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00:08 <TheDude> doesn't even need to be a tractor trailer, a box truck would be just fine
00:29 <Ampera> I'd drive a tractor bobtail, but not with a trailer
00:45 <rust1> I would like to try some truck wiht an eaton twin splitter again.
09:31 <rust1> that was an enjoyable box to use.
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24:04 * electrohead yawns
24:21 * rust1 still coffes as hard as he can
25:12 * electrohead goes poof
25:26 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
25:29 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
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05:54 <electrohead> Ampera: good here, just got off the phone
05:59 <Ampera> nice
06:02 <electrohead> how about you?
06:02 <Ampera> we should do a call some time
06:09 <Ampera> I am trying out a new way to update FreeBSD
06:27 * electrohead kicks it
06:29 <Ampera> building from source, and using their provided make scripts to update the install
06:30 <electrohead> did that help? lol
06:40 <Ampera> this means that I can, hopefully, automate the process
06:45 <electrohead> there you go
06:49 <Ampera> since freebsd-update is a nightmare to automate and takes forever for nothing
07:00 <Ampera> and I do not like the way templates work for jails
07:18 <Ampera> The only other alternative I've tried to entertain is to, instead of updating my jails, destroy and remake them every single time
07:26 <electrohead> does an automated way already exist?
07:28 <Ampera> because that process would be very possible to automate it
07:32 <Ampera> not really
07:36 <electrohead> gah, that sucks
07:40 <Ampera> The official guidance is templates
07:46 <Ampera> but that means everything in /etc is read-only and shared
08:00 <Ampera> and I have to make a lot of manual exceptions for what is not, and there's a bunch of pain with union mounts and nullfs
08:22 <Ampera> I'd rather be able to make any arbitrary modification I want to any jail I have.
12:18 <electrohead> yeah that seems reasonable for what you want to do
12:44 <Ampera> There's a lot of benefit to jails being disposable. It means I can recreate it anywhere I want, and it's always left in a clean state
13:10 * electrohead yawns and looks for the coffee
13:15 <electrohead> I'm fighting staying awake
13:34 <Ampera> looks like it went well on my security jail
13:35 <electrohead> got to bed at 0500, so .. don't mind me, if I stop talking
13:45 <Ampera> I think I'll go forward on my web and db jails now
13:51 <Ampera> lol
13:57 <Ampera> man I kinda miss being able to do that
14:10 <Ampera> the feeling of going to bed right when the sun starts coming up is amazing
14:25 <Ampera> being up so long at night, just the feeling of being completely alone
14:33 <Ampera> everyone online is in bed, there's nobody out there on the streets
14:54 <electrohead> well, I had friends stop down; me and my buddy stayed up until roughly 5, the misses layed down way earlier than that, and their kid went to bed the earliest
15:08 <electrohead> yeah, there's three other people here lol
15:19 <electrohead> they are at the store right now, so I have chat time, heh
15:30 <Ampera> misses?
15:35 <Ampera> you're speaking like Ysjoelfir now :P
15:41 <electrohead> lol :P
15:44 <Ampera> is she live-in?
15:54 <electrohead> nah, they are from pennsylvania
16:01 <electrohead> they got here at like, 0100
16:09 <Ampera> still, nice that you have someone
16:27 <electrohead> oh oh
16:36 <electrohead> "the misses" - my friend's girlfriend
16:39 <electrohead> sorry for confusion
16:42 <Ampera> lol
16:43 <Ampera> okay
17:01 <electrohead> I'm not used to staying up that late, plus we had a few beers
17:11 <electrohead> my mind isn't liking this, heh
17:27 <Ampera> for years of my life I got used to my sleep patterns being literally whatever
17:37 <Ampera> I had no obligations or things to do for a little while, so it got pretty nuts
17:45 <Ampera> it was nice, though. You're basically immune to jetlag
17:54 <electrohead> lol, yeah I was like that back in my younger days
18:15 <Ampera> Right now, my sleep alternates between being biphasic, with a nap in the evening, followed by a few hours of activity, and sleep till the morning
18:23 <Ampera> and just a normal sleep at 10 up at 5-6
18:25 <electrohead> nowadays? I pull an overnighter, and my brain/body goes into this weird *woop woop danger* mode, lol
19:27 <Ampera> I think I'm probably gonna combine methods
19:43 <Ampera> I'm gonna compile the base system, and then use that to rebuild all my jails
19:51 <electrohead> you know the woop woop pull up sound I'm talking about from a cockpit? yeah, I totally tried to type that out, and realized "woop woop danger" can look stupid
19:55 <Ampera> 40 cores compiles all of FreeBSD pretty quick
20:06 <Ampera> I got the jist
20:07 <Ampera> gist
20:08 <electrohead> 40 cores sounds lovely
20:09 <Ampera> whatever
20:10 <electrohead> :p
20:14 <Ampera> yeah but they're pretty potato cores
20:19 <Ampera> Westmere-EX, so like 12 years old
20:36 <Ampera> On paper it's about half the performance of a 3950x, so like an 8 core modern Ryzen
20:49 <Ampera> actually, that kinda puts it on par to my laptop
20:53 <electrohead> I would kill for better hardware right now, for the server setup
20:54 <Ampera> workload depending of course
21:05 <Ampera> This is an ebay server
21:13 <Ampera> but honestly, doing what I did is a BAD idea
21:20 <Ampera> I did it because I wanted to, not because it's financially smart
21:28 <Ampera> financially smart is buying a VPS from Oracle or DO or someone
21:49 <Ampera> because I pay around 100-200USD/mo in power alone
21:54 <Ampera> even if all they ever do is idle and run my ZNC
22:00 <electrohead> lmao
22:11 <electrohead> yeah I have nothing but ebay specials :p
22:27 <electrohead> actually, I do have a full size server in the one closet
22:29 <Ampera> both my servers are ebay specials, though one I built myself.
