\> yeah i think i'm gonna play one of the games i bought last night
34:38 <Nothing\> friggin ridiculous. I pay $30 and get like 5 games on Steam. But I buy 2 games on the Switch and it comes to over $120 for 2 lol.
47:50 <Kuschelpony> for me its the clear and sharp glow, the nice color
48:05 <Kuschelpony> second to this are LED 7-segment-displays
48:19 <Kuschelpony> williams tubes are fascinating
50:33 <Kuschelpony> i do already have a big collection of scope CRTs around :)
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00:24 <steve30> There's something kinda weird about watching porn, and hearing the camera pick up its own tape motor noise.
01:21 <rust_collector> are you sure it is the camera motor? some times the bedside table motor makes some motor noises...
02:03 <steve30> lol
23:19 <arch> does anyone have recommendations for a small vacuum for sucking up dust from a drill press?
23:32 <arch> right near the drill bit
33:25 <DHess_US> What is wrong with a large vacuum?
33:39 <DHess_US> Small vacuums usually don't suck, which is the problem.
33:53 <DHess_US> Do you need something quiet?
34:20 <arch> yes
34:30 <arch> also i dont have much space
34:41 <DHess_US> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Bucket-Head-5-Gal-1-75-Peak-HP-Wet-Dry-Shop-Vacuum-Powerhead-with-Filter-Bag-and-Hose-compatible-with-5-Gal-Homer-Bucket-BH0100/202017218
34:54 <arch> soo something small as well. i was actually thinking of just 3d printing out an attachment for a small hose to a handheld car vacuum
34:58 <DHess_US> Goes on a standard 5 gallon bucket, so easy to keep clean.
35:41 <arch> yea...5 gallon bucket...is not really the smallest thing lol
36:13 <DHess_US> It is pretty small for a shop vacuum. They make smaller ones though.
36:16 <arch> think ill go with my idea. or see if anyone on thingiverse has an adapter
37:54 <arch> in the meantime i think i will go with my patent pending method of keeping fiberglass particles to a minimum when drilling, by using grease
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02:30 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
02:45 * T3sl4 thugs Halcyon
10:26 * Halcyon group hugs Ampera and T3sl4 
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56:03 <Halcyon> Morning all
57:18 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
57:21 <Ampera> how are you Halcyon friend?
57:23 <Halcyon> \o/
57:29 <Ampera> you got the time for a call?
57:29 <Halcyon> I'm well, how are you?
57:33 <Ampera> good enough
57:46 <Halcyon> Yeh I can do a quick call if you like?
57:51 <Ampera> sure, I'll call you
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43:07 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
58:12 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
58:12 <Halcyon> I need to put clothes on and go to the post office. Apparently I have a parcel waiting or me but I don't recall what I ordered
58:12 <Ampera> my surface pro came in
58:12 <Halcyon> I'm good. How are you?
58:12 <Halcyon> Oh yay!
58:12 <Halcyon> Is it good?
58:12 <rust_collector> nah, tastes plasticky and weird
58:12 <Halcyon> Oh rust_collector, you scoundrel
58:12 <rust_collector> hello
58:12 <EEVBot> Hello, rust_collector!
58:12 <rust_collector> ello mr dave, I very enjoy your videogram, pls tell me how to create inverter 230v 20 apms
58:12 <T3sl4> don't breathe this
58:12 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/r/Eyebleach/Kddv08i
58:12 <EEVBot> [Title] -
58:12 <rust_collector> good night
58:12 <T3sl4> bebe
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58:12 <Ampera> VERSION HexChat 2.16.1 [x64] / Microsoft Windows 11 Home (x64) [11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GHz (2.99GHz)] via ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in
58:12 <Ampera> ALL HAIL THE DARK LORD OF THE TWIN MOONS \o/
58:12 <Halcyon> T3sl4: Stupid cat
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03:53 * electrohead yawns
03:56 <electrohead> o/
03:59 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead
04:08 <electrohead> hey
04:14 <Halcyon> Sup sexy?
04:30 <electrohead> nothing much, fell asleep early, so just waking up for a bit
04:32 <electrohead> you?
04:37 <Halcyon> Working
04:40 <Halcyon> Looking at stuff
06:34 <electrohead> fun :p
06:44 <Halcyon> I'm looking at that recipe site thingo
06:56 <electrohead> well fuck, just checked on ebay - I'm (of course) out bid on the C64
06:57 <Halcyon> Might just go with a Wordpress template or something
07:05 <Halcyon> Aww :(
07:07 <electrohead> oh yeah?
07:27 <electrohead> heh, yeah I never have any luck winning bids anymore
07:28 <Halcyon> Just got to get WP working
07:35 <Halcyon> How much did it go for?
07:52 <electrohead> well, it's still going. I .. just don't have the extra money to put up for it
08:01 * electrohead shrugs
08:05 <Halcyon> :(
08:06 <electrohead> I'll keep trying
08:43 <electrohead> whenever I get a new job, I'll be able to shell out an extra ... fucking 200 dollars, just for a C64, heh
09:09 <electrohead> also, why wordpress?
