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13:44 <electrohead> third day in a row, getting old lol
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16:17 <electrohead> anywho
16:21 * electrohead yawns and waves
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27:06 <LordGeir> @electrohead Thanks for letting me know. I had ISP issues (they were working on my line without my knowledge)!
28:32 <electrohead> he talks!
28:39 <electrohead> Lol, cheers
28:57 <LordGeir> Hate it when they do that. It's bad enough that all I can get is 4G (soon 5G)
29:40 <electrohead> heh, who's your ISP?
29:40 <LordGeir> I forgot I had IRC open, was out working on my mower, and this was going on... smh
29:48 <LordGeir> Telenor (Norway)
29:54 <electrohead> Ahh ok
30:20 <electrohead> Yeah I have spectrum right now (north carolina, usa), and they are pretty good
30:33 <electrohead> That said though, I have access to fiber, which is fucking nice
30:58 <electrohead> Will probably upgrade within another month or two
31:21 <LordGeir> Mine is 99.99% uptime normally, but I just got a message they're upgrading my "station" to support 5G, which will take 2-3 weeks
32:11 <LordGeir> I could connect to fiber, but initial cost would be $12-1500+ which is insane, given that the monthly cost is $120-150
32:48 <electrohead> Heh, yeah it's not cheap depending where you are
33:05 <electrohead> And, brb, hitting the store up right fast
33:26 <LordGeir> I live way outside any city, so...
40:24 <electrohead> So do I, actually
40:26 <electrohead> :P
40:41 <electrohead> (Easier to run fiber out in the country, when you don't have to worry about digging shit up, lol)
40:52 <electrohead> And, leaving now, had to get dressed haha
41:27 <LordGeir> True, but Norway is unfortunately a VERY expensive country to live in. (But we do have free health care)
42:29 <LordGeir> Fex gas prices today: $10.1 /gal
43:16 <LordGeir> And electricity: almost $.50 /kWh
49:09 <K> why is electricity so expensive though
49:34 <rust1> "free" health care, yes
49:36 <K> i though you had plenty for use and export
49:38 <K> ah.
50:04 <K> fair enough i guess
50:30 <LordGeir> Because the idiots that regulate the power decided a couple of years ago to dump a lot of our water reservoirs (because they expected a lot of rain and snow melt)
50:58 <LordGeir> Unfortunately that didn't happen. Very little rain, and almost now snow that could melt, resulted in low reservoirs
51:31 <K> have the idiots been disposed of?
51:39 <LordGeir> They had exported all the power, so now we have to pay 2-4000% more than we usually do
51:50 <LordGeir> K I wish!
52:37 <K> not optimal
53:23 <LordGeir> rust1: It is 99.5% free. We have a maximum we pay each year, for anything. Once that amount is reached, we don't pay anything
53:38 <rust1> yes, I know.
53:41 <LordGeir> This year, the amount was roughly $250
53:45 <rust1> we still pay...
54:02 <LordGeir> Well, yeah... Taxes :P
54:59 <LordGeir> You from the Vestland area?
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32:35 <Ysjoelfir> re-ish
33:05 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
33:11 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfirend?
34:33 <Ysjoelfir> Better than I already was, as I received the note from the bank about the account I had with my ex being closed tomorrow, which is what I was working towards the last weeks, and now that abusive bitch can finally kiss my ass (\o/ combined with 8) )
34:39 <Ysjoelfir> also, brb, cooking
34:48 <Ysjoelfir> tell me how you are in the meantime
35:20 <Ampera> that reminds me I need to do something similar
35:22 <Ampera> I am doing okay
35:37 <Ampera> trying to get my brain to figure out what the hell I did in my code again
35:42 <Ampera> so I can then completely rewrite it
36:13 <Ampera> this is a GPS emulator, and I originally wrote it to precalculate everything. Now I want it to be more state machine so I don't have to precalculate big tables of things every time something changes
36:22 <Ampera> and then to simplify the code
38:58 * electrohead hug-pokes Ysjoelfir
08:28 <Ysjoelfir> thats not ideal :D but yes, do that than Ampera ^^
08:38 * Ysjoelfir returns cooking, poking electrohead while passing him
08:46 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, what food are you cookerizing
09:52 <Lemon> waddup peeps !
10:00 <Ampera> Le mon!
10:11 <Lemon> ampy :>
10:15 <Ampera> How are you doing ez-sqeez?
10:29 * electrohead juices Lemon while being poked
10:33 <Lemon> ho im ok, been working and a bit stalled on some arduino coding :>
10:40 <Ampera> cool
10:44 <Lemon> fixed the rear light for who wanted to know !
10:50 <Ampera> did your e-bike kill you yet?
11:05 <Lemon> well no im not using it a lot as I want to finish the cop mode first x)
11:10 <Lemon> hence the arduino fuckery :p
11:14 <Ampera> cop mode?
11:34 <Lemon> my controller got no pedal assist input, so im trying to take this signal (pulses) to transform it to one the throttle input can read
11:49 <Lemon> yeah an hidden mode that disable throttle, enable pedal assist, limit speed to 25 kph
11:55 <Lemon> to make the bike legal
12:03 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, I am doing.... erm..... chicken with pak-choi, bellpepper and rice...stuff. they call it terryaki chicken
12:04 <Ampera> lol
12:16 <Lemon> ysjoelfir hello :>
12:21 <Ampera> and I was thinking that cop mode was to add another 40hp to get away from the cops faster
12:23 <Ysjoelfir> hi le mon
12:24 <Lemon> but yeah im stuck as hell, im not really good at coding
12:29 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, that certainly sounds like a food that someone can eat
12:33 <Lemon> well, thats what ive been joking on the whole time
12:39 <Lemon> "cops can stop you if you can outrun them"
12:45 <Lemon> but now I want some peace of mind xD
12:58 <Lemon> its a 5k hab town, they'll find me quickly :>
13:11 <Lemon> I'll use that in last chance only
13:24 <Lemon> if for example they saw me doing insane speed, yeah im not stopping for them to seize the bike
13:36 <Lemon> its dumb but fuck that, too much money, too much work, sweat etc
13:50 <Lemon> but after that I can never drive the bike again here
13:54 <Lemon> so that would suck hard
14:37 <Lemon> so here we are, a neat guy from the bike discord is helping me but jesus im totally lost
14:44 <Lemon> it shouldnt be too hard tho
14:45 <Ampera> Lemon, what would it take to get it classified as a motorcycle
14:54 <Lemon> its near impossible here sadly
14:59 <Lemon> im still trying to find out how
14:59 <Ampera> :/
15:05 <Lemon> I would definitively do it if I could
15:10 <Lemon> even pay for insurrance, put a plate etc
15:18 <Lemon> but well
15:23 <Lemon> france is shit for that
15:30 <Lemon> funny thing is that you can do it in UK
15:41 <Lemon> and god knows UK and france are kinda alike when it takes to stupid shit
16:18 <Ampera> france seems like if portland was a country
16:26 <Ampera> everyone is always setting things on fire
16:29 <Lemon> im still slowly trying to make it "legal" for the day I find out if its really possible
16:30 <Ampera> rioting is the national sport
16:38 <Ampera> everyone is poorer than you'd think
16:43 <Lemon> yeah its becomming a shithole
16:50 <Ampera> lol
16:53 <Lemon> the town where I live is that
16:59 <Lemon> everybody got 20 IQ at best
17:03 <Lemon> lives on social aids
17:06 <electrohead> poor people unite \o/
17:14 <Ampera> the sorta people who would get confused at opening an automatic door
17:31 <Lemon> the kind that doesnt respect anybody and says "everybody is always against me"
17:37 <Lemon> like my upper neighboor
17:43 <Lemon> she comes to tell me about a tobacco smell
17:50 <Lemon> I don't even smoke in my flat, only outside
17:59 <Ampera> so schizos
18:00 <Lemon> I say ok well as you can see blabla I dont smoke here
18:11 <Lemon> she starts saying "I cant eat I cant sleep because of it"
18:17 <Lemon> yeahhhh ok highly doubt it but ok
18:27 <Lemon> it goes on and on and on because im patient
18:44 <Lemon> "if you don't stop I'll send my bf (shes 50, full of xanax) to beat you up"
18:48 <Lemon> "and I'll call the police"
18:54 <Lemon> I said "in what order ? " XD
18:57 <Ampera> hahahaha
19:04 <Lemon> those people live in their own world really
19:15 <Lemon> imaginary tobacco smell ? police will def cuff me up
19:22 <Lemon> sending people to beat somebody up ? nope legal
19:39 <Ampera> if they arrested everyone for smoking here we'd have a lot fewer people, and a lot fewer bodegas
19:40 <Lemon> same lady that for 6 months filled my trash
19:49 <Ampera> you'd like it here
19:51 <Lemon> made me pay 10 euros more per year aswell as every other neighboor
19:57 <Ampera> we have the same sort of unsavory fucking maniacs
20:10 <Lemon> same lady that walk her dog at midnight, shitty dog barks to death and waks up everybody
20:20 <Ampera> hah
20:20 <Lemon> but ye everybody is against her you know
20:24 <Lemon> for no reasons
20:24 <Ampera> if people only walked their dogs at night
20:26 <Ampera> no
20:40 <Lemon> ho its not the issue, issue is she always hold it in her arms
20:43 <Lemon> so its a little piece of shit
20:47 <Lemon> you never do that with small dogs
21:00 <Lemon> that turns them into little shit that thinks they are stronger than everybody
21:06 <Lemon> and barks all the fucking  time
21:11 <Ampera> they drive their subaru outback shitbox down the road at 45mph blasting your choice of rap, reggae, or some guy being beaten to death with a bass guitar
21:12 <Ampera> 3am
21:39 <Lemon> ha ye here its the only people that got money somehow, wait for the word that nobody should say
21:41 <Lemon> "arabs"
21:52 <Lemon> they all ride rs3s, bmw m5 competition etc
21:52 <Ampera> arabs are actually pretty ok here
22:02 <Lemon> they ride at 150kph in town (yes)
22:10 <Lemon> at all times
22:21 <Lemon> never get arrested because its much easier to stop little white honest peeps
22:25 <Ampera> most of the arabs have normal jobs, have nice stores, good restaurants, fucking know each other always somehow
22:32 <Lemon> they know they have no real jobs so they can't pay fines, I can
22:38 <Lemon> yeah definitively not here
22:43 <Ampera> we have like 7000 arabs in my town alone and they all know each other
22:43 <Lemon> id say 10% of them are great lads
22:55 <Lemon> france is a shithole in great part due to them
23:02 <Lemon> racism got turned around
23:09 <Lemon> its not us now, its them hating us
23:13 <Lemon> because we exist
23:36 <Ampera> shhh, don't say that, it's unpossible for you to be discriminated against
23:57 <Ampera> if you were treated bad you obviously were just so racist they wanted to hate you
25:07 <Lemon> yeah ofc lol
25:11 <Lemon> and the fun part
25:22 <Ampera> most of my new PC/server parts just got delivered :D
25:22 <Lemon> little leftist believe anti white racism isnt a thing
25:27 <Lemon> hehe neat :P
25:35 <Ampera> now I'm just waiting for the CPU
25:35 <Lemon> everytime I talk to you you build a new server Xd
25:43 <Ampera> well you talk to me once a year, so
25:49 <Ampera> come round more :P
26:00 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera http://img.pdi.engineering/food/Teryaki%20Chicken.jpg
26:13 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, what kind of rice
26:31 <Ysjoelfir> Basmati, cooked in half water, half coconut milk
26:37 <Ysjoelfir> with a bit of salt
26:37 <Ampera> neat
26:44 * Ampera squeezes some Lemon on top
27:00 <Ysjoelfir> some Lemon on top would probably be very nice
27:01 <Ampera> Lemon, this is replacing both the servers you saw me build about a year ago
27:04 <Lemon> yeah thats true I don't come often
27:11 <Lemon> ho ok nice !
