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00:03:25 <Ampera> just bought a cheap 30 dollar walmart dashcam
00:03:37 <Ampera> I was gonna go for a garmin one, but I could have an actual army of these for the price of one of those
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00:57:44 <steve30> hi
01:03:10 <rust1> moorning
01:03:27 <Ampera> good morning rust1
01:03:30 <Ampera> how are you oxidizing
01:03:40 * Ampera pets steve30
01:04:15 <rust1> Oh, I am getting there. not much left now
01:04:37 <steve30> Well, I think I slept for about 9 hours, which is... OK... given that I was up for about 30
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02:08:16 <steve30> I think I'll go to the chinese tonight
02:53:29 <Ampera> steve30, I am thinking the same
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03:38:03 <MRiddickW> Kind of a vague question: does anyone make power supply cable that I can buy by the foot? By "power supply cable", I mean 4-conductor cable, with one pair being 16 AWG or so, and another twisted (shielded?) pair being 22 AWG for the sense wires.
03:55:35 <steve30> can't say its something i've heard of
03:55:49 <steve30> Ampera, I had a chicken curry, and got some noodles to warm up tomorrow.
04:00:19 <MRiddickW> That's too bad. I have an HP 6626A (4 outputs in the back) way up high on my bench so I was thinking it'd be nice to just have a self-contained cable for each output that I can run to a more convenient location and break out there.
04:00:26 <MRiddickW> Also chicken curry sounds good.
04:01:55 <Ampera> I went for fried chicken instead
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04:59:42 <Nothing\> gah i've gotta stop playing super smash bros
04:59:52 * Ampera kisses Nothing\
05:00:03 * Nothing\ merrily hops into Ampera's arms
05:00:07 <Nothing\> MY HERO!
05:00:17 <Nothing\> how's it going bud?
05:00:21 <Ampera> cease and desist
05:00:28 <Nothing\> oh speaking of bud, i should water mine
05:00:39 <Nothing\> although they're calling for storms again
05:00:40 <Ampera> I am eat fried chikun
05:00:50 <Nothing\> and they got overwatered from all the rain we got the last week
05:01:11 <Nothing\> my poor seedlings. As soon as they sprouted the first thing they experience in this world is a severe thunderstorm
05:01:26 <Nothing\> we actually had tornado WARNINGS here. Not sure where they happened though
05:02:05 <Nothing\> actually i don't know if a warning means one has definitely happened. I know it means it's imminent or occurring. But the subconscious idea was always that it caused something
05:02:33 <Nothing\> my big plant got tore up from it :/
05:02:53 <Nothing\> not too bad but she (hopefully she) is still thriving
05:03:27 <Nothing\> hopefully in a few weeks it'll be mature enough to sex
05:03:42 * Ampera throws an eel at Nothing\
05:03:43 <Nothing\> lol there was just no way to say that without it sounding like i'm banging my pot plants
05:03:48 <Nothing\> mmm unagi
05:03:52 <Nothing\> best sushi
05:04:23 <Nothing\> although california rolls or pretty much anything with roe on it is good
05:04:29 <Nothing\> i love the way the roe pops in your teeth
05:04:35 <Nothing\> seriously, i'm not trying to be gross
05:04:54 <Ampera> I pretty much only like nigiri
05:04:56 <Nothing\> i wonder why nobody eats (drinks?) fish milt
05:04:59 <Ampera> in terms of sushi
05:05:04 <Nothing\> nigiri... what's that again
05:05:12 <Nothing\> it's on the tip of my tongue but i haven't had sushi in years
05:05:23 <Ampera> rice with fish on it
05:05:25 <Nothing\> i outgrew it for some reason
05:05:29 <Nothing\> oh okay yeah
05:05:34 <Ampera> basic, but I prefer it that way
05:05:34 <Nothing\> like salmon, right
05:05:40 <Ampera> anything
05:05:44 <Ampera> can be fish, meat, etc.
05:05:44 <Nothing\> sticky right with a hunk of salmon
05:05:51 <Nothing\> that's how i usually had it
05:05:55 <Ampera> just means a ball of rice with a thin slice of meat on it
05:05:59 <Nothing\> right
05:06:09 <Nothing\> yeah i realize it's just the style now that i think about it more
05:06:17 <Nothing\> like sashimi, i guess
05:06:23 <Ampera> I don't really like roll sushi
05:06:31 <Ampera> tends to have vegetables and things I don't like much
05:06:32 <Nothing\> although sashimi seems more a way to cook or prepare the fish itself rather than the dish
05:06:44 <Nothing\> which i believe is just boiling the fish for 30 seconds or something
05:06:46 <Ampera> sashimi and sushi are not the same nor similar
05:06:51 <Nothing\> right
05:06:52 <Ampera> sushi refers to sweet sushi rice
05:06:56 <Nothing\> actually
05:07:01 <Ampera> the toppings are not necessarily cooked or uncooked, fish or not
05:07:04 <Nothing\> i thought all sashimi was sushi
05:07:08 <Ampera> no
05:07:08 <Nothing\> but not all sushi was sashimi
05:07:19 <Ampera> no sashimi is sushi, and some sushi is made with sashimi
05:07:35 <Ampera> sashimi simply refers to raw, typically fish, sliced thin
05:07:35 <Nothing\> oh, so sashimi's a different dish all together
05:07:55 <Nothing\> that's interesting because it's usually used synonymously with sushi in the wwest
05:08:02 <Ampera> I could see an argument for calling nigiri with raw fish on it as having sashimi, but I do not know if this is a valid use of the term
05:08:11 <Nothing\> but then sushi seems to be such a broad term
05:08:16 <Ampera> sushi here is common
05:08:19 <Ampera> sashimi here not so much
05:08:19 <Nothing\> just thinking about comparing nigiri to hand rolls
05:08:29 <Nothing\> you wouldn't even know they were related
05:08:33 <Nothing\> aside from the same filling
05:08:40 <Ampera> as I said, sushi is all about the rice
05:08:42 <Nothing\> but that's like calling everything with ground beef in it hamburger
05:09:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, ah that sticky rice which tastes like it may or may not be fermented
05:09:12 <Nothing\> very sweet
05:09:20 <Nothing\> goes amazing with kikoman brand soy sauce
05:09:26 <Ampera> it is supposed to be fermented
05:09:31 <Ampera> originally it was
05:09:31 <Nothing\> which is the only brand of soy sauce as far as i'm concerned
05:09:37 <Ampera> these days it tends to be made with fermented ingredients
05:10:01 <Ampera> typically rice vinegar
05:10:05 <Nothing\> Ampera, ahh huh i dunno how i knew that but just something about the sweet taste. I guess because plants when they ferment or age tend to convert starches to sugars
05:10:09 <Nothing\> ie malt
05:10:25 <Ampera> malt is not fermented
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05:10:29 <Ampera> malt is germinated
05:10:30 <Nothing\> no, not yet
05:10:32 <Nothing\> i know
05:10:49 <Nothing\> i'm just saying though malt is swete because it's aged and undergone that process of converting starch to sugar
05:10:53 <Ampera> The same principle can be applied to brown rice, making extra tasty and nutritious GABA rice
05:11:00 <Nothing\> that's just basic ripening
05:11:05 <Ampera> (not because of the GABA though, because brown rice is, itself, nutritious)
05:11:06 <Nothing\> and why unripe plants aren't sweet
05:11:14 <Nothing\> GABA rice?
