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10:40 <dames> yo what's d&d?
11:41 <Steven> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=D%26D
16:50 <Brunius> `op
17:00 <Brunius> `op
18:49 <Mekkis> test failed
23:02 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20
23:02 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20: [1d20=3] 3
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40:37 <Bulletsponge95> anyone there?
52:33 <bby2000> Hello
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40:33 <Avatar> I considered that ulzef
41:21 <Avatar> I've got no interest in travelling just for pathfinder, but to have a look around the place as well might be worth it
41:27 <Avatar> how much did the flights cost exactly
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56:10 <spider21b> hi
05:26 <Avatar> just received a product in the mail from paizo that I have no recollection of ordering
06:58 <Avatar> emerald spire minis!
07:00 <Avatar> well this is something
10:04 <Avatar> impressive packaging
10:10 <Avatar> mostly cushioned by air by the looks
11:37 <Ulzef> bout 300 return
12:11 <Brunius> kickstarter maybe?
12:15 <Brunius> or in that big sale?
12:22 <Avatar> kickstarter
12:28 <Avatar> it's a pretty damn sweet deal for $5
12:32 <Avatar> I only expected to get the boon
16:31 <Avatar> pretty damn good
16:37 <Avatar> for how long and when is it?
19:53 <Ulzef> sep  and the con is 3 days
24:05 <Mekkis> painted?
24:17 <Avatar> yeah
24:21 <Avatar> the reaper isn't painted
24:48 <Avatar> that's the only one that's in its own proper packaging
24:55 <Avatar> like regular unpainted minis
25:38 <Avatar> 10 painted minis though, fuck yeah
26:31 <Mekkis> Avatar, when were you told about Paizoconoz (Waypoint?)
26:53 <Brunius> I saw something about it when Alistair posted it on facebook
27:05 <Mekkis> how long ago was that?
27:12 <Avatar> it was on the facebook group
27:15 <Brunius> looking for the post
27:23 <Avatar> is that the NZ one
27:27 <Mekkis> yeah
27:32 <Avatar> few weeks ago
27:50 <Mekkis> yay
28:02 <Avatar> mate you don't get onto social media you miss out
28:14 <Brunius> didn't kapow tell you anyway
28:15 <Avatar> the facebook groups are very active
28:27 <Mekkis> My Esteemed venture captain sent us an email about it - the day after the early registration date has expired.
28:51 <Avatar> did you email mike brock
29:08 <Mekkis> not yet. I have a part-written email
29:57 <Avatar> I want to jokingly refer to him as my good mate mike but he has never really done anything to help me whenever I've gone to him
30:10 <Avatar> so that feels a bit misleading
30:41 <Avatar> in his defence, he did ban the synthesist
31:24 <Brunius> I'm sure we can bitch about how long it took
32:42 <Mekkis> Sure. He's done some good things. What he hasn't done is corrected any of the problems we specifically came with
33:00 <s_gmusic> blarg
33:35 <s_gmusic> I need a concept for a character to run in Rise of the Runelords starting tomorrow. Restrictions are 20pt buy, hardback books only, no Uncommon races.
37:47 <Avatar> the synthesist was a problem
40:41 <Brunius> Elvish Alchemist
44:18 <s_gmusic> hm... haven't played an elf before. just texted the GM and he said no Alchemist, Gunslinger, or Summoner. That's extended to no Gun-based archetypes as well.
47:21 <Brunius>     
47:34 <Avatar> what's his problem with gunslingers
47:41 <Avatar> the best class ever ?
47:50 <Brunius> you should know his problem with gunslingers, Avatar
47:58 <Avatar> just don't optimise and you'll be fine
48:02 <Avatar> misfire 1-3
51:09 <Mekkis> yeah, but we didn;t specifically contact him with regards to htat
58:15 <Avatar> messageboards are the best means of getting things done it seems
05:38 <mike1> selling my alienware m14x r2$600, asus g750jh gaming laptop$600 and 2012 macbook pro $600. if youre interested let me know. great prices! text me at 204-808-0506 - shipping included in all prices!
08:19 <mike1> selling my alienware m14x r2$600, asus g750jh gaming laptop$600 and 2012 macbook pro $600. if youre interested let me know. great prices! text me at 204-808-0506 - shipping included in all prices!
15:00 <mike1> selling my alienware m14x r2$600, asus g750jh gaming laptop$600 and 2012 macbook pro $600. if youre interested let me know. great prices! text me at 204-808-0506 - shipping included in all prices!
30:03 <mike1> selling my alienware m14x r2$600, asus g750jh gaming laptop$600 and 2012 macbook pro $600. if youre interested let me know. great prices! text me at 204-808-0506 - shipping included in all prices!
30:11 <Tyser> Avatar, Mekkis
39:35 <Mekkis> !rng jereko dave spud
39:36 <diebot> Mekkis, jereko
45:12 <mib_bbbqas> hey =)
45:47 <mib_bbbqas> =/
58:24 <Mekkis> !spell recoil fire
58:39 <Mekkis> yo Brunius 
58:41 <diebot> Mekkis, RECOIL FIRE transmutation ([]) sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) 1 firearm Comp: V, S, M (hoof shavings from a mule) Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (object) SR:yes (object)Source: Ultimate Combat
58:42 <diebot> The target firearm suddenly fires of its own volition, even if it is unloaded, generating a recoil so great that the wielder or carrier of the firearm must scramble to hold onto it and becomes flat-footed until the start of his next turn. If the wielder is already flat-footed, he is instead knocked prone. If the firearm was loaded, that ammunition
58:42 <diebot> is wasted.