09:15 <Halcyon> *shrug*
09:22 <electrohead> lol
09:52 <Halcyon> Ampera: That tablet I was looking at, not going to get it. It constantly phones home to Chinese servers and they refuse to comply with GPL
10:12 <Halcyon> So I guess I'll have to look at alternatives
10:55 <electrohead> what tablet?
11:43 <Halcyon> I want to get an Android-based eink/epaper tablet for work stuffs I was originally looking at Onyx Boox Note Air 2.
12:04 <Halcyon> But yeh, made by a Chinese company and it constantly tries to connect back to Tencent and others
13:10 <electrohead> https://remarkable.com/store/remarkable-2
13:12 <Halcyon> They also refuse to release the source code and violate GPL
13:13 <electrohead> ever hear of this?
13:36 <Halcyon> I have, it's way too expensive for what it does, plus you need a monthly paid cloud subscription, plus it's not Android
15:07 <electrohead> you don't need the cloud subscription
15:30 <Halcyon> No, I know, but it's severely limited if you don't have it (and even then, it's still pretty "meh" for what it does)
15:53 <electrohead> ahh, ok
16:03 <Halcyon> Like you I don't believe it allows you to even email documents to yourself without it
16:09 <Halcyon> You have to connect via USB and copy the files over
16:24 <electrohead> I just remember my old boss liking it, because it's very open, and it's a linux machine
17:38 <electrohead> (reference - https://github.com/reMarkable )
19:38 <electrohead> I actually like it, because without the cloud bullshit, the only option is to transfer files via USB - which, I like that lol
23:10 <Halcyon> It's just a very expensive electronic notepad
23:26 <Halcyon> I'd like an Android based device so I can have my email and Microsoft Teams on it as well
25:50 <Halcyon> I was also looking at the Supernote A5X but it's not Android
28:20 <electrohead> just something I found - https://github.com/ddvk/rmfakecloud - heh, looks like some people go all out with that damn thing
29:05 <electrohead> the Supernote A5X looks pretty nice
29:35 <Halcyon> Yeh it's a nice unit
30:00 <electrohead> quad core A35, 2 GB of RAM
30:02 <electrohead> hrmm
30:32 <electrohead> "It is running Android 8.1, whereas the previous generation Supernote A5 was running Linux. "
31:28 <Halcyon> Oh is it Android
31:32 <Halcyon> Just very old
33:38 <electrohead> what version of android would you need to use? o.O
33:40 <electrohead> lol
35:26 <Halcyon> Well seeing as 11 is out, I'd rather not sink good money into a device only to have it made obsolete
36:09 <electrohead> ouch, that has a price of $415 on their site
36:10 <Halcyon> Sorry they're up to 12 now
36:32 <Halcyon> Android 8 hasn't had any security updates since last year
48:03 <electrohead> holy shit, I just saw a slug outside that was a good 5 or 6 inches long
48:06 <electrohead> lol
48:11 <Halcyon> Ew
49:38 <Halcyon> That annoys me about the Boox, the other options are fairly limited
49:40 <Halcyon> *sigh*
49:49 <Halcyon> Maybe I just have to make-do with something like the Remarkable
50:19 <electrohead> yeah it's always a bitch trying to find something decent in specs, price, and what works for you
50:39 <Halcyon> The Boox ticked all the right boxes, but fails in one key area
55:32 * electrohead offers a pencil and paper
55:35 <electrohead> :p
55:42 <Halcyon> I currently use that :P
55:57 <electrohead> lol
56:10 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcNefPQ6fdA
56:29 <Halcyon> Bot broken?
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32:35 <MrMobodies> Hello
46:18 <MrMobodies> In the UK there is going to be a heatwave
46:29 <MrMobodies> 38c today
46:49 <MrMobodies> 41c tomorrow at 2pm
23:54 <Halcyon> Sounds like wonderful weather MrMobodies
24:10 <Halcyon> My lawn was completely white the other morning from frost/ice
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48:50 <Zsjoelfir> mournings
52:39 <DHess_US> The weather has been hot here. Some hobbits ran across the street and threw a ring into my lawn.
54:06 <Zsjoelfir> I would complain, they shouldn't be cluttering other peoples lawns
58:09 <Halcyon> Hello Zsjoelfir
58:20 <Zsjoelfir> Mornings Halcyon
59:07 <Halcyon> How are you sir?
59:28 <Zsjoelfir> way better than friday, where I was a bit sick.
59:33 <Halcyon> Aw *hug*
59:58 <Zsjoelfir> Nah, its fine. I am way better now.
00:03 <Zsjoelfir> but still thanks :)
00:07 * Zsjoelfir hugs Halcyon back
00:14 <Halcyon> \o/
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11:41 <Zsjoelfir> sorry, we installed the VPN client to my works notebook, got a little hickup there. What did you wrote, Halcyon?
11:56 <Halcyon> * Zsjoelfir hugs Halcyon back
11:56 <Halcyon> <Halcyon> \o/
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12:07 <Halcyon> That was all
12:12 <Zsjoelfir> ah. ok, so I didn't miss much ;P
12:16 <Halcyon> Nope
12:32 <Zsjoelfir> and IIIIIII thought you were telling me fascinating, interesting stories! *sniff*#
12:37 <Halcyon> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/does-anyone-here-use-e-ink-e-paper-tablets-for-their-daily-writing-tasks/
12:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Does anyone here use E ink / e-Paper tablets for their daily writing tasks? - Page 1
12:47 <Halcyon> I am researching tablets
12:51 <Halcyon> Any suggestions?