27:12 <Ampera> they're costing too much to run
27:20 <Lemon> to that point ? damn
27:24 <Ampera> they take 1000W at idle
27:28 <Ampera> soooooooooo
27:34 <Ampera> power bill for last month was 300USD
27:34 <Ampera> >.>
29:08 <electrohead> o.O
29:13 <electrohead> damn dude
29:27 <Ampera> tl;dr it's gonna be an i9-12900K, 2x32GB DDR4 3600 (may max it to 128GB some day), 3x1TB NVMe SSD (maybe), and like 60TB worth of hard drives or so
29:27 * electrohead adds soy sauce to Ysjoelfir's food
29:35 <Ysjoelfir> more?
29:45 <Ysjoelfir> there already is a bunch of that in the chicken
29:52 <electrohead> oh oh
29:56 * electrohead adds hot sauce then
29:58 <electrohead> lol
30:06 <Ysjoelfir> nice :D
30:23 * Ampera squirts some sriracha at electrohead 
30:40 <Ampera> idk people keep saying there's a shortage, I found a bottle for a normal price at my local supermarket
30:58 <Lemon> 300 usd damn
31:04 <Lemon> thats a nice machine !!!
31:04 <Ampera> yeahhhhhh
31:08 <Ampera> It should be
31:12 <Ampera> probably about twice as fast as what I have now
31:37 <Ampera> which is amazing, because this is only 8+8 cores, whereas I have 40 cores, and another 12 on the side now
35:15 <Ysjoelfir> what did you run up until now?
35:38 <Ampera> a quad socket Proliant DL580G7, and a dual socket supermicro thing of the same era
35:54 <Ysjoelfir> DL580.... wasnt that socket 771?
35:56 <Ampera> proliant is 4x10 Westmere-EX, supermicro is 2x6 Westmere-EP
35:59 <Ampera> no
36:00 <Ampera> it's, uh
36:02 <Ampera> one sec
36:29 <Ampera> LGA 1567
36:31 <Ysjoelfir> I think I had a DL....dunno, a pizza box with dual 771 and a second one with 604
36:42 <Ampera> 4x E7-4870
36:50 <Ampera> G7 is Westmere
37:01 <Ampera> the supermicro thingy is 2x X5680
37:57 <Ampera> I mean, 6 sockets is why the power consumption is immense
38:05 <Ampera> only other reason is I have closing in on 20 hard drives
38:12 <Ampera> maybe even a bit more or so
38:34 <Ampera> DDR3 is also more power consumption than DDR4, so 128GB + 48GB is a lot of power just in RAM alone
38:46 <Ysjoelfir> thats very true
39:07 <Ysjoelfir> I am still wondering what I want to use for my.... dunno, "play around with station"
40:37 <Ysjoelfir> I have a nice old EYE..... something something server case with like 15 5.25" drive bays, and already 3 quad/....quadplusone HDD cages in there, stuffed with 4TB drives.
40:56 * Ampera pokes Ysjoelfir's EYE
41:10 * electrohead films
41:38 <Ysjoelfir> I think I want to use it as a backup server that only runs like once a week, snags all the data from the two external HDDs sitting on my router, and shuts off again. maybe from time to time it can be used to log data in the lab, so it will get a GPIB card
43:31 <Ysjoelfir> aah, I think it was the big brother of the EYE 910
44:15 <Ampera> I actually have a Compaq Proliant in my basement
44:21 <Ampera> I don't use it for anything at the moment, but it's a dual slot 1 machine
44:38 <Ampera> I should probably do a something with that at some point
46:57 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
47:05 <Ysjoelfir> I love slot 1
47:12 <Ysjoelfir> grab 2 slotkets and 2 tualatins
48:12 <rust_collector> oooh, such nerd!
48:37 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
48:41 <Ysjoelfir> also: http://img.pdi.engineering/food/chili.jpg
49:39 <electrohead> oooo
49:57 <electrohead> also - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IlfBV1B9CI @ 3:42 - o.o
49:57 <EEVBot> [url] All Your GameCube Games At Your Fingertips! - YouTube | www.youtube.com
50:10 <electrohead> browsing random ass videos, and came across this
50:28 <Ysjoelfir> oooooooh!
50:57 <electrohead> this dude needs to be smacked
51:17 <Ysjoelfir> why?
51:43 <Ampera> yeah, why
51:50 <electrohead> do you see that solder job?
51:53 <Ampera> looks like it's just a video on a normal gamecube loader
51:59 <Ysjoelfir> i did not watch it yet :D
52:02 <Ampera> ^
52:05 <electrohead> lol.
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> but its in my watch later tab
52:56 <Kuschelpony> https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/lawyer-jpeg.304525/
53:04 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: you'll feel the pain I felt when seeing what I saw
53:06 <electrohead> heh
53:12 <electrohead> Kuschelpony: lol
53:35 <Ysjoelfir> than I need to check it out now
53:44 <Ysjoelfir> lol Kuschelpony
53:58 <rust_collector> it looks chilli down there. brrr
55:24 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead
55:34 <Ysjoelfir> did he really say it does produce the cleanest result?
56:03 <Ysjoelfir> I am sure if I would have soldered that down with 5 wires it would have been a lot tidyer
56:33 <electrohead> rofl.
56:46 <electrohead> I so want to break into his house, to fix the mess for him
58:37 <Ysjoelfir> "i turned it just slightly and it came out to 177 ohms".... wtf dude, thats probably a 500R pot, so he changed it roughly 20%, thats not slightly!
58:46 <electrohead> right!?
59:19 <Ampera> you people are weird
59:28 <electrohead> I remember when I was a kid, and I was fucking around with an old xbox that barely worked; I probably turned it down 15% or so, and it burned a hole in the disc xD
59:50 <electrohead> Ampera: danke <3
59:55 <Ampera> ah, the diode pot for the optical drive
00:01 <Ampera> I had to do that to my dreamcast to get it to read burned discs
00:23 <electrohead> you at least did it more correctly, yes?
00:47 <Ampera> idk how you fuck it up
01:04 <Ampera> you turn it until it starts working, or you start seeing holes in the ceiling
01:50 <Ampera> Dreamcast doesn't need a mod chip or anything
01:56 <Ampera> so it's a lot simpler
02:43 <electrohead> I've always wanted a dreamcast
03:13 <rust_collector> I have never wanted one, but internet likes reminding me that it is a thing that seems to exist
03:36 <Ampera> electrohead, they're not that special
03:45 <Ampera> I used mine a bit and now it lives in a drawer
03:55 <Ampera> the VMUs are cool, until they start devouring CR2023's like they're candy
04:01 <electrohead> heh
04:11 <electrohead> yeah I would love to buy one
04:33 <electrohead> a goal over time, is to own most of the game consoles
05:14 <Ampera> I was always kinda behind the times with consoles as a kid, so the gamecube, n64, dreamcast era stuff is kinda nostalgic for me
05:28 <Ampera> GBC/GBA era too
05:45 <Ampera> I still play Gen 2 pokemon now and then
05:46 <Ysjoelfir> me too
05:52 <Ysjoelfir> that as well
05:57 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, well it's not weird for you, you're older than I am
06:00 <Ampera> I was born in 2002
06:09 <Ysjoelfir> I forgot
06:17 <Ampera> you forgot how old you were?
06:18 <Ampera> nice
06:22 <Ysjoelfir> yes
06:25 <Ampera> <3
06:27 <electrohead> lol
06:33 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: we're old \o/
06:46 <Ysjoelfir> the misses always has to remind me
06:53 <Ampera> that you're old?
06:55 <Ampera> doesn't seem that nice
06:57 <Ampera> but ok
07:14 <Ysjoelfir> I sometimes wonder when I get up or shower and wonder, why I have grey hair
07:29 <Ampera> my hair isn't grey, but it doesn't fucking behave for shit
07:31 <Ysjoelfir> ok, that sentence was borked, but you get what I want to say
07:37 <Ysjoelfir> mine doesn't either
07:38 <Ampera> I keep contemplating getting it professionally straightened
07:58 <electrohead> Ampera: just shave it, done deal :p
08:06 <Ampera> imma fuckin pop you one, electrohead
08:25 * electrohead chases Ampera with clippers
08:46 * Ampera chases electrohead with a glock
08:56 <Ampera> Smile into the camera!
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09:48 <Ampera> I ain't gonna stop growing my hair until I can sit on it
10:25 <electrohead> damn
10:29 <electrohead> how long is it currently?
10:32 <electrohead> (that's what she said)
10:45 * electrohead chases Ampera with a sig sauer
11:01 * Ampera returns fire with a 1911
11:12 <Ampera> I can easily reach it behind my back with my arm
11:15 <Ampera> below my chest I'd say
11:23 <electrohead> heh
11:27 <Ysjoelfir> mine is roughly.... under my shoulder bones/middle of the back I think
11:30 <electrohead> yeah I had long hair *once*
11:34 <Ampera> nice, Ysjoelfir
11:36 <electrohead> never again
11:43 <Ampera> I don't really like having short hair
11:56 <electrohead> my hair is thin and just shitty looking, plus I'm losing it
12:03 <electrohead> so, I shave that shit
12:06 <Ampera> It confuses people into thinking that I'm straight and normal.
