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39:10 <Mekkis> I see where this is going
39:10 <Thanatos> aka, offtank/offdamage/healer/utility
39:20 <Thanatos> and i cant have him be a PLAYER npc
39:30 <Thanatos> he is going to leave and they are going to die
39:36 <Thanatos> basically
39:48 <Mekkis> I'd let a PC take leadership and give him to them
39:54 <Thanatos> yes, absolutely
40:00 <spider21b2> hey sorry i got disconnected
40:05 <spider21b2> what happend?
40:07 <Thanatos> but he was the only mitigating factor in the group almost
40:11 <Thanatos> i was talking about my campaign
40:25 <spider21b2> i got that
40:28 <Thanatos> and the issues im having taking over this game as gm, when i was a player playing a druid
40:45 <spider21b2> was the druid the orc?
40:47 <Mekkis> secondly: the barbarian's damage. How many swings does it take for him to down the average enemy?
40:47 <Thanatos> who was the sole healing, basically the only spellcaster
40:50 <Thanatos> heh
40:55 <Thanatos> WAY too much almost
41:07 <Thanatos> +10 damage when raging, + weapon
41:10 <spider21b2> hum,
41:13 <Thanatos> oops, +11
41:13 <Mekkis> no, I mean...
41:18 <Mekkis> How many swings does it take for him to down the average enemy?
41:25 <spider21b2> i mean, they could get potions and stuff for them selves
41:26 <Thanatos> the enemies so far, 1-2 max
41:35 <spider21b2> and not use the  druid as a heal bot
41:35 <Thanatos> yeah, thats a good idea.
41:50 <Thanatos> druid can just make them some starter potions (took craft potion at 3 for this reason)
42:17 <Mekkis> as I see it, two turns to down a standard enemy, three or four to deal with a boss is reasonable
42:20 <Thanatos> the actual powerful foes they faced have beat them down seriously, and then the barb surrenderd
42:20 <spider21b2> i mean what level are they
42:24 <Thanatos> 6-7
42:50 <spider21b2> i mean if your playing 3.5 vs pathfinder there is a big differance on how many actions it takes to take down enemies
42:58 <Thanatos> PF
43:00 <spider21b2> oh if your doing 6-7 i have a generator for you
43:06 <spider21b2> gotcha hold on
43:16 <Mekkis> how many PCs?
43:37 <spider21b2> http://donjon.bin.sh/pathfinder/encounter/
43:54 <Thanatos> mmmm donjon
43:56 <Thanatos> we have 3 pcs
44:03 <Thanatos> and i dont want to have a TPK
44:13 <Thanatos> they wanted to make another one each, i dont see an issue
44:22 <Mekkis> what are they?
44:22 <Thanatos> start them a bit lower, dont have them play them at the same time basically
44:25 <Thanatos> heh
44:47 <Mekkis> and how much system mastery do the players have?
44:50 <Thanatos> well when everyone made their characters it was me(druid) the barb, the bard
44:55 <Thanatos> and we added another player
45:04 <Thanatos> for party balance they decided on thief/wizard
45:14 <Thanatos> then our gm moved, and i took over
45:25 <Thanatos> and now our party is kind of unbalanced
45:49 <spider21b2> hum
46:06 <spider21b2> have you tried getting them to pay for a bard or a cleric to help?
46:08 <Mekkis> how much forward-planning have you done?
46:22 <Mekkis> are you running a published adventure?
46:35 <Thanatos> ive done a fair bit
46:46 <Thanatos> we are sort of running several published ones
46:56 <Mekkis> ah
46:57 <Thanatos> almost mishmashed together but in a very cohesive way
47:16 <Thanatos> mostly converting 2e to 3.5e to PF
47:17 <Mekkis> I'm not claiming to be an awesome GM, but here's what I would do:
47:20 <Thanatos> which is no problem
47:50 <Thanatos> and the world we are set in is the pathfinder realm thingy, so theres a world i can slot it all into
48:05 <Mekkis> Ask each player what their intentions with their PCs is, and get a copy of their character sheets.
48:31 <Thanatos> our gm started the campaign with the intent of holding onto all the sheets
48:43 <Thanatos> so we have kept that up, i collect them at the end of the session
49:35 <Mekkis> Work out what sort of adjustment (be it gear or houseruled abilities) is required to bring them to being able to handle the encounters that you're planning, and run a session or two so that they get what's required ingame.