13:23 <Zsjoelfir> not really, I never used one for more than a week as I hate them. But epaper tablets? that sounds extremely usefull
13:41 <Halcyon> Yes, I mean ePaper, not traditional iPad/Android tablets
13:51 <Halcyon> I want something I don't have to charge every day
15:17 <Zsjoelfir> I would love a way to replace those tons of hand written notes... I might want to join your search
15:37 <Zsjoelfir> especially since in this new company I constantly write stuff down, as I have a real task and nice goals to reach
15:48 <Halcyon> I *really* liked the Boox Note Air 2... really nice features, in fact, almost perfect.
15:56 <Halcyon> But Chinese spyware... no thanks.
16:24 <Zsjoelfir> yeah, I just read that. thats very annoying
17:15 <Halcyon> There are ways around it, but can you really trust the solutions? They involve essentially running a VPN server on the device itself, creating a loopback interface and black-holing dodgy servers.
17:24 <Halcyon> I shouldn't have to do that
18:09 <Zsjoelfir> [08:17:40] <Halcyon> I shouldn't have to do that <<<<<<<<< exactly my thought.
31:55 <Halcyon> Zsjoelfir, I found this guy's videos pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYXIlY7ypmg
31:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Complete E-Ink Tablet Buying Guide
32:18 <Zsjoelfir> I will check that out in my lunchbreak :)
32:43 <Zsjoelfir> but from a quick glance over the model you disliked in your thread.... Now I want exactly t hat, but without the call home stupidities
33:05 <Halcyon> Exactly. It even plays videos if you really want it to.
33:12 <Zsjoelfir> and I want a new keyboard that doesn't always type "t hat" and simmilar shit when I want to not type a spacebar
33:16 <Halcyon> Which is disappointing. It has so many features
36:07 <Zsjoelfir> yes. I checked the amazon listing, it is SO nice, I really want such a thing. I always wondered if there is a real digital notebook, but never really looked into it because I thought "meh, who needs that, there is paper and pens..."
36:15 <Zsjoelfir> but this seems just so usefull
37:16 <Halcyon> I find I have paper notes everywhere and I lose thing
37:18 <Halcyon> *things
37:22 <Halcyon> Or forget about things
38:01 <Halcyon> The display is even backlit, which is very nice. Many are not
38:16 <Halcyon> But then again, are you really going to be writing in the dark? Probably not.
41:52 <Halcyon> https://www.quirklogic.com/pages/papyr
41:54 <EEVBot> [Title] -
41:55 <Halcyon> This looks interesting
42:27 <Zsjoelfir> this is exactly the reason. this is now my third week and I have already like... 30 pages of notes scattered around me
43:11 <Halcyon> I don't know about you, but I also find it almost "rude" to be playing with a device in meetings (even if you are taking notes for that particular meeting). However hand writing doesn't seem to have that same stigma to it
44:48 <Zsjoelfir> I totally agree, it FEELS rude for myself doing that, which is why I don't like it. but writing by hand feels totally okay
44:58 <Zsjoelfir> I mean, we are here in germany, a digital third world country
45:18 <Zsjoelfir> everything not written on paper is often recalled as being not noted at all.
45:27 <Zsjoelfir> (also, I have a real bad muscle soreness in my biceps...eses. We went on a fleamarket yesterday and bought a really nice vintage box which I carried home by hand (the misses helped for a bit but got exhausted^^)
45:29 <Halcyon> I think part of it is, you can write, and not take your eyes off someone talking. You don't have to be hidden behind a screen/keyboard, you can just place it off to the side.
46:28 <Halcyon> When are if you're typing with an on-screen keyboard, you really need to look at what you're doing and it's very easy to get distracted
46:38 <Zsjoelfir> yep, exactly. though I can type without looking at the screen, which is what I do just now. I am looking towards the walll to my right, not checking anything, because I am curious right now how good the text turns out. I know I can type nearly flawless in german that way, and fast as well, but never tried it in englich I think
47:04 <Zsjoelfir> looks decent enough^^
47:24 <Halcyon> Indeed, but that's with a normal keyboard I'm assuming?
47:52 <Halcyon> Not really practical in a meeting setting or if you just need to take down quick notes on the road
47:53 <Zsjoelfir> yes. That would not be possible with a touchscreen, of coursel
48:36 <Halcyon> I like the larger size of the Quirklogic
48:53 <Halcyon> Standard A4 "page" size
48:57 <Zsjoelfir> I just read in your topic the coimment from muttley snickers. made me chuckle ;P
49:03 <Zsjoelfir> Quirklogic? link?