12:24 <Ampera> electrohead, you need to get that flat top
12:31 <rust_collector> heh
12:33 <electrohead> nah lol
12:36 <rust_collector> oh yes
12:46 <Ampera> hello rust_collector how is you doing
12:56 <rust_collector> eh, not bad. not bad
13:01 <Ampera> oh
13:03 <rust_collector> making dinner for the klan
13:05 <Ampera> well give it another five minutes I guess
13:11 <Ampera> nice, what are you making
13:26 <rust_collector> jsut fried cubes of chicken and rice
13:34 <Ampera> sweet I'll be over
13:44 <rust_collector> ok, I will get a towel ready
13:50 <Ampera> lol
14:04 <Ampera> I am going out to lunch with a coworker in about 45 minutes or so
14:09 <Ampera> to a burger joint
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18:18 <rust_collector> great, I will be coworker
18:24 <rust_collector> no, wait
18:30 <rust_collector> meh
18:42 <Ampera> cool, so you're paying instead?
18:42 <Ampera> nice
21:50 <electrohead> lol
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30:28 * electrohead beers arch with beer
31:59 * Ampera stabs electrohead with the pang of realization
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34:45 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, what was the reason for limiting the chunk distance to 16?
35:46 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, it's actually higher than the 10 it was originally (I think it was 10)
36:04 <Ampera> and because flying max speed with max render distance (32) caused half the cores in my server to max out
36:10 <Ampera> soooooo
36:30 <Ampera> maybe my new server will do this better
36:36 <Ysjoelfir> oh. ok, I will not fly that quick anymore than.
36:41 <Ampera> nah it's fine
36:44 <Ampera> you won't hurt anything
36:47 <Ysjoelfir> I can't see enough! xD
36:58 <Ampera> but it's the same or better than it was before >.>
37:12 <Ampera> when my new server comes I'm gonna try a few things and then turn it up
37:20 <Ysjoelfir> I think I forced mr. head to turn it to 16, didn't I? xD
37:26 <Ysjoelfir> (at least)
37:33 <Ampera> maybe, idk
37:45 <Ampera> one problem is with the forge mods, we have to use the normal minecraft server
37:51 <Ampera> which iirc is nowhere near as optimized as paper spigot
37:52 <rust_collector> set it to 19, just for because
38:14 <Ampera> so it might be a case of, either having forge mods on the server, or having a faster server
38:26 <Ampera> unless something major has changed, we can still have plugins, like worldedit
38:32 <Ampera> but it's up to you guys
38:47 <Ampera> might be a pain to move the world back to vanilla because we have extra biomes
40:44 <Ysjoelfir> I always wanted to try spigot or bucket. but it was the fastest to just copy my mc install to mr heads server, so we did that
40:58 <Ampera> I've been running minecraft servers for about 10 years
41:00 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: yeah I changed it :p
41:18 <Ampera> I've done big server setups and stuff. multiplayer forge has always been the weird option
41:18 <Ysjoelfir> I think biomes 'o plenty is available for bukkit or spigot, or it was once
41:32 <Ampera> forge bukkit was really cool back in the 1.2 days, but then it stopped being updated
41:41 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, it's not
41:46 <Ampera> server side mods can't introduce new blocks
41:51 <Ampera> *plugins
41:54 <Ysjoelfir> no?
42:01 <Ampera> forge mods can, but you also need them client side, and can't use spigot/bukkit
42:19 <electrohead> we should totally install new mods, like computer craft and I2C
43:21 <rust_collector> is there something in that game thing you can use as a bicycle?
43:36 <electrohead> I'm sure there's a mod, heh
57:53 <Kuschelpony> aaaaah, nice to read something about audio distortion thats clearly not audiophool https://www.passdiy.com/project/articles/audio-distortion-and-feedback
57:54 <EEVBot> [url] PassDiy | www.passdiy.com
04:25 * LordGeir Wonders if he should veg out on the couch for an hour, or do something "productive" instead...
04:40 <LordGeir> Veg it is :P
04:46 <Ysjoelfir> do it the rust_collector way
05:05 <rust_collector> OI!
05:43 <rust_collector> yes, go outside, and watch fail videos on youtube, and cick the tool box now and then
06:35 <rust_collector> cick. heh
06:53 <LordGeir> I've been outside working for most of the day, in the blistering heat (for Norway)
07:03 <LordGeir> But fail vids are fun!
07:22 <rust_collector> oh yeah? it is nice over here. 18c, and slightly cloudy
07:47 <rust_collector> no sign of sun, so 18 is tolerable
08:08 <LordGeir> I just watched one of Daves vids about a scope and he accidentally put a cap in backwards, heh
08:16 <LordGeir> Magic smoke caught on camera
08:35 <rust_collector> did he make squeaky noises?
08:49 <LordGeir> It's 20.1C here now, so it's cooled off quite a bit since 28+, earlier
08:59 <LordGeir> Hehe, yeah he sure did
09:53 <rust_collector> eh, today? where is this? I am close to Horten, but otoh, I also did not wake up until 2 or something
10:18 <rust_collector> I do not think it has been that warm here this week
10:29 <LordGeir> Then you're very close to me, as I'm just north of Holmestrand
10:35 <rust_collector> heh
10:35 <Ysjoelfir> it was suprisingly warm earlyer this day, but it cooled off around 1400, at least a bit more south
11:29 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir that guy is 13 minutes from me. that is special
11:36 <Ysjoelfir> so you are basically neighbors
11:41 <rust_collector> pretty much
11:43 <LordGeir> A couple of days last week, I measured 30.8 on my weather station here
11:43 <Ysjoelfir> yep, I checked it out on the map as well
12:22 <Ysjoelfir> so, lets say, he basically lives in your attic
12:50 <rust_collector> uhm, the temp seems to be about right... so that is possible
12:53 <LordGeir> Lol, no.. In the basement. (I'm the ogre in the dungeon)
14:11 <rust_collector> as kid #1 used to say.... nissefjomp
14:35 <LordGeir> That's a "word" I haven't heard in forever
14:40 <Ysjoelfir> huh? :D
14:41 <rust_collector> that was his bad word
15:08 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir nisse and fjomp
15:36 <rust_collector> I think fjompenisse is more common, but...
15:50 <rust_collector> ok, have fun.
16:09 <Ysjoelfir> aah. thats where the elf is coming from :P
17:22 <rust1> the safety elf
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29:42 <rust1> there is that guy
30:03 <rust1> i think he is over on the west side somewhere
32:11 <LordGeir> How come there are so many Norwegians here?
32:49 <rust1> I think it is just 3 of us, but... i guess we are just bored a lot?
33:38 <rust1> oh well, good thing we are not from iceland
33:39 <LordGeir> Not a lot to do in Norway, heh
34:07 <rust1> nah, we will just hire someone to do things
34:13 <LordGeir> True! It's got gorgeous landscapes, but that's about that for positive
34:26 <rust1> plenty of space
35:03 <rust1> more than 100 trees
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40:29 <DHess_US> Kuschelpony, I think the distortion article is missing the point. Real world feedback designs have much less distortion with less feedback than the article assumes.
41:02 <DHess_US> Careful attention is paid to reduce distortion at every point, and especially in the output stage.
41:13 <Kuschelpony> im sure they are overemphasizing this
41:24 <DHess_US> He is right about intermodulation though.
41:37 <Kuschelpony> and you are right, first have local the minimum distortion, then global feedback to improve it more
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42:19 <Nothing\> hehe i've got me some bean sprouts
42:24 <DHess_US> It isn't always explicit, but intermediate stages have their own local feedback.
42:31 <Nothing\> like, planted sprouts i mean
42:35 <Kuschelpony> also he did not explain the specifics why an AB output stage can be very well linear
42:49 <Kuschelpony> yes, I know
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43:20 <Kuschelpony> just meant, that article is a good summary for people who know much less than we
43:25 <DHess_US> The best book I have read on the subject is Audio Power Amplifier Design Handbook by Douglas Self
44:04 <DHess_US> I especially like the comparisons and measurements he makes on different output stages, but he does the same for every stage.
44:39 <DHess_US> His "blameless" power amplifier is better than 0.01% without anything exotic.
46:57 <Ysjoelfir> So, rust1 and LordGeir, when are you meeting up?
48:21 <rust1> meh, we are antisocial. we can meet when you get to grelland, so we have an "event" going, as an excuse
50:59 <Ysjoelfir> XD
51:06 <Ysjoelfir> I am antisocial as well, despite being german
51:18 <rust1> yes, sure
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51:50 <Ysjoelfir> what? :D
52:06 <rust1> they have isbilen (isaccessallowed) up there... just... thought I would mention that
52:12 <Ysjoelfir> the meeting idea originated from that abusive ex bi.....nice woman
52:32 <rust1> oh, sorry
52:44 <Ysjoelfir> but I agreed with her on that
52:53 <Ysjoelfir> as I thought it is a good idea
53:13 <rust1> well, at least we made you eat wallpaper glue. That was nice
54:14 <Ysjoelfir> it was a request!
54:18 <Ysjoelfir> and it was pretty nice
57:30 <rust1> I wonder why isaccessallowed is in the list of words
58:27 <Ysjoelfir> I wondered that as well
58:46 <Nothing\> heh so i just threw some kidney beans in my garden and the darn things sprouted like crazy
59:05 <Nothing\> i didn't even bury them
59:15 <Nothing\> the ones i did bury just pushed themselves out of the soil
59:39 <Nothing\> it's interesting to watch how different plants grow AND WHY THE HELL IS MY VISION FLANGING AGAIN
59:45 <Nothing\> man this is annoying
00:04 <Nothing\> it's like my eyes have been replaced with a low refresh rate CRT monitor
00:40 <Nothing\> heh but the kidney beans, apparently there's something about the beans that's poisonous until they're either treated or peeled or something. I forget.
01:03 <rust1> eat a few, and you will remember
01:04 <Nothing\> they can't be treated that much if they're still sproutable (actual technical term) from the store
01:08 <Nothing\> lol
01:25 <Nothing\> i wanna throw some other beans out and see what i can get to grow
02:08 <Nothing\> not enough growing space though. My mum took it all up with her plants and the morning glories we planted when we moved in take over the entire back yard garden in the late summer and fall
03:06 <Nothing\> it's crazy how big they get. They'll envelope the entire fence and all of the plants and everything. It makes me wonder if they're a weed or invasive species or something with how aggressively they seem to grow. And very hardily too. They survive just about anything.