58:47 <Brunius> yo Mekkis
59:08 <Steven> yo guys
59:16 <Brunius> Fuck off Steven <3
59:25 <Brunius> <<<3
59:40 <Steven> </3
59:42 <Mekkis> €>
59:49 <Mekkis> €> $
59:52 <Brunius> Man look at this cool kid
59:58 <Brunius> with his euros
00:14 <Mekkis> been working on CA netcode
00:30 <Mekkis> maybe I'll be able to get a version out for you guys to try it.
00:43 <Mekkis> Ummm... got linux available - with Qt4.7?
00:50 <Brunius> Not easily
01:23 <Steven> had to restart my browser.
01:25 <Steven> so what up guys.
01:27 <Mekkis> !spell Haunting Mists
01:28 <diebot> Mekkis, HAUNTING MISTS illusion (figment[fear, shadow]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: 20 ft.  Comp: V, S Duration: 1 minute/level (D) Save: Will partial (see text) SR:noSource: Ultimate Magic
01:28 <diebot> An illusion of misty vapor inhabited by shadowy shapes arises around you. It is stationary. The illusory mist obscures all sight, including darkvision, beyond 5 feet. A creature 5 feet away has concealment (attacks have a 20% miss chance). Creatures farther away have total concealment (50% miss chance, and the attacker cannot use sight to locate
01:29 <diebot> the target). All creatures within the mist must save or take 1d2 points of Wisdom damage and gain the shaken condition. The shaken condition lasts as long as the creature remains in the mist.
03:55 <Steven> I hooked up my AC unit... house so cool.
08:33 <Steven> so i ran into goya and his girl at Paizocon this year.
08:55 <Steven> they sat down at the last table of The Confirmation i was running.
09:07 <Steven> I was so damn tired i dont think i gave the best showing i could have.
09:31 <Steven> from thursday to sunday i think i got 9 hours of sleep.
10:44 <Mekkis> !spell fury of the sun
10:44 <diebot> Mekkis, FURY OF THE SUN transmutation ([curse, fire]) druid 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S Duration: 10 minutes/level Save: Fortitude negates SR:yesSource: Advanced Race Guide
10:45 <diebot> You curse the target to suffer unbearable heat. On a failed saving throw, the target is immediately subjected to severe heat (Core Rulebook 444), takes 1d4 points of nonlethal damage, and is suffering from heatstroke (fatigued). The target must save every 10 minutes as normal for severe heat (starting at DC 15 rather than the DC of this spell).
10:45 <diebot> Because this heat is internal, the target cannot avoid it using the normal methods for escaping heat dangers such as Survival checks or finding shade.
10:52 <Mekkis> !spell hidden speech
10:53 <diebot> Mekkis, HIDDEN SPEECH transmutation ([language-dependent]) bard 2, inquisitor 3, witch 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) you plus one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, M/DF (a cipher written on a piece of parchment) Duration: 10 minutes/level (D) Save: Will negates (harmless)
10:53 <diebot> SR:yesSource: APG
10:53 <diebot> You greatly enhance the ability of the subjects to communicate hidden messages to each other. Each target gains a +10 competence bonus on Bluff checks to send secret message to other recipients. Others using opposed Sense Motive checks to decipher these messages receive a -5 penalty. All subjects affected by the spell must share a language to be
10:53 <diebot> able to pass messages.
11:09 <Mekkis> !spell death candle
11:10 <diebot> Mekkis, DEATH CANDLE necromancy ([death, evil, fire]) antipaladin 1, cleric 2, inquisitor 2, witch 2 1 round Range:   Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous/1 round per HD of subject; see text Save: Fortitude negates SR:yesSource: Advanced Race Guide
11:10 <diebot> This spell functions like death knell, except instead of using the slain target's life energy to enhance yourself, you use it to summon a Small fire elemental resembling a burning, howling version of the slain creature. The elemental acts immediately on your turn and otherwise behaves as if you had summoned it with summon monster II. The elemental
11:10 <diebot> remains for a number of rounds equal to the Hit Dice of the slain creature.
11:47 <Mekkis> !spell c
11:48 <diebot> Mekkis, AID enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) cleric 2, inquisitor 2, alchemist 2 1 standard action Range: touch living creature touched Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 min./level Save: none SR:yes (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
11:48 <diebot> Aid grants the target a +1 morale bonus on attack rolls and saves against fear effects, plus temporary hit points equal to 1d8 + caster level (to a maximum of 1d8+10 temporary hit points at caster level 10th).
11:52 <Mekkis> !spell embrace destiny
11:53 <diebot> Mekkis, EMBRACE DESTINY divination ([]) oracle 1, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: 1 round/level (see text) Save:  SR:Source: Lost Kingdoms
11:53 <diebot> Upon completing this spell, roll a single d20 and record the result. At any point during the duration of this spell, you may use that roll for a single ability check, attack roll, initiative check, saving throw, or skill check, using the recorded result in place of a roll. This spell cannot be used to replace a roll that has already been made; the
11:53 <diebot> recorded result must be used instead of a roll. Once you have used this recorded result or the duration of the spell ends, the spell's effect ends. You can't have more than one instance of embrace destiny active on you at the same time.
14:33 <Steven> so, i was GMing a game
14:46 <Steven> and found a fairly shitty encounter
15:02 <Mekkis> okay, Brunius: I'll see if I can get a windows build environment up and running
16:20 <Steven> Subtier 1–2 (CR 3) HATEFUL SPIRIT  CR 3 Advanced poltergeist (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 211, 292) Subtier 3–4 (CR 5) HATEFUL SPIRITS (2)  CR 3 Advanced poltergeist (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 211, 292)
16:36 <Mekkis> !spell Commune With Birds
16:38 <diebot> Mekkis, COMMUNE WITH BIRDS divination ([]) bard 2, druid 1, ranger 1, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: 10 minutes; see text Save:  SR:Source: Advanced Race Guide
16:38 <diebot> You utter a question in the form of a low-pitched bird call that can be heard up to a mile away, and can understand the responses given by birds in the area. Over the next 10 minutes, the birds reply as if you had asked them the question using speak with animals, giving you a general consensus answer to the question based on their knowledge. For
16:39 <diebot> example, you could ask if there is drinkable water in the area, the location of predators or other creatures, directions to a mountaintop or other natural feature, and so on, and the local bird communities would answer to the best of their ability. If there are no birds in range, the spell has no effect and you do not get a response. Any creature
16:39 <diebot> using speak with animals (or a similar ability) who hears this bird call can understand your question, though it may not be able to reply in a way you can hear.