49:12 <Halcyon> I linked above
49:20 <Halcyon> <Halcyon> https://www.quirklogic.com/pages/papyr
49:20 <EEVBot> [Title] -
49:23 <Zsjoelfir> oh, I have missed that
49:25 <Zsjoelfir> sorry
49:33 <Halcyon> I know nothing about it, I only just found it
49:44 <Zsjoelfir> that thing is thin
49:48 <Zsjoelfir> holy cow
50:32 <Halcyon> Apparently now with a lot of these tablets is they use Aluminium and use a kind of potting compound in the structure to strengthen/stiffen them
50:58 <Halcyon> 349 grams for the Papyr. It's lighter, yet bigger than the A5X
51:11 <Zsjoelfir> which probably makes them completely non-fixable (which will be not allowed anymore by the end of the year in europe), but.. that thing looks really nice
51:18 <Zsjoelfir> though I hate the fake look of their "model"
51:33 <Halcyon> I think that Youtuber I linked you to reviews it
51:41 <Halcyon> I find his videos quite easy to watch and unbiased
53:16 <Zsjoelfir> ah, ok. I have that on standby for my lunchbreak (the big one, not the short 15 minute one that starts in 7 minutes.)
54:00 <Halcyon> I'm currently watching it... I would be curious to hear your thoughts after you've seen it too
54:23 <Zsjoelfir> speaking of that, I really like this habit in this company. We all* gather at 9 for a quick 15 minute lunch in the common room and discuss our private whereabouts. feels... charming.
54:44 <Zsjoelfir> I will be happy to give you my thoughts. lunch is at 1230, will you be still up than?
54:47 <Zsjoelfir> EEVBot time Halcyon
54:48 <EEVBot> It is currently 2022/07/18 16:54:48 where Halcyon resides.
55:05 <Zsjoelfir> that would be 2030 your time, so probably?
58:19 <Halcyon> Sounds good
58:51 <Zsjoelfir> good
58:56 <Zsjoelfir> so, small lunch starting: now
58:57 <Zsjoelfir> brb
59:05 <Halcyon> Enoy
59:07 <Halcyon> *enjoy
01:26 <DHess_US> <Zsjoelfir> speaking of that, I really like this habit in this company. We all* gather at 9 for a quick 15 minute lunch in the common room and discuss our private whereabouts. feels... charming.
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01:28 <DHess_US> https://www.gocomics.com/garfield/1983/08/14
01:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Garfield by Jim Davis for August 14, 1983 - GoComics
01:51 <DHess_US> Huh, I guess that method works.
01:55 <Halcyon> Heh
02:02 <Halcyon> I'm sure he'll be back
02:26 <DHess_US> What, is he the terminator? Did I just knock off the terminator?
03:47 <Halcyon> Let's go with that
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31:15 * Halcyon hugs Ysjoelfir 
31:29 <Halcyon> *Zsjoelfir
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32:12 <Zsjoelfir> I hate it when windows decides that now, that I logged out, is a good moment for automatic updates. thanks for not asking me to save my work, fucker
32:16 <Halcyon> So I've basically come down to 2 options. But I don't want to skew your thoughts before you've had a chance to watch
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34:01 <Zsjoelfir> yep, thats a good idea not to do that, Halcyon :)
34:18 <watcher> Hello Halcyon and Zsjoelfir
34:25 <Zsjoelfir> hi watcher
34:59 <watcher> Halcyon i have listed to your online radio show last weekend
35:15 <Halcyon> That's DogWomble's show mostly
35:19 <watcher> DogWomble sended my the link for it
35:22 <Halcyon> I'm just a guest from time to time
36:09 <Zsjoelfir> huh?
36:43 <Zsjoelfir> are you wombling the doggy from time to time? and that live on radio?
37:03 <Halcyon> Indeed
37:36 <Zsjoelfir> :O
37:39 <Zsjoelfir> why didn't I know?
37:58 <Halcyon> *shrug*
38:59 <watcher> is it legal in upside down land to wombling a dog?
39:32 <watcher> by a human
39:39 <watcher> not another dog?
39:46 <Halcyon> This might also be of interest to you Ysjoelfir / Zsjoelfir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naoPjes_ZVQ
39:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Supernote vs Remarkable vs Quirklogic vs Boox - live detailed comparison
40:06 <Halcyon> It's long though, I'd recommend the first video to view first
40:25 <Zsjoelfir> ah nice. can you repost the other link as well pls? as I don't save logs on the work laptop I lost it when the thing decided to do its update in my lunch...
41:08 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYXIlY7ypmg
41:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Complete E-Ink Tablet Buying Guide
42:17 <Zsjoelfir> thanks
42:25 <Zsjoelfir> opened them in the browser now so that I don't loose em again
43:37 <Halcyon> I am watching the longer one now, I feel it will probably answer a lot of questions from the shorter one?
44:53 <Zsjoelfir> maybe?
48:27 <Zsjoelfir> interesting. the thing didn't reboot because of an update, but because it "was shutdown unexpectedly at 8:49" when I was actively working on it before the lunch break, and that happened because of " ".
56:10 <K> hello rice
56:18 <Halcyon> Hello quinoa
56:19 <EEVBot> Hello, Halcyon!