49:54 <Thanatos> i asked them all when i took over, what their intentions are, what their motivations are, what kind of adventures would they like to see
50:28 <Mekkis> I'd also ask the out-of-character question of "what do you see your character doing"
50:43 <Thanatos> thats a good one, 1 sec im going to write this stuff down
51:03 <Mekkis> I mean, as a barbarian, I probably would rather a cloak of displacement rather than a ring of protection
51:46 <Thanatos> true, but the thing is haha
51:51 <Thanatos> the loot for the next encounter
51:55 <Thanatos> IS a cloak of displacement
52:05 <Thanatos> so i couldnt give them one now
52:20 <Mekkis> I get the impression that the PCs are underpowered for at-level enemies
52:23 <Mekkis> sure you could
52:26 <Thanatos> idk, hopefully they dont get turned to stone in the first 2 rounds
52:34 <Thanatos> i mean, magic swords, magic bows
52:36 <Mekkis> no reason why you can't switch loots around :)
52:41 <Thanatos> true story
53:19 <Thanatos> oh i just had a good idea
53:37 <Thanatos> im going to take those questions you suggested and write them on index cards
53:45 <Thanatos> and before the next session starts ill ask them to fill them out
54:38 <spider21b2> also is your game comedy or serious tone?
55:08 <Thanatos> bit of both, the main module we are running is a series of 8 separate encounters from levels 1-14
55:18 <Thanatos> meant to be spaced out in a persistent campaign
55:26 <spider21b2> gotcha
55:39 <spider21b2> is it in person or a skype game?
55:43 <Thanatos> in person
55:54 <Mekkis> I mean, bard, barbarian and rogue/wizard isn't a horrible party mix - I'd ensure that there are sufficient consumable magic items (scrolls of Cure serious wounds, wands of cure light, etc) for the bard (and the rogue, I guess) to keep the party standing...
56:28 <Mekkis> but at the end of the day, if the barbarian ISN'T doing the majority of damage (3x the other members is pretty reasonable) then something might be amiss.
56:29 <Thanatos> that was a large part of the reward for the last quest actually. ive been trying to phase out my old pc character as a healer/supporter
56:36 <Thanatos> makes sense
56:46 <Mekkis> are the other party members having issues with the barbarian hogging the spotlight?
56:54 <Thanatos> not that ive noticed
57:04 <Thanatos> but its like, when something doesnt go their way
57:13 <Thanatos> they shut down at the table
57:24 <Thanatos> i want to make the game fun for everyone you know?
58:37 <Mekkis> have you spoken to the player about this?
58:39 <spider21b2> nods
58:43 <Thanatos> at least once
58:59 <Mekkis> what was the response?
59:25 <Thanatos> reasonable, but with no followthrough
59:46 <Thanatos> unfortunately most of the issues ive had i can fingerpoint our old dm
59:53 <Thanatos> he misread cleave/greatcleave
00:34 <Thanatos> and we had to end a session mid combat because they wanted A: to hit with both ends of a double axe, great cleave with both ends,
00:44 <Thanatos> B: would not listen to a word i said
00:46 <Thanatos> and kept saying
01:00 <Thanatos> "Look you dont get it, its a DOUBLE-AXE, theres an axe on each end"
01:30 <Thanatos> its kind of frustrating when you say i get it, i really do. look at this page of this book im holding up to you and read THIS section right here
02:22 <Thanatos> and eventually they look it up on their own, and claimed i was still wrong in some way
02:43 <Thanatos> idk, its like everything i do as GM that negatively affects their character is taken as a personal slight
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02:57 <Thanatos> like they CANNOT be wrong. 
03:39 <Thanatos> also, they take absolutely forever to decide on anything, constantly on their cell phone at the table making us all recap, 
03:52 <Thanatos> on and on and on
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04:17 <Thanatos> idk, i plan on having a polite chat with them next time i see them
04:34 <Thanatos> but i figured i would try and get some feedback from other people not involved in the campaign
04:56 <Thanatos> as to a good course of action i can take to rebalance the game 
05:06 <Thanatos> and bring everyone back to everyone has fun
08:52 <spider21b2> brb
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29:13 <spider21b2> back
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36:32 <Thanatos> wb
40:54 <spider21b2> thanks going to do some stuff if you need me i will be out
41:23 <Thanatos> hf
43:03 <spider21b2> btw thoughts and ideas for this charater?