17:08 <Mekkis> !spell lipstich
17:10 <diebot> Mekkis, LIPSTITCH necromancy ([]) sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: S, M (a bone needle and sinew thread) Duration: instantaneous Save: Fortitude negates SR:yesSource: Pathfinder Society Field Guide
17:11 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/lipstitch.html
17:15 <Steven> so.... level 1-2 dealing with 1 naturally invisible incorporeal creature and level 3-4 dealing with two of them.
17:27 <Steven> pretty shitty... imo.
17:49 <Avatar> Steven: if you were in oz you would need to hook up any such AC unit
17:56 <Avatar> you would not* need
18:37 <Brunius> damn right
18:40 <Steven> no, i'd just need to perform an hourly sweep of my habitat to insure any one of the hundred different poisonous creature wasnt in the room.
18:55 <Brunius> i don't think I've ever seen a poisonous creature
19:25 <Steven> for me, mostly spiders.
19:46 <Steven> I will never go to Australia
20:02 <Avatar> that's just the bad marketing man
20:06 <Avatar> you never see those spiders
20:14 <Avatar> unless you are in the bush
20:17 <Avatar> brunius might see them
20:55 <Avatar> he has a sword though so he is set to defend himself
21:15 <Brunius> what made you think I have a sword
21:22 <Avatar> don't you have a sword
21:27 <Brunius> no?
21:27 <Avatar> what weapon do you have
21:33 <Brunius> two bows
21:37 <Steven> I dont want to go to australia though... your toilets dont drain right.
21:41 <Avatar> fuckin' marksmenship right there
21:47 <Mekkis> !spell severed fate
21:48 <diebot> Mekkis, SEVERED FATE enchantment ([]) cleric 3, witch 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one living creature Comp: V, S Duration: 10 minutes/level Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: APG
21:48 <diebot> You curse the target, preventing it from drawing upon the powers of destiny. The target is shaken and cannot use hero points for the duration of the spell. This effect can be removed by dispel magic, remove curse, or other similar effects.
21:52 <Avatar> the toilets drain right man
22:06 <Brunius> there are also several crossbow components in my house, which are not illegal to own
22:14 <Brunius> however assembled crossbow is illegal to own
22:22 <Brunius> an assembled*
22:34 <Avatar> probably not illegal in the use of killing a spider
22:45 <Brunius> i HAVE RETURNED
22:48 <Brunius> also caps
22:50 <Mekkis> !spell silk to steel
22:51 <diebot> Mekkis, SILK TO STEEL transmutation ([]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: touch one scarf Comp: V, S Duration: 1 round/level Save: none SR:noSource: Ultimate Magic
22:51 <diebot> You imbue an ordinary scarf (or similar piece of clothing) with the strength of steel without altering its weight or flexibility. Each round on your turn, you can decide to use the scarf to defend yourself (gaining a +2 shield bonus to your Armor Class) or to attack as if the scarf were a whip.
22:53 <Avatar> just a guess, I am no legal expert
23:08 <Brunius> uh huh uh huh
23:29 <Steven> no avatar... they dont make the swirly in the right direction.
24:41 <Brunius> >implying there's a 'right' direction
24:54 <Avatar> they do swirly in the right direction
25:02 <Brunius> there is no right direction
25:06 <Brunius> it's effectively random
25:25 <Brunius> !rng clockwise counterclockwise
25:25 <diebot> Brunius, clockwise
25:43 <Brunius> that has more bearing on which way the toiler will drain than the hemisphere I live in
25:47 <Brunius> toilet even
27:13 <Mekkis> !spell Eldritch Conduit
27:14 <diebot> Mekkis, ELDRITCH CONDUIT transmutation ([]) sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, M (a small mirror) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: Inner Sea Magic
27:14 <diebot> Originally created by a disciple of the archwizard Nex, this spell was used to turn enemy soldiers in Geb's undead armies into conduits capable of blasting spell energy back into the far reaches of the Gebite lines. Since then, it has become a favorite among arcane casters with an understanding of battlefield tactics. If the target of this spell
27:14 <diebot> fails to resist its effects with a Will save, he becomes outlined in faint radiance, as if via faerie fire. At any time before the eldritch conduit expires, you may cast another spell with an area effect of cone, cylinder, line, or sphere and use the subject of the eldritch conduit as the point of origin for that spell. Doing so ends the spell
27:14 <diebot> immediately. The target must be within close range (25 feet + 5 feet/2 levels) in order for you to use the conduit-if the target moves out of range, the eldritch conduit effect persists but cannot be utilized by you until you get back within range.
27:39 <Steven> mostly though... i cant afford the ticket to go down there or i probably would come visit.
28:46 <Steven> so anyways
28:55 <Steven> what you guys think about that fight? pretty shitty?
29:12 <Brunius> you've played darkest vengeance right
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30:03 <Avatar> sounds like you were running illegal levels in confirmation
30:23 <Steven> yes, but pointing at a shitty fight and saying they've made shitty fights before doesnt justify throwing 1-2s or 3-4s at naturally invisible incorporeal creatures.
