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03:33:03 <Avatar> I think I said I'd run a game next weekend, but I'm going to be busy next weekend
03:33:09 <Avatar> will have to be weekend after
03:49:50 <Damalon01> hey all
03:52:20 <Avatar> mr D
03:52:48 <s_gmusic> yo dama
03:53:06 <Avatar> I'm busy next weekend, so can't run a game then
03:53:14 <Avatar> forgot my plans
03:57:49 <Avatar> anyone use amaysim for their phone provider?
04:03:28 <Emperor_Zoron> Hello Damalon01.
04:33:06 <Avatar> unicon rego has opened
04:33:10 <Avatar> early october
04:33:23 <Avatar> for all you melburnians
04:33:35 <Brunius> hmmmm
04:33:37 <Brunius> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
04:33:39 <Brunius> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
04:34:07 <Brunius> shit
04:34:11 <Brunius> I lost my aon password
04:34:29 <Avatar> ops
04:34:38 <Brunius> oh, it's that one
04:34:49 <Brunius> They still think I'm 9 on AON
04:34:50 <Avatar> that sounds like you use the same password across multiple sites
04:34:51 <Brunius> I dunno why
04:34:58 <Avatar> I got #17
04:35:03 <Brunius> I use a mixture of about four passwords
04:35:14 <Avatar> that is not enough
04:35:17 <Brunius> 18
04:35:17 <Avatar> you will get hacked and then what
04:35:43 <Brunius> And then my world will explode
04:35:51 <Avatar> a quarter of it will, yes
04:36:17 <Brunius> You're not usually the one complaining about security, Avatar
04:36:21 <Brunius> That's usually Mekkis
04:36:36 <Avatar> security on the web is pretty scary once you do some research into it
04:36:44 <Avatar> password security especially
04:37:22 <Avatar> I didn't like the idea of two factor authentication, but it's a hell of a lot better than the risk of not having it
04:37:40 <Brunius> Yeah, I was thinking this morning I should do something about making my passwords more secure
04:37:54 <Brunius> and two factor was what immediately occured to me
04:38:00 <Avatar> there's talk about how even the most secure passwords won't cover you
04:38:19 <Avatar> I mean passwords like gfd@#f321fdfjis is not safe
04:38:28 <Brunius> Why
04:38:43 <Mekkis> Problem with two-factor is that you need to give them more personal details
04:38:43 <Avatar> because that's still a "crackable" password
04:39:15 <Brunius> How?
04:39:30 <Avatar> password breaking has become incredibly sophisiticated
04:39:40 <Avatar> I don't know the exact methods, I haven't tried it
04:40:19 <Avatar> basically since the rockyou drama and computers as powerful as they are today, a lot of different patterns have been picked up
04:40:27 <Brunius> wtf is rockyou
04:40:49 <Avatar> rockyou got hacked a few years ago and a shitload of their user's accounts had their passwords in text
04:41:09 <Avatar> and with that database out, they could use that list to work out how people create passwords
04:52:15 <Avatar> that also means if you have a password in that list, they can figure it out pretty instantly rather than having to wait minutes to hours
05:18:56 <Mekkis> Avatar, that depends on what sort of access an attacker has
05:19:09 <Avatar> once they have access, obviously
05:21:48 <Mekkis> what sort of access. If they've just got the login form, they can only attempt to break it as fast as the server allows them to.
05:22:09 <Mekkis> If they have a copy of the hashed password database, they can try much faster.
05:22:23 <Mekkis> If they have a copy of the cleartext database, it doesn't matter how complex your password is.
05:23:27 <Mekkis> What about a password like re2€áaä!
05:43:59 <Steven> he doesnt have agile on his weapon either.
05:44:18 <Steven> so once he gets that its going to go up to like 1d6+30 or so damage.
05:44:30 <Steven> just fuckin silly amounts of damage
05:45:11 <Steven> with a weapon that has 15-20 crit range and he hasnt really put in any investment to his damage.
05:45:28 <Mekkis> I thought it didn't multiply on a crit.