03:29 <Nothing\> speaking of, i think all these storms we've been having have overwatered my poor baby pot plants lol
03:39 <Nothing\> my one's turned this sickly green color
04:13 <Nothing\> lol seriously though the color is not right. The leaves are getting shredded apart by some unseen force, and they're all started to wilt at the edges :/
04:22 <rust1> go to your local bar, and steal some tiny umbrellas for them?
04:24 <Nothing\> and the seedlings/sprouts i have are barely hanging on
04:33 <Nothing\> lol i was going to put an umbrella over the big one
04:48 <Nothing\> they're calling for more storms at least 3 days this week
05:20 <Nothing\> gonna build a trellis for my beans too. I get the feeling i'll need it
06:20 <Nothing\> man i actually feel like a hippy with my hair this long
06:36 <Nothing\> it's turning into this weird cross between a beatles haircut and a mullet
06:56 <Nothing\> i shave all of my hair the same length so it grows in all at the same length
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21:43 <Nothing\> i just realized that i learned about south-east asian geography as a child from the places my toys were made
21:48 <Nothing\> i'm not even kidding
21:57 <rust1> macau
22:07 <Nothing\> Hong Kong and Taiwan were the big ones here
22:09 <rust1> best matchbox factory
22:10 <Nothing\> for toys anyways
22:15 <Nothing\> Vietnam for shoes and clothes
22:28 <Nothing\> then China started taking over in the late 90's
23:04 <Nothing\> but I remember in the early 90's Hong Kong was the equivalent of China. You got all of your bootleg, counterfeit and cheaply made goods from HK
23:09 <Nothing\> even video games
23:32 <Nothing\> you used to see these "60 in 1" cartridges for the NES that came out of HK
23:41 <Nothing\> some of them legit had a few dozen games on them
24:39 <Nothing\> others would be like 500 in 1 and in reality it'd be like, Mario Bros, Ice Climber, Arkanoid, and basically any other games they could get that were as small as possible. Cram them into a ROM chip, and then for the other 500 games, you just swap out the color pallet, or start off on a different level
24:50 <Nothing\> usually you just started on another level
25:00 <Nothing\> and these things would sell for like $200
25:22 <Nothing\> it's funny too because nintendo actually had copy protection even back then for the NES
26:17 <Nothing\> that lock-out chip is actually why a lot of nintendos don't work right and you get a blue or grey screen when you try to start it up. Some issue with it causes the chip to still lock you out when you use a legit game
26:43 <Nothing\> so even back then, big game manufacturers were screwing over their customers
30:29 <Nothing\> lol this video makes a good point about how violent a process "vaporizing" somebody with a ray gun would actually be
30:53 <Nothing\> as in, literally turning them into a cloud of steam and carbon and other gasses
36:07 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
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36:10 <Ampera> how are do
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00:26 <MrMobodies> Hello
00:30 <MrMobodies> need some advive
00:34 <MrMobodies> *advice
00:44 <MrMobodies> I had this before
00:53 <MrMobodies> lad down the local pubhouse wants me to show him
01:03 <MrMobodies> how to setup a VPN to china
01:14 <MrMobodies> and to setup the darkweb, obviously that Orion browser
01:22 <MrMobodies> he don't want to be tracked
01:34 <MrMobodies> I said to him, look you're not buying privacy
01:38 <MrMobodies> you are buying time
02:16 <MrMobodies> if you read the terms and conditions on these VPN providers they mention that they will release information to law enforcement
02:52 <MrMobodies> and you tracked by your operating system, other browsers and stuff that is now going to appear at the same time locally and in China
02:59 <MrMobodies> am I right to think this?
03:18 <MrMobodies> I don't mind showing him to do stuff but I don't think he is up to any good
03:29 <Ampera> >wants a VPN to china
03:32 <Ampera> >also wants privacy
03:35 <Ampera> like
03:37 <Ampera> whaty
03:39 <Ampera> *-y
03:42 <MrMobodies> he wanted to pay me for it I said no that owuld look bad if anything happens to you
03:51 <Ampera> ignore him and move on
03:54 <Ampera> he a nutter
04:26 <MrMobodies> he says it's another world where he could make money, I said it is a load of troubke
04:26 <Ampera> he can buy human meat without your help.
04:44 <MrMobodies> if you sell things and don't pay tax, the tax man will raid your house.
05:02 <Ampera> that's probably the least of his concern
05:15 <MrMobodies> and I won't be able to sleep at night knowing I caused you and your family trouble by showing you how to do stuff
05:33 <Ampera> don't worry
05:40 <Ampera> stupid like that is gonna find trouble without you having to help
05:46 <Ampera> just let him injure himself in peace :P
06:37 <MrMobodies> the last time I shown that darkweb was persuade someone now to pay the £600 ransom for the key to descrypt their files.
06:46 <MrMobodies> he looked so desperate
07:03 <MrMobodies> he is nice lad so it's said to see him resort to these things
07:16 <MrMobodies> he had a drugs problem many years ago
07:31 <MrMobodies> I like that, let him injure himself in peace
08:22 <MrMobodies> When his mum is on her own there, I'll talk to her to see if she can distract him away from all that misery.
09:13 <MrMobodies> thanks for that useful advice
09:20 <MrMobodies> there is a reason he also has a little old phone
09:23 <Ampera> How are you doing MrMobodies
09:30 <MrMobodies> okay
09:39 <MrMobodies> I just finished work off last night
09:43 <MrMobodies> and overslept to 7pm today
09:52 <MrMobodies> a lot cleaning up to do
10:13 <MrMobodies> I ordered a graphics card from ebay, told them to remember the anti static bag
10:18 <MrMobodies> and it came in a bubblewrap
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10:33 <Ampera> lol
10:42 <MrMobodies> apparently the seller has this "packaging team" who agreed they shouldn't have done that.
10:45 <Ampera> some new PC parts actuall just came in today
11:01 <MrMobodies> ohh
11:10 <Ampera> new motherboard, new RAM, new SSDs, new cooler
11:11 <MrMobodies> motherboard and processor?
11:17 <Ampera> just waiting for the CPU, which is coming sunday
11:20 <MrMobodies> many times more efficient
11:26 <Ampera> hopefully
11:41 <MrMobodies> when the solar panels come I could start being less efficient
11:56 <MrMobodies> like turn some things back on and watch television on my larger screen
12:13 <MrMobodies> I don't have many things on since last christmas due to the rise
12:50 <MrMobodies> £150 turned into £250 and it up to nearly £400 a month
12:59 <MrMobodies> so had to reallt reduce my consumption
13:17 <MrMobodies> but I have brought some remote sockets
13:25 <MrMobodies> and some infrared ones
13:44 <MrMobodies> with I control from an ancient LCD programmable Philips pronto remote
14:07 <MrMobodies> so that makes it a bit more convenient
14:19 <MrMobodies> The sockets only take less than half a watt an hour
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16:10 <MrMobodies> there had been vicious fighting between the job for the new prime minister
16:31 <MrMobodies> after many days of infighting
16:37 <MrMobodies> looks like the host collapsed
16:38 <MrMobodies> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nhs-kate-mccann-rishi-sunak-ealing-studios-talktv-b2131817.html
16:38 <EEVBot> [url] TV clash between Sunak and Truss halted after host fainted on air | The Independent | www.independent.co.uk
16:41 <MrMobodies> I am not surprised
17:35 <rust1> is it between those 2 now? or is ther any more?
17:43 <MrMobodies> amazing how they got the stomach to argue so vicious that would make a normally person faint.
18:13 <MrMobodies> “Kate McCann fainted on air tonight, and although she is fine, the medical advice was that we shouldn’t continue with the debate.
18:31 <MrMobodies> That is something I'd find on a comedy sketch over a decade ago no reality
18:40 <MrMobodies> *now reality
19:19 <MrMobodies> it's only those two
19:28 <rust1> oh crap
19:51 <MrMobodies> I think Rishi (Washy hair) has been fined for the partygate
19:57 <MrMobodies> leaving one contestant
20:03 <rust1> yeah, but... meh
20:21 <MrMobodies> I don't like any of them but that leaves one logical contestant
20:25 <rust1> I get a very bad feeling about truss
21:05 <MrMobodies> I don't know what demon is going to do what
21:21 <MrMobodies> to which demon gets enough votes
22:35 <MrMobodies> I know she wasted some fuel travelling on large planes on private charter with only few staff
22:43 <MrMobodies> which was defending
22:47 <MrMobodies> *defended
23:09 <MrMobodies> but I was reading that they want to be like Margaret Thatcher
23:20 <MrMobodies> when there is a crises going on
23:46 <MrMobodies> I think they should be themselves
24:14 <MrMobodies> Margeret Thatcher known for the poll tax which wasn't a good thing that led to her downfall
24:37 <MrMobodies> I find it strange why they want to be known for that
25:08 <MrMobodies> I heard there plans to get Boris back i
25:57 <MrMobodies> Joke: Maybe he should come back and sack the lot of them for it implode into a general election.
33:35 * T3sl4 makes Halcyon a sandwich https://i.imgur.com/GNNdNOe.png
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43:16 <rust_collector> MrMobodies I think they are just after "power" they do not care what people will think about them
44:34 <rust_collector> if they could, they would probably try to start a war with argentina again. that would keep the papers busy for a while,
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47:51 <Halcyon> Mmmm arm sammich
47:55 * Halcyon hugs electrohead 
01:57 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
18:10 <rust_collector> wheee! I just bought a thing on ebay. party party
22:00 * Halcyon licks Ampera
22:03 <Halcyon> How are you friend?
22:10 <Halcyon> What thing rust_collector ?
22:23 <rust_collector> 1.5" T-pins
22:33 <rust_collector> isn't that exciting?
22:48 <Halcyon> Are they shiny?
22:51 <Ampera> Halcyon, good
22:53 <Ampera> reading about clams
23:03 <Ampera> think I might get some to eat raw one of these days
23:10 <rust_collector> in the pic, yes. not sure, by the time they get here
23:35 <Halcyon> BRB my toast is done
24:52 * Halcyon noms
25:00 * electrohead hugs Halcyon and Ampera
25:05 <Halcyon> Weeeee \o/
25:17 <rust_collector> blub blub blub blub
25:21 <Ampera> I think I want to start eating more clams in general
25:23 <Ampera> seafood even
25:36 <Halcyon> I don't mind seafood, but I tend to stick with fishes
25:37 <Ampera> they're cheaper than I thought, I can get a bag for only 10 bucks
25:41 <Halcyon> Salmon, tuna etc...