05:11:19 <Ampera> malt is not sweet because it's aged
05:11:20 <Nothing\> what the hell?
05:11:23 <Ampera> malt is sweet because it's germinated
05:11:30 <Nothing\> is that to offset the MSG?
05:11:35 <Ampera> huh?
05:11:40 <Ampera> GABA rice is just germinated brown rice
05:11:41 <Nothing\> the GABA
05:11:46 <Ampera> the GABA part is a health nutter thing
05:11:47 <Nothing\> lol it's a neurology joke
05:11:52 <Ampera> it primarily refers to the process
05:12:06 <Ampera> which is supposed to increase the amount of GABA which is supposed to be some super chemical
05:12:19 <Ampera> what it really does is just make sweeter, softer brown rice
05:12:29 <Ampera> my extra expensive Zojirushi rice cooker has a setting for it
05:13:50 <Nothing\> see there are two main neurotransmitters in your brain, glutamate, which MSG mimmicks, and GABA. MSG is considered bad because glutamates are an excitatory neurotransmitter, responsible for "making things happen" in the brain. And too much of that, as may (or may not) be caused by eating MSG can cause a form of neurotoxicity called excitotoxicity which as the name implies, is where your neurons are literally stimulated
05:14:21 <Nothing\> meanwhile GABA is the compliment of glutamate, acting as an inhibitor neurotransmitter, slowing things down and counteracting the effects of glutamate
05:14:38 <Nothing\> it's also what alcohol affects and is responsible for it getting us drunk
05:14:55 <Nothing\> along with a bunch of tranquilizers. The "fun" ones.
05:15:20 <Nothing\> but yeah, afaik, GABA doesn't actually survive oral ingestion
05:15:33 <Ampera> I'm not a neurologist, but knowing that the blood brain barrier significantly reduces the brain availability of most ingested amino acids, I am strongly doubt
05:15:58 <Ampera> Glutimates are insanely common in most foods we eat
05:15:59 <Nothing\> when you take something orally, it's shunted to your liver to undergo a process called first pass metabolism, which renders many chemicals useless when given orally. Hence the need for injections and other ROAs
05:16:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, yup it's found in pretty much everything that's alive
05:16:25 <Nothing\> in fact i'm pretty sure it IS found in everything that's alive
05:16:52 <Nothing\> so it stands to reason glutamate and GABA would be in a lot of food. Especially carnivores and animals at the top of the food chain I would imagine.
05:17:09 <Nothing\> unless you're one of those power vegans who doesn't eat anything with DNA
05:17:17 <Ampera> hence most of the concerns about them being acutely toxic or detrimental are bollocks :P
05:17:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's been studied for decades and the evidence is still tentative at best
05:17:47 <Nothing\> that alone sets off flags for me
05:17:56 <Nothing\> if there was anything significant to it, they'd have found it by now.
05:18:32 <Nothing\> maybe there is SOME risk of toxicity, perhaps in susceptible individuals, or some medication interaction or you know, a rare case like that
05:18:59 <Nothing\> hrm i think i'm gonna try some of this THC oil i was gifted at the dispensary yesterday
05:19:15 <Nothing\> i'm surprised, it's actually more potent than is supposed to be legal
05:19:29 <Nothing\> it also comes in an actual glass bottle
05:19:49 <Nothing\> it's kinda cute actually. I think i'm gonna take the label off and keep it when i'm done with it
05:19:50 <Ampera> everything is toxic to some degree
05:19:58 <Ampera> you can overhydrate
05:20:05 <Nothing\> i know
05:20:06 <Nothing\> i have
05:20:07 <Ampera> In the amounts I add MSG to my food, I am not concerned
05:20:28 <Nothing\> lol you forget i was an impressionable teenager who sought out to get high on anything and everything he could find out about and get his hands on at one point
05:20:37 <Nothing\> and that included trying so-called "water intoxication"
05:20:47 <Nothing\> which thankfully i didn't do THAT bad
05:21:00 <Nothing\> but it did give me an almighty headache that made me never want to repeat it again
05:21:12 <Nothing\> i've also gotten high on literal honest to god nutmeg
05:21:20 <Nothing\> you really can get high on it lol
05:21:29 <Nothing\> but you have to eat like 4 table spoons
05:21:56 <Nothing\> and it lasts for about half a week. And doesn't feel good at all. Like being poisoned basically. Which I guess it IS.
05:22:21 <Nothing\> i've also gotten high on poppy seeds i bought at the grocery store. I was actually addicted to those for years
05:23:12 <Nothing\> i used to grow them in my back yard, again just from the seeds at the store. They'd grow like weeds, because that's what they are. And as long as you don't score the pods to make opium come out, it's perfectly legal to grow them.
05:23:21 <Nothing\> and all I did was dry them and use them for tea
05:24:06 <Nothing\> they weren't ideal though. They're bred to have less morphine and more thebaine, which isn't a very nice feeling drug. And a bunch of other compounds that don't feel very good in large amounts.
05:24:43 <Nothing\> it's unsettling how much you can get high on at the grocery store. And taht's not even including the stuff kids huff.