05:45:36 <Steven> just power attack and class abilities
05:46:20 <Steven> the +lvl doesnt, but all the other damage does.
05:47:36 <Steven> It is just stupid good really.
05:47:45 <Steven> for very little investment overall.
05:47:58 <Steven> and the arcanist... ugh... fuckin annoying cant get a spell off at all.
05:48:11 <Steven> immediate action counterspell bwahahahahaha
05:51:48 <Mekkis> sure you can
05:51:53 <Mekkis> just cast spells they can't counter
05:53:30 <Mekkis> or are they using Dispel Magic to counter?
05:54:02 <Steven> no
05:54:26 <Steven> arcanists get to counterspell as an immediate action and the person's dice have been hot.
05:56:15 <Mekkis> So?
05:56:24 <Mekkis> As I said, cast spells they can't counter
05:56:39 <Steven> have you looked through RotRL?
05:56:56 <Mekkis> no, I'm playing it
05:57:45 <Steven> well... most of them dont have spells that the arcanist cant counter.
05:59:24 <Mekkis> as the GM, if those enemies are smart, they would have heard of the PCs by now.
05:59:29 <Mekkis> Bestow Curse, for instance...
05:59:40 <Mekkis> very hard to counter
06:01:05 <Mekkis> !spell bestow curse
06:01:07 <diebot> Mekkis, BESTOW CURSE necromancy ([curse]) cleric 3, sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 3, antipaladin 3 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: permanent Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
06:01:07 <diebot> You place a curse on the subject. Choose one of the following. -6 decrease to an ability score (minimum 1). -4 penalty on attack rolls, saves, ability checks, and skill checks. Each turn, the target has a 50% chance to act normally; otherwise, it takes no action. You may also invent your own curse, but it should be no more powerful than those
06:01:07 <diebot> described above. The curse bestowed by this spell cannot be dispelled, but it can be removed with a break enchantment, limited wish, miracle, remove curse, or wish spell. Bestow curse counters remove curse.
06:01:13 <Steven> not really man.
06:01:24 <Mekkis> how so?
06:03:26 <Steven> go look at the counterspell ability of the arcanist. she rolls a dice and boom countered.
06:03:31 <Mekkis> as long as you're not hitting the arcanist, it should be pretty hard to counter.
06:05:22 <Steven> costs an arcane point and a spell slot higher then whatever is being cast unless she has it prepped, then its the same level.
06:05:46 <Steven> it is a very powerful ability, on par with a mythic path ability.
06:07:53 <Mekkis> If the target is within range, both spells automatically negate each other with no other results.
06:08:08 <Mekkis> Or does the arcanist's ability somehow satisfy that
06:10:01 <Steven> the ability is as per dispel magic for the countering so medium range.
06:10:16 <Steven> usually more than enough to counter whatever is being cast at the party.
06:11:15 <Mekkis> don't most of the enemies have the ability to cast higher-level spells than the arcanist can handle?
06:11:24 <Steven> no
06:11:44 <Steven> they are monsters that have class levels, which means lower class levels than the party.
06:12:32 <Mekkis> ah
06:12:52 <Mekkis> Looking at taking Craft Rod in RotR
06:13:05 <Steven> can get some decent rods made with that.
06:13:55 <Mekkis> yeah. So getting the Immovable Rod
06:16:02 <Steven> immovable rod so fun... somebody stopped a charging elephant with one before.
06:16:54 <Mekkis> but other than metamagic rods, and rod of wonder... there isn't really much
06:17:38 <Steven> i've always liked the rod of splendor
06:17:56 <Mekkis> it's not horrible
06:18:47 <Damalon01> Rod of Lordly Might?
06:18:53 <Steven> never been a fan.
06:19:18 <Damalon01> yeah i think its an odd one. by the time you can get one you dont want it...
06:21:27 <Steven> I think the next one worthwhile to get would be the scepter of heaven, but only if you plan on getting some of the other pieces.