30:36 <Steven> It was at a different table.
30:58 <Avatar> I really hate the trend of killer scenarios coming out
31:06 <Avatar> higher frequency than what they used to be
31:15 <Avatar> sounds like it's due to the powergamers 
31:16 <Brunius> oh I'm not saying it justifies it
31:27 <Avatar> why build ridiculous builds :(
31:28 <Brunius> I was gonna say that's likely to be an accurate measure of how we feel about it
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31:41 <Steven> i would say thats spot on then brunius.
31:49 <Avatar> I never heard back about whether the next special has 4-player scaling, which suggests it likely doesn't
32:02 <Brunius> fuuuuuck
32:06 <Avatar> did you guys hear that qadira and sczarni are going to combine
32:19 <Steven> yes, they released a blog about it.
32:22 <Brunius> doesn't really surprise me
32:32 <Avatar> most of my characters are either qadira or sczarni
33:02 <Avatar> which I guess is fitting, considering the way factions are now
33:22 <Avatar> can someone tell me where "I do this for Taldor" came from?
35:14 <Brunius> sounds familiar
35:46 <Steven> city of strangers
35:49 <Steven> season 1
36:37 <Steven> Have  I  got  a  mission  for  you!  When  I  first  heard  that  you  were being sent to distant Kaer Maga by the Society, I must  admit I didn’t believe it. After recovering from my initial shock, I spent  hours thinking of how best to use you there, and then the answer came to  me—I need you to take a beating. Not just any beating, though! I need the  man 
36:52 <Steven> I need the  man called Dakar, the leader of that cleverly secretive Commerce League,  to be so offended by your presence that he orders his men to stomp some  sense  into  you.  As  they  beat  you,  you  must  say,  “I  do  this  for  Taldor!”  Hopefully he gets the message, even if you don’t.
37:56 <Avatar> right, that is cool
38:05 <Steven> best thing i've ever seen is the taldor person at the table have his character stand up and just start pissing all over the place screaming "I do this for Taldor!:
39:50 <Brunius> I think I played CoS on Derau
39:57 <Brunius> Which explains why I don't remember that phrase
40:14 <Avatar> ballig would have used bobbob, who is taldor
40:16 <Mekkis> how was PaizoConOz announced?
41:09 <Steven> for some of the scenarios that have good faction missions i will still hand them out.
42:19 <Brunius> Ballig was my DM for part two
42:29 <Brunius> I can't find part I on my scenario list though
43:18 <Avatar> oh yeah he ran both parts
43:25 <Avatar> how can I forget city of strangers part 2
43:43 <Avatar> that encounter was basically first steps tier 2
43:56 <Brunius> I think we kind of fucked it up, too
44:03 <Avatar> got there in the end
44:11 <Mekkis> I always hand out faction missions
44:21 <Brunius> This is the one where you got tortured, right?
44:26 <Mekkis> no
44:28 <Avatar> no that was uh
44:31 <Mekkis> that was Before the Dawn I
44:34 <Avatar> yes
44:34 <Brunius> oh right
44:45 <Steven> you guys gonna do the stonelords thing this year at paizocon au?
44:47 <Mekkis> Brunius was partly to blame
44:47 <Avatar> devil we know was the other one I get confused with those trilogies
44:57 <Brunius> stonelords thing?
45:03 <Avatar> is paizocon in brisbane
45:06 <Brunius> I barely remember most of these trilogies
45:08 <Brunius> Auckland
45:11 <Mekkis> no. Auckland
45:15 <Avatar> oh is that paizocon
45:20 <Avatar> I thought that was waypoint, separate
45:38 <Steven> Legacy of the Stonelords is the new special.
45:48 <Avatar> steven do you know if it has 4 player scaling
45:57 <Avatar> not having 4 player scaling fucks us up
46:03 <Avatar> we are not america
46:06 <Brunius> I think the plan was to play it at Unicon
46:18 <Steven> I dont think it has 4 players scaling.
46:26 <Avatar> why paizo
46:49 <Brunius> "nobody will use it!"
46:59 <Brunius> read as: nobody we tested with will use it
47:10 <Avatar> it's probably because it has 10 subtiers
47:16 <Brunius> I guess
47:19 <Avatar> but uhh, our lives kind of depend on it
47:29 <Avatar> what did they do with season 3 and 4
47:42 <Avatar> everyone used 4 player scaling?
47:54 <Brunius> Did they in the US?
47:56 <Avatar> that might explain why we were getting fucked up in blood under absalom
47:57 <Brunius> My guess is no
48:11 <Brunius> that was the one where Kaleb died?
48:50 <Steven> We strive to make 5-6 player tables at all times.
48:53 <Avatar> yeah
49:04 <Avatar> yeah but that isn't possible in australia
49:05 <Brunius> I think that's a bad thing, Steven
49:08 <Avatar> not in the same subtier
49:18 <Avatar> we would have break rules aplenty to do it
49:32 <Avatar> and as far as I can tell, paizo seems to want to encourage that 
49:45 <Avatar> as long as it's not "abused"
49:54 <Avatar> but nobody can really tell for sure
49:57 <Mekkis> screw the rules.
50:09 <Mekkis> noone cares.
50:33 <Steven> I care mekkis... i care.
50:48 * Steven soulful stare.
53:16 <Avatar> but you've said it yourself before
53:23 <Avatar> the most important thing is to make the game fun
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53:33 <Steven> shhhhhh
53:35 <Steven> shhhhhhhhh
53:51 <Avatar> not that your word is rule, don't get me wrong
53:58 <Avatar> but you're not alone in that thinking either
54:03 <Steven> lets not talk about the crazy things i've said.