05:24:51 <Nothing\> thankfully i never did that
05:25:06 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
05:25:13 <Nothing\> but i think the reason they're still sold at grocery stores is because they all feel so awful
05:25:31 <Nothing\> and most of them are just literally you poisoning yourself
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05:26:19 <Nothing\> Ampera, so you been playing any new games lately. Besides Yakuza?
05:26:22 <Nothing\> wb steve30
05:26:25 <Ampera> pff
05:26:30 <Ampera> played all the main series yakuza games already
05:26:32 <Ampera> 0-6
05:26:36 <Nothing\> lol nice
05:26:39 <Ampera> not really
05:26:45 <Nothing\> too much?
05:26:51 <Ampera> no that was a reply to your question
05:26:56 <Ampera> I haven't really been playing any games
05:27:02 <Nothing\> ah heh
05:27:09 <Nothing\> well, there's no rush
05:27:13 <Nothing\> they're not going anywhere
05:27:46 <Nothing\> me on the other hand, I think i've got like 30 games in my folder of shortcuts to "recently played games"
05:27:59 <Nothing\> which is basically a favourites folder of games i made
05:27:59 * steve30 has several hours of DVCAM tape to import
05:28:41 <Nothing\> i made it because i figured a list of a few shortcuts would be easier to find a good game to play in as opposed to a list of like 50 games
05:28:50 <Nothing\> but it quickly turned into the latter before i knew it
05:29:06 * Ampera doesn't have desktop icons at all
05:29:11 <Ampera> :D
05:29:14 <Nothing\> oh Ampera i've a question i dunno if you can answer
05:29:32 <Ampera> choose happiness, so long as that happiness doesn't result in an STD
05:29:38 <Nothing\> do you know what i should do with lipo batteries that are bulging? In terms of safe disposal i mean.
05:30:13 <Nothing\> i went through my old parts yesterday and found a bunch of 10+ year old batteries that are more than a little bulgy
05:30:14 <Ampera> Check your local municipality for harzardous material sites or events
05:30:30 <Ampera> Be very careful when transporting them, and be very upfront that they are bulging.
05:30:30 <Nothing\> kinda scary to think the damn things will explode if you just leave them to their own devices... potentially.
05:30:41 <Ampera> Eh, I'm not sure about that
05:30:55 <Ampera> I'm sure it's happened, but I'm not aware that it's an epidemic
05:30:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, okay thanks. honesty I was ready to just chuck em in the garbage as bad as i know that is.
05:31:08 <Ampera> honestly, if it was me, I'd drive them out to an open field and take them out with my pellet gun
05:31:14 <Nothing\> i've seen videos of batteries shorting out in trash compactors in garbage trucks and starting fires
05:31:23 <Nothing\> lol
05:31:28 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh dude
05:31:32 <Nothing\> speaking of pellet guns
05:31:41 <Ampera> once they explode, they're not environmentally friendly, but likely not a massive fire hazard anymore
05:31:54 <Nothing\> you've gotta see this video kentucky ballistics posted a few weeks ago about pellet guns that rival actual fire arms
05:32:03 <Ampera> I'm aware of the concept
05:32:07 <Nothing\> like the pellets and the size of shotgun slugs
05:32:17 <Ampera> air rifles can be just as, if not more powerful than firearms
05:32:18 <Nothing\> and have a muzzle velocity of 1500fps or something
05:32:22 <Ampera> and they're completely unregulated in the US :D
05:32:23 <Nothing\> oh yeah dude
05:32:30 <Nothing\> these were like .75 caliber
05:32:34 <Nothing\> something ridiculous like thta
05:32:43 <Ampera> I don't even think ATF destructive device rules apply for full auto, but do NOT quote me on that.
05:32:56 <Ampera> >.50cal tends to be destructive device in firearm world
05:33:20 <Nothing\> the only down side is, each shot is successively weaker as the tank pressure goes down. And you can only get maybe 5 shots off at max speed, then another 5 at reduced, but still formidable speed.
05:33:24 <Nothing\> before you have to refill
05:33:49 <Nothing\> Ampera, nope, ATF rules don't apply to air rifles because they're not considered firefarms
05:33:59 <Nothing\> funnily enough, the exact same is true of flame throwers apparently
05:34:02 <Ampera> In theory, all you need is a source of energy to run a compressor
05:34:03 <Nothing\> which is ironic
05:34:09 <Ampera> then you can have as powerful a gun as you can design
05:34:13 <Nothing\> a FLAMEthrower isn't a FIREarm
05:34:22 <Ampera> Flamethrowers are regulated, just typically on a more local level
05:34:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, haha yeah you could make an automatic air rifle that runs on a shop compressor
05:34:43 <Nothing\> wear it on your back like a backpack
05:35:00 <Ampera> I'd say it's quite feasible to make one just as deadly as any machine gun
05:35:26 <Ampera> My cheap daisy powerfapster thingy is .177 @ 800fps
05:35:40 <Ampera> which is absolutely in the low end of firearm ballistics
05:35:49 * electrohead powerfaps Ampera
05:35:54 * Ampera hugs electrohead
05:35:59 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
05:36:00 <Nothing\> Ampera, even that can be deadly
05:36:05 <electrohead> lol, hey man
05:36:08 * electrohead hugs Ampera
05:36:11 <Ampera> Nothing\, good for varminting
05:36:12 <Nothing\> heya electrohead how's it going?
05:36:21 * electrohead offers steak to Ampera and Nothing\
05:36:30 <electrohead> good here, munching on steak, then going to lay down
05:36:36 <electrohead> lazy sundays are the best
05:36:44 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh yeah i've seen a ton of those videos. That's good money. But you'd need a lot of patience. Though I could see it being fun. Like you can pretend you're a sniper out in the field or something.
05:36:54 * Nothing\ devours the steak
05:36:59 * Ampera bulimias the fried chicken from earlier up, and noms the steak
05:37:00 <Nothing\> medium rare or nothing!
05:37:09 <Ampera> ew
05:37:14 <Ampera> medium rare stinks
05:37:20 <electrohead> rare ftw
05:37:20 <Ampera> rare or bleu 4 life
05:37:22 <electrohead> :p
05:37:25 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's okay, my uncle eats his steaks well well done
05:37:39 <Ampera> Nothing\, name address time he's home, I'll solve this problem
05:37:39 <Nothing\> like, brown all the way through, and then some
05:37:43 <Nothing\> hahaah
05:37:55 <Ampera> then the police question you, it wasn't me
05:38:00 <Ampera> *then -> when
05:38:03 * Nothing\ taps his nose
05:38:42 <Nothing\> lol that's why they gave me this oil for free
05:38:46 <Nothing\> it was made in 2020
05:39:01 <Nothing\> and there aren't any preservatives in it
05:39:12 <Ampera> why would your car need preservatives
05:39:23 <Nothing\> i dunno how many plant products are gonna be edible after that long. Or how many oils will keep from going rancid.