22:41 <electrohead> but, I totally can't afford to run that currently
22:51 <electrohead> well, ok ok, I probably could, to think about it
22:54 <Ampera> I actually need to do some physical maintenance very soon
22:56 <electrohead> but, it needs hard drives
23:09 <Ampera> ...to install some hard drives >.>
23:13 <Ampera> and a couple SAS cables
23:28 <Ampera> nothing like hauling a big 4U server onto a table to work on it
23:28 <electrohead> I need 2.5 inch drives for that full size server
23:33 <Ampera> goHardDrive
23:36 <electrohead> it was cheap on ebay, and said fuck it
23:37 <Ampera> their shit's good
23:51 <electrohead> yeah I literally can't buy much right now, money is that tight
24:04 <Ampera> I know, just saying
24:14 <Ampera> my 40 core server has 8 LFF drive bays
24:21 <electrohead> I already have a bunch of drives saved though, from goharddrive
24:24 <Ampera> I think I have 4x900GB 10k, and 4x300GB 10k
24:43 <Ampera> I need to get my neighbor to do something with his fuckin time
24:54 <Ampera> he's a great friend, but he just sits around all day, when he needs to just be doing work
25:14 <electrohead> sounds like me currently :D
25:24 <Ampera> Like, I mean shit he can do sitting down
25:33 <electrohead> lol
25:37 <Ampera> he's a mason, among other things, so I'm gonna suggest he make like stone lions or something
25:46 <electrohead> however though, I'm totally looking and applying
25:57 <Ampera> something he can take his time with and make some cash on. Don't need to haul stone all day, and can have fun with it
26:01 <electrohead> yeah
26:04 <Ampera> That reminds me
26:10 <Ampera> bother me on monday to get you those job listings we talked about
26:26 <electrohead> sounds good
26:54 <electrohead> heh, I have the imposter syndrome 'thing' going on currently
29:40 <Ampera> man, make installworld still takes ages, but it's a damn sight faster than freebsd-update
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05:31 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://imgur.com/gallery/vknz2WU
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07:36 <jaymax> They will be at that for quite some time.
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39:04 <steve30> I've been out with my enormous camcorder again. My joints are not pleased.
39:19 <steve30> Anyway, I now have about 6 hours worth of footage to cut down into 10 minutes.
39:22 <Ampera> buuuuuns
43:05 * steve30 ponders popping out for some chips
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51:10 <Nothing\> hey, lemme ask you astronomy nerds something
51:27 <Nothing\> have any of you ever seen the Andromeda Galaxy with your naked eye?
52:18 <Nothing\> Cuz I've been trying for years, though I live in the city. And could never see anything that was certain. But that whole area is fully of very dim, "fuzzy" stars you can only see out of the corner of your eye.
52:46 <Nothing\> But even looking with a rather strong pair of 15x binoculars, I either wasn't able to find it, or wasn't able to see it, being in the city.
53:49 <Nothing\> from what I understand it's pretty spread out. But it's also supposed to be fairly bright in terms of its magnitude. But I don't know if that's the magnitude of the entire object summed together. Or just the magnitude of the brightest point. Or how that work. With a star it's usually a given that the magnitude originates from a singular point.
54:19 <Nothing\> But I understand galaxies are more nebulous in their appearance. Being kind of hazy of smudged looking.