54:08 <Steven> lol
54:09 <Avatar> mike and john have both said the same sort of thing
54:40 <Avatar> but the community is scared to go off any rules because they think paizo wants it to be followed to the letter
54:52 <Avatar> there is a big bag of mixed messages coming from them and they don't clarify it very well
55:02 <Mekkis> but when the rules ARE broken, no action is taken
55:51 <Avatar> if the rule is going to be do what you need to do to have fun and don't come crawling back with complaints, then it makes sense for us to put in some 4 player scaling on our own by GM fiat
56:15 <Tyser> by magic
56:22 <Brunius> but we'll inevitably have someone complain
56:22 <Avatar> nobody is going to do that, because the community is scared and one of the few things people do say is don't change encounters
56:43 <Mekkis> someone will always complain
56:46 <Avatar> but strangely enough, sometimes after it's done and a story of a great game is told, nobody cares and some people actually love it
57:19 <Avatar> often the higher-starred GMs and VOs
57:34 <Avatar> because they're the ones who usually love when great games happen, even if a few changes are made
58:34 <Steven> I think as long as everyone is having fun, you trust everyone at the table, and you trust the GM some amazing things can happen.
03:40 <Avatar> exactly
04:04 <Avatar> enforcing 6 player scaling on 4 player tables at a special to a fault is no fun for anyone
08:25 <Steven> well thats when a GM should soft ball a bit.
08:57 <Avatar> I don't think our GMs noticed 4 player scaling wasn't even in it
09:19 <Avatar> the rules surrounding run as written are already murky - GMs are scared to softball 
11:02 <Avatar> what 
12:58 <Steven> softballing isnt a matter of run as written.
13:00 <Spaceshot> you state and use the PRD quite a lot
13:58 <Avatar> most GMs don't know the difference
14:03 <Steven> its a matter of making enemies take inefficient actions. 
18:08 <Mekkis> update NPC set HP = 3 WHERE HP > 0 AND HP <> MAX_HP;
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32:37 <Mekkis> Ulzef, yep
32:48 <Mekkis> You planning on staying for more than the con?
36:46 <Avatar> what
40:57 <Avatar> with message
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44:14 <spider21b> tommrow?
30:53 <Steven> back.
31:22 <Steven> well... 3 hours of sleep, or watch movies and sleep on the car ride.
31:27 <Steven> lets rand this up!
31:38 <Steven> !rand sleep movie
31:39 <dicebot> Steven, random: sleep
31:46 <Steven> well... sleep it is.
12:09 <Brunius> Here is the news
40:04 <Avatar> didn't really live up to the name did they
09:03 <Brunius> ...
11:48 <Mekkis> Ah
12:10 <Mekkis> my... VC decided to wait until after the "early entry" discount was available before emailing us about it.
12:19 <Mekkis> that's very nice of him
12:34 <Steven> heh
12:43 <Brunius> <stevenn> #homo
12:44 <Brunius> <Brunius> #don'tcare
13:01 <Brunius> stevenn> #same
35:51 <Mekkis> !spell strong jaw
36:11 <diebot> Mekkis, STRONG JAW transmutation ([]) druid 4, ranger 3 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: 1 minute/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: APG
36:11 <diebot> Laying a hand upon an allied creature's jaw, claws, tentacles, or other natural weapons, you enhance the power of that creature's natural attacks. Each natural attack that creature makes deals damage as if the creature were two sizes larger than it actually is (see page 302 of the Pathfinder Bestiary for more information). If the creature is
36:11 <diebot> already Gargantuan or Colossal-sized, double the amount of damage dealt by each of its natural attacks instead. This spell does not actually change the creature's size; all of its statistics except the amount of damage dealt by its natural attacks remain unchanged.
39:15 <Mekkis> has Paizocon been announced?
22:27 <DarkKapow> is the website down?
22:36 <DarkKapow> can't get to it :(
22:41 <DarkKapow> are we playing in the morning?
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58:35 <MikeyLikey> hello
37:03 <Ulzef> hey guys and gals
50:34 <Avatar> sup
22:14 <Mekkis> !shuffle
22:15 <diebot> Mekkis, Shuffled deck for Mekkis. 
22:17 <Mekkis> !deal 3
22:18 <diebot> Mekkis, The Marriage (Cha,LN), The Foreign Trader (Int,N), The Bear (Str,N)
22:37 <Avatar> nice
23:05 <Mekkis> You shall marry a foreign trader and go on a hunting expedition.
23:14 <Mekkis> !peek Mekkis
23:33 <Mekkis> !deal 4
23:33 <diebot> Mekkis, The Mute Hag (Wis,NE), The Dance (Dex,LG), The Snakebite (Int,CE), The Cricket (Dex,NG)
35:34 <Avatar> !peek Avatar
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51:30 <Mekkis> yo Brunius 
51:39 <Brunius> yo Mekkis
52:00 <Steven> yo guys
52:08 <Brunius> Fuck off Steven <3
52:17 <Brunius> <<<3
52:32 <Steven> </3
52:34 <Mekkis> €>
52:41 <Mekkis> €> $
52:43 <Brunius> Man look at this cool kid
52:50 <Brunius> with his euros
53:06 <Mekkis> been working on CA netcode
53:22 <Mekkis> maybe I'll be able to get a version out for you guys to try it.
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53:35 <Mekkis> Ummm... got linux available - with Qt4.7?
53:42 <Brunius> Not easily
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54:15 <Steven> had to restart my browser.
54:17 <Steven> so what up guys.
56:47 <Steven> I hooked up my AC unit... house so cool.
01:25 <Steven> so i ran into goya and his girl at Paizocon this year.
01:47 <Steven> they sat down at the last table of The Confirmation i was running.
01:59 <Steven> I was so damn tired i dont think i gave the best showing i could have.
02:23 <Steven> from thursday to sunday i think i got 9 hours of sleep.