05:39:27 <Nothing\> Here's hoping
05:39:27 <Ampera> unless you mean something else by oil
05:39:33 <Ampera> in which case, ewww, why do you have a baby
05:39:35 <Nothing\> yeah, triglycerides
05:39:49 <Nothing\> which apparently is what this is mostly
05:39:52 <Nothing\> sounds healthy
05:39:55 <Nothing\> speaking of
05:39:58 * Ampera sneezes a mortar round off
05:40:01 * Nothing\ takes his lipitor lol
05:40:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol my mum sneezed in the car the other day and it fucking hurt my ears
05:40:24 <Nothing\> i've never had somebody sneeze loud enough to hurt my ears
05:40:37 <Ampera> did you find the piece of brain afterwards?
05:40:46 <Nothing\> haha i think she swallowed it
05:41:04 <Nothing\> okay i gotta set out my meds for the week brb
05:41:18 <electrohead> alright, food time is over. now, it's curiousmarc and nap time
05:41:22 <electrohead> shall be around then
05:41:24 <electrohead> o/
05:41:26 <Ampera> I only have 5 meds, I just keep them in the bottle
05:41:33 <Ampera> well, five that I regularly take anyways
05:41:41 * Ampera kisses electrohead to sleep
05:41:44 <Ampera> I luv u <3
05:41:50 <electrohead> lmfao
05:41:52 <electrohead> goof :P
05:45:12 <steve30> rebooting...
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05:47:36 <steve30> For some reason this thinkpad doesn't consider firewire to be hot pluggable
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05:55:59 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead!
05:56:04 <Ysjoelfir> we need other mods
06:00:23 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfirend
06:00:37 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelguy?
06:07:20 <Ysjoelfir> doing guy things
06:07:23 <Ysjoelfir> you?
06:17:25 <Ampera> doing uh
06:17:31 <Ampera> idk things I guess
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07:05:13 <Nothing\> wow that's ridiculous
07:05:46 <Nothing\> this exact same brand of THC oil costs $15 more from a legit pharmacy chain than it does from a just as legit dispensary meant for recreational use
07:05:52 <Nothing\> or easier access to medicinal use
07:06:16 <Nothing\> what a shitty markup though
07:06:23 <Nothing\> especially for a $35 product
07:06:45 <Nothing\> it's also weird that the largest pharmacy chain in canada sells weed
07:07:35 <Nothing\> i remember before legalization i got a referral for medicinal and they were gonna have me order it through this pharmacy. But I didn't end up doing it because it would have cost in excess of $300 a month for someting that probably wouldn't have even worked.
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08:48:57 <steve30> i fancy some more food
08:50:26 <Ampera> you are very fancy steve30
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09:52:09 * electrohead yawns
09:59:50 <steve30> o/
10:13:23 * steve30 coffees
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10:49:07 * Ampera hugs electrohead
10:50:45 * electrohead gets hugged
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10:50:58 <electrohead> I got woken up to an old friend needing help with something
10:51:02 <electrohead> now I'm wide awake
10:51:07 <electrohead> was sleeping so good, too, lol
10:51:45 <Ampera> I'm just about to pass tf out
11:00:48 * electrohead throws about 10 pillows at Ampera
11:09:19 <Halcyon> Morning all
11:09:25 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
11:09:28 <Halcyon> \o.
11:09:30 <Halcyon> \o/
11:09:30 <Ampera> are you feeling better now?
11:09:39 <Ampera> your arm seems to have gotten blown off for a sec there
11:10:11 <Halcyon> Yeh it came back
11:10:16 <Halcyon> Yes, I'm feeling good
11:10:17 <steve30> hi Halcyon
11:10:19 <Halcyon> The sun is out again
11:10:23 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
11:10:43 <Ampera> I am kinda very somewhat tired
11:11:57 <Halcyon> Go to bed then
11:12:51 <Ampera> why
11:15:02 * steve30 is just trying to decide how best to cut down 6 hours of footage into 10 minutes
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11:23:37 * Ampera kisses arch
11:23:46 <Ampera> I love you arch
11:23:51 <Ampera> you are the archiest of all the archs
11:23:56 <Ampera> even the romans couldn't arch better than you can
11:36:54 * electrohead pokes the Halcyon
11:37:17 * Halcyon is poked
11:38:30 <electrohead> yooo
11:38:37 <Halcyon> What's doing?
11:42:34 <Halcyon> Your package is in Chicago \o/
11:42:53 <Halcyon> It looks like it made it through Customs
11:44:30 <electrohead> \o/
11:44:38 <electrohead> woot
11:44:55 <electrohead> and, nothing much here, just watching some random videos
11:45:04 <electrohead> my friends left today to go back to pennsylvania
11:45:15 <electrohead> was a fun weekend
11:47:24 <Halcyon> Oh nice
11:50:15 <electrohead> I wonder when that package is showing up; I'm driving up to PA next weekend
11:50:22 <electrohead> leaving on the 29th
11:54:48 <Halcyon> Oooh, I hope it arrived before then
11:55:05 <Halcyon> Still have 5 days. Should be enough time
11:55:56 <electrohead> yeah should be, I think
12:05:16 <Halcyon> Just remember to put them in the fridge when you get them
12:20:01 <electrohead> oh for sure
12:37:51 * steve30 paws at Halcyon
12:39:02 * electrohead films
13:37:20 * arch lights a fart near T3sl4 and singes his hair
13:41:53 * T3sl4 emulsions electrohead
13:42:56 <electrohead> \o/
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13:48:51 <steve30> i've put some chips on
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15:11:15 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Zsjoelfir
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15:11:43 <Zsjoelfir> mornings
15:11:49 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Zsjoelfir
15:19:28 <steve30> Here's one for Halcyon
15:19:28 <steve30> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-62229602
15:19:29 <EEVBot> [url] Lawyer Dan Nguyen travels the world with his three cats - BBC News | www.bbc.co.uk
15:19:51 <Halcyon> Oh gees
15:19:56 <Halcyon> I'm guessing he's single
15:20:23 <steve30> Well, i'm guessing he won't be going on a date with you :)
15:21:36 <steve30> i'm tired
15:21:46 * steve30 climbs up Halcyon and falls asleep
15:23:38 * Zsjoelfir joins
15:23:45 * Zsjoelfir snorrs into steve30's ear
15:23:59 * steve30 hisses at Zsjoelfir
15:32:15 <Halcyon> I don't date crazy cat people :P
15:32:58 <steve30> WOuld you date T3sl4 if he can a cat sat on top of him?