06:21:29 <Mekkis> !item rod of lordly might
06:21:32 <diebot> Mekkis, ROD OF LORDLY MIGHT [strong varies] CL:19 none 70000gp, 10lb
06:21:33 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/rod_of_lordly_might.html
06:21:39 <Mekkis> !item scepter of heaven
06:21:41 <diebot> Mekkis, SCEPTER OF HEAVEN [moderate evocation] CL:10 none 74000gp, 3lb
06:21:41 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/scepter_of_heaven.html
06:30:54 <Steven> alright, im gonna go get some sleep before the shit storm of tomorrow hits.
06:31:05 <Damalon01> gnight
06:31:09 <Avatar> gg
06:31:19 <Steven> I'll be leaving my computer up cause avatar was like rawr you should lurk more.
06:33:40 <Avatar> I was like rawr !
06:34:35 <Steven> totes was
06:35:47 <Steven> omg!
06:35:53 <Avatar> mg!
06:36:19 <Steven> all the gms for tomorrow have signed up... i can just peace out once tables are set up.
06:37:34 <Steven> yay!
09:14:21 <Mekkis> !search animate objects
09:14:22 <diebot> Mekkis, 30 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
09:17:08 <Mekkis> !search intelligent
09:17:10 <diebot> Mekkis, 41 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
09:29:56 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 26th 10am (1-2,Damalon01) || WotW: Sat 2nd 10am || SS: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
09:29:56 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Wed Jul 23 17:52:30 2014
09:29:56 <***> Buffer Playback...
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09:31:28 <Einar> And here we hear the strange grunts and roars used by the gamer species as their means of communication. We must be very careful - a roll of 15 or less on our stealth, and they'll hear us.
09:32:35 * Emperor_Zoron shifts and his ears perk up.
09:40:44 <Mekkis> !search ego is
09:40:47 <diebot> Mekkis, Obsession Ring
09:40:55 <Mekkis> !item Obsession Ring
09:40:56 <diebot> Mekkis, OBSESSION RING [moderate abjuration] CL:9 ring 116500gp, 0lb
09:40:56 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/obsession_ring.html
09:41:14 <Mekkis> !item Ego 1
09:41:15 <diebot> Mekkis, EROEME [strong divination] CL:12 none 180350gp, 4lb
09:41:15 <diebot> Eroeme is a lawful-aligned intelligent +2 mithral monstrous humanoid bane greatsword that can resize to fit the hands of its wielder. In the days when Azlant battled the serpentfolk empire, five lesser replicas of Savith's legendary magical sword were crafted for her closest allies. One of these weapons was Eroeme, made for the cyclops general
09:41:16 <diebot> Aveshai with the specific purpose of slaying the serpentfolk and their agents wherever they might be found on or beneath Golarion. The sword's knowledge and experience was invaluable to General Aveshai as he faced the serpentfolk in Ilmurea, and its disappearance (along with the general) somewhere beneath the Mwangi jungles was a blow to Azlanti
09:41:16 <diebot> morale. Source: AP 42
09:41:24 <Mekkis> !search Ego 1
09:41:26 <diebot> Mekkis, No items found.
09:42:07 <Mekkis> !search <b>Ego</b>
09:42:09 <diebot> Mekkis, No items found.
09:42:22 <Mekkis> !search <b>Ego </b>
09:42:23 <diebot> Mekkis, 41 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
09:50:23 <Einar> Hey, spoilers!
09:50:49 <Einar> I'm in a Serpent's Skull game, and we only just dealt with the events in there.
09:55:22 <s_gmusic|Work> meh
10:13:33 <Emperor_Zoron> Lol
11:20:08 * Emperor_Zoron rolls around in circles.
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15:11:03 <Steven> yo
15:14:41 <Emperor_Zoron> Hello.
15:19:08 <s_gmusic> yo steven
15:32:52 <s_gmusic> steven, any tips for an arcane caster?
15:33:54 <Steven> meh... they arent hard. just figure out something you want to do and then make the character do that one thing well.
15:36:11 <s_gmusic> mmk. it's currently a tielfing universalist wizard. not sure about feats or changing over to human.