43:07 <spider21b2> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=969
43:34 <spider21b2> i was thinking of a western guy from taldor, gets sick and tired of his life and becomes a ninja!
44:57 <Thanatos> lol nice
45:26 <spider21b2> his name is Danny "smoke-bomb" johnson the 4th with a very 1985 vib
45:29 <Mekkis> seems like a thing
45:42 <spider21b2> a thing?
47:06 <spider21b2>  so mekkis who is playing tommrow for sure?
47:20 <Mekkis> hopefully, everyone who's signed up
47:39 <Thanatos> now, when you say PFS: Sun 13th 10am (1-5)... what time zone? and would you mind if i sort of hung around and got a feel for your game?
48:13 <Mekkis> AEST
48:22 <Mekkis> and feel free to hang around
48:22 <spider21b2> its really 5 pm for pst
48:41 <Thanatos> oh cool.
50:24 <Thanatos> so its like GMT +10?
51:33 <Mekkis> yeah
52:35 <spider21b2> hey mekkis any one sign up offically yet?
52:52 <Thanatos> sweet, EST is gmt -5.. so its like +5? 15:00 hours? let me double check
52:53 <Mekkis> yes - check the site
53:14 <Mekkis> Thanatos, it's starting at 0000 UTC.
53:21 <Mekkis> So in EST, it would be 1900
53:22 <Thanatos> derp
53:25 <Thanatos> yeah
54:05 <spider21b2> xd
54:05 <Thanatos> wait, this probably means it would still be saturday. at 8pm
54:10 <Thanatos> tomorrow for you
54:36 <spider21b2> for me it will be saturday 2 since i live in sf
54:42 <spider21b2> but at 5 pm 
54:48 <spider21b2> its all based on where you are
54:54 <Thanatos> yup. 8pm saturday
55:13 <Thanatos> shame, totally cant make it. 0 chance. but ill still idle and check my logs
55:35 <Thanatos> ahhhh, what a global world we live in
56:08 <spider21b2> yep
58:13 <spider21b2> anyway mekkis, so we got a ninja who else is playing?
58:44 <Mekkis> check the website
59:06 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/schedule.php5?id=196
59:09 <spider21b2> ok ok hold on
59:31 <spider21b2> it says levels but not classes
59:55 <spider21b2> i guess we will find out when we play
00:16 <Choupon> i'd like to see how this works maybe join in the future, are the character generation rules on the site?
02:19 <spider21b2> offical pathfinder rules i figure
02:47 <Mekkis> ?guide
02:48 <diebot> Mekkis, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
02:53 <Mekkis> those rules
02:58 <Choupon> neat.
06:05 <Choupon> i shall endeavor to read it and generate a character
07:55 <Choupon> aww yeah. tengu for sure. tengu oracle? that sounds cool
12:30 <spider21b2> very cool
13:29 <Choupon> tengu oracle with tongues has merit as adding racial flavor
23:19 <Choupon> well, goodnight/goodmorning you guys. i gotta get some rest, busy day ahead of me ill try to idle around here. seems like a chill place
23:26 <spider21b2> nods
23:29 <spider21b2> see you laters then
25:28 <Choupon|Idle> one question
25:46 <Choupon|Idle> can you apply touch effects to a natural weapon?
26:26 <Choupon|Idle> bite someone to cast vampiric grasp on them, that sort of thing
26:31 <Mekkis> not normally
27:36 <Choupon|Idle> i bet it would be cool to describe the casting of the spell and the ensuing touch attack like that though. ahh well
27:38 <Choupon|Idle> see you later
29:59 <spider21b2> just you and me hum mekkis?
30:09 <Mekkis> what?
30:35 <spider21b2> just the two of us
30:40 <spider21b2> anyway brb
11:04 <Brunius> Woot woot
11:09 <Brunius> Not kingdom webwright
11:15 <Brunius> Although I have been offered the deputy position
15:31 <spider21b2> back
15:37 <spider21b2> how is everyone
15:38 <spider21b2> ?