07:26 <Steven> so, i was GMing a game
07:38 <Steven> and found a fairly shitty encounter
07:53 <Mekkis> okay, Brunius: I'll see if I can get a windows build environment up and running
09:12 <Steven> Subtier 1–2 (CR 3) HATEFUL SPIRIT  CR 3 Advanced poltergeist (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 211, 292) Subtier 3–4 (CR 5) HATEFUL SPIRITS (2)  CR 3 Advanced poltergeist (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 211, 292)
10:07 <Steven> so.... level 1-2 dealing with 1 naturally invisible incorporeal creature and level 3-4 dealing with two of them.
10:19 <Steven> pretty shitty... imo.
10:41 <Avatar> Steven: if you were in oz you would need to hook up any such AC unit
10:48 <Avatar> you would not* need
11:28 <Brunius> damn right
11:32 <Steven> no, i'd just need to perform an hourly sweep of my habitat to insure any one of the hundred different poisonous creature wasnt in the room.
11:47 <Brunius> i don't think I've ever seen a poisonous creature
12:17 <Steven> for me, mostly spiders.
12:38 <Steven> I will never go to Australia
12:54 <Avatar> that's just the bad marketing man
12:58 <Avatar> you never see those spiders
13:05 <Avatar> unless you are in the bush
13:09 <Avatar> brunius might see them
13:48 <Avatar> he has a sword though so he is set to defend himself
14:08 <Brunius> what made you think I have a sword
14:13 <Avatar> don't you have a sword
14:18 <Brunius> no?
14:19 <Avatar> what weapon do you have
14:24 <Brunius> two bows
14:38 <Steven> I dont want to go to australia though... your toilets dont drain right.
14:38 <Avatar> fuckin' marksmenship right there
14:44 <Avatar> the toilets drain right man
14:57 <Brunius> there are also several crossbow components in my house, which are not illegal to own
15:06 <Brunius> however assembled crossbow is illegal to own
15:14 <Brunius> an assembled*
15:25 <Avatar> probably not illegal in the use of killing a spider
15:45 <Avatar> just a guess, I am no legal expert
15:59 <Brunius> uh huh uh huh
16:20 <Steven> no avatar... they dont make the swirly in the right direction.
17:33 <Brunius> >implying there's a 'right' direction
17:46 <Avatar> they do swirly in the right direction
17:53 <Brunius> there is no right direction
17:57 <Brunius> it's effectively random
18:16 <Brunius> !rng clockwise counterclockwise
18:17 <diebot> Brunius, clockwise
18:34 <Brunius> that has more bearing on which way the toiler will drain than the hemisphere I live in
18:39 <Brunius> toilet even
20:30 <Steven> mostly though... i cant afford the ticket to go down there or i probably would come visit.
21:38 <Steven> so anyways
21:46 <Steven> what you guys think about that fight? pretty shitty?
22:03 <Brunius> you've played darkest vengeance right
22:55 <Avatar> sounds like you were running illegal levels in confirmation
23:15 <Steven> yes, but pointing at a shitty fight and saying they've made shitty fights before doesnt justify throwing 1-2s or 3-4s at naturally invisible incorporeal creatures.
23:27 <Steven> It was at a different table.
23:50 <Avatar> I really hate the trend of killer scenarios coming out
23:58 <Avatar> higher frequency than what they used to be
24:06 <Avatar> sounds like it's due to the powergamers 
24:07 <Brunius> oh I'm not saying it justifies it
24:19 <Avatar> why build ridiculous builds :(
24:20 <Brunius> I was gonna say that's likely to be an accurate measure of how we feel about it
24:33 <Steven> i would say thats spot on then brunius.
24:41 <Avatar> I never heard back about whether the next special has 4-player scaling, which suggests it likely doesn't
24:54 <Brunius> fuuuuuck
24:58 <Avatar> did you guys hear that qadira and sczarni are going to combine
25:10 <Steven> yes, they released a blog about it.
25:14 <Brunius> doesn't really surprise me
25:24 <Avatar> most of my characters are either qadira or sczarni
25:53 <Avatar> which I guess is fitting, considering the way factions are now
26:14 <Avatar> can someone tell me where "I do this for Taldor" came from?
28:06 <Brunius> sounds familiar
28:37 <Steven> city of strangers
28:40 <Steven> season 1
29:29 <Steven> Have  I  got  a  mission  for  you!  When  I  first  heard  that  you  were being sent to distant Kaer Maga by the Society, I must  admit I didn’t believe it. After recovering from my initial shock, I spent  hours thinking of how best to use you there, and then the answer came to  me—I need you to take a beating. Not just any beating, though! I need the  man 
29:44 <Steven> I need the  man called Dakar, the leader of that cleverly secretive Commerce League,  to be so offended by your presence that he orders his men to stomp some  sense  into  you.  As  they  beat  you,  you  must  say,  “I  do  this  for  Taldor!”  Hopefully he gets the message, even if you don’t.
30:48 <Avatar> right, that is cool
30:57 <Steven> best thing i've ever seen is the taldor person at the table have his character stand up and just start pissing all over the place screaming "I do this for Taldor!:
32:41 <Brunius> I think I played CoS on Derau
32:48 <Brunius> Which explains why I don't remember that phrase
33:05 <Avatar> ballig would have used bobbob, who is taldor
34:01 <Steven> for some of the scenarios that have good faction missions i will still hand them out.
35:10 <Brunius> Ballig was my DM for part two
35:21 <Brunius> I can't find part I on my scenario list though
36:10 <Avatar> oh yeah he ran both parts
36:16 <Avatar> how can I forget city of strangers part 2
36:35 <Avatar> that encounter was basically first steps tier 2
36:48 <Brunius> I think we kind of fucked it up, too
36:55 <Avatar> got there in the end
37:02 <Mekkis> I always hand out faction missions
37:13 <Brunius> This is the one where you got tortured, right?