15:51:06 <Emperor_Zoron> Humans do get an additional feat.
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15:58:38 <Steven> he lies they dont get an extra feat at all!
15:59:32 <s_gmusic> heh
16:00:02 <s_gmusic> well, there is an alternate human racial ability that gives up both the extra feat and extra skill points. in exchange, you get another +2 you can put in any stat.
16:01:38 <Emperor_Zoron> Nice...
16:03:50 * Emperor_Zoron wonders if he should dust off Bob for a game...
16:04:13 <Emperor_Zoron> I never really got to use him...
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17:03:30 <Einar> Good... well, evening here. Morning to the Australians
17:04:40 <Einar> ...I hate introducing myself. I've been playing D&D for about... ten years, arguably more if you include the two-hour exposure to 1e when I was young.
17:05:16 <Einar> Lessee... And, given the time, I don't know if anyone else is on.
17:06:01 <Emperor_Zoron> I'm here.
17:06:36 <Einar> You don't count. You're one of my players
17:06:48 <Emperor_Zoron> Some people were on earlier.
17:06:54 * Emperor_Zoron is hurt by that statement. =P
17:07:26 <Emperor_Zoron> Also. 10 years? Did not know that.
17:10:11 <Einar> Think that's about right. Took it up in college.
17:10:28 <Einar> (British definition)
17:11:32 <s_gmusic> blarg
17:12:14 <Einar> Hey.
17:15:39 <s_gmusic> yo
17:17:33 <Avatar> we're always here
17:18:25 <Einar> Pleased to meet all of you.
17:22:37 <s_gmusic> time zones, einar, zoron?
17:24:19 * Emperor_Zoron is...
17:24:21 <Emperor_Zoron> Hold on.
17:24:33 <Avatar> don't say est
17:25:24 <Avatar> I think I said I'd run a game next weekend, but I'm going to be busy next weekend
17:25:31 <Avatar> will have to be weekend after
17:25:49 <Emperor_Zoron> Central time. UTC-6:00
17:26:14 <Emperor_Zoron> Einar is in Scotland.
17:26:14 <Avatar> I'm UTC+10, eastern time
17:26:20 <Avatar> australian eastern time
17:26:29 <s_gmusic> well, that's not EST, but puts you in line with me... except my sleep schedule is DERP and I'm around whenever
17:26:48 <Avatar> the utc is the important part
17:27:17 <Emperor_Zoron> Einar: What part of Scotland are you precisely in again?
17:29:31 <Einar> UTC+1 at the moment, as we're in BST
17:29:40 <Einar> Edinburgh
17:29:52 <Einar> I'll be a little busy in August because of the Festival
17:30:00 <Einar> But my sleep schedule is very random. =)
17:32:31 <Avatar> random sleep schedules are good
17:32:54 <Avatar> my dream is to be a polyphasic sleeper
17:33:03 <Avatar> secretly
17:33:32 <Avatar> full time, at least
17:33:41 <Einar> Not so secret if you tell people. Is that where the brain sleeps in alternate halves?
17:33:55 <Einar> Or is that the five hours but spaced out one?
17:34:07 <Avatar> five hours spaced out, don't know about alternate halves
17:34:13 <Avatar> are you thinking of lucid sleeping
17:34:31 <Avatar> I've done that only once before, by accident, and it was extremely trippy
17:35:31 * Emperor_Zoron just sleeps... Every other day.
17:36:13 <Einar> It's a thing some animals do. They're always at least partially awake, because they just shut down half the brain at a time
17:36:27 <Einar> So the left brain sleeps a bit, then the right brain, and so on
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17:42:11 <Damalon01> hey all
17:44:41 <Avatar> mr D
17:45:09 <s_gmusic> yo dama
17:45:28 <Avatar> I'm busy next weekend, so can't run a game then
17:45:35 <Avatar> forgot my plans
17:47:34 <Emperor_Zoron> Does that mean their dreams are artistic half the time and bureaucratic the for the rest?