45:11 <Mekkis> what?
10:47 <spider21b2> huh?
33:25 <spider21b2> hey trunius
33:30 <spider21b2> brunius
34:11 <Brunius> spider21b2 
37:18 <Avatar> what is the story with your nickname spider
37:21 <Avatar> 21b2
05:26 <Mekkis> has Ballig made an appearance yet?
05:36 <Mekkis> Brunius: you playing tomorrow?
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07:59 <Mekkis> looks like the ACT basketball team is on the plane with me...
20:34 <Brunius> I've played tide of twilight
04:08 <Mekkis> fixed a memory leak in CA, and improved the UI slightly
04:48 <Mekkis> I suppose Sat 19's a good day for WotW...
05:03 <Mekkis> txtsd still around?
01:18 <Avatar> there's a sale on scenarios
02:02 <Avatar> among other things
02:04 <Avatar> 30% off
32:00 <Mekkis> ohno
34:25 <Avatar> what
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00:39 <spider21b> hi
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09:56 <Thanatos> hello there, anyone alive?
10:57 <Mekkis> I am alive
10:59 <Mekkis> probably
11:15 <Thanatos> thats good to know
11:48 <Thanatos> i hear this is a good place to talk about pathfinder/d&d
13:50 <Mekkis> from where? :P
13:56 <Thanatos> i figure i might just make myself a regular here
14:01 <Thanatos> i hear it from... let me check
14:16 <Mekkis> not that I have a problem with it or anything
14:21 <Thanatos> google :P
14:30 <Mekkis> people here do talk about pathfinder and D&D here...
14:36 <Mekkis> so it is accurate :)
14:46 <Thanatos> haha
15:12 <Thanatos> im just wondering if people run games in here, or just chat about experiences and ask questions and such
15:19 <Thanatos> he said in the form of a statement
16:09 <Mekkis> we play games in here
16:13 <Mekkis> and discuss things
16:25 <Thanatos> good to know, good to know.
16:26 <spider21b> yep
16:30 <spider21b> i am back btw
16:43 <spider21b> we still on for the game tommrow?
16:47 <Mekkis> should be
17:28 <Thanatos> well maybe you guys can help me find an interesting solution to the pathfinder campaign im gming
17:41 <Thanatos> if you dont mind giving your input
18:51 <Mekkis> always happy to help
19:07 <Mekkis> except when I'm at work, obviously
20:34 <Thanatos> i have a player who is becoming an issue, they are playing a half orc and we were running around in an ORCISH city as spies; and now that we have come back to human lands, they decided to fight in the war against the orcs no problems with that. but right after the battle, the half orc barbarian decided to sit in the middle of the bloody corpse filled battlefield and meditate.
20:51 <Thanatos> now the city is celebrating the victory the PC's enabled.
20:57 <Thanatos> and the soldiers are all drinking their victory
21:26 <Mekkis> seems in-character really
21:27 <Thanatos> and understandably a group of liquored up grunts walks over and starts being racist
21:32 <Thanatos> my problem
21:57 <Thanatos> is that they seem to be under the impression that the humans being racist against orcs is a personal attack against them
22:03 <Thanatos> from me (gm)
22:19 <Mekkis> ah
22:24 <Thanatos> like the other time they were in the same human city and a guardsman saw a group of orcs/half orcs walking down the street
22:31 <Thanatos> as the city is under siege.... from orcs
22:32 <Mekkis> a personal attack against the player, or against the character?
22:39 <Thanatos> either/both
23:07 <Thanatos> they earned a great reward from the lord of the city, AND the old wizardess whos life they saved
23:18 <Thanatos> now, everyone else got sort of 'meh' rewards that they asked for
23:34 <Thanatos> bard gets a charisma cape, thief wizard wants access to her library, no problem
23:54 <Thanatos> but the barbarian that already deals 3x more damage than everyone else in the group asked for.... 
23:57 <Thanatos> something to give them more damage
24:19 <Thanatos> and the wizard told them they didnt have anything like that, they are an old woman. she doesnt have magical weapons
24:20 <Mekkis> The barbarian's the half-orc in question?