55:03 <Nothing\> i've only ever seen one nebula first hand though, the famous Orion Nebula. Which you couldn't miss for the life of you, provided you know what to look for.
55:49 <Nothing\> Even before I knew what it was it fascinated me because it's just this fuzzy smudge of blue glow with maybe a few stars visible in it. Very unlike anything else in the night sky.
02:04 <Nothing\> oh, also
02:37 <Nothing\> since nobody's here, i'm gonna post this interesting tidbit i just noticed in my buffer history from last night
02:56 <Nothing\> oh wtf where'd it go
02:58 <TheDude> I'm here, I just refuse to respond
03:04 <Nothing\> ctrl+f won't even work
03:12 <Nothing\> TheDude, most people do. I don't mind.
04:22 <Nothing\> what i'm doing aside from barfing my inner monologue into the channel is sort of throwing various topics at a wall to "see what sticks" in terms of striking up a conversation or hitting on a subject that interests or is relevant to somebody who may be reading or may read at a later point
04:27 <Nothing\> ideally, anyways
05:07 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
05:45 <TheDude> I have very little knowledge of astronomy, so I can't really partake in the convo
06:19 * Ampera is having cajun boil
06:25 <TheDude> looking at pretty pictures that james webb makes is about where my interest stops
06:53 <Ampera> crawfish, clams, scallops, shrimp, corn, sausage, potatoes
07:14 <TheDude> that sounds pretty good
07:16 <TheDude> pics?
08:06 <Ampera> when round 2 is done
09:34 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
09:37 <Nothing\> how you doing buddy?
09:37 <Nothing\> also
09:50 * Nothing\ jumps enthusiastically into Ampera's big, strong arms
09:59 <Nothing\> or at least bigger and stronger than mine probably lol
10:09 <Nothing\> i think last time i measured my biceps they were 14in
10:39 * steve30 has been sportsball-ing all day
10:52 <Ampera> not reaply
10:57 <Ampera> I have nice smol arms
11:21 <Ampera> also thanks for jumping straight on me, you made fucking crawfish go EVERYWHERE
12:15 <Nothing\> almost no upper body strength at all. But I have this weird motor agitation I guess you can call it RLS but it's never been diagnosed. Anyways the result is that I'm incredibly restless almost 24/7 (especially while trying to sleep or relaxing my muscles) which results in me bouncing my knee up and down at a rate of 3-4hz for 10-16 hours a day for the past 25 years
12:25 <Nothing\> so as a result of that, my legs are pure muscle
12:33 <Ampera> I don't really want a big strong body
13:18 <Nothing\> i don't either. But I'd at least like a strong enough core that I can stand upright for more than an hour before getting awful lower back pain and having to sit down for a few minutes, or lean forward and rest my elbows on my knees with my back arched.
13:42 <Nothing\> it sucks when i'm out for a walk and i get it in a place where i can sit down
14:16 <Nothing\> lol the one time i was sitting on the curb at the bank and an old lady asked me what was wrong and i told her about my back pain. I was surprised that instead of scoffing, she was actually empathetic
14:38 <Nothing\> i figured she'd be like "oh YOU'RE in pain? Let me tell you about pain..."
14:51 <Nothing\> well, not really. But I felt like that's what she should have said to me
14:56 <steve30> My shoulder is aching from video-camera-ing
15:16 <Nothing\> steve30, they need to make a shoulder mounted selfie stick
15:23 <Nothing\> although they probably do
15:42 <Nothing\> but you don't strike me as the selfie type, though i guess you could turn it around and use it as a mount just as easily
16:26 <steve30> I was using the murder weapon grade camcorder. Selfies are incredibly impractical with that. I did use it to interview some armed police though.
16:41 <Nothing\> but yeah, i imagine something like one of those neck braces they put on cervical trauma patients. Not the foam ones, but the ones that are rigid and sit on your collar bone...
16:51 <Nothing\> but with a selfie stick sticking out of it
17:00 <Nothing\> and without the neck brace part, just the shoulder harness part
18:18 <steve30> They did a march from the town centre to the sportsball ground, so that was a good exercise in walking backwards :)
18:24 <Nothing\> oh man so my dispensary had this customer appreciation day going on today. I lucked out.
19:39 <Nothing\> they were giving some things away and i got a bottle of oral THC oil, a little e-cigarette for vaping extracts, and a couple of little stickers and kitchy things.
19:48 <Nothing\> and a raffle for something I'm not sure what it is.