17:48:31 <Avatar> so I haven't met a scottish player before
17:48:34 <Avatar> do you like playing dwarves?
17:48:48 <Einar> Yes, but that's unrelated.
17:49:00 <Avatar> do you like *roleplaying* dwarves
17:49:04 <Einar> I grew up in America and Wales
17:49:11 <Avatar> do you have the accent
17:49:14 * Emperor_Zoron plays one in a Dungeon World game.
17:49:20 <Emperor_Zoron> No. =P
17:49:26 <Avatar> well that's no fun
17:49:38 <Emperor_Zoron> His dwarf is more of a victorian hunter.
17:49:42 <Avatar> I am terrible at accents but I had to roleplay a dwarf once and I did it inpeccably, by accident
17:49:50 <Einar> Well, one of them
17:50:10 <Avatar> anyone use amaysim for their phone provider?
17:51:00 <Einar> http://adamcuerden.deviantart.com/art/Archibald-Hastings-Jungle-Explorer-colour-303012820
17:54:55 <Avatar> victorian
17:54:59 <Avatar> with an english accent?
17:55:49 <Emperor_Zoron> Hello Damalon01.
17:56:09 <Emperor_Zoron> Aye.
17:56:44 <Einar> Yep. I tend to play slightly eccentric dwarves
17:57:16 <Einar> Like the dwarf bard with a reinforced lute he beats things with
17:57:52 <Emperor_Zoron> He does play a good bard
17:59:50 <s_gmusic> the only way to play a bad bard, though, is to... play a bard. :P
18:01:39 <Einar> Well, it was Fantasy Craft
18:01:56 <Einar> I probably wouldn't in Pathfinder.
18:02:39 <Emperor_Zoron> Give it times. You know how you are with singing. =P
18:02:46 <Emperor_Zoron> Give it time*
18:03:20 <Einar> In chat?
18:03:32 <Emperor_Zoron> You know what I mean.
18:03:55 <Emperor_Zoron> They use skype to do their games here.
18:04:35 <Emperor_Zoron> A practice I fully approve of and appreciate.
18:04:44 <Emperor_Zoron> Less walls of text.
18:05:16 <Einar> They do?
18:05:20 <Einar> Mwahahahaha!
18:05:41 <s_gmusic> most of the game is over Skype. the irc is for general chatting and bots for die rolls and searching abilities
18:06:18 <s_gmusic> !feat Step Up
18:06:19 <diebot> s_gmusic, STEP UP [Combat]Prereq: Base attack bonus +1. You can close the distance when a foe tries to move away.
18:06:19 <diebot> Benefit: Whenever an adjacent foe attempts to take a 5-foot step away from you, you may also make a 5-foot step as an immediate action so long as you end up adjacent to the foe that triggered this ability. If you take this step, you cannot take a 5-foot step during your next turn. If you take an action to move during your next turn, subtract 5
18:06:20 <diebot> feet from your total movement. Source: Core
18:06:23 <Einar> I should warn: I'm in two Gilbert and Sullivan operas at the Edinburgh Fringe. A rock-and-roll version of Trial by Jury (Judge), and The Pirates of Penzance (chorister)
18:06:24 <s_gmusic> see?
18:06:40 <Einar> Neat!
18:07:06 <s_gmusic> step up is nice, but the final one is best
18:07:07 <Einar> (Long stoory short: If you don't want singiong, don't give me reason to. =P)
18:07:11 <s_gmusic> !feat Step Up and Strike
18:07:11 <diebot> s_gmusic, STEP UP AND STRIKE [Combat]Prereq: Dex 13, Following Step, Step Up, base attack bonus +6. When a foe tries to move away, you can follow and make an attack.
18:07:12 <diebot> Benefit: When using the Step Up or Following Step feats to follow an adjacent foe, you may also make a single melee attack against that foe at your highest base attack bonus. This attack counts as one of your attacks of opportunity for the round. Using this feat does not count toward the number of actions you can usually take each round.