15:33:03 <steve30> *had
15:36:14 <Halcyon> He isn't crazy though
15:40:32 * T3sl4 dates Halcyon
15:40:38 * T3sl4 also figs Zsjoelfir
15:42:05 <Halcyon> Mmmmm dried froots
15:42:25 <T3sl4> you should hydrate more
15:42:26 <T3sl4> :P
15:42:34 * Zsjoelfir tops T3sl4 with some caramel sauce
15:43:18 * T3sl4 bottoms Zsjoelfir with a candy cane
15:43:31 <Zsjoelfir> weeeeeeee
15:43:36 * Halcyon hydrates with fermented grape juice
15:43:39 <T3sl4> hm, is fig and caramel a thing over there?
15:43:48 <Halcyon> Hell yes
15:43:58 <Halcyon> It's great in icecream
15:43:58 <T3sl4> i don't think that's a thing over here, but mainly because figs aren't. it sounds great
15:44:32 <Halcyon> https://shop.maggiebeer.com.au/products/burnt-fig-honeycomb-caramel-ice-cream/
15:44:35 <EEVBot> [url] Burnt Fig, Honeycomb & Caramel Ice Cream | Shop Online | Maggie Beer | shop.maggiebeer.com.au
15:44:36 <Halcyon> This is one of my favourites
15:47:04 <T3sl4> oooohh
15:52:54 * steve30 just had a shower
15:53:05 * Zsjoelfir had a shower roughly 2 hours ago
15:58:03 <Zsjoelfir> I am reading a document about volume measurements for generating a specification for aiding hearing impaired passengers in public trains. thats somehow way more interesting than I thought
15:58:50 <steve30> cool
16:00:02 <Halcyon> I was kind of wondering about that the other day Zsjoelfir
16:00:10 <Zsjoelfir> and they used pretty coole equipment back than in 2009 (that standard is still not existing, btw..)
16:00:18 <Halcyon> All the trains here have hearing loops in all areas
16:00:26 <Zsjoelfir> whats a hearing loop?
16:02:45 <steve30> When I went on a train last month, the computer screen said it needed its Windows activating
16:03:43 <Zsjoelfir> lol^^ than it wasn't a screen from my company, we use linux ;P
16:03:50 <T3sl4> makes sense
16:04:05 <T3sl4> trains are pretty dirty environments, EM-ally speaking
16:04:23 <T3sl4> might as well throw in some audio magnetic fields to help out the hearing aid peeps :)
16:04:55 <Zsjoelfir> oooh yes.... the specifications and normative documents are pretty wild, compared to standard automotive ones
16:06:30 * steve30 should probably go to bed
16:08:16 <Zsjoelfir> I would love to do that, but nah. I can't now. I just got up 4 hours ago
16:10:00 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
16:12:25 <Zsjoelfir> gn8 steve
16:15:15 <Zsjoelfir> poor steve.. I know how he feels. this feeling of overwhelming tiredness, I had that long enough.
16:32:09 * Halcyon yawns
16:32:22 <Halcyon> I feel like a little nap too
16:32:40 <Zsjoelfir> than do that. I keep reading about electoacustic devices
16:33:22 <Zsjoelfir> I think I will go for a wee. or maybe a bit more than that. dunno yet. better take the phone with me
16:33:32 <Halcyon> Hahaha
16:50:42 <Halcyon> I'm assuming Zsjoelfir went for #2
16:53:24 <Zsjoelfir> yes. and now I have to sneak a wet towel into the washing machine
16:53:45 <Halcyon> Oh are you at home Zsjoelfir ?
16:54:02 <Zsjoelfir> no, I am at work. but we have cloth towels, because we are only very few people.
16:54:16 <Halcyon> I see
16:54:34 <Zsjoelfir> sneaking that in the washer isn't hard either, as said washing machine is right besideds the stairs that lead to my office. I am the only one up here, all others are down
16:54:41 <Zsjoelfir> also, lunch break in 5 mins!
16:54:55 <Halcyon> As lest you have a very clean behind
16:54:58 <Halcyon> *least
16:55:07 <Zsjoelfir> oh absolutely, it felt gorgeous
16:55:13 <Halcyon> Hahahahaha
16:55:17 <Zsjoelfir> nearly as good as when I use my bidet at home
16:55:36 <Halcyon> I need to shower after poopies
16:56:00 <Zsjoelfir> I can feel that wish, but I would pay waaaay too much for water and heaters that way
16:56:10 <Zsjoelfir> which is why I prefer to use the bidet. it is nice enough
16:56:15 <Halcyon> Is water expensive there?
16:57:05 <Zsjoelfir> roughly 4 euro per cubic meter
16:57:10 <Zsjoelfir> cold water that is
16:57:34 <Halcyon> We pay AUD$2.38 per kilolitre
16:58:07 <Zsjoelfir> hot water is way worse though, roughly 0.5 cent per liter, depending on how the apartment heats it up.
16:58:13 <Zsjoelfir> also: lunch break. brb in 15 mins
17:21:48 <Zsjoelfir> sooooo.... managed to sneak it in there without problems, yay!
17:25:15 <Zsjoelfir> also I noticed: jelly is not ideal to be taken with you on a motorcycle. When I wanted to enjoy it in my lunch I had some extremely sweet peach maracuja drink
17:27:10 <Halcyon> I hope you put it on hot wash Zsjoelfir :P
17:27:55 <Zsjoelfir> it is. its only for towels
17:37:43 * Halcyon hugs Zsjoelfir
17:37:51 <Zsjoelfir> wee!