19:57 <Nothing\> looked like merch
20:18 <Nothing\> branded lighters, pipes, a skateboard of some sort, stuff like that
20:41 <Nothing\> which i can just imagine how great it'd go down if a guy got stoned and tried out his new skateboard for the first time lol
20:57 <Nothing\> I'd just end up riding it down the driveway like I did when I was 10
21:02 <Nothing\> like a luge
21:15 <Nothing\> shoulda mentioned the part about being on my bum
22:27 <Ampera> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/449968711789445127/1000512917634023444/20220723_171609.jpg
22:32 <Ampera> cc TheDude
23:13 <TheDude> sausage is a bit of an unusual combo with the seafood, but okay
24:18 * steve30 had sausage roll earlier
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31:50 <Nothing\> lol pope francis is visiting canada
32:11 <Nothing\> i hope the indigenous people fucking lynch his waste of an ass
33:26 <Nothing\> they're already saying they're going to press him for a more genuine apology than the token one they got after like a year of asking for one after discovering the catholic church was involved in the genocide of indigenous canadians up until the mid to late 90s at least
34:11 <Nothing\> finding dozens of mass unmarked graves of hundreds of children from the church
34:27 <Nothing\> that is, dozens of sites with hundreds of bodies a piece
34:34 <Nothing\> at least
35:05 <Nothing\> then there's the issue of all of the indigenous artifacts the catholic church has in their possession which they claim were "gifts"
35:09 <Nothing\> but were obviously stolen
36:05 <Nothing\> why give gifts to the people who are wiping out your race, other than to appease them as one would appease a spiteful (polytheistic) god in the midst of an eclipse. Lest their maize crops be flooded.
36:17 <Nothing\> which is to say, they were smarter than that
36:49 <Nothing\> oh yeah, on a different note
36:54 <TheDude> the roman catholic church is an evil organization, zero fucking doubt about that
37:03 <Nothing\> apparently astronomers found a trinary solar system
37:16 <Nothing\> i'm not sure about it though. They said it's trinary, but there are 4 stars.
37:44 <TheDude> some years ago they were collecting donations here in Slovenia for some orphanage that was supposedly being built whoknowswhere
37:49 <Nothing\> I just thought it was cool because I just watched Contact a couple of weeks ago, and the solar system she goes to is part of a Trinary system.
38:20 <TheDude> they later traced that the money was used to remodel the luxurious apartment of some Slovenian cardinal in Vatican
38:46 <Nothing\> I'm not even sure if they've known of any such solar systems before. I just know that 3 orbiting bodies is one of those classic demonstrations of the behavior of a chaotic system and how tiny differences in the starting conditions cause unpredictable changes to it.
38:51 <Nothing\> like a double pendulum
39:09 <Nothing\> TheDude, that's disgusting
39:15 <TheDude> they will bullshit dumb people about heeding Jesus' teachings and guilt them into their version of morality
39:31 <TheDude> and they will do the polar opposite when it comes to their actions
41:37 <Nothing\> TheDude, I'm a very firm believer in God. I believe that the God of Chrstianity is the God of Islam is the God of everyone else. But that everyone's experiences with that God are very different, since everybody is so different from one person to the next. It would stand to reason that their perception of their experiences with God and perhaps the experiences themselves would be very different from one person to the nex
41:38 <Nothing\> that any organized religion can be applied universally to everyone the way they (ideally) try to. Although it's obvious that most organized religions have merely usurped the name and will of God and twisted it to keep control of their subjects and basically perpetuate an empire without borders
42:45 <TheDude> the simplest solution is usually the right one, from my experience
43:31 <Nothing\> and in my eyes, there's nothing more immoral, more disgusting than usurping the name and especially the will of God. Because it creates atheists. IME anyways, a lot of atheists point to the Christian church for reasons why they're atheists. That they don't believe in a God who does the twisted things described in the old testament, for example. And that's the basis, among other things of course, for their atheistic bel
43:31 <Nothing\> my case. I was a staunch atheist myself for the better part of 20-25 years.
43:38 <TheDude> and the simplest solution is that god, or any other omnipotent being, is a figment of imagination of some dudes a long time ago
43:49 <Nothing\> TheDude, that's funny because Occam's Razor comes up in Contact a lot
43:57 <Nothing\> it's very interesting you mentioned that
44:34 <Nothing\> i believe synchronicities are a way that God uses to try to communicate with me. Though what they mean or how to interpret them is way beyond my understanding. I just know they're rarely, if ever, meant to be taken literally.
44:47 <Nothing\> if you know what a synchronicity is
44:54 <TheDude> I don't
44:58 <TheDude> please explain
45:24 <Nothing\> it's a pretty obscure concept coined by an early psychologist name Carl Jung, who was a contemporary of Freud's.
45:53 <Nothing\> it's sort of like a meaningful coincidence, I guess. In a nutshell anyways. There's obviously a lot more to it.