18:07:12 <diebot> Normal: You can usually only take one standard action and one 5-foot step each round. Source: APG
18:07:47 <Einar> Oh, that is good
18:08:08 <Emperor_Zoron> !feat Point Blank Shot
18:08:08 <diebot> Emperor_Zoron, POINT-BLANK SHOT [Combat] You are especially accurate when making ranged attacks against close targets.
18:08:09 <diebot> Benefit: You get a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at ranges of up to 30 feet. Source: Core
18:08:17 <Emperor_Zoron> ...That's handy. >_>
18:08:36 <Emperor_Zoron> Does it do spells too? :3
18:09:07 <s_gmusic> most things are in the bot, but there's a lot more that isn't.
18:09:13 <s_gmusic> !spell Scorching Ray
18:09:14 <diebot> s_gmusic, SCORCHING RAY evocation ([fire]) sorcerer/wizard 2, magus 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
18:09:14 <diebot> You blast your enemies with a searing beam of fire. You may fire one ray, plus one additional ray for every four levels beyond 3rd (to a maximum of three rays at 11th level). Each ray requires a ranged touch attack to hit and deals 4d6 points of fire damage. The rays may be fired at the same or different targets, but all rays must be aimed at
18:09:15 <diebot> targets within 30 feet of each other and fired simultaneously.
18:09:20 <Emperor_Zoron> ...
18:09:30 * Emperor_Zoron does a happy jig
18:09:52 <Emperor_Zoron> That's amazing!
18:12:22 <Einar> I'll be right back. I should probably sort out the blackcurrants we picked today before I get too comfy
18:12:39 <Emperor_Zoron> Ok...
18:12:49 <Emperor_Zoron> What blackcurrants?
18:12:51 <s_gmusic> I gotta get ready for work myself.
18:13:02 <Emperor_Zoron> Bye s_gmusic
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18:15:21 <Einar> Daria wants to make blackcurrant jam, but is out of space in her freezer, so we went to the backgreen and picked them, and I'm going to freeze 'em.
18:15:37 <Einar> Need to get some plastic wrap tomorrow, but I shoved some foil over the tray for now
18:16:41 <Emperor_Zoron> Ok.
18:17:46 <Einar> We have TONS
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18:25:27 <Avatar> unicon rego has opened
18:25:31 <Avatar> early october
18:25:45 <Avatar> for all you melburnians
18:25:57 <Brunius> hmmmm
18:25:58 <Brunius> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
18:26:00 <Brunius> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
18:26:28 <Brunius> shit
18:26:32 <Brunius> I lost my aon password
18:26:51 <Avatar> ops
18:26:59 <Brunius> oh, it's that one
18:27:10 <Brunius> They still think I'm 9 on AON
18:27:12 <Avatar> that sounds like you use the same password across multiple sites
18:27:12 <Brunius> I dunno why
18:27:19 <Avatar> I got #17
18:27:24 <Brunius> I use a mixture of about four passwords
18:27:35 <Avatar> that is not enough
18:27:38 <Brunius> 18
18:27:39 <Avatar> you will get hacked and then what
18:28:05 <Brunius> And then my world will explode
18:28:12 <Avatar> a quarter of it will, yes
18:28:38 <Brunius> You're not usually the one complaining about security, Avatar
18:28:42 <Brunius> That's usually Mekkis
18:28:57 <Avatar> security on the web is pretty scary once you do some research into it
18:29:05 <Avatar> password security especially
18:29:43 <Avatar> I didn't like the idea of two factor authentication, but it's a hell of a lot better than the risk of not having it
18:30:01 <Brunius> Yeah, I was thinking this morning I should do something about making my passwords more secure
18:30:15 <Brunius> and two factor was what immediately occured to me
18:30:21 <Avatar> there's talk about how even the most secure passwords won't cover you
18:30:40 <Avatar> I mean passwords like gfd@#f321fdfjis is not safe
18:30:49 <Brunius> Why
18:31:04 <Mekkis> Problem with two-factor is that you need to give them more personal details
18:31:05 <Avatar> because that's still a "crackable" password
18:31:33 <Emperor_Zoron> Welcome back.