24:23 <Thanatos> yes
24:30 <Thanatos> my real issue is this
24:43 <Thanatos> the reward that they got, was ten times more valuble than what anyone else got
25:01 <Thanatos> the wizard is from a long line of wizards and i made it a point to make them feel GOOD about their reward
25:08 <Thanatos> she got a ring of protection +2
25:19 <Thanatos> that has been in the family for 700 years
25:26 <Thanatos> and is a relic of extreme power yada yada
25:35 <Thanatos> the barbarians ac is 14 when raging
25:50 <Thanatos> we are about to fight more powerful foes (with a BAB equal> to their own)
26:14 <Thanatos> and they got really upset about the ongoing racism, AND that they didnt get their damage
26:25 <Thanatos> to the point where they just threw the ring away out of pissiness
26:42 <spider21b> well then, as an idea
26:44 <Thanatos> i want to talk to them about it because this is a game about FUN, and i want all my players to have fun
26:58 <spider21b> why not have them have a peace treaty with the orcs and have them work with them?
27:12 <Thanatos> and the barbarian in question was an inch from death when they just pulled their sword and attacked the 10+ drunk soldiers
27:17 <spider21b> since they are soo worried about there allies feeling
27:22 <Thanatos> (-1 hp, saved by party)
27:25 <spider21b> nice
27:34 <Thanatos> i mean, it was IC
27:38 <spider21b> nods
27:47 <Thanatos> but the player is starting to think im like
27:54 <Mekkis> I'd start by explaining that it's quite reasonable for there to be a bunch of people who are racist against their race, emphasise that you don't have anything against the player. Accept that a violent reaction to such in-character racism could happen.
27:58 <Thanatos> using my gm powers to single them out to slight her
28:08 <Thanatos> yeah i tried that the first time, and the second time
28:27 <Thanatos> but they are just not understanding that im just playing the soldiers the way they go, and the town guards
28:37 <Thanatos> their reaction to the guards was
28:43 <Thanatos> 'i keep walking and glare at them'
29:02 <Thanatos> guards pull out their spears and bar them from going forward, ask with authority "who are you and what are you doing here"
29:18 <Thanatos> 'i grab his spear and push it out of the way; and keep walking'
29:27 <Thanatos> obviously the guard puts his spear into them...
29:40 <Thanatos> but i dont think they understand that im not being a dick. im just being reasonable
29:49 <Mekkis> Secondly, I'm not entirely sure what sort of level you're at, but when you're dealing with a barbarian (in 3.5e/Pathfinder), the difference between 14AC and 16AC is irrelevant.
30:00 <Mekkis> at mid-high levels
30:05 <Thanatos> 6-7
30:20 <Mekkis> what sort of attack bonus to the foes have?
30:28 <Thanatos> so FAR
30:33 <Thanatos> its been 4 max
30:41 <Mekkis> seriously?
30:45 <Thanatos> nearly
30:56 <Thanatos> all the ones with higher bab have dealt them SERIOUS damage
30:57 <Mekkis> not BAB, total attack bonus
31:05 <Thanatos> 7-9
31:08 <Thanatos> so FAR
31:15 <Thanatos> but the real issue ive got is this:
31:21 <Thanatos> i can sort of deal with our barb
31:27 <Thanatos> but this is a campaign i picked up
31:33 <Thanatos> from a friend who moved away
31:37 <Mekkis> ah
31:37 <Thanatos> which i was a player in
31:45 <Thanatos> i was the party druid
31:54 <Mekkis> I see where this is going
31:55 <Thanatos> aka, offtank/offdamage/healer/utility
32:04 <Thanatos> and i cant have him be a PLAYER npc
32:15 <Thanatos> he is going to leave and they are going to die
32:20 <Thanatos> basically
32:32 <Mekkis> I'd let a PC take leadership and give him to them
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32:39 <Thanatos> yes, absolutely
32:44 <spider21b2> hey sorry i got disconnected
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32:49 <spider21b2> what happend?
32:51 <Thanatos> but he was the only mitigating factor in the group almost
32:56 <Thanatos> i was talking about my campaign
33:09 <spider21b2> i got that
33:12 <Thanatos> and the issues im having taking over this game as gm, when i was a player playing a druid
33:29 <spider21b2> was the druid the orc?
33:30 <Mekkis> secondly: the barbarian's damage. How many swings does it take for him to down the average enemy?