17:37:53 * Zsjoelfir hugs Halcyon back
17:38:06 <Halcyon> You smell fresh Zsjoelfir :P
17:38:15 <Zsjoelfir> I smell like peach jelly
17:38:18 <Zsjoelfir> "jelly"
17:38:39 <Halcyon> Mmmm peach
17:38:43 <Halcyon> I love summer fruits
17:38:50 <Halcyon> They are my favourite
17:39:10 <Zsjoelfir> I love most fruits in general. But I somehow rarely eat them
17:39:34 <Halcyon> I'm the same
17:39:47 <Halcyon> I don't like grapefruit though
17:40:10 <Halcyon> It's like eating a battery
17:40:44 <Zsjoelfir> the misses showed me how to eat those so that they are delicious
17:40:57 <Halcyon> Covered in sugar?
17:41:15 <Zsjoelfir> and since I don't need anti depress....ion.....medicationstuff anymore I am even allowed to eat those, yays!
17:41:18 <Zsjoelfir> well, almost.
17:41:35 <Zsjoelfir> not completely covered, but cut in halt and topped with a light crust of sugar
17:41:59 <Zsjoelfir> than spooning out the filets, and when done, squeezing the remaining juice into a cup to enjoy
17:42:10 <Halcyon> To be fair, I don't think I've eaten grapefruit for about 20 years. Perhaps I should buy one and see if my grown up palate still disagrees
17:42:27 <Zsjoelfir> you should. I was astonished when I tried it
17:42:49 <Halcyon> Sans the sugar though
17:42:54 <Halcyon> I rarely put sugar in anything
17:43:06 <Zsjoelfir> same, if I can avoid it
17:43:47 <Halcyon> I made a sandwich yesterday and spread hot english mustard quite thickly on both sides of the bread. It didn't sting my nose.
17:44:39 <Zsjoelfir> eating stuff that doesn't hurt you seems pretty nice? ;P
17:44:53 <Halcyon> That was part of the enjoyment
17:45:03 <Zsjoelfir> I harvested the first ripe chili on my small chili bush thing. dang was that bastard hot
17:45:07 <Halcyon> You know how the song goes.... It's a fine line between pleasure and pain
17:45:13 <Zsjoelfir> absolutely
17:45:18 <Halcyon> Oh the small ones are the spiciest!
17:45:49 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://twitter.com/segamstim/status/1551204805229498368/photo/1
17:45:50 <EEVBot> [Twitter] SegaMasterTim Redux (@segamstim): Good night guys! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYY1U4IaQAAQoaA.jpg | 12 RTs | 137 ♥s | Posted: 2022-07-24 - 13:57:00UTC
17:46:29 <T3sl4> why not SNESMasterTim
17:47:53 <T3sl4> electrohead: just had a one of these btw https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/58881/534989/
17:47:53 <EEVBot> [url] Nomad's Paradise | Humble Forager Brewery | BeerAdvocate | www.beeradvocate.com
17:48:14 <T3sl4> was ridiculously expensive for a two pack tallboy??
17:48:21 <Halcyon> Can we do this to you Zsjoelfir: https://twitter.com/TheFigen/status/1550911126287929346
17:48:22 <EEVBot> [Twitter] Figen (@TheFigen): This is awesome! WoW 👏👏 ⏎ https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/809273677854314496/pu/vid/640x360/IFCuIuY-rGq3Rko6.mp4 | 59253 RTs | 284503 ♥s | Posted: 2022-07-23 - 18:30:01UTC
17:48:34 <T3sl4> don't know that i'd say worth the price, but a very pleasant experience
17:48:55 <T3sl4> awesome world of warcraft?
17:49:22 <Zsjoelfir> if you want, you can. but there's more hair that will probably dampen the sound xD
17:49:40 <T3sl4> Halcyon: you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
17:49:58 <Halcyon> Apparently so
17:50:08 <Halcyon> I don't mind a bit of chonk
17:50:15 <T3sl4> dad bod
17:50:18 <Halcyon> Indeed
17:50:50 <T3sl4> i know a pan guy you'd like, he's kinda chonky
17:50:50 <Halcyon> T3sl4, once electrohead receives my beer package and has a chance to evaluate (I don't drink beer), I shall send you his recommendations
17:50:55 <Halcyon> I sent him 6 different local IPAs
17:50:57 <T3sl4> hah
17:51:09 <T3sl4> actually he's lost a bit of weight lately, pretty cool
17:51:12 <Halcyon> Pics?
17:51:19 <T3sl4> um
17:51:23 <Halcyon> Wait is it you?
17:51:24 <Halcyon> :P
17:51:25 <T3sl4> on FB, doubt they're public?
18:26:13 <K> hello transconductances
18:30:19 <Zsjoelfir> hi space-charge effect
18:33:30 * K sparks some
18:35:50 * T3sl4 heats K to thermionic emission
18:36:03 <K> you fiend
18:36:12 <T3sl4> friend*
18:38:45 * T3sl4 choobs Zsjoelfir
18:40:49 <K> im not googling that
18:40:50 * Zsjoelfir starts emitting a faint blue glow
18:55:40 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/NkSHV99
18:55:41 <EEVBot> [url] Every day is caturday - Day 28 - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
19:45:03 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
19:48:32 <K> dumb halky
19:49:16 <K> hey Halcyon, how is it looking down there wrt to covid restrictions, prognosis?
19:59:44 <Halcyon> Well, the cases seem to be somewhat stable (but still many per day) but no one seems to mind too much. Most cases involve little to no symptoms.
20:00:20 <Halcyon> I think people are just letting it run its course at this point. Almost all of the population have 2 shots, some have 3 and even 4 at this point.
20:00:34 <Halcyon> I'm looking at my 5th vaccine once the updated one makes it way through the supply chain
20:05:23 <K> so no talks about restricting international visitors
20:05:41 <Halcyon> No, not at this point, even domestic restrictions have only decreased, not increased.
20:06:05 <K> ok
20:07:00 <K> then there is still a chance i get to go see dropbears, although clients subcontractors sure are dragging their feet w construction
20:07:40 <K> not inconcievable that i will start new job before it gets finalized and aproved
20:08:17 <Halcyon> We would love to have you here K
20:09:06 <K> would not much pleasure trip though, installations always are kinda stressfull and unpredictable
20:09:18 <Halcyon> What kind of installations do you do?