59:10 <Zsjoelfir> Hello EEVBot
59:16 <Zsjoelfir> Hello Barley
59:29 * Zsjoelfir hands Ampera another barley
59:45 <Zsjoelfir> (gave him one already yesterday in minecraft when we played with mr electrohead)
03:50 <K> barley working eh
04:07 <Zsjoelfir> actually pretty hard working
04:12 <Zsjoelfir> at least right now
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00:07 <steve30> hi
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00:18 <Zsjoelfir> hi steve30
01:10 * DogWomble peers in
01:24 * Zsjoelfir asks Halcyon to womble the dog
01:46 <watcher> /me cheers to daddesio
01:46 <steve30> well, sleeping doesn't seem to have cured my headache
01:55 * watcher cheers to DogWomble
02:30 <DogWomble> i am looking forward to sleep
02:35 <steve30> I'm going out in the sunshine later. Its forecast to be 37C today
02:46 <DogWomble> my body is still recovering from doinng 17 hours work between 7am friday and 7am saturday
02:55 <Zsjoelfir> 37C, holy cow
03:16 <watcher> around the same here today
03:27 <Zsjoelfir> 17 hours of work, equally holy chicken pate
03:32 <watcher> to morrow 39C
03:33 <DogWomble> or as we australians call it, just a standard summer
03:52 <DogWomble> yeah, 17 hours work in a day is a bit rough, but the overtime will be good
03:53 <watcher> 39C is record warm
04:13 <Zsjoelfir> and I wondered why mr. boss was like "if it gets too hot up there (/me has his office on the top floor) please come down into the hall and we build you a desk t here
04:24 Nick: Spartacus is now known as TheSpaniel
04:34 <K> hawt
04:39 <DogWomble> and my third pop vinyl for my desk at work has arrived today
04:46 <DogWomble> i now have Danger Mouse, Inspector Gadget, and Penny
05:53 * Halcyon mews at Zsjoelfir 
06:04 <Halcyon> I ordered a tablet just now. Won't say which one
06:08 * Zsjoelfir mows Halcyon
06:12 <Zsjoelfir> ok
06:29 <Halcyon> Until you've decided :P
07:04 <Halcyon> Then I can explain my rationale
07:45 <DogWomble> Halcyon,hopefully not an ipad
07:55 <Halcyon> No no
08:02 <Halcyon> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/does-anyone-here-use-e-ink-e-paper-tablets-for-their-daily-writing-tasks/
08:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Does anyone here use E ink / e-Paper tablets for their daily writing tasks? - Page 1
08:06 <Halcyon> For context
09:08 * steve30 suggests paracetamol tablets
09:18 <Halcyon> I prefer Ibuprofen
09:23 <Halcyon> Not as damaging to the liver
09:58 * Zsjoelfir agrees
10:40 <watcher> is Ibuprofen also as adicted als paracetamol?
10:54 <DogWomble> i tend to go for paracetamol, but then when i had covid earlier this year that was the first time i needed paracetamol in years
10:55 <Halcyon> I don't think either are classified as addictive ?
11:04 <DogWomble> though i do also like having a supply of nurofen
11:14 <steve30> neither are addictive
11:14 <watcher> Halcyon normally yes
11:27 <DogWomble> i've heard of one case of being addicted to panaadol, i think it's possible, just not particularly common
11:35 <watcher> but there are poeple for like 20 year addicted to paracematol
11:39 <Zsjoelfir> I tend to mostly use ibu or nurofen, nurofen if I notice "this is going to be migraine", ibu for mild pain
12:00 <Halcyon> That's probably not due to the drug itself, but rather a mental issue surrounding pain medication generally
12:32 <Halcyon> Ibuprofen/Nurofen... I use them interchangeably. The core ingredients are the same
12:35 <DogWomble> yeah, i haven't had to use nurfon in well over 20 years, but when i had an infection that was also causing my back to spasm, they're about the only over the counter thing that worked
12:54 <steve30> An e-ink tablets is actually a good idea.
12:59 <watcher> those poeple yet headaches if they dont use paracetamol
13:07 <Halcyon> steve30, I've been thinking about one for months
13:07 <DogWomble> i seem to recalll nurofen has something else in it that acts as an anti inflammatory, whcih is probably why it worked
13:08 <Zsjoelfir> wait, what that nurofen I refered to? let me check
13:36 <Halcyon> Ibuprofen is the active ingredient
13:42 <Zsjoelfir> oh no
13:42 <Halcyon> Neurofen is just a brand
13:43 <Zsjoelfir> it was Naproxen
13:44 <steve30> Yesterday, when I was in the park identifying as a women, I filled in a survey on a tablet; in bright sunlight, with polarised sunglassses on. I could hardly see it.
14:56 <Halcyon> steve30, most tablets don't have polarisers fitted to them for that reason. Unless they were using a case/screen protector etc... that did?
15:08 <Zsjoelfir> I thought you identified as a plane?
15:52 <Zsjoelfir> Halcyon - I noticed that exact problem recently when I rode my bike and wanted to use the navigation on my phone. when I had it in landscape mode I couldn't see shit, when it was in portrait it was fine
16:09 <Halcyon> Interesting. Which phone?