25:48 <Ampera> I'm not sure there's a seafood I haven't at least tolerated
25:52 * electrohead tuna's Halcyon's salmon
25:54 <Ampera> I love shellfish
26:03 <Ampera> I really want to find fresh mussels
26:04 * Halcyon await's T3sl4's pun
26:36 * T3sl4 punishes Halcyon
26:37 <Halcyon> electrohead, have you had a chance to try the Ringstinger yet?
30:32 <electrohead> ringstinger?
30:36 <electrohead> you sent me 6, yes?
30:39 <electrohead> cause I don't see that?
30:41 <T3sl4> electro stinger?
30:43 <Halcyon> The jerky, look inside the box
30:49 <electrohead> oh oh
31:55 <electrohead> aha
32:00 <electrohead> clever fucker :P
32:02 <electrohead> not yet
32:05 <Ampera> did he send you roo jerky?
32:11 <electrohead> yeah man <3
32:13 <Halcyon> Two new ones Ampera
32:50 <Halcyon> But I mostly sent him beer
33:20 <Ampera> ew
33:23 <Ampera> and also illegal
33:34 <Halcyon> What's illegal?
34:10 <Ampera> sending alcoholic beverages through US mail
34:30 <Halcyon> *shrug*
34:35 <Halcyon> What they gonna do? :P
35:00 <Ampera> Send you to an island in the middle of nowhere to serve as your prison
35:08 <Halcyon> Weeeeee
35:20 <rust_collector> a bit late for that?
35:35 <Ampera> rust_collector, no just efficiency
35:40 <Halcyon> Are you sure it's actually unlawful? I thought it was more USPS just being precious
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35:44 <Ampera> It's unlawful.
35:48 <Halcyon> Because.... ?
35:57 <Ampera> and the US gets quite up in arms about abusing mail services too
36:14 <Halcyon> But it's fine if you send it by some other guy wearing a different uniform?
36:19 <rust_collector> I am not sure it is, as long as it comes from a different postal system
36:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, if it's UPS it's not US Mail
36:37 <rust_collector> they have many weird rules for that kind of thing
36:41 <Ampera> they do
36:45 <Halcyon> Yes but what's the difference?
36:48 <Ampera> idk if it's a felony, most mail things are
36:53 <Ampera> because US Mail is a federal institution
36:53 <Halcyon> Apart from being two different entities
36:56 <Halcyon> So?
37:01 <Ampera> with federal laws specifically applying to federal mail
37:03 <Halcyon> It's still parcels from point A to point B
37:04 <Ampera> UPS is a private company
37:43 <Ampera> USPS probably could allow alcoholic beverages, but they choose not to, and disobeying those rules in either case might be equivalently as illegal.
37:48 <Ampera> UPS just doesn't have to follow USPS's rules
37:51 <Halcyon> I can understand if it were commercial quantities etc... but a 6-pack for private consumption, who the fuck cares?
38:03 <Ampera> still illegal
38:06 <Halcyon> *shrug*
38:07 <rust_collector> the mail here is a private company, owned by the government, lol
38:07 <Ampera> you are an international criminal now
38:09 <Ampera> I hope you're happy :D
38:13 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
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39:15 <Halcyon> Just like the DMCA, your laws don't apply here :P
39:34 <Halcyon> The worst they can do is refuse to deliver it
39:49 <Ampera> Australia is an American company
39:53 <Ampera> therefore the US owns Australia
39:57 <Halcyon> Oh yeh, forgot :P
41:03 * Halcyon pokes electrohead you fallen asleep on the couch again?
43:08 <electrohead> nah, I'm playing some GTA
43:12 <electrohead> was just out for a smoke
43:17 <electrohead> dude, these beers are good
43:18 <Halcyon> Ampera, I bought 500 ml bottles of hand sanitiser for 99 cents each
43:19 <electrohead> <3
43:24 <Halcyon> Did you finish them already?
43:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, we have warehouses full of hand sanitizer we used the state slave labor force to create
43:37 <Ampera> and the state has no idea what to do with it
43:54 <Halcyon> Give it to India?
44:05 <Ampera> afaik they're dumping it
44:24 <rust_collector> hand sanitizer is free over here. it is great for cleaning sticker glue off things
44:27 <Halcyon> In the Ganges?
44:39 <Ampera> Halcyon, probably the Hudson, but same thing.
44:44 <Halcyon> rust_collector, I use orange oil spray
44:55 <Halcyon> Problem is it does tend to strip paint and ink too
45:01 <electrohead> Halcyon: only three. these are tasty <3
45:03 <rust_collector> ok, do you get that for free?
45:12 <Halcyon> No
45:16 <Ampera> Halcyon, use eucalyptus oil you slut
45:17 <Halcyon> But it smells good :)
45:22 * electrohead huggles Halcyon, Ampera, rust_collector, T3sl4, and jaymax
45:31 <rust_collector> ok, I will use the ethanol mix we get then
45:32 <electrohead> oh, and arch as well
45:35 <Ampera> poor K, getting no love
45:41 * Ampera hands K a commiseration potato
45:42 <Halcyon> electrohead, how does the alcohol content compared to your usual swill? Is it about the same?
45:50 <electrohead> K as well :p
45:52 * T3sl4 beerggles electrohead
47:01 * arch squeezes electrohead's buttocks: https://c.tenor.com/Skjj5YgqkdIAAAAM/dog-pinch.gif
47:20 <Halcyon> Haahaha you loon electrohead
47:29 <electrohead> xD
47:49 <Halcyon> That's a scary face
48:00 <gremlinz> bishes
48:12 <Halcyon> Morning gremlinz
48:37 <gremlinz> g;day g;day
49:09 <electrohead> Halcyon: you love it <3
49:15 * electrohead hugs the gremlinz as well
49:29 <Halcyon> gremlinz: electrohead is getting drunk off Aussie beers
49:36 <electrohead> \o/
49:38 <Halcyon> It's gone to his head
53:39 <electrohead> Halcyon: see newest picture.
55:45 <gremlinz> nice
56:06 <gremlinz> he can get a bit loose
56:16 <electrohead> that's what he said.
00:04 <Halcyon> Hahaha you're a boob
01:53 <electrohead> !giphy no you're a towel
01:53 <EEVBot> electrohead: https://media2.giphy.com/media/ysMx3dTbUtp95u6aJ2/giphy.gif?cid=28c3c3c8b7ecec597bf6a107e7fd6f8753d31f4dda028df4&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
02:10 <electrohead> uhh, ok
02:15 <electrohead> I already have your number :p
02:18 <rust_collector> good job!
02:20 <electrohead> !giphy no you're a towel
02:21 <EEVBot> electrohead: https://media0.giphy.com/media/iDKTghu3ZTnbCgTYTj/giphy.gif?cid=28c3c3c80fcf19a6c998b96434bb579daab3cd86989472d9&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
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23:37 <Halcyon> I've had too much coffee this morning. I feel buzzed
24:32 <electrohead> Yeah I feel buzzed too :p
24:46 <Halcyon> https://c.tenor.com/RYpvDbbROe4AAAAd/apu-simpsons.gif
25:20 <electrohead> bewbs. https://cdn.animalencyclopedia.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Blue-footed-Booby-Birds-1-1024x785.jpg
25:33 <Halcyon> Hahaha awww
25:43 <electrohead> <3
26:08 <Halcyon> Tits https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-885x432/public/news/news/greattitandbluetitonabranchcnatabaadobestockimagescrop.jpg?itok=S-1f0LkT
33:11 <electrohead> I hate when my tits are different colors
33:18 <Halcyon> And sizes
33:23 <electrohead> lol
33:25 <electrohead> :p
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24:47 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
26:17 * jaymax drops his largest of three tids onto Halcyon 
27:21 <Halcyon> Hah
28:04 <electrohead> lol
28:19 <electrohead> Halcyon: yo I'm fuckered up off of four beers
28:31 <Halcyon> Hahaha
28:38 <electrohead> I have no plans tomorrow, so ... I may drink the other two tonight
28:43 <Halcyon> Have you eaten?
28:46 <electrohead> it's a special night, because of said beer
28:56 <electrohead> yeah, and I have left overs in the fridge
29:16 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/4e01bac6-7114-47df-8c8c-b48973a92eaf/mOtb7ZhgTjmluf7rFpXmkQ.jpg
29:37 <jaymax> Canning night occurred
29:54 <electrohead> oooo
29:58 <electrohead> yummy
30:15 <electrohead> hrmm
30:22 <Halcyon> What are they?
30:22 <electrohead> jaymax: ever make pickled garlic?
30:39 <steve30> i was pondering going out, but its raining
30:40 <electrohead> Halcyon: green beans and garlic, plus whatever else he inserted
30:46 <electrohead> (that's what she said)
30:55 * electrohead rains upon steve30
30:55 <Halcyon> Hah
31:02 <Halcyon> Interesting, never had pickled beans
31:29 <electrohead> yeah I was curious, and searched it; pickled garlic is totally a thing
31:37 <electrohead> and, a thing I want to try, now
31:40 <electrohead> <3
31:55 <electrohead> pickled things I love, and garlic is just <3
33:45 <jaymax> https://thehouseandhomestead.com/spicy-garlic-dill-pickled-beans-recipe/
33:46 <EEVBot> [url] Spicy Garlic & Dill Pickled Beans Recipe - The House & Homestead | thehouseandhomestead.com
34:05 <jaymax> Now that's a responsive butt!
34:22 <jaymax> /nick EEVButt
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38:34 <jaymax> Pickled garlic seems like a good idea.
39:49 <jaymax> Will probably be adding Egyptian walking onion in it though - I don't end up with as much garlic as I hope to.
42:45 <electrohead> oooo
42:53 <electrohead> this is why I love IRC
42:55 <electrohead> <3
42:58 <electrohead> foods.
43:26 * jaymax is coming to you with XMPP, you insensitive clod!
43:43 <jaymax> ;^)
44:37 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/97428d6e-ab0c-483a-b7f1-8eba5a55831f/e03_X1BhRK-QCImQsbD91g.jpg
45:14 <jaymax> Coldroom isn't all that cold, but getting good use regardless.
45:32 <electrohead> is that the basement you live in?
45:34 <electrohead> xD
45:44 * electrohead would love to have a basement ..