37:17 <Mekkis> no
37:20 <Avatar> no that was uh
37:22 <Mekkis> that was Before the Dawn I
37:25 <Avatar> yes
37:26 <Brunius> oh right
37:37 <Steven> you guys gonna do the stonelords thing this year at paizocon au?
37:38 <Mekkis> Brunius was partly to blame
37:39 <Avatar> devil we know was the other one I get confused with those trilogies
37:49 <Brunius> stonelords thing?
37:55 <Avatar> is paizocon in brisbane
37:58 <Brunius> I barely remember most of these trilogies
38:00 <Brunius> Auckland
38:02 <Mekkis> no. Auckland
38:06 <Avatar> oh is that paizocon
38:12 <Avatar> I thought that was waypoint, separate
38:29 <Steven> Legacy of the Stonelords is the new special.
38:39 <Avatar> steven do you know if it has 4 player scaling
38:49 <Avatar> not having 4 player scaling fucks us up
38:54 <Avatar> we are not america
38:58 <Brunius> I think the plan was to play it at Unicon
39:09 <Steven> I dont think it has 4 players scaling.
39:17 <Avatar> why paizo
39:40 <Brunius> "nobody will use it!"
39:51 <Brunius> read as: nobody we tested with will use it
40:01 <Avatar> it's probably because it has 10 subtiers
40:08 <Brunius> I guess
40:10 <Avatar> but uhh, our lives kind of depend on it
40:20 <Avatar> what did they do with season 3 and 4
40:33 <Avatar> everyone used 4 player scaling?
40:45 <Brunius> Did they in the US?
40:48 <Avatar> that might explain why we were getting fucked up in blood under absalom
40:48 <Brunius> My guess is no
41:03 <Brunius> that was the one where Kaleb died?
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41:41 <Steven> We strive to make 5-6 player tables at all times.
41:45 <Avatar> yeah
41:56 <Avatar> yeah but that isn't possible in australia
41:57 <Brunius> I think that's a bad thing, Steven
42:00 <Avatar> not in the same subtier
42:10 <Avatar> we would have break rules aplenty to do it
42:24 <Avatar> and as far as I can tell, paizo seems to want to encourage that 
42:36 <Avatar> as long as it's not "abused"
42:45 <Avatar> but nobody can really tell for sure
42:48 <Mekkis> screw the rules.
43:00 <Mekkis> noone cares.
43:24 <Steven> I care mekkis... i care.
43:39 * Steven soulful stare.
46:08 <Avatar> but you've said it yourself before
46:14 <Avatar> the most important thing is to make the game fun
46:25 <Steven> shhhhhh
46:27 <Steven> shhhhhhhhh
46:42 <Avatar> not that your word is rule, don't get me wrong
46:50 <Avatar> but you're not alone in that thinking either
46:55 <Steven> lets not talk about the crazy things i've said.
47:00 <Steven> lol
47:00 <Avatar> mike and john have both said the same sort of thing
47:31 <Avatar> but the community is scared to go off any rules because they think paizo wants it to be followed to the letter
47:44 <Avatar> there is a big bag of mixed messages coming from them and they don't clarify it very well
47:53 <Mekkis> but when the rules ARE broken, no action is taken
48:43 <Avatar> if the rule is going to be do what you need to do to have fun and don't come crawling back with complaints, then it makes sense for us to put in some 4 player scaling on our own by GM fiat
49:14 <Brunius> but we'll inevitably have someone complain
49:14 <Avatar> nobody is going to do that, because the community is scared and one of the few things people do say is don't change encounters
49:35 <Mekkis> someone will always complain
49:38 <Avatar> but strangely enough, sometimes after it's done and a story of a great game is told, nobody cares and some people actually love it
50:10 <Avatar> often the higher-starred GMs and VOs
50:25 <Avatar> because they're the ones who usually love when great games happen, even if a few changes are made
51:26 <Steven> I think as long as everyone is having fun, you trust everyone at the table, and you trust the GM some amazing things can happen.
56:31 <Avatar> exactly
56:55 <Avatar> enforcing 6 player scaling on 4 player tables at a special to a fault is no fun for anyone
01:17 <Steven> well thats when a GM should soft ball a bit.
01:49 <Avatar> I don't think our GMs noticed 4 player scaling wasn't even in it
02:11 <Avatar> the rules surrounding run as written are already murky - GMs are scared to softball 
03:11 <Mekkis> !hp 6d8m3
03:12 <diebot> Mekkis, 51
05:49 <Steven> softballing isnt a matter of run as written.
06:50 <Avatar> most GMs don't know the difference
06:55 <Steven> its a matter of making enemies take inefficient actions. 
07:40 <Mekkis> !spell spear of purity
07:42 <diebot> Mekkis, SPEAR OF PURITY evocation ([good]) cleric/oracle 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)  Comp: V, S, DF Duration: instantaneous (1 round) Save: Will partial (see text) SR:yesSource: Ultimate Magic
07:43 <diebot> You hurl a pure white or golden spear of light from your holy symbol, affecting any one target within range as a ranged touch attack. An evil creature struck by the spear takes 1d8 points of damage per two caster levels (maximum 5d8). An evil outsider instead takes 1d6 points of damage per caster level (maximum 10d6) and is blinded for 1 round. A
07:43 <diebot> successful Will save reduces the damage to half and negates the blinded effect. This spell deals only half damage to creatures that are neither evil nor good, and they are not blinded. The spear has no effect on good creatures.