16:15 <Zsjoelfir> erm
16:19 <Zsjoelfir> let me check
16:19 <steve30> Halcyon, don't know, but my sunglasses are prescription so if I took them off i couldn't see a thing anyway
16:50 <steve30> Zsjoelfir, I do, but yesterday's event was for people who identify as women, so I varied it a bit :)
16:56 <Zsjoelfir> Redmi Note 9 Plus (the note 9 plus for europe, not the note 9 plus from india that is the note 9 without plus in germany, or whatever)
17:04 <Zsjoelfir> aaaah, nice steve30
17:09 <Zsjoelfir> I would have done the same
17:36 <steve30> Halcyon, my FruityPhone has weird colour artifacts when viewed through a polariser
17:54 <steve30> Zsjoelfir, I was honest on the tablet computer survey though, and said I was male.
18:12 <Halcyon> The colour artefacts are normal when you have one polarising filter and one perhaps glass filter with a layer?
18:43 <Zsjoelfir> I haven't had any artifacts, it just went pitch black :D
18:51 <Zsjoelfir> steve, ok, I am not sure if I would have
18:54 <Halcyon> Yeh that's two polarising layers
19:02 <Halcyon> If it just goes black
20:00 <steve30> I'm taking my murder-weapon-camcorder out later. That has a CRT display, so I can view that easily through sunglasses.
20:31 <Halcyon> The plastic on calculator is usually polarised
20:45 <Halcyon> *calculator displays
24:11 <steve30> Its forecast to be 40C tomorrow
24:11 <steve30> https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcrpcne2z#?date=2022-07-18
24:33 <Halcyon> It's (literally) the polar opposite here. It's been fucking cold.
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24:52 <K> it is around 20 here, with chance of random rain
24:56 <K> is ok.
25:03 <steve30> Did you send your hot beach guys up here :p ?
25:16 <Halcyon> I sent a memo
25:26 <Nero_wrk> hello
25:38 <Halcyon> Evening Nero_wrk
25:57 <watcher> Hi Nero_wrk
26:06 <Nero_wrk> well, its 11:25 am for me, so monin Halcyon and watcher
28:27 <Halcyon> Where are you Nero_wrk ?
28:45 <Nero_wrk> Belgium
28:46 <Halcyon> Apart from work :P
29:05 <Halcyon> I feel like I've asked before but I lose track of where everyone is from
29:37 <Halcyon> electrohead, feature request for the bot
30:50 <watcher> Nero_wrk you part the frech or dutch speaking part?
31:11 <watcher> *you is wich
31:34 <Nero_wrk> I'm part of the dutch speaking part
32:36 <Nero_wrk> I live quite close to the french speaking part, but I'm currently hiding from the heat wave in my parent's house (since they have AC, and my gf's appartment, where I live, does not)
33:11 <steve30> Halcyon, there were a couple of cute twunks at the gym yesterday
34:33 <Halcyon> Meh
34:40 <Halcyon> Give me a twink any day
35:53 <steve30> I was watching some twink porn yesterday, but was slightly distracted by the tape motor noise since they were using the camcorders built in microphone.
36:12 <K> the nerve on some ppl!
36:21 <steve30> hehe
37:16 <Halcyon> How rude
37:24 <Halcyon> At least use an external mic
37:30 <Halcyon> (also, how old was this porn?)
38:06 <steve30> Probably from about 2010. I used to watch said porn star years ago. No idea what he's doing now, but I know he studied computing at university.
38:15 <Halcyon> Name?
38:17 <K> maybe that was some artisnaal-hipster porn, making a statement
38:38 <Halcyon> https://twitter.com/VintageNewOld/status/1548809172774522880
38:50 <Halcyon> Also, that's pretty fricken cool
38:58 <steve30> nice wall
39:14 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/user/DrakeBlaize/videos
39:38 <steve30> He did a youtube channel years ago
39:57 <Halcyon> Yeh he isn't bad
43:33 * steve30 wonders if Halcyon would be any good at porn
44:13 <Halcyon> Define "good"
47:10 <Nero_wrk> well this is akward
47:26 <Nero_wrk> my university has added the domain of my new startup to it's spam/phishing list
47:46 <Nero_wrk> so I cannot send emails from my startup email to anyone that works at the university
48:00 * Nero_wrk is gonna have some firm words with IT
48:11 <Halcyon> I was probably automated
48:19 <Halcyon> Untrusted until proven otherwise
48:21 <Nero_wrk> I know, but it is somewhat inconvenient
48:24 <Nero_wrk> :p
48:35 <Halcyon> This is why I use Google Workspace for email
48:47 <Halcyon> At least it's mostly trusted worldwide
51:41 <Nero_wrk> indeed
55:38 <Nero_wrk> sigh I should have known
55:48 <Nero_wrk> "You need to file a ticket for that before we can look at the problem"
56:16 <Nero_wrk> fkin IT and their tickets (and yes I know there is a good reason why they demand tickets for everything because that is how you prevent IT just turning into chaos but still)
56:48 <Halcyon> I understand that, but also, they could have just created the ticket on behalf of you.... if they gave a crap
58:22 <Nero_wrk> yeah indeed, didn't even think of that
58:27 <Nero_wrk> but well, ticket has been created
58:57 * K tickets Nero_wrk
58:59 <Halcyon> Did you write "see email"
59:00 <Halcyon> Hahah
59:47 <Nero_wrk> haha that would have been a good idea but no, I just copy-pasted the mail contents
00:51 <Halcyon> steve30: https://twitter.com/Nayomaise_plays/status/1548651411965202434
00:56 <Halcyon> Does that really need to be said?