45:49 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/52246205933/in/dateposted-public/
45:50 <EEVBot> [url] Bit the Dust at Gay Pride? | No worries, Co-Op Funeral Care … | Flickr | www.flickr.com
46:18 <jaymax> Its the basement I have, but I live in the house - not the basement
47:00 <steve30> Here's a photo from Worksop pride the other week. I wonder if Co-Op funeralcare did much trade that day
49:01 <electrohead> yeah that was the joke, unfortunately
49:10 <electrohead> I'd fucking love to have a basement
49:12 <electrohead> guh
49:36 <electrohead> steve30: sadly I can't view that, flickr, facebook, and friends, are blocked on my network
49:42 <electrohead> (and for good reasons)
50:08 <steve30> I understand facebook, but why flickr?
51:48 <steve30> anyway, its a photo of a funeral director having a stall at a gay pride event
52:04 <steve30> complete with rainbow flags
52:45 <Halcyon> Funerals should be colourful, in my opinon
52:48 <Halcyon> opinion
52:51 <Halcyon> Why make them bleak?
54:01 <steve30> We'll make sure your cremation has multicolour smoke then :)
54:57 <Halcyon> Yaaaassss
55:30 <electrohead> lol
55:53 <electrohead> steve30: there's a list of "popular common websites" I have in a list, that I block be default
56:09 <electrohead> and I mean, the ASN's of said companies
56:17 <electrohead> by**
56:35 <steve30> I used to have facebook blocked, but don't any more for some reason
58:30 <electrohead> Halcyon: I just cracked open the colonial IPA
58:45 <electrohead> this tastes .. uhh
58:47 <electrohead> interesting
02:46 <jaymax> Tastes.... overhopped?
06:20 <steve30> Halcyon, subject to the trains not being on strike, I'm going to Nottingham pride on Saturday. Dating-Site-Guy lives there so I'm meeting him :p
07:05 <gremlinz> don't become a statistic steve30
08:23 <steve30> ooh, what kind of statistic?
19:56 <electrohead> that bad one
19:58 <electrohead> heh
23:04 <Halcyon> Ooooh
23:17 <Halcyon> electrohead: Interesting?
23:30 * Halcyon hugs Steve
23:32 <electrohead> jaymax, Halcyon: not overhopped. just, a different taste to an IPA
23:34 <Halcyon> Use protection :P
24:12 <jaymax> Also try not to be cannibalized
24:28 <Halcyon> That one is made in Western Australia, so maybe they are a little weird over there?
25:28 <jaymax> Brewed in a kangaroo pouch?
26:12 <electrohead> hrmm
26:18 <electrohead> yeah that could do it
26:36 <electrohead> oh wait, I ate the garlic roo jerkey earlier, that's what I taste
26:40 <electrohead> lol
27:25 * jaymax beer bongs electrohead with an Aussie snake for a funnel.
28:22 <jaymax> "Its a living" - Aussie snake
29:55 <Halcyon> Hahahaha you goof electrohead
30:27 <jaymax> https://youtu.be/7M-5qU9BcCc
30:27 <EEVBot> [url] The Flintstones References in Drawn Together - YouTube | youtu.be
30:49 <Halcyon> https://www.colonialbrewingco.com.au/products/sw-sour-watermelon-raspberry
30:49 <EEVBot> [url] South West Sour Watermelon Raspberry – colonial-brewing-co | www.colonialbrewingco.com.au
30:56 <Halcyon> That one looks interesting
36:21 <electrohead> ah
36:25 <electrohead> err
36:29 <electrohead> woah *
36:33 <Halcyon> You alright there?
36:41 <electrohead> yo my fingers are going everywhere
36:45 <electrohead> nein!
36:55 <Halcyon> You sure those beers aren't stronger than normal?
37:00 * electrohead circles around Halcyon
37:10 <Halcyon> Bahahaha, you're smashed aren't you?
37:17 <electrohead> not completely
37:19 <electrohead> :p
37:25 <Halcyon> Just a little bit?
42:48 * steve30 coffees
43:12 * Halcyon licks Steve
43:17 <Halcyon> Mmmmm coffeey
46:43 <jaymax> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/ecedcb44-8cb7-40f3-a0a2-a2ccfc1c0133/DVvMhPJeRyK48_lhSisMHw.mp4
47:06 <Halcyon> Awww poor moo cow
47:09 <steve30> lol
02:40 <electrohead> lol
02:43 <electrohead> ahahaha
22:47 <electrohead> https://inversepath.com/usbarmory
22:48 <EEVBot> [url] Inverse Path - USB armory Mk II | inversepath.com
22:54 <electrohead> something told me to put this here
23:47 <Halcyon> Interesting
31:06 <electrohead> Halcyon: I have one of them
33:56 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/usb_armory_attach
34:03 <electrohead> via SSH
34:28 <Halcyon> What's that file? An image?
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40:42 <electrohead> just a simple script
41:59 <electrohead> bash script, rather
54:40 * electrohead ipa's all over T3sl4
55:16 <T3sl4> eww, piss would be better
55:52 * steve30 fires coffee beans at T3sl4 
56:37 * T3sl4 brews a coffee stout
58:56 <electrohead> alol
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51:48 <T3sl4> Halcyon i guess: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/w9ul5l/aint_screaming_now/
51:50 <EEVBot> [reddit] ain't screaming now: (https://v.redd.it/0s7znvptt8e91) to r/CrazyFuckingVideos | 5519 points (94.0%) | 443 comments | Posted by terrible_Khonie | Created at 2022-07-28 - 00:17:08UTC
00:09 <electrohead> T3sl4: lmfao
01:02 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QaVjJvMocc
01:02 <EEVBot> [url] Jollibee Chickenjoy with Palabok Sausage - YouTube | www.youtube.com
01:22 * T3sl4 chokes electrohead's chickenjoy
04:17 <Halcyon> Spideys
05:11 <T3sl4> orb weavers are cute
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20:05 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.redd.it/2kdfzf9wz7e91.jpg
20:08 <EEVBot> [reddit] Blursed_bath_accessory to r/blursedimages | 1970 points (99.0%) | 23 comments | Posted by screwcancerletsrace | Created at 2022-07-28 - 02:28:56UTC | https://redd.it/w9xhc9
20:32 <steve30> mmm
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49:56 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/w1qh45/cant_even_use_the_restroom/
49:57 <EEVBot> [reddit] cant even use the restroom (https://i.redd.it/ubmlw0l499c91.png) to r/mildlyinfuriating | 1708 points (97.0%) | 191 comments | Posted by Kegaroni | Created at 2022-07-18 - 04:34:15UTC
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59:13 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Zsjoelfir
59:23 * T3sl4 pours Zsjoelfir a breakfast
59:33 <Zsjoelfir> yes please, I need that right now
59:38 <Zsjoelfir> what did you pour me?
59:43 <Zsjoelfir> also, mornings
59:50 <T3sl4> don't worry about it, just driiink
59:59 * Zsjoelfir driiinks
00:03 * Zsjoelfir tipps over and dies
00:12 Nick: Zsjoelfir is now known as blarg_Im_ded
00:35 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbE8E1ez97M
00:36 <EEVBot> [url] He's Only Mostly Dead- Princess Bride - YouTube | www.youtube.com
00:59 <blarg_Im_ded> hehe :D
01:06 Nick: blarg_Im_ded is now known as Zsjoelfir
02:13 <T3sl4> ironically?, i've finished the bourbon, but i still have plenty of triple sec [cheap orange liqueur]. so if you don't mind a glass of orange juice but it's not juicy and instead rather sweet and alcoholic (30%), i can help with that
02:29 <Zsjoelfir> that would be gorgeous!
02:51 <Zsjoelfir> I actually like tripple sec
07:38 <Zsjoelfir> but for some reason I think it would not be too great at work
07:58 <T3sl4> steve30 irl https://www.reddit.com/r/MEOW_IRL/comments/w9gm0k/meow_irl/
07:58 <EEVBot> [reddit] meow_irl (https://i.redd.it/n3gjwka7i4e91.png) to r/MEOW_IRL | 9492 points (97.0%) | 27 comments | Posted by Economy_Temporary_90 | Created at 2022-07-27 - 14:44:32UTC
08:12 <steve30> :)
08:47 * Zsjoelfir handles steve30 with love
08:51 * Zsjoelfir hugs steve30
09:56 * T3sl4 puts on a pot and brews steve30 and Zsjoelfir some cuppa
10:57 <Zsjoelfir> https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Fmobile%2F000%2F005%2F365%2Ffuck-yeah-aww-yeah-l-1_copy.jpg
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49:26 <Halcyon> Hey Zsjoelfir
49:34 <Zsjoelfir> hey mr. herc
55:18 <Zsjoelfir> dang it.... my boss allowed me to choose a keyboard as I requested to get one with a british layout. now, I am so used to using mechanical (tactile or clicky) keyboards that I just can't use those spongy shitboards they tend to have in offices. the budget is 60€ max. some time ago Cherry offered the MX Board, that was the perfect mechanical office bkeyboard, but it seems like thats not available in germany anymore. hrmpf
55:33 <Zsjoelfir> I am in serious trouble here, it seems like there is nothing like that available o.o
57:28 <steve30> How about a Chinesium keyboard? They can be quite cheap. You might be limited to US layout though
01:09 <Zsjoelfir> Us layout is ok-ish, if its the hybrid one with the big return key so that the keys are in the right spot. at home I use a chinesium one, but its all but cheap xD its a Durgod Taurus K301, costs roughly 170€
01:31 <Zsjoelfir> problem is, I need a full size one. I can't work without the num block
01:40 <Zsjoelfir> chinese ones tend to be 60% boards
02:16 <steve30> I have a 40% keyboard which is good when i need it to be space saving, but is not good for regular use
04:56 <Zsjoelfir> I have a sample of my old employer right now. its a 60% one with a num block over the arrow keys. this is utter bullshit. what good is a num block without a return key, and a keyboard where you constantly have to press FN + backspace to switch this num block to have the functions of the.... function keys that are normally placed above the arrow keys?
05:10 <Zsjoelfir> switch wise its nice, having kalih..... dunno, clicky ones.
05:29 <Zsjoelfir> ok, they have blue plungers, so they are probably kalih blues
05:51 * steve30 pets his Model M
06:03 <Zsjoelfir> that would be ideal, but a bit hard to connect to my work notebook
06:09 <Zsjoelfir> also a bit expensive
06:23 * steve30 curls up on the Model M for a clicky massage :D
06:36 <Zsjoelfir> lol
06:41 <Zsjoelfir> *sproingy*
06:59 <Zsjoelfir> I wonder why it is that the most boards I see offer red or black switches.
07:25 <Zsjoelfir> I actually prefer brown ones, but blue is ok. but its always those linear ones that I see a lot of... I hate those, feels just wrong to me
08:30 <steve30> I quite like Red ones but it is easy to press them without knowing you've pressed them (due to lack of a click)
08:48 <Zsjoelfir> thats exactly why I hate those. I need that tactile feedback.