10:07 <Mekkis> !spell grace
10:08 <diebot> Mekkis, GRACE abjuration ([]) cleric 2, paladin 1 1 swift action Range: personal you Comp: V Duration: see text Save:  SR:Source: APG
10:09 <diebot> Until the end of your turn, your movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity.
10:28 <Mekkis> !spell Blinding Ray
10:29 <diebot> Mekkis, BLINDING RAY evocation ([good, light]) cleric 2, inquisitor 3, paladin 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)  Comp: V, S, DF Duration: instantaneous (see text) Save: Fortitude negates SR:yesSource: Advanced Race Guide
10:29 <diebot> You blast your enemies with blinding rays of sunlight. You may fire one ray, plus one additional ray for every four levels beyond 3rd (to a maximum of three rays at 11th level). Each ray requires a ranged touch attack to hit. If a ray hits, it explodes into powerful motes of light, and the target must save or be blinded for 1 round. If the target
10:29 <diebot> has light blindness, light sensitivity, or is otherwise vulnerable to bright light, it instead must save or be blinded for 1d4 rounds and take 1d4 points of damage per two caster levels (maximum 5d4). Any creature blinded by a ray sheds light as a sunrod for the duration of its blindness. The rays may be fired at the same or different targets, but
10:29 <diebot> all rays must be aimed at targets within 30 feet of each other and fired simultaneously.
10:59 <Mekkis> update NPC set HP = 3 WHERE HP > 0 AND HP <> MAX_HP;
11:07 <Mekkis> !spell whispering lore
11:08 <diebot> Mekkis, WHISPERING LORE divination ([]) cleric 2, druid 1, ranger 1, witch 1 1 full-round action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M/DF (an owl's beak) Duration: 10 minutes/level (D) Save:  SR:Source: Advanced Race Guide
11:08 <diebot> Upon casting this spell, you are able to gain knowledge from the land itself. As you walk through the terrain, it whisper information in a language you understand, though the whispering is so rambling it is hard to distinguish useful information. This whispering grants you a +4 insight bonus on a single Knowledge skill type appropriate to the type
11:08 <diebot> of terrain you are in. If you are within a cold, desert, forest, jungle, mountain, plains, swamp, or water environment, you gain the bonus on Knowledge (nature) checks. If you are within an underground environment, you gain the bonus on Knowledge (dungeoneering) checks. If you are within an urban environment, you gain the bonus on Knowledge (local)
11:08 <diebot> checks. If you are on a plane other than the Material Plane, you gain the bonus on Knowledge (planes) checks. If you enter a new terrain, you lose the previous terrain's skill bonus and gain the new bonus.
11:45 <Mekkis> !spell Martyr's Bargain
11:47 <diebot> Mekkis, MARTYR'S BARGAIN transmutation ([good]) cleric 2, paladin 2 1 immediate action Range: personal you Comp: V Duration: 1 round/level Save: none SR:noSource: Inner Sea Magic
11:48 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/martyr's_bargain.html
13:13 <Mekkis> !spell Pilfering Hand
13:14 <diebot> Mekkis, PILFERING HAND evocation ([force]) bard 2, cleric 2, magus 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one object Comp: S Duration: see text Save: none SR:yes (object)Source: Ultimate Combat
13:14 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/pilfering_hand.html
15:11 <Brunius> sup
15:18 <Mekkis> moin
17:54 <Mekkis> !spell Sharesister
17:55 <diebot> Mekkis, SHARESISTER necromancy ([]) cleric 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: touch you and one creature of your gender Comp: V, S, M (a drop of your own blood) Duration: 1 minute/level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yesSource: Pathfinder Society Field Guide
17:55 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/sharesister.html
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44:06 <Mekkis> !spell greensight
44:07 <diebot> Mekkis, GREENSIGHT transmutation ([]) druid 2, ranger 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, M (a leaf ) Duration: 10 minutes/level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:noSource: Rival Guide
44:08 <diebot> Upon casting this spell, the recipient is empowered to see up to 60 feet through thick plant matter as though it were transparent. Leaves, vines, and greenery-even moss, lichen, and slime- offer no concealment to the recipient's sight, though her vision still can be blocked by solid wood, as if from trees or wooden structures. Undergrowth does not
44:08 <diebot> grant concealment to a creature against a recipient of the effects of greensight.
46:08 <Mekkis> !item Goz mask
46:10 <diebot> Mekkis, GOZ MASK [moderate transmutation] CL:8 head 8000gp, 1lb
46:10 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/goz_mask.html
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17:09 <Brunius|M> !throw 1D20 test
32:54 <Ulzef> anyone here planing on a nz trip?
37:22 <Mekkis> it's official: building DevCA is /difficult/
38:26 <Brunius> bet Ballig coulda told you that
43:16 <Steven> NO!
43:20 <Steven> NEVER EVER!
45:16 <Mekkis> ha
45:24 <Mekkis> it's about time for him to come out, right?
45:39 <Mekkis> with me being Not In Act
46:09 <Mekkis> as in, you must use Qt 4.8. Qt5 won't work. Neither will Qt4.7
46:43 <Mekkis> (the webserver hack requires stuff in 4.8. 5 refactored so much I don't know where to start)
47:17 <Brunius> ...
47:37 <Brunius> how does the webserver work?
47:43 <Mekkis> it doesn't
48:16 <Brunius> how should the webserver work?
48:50 <Mekkis> but there's probably about 400 lines of code that refer to it, and it'd be a bitch to remove. Plus, Ballig would probably frown upon it.
49:41 <Mekkis> The GM sends specially crafted HTTP requests to a php script on the webserver, which somehow distributes them to the clients.
50:08 <Brunius> right right
50:21 <Mekkis> oh... and...
50:42 <Mekkis> Qt 4.8 requires a version of mingw to build properly that isn't the latest version either.
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59:40 <Steven> yo
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