46:01 <Nothing\> Jung was much more spiritual than Freud was.
46:33 <Nothing\> i'm unsure of how they connect with psychology, if at all
46:37 <TheDude> can you give me an example of such meaningful coincidence?
46:46 <TheDude> like from your personal experience
46:47 <Nothing\> or if it was just part of his studies into other topics, like spiritualism for instance.
47:24 <Nothing\> TheDude, gladly. I actually wrote some down. And I've had shared ones so it's not just something where i'm crazy or seeing what i want to see. But these examples are not shared i don't believe.
47:29 <Nothing\> let me see what i have
47:51 <Nothing\> i don't usually write them down because i feel it's for me and me alone so there's no point in writing it down
48:09 <Nothing\> or at least important to me
49:39 <Nothing\> here's a relatively benign seeming one that's easy to sum up. As you can imagine some of these get to be quite lengthy being life experiences
49:44 <Nothing\> While doing some random browsing, I came across an article mentioning a Tory politician named Candice Bergen. Whose name confused me because she shared the name of a famous sitcom actress from the 90's who's become obscure now and I wondered if somehow it might have been her. So I looked her up and just confirmed they weren't the same person. It was nothing more than a passing curiosity.
49:44 <Nothing\> Several days later while browsing the news, I come across a headline about how the current leader of the Tory party was ousted, and Candice Bergen was installed as their new leader. I had never heard of her until the day I came across her accidentally.
50:39 <Nothing\> and i mean it's not so much any one of these events
50:49 <Nothing\> but the fact that things like this happen multiple times a day sometimes
50:55 <Nothing\> at least multiple times a week
51:23 <TheDude> okay
51:52 <TheDude> let's say that it indeed is god's obscure way of trying to communicate with you
52:01 <TheDude> what would be the message here?
52:06 <Nothing\> that's the question
52:10 <Nothing\> i don't even know how to interpret it
52:17 <Nothing\> whether it's meant to be literal somehow or symbolic
52:37 <Nothing\> after more than 15 years of this happening I've yet to discover any pattern or rhyme or reason to it
52:43 <Nothing\> for all i can tell it's completely random
52:53 <TheDude> so...
52:57 <Nothing\> so i don't put much stock into any sort of interpretations or anything
53:02 <Nothing\> i just find them interesting
53:13 <Nothing\> and if there is a message or something, i think it would be important to find it
53:14 <Nothing\> if it's there
53:23 <TheDude> god is omnipotent, he can do whatever your wildest imagination can think of
53:26 <Nothing\> and yeah i know it sounds nutso lol
53:34 <TheDude> and is trying to convey some sort of message to you
53:40 <Nothing\> TheDude, god is omnipotent according to The Church
53:50 <Nothing\> the truth is we don't know the extent of God's power
54:00 <Nothing\> maybe god just seems omnipotent compared to humanity
54:03 <TheDude> would it not be easier to just spawn as a man and knock on your door? Bruce Almighty style
54:17 <Nothing\> ie, an alien or some other type of being not of this world with highly advanced technology
54:28 <Nothing\> not omnipotent, but for all intents and purposes, still godlike
54:48 <TheDude> the alternative is that coincidences happen from time to time and that's it
54:51 <TheDude> seems rather simple
54:53 <Nothing\> TheDude, i don't think it's that simple.
55:09 <Nothing\> I think if God could take no a physical form, He would have
55:15 <Nothing\> or perhaps God IS the universe
55:25 <Nothing\> i really don't know, but that's part of my beliefs
55:31 <TheDude> aye
56:05 <Nothing\> God is just so absolutely... unlike anything we know as humans, we simply lack the capacity to even come close to understanding who or what God is or what His or its intentions are
56:22 <Nothing\> i use male pronouns like He and His out of convenience. I don't think God has any use for a penis.
56:27 <Nothing\> or gender
56:47 <Nothing\> on that note though, I was thinking about the story of the Virgin Mary
57:33 <Nothing\> and if the roles were reversed and God came to Earth as a human and a man impregnated... I guess Her and God gave birth to the equivalent of Jesus. I'm pretty sure in the eyes or most churches, that would be extremely blasphemous
57:56 <Nothing\> the notion of a man having sex with god and impregnating him with his "impure human seed"
58:05 <Nothing\> it's a strange double standard
59:14 <TheDude> all of this seems a bit far fetched
59:28 <Nothing\> I do think there's a lot of good knowledge to be gleaned from religious texts, though. Like The Bible. But I don't think much, if any of it really happened. They're just stories with morals or to be taken symbolically or whatever.