08:49 <steve30> This reminds me, I need to repair my Cherry blue keyboard
08:56 <Zsjoelfir> don't need the click itself though
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32:12 <MrMobodies> Hello
32:20 <MrMobodies> Do you find this review biased?
32:21 <Zsjoelfir> mornings
32:22 <MrMobodies> https://rigorousthemes.com/blog/acronis-vs-macrium-which-is-better
32:22 <EEVBot> [url] Acronis vs Macrium - Which Is Better? - Rigorous Themes | rigorousthemes.com
32:52 <MrMobodies> I was looking at to see if I can find more recent complaints about Acronis
33:33 <MrMobodies> and this review, maybe it's my perception, talking as if "Cloud" and "Office 365" is more important.
34:14 <MrMobodies> As a matter of fact Acronis cost me £35 I think in 2018
34:23 <MrMobodies> and it wouldn't do the things the salesman said it will do
34:39 <MrMobodies> and Macrium Reflect cost me about £60 including vat
35:25 <MrMobodies> it had a 90? day trial back then all unlocked whereas Acronis wouldn't allow me to even access a feature in the trial until I paid for it
36:03 <MrMobodies> and when I did pay for it requested me to make a usb bootable pen drive and whole lot other work when all I wanted to do was to extract images directly
36:17 <MrMobodies> and then I find an article that they stopped allowing that
36:28 <MrMobodies> I got my refund but I was happy being lied to
36:57 <MrMobodies> "It provides users with the ability to mount photos in Windows Explorer."
37:16 <MrMobodies> That sounds to me a bit irrevalent
37:26 <MrMobodies> they focus on that
37:42 <MrMobodies> I think it sounds like a poor quality biased review
38:57 <MrMobodies> good thing with Macrium commercial use "10 free" uses per site to do basic disc stuff, and a free (non commercial) version which I am going to use for the customer laptops
39:09 <MrMobodies> when they want to restore it from a pendrive
39:33 <MrMobodies> they seem to have bloated v8 a little but still has the features intact
39:42 <MrMobodies> and the touchpad now works
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52:02 <Nero_wrk> monin
58:29 <K> hello dumplings
03:20 <Nero_wrk> I wish my Pok3r keyboard could easily switch between laptops like my MXmaster can
03:36 <Nero_wrk> I also wish it wasn't like 220 dollars excl. import tax
08:35 <Zsjoelfir> mornings Nero_wrk and K
08:46 <Zsjoelfir> I just had the shortest meeting ever. like, minus 30 seconds
09:09 <K> what happened?
09:14 <K> fire alarm?
09:46 <Zsjoelfir> We had a meeting scheduled at 10 with a supplier to discuss the 33 pages issue paper I wrote about the prototypes we got
11:07 <Zsjoelfir> at 9:59 we got an email from them with the following content: "Hello Mr. Zsjoelfir and Zsjoelfirsboss, I just got reminded by my phone that there is a meeting. Unfortunately I have to tell you that there is holidays today and tomorrow because our King has his Birthday party. Let us reschedule for Monday."
11:30 <Zsjoelfir> the guy just accepted the meeting invitation yesterday.
11:47 <K> eh.
12:01 <Zsjoelfir> also, monday is holidays in Switzerland, and I am on vacation for 2 weeks. brilliant xD
12:02 <K> supplier is from where?
12:06 <Zsjoelfir> Thailand
12:10 <K> ah.
12:50 <K> the shaming will have to wait
13:16 <Zsjoelfir> seems like Mr. King has no clear day where he was born, if that is something that comes out of the sudden in under 12 hours
13:38 <Zsjoelfir> yep. I suggested to participate from vacation by phone on thursday
23:17 <Nero_wrk> hehe that is what I hate about summer holidays
24:30 <Nero_wrk> I kinda get the entire thing of the constrution sector where they all just agree to take a 3 week break at the same time
25:17 <Nero_wrk> I actually found out yesterday that my promotor is out for holiday for 4.5 weeks (he is now already gone for 2 weeks)
25:37 <Nero_wrk> becuase why would you inform your PhD students about such things right
25:51 * T3sl4 hugs Nero_wrk
26:06 <Zsjoelfir> yeah, thats fine, who needs to know, right?
26:53 <Nero_wrk> esp since we are moving office from the main research group to an incubation center on monday, and a bunch of stuff has to be ordered still, but now he is gone and we can't get his signature
27:05 <Nero_wrk> so we are just having to buy it out of our own pockets and hope we can get it reimbursed
27:19 <Zsjoelfir> thats just great
27:19 <Nero_wrk> small stuff, lilke power strips and ethernet cables and so on, but it is the principle you know
29:40 <Zsjoelfir> yep
29:47 <Zsjoelfir> I totally understand, its a PITA
31:21 <Nero_wrk> there were also issues with laptops and so on
31:35 <Nero_wrk> our research group is only now transitioning from giving everyone a desktop to giving people laptops instead
32:35 <Nero_wrk> and our promotor told IT 'these guys need laptops' right before he left
33:04 <Nero_wrk> but now this week IT was like 'yeah but do you need those laptops to be tied to the research group domain or not? And do you need dockingstations? Monitors? Keyboards?'
34:28 <Nero_wrk> I managed to convince IT to just give us the laptops for now and see about docking stations when they get back, since ew need to work, and I can just use a monitor from home with an HDMI cable for now
34:33 <Nero_wrk> but man it is so frustrating
38:46 <Zsjoelfir> and here I am, in my new company, where they are like "oh, is that notebook fast enough for your work? do you need anything else? just tell us before your vacation and we will order that. your budget for x, y and z is a, b and c€, please provide the buying department with 2 links for suppliers of the products each, we will ensure it is there when you return."
41:46 <Nero_wrk> for us we only need multiple suppliers if the order is over 8.5kEUR
42:00 <Nero_wrk> (which is why our PCB supplier is so kind to split up invoices into 8.4kEUR chunks)
42:42 <Nero_wrk> though the ordering department can be annoying about it since sometimes you cannot find identical products but they don't agree
43:19 <Nero_wrk> 'clearly you shouldn't buy this 1 GHz oscilloscope from tektronix for 50k, because this entry-level option from rigol with 1GHz bandwidth costs 1/15th of the price!'
44:04 <Zsjoelfir> lol
44:48 <Zsjoelfir> when the ordering people don't know what the thing they order actually is...
44:54 <Nero_wrk> indeed
45:36 <Zsjoelfir> meanwhile I am browsing for a nice trackball. I have this one ordered for at home, but thought I watch a little review about it. but man, this review is annoying me on so many levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akbzwFMJADU
45:37 <EEVBot> [url] Kensington Orbit Fusion Wireless Trackball - YouTube | www.youtube.com
11:42 <Nero_wrk> I never got to be able to use trackballs very well
12:01 <Nero_wrk> I wish there were more options for 'productivity' mice like the MX master and so on
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12:42 <Nero_wrk> it is a thing for keyboards, why not for mice
17:10 <Zsjoelfir> I used a 3dconnexion cad mouse for a while until the scrollwheel fucked up (actually I am using it right now again, because the mouse I got offered here was crap, so I brought my old one with me). That was a very nice one
22:32 <Nero_wrk> I use the MX master 2 that I got on a discount when the master 3 came out
22:57 <Nero_wrk> which turns out might not be as nice, I've heard people complain about the metal scroll wheel of the master 3 and it hurting your finger from using it all day
24:33 <Zsjoelfir> it does, I have both masters at home
24:43 <Zsjoelfir> I prefer the master 2, despite being totally nasty and worn down
25:12 <Zsjoelfir> I wonder, which calculators do you all use? I have a budget for one, so I might want to use that
26:40 <Nero_wrk> like actual physical calculator?
26:45 <Nero_wrk> some retro HP one
26:47 <Zsjoelfir> yes.
26:54 <Zsjoelfir> Ok, let me rephrase
26:57 <Nero_wrk> HP 35s I think
27:05 <Zsjoelfir> which one you could by from a store would you get? ;P
27:17 <Nero_wrk> no but this is a new calculator
27:31 <Nero_wrk> the 35s is a 'throwback' to the retro 80s and 90s HP RPN calculator
27:35 <Nero_wrk> but you can get it on amazon now
28:13 <Nero_wrk> I mostly use it simply because it supports RPN
28:22 <Nero_wrk> I don't know what calculators you can buy these days still do so
28:22 <Zsjoelfir> whats rpn
28:23 <Zsjoelfir> ?
29:00 <Nero_wrk> it is a different way to notate calculations
29:05 <Nero_wrk> revers polish notation
29:10 <Zsjoelfir> aaah
29:17 <Zsjoelfir> ok, the long term I would have known
29:32 <Nero_wrk> oh okay so I don't need to spend 15 minutes typing out what it is? :p
29:53 <Zsjoelfir> yes.
30:34 <Nero_wrk> but yeah, I got used to RPN, and now get absolutly confused whenever I hve to use a non-rpn calculator
31:16 <Zsjoelfir> its probably the same as with mice and trackballs, or mechanical keyboards. I got so used to using them, I just can't work with a normal one anymore
31:27 * K reverses Zsjoelfirs mice
31:36 <K> and makes it speak polish
31:58 <Zsjoelfir> kurrrrrva!
32:01 <Nero_wrk> I don't have the problem with keybaords - while I much prefer mechanical keyboards, its not like I lost the ability to type on a regular one
32:01 <K> haha
32:20 <Zsjoelfir> well, I CAN type on them, but I hate it.
32:27 <Nero_wrk> though I have gotten so used to some of my auto-hotkey mappings of arrowkeys and so on to capslock+letter that I get very confused about that on other computers
33:19 <K> i do not see myself using any other keyboard than apple wired aluminium one
33:55 <K> one with f13-f19 keys
34:31 <Zsjoelfir> I think I tried (an older?) apple keyboard once, it felt very nice, but I think I didn't like the design. and it has not enough keytravel for my taste
34:46 <K> i like it because it is flat as pancake
35:03 <Zsjoelfir> so you enjoy what I hate, good ;P
36:05 <K> i have this cork-mat, 3-4mm thick, and the keyboard "hangs" over the furthest edge, almost feels like keyboard is inside the table
36:22 <K> no bent wrists or other nonsense
36:34 <Zsjoelfir> oooh, I can see how that would be very nice
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08:09 <Nero_wrk> I would imagine that isn't the best on the wrists to have it that flat?