01:46 <steve30> the press usually try and capitalise on vagina related stuff
01:59 <Halcyon> Why? Vagina's are gross
02:27 <steve30> 90% of the population would disagree with you
02:32 <Halcyon> I feel this one is relevant to Ampera: https://twitter.com/oodleofspoodle/status/1548725115600248832
03:15 <steve30> Halcyon, do you have a 4k monitor?
03:18 <Halcyon> I do
03:25 <Halcyon> Both on my laptop and external
04:15 <steve30> Here's Saturday's alphabet-soup in 4K
04:15 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6oSEt2ULQc
04:34 <Nero_wrk> now back to my favorite part of thesis writing: Tracing plots because you cannot be bothered to find the exact matlab script you used to create that original plot 4 years ago
04:42 <steve30> Apart from the guy with the sun tan, do let me know if you can see any gays in that :D
04:57 <Halcyon> Looks nice, you can tell the frame rate is on the low side
05:42 <Halcyon> Yeh that guy with the tan needs to reconsider his live choices. He looks awful
06:21 <steve30> its 50fps
06:24 <Halcyon> I wouldn't even call it a tan at that point... rather "overdone bacon"
07:14 <Halcyon> I think Youtube is messing with it
07:28 <Halcyon> When I reloaded it, it seemed smoother
07:33 <steve30> probably, but it plays at 50 here (albeit scaled down to my hd monitor)
08:00 <Halcyon> Also Youtube is dropping lots of frames
08:04 <Halcyon> Reasons unknown
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13:06 <steve30> ah... the mysteries of youtube
15:36 <Halcyon> I blame the NBN
15:39 <Halcyon> Until I get fibre
15:50 <Nero_wrk> the plot thickens: The IT department blames another IT department for my blocked email
17:28 <Halcyon> Ahhh the old "Oh, that's "infrastructure's" problem"
17:40 <Nero_wrk> is there a way to see the exact second an email was sent?
18:19 <Nero_wrk> they need to know which email it was exactly (for some reason, I imagined it was just adding our domain to the list of exceptions or something) and since they process literally tens of thousands of mails each minute, the minute is noth really sufficient
18:27 <Nero_wrk> or the mail id, what the hell is a mail id
18:27 <Halcyon> Yes, look at the headers
19:05 <Halcyon> The email ID is also in the headers
19:12 <Halcyon> Just copy/paste the whole thing to them
45:33 <Ampera> https://i.imgur.com/g32hDlf.png
45:36 <Zsjoelfir> Halcyon, rightt now I personally would think that remarkable2 thing looks like a very good compromise to me
45:39 <Ampera> drove past this after it happened last night
46:09 <Zsjoelfir> whoops?
46:17 <Ampera> was pretty gnarly
46:34 <Ampera> looked like a truck and a car, with one obviously better off than the other
49:54 <Zsjoelfir> Halcyon, otoh the supernote looks also very cool
50:22 <Zsjoelfir> Ampera, well, those things happen, sadly. but... yeah, can't really do anything about it
57:16 * steve30 coffees
08:16 <Halcyon> Interesting Zsjoelfir
08:20 <Halcyon> Why you say that?
08:26 * Halcyon kisses Ampera 
09:04 * Ampera head-on's Halcyon 
09:38 <Nero_wrk> What are the usual topics discussed here these days?
09:58 <Ampera> depression, angst, electronics, politics, depravity
10:08 <Halcyon> And the gays
10:14 <Ampera> see the last item
10:15 <steve30> computers, boys, etc
10:17 <Nero_wrk> not the gays! Think of the children!
10:56 <Ampera> do I have to think about kids? it makes me uncomfortable
12:07 <Nero_wrk> lol
12:10 <K> bananatiem
13:55 <Halcyon> What children? I don't want children
14:05 <Ampera> but you are children, Halcyon
14:13 <steve30> I was actually quite impressed with the "Pinknic" this weekend. There were no security staff, and no mentions of covid-19 or monkey pox.
14:36 <steve30> I'd suggest trying to get Halcyon pregnant, but he's a top :p
15:04 <Nero_wrk> hehe
17:19 <Zsjoelfir> Halcyon, I say that because I was pretty impressed by the description of the useability of the supernote, but the remarkable would be (software-wise) better in terms of what I would do with it, judged only by the small 30 minute video
17:39 <Nero_wrk> what is the supernote
17:55 <Zsjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYXIlY7ypmg
17:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Complete E-Ink Tablet Buying Guide
18:07 <Nero_wrk> oh
18:12 <Nero_wrk> yeah don'thave money for those yet
18:18 <Nero_wrk> starting companies be expensive
18:37 <Zsjoelfir> what did you start?