59:29 <TheDude> I say a bit, but I mean the exact opposite
00:31 <Nothing\> yeah it's really hard to say
00:45 <Nothing\> but that's religion, more questions than answers
00:52 <Nothing\> that's how you know you're on the right path.
01:01 <Nothing\> anyone who claims to have more answers than questions is full of it.
01:38 <Nothing\> it's very much like science in that respect, come to think of it.
02:04 <Nothing\> constantly searching for truth, but always finding more questions than answers.
02:38 <TheDude> no, that's the exact opposite of science
03:06 <TheDude> science is about taking a thesis and trying to prove it or disprove it, based on the evidence that you observe
03:30 <TheDude> religion is based on belief that some ancient storybook is telling the truth
03:38 <jaymax> I never approached Aesop's Fables as having more questions than answers.
03:40 <TheDude> and that truth shall not be questioned
04:52 <TheDude> and religion has been used throughout history as an excuse to slaughter other humans
05:31 <jaymax> > religion is based on belief that some ancient storybook is telling the truth
05:31 <jaymax> The word of God. Joseph Smith had that expectation.
05:39 <TheDude> thou shalt not kill, unless... <wide list of exceptions>
06:24 <jaymax> Now that just sounds like intersectionality.
08:22 <jaymax> Someone should have a sect of LDS called wokism. Seems like a sensible way to separate church and state, once again.
22:38 <rust1> I vote for teletubbies for president
26:48 <jaymax> Seems reasonable. They're already puppets in the most literal sense of the word.
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57:06 <steve30> I could do with some food
57:32 <steve30> I've had pasta this evening, and sausage roll this morning, but having not eaten properly for a couple of days before, I'm rather hungry.
57:51 <rust1> I have extra pizza,(pizzarandabschneider) if you want it
06:10 <DHess_US> Made myself a chicken melt for lunch. Yummy.
06:57 <DHess_US> sliced chicken, cheddar, texas bread, tomato slice.
19:35 <Nothing\> bah it's that exact half hour of the day when the sun glares off of my TV and makes games or movies/videos impossible
19:51 <Nothing\> which frankly i think is the cosmos' way of telling me to get off my ass
20:17 <Nothing\> it seems to do that a lot lol
20:41 <Nothing\> oh man i dunno what it was but i was so damn sick this morning
21:32 <Nothing\> woke up with bowel cramps and the runs. Which turned into about an hour of vomiting my dinner from the night before off and on until it was all out of me, and then some.
21:50 <rust1> hey Nothing\
21:52 <Nothing\> i feel better now, thank god, but still no real apetite.
21:59 <Nothing\> hey rust1 how ya doing?
22:01 <rust1> get off your ass!
22:07 <rust1> oh, not bad.
22:10 <Nothing\> lol
22:13 <Nothing\> that's good
22:16 <Nothing\> shouldn't you be in bed?
22:19 <rust1> I have had a super low energy day today.
22:24 <rust1> and yes, I should
22:27 <Nothing\> story of my life, my friend
22:39 <Nothing\> i either have super low energy or i'm riddled with anxiety
22:52 <rust1> it is my first day off for the summer. I have 3 weeks off now
23:02 <Nothing\> ah right on. got anything planned?
23:06 <rust1> so, it makes sense that I got up and did nothig at all all day
23:23 <Nothing\> heh well as long as that's what you enjoy, that's what's important.
23:24 <rust1> nah, I will just get some stuff done around the house
23:34 <Nothing\> i know that's not everybody's idea of a nice day
23:47 <rust1> and no, I did not enjoy it, I just did not feel like doing much
24:08 <Nothing\> some weirdos prefer to work for leisure. Which I guess is no more weird than how I study or watch college/uni lectures for recreation
24:14 <Nothing\> it's just the physical version of it
24:32 <Nothing\> rust1, aw i'm sorry to hear that
24:37 <Nothing\> that's a shit feeling to have
24:48 <rust1> yes, I don't think I really like work that much, but it is nice, when you are done with it
25:02 <Nothing\> especially when it turns into a feedback loop and just makes you do even less, which makes you feel worse, etc
25:11 <rust1> yep
25:30 <rust1> oh well. maybe I will do something tomorrow
25:31 <Nothing\> well, i hope whatever's causing that resolves soon.
25:45 <Nothing\> yeah that's the key, I find. Keep yourself busy and distracted.
26:01 <Nothing\> that's part of why I study "for fun" it keeps me from thinking about stressful things.
26:07 <rust1> I wonder if it was just my brain saying that I have today off, so I don't have to...