08:26 <Nero_wrk> like isn't the entire point of tilting the keyboard upwards the fact that keeping your writst that flat isn't very good for them?
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16:26 <Nero_wrk> pfff I hate having to write my password on this work laptop
16:35 <Nero_wrk> I wish I could set a simpler pin on it
17:06 <Nero_wrk> because either I have to make all my work-related stuff less secure by changing my general password to something I can actually remember, or I need to always manually copy the password from my phone
19:49 <Ampera> Good morning
19:58 <Ampera> It seems to have jumped forward a season or two
20:05 <Ampera> overcast this morning, makes it look like fall/winter
20:23 <Ampera> Had my headlights going on the way to work
21:31 <LordGeir> 12:20PM here in Norway now, and the sun is out with 22C and it's still warming up
23:08 <Ampera> 06:21 here, the sun has fucked off, it's 73F, and I'm still waking up
24:19 <Nero_wrk> 12:23 here, 24 ish deg I think, sun is shining, need to lower blinds or it will eb 30c inside by the end of the day
25:10 <LordGeir> I have the aircon on 24/7, or I'd be melting away
25:21 <Nero_wrk> we don't have aircon at this appartment
25:56 <Nero_wrk> the hosue I'm renovating does, but since the fucking city still hasn't installed my sewage connection I can't live there even though it has been 99% finished and perfectly habitable (bar the stupid sewege connection) for over 2 months
26:05 <Nero_wrk> (can you tell there is some frustration going on there)
26:38 <LordGeir> I could sense a hint of it!
27:18 <LordGeir> I have 2 movable units in my house. One in the living room and one in my bedroom (last one only runs at night)
28:42 <Ampera> we have maybe 6-8 aircons in the house
28:52 <Ampera> the air conditioner is the national instrument of the american people
28:55 <Nero_wrk> we have one movable unit here but it just doesn't work that well as a real separate system
29:19 <Ampera> all of ours are window units
29:23 <Ampera> cause portables stink
29:31 <Nero_wrk> the system at the new house is a true full heatpump, both heating and cooling, multisplit with 1 external and 3 (in the future 4) interior units
30:07 <K> why wouldnt keeping the wrist flat be good?
30:16 <K> it is not bent, tendons are at ease
30:43 * Ampera bends a potato into potato salad, and then slides it over to K
30:53 <K> hmm, what kind of potato salad?
31:00 <Ampera> there is more than one kind?
31:11 <Ampera> mayo. pickles, peas, idk some other stuff
31:19 <K> ah ok
31:23 <K> that is acceptable
31:37 <K> there is this "potato salad" they serve with schnitzel
31:47 <Ampera> no
31:54 <Ampera> although today is going to be bratwurst and potato day for me
32:00 <K> which is, as far as i can tell, made from boiled potato, and some vinegar/oil
32:04 <Ampera> probably home fries of some sort
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08:45 <steve30> o/
09:11 * Ampera pets steve30 
09:14 <Ampera> how are you doing steve?
37:45 <steve30> usual
37:53 <steve30> complete crap
38:02 * Ampera hugs steve30 
38:25 <Ampera> A crap life is worth living to find the good parts.
40:48 * steve30 has run out of sleeping pills
41:08 * Ampera pets steve30 to sleep instead
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28:19 <Nero_wrk> quite this afternoon
28:35 <Nero_wrk> quiet*
31:49 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, want me to scream?
31:51 <rust1> sssh!
31:58 <Nero_wrk> I'm good, thanks
32:04 <Ampera> I CAN FIX THIS PROBLEM OF YOURS IF YOU WANT!!!
32:11 <Ampera> HEY EVERYONE! IT SURE IS QUIET TODAY!!!
32:16 <Ampera> hello rust1 how are you doing
32:24 <Ampera> you should get a rust1 vanity plate
32:32 <rust1> heyyyy I am doing.
32:41 <rust1> those are expensive, lol
33:08 <rust1> I think they are around $1000 or so
33:17 <Ampera> I think they're a few hundred here
33:18 <Ampera> not sure
33:32 <Nero_wrk> I believe they are similar price here, rust1
33:48 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, aren't you from norway?
33:57 <rust1> seems a bit weird, when the car just has less than a month left to live, lol
33:58 <Nero_wrk> no, Belgium
34:02 <Ampera> ah
34:12 <Ampera> there's so many people from norway in these channels for some reason...
34:22 <Ampera> I just assume anyone who lives in a place that's expensive to be from there
34:33 <rust1> is there? I only know 3
34:48 <Ampera> you, Polesch (old channel),
34:49 <Ampera> uhh
34:52 <Ampera> some others
35:17 <rust1> the geir and the erlend
36:23 <Ampera> I think a Mr someone in one of these channels is also a filthy viking too
36:33 <Nero_wrk> I don't know if norway has higher cost-of-living than Belgium
36:35 <Nero_wrk> probably similar
36:44 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, my point exactly
36:49 <Ampera> you live in a place that is expensive, and norway is also expensive
36:53 <Ampera> therefore my confusion
37:33 <Nero_wrk> aren't you from the US?
37:55 <rust1> you are right, he is supposed to be confused
38:04 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, no I am from NY
38:17 <Nero_wrk> it's not like the that is much cheaper cost of living than here I think
39:03 <rust1> I think different things are expensive. so if you only want to exist, some place is probably much cheaper than others
39:25 <rust1> if you want to have a life also, then it is different
39:45 <Nero_wrk> I think the range of income is perhaps larger in the US
40:33 <Nero_wrk> I don't know, I like to refrain from a lot of these statements since I have no grasp of what it is to pay for life anywhere for most people
40:59 <rust1> meh, it is just a thing you can not really compare, lol
41:19 <Nero_wrk> indeed
41:47 <Nero_wrk> I see how a lot of it is also cultural (seeing as I my place of work is 75% foreigners from all over the world)
42:26 <Nero_wrk> eg with food, where you have cultures that are used to going out for dinner and lunch almost every other meal, which is absolutly not a thing in our food culture
42:39 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, cost of living here is WAY lower
42:47 <Ampera> A really good salary is 80kUSD/yr
43:03 <Ampera> if you make 6 figures, you're living like a king
43:06 <Nero_wrk> and as a result our food at restaurants is more expensive, served more slowly, etc
43:22 <rust1> and average would be... around 65?
43:27 <Nero_wrk> Ampera: you seem to have a skewed perception of how much we get paid here (esp after tax lol)
43:32 <Ampera> This is before tax
43:36 <Nero_wrk> yeah
43:57 <Ampera> Average here is probably 30-40k/yr
44:00 <Nero_wrk> My GF, who earns more than anyone else of my age I know apart from some people who own their own company, gets 86kEUR/year net
44:02 <rust1> ok
44:40 <Nero_wrk> and that is to most people considered a boatload of money, heck, a married couple of my age of whom one is office manager and the other construction manager, earn less than that together
45:16 <Nero_wrk> my current pre-tax (engineer) income is like 45k I think?
45:38 <Ampera> htm
45:41 <Ampera> er, hrm
45:50 <Nero_wrk> (I don't know for sure since I'm phd student and due to financial/legal things I don't pay tax and so only know my effective net)
45:51 <Ampera> that means I actually make more than you do
46:00 <Ampera> probably significantly more, because my taxes are gonna be way lower than yours
46:11 <Nero_wrk> I get net 2.5k EUR/month
46:29 <Nero_wrk> GF gets 3.5k to 4k EUR/month net I think
46:31 <rust1> I make around 55 to 60, and taxes add up to around 50%
46:46 <K> mesa gonn get net 2.9k for senior dev
47:09 <K> whish is, as i am told, lowest bracket for sr dev
47:19 <Nero_wrk> Lol, my gf got a 10k eur bonus, of which after tax, she had 3.3k left
47:26 <K> pff
47:28 <rust1> but, for the important bit: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-most-expensive-countries-measured-by-the-big-mac-index.html
47:28 <EEVBot> [url] Big Mac Index - Prices Around The World - WorldAtlas | www.worldatlas.com
48:27 <Nero_wrk> anyho
48:45 <K> the big smack
49:15 <rust1> ok, I am going to the dump. have fun
49:21 <K> have a nice one!
49:25 <Nero_wrk> cya
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50:27 <Nero_wrk> But another important factor ofcourse is things like healthcare cost, school cost, etc
50:32 <Ampera> Nero_wrk, I get a bit over 3k/mo after taxes
50:41 <Ampera> My work pays for most of my healthcare
50:49 <Ampera> public school is free, the state pays for state college up to a point
50:58 <Ampera> We have no automotive property taxes in my state, and gas is cheaper.
51:05 <Ampera> Food is cheap if you know where to buy it
51:55 <Nero_wrk> not to mention housing costs if you buy lol
52:03 <Nero_wrk> at least outside of city centers
52:37 <Nero_wrk> anyho
52:48 <Ampera> Our house was 80k in 2010, 2 family 3 stories
53:01 * Nero_wrk cries
53:01 <EEVBot> ( p′︵‵。)
53:11 <Ampera> Rent is obnoxious, though. If you're a family, you're paying well over 1200 USD/mo for something even livable
53:43 <Nero_wrk> for 1000EUR/month you will be lucky if you get a 2-bedroom apartment with 80m2 floor space and no parking
54:01 <Nero_wrk> My house was 300k, 1 bedroom, 120 square meters, 10km from the city center
55:42 <Ampera> I'm going into the housing market right now with a budget of 30k
55:53 <Ampera> for a house that needs a lot of work, but won't blow down or be burned down by the neighbors.
55:53 <Nero_wrk> like, the windows in my house litereally cost that much
56:37 <Nero_wrk> well, good luck on the hunt
56:41 <Ampera> 80k was 4 bedrooms, 3 full bathrooms, a (small) back yard, 3 car garage
56:51 <Ampera> It needed some minor renovations and a new roof.
56:54 <Nero_wrk> So the parking lot in my GFs appartment costs 120k eur
57:34 <Nero_wrk> it is actually becoming a near crisis here, where anyone under 40 here (with exception of say engineers and doctors) cannot buy a house
57:56 <Ampera> are you in a major urban center?
58:13 <Ampera> cause that's a significant different. I'm in a city of 66k
59:22 <Nero_wrk> I think 85% of flanders woudl be considered semi-urban
59:28 <Nero_wrk> but I am indeed in a quite expensive region
59:45 <Nero_wrk> though even my friends who bought a house in the cheapest area of belgium still paid 350k for a smaller family house
59:50 <Nero_wrk> that required significant renovation
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