18:31:36 <Brunius> How?
18:31:52 <Avatar> password breaking has become incredibly sophisiticated
18:32:02 <Avatar> I don't know the exact methods, I haven't tried it
18:32:40 <Avatar> basically since the rockyou drama and computers as powerful as they are today, a lot of different patterns have been picked up
18:32:48 <Brunius> wtf is rockyou
18:33:10 <Avatar> rockyou got hacked a few years ago and a shitload of their user's accounts had their passwords in text
18:33:31 <Avatar> and with that database out, they could use that list to work out how people create passwords
18:44:36 <Avatar> that also means if you have a password in that list, they can figure it out pretty instantly rather than having to wait minutes to hours
18:46:56 <s_gmusic|Work> rawrg
18:51:17 <Emperor_Zoron> Rawr.
19:11:17 <Mekkis> Avatar, that depends on what sort of access an attacker has
19:11:31 <Avatar> once they have access, obviously
19:14:09 <Mekkis> what sort of access. If they've just got the login form, they can only attempt to break it as fast as the server allows them to.
19:14:30 <Mekkis> If they have a copy of the hashed password database, they can try much faster.
19:14:44 <Mekkis> If they have a copy of the cleartext database, it doesn't matter how complex your password is.
19:15:48 <Mekkis> What about a password like re2€áaä!
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19:34:10 <Avatar> might be a bit hard to use that on a mobile
19:34:29 <Brunius> Except for the euro symbol, easier, I'd think
19:34:30 <Avatar> and I'm talking about a hashed password database or better
19:36:11 <Mekkis> better?
19:37:10 <Avatar> better for them to crack through
19:39:07 <Einar> And here we hear the strange grunts and roars used by the gamer species as their means of communication. We must be very careful - a roll of 15 or less on our stealth, and they'll hear us.
19:40:14 * Emperor_Zoron shifts and his ears perk up.
19:48:23 <Mekkis> !search ego is
19:48:26 <diebot> Mekkis, Obsession Ring
19:48:34 <Mekkis> !item Obsession Ring
19:48:35 <diebot> Mekkis, OBSESSION RING [moderate abjuration] CL:9 ring 116500gp, 0lb
19:48:35 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/obsession_ring.html
19:48:53 <Mekkis> !item Ego 1
19:48:54 <diebot> Mekkis, EROEME [strong divination] CL:12 none 180350gp, 4lb
19:48:54 <diebot> Eroeme is a lawful-aligned intelligent +2 mithral monstrous humanoid bane greatsword that can resize to fit the hands of its wielder. In the days when Azlant battled the serpentfolk empire, five lesser replicas of Savith's legendary magical sword were crafted for her closest allies. One of these weapons was Eroeme, made for the cyclops general
19:48:54 <diebot> Aveshai with the specific purpose of slaying the serpentfolk and their agents wherever they might be found on or beneath Golarion. The sword's knowledge and experience was invaluable to General Aveshai as he faced the serpentfolk in Ilmurea, and its disappearance (along with the general) somewhere beneath the Mwangi jungles was a blow to Azlanti
19:48:54 <diebot> morale. Source: AP 42
19:49:04 <Mekkis> !search Ego 1
19:49:05 <diebot> Mekkis, No items found.
19:49:47 <Mekkis> !search <b>Ego</b>
19:49:48 <diebot> Mekkis, No items found.
19:50:01 <Mekkis> !search <b>Ego </b>
19:50:02 <diebot> Mekkis, 41 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
19:58:02 <Einar> Hey, spoilers!
19:58:28 <Einar> I'm in a Serpent's Skull game, and we only just dealt with the events in there.
20:03:01 <s_gmusic|Work> meh
20:06:19 <Avatar> I keep thinking today is friday
20:06:24 <Avatar> blarg another day of work
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20:21:12 <Emperor_Zoron> Lol
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21:27:46 * Emperor_Zoron rolls around in circles.
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