26:15 <Nothing\> which my brain does involuntarily any time it gets the chance
26:39 * Ampera kisses Nothing\ 
26:48 * Ampera hugs rust1 
26:48 * Nothing\ fondles Ampera 
26:51 <Ampera> how are you frens doing?
27:00 <Nothing\> i'm pretty good, NOW
27:05 <Ampera> WOW
27:07 <Nothing\> but i was sick as hell this morning
27:17 <Nothing\> puking out both ends
27:30 <rust1> that sounds efficient
27:46 <Nothing\> which, i haven't actually vomited in almost a year so that was unpleasant. It's always so painful now for some reason.
28:15 <Nothing\> before, it didn't even faze me. I'd be walking along and start puking and just keep walking as i puke like nothing's happening
28:37 <Ampera> Nothing\, did you see what I had for dinner?
29:14 <Nothing\> or playing guitar hero drunk, i puked while i was in the middle of the song but never stopped playing and never missed a note (well maybe 1 or 2) then when I was done playing, I took off my pants and used them to wipe my puke all over my friend's floor in a vain attempt at cleaning it up.
29:21 <Nothing\> Ampera, i did not
29:25 <Ampera> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/449968711789445127/1000512917634023444/20220723_171609.jpg
29:41 <Nothing\> oooh nice
29:46 <Nothing\> i love me some shellfish
29:59 <Ampera> had a cajun boil with a neighbor who used to live in New Orleans
30:22 <Nothing\> right on. I was gonna say that reminds me of something cajun with crawfish or something.
30:40 <Nothing\> i can't tell if those are crawfish or shrimp
30:59 <Nothing\> i haven't seen enough intact shrimp to know what they're supposed to look like
31:17 <Nothing\> and only seen crawfish like 3 times ever
31:17 <Ampera> There are shrimps, and there are crawfish
31:23 <Nothing\> ah
31:30 <Ampera> so you are both right and also right
31:37 <Nothing\> oh yeah i see the crawfish
31:40 <Nothing\> it's a bit darker
31:48 <Ampera> well the crawfish is looking at you
31:50 <Ampera> the shrimp isn't
32:05 <Nothing\> oh weidr
32:11 <Nothing\> i woulda thought the other way around
32:15 <Nothing\> so there are 2 crawfish?
32:20 <Ampera> 3
32:25 <Ampera> the shrimp is behind them
32:28 <Nothing\> ohhh
32:30 <Ampera> it's pink
32:51 <Nothing\> oh yeah the gutted and prepared shrimps
32:55 <Nothing\> lol they just kinda blended in
32:59 <Ampera> nah
33:01 <Ampera> just decapitated
33:04 <Nothing\> i was expecting i guess they're called prawns officially
33:05 <Ampera> they still needed to be peeled
33:11 <Ampera> they're not
33:13 <Ampera> prawns are freshwater
33:16 <Ampera> shrimp is saltwater
33:18 <Nothing\> where it's not prepared or peeled or anything. It's just one whole animal
33:22 <Nothing\> oh okay
33:28 <Ampera> it's not
33:41 <Ampera> they're different creatures
33:44 <Ampera> kinda like trout vs salmon
33:57 <Nothing\> ah i always wondered about that
34:08 <Nothing\> at most i thought prawns were maybe a larger species of shrimp
34:13 <Ampera> I have never had a prawn
34:17 <Nothing\> me neither
34:23 <Ampera> tons of shrimp though
34:29 <Ampera> there's also clams and scallops on that plate
34:32 <Nothing\> i've never had any freshwater shellfish actually
34:34 <Ampera> and a beer bratwurst
34:39 <Nothing\> i bet it makes all the difference
34:51 <Ampera> crawfish is freshwater
34:53 <Nothing\> i mean that meat is basically marinating in brine for its entire existence
34:58 <Nothing\> aye
35:04 <Nothing\> i've seen wild crawfish
35:04 <Ampera> eh
35:07 <Ampera> I'm not sure about that
35:09 <Ampera> but whatever
35:18 <Ampera> I can't prove you wrong just as much as I can't say you're right
35:31 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah that's true. It's not like the cells themselves are actually swelling with salt water
35:52 <Nothing\> i wonder how that even works
36:59 <rust1> works fine
37:03 <Nothing\> cuz i've seen demos where there's a microscope slide with cells, and they add salt water to it and the cells will shrivel up as the water gets sucked out of them
37:46 <Ampera> that's relative salinity
38:23 <Nothing\> rust1, clearly lol. I'm just wondering how. Like the way hibernating frogs can freeze solid in winter because they have a special "antifreeze" protein that keeps sharp ice crystals from forming
38:28 <Nothing\> or any ice crystals
39:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, granted, I'm sure many cellular processes would go awry if the salinity wasn't just right.