19:10 <Nero_wrk> officially, nothing yet
19:32 <Nero_wrk> me and 3 colleagues are currently incubating at our university (so we don't have a legal entity yet)
20:03 <Nero_wrk> we want to found a company that does communication over dielectric waveguides for a number of applications like automotive, robotics, datacenter
21:37 <Nero_wrk> We just got a 100k grant approved this week, so that helps
21:42 <Nero_wrk> though 100k is nowhere near enough
21:48 <Zsjoelfir> that sounds highly fascinating and expensife
21:55 <Zsjoelfir> *expensive
22:21 <Nero_wrk> actually, it should be far cheaper than optical and copper for short/medium range interconnect in harsh environments (1-10 meters, 25-100 gbit/s)
22:32 <Nero_wrk> if it isn't, we're fucked :p
22:38 <Zsjoelfir> lol
23:14 <Nero_wrk> but getting to the point where you can deliver 5million units per year is a expensive path indeed
23:42 <steve30> "Take heat seriously and do not travel, public urged. The Met office has issued the first red heat warning over extreme temperatures and danger to life in much of England."
24:07 <Zsjoelfir> tell that hsn, steve30 :P
24:09 <steve30> Halcyon, any opinions on that as someone who lives in a hot climate?
24:18 <Nero_wrk> like, that 100k: our initial tapeout: easily 50k. Initial packaging run: 35k. PCBs, components, housing, assembly, another 15-25k
24:37 <Nero_wrk> and then you didn't pay for software, computers, your own sallery, etc
24:39 <Zsjoelfir> Nero_wrk - that sounds like it, yes. but still... if it is a viable thing, why not try it?
24:45 <Nero_wrk> indeed
25:46 <Nero_wrk> packaging is the biggest nightmare right now
26:18 <Nero_wrk> IC industry has great frameworks for low-cost tapeouts (where lowcost is 50k isntead of 2mil) for prototyping, but there are no good setups for packaging
26:50 <Halcyon> steve30, you guys just aren't used to it
27:39 <Ampera> yeah it's like snow in texas
27:45 <Ampera> a little bit shuts down the whole fucking operation
28:01 <Ampera> whereas here you'd need at least 2-3 feet to shut things down any serious amount of time
28:30 <steve30> yeah, a couple of snowflakes and everything stops here
29:17 <Ampera> steve30, well in your case that's for political reasons
30:00 <steve30> hehe
30:07 * steve30 deems cold winter weather a hate crime
30:31 <Zsjoelfir> Nero_wrk, I see the problem there. But I am confident that a good idea will find a way to make a market impact. Do you have an idea how to call your company?
30:44 <Nero_wrk> we have a name and everything already, apheniox
31:03 <Zsjoelfir> where does that come from?
31:49 <Ampera> hrm, am debating what I should eat today
32:21 <Ampera> I think either steak, rainbow trout, or indomie goreng
32:38 <Ampera> any thoughts, Halcyon?
32:39 <Zsjoelfir> trout.
32:50 <Nero_wrk> long story, and not an elegant one lol. We were originally astralis, but that is also a esports team, so we couldn't get the domain, and google results were filled with esports. We then wanted apheliox, which came from aphelion (place that the earth is furthest from sun I think?) but people struggled to pronounce it, so we changed it to apheniox, which sounds cool, and has a bit of 'phenix' in it which sounds like rising from the ashes, which we kin
32:56 <Halcyon> Noodles, always
33:47 <Ampera> and here I was thinking steak :P
33:51 <Ampera> great now I'm just as lost as I was before :D
34:00 <Ampera> I think I'll go for some tea right now though
40:07 <steve30> I haven't had trout for a long time
48:12 <Ampera> I have two packages of two rainbow trouts in my freeze
48:23 <Ampera> I took out a steak, later today I can decide between steak and noodles
48:44 <Ampera> fish is good, but it might better for camping or something. Unless I fire up the grill or broiler it's a bit hard to cook whole fish like that indoors
49:09 <Zsjoelfir> thats true
49:51 <steve30> i have some haddock in the freezer
00:18 * electrohead yawns and waves
03:46 * Ampera hugs and kisses electrohead 
12:47 * steve30 fires some heat at electrohead 
18:07 <electrohead> yo
18:13 <electrohead> I don't want to, no!
18:16 * electrohead runs back to bed
25:01 <Zsjoelfir> did I really just read that in this users guide of the productt I am redesigning?
25:13 <Zsjoelfir> 3.17.4 Binary Output Power Dissipation
25:13 <Zsjoelfir> About 0.17W is dissipated for each activated binary output. 0.17W is not much, but if possible, it is better to
25:14 <Zsjoelfir> design the output logic in such a way that binary outputs are most likely in the open state. This might however
25:14 <Zsjoelfir> be difficult because only closing contacts are available on the DEA.
25:23 <Zsjoelfir> I mean, seriously?
25:33 <Ampera> lol
26:06 * K non-binaries Ampera
26:22 * Ampera androgynizes K 
26:30 <Zsjoelfir> "please use the device in a way that it doesn't offer at all. but please do that anyway because its better."
26:34 <K> oh no mah jewels
35:30 * Zsjoelfir approaches K with scissors
37:50 <K> nein! verboten!
38:20 <Zsjoelfir> oh
38:20 <Zsjoelfir> ok
38:54 * Zsjoelfir returns with the scissors to the neatly wrapped present and stores it away
50:42 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
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