20:09:20 <K> and gf will not come with me, 2k5 for tickets is a bit much
20:09:27 <Halcyon> Yeh not cheap
20:09:31 <K> camera systems for entertainment parks
20:09:39 <Halcyon> Like CCTV?
20:09:44 <K> no, sellable content
20:09:49 <Halcyon> Ahhh right
20:10:27 <Halcyon> What does the hardware side of things look like? Obviously you'd have some kind of half-decent camera/lighting set up.... is it IP based?
20:10:28 <K> but! now i have an idea that we should go there as tourists anyway
20:10:48 <Halcyon> Then how do you trigger photos on say a roller coaster? Are they stills or video frames?
20:10:52 <K> https://www.captomatic.com/offride-camera-system
20:10:53 <EEVBot> [url] Heavy Duty Attraction Cameras for Entertainment Industry | www.captomatic.com
20:11:14 <K> will be doing off-ride cameras there
20:11:23 <Halcyon> off-ride being.... ?
20:11:37 <Halcyon> The cameras mounted on poles etc... /
20:11:39 <Halcyon> ?
20:11:40 <K> yea
20:12:12 <Halcyon> Interesting you use Canon EF lens mounts
20:12:18 <K> yeah
20:12:23 <K> that took some doing
20:12:38 <Halcyon> I guess why re-invent the wheel when someone else is doing decent glass for you
20:12:58 <K> c-mount lenses are not good enough for sellable photos/videos
20:13:11 <K> also no controllable focus/aperture
20:14:10 <Halcyon> Gees, the cameras certainly aren't cheap
20:14:27 <Halcyon> I'm assuming part of that is the software as well?
20:14:48 <K> yes
20:15:09 <K> the stuff that goes inside them is not cheap
20:16:04 <K> jetson is 600, camera module 800-2000, lens 1000-2000 + custom electronics and materials/machinig
20:16:30 <Halcyon> Are they sealed units to prevent condensation ?
20:16:34 <K> yes
20:16:54 <Halcyon> Yeh I was going to say, those Canon and Nikon lenses don't like moisture
20:17:01 <Halcyon> Get all kinds of yuck growing in them
20:17:25 <K> we have one installation that is outdoors for 2 years now, no problems
20:17:31 <Halcyon> Very nice
20:21:27 <K> outdoor camera usualy goes with a led strobe or two
20:21:39 <Halcyon> For effects?
20:21:51 <K> for light
20:22:05 <Halcyon> Sorry, I read that as "red"
20:22:13 <Halcyon> I must be tired
20:22:25 <K> the light varries during daytime and also allows to have content at night
20:26:32 <K> we could put on red filters though hehe
20:26:42 <Zsjoelfir> for "special" scene shots
20:27:11 <K> "burn out your retinas with red instead of white light"-attactions yea
20:27:27 <Zsjoelfir> that sounds perfectly fine to me, doesn't it? :P speaking of which, meeting is done, in 3 minutes its lunch break. where should I go? aldi, lidl or edeka?
20:28:06 <K> today - aldi
20:28:18 <Zsjoelfir> ok. will do that than :)
20:28:30 <Zsjoelfir> what should I get?
20:28:54 <Halcyon> Isn't that why submarines use red light? It impacts the eyes less
20:29:03 * Halcyon hugs Zsjoelfir
20:29:23 <Zsjoelfir> ok, I try to get a hug
20:29:29 <Zsjoelfir> but I am not sure they sell these there
20:29:49 <Halcyon> For money, you can get anything you want
20:30:03 <Zsjoelfir> true
20:30:15 <Zsjoelfir> so. lunch! back in half an hour
20:30:24 <Halcyon> Can't guarantee the quality...
20:30:27 <Halcyon> Enjoy lunch Zsjoelfir
20:43:46 <Ampera> good morning
21:17:40 <rust_collector> submarined don't use lights, because they have no windows
21:19:37 * Ampera sneezes
21:19:40 <Ampera> hello rust_collector
21:19:45 <Ampera> did you start collecting rust again?
21:19:48 <rust_collector> HELLO!
21:20:15 <rust_collector> I am getting there, just a little bit, and I will go outside again
21:20:26 <Ampera> ew
21:20:29 <Ampera> outside is gross
21:20:59 <rust_collector> yes, that is why I have my house outside, so I can go inside
21:21:13 <Ampera> good
21:38:11 * Halcyon licks Ampera
21:38:45 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
21:38:48 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
21:38:55 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK
21:38:59 <Halcyon> How are you?
21:39:02 <Ampera> awake
21:39:26 <Halcyon> That's a start I suppose?
21:39:32 <Ampera> and a lie too
21:39:33 <Ampera> I need tea
21:39:38 <Halcyon> What flavour?
21:40:00 <Ampera> bigelow, earl grey
21:40:05 <Ampera> cheap but tasty
21:54:41 <Zsjoelfir> just like me
21:55:03 * Ampera hugs Zsjoelfir
21:55:08 <Ampera> how are you doings Zsjoelfirend?
21:55:12 <rust_collector> he said cheap and tasty. not nas..oh, wait
21:55:14 <Zsjoelfir> thats 10$
21:55:22 <Zsjoelfir> I am doing fine, you?
21:55:26 <Ampera> lol
21:55:33 <Ampera> I am maybe slowly starting to wake up
21:55:45 <Zsjoelfir> thats a good thing to do
21:55:48 <Zsjoelfir> at day
21:55:50 <Ampera> it looks like shit outside, but annoyingly not shit to take out the power and let me have a day off
21:55:52 <Zsjoelfir> at night a bit less
21:55:53 <Halcyon> Fucking Finlad and their insane shipping costs
21:56:00 <Ampera> Finlad
21:56:00 <Halcyon> 160 euros for 1.5 kg to AU
21:56:02 <Ampera> :D
21:56:05 <Halcyon> *Finland
21:56:22 <Ampera> well don't live in the country road on the middle of nowhere :D
21:56:50 <Halcyon> That's to get it to Sydney
21:57:08 <Halcyon> I knew Finland was up there in terms of cost of living (like Sydney) but fucking hell
21:57:29 <rust_collector> I would not ride my bike to sydney for 160 eurodollars
21:57:47 <Halcyon> Hahah
21:57:56 <Halcyon> Boat would be quicker
21:58:15 <rust_collector> but that costs even more, so you would pay 200
21:58:37 <Halcyon> Thankfully Zsjoelfir is hopefully helping me out
21:58:55 <Halcyon> FI to DE should be cheap... right?