33:32 <Thanatos> who was the sole healing, basically the only spellcaster
33:34 <Thanatos> heh
33:39 <Thanatos> WAY too much almost
33:51 <Thanatos> +10 damage when raging, + weapon
33:55 <spider21b2> hum,
33:57 <Thanatos> oops, +11
33:57 <Mekkis> no, I mean...
34:01 <Mekkis> How many swings does it take for him to down the average enemy?
34:09 <spider21b2> i mean, they could get potions and stuff for them selves
34:11 <Thanatos> the enemies so far, 1-2 max
34:19 <spider21b2> and not use the  druid as a heal bot
34:20 <Thanatos> yeah, thats a good idea.
34:35 <Thanatos> druid can just make them some starter potions (took craft potion at 3 for this reason)
35:01 <Mekkis> as I see it, two turns to down a standard enemy, three or four to deal with a boss is reasonable
35:04 <Thanatos> the actual powerful foes they faced have beat them down seriously, and then the barb surrenderd
35:04 <spider21b2> i mean what level are they
35:08 <Thanatos> 6-7
35:34 <spider21b2> i mean if your playing 3.5 vs pathfinder there is a big differance on how many actions it takes to take down enemies
35:42 <Thanatos> PF
35:45 <spider21b2> oh if your doing 6-7 i have a generator for you
35:51 <spider21b2> gotcha hold on
36:00 <Mekkis> how many PCs?
36:21 <spider21b2> http://donjon.bin.sh/pathfinder/encounter/
36:38 <Thanatos> mmmm donjon
36:40 <Thanatos> we have 3 pcs
36:47 <Thanatos> and i dont want to have a TPK
36:57 <Thanatos> they wanted to make another one each, i dont see an issue
37:06 <Mekkis> what are they?
37:07 <Thanatos> start them a bit lower, dont have them play them at the same time basically
37:10 <Thanatos> heh
37:31 <Mekkis> and how much system mastery do the players have?
37:34 <Thanatos> well when everyone made their characters it was me(druid) the barb, the bard
37:39 <Thanatos> and we added another player
37:48 <Thanatos> for party balance they decided on thief/wizard
37:58 <Thanatos> then our gm moved, and i took over
38:10 <Thanatos> and now our party is kind of unbalanced
38:33 <spider21b2> hum
38:50 <spider21b2> have you tried getting them to pay for a bard or a cleric to help?
38:52 <Mekkis> how much forward-planning have you done?
39:06 <Mekkis> are you running a published adventure?
39:20 <Thanatos> ive done a fair bit
39:31 <Thanatos> we are sort of running several published ones
39:40 <Mekkis> ah
39:41 <Thanatos> almost mishmashed together but in a very cohesive way
40:01 <Thanatos> mostly converting 2e to 3.5e to PF
40:01 <Mekkis> I'm not claiming to be an awesome GM, but here's what I would do:
40:04 <Thanatos> which is no problem
40:34 <Thanatos> and the world we are set in is the pathfinder realm thingy, so theres a world i can slot it all into
40:49 <Mekkis> Ask each player what their intentions with their PCs is, and get a copy of their character sheets.
41:15 <Thanatos> our gm started the campaign with the intent of holding onto all the sheets
41:28 <Thanatos> so we have kept that up, i collect them at the end of the session
42:19 <Mekkis> Work out what sort of adjustment (be it gear or houseruled abilities) is required to bring them to being able to handle the encounters that you're planning, and run a session or two so that they get what's required ingame.
42:39 <Thanatos> i asked them all when i took over, what their intentions are, what their motivations are, what kind of adventures would they like to see
43:12 <Mekkis> I'd also ask the out-of-character question of "what do you see your character doing"
43:27 <Thanatos> thats a good one, 1 sec im going to write this stuff down
43:47 <Mekkis> I mean, as a barbarian, I probably would rather a cloak of displacement rather than a ring of protection
44:30 <Thanatos> true, but the thing is haha
44:35 <Thanatos> the loot for the next encounter
44:40 <Thanatos> IS a cloak of displacement
44:49 <Thanatos> so i couldnt give them one now
45:04 <Mekkis> I get the impression that the PCs are underpowered for at-level enemies
45:06 <Mekkis> sure you could
45:10 <Thanatos> idk, hopefully they dont get turned to stone in the first 2 rounds
45:18 <Thanatos> i mean, magic swords, magic bows
45:20 <Mekkis> no reason why you can't switch loots around :)
45:25 <Thanatos> true story
46:03 <Thanatos> oh i just had a good idea
46:21 <Thanatos> im going to take those questions you suggested and write them on index cards
46:30 <Thanatos> and before the next session starts ill ask them to fill them out
47:23 <spider21b2> also is your game comedy or serious tone?