46:44 <rust1> watching videos about people who are not good at running excavators, running excavators, is pretty amusing
50:35 <Ampera> rust1, watching people who don't know how to drive, drive, is also pretty amusing
50:42 <Ampera> so long as I am not actually there in the car next to them
51:19 <rust1> sure, but cars are sort of limited in what you can make them do. even if some people manage to do incredible things to them, lol
56:08 <rust1> ok, time for a nap, have fun or something
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29:04 <steve30> i feel better for fooding, but i still can't sleep
38:59 * T3sl4 puts steve30 on a warm blanket in a cool AC room 
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06:03 <steve30> mmm
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51:54 <T3sl4> Halcyon: obviously why your nbn always going down https://i.imgur.com/rIskeJl.jpeg
52:39 <steve30> meow :p
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59:13 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/160fb56b-11fe-4a98-81ef-39a5ed170c7a/SZA6qFiuQx2N_qHSI5XElg.jpg
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27:22 <steve30> i'm going to have another attempt at going to sleep
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02:34 <Halcyon> T3sl4: Probably
28:50 <Ysjoelfir> whaaat? electrohead is imposting me, Ampera? :O
29:10 * T3sl4 hands Ysjoelfir a saw to depost himself
36:24 * Halcyon hugs Ysjoelfir 
36:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol
36:30 * Ysjoelfir saws Halcyon
37:12 <Halcyon> Pointy
40:03 * T3sl4 waves a magic wand at Halcyon, pulls the halves apart, takes a bow to applause
41:07 <Halcyon> Maybe I should change my name to "Sharon" since it's a good name for an assistant
42:07 <T3sl4> sharon? SHARON!! where's my TPS reports!?
45:08 <Halcyon> Hahah
50:10 <Halcyon> I was referencing this bit: https://youtu.be/L5e-1sBM9FE?t=198
50:11 <EEVBot> [url] rowan atkinson jesus - YouTube | youtu.be
50:21 <hsn> hello muppets
50:55 <Halcyon> Hello hsn
50:59 <hsn> is it an insult to call people muppets ?
51:02 <T3sl4> Hah
51:16 <hsn> hello Halcyon how is life ?
51:18 <Halcyon> Sort of not really...
51:26 <Halcyon> It's like calling someone silly/stupid
51:35 <Halcyon> Life is dandy hsn, how about you?
51:52 <hsn> Halcyon, our tutor used to call us muppets and we used to love it :D
52:54 <hsn> Halcyon, its going to get dandy i hope .. tommorow is supposed to be my last day at this .... company ....
53:08 <T3sl4> how are you, oh sandy one?
53:14 <hsn> this dum salary delay issue is going to be no longer ..
53:26 <hsn> yes T3sl4 sandy is what i ment
53:58 <hsn> the indian static analysis company who is supposed to fix our code .. is doing .. funny
54:42 <T3sl4> i prefer satanic analysis
54:46 <hsn> they are supposed to fix the code becasue their static analysis tool is complaining about our code .. and look at their changes ..
59:26 <hsn> https://i.imgur.com/QPFi3un.jpg
00:16 <T3sl4> that's an... interesting bool cast
00:20 <hsn> i mean code is not written by me i dont like "delayer" name .. but eh ..
00:44 <hsn> someone is booling "uint32_t" millis() time stamp :D
01:01 <hsn> this is one example .. imagine the rest ..
01:07 <DogWomble> evenm as someone who is rusty with their coding skills ..... converting at imestamp to a boolean?
01:12 <hsn> flipping if conditions .. doing funny stuff ..
01:18 <DogWomble> that makes. ... what sense exactly?
02:06 <hsn> Few more logic were found as change. This is really not good. it’s like mines implemented to be discovered later.
02:19 <hsn> I believe that this is because the code was modified by multiple people and originally by junior developers and then reviewed by senior within Sloki?
02:35 <hsn> oh crap .
03:37 <hsn> https://i.imgur.com/a/yvbObLq.jpg here is another
03:37 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | i.imgur.com
04:03 <hsn> https://i.imgur.com/dTsIJFh.jpg
04:31 <hsn> casting unsigned 16 to bool then comparing it back to a number .. :D
11:27 <T3sl4> i think bool is just int anyway, so it shouldn't do anything, but you're also telling the compiler it can take the logical rather than arithmetic value of that variable and it's probably not going to end well
12:17 <T3sl4> i know it depends, e.g. bool on AVR is 1 byte
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20:15 <Ampera> bool as int?
20:32 <Ampera> that's either a small int, a waste of space, or a really weird arch
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