21:59:06 <rust_collector> no,
21:59:11 <Halcyon> Argh
21:59:24 <rust_collector> shipping things is not cheap
21:59:33 <Halcyon> This is the first I've heard of it
21:59:45 <Halcyon> I send stuff to USA all the time
22:00:05 <rust_collector> but, he seems to have a thing for finding "obscure" companies to ship with, so.
22:00:14 <Halcyon> Australia Post?
22:00:44 <rust_collector> you want to use australia post to go to finland, and pick up a box for you?
22:01:16 <Halcyon> AusPost is from here to there.... actually I wonder how much that would be....
22:01:31 <rust_collector> that, is a good question
22:02:06 <Halcyon> 2 kg is AUD$68.10 for 10-15 day shipping
22:02:35 <Halcyon> Which is about 46 euro
22:02:52 <rust_collector> that is pretty ok
22:03:07 <Halcyon> It's reasonable
22:03:10 <Halcyon> Not 160
22:03:19 <Zsjoelfir> thats cheaper than sending 25 kilos from here to norway
22:04:31 <rust_collector> so, maybe you have to send a box, with a "return" barcode.....so you sort of ship it from australia, from finlandland
22:04:49 <Halcyon> That would actually be cheaper
22:05:55 <rust_collector> remember the rma code !
22:05:55 <Halcyon> 100 grams from here to FI is AUD$26.40
22:06:09 <Halcyon> The problem is the return costs, those will still be high
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22:06:43 <rust_collector> but will they be as high as finland post?
22:07:03 <Halcyon> Well I assume so, because you can't initiate a post from FI using Australia Post
22:07:16 <Halcyon> One way only
22:07:27 <rust_collector> not even if it is a return?
22:07:58 <Halcyon> I don't believe there is such a thing. It's from point A to point B.... not then back to point A again.
22:08:26 <rust_collector> the box of suomi chocolate and salmiakki was broken on the way from australia to finlandland, so it has to be returned
22:08:26 <Halcyon> 2 kg from AU to DE is AUD$15.30
22:08:28 <Halcyon> So cheap
22:09:54 <Halcyon> Or $101.40 for 2-4 day delivery, which is still cheaper than the other cold place
22:10:28 <Halcyon> I wonder how that translates to TB/day....
22:14:48 <Halcyon> Assuming 54 grams for 34x Samsung 8TB SSDs (the rest in packaging) over 4 days is about 68 Terabytes per day, which is about 6.2 Gigabit/sec
22:20:16 <Zsjoelfir> what do you need those fast moving SSDs for?
22:20:45 <Halcyon> The TB per kilogram advantage over spinning rust
22:42:02 <Zsjoelfir> you have a small amount of data in your home
22:42:57 <electrohead> o/
22:43:27 * Ampera hugs electrohead
22:43:35 <Ampera> They day I go full SSD is well and truly far off.
22:43:57 * electrohead pops
22:43:58 <Ampera> I can get 6TB enterprise drives refurbished for 60 bucks, I can't even get 1TB of NVMe for that.
22:51:14 <DHess_US> As discussed in that thread, I don't even boot my systems from SSD.
22:51:30 <DHess_US> No speed advantage over a small hardware RAID.
22:53:57 <Ampera> It depends on the system.
22:54:07 <Ampera> I've found FreeBSD and Linux boot just fine off spinning rust
22:54:09 <Ampera> Windows hates it.
22:54:29 <DHess_US> I'm using Windows, but I'm also using bootable hardware RAID.
22:54:33 <Ampera> A fast SSD is nice on Linux, but I've never found it absolutely necessary. I am using ZFS on my thinkpad
22:54:46 <Ampera> RAID is probably why it's a bit nicer, because Windows seems to care about random access more than it probably should
22:55:18 <DHess_US> There is some speed advantage with an SSD, but it isn't significant over the hardware RAID I'm using.
22:55:32 <Ampera> do you have 10 or 15k drives?
22:55:35 <Ampera> lff, sff?
22:55:44 <DHess_US> And with RAID, I get fault tolerance, bulk storage, and unlimited endurance.
22:55:56 <DHess_US> no, just performance oriented 7200
22:55:59 <Ampera> My compute server has two RAIDZ1's with 10k LFF drives
22:56:12 <DHess_US> I have some old 10k drives but they are SCSI.
22:56:28 <Ampera> I am kinda not happy with how I configured them. I think I may eventually buy some more 900GB LFF drives and make all 8 drives a single pool
22:56:35 <Ampera> then I can do something like RAIDZ2 or such
22:56:45 <DHess_US> The RAID is caching, which combines with the readahead built into the drives to prefetch a lot.
22:57:10 <Ampera> I do have an NVMe SSD in that server, but it's used for serving files and my SQL databases
22:57:15 <Ampera> where random access is somewhat important
22:57:19 <DHess_US> That is prefetch without conflicting with reads.
22:58:11 <DHess_US> When I tested booting from SSD and using it for everything, it was going to run out of endurance in less than a year.
22:59:19 <DHess_US> I have an NVMe for swap and temp only now, and even that is going to run out of endurance before the warranty expires, so I'm going to move temp to a RAID10 volume.
22:59:38 <Ampera> What are you doing that's so high transaction that you can chew through an SSD in a year
22:59:54 <DHess_US> A better question is what other people are doing that isn't.
23:00:03 <DHess_US> I think most people are using their systems as media boxes.
23:00:29 <rust1> I think you are right, pretty much
23:01:39 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/FredSchultz35/status/1551257188001259520
23:01:40 <EEVBot> [Twitter] Fred Schultz (@FredSchultz35): Bessie gave into temptation and found out what cow tipping was all about.😏😂🐄 https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1551257174722191360/pu/vid/460x460/bgt5rVd53N_i3_Rn.mp4?tag=12 | 5237 RTs | 35432 ♥s | Posted: 2022-07-24 - 17:25:09UTC
23:02:36 <Ampera> I don't believe I do a lot of excessive writing. You might be more right than wrong.
23:02:54 <Ampera> This is a question that's gonna answer itself for me, but I'm not completely concerned.
23:02:59 <Ampera> Worse case in a few years I buy new SSDs.
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