47:53 <Thanatos> bit of both, the main module we are running is a series of 8 separate encounters from levels 1-14
48:02 <Thanatos> meant to be spaced out in a persistent campaign
48:10 <spider21b2> gotcha
48:23 <spider21b2> is it in person or a skype game?
48:27 <Thanatos> in person
48:38 <Mekkis> I mean, bard, barbarian and rogue/wizard isn't a horrible party mix - I'd ensure that there are sufficient consumable magic items (scrolls of Cure serious wounds, wands of cure light, etc) for the bard (and the rogue, I guess) to keep the party standing...
49:11 <Mekkis> but at the end of the day, if the barbarian ISN'T doing the majority of damage (3x the other members is pretty reasonable) then something might be amiss.
49:13 <Thanatos> that was a large part of the reward for the last quest actually. ive been trying to phase out my old pc character as a healer/supporter
49:20 <Thanatos> makes sense
49:30 <Mekkis> are the other party members having issues with the barbarian hogging the spotlight?
49:38 <Thanatos> not that ive noticed
49:48 <Thanatos> but its like, when something doesnt go their way
49:57 <Thanatos> they shut down at the table
50:09 <Thanatos> i want to make the game fun for everyone you know?
51:21 <Mekkis> have you spoken to the player about this?
51:23 <spider21b2> nods
51:27 <Thanatos> at least once
51:43 <Mekkis> what was the response?
52:09 <Thanatos> reasonable, but with no followthrough
52:30 <Thanatos> unfortunately most of the issues ive had i can fingerpoint our old dm
52:37 <Thanatos> he misread cleave/greatcleave
53:18 <Thanatos> and we had to end a session mid combat because they wanted A: to hit with both ends of a double axe, great cleave with both ends,
53:28 <Thanatos> B: would not listen to a word i said
53:30 <Thanatos> and kept saying
53:44 <Thanatos> "Look you dont get it, its a DOUBLE-AXE, theres an axe on each end"
54:14 <Thanatos> its kind of frustrating when you say i get it, i really do. look at this page of this book im holding up to you and read THIS section right here
55:07 <Thanatos> and eventually they look it up on their own, and claimed i was still wrong in some way
55:27 <Thanatos> idk, its like everything i do as GM that negatively affects their character is taken as a personal slight
55:41 <Thanatos> like they CANNOT be wrong. 
56:23 <Thanatos> also, they take absolutely forever to decide on anything, constantly on their cell phone at the table making us all recap, 
56:37 <Thanatos> on and on and on
57:01 <Thanatos> idk, i plan on having a polite chat with them next time i see them
57:18 <Thanatos> but i figured i would try and get some feedback from other people not involved in the campaign
57:40 <Thanatos> as to a good course of action i can take to rebalance the game 
57:51 <Thanatos> and bring everyone back to everyone has fun
01:36 <spider21b2> brb
21:57 <spider21b2> back
29:16 <Thanatos> wb
33:38 <spider21b2> thanks going to do some stuff if you need me i will be out
34:08 <Thanatos> hf
35:47 <spider21b2> btw thoughts and ideas for this charater?
35:52 <spider21b2> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=969
36:19 <spider21b2> i was thinking of a western guy from taldor, gets sick and tired of his life and becomes a ninja!
37:41 <Thanatos> lol nice
38:10 <spider21b2> his name is Danny "smoke-bomb" johnson the 4th with a very 1985 vib
38:13 <Mekkis> seems like a thing
38:26 <spider21b2> a thing?
39:51 <spider21b2>  so mekkis who is playing tommrow for sure?
40:04 <Mekkis> hopefully, everyone who's signed up
40:23 <Thanatos> now, when you say PFS: Sun 13th 10am (1-5)... what time zone? and would you mind if i sort of hung around and got a feel for your game?
40:57 <Mekkis> AEST
41:05 <Mekkis> and feel free to hang around
41:06 <spider21b2> its really 5 pm for pst
41:26 <Thanatos> oh cool.
43:08 <Thanatos> so its like GMT +10?
44:16 <Mekkis> yeah
45:19 <spider21b2> hey mekkis any one sign up offically yet?
45:36 <Thanatos> sweet, EST is gmt -5.. so its like +5? 15:00 hours? let me double check
45:37 <Mekkis> yes - check the site
45:58 <Mekkis> Thanatos, it's starting at 0000 UTC.
46:05 <Mekkis> So in EST, it would be 1900
46:07 <Thanatos> derp
46:09 <Thanatos> yeah
46:49 <spider21b2> xd
46:49 <Thanatos> wait, this probably means it would still be saturday. at 8pm
46:54 <Thanatos> tomorrow for you
47:20 <spider21b2> for me it will be saturday 2 since i live in sf
47:26 <spider21b2> but at 5 pm 
47:32 <spider21b2> its all based on where you are
47:39 <Thanatos> yup. 8pm saturday
47:57 <Thanatos> shame, totally cant make it. 0 chance. but ill still idle and check my logs
48:20 <Thanatos> ahhhh, what a global world we live in
48:52 <spider21b2> yep
50:03 Thanatos is now known as Choupon
50:58 <spider21b2> anyway mekkis, so we got a ninja who else is playing?
51:27 <Mekkis> check the website
51:50 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/schedule.php5?id=196
51:54 <spider21b2> ok ok hold on
52:16 <spider21b2> it says levels but not classes
52:40 <spider21b2> i guess we will find out when we play
53:01 <Choupon> i'd like to see how this works maybe join in the future, are the character generation rules on the site?
55:04 <spider21b2> offical pathfinder rules i figure
55:31 <Mekkis> ?guide
55:32 <diebot> Mekkis, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
55:37 <Mekkis> those rules
55:42 <Choupon> neat.
58:50 <Choupon> i shall endeavor to read it and generate a character
00:39 <Choupon> aww yeah. tengu for sure. tengu oracle? that sounds cool
05:14 <spider21b2> very cool
06:13 <Choupon> tengu oracle with tongues has merit as adding racial flavor
16:03 <Choupon> well, goodnight/goodmorning you guys. i gotta get some rest, busy day ahead of me ill try to idle around here. seems like a chill place
16:11 <spider21b2> nods
16:11 Choupon is now known as Choupon|Idle
16:14 <spider21b2> see you laters then
18:12 <Choupon|Idle> one question
18:30 <Choupon|Idle> can you apply touch effects to a natural weapon?
19:10 <Choupon|Idle> bite someone to cast vampiric grasp on them, that sort of thing
19:15 <Mekkis> not normally
20:20 <Choupon|Idle> i bet it would be cool to describe the casting of the spell and the ensuing touch attack like that though. ahh well
20:22 <Choupon|Idle> see you later
22:43 <spider21b2> just you and me hum mekkis?
22:52 <Mekkis> what?
23:19 <spider21b2> just the two of us
23:24 <spider21b2> anyway brb
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03:48 <Brunius> Woot woot
03:53 <Brunius> Not kingdom webwright
03:59 <Brunius> Although I have been offered the deputy position
08:15 <spider21b2> back
08:21 <spider21b2> how is everyone
08:22 <spider21b2> ?
37:55 <Mekkis> what?
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56:55 <Mekkis> and I'm back
57:33 <Mekkis> Brunius, what does a deputy kingdom webwright do?
58:04 <Brunius>  idk
58:39 <Mekkis> what does a kingdom webwright do?
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47:57 <iamthefighter> hello
48:41 <iamthefighter> hi
48:48 <iamthefighter> is anyone here
48:55 <iamthefighter> hello
49:00 <iamthefighter> i am lonely
52:36 <Mekkis> hi'
52:46 <iamthefighter> i have a game tommorw
52:59 <iamthefighter> i have downloaded the combat assistant
53:00 <Mekkis> you have signed up for one, yes
53:10 <Mekkis> cool
53:16 <Mekkis> You have skype, I guess?
53:17 <iamthefighter> can i just use mibbit i have skype
53:36 <iamthefighter> i cant be bothered to download the other one
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