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33:20 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 22nd 10am  (7-11) || SS: Sun 23rd 9am || WotW: Sat 29th 3pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
33:20 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Mar 16 13:21:47 2014
46:01 <s_gmusic> wuzzat, brunius?
15:44 <s_gmusic> rawrg
16:22 <s_gmusic> Eyes pt.3 went worse than it probably should have
17:14 <s_gmusic> we missed a thing because nobody was paying attention to their faction missions. :|
01:46 <Mekkis> Brunius, http://nl.ti4200.info/sessionsheet.php
03:24 <Avatar> looks good mekkis
03:41 <Avatar> just as good as a template I think though?
04:44 <s_gmusic> so does that just generate blank sheets or can it search older/reported ones?
05:55 <Avatar> you could get a lot of mileage out of it if it sort of duplicated paizo's reporting system with stored data
06:01 <Avatar> since paizo's is fairly shit
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17:52 <Avatar> shit that's good to know
18:03 <Avatar> I wouldn't have paid attention to my faction missions either (maybe)
18:55 <Brunius> lol factions
19:00 <Brunius> that's SO last year guys
19:02 <Brunius> I mean c'mon
25:09 <Avatar> TOZ: got a character and a token for friday/saturday
25:27 <TOZ> I have a couple.
25:44 <TOZ> Paladin 7, Oracle 9, Bard 9.
25:51 <Avatar> are you on skype
26:00 <TOZ> I can be.
26:02 <Avatar> Damalon01: got a character/token for saturday
26:09 <Avatar> what's your username
26:36 <Damalon01> do you mean for rolld20?
26:40 <TOZ> triomegazero
26:41 <Avatar> yeah
26:48 <Damalon01> 1 sec
27:34 <Damalon01> I think its Damion jackson
27:45 <Avatar> yeah no I've got you
27:48 <Damalon01> or just Damion
27:52 <Avatar> just need your token if you know who you're playing
28:13 <Avatar> or all of your potentials, whatever suits you
28:18 <Damalon01> im prolly gonna play my Cleric of Iomedae, Pellius
28:30 <Damalon01> ill find my pic for him
28:54 <Avatar> what level is Pellius
29:04 <Damalon01> 7
29:23 <TOZ> He'll get along fine with my Paladin of Iomedae. :)
29:31 <Damalon01> ill send the pic via Skype ok?
29:34 <Avatar> yeah
29:40 <Damalon01> yay! i loves da Paladins
29:44 <TOZ> All my tokens are on Dropbox.
29:47 <Avatar> what level's your paladin
29:51 <TOZ> 7
29:57 <Avatar> link me up
30:15 <TOZ> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6z3ossskqb6yo38/Ardelaneu.jpeg
31:41 <Avatar> most likely playing low tier I think
32:00 <TOZ> Yeah, we only have one guy with anyone higher than 9.
32:50 <TOZ> Hopefully being a party of 7s won't kill us. :)
33:06 <Avatar> well you never know
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33:07 <Avatar> !
33:17 <Avatar> just watch your back
33:26 <Damalon01> always
33:28 <TOZ> I could always bring my Life Oracle and prevent all the deaths.
33:42 <s_gmusic> awesomeness: my text notification tone is the old Godzilla roar. :3
33:44 <Damalon01> im pretty heals focused
33:51 <Avatar> this is considered a tougher scenario
33:52 <Damalon01> not as much as a life oracle maybe
34:01 <TOZ> Sweet. Ardelaneu is sword and board.
34:09 <Damalon01> yeah i read some of the reviews Avatar
34:12 <Avatar> I remember being fine when I played it
34:15 <Damalon01> not that there were many
34:29 <TOZ> I've seen what's on the cover. If it wasn't hard I'd be disappointed.
34:41 <Damalon01> im basically channel specced doing buffs and heals
34:51 <Damalon01> melee is a bcakup plan for me
34:56 <TOZ> That saved our asses in Bonekeep.
34:57 <Damalon01> backup even
35:07 <Avatar> what's on the cover is only in high tier
35:13 <TOZ> I thought so.
35:15 <TOZ> :(
35:32 <Damalon01> oh im sure itll still have some nasty stuff in it
35:41 <Avatar> yes don't get a false sense of security
35:44 <Avatar> watch your back !
35:59 <Damalon01> i have quick channel and alignment too Avatar
35:59 <TOZ> Need to get my boy up to the teens and send him into Siege of the Diamond City.
36:15 <TOZ> I'm also rocking Covering Defense.
36:17 <Damalon01> alignement channel i mean
36:35 <TOZ> Which won't mean much if I have to be the damage dealer.
36:36 <s_gmusic> how good is Channeled Revival?
36:48 <TOZ> Saves lives.
36:58 <TOZ> Also came into play in Bonekeep.
37:16 <Avatar> what is channeled revival
37:30 <Avatar> feat?
37:32 <TOZ> Allows you to burn channels for ranged Breath of Life.
37:35 <TOZ> Yes.
37:38 <s_gmusic> spend 3 uses of Channel to cast Breath of Life as a full-round action.
37:43 <Avatar> !feat channeled revival
37:44 <diebot> Avatar, CHANNELED REVIVAL [] You can expend a large portion of your channeling power to reverse death itself. Prerequisite: Channel energy 6d6 (positive energy). Benefit: As a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity, you can expend three uses of your channel energy class feature to restore a dead creature to life as if you had cast
37:45 <diebot> the breath of life spell (Core Rulebook 251).
37:45 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
37:46 <s_gmusic> blarg, ninja'd. 
38:07 <Damalon01> tempting
38:16 <Damalon01> but i need toughness next
38:35 <Avatar> might get that for my cleric
39:12 <Damalon01> you need to be level 11 for that feat anyways
39:26 <Avatar> my cleric is level 10 I think
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42:51 <TOZ> The favored class bonuses can get it early.
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48:50 <Gloin> it would be nice if someone made a pathfinder, level one and up game
51:04 <s_gmusic> so... I was given a license for Hero Lab (base version) today. now I have to figure out if I want to spend the money on getting the books for it. :|
51:20 <TOZ> It is certainly an investment.
51:33 <TOZ> It's come in handy for my PFS play.
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51:46 <Yiroep> ...
52:55 <TOZ> Especially this Mythic boost coming up.
53:22 <s_gmusic> two things running against it are: [1]I don't have an ipad for the character sheet app and [2]I like buying physical books (and have started acquiring soft-cover Companions). 
53:53 <TOZ> I dumped most of my physical copies and only take PDFs to gamedays.
54:59 <s_gmusic> I don't have watermarked pdfs, though, and doubt I can get away with a non-marked version by claiming I have the physical book.
55:22 <TOZ> Yeah, that's the yoke we're under.
57:10 <Avatar> s_gmusic: you look trustworthy
57:36 <Avatar> if you tell me you bought hardcover books but you've only brought softcopies because books are heavy, you'd be fine
58:16 <TOZ> I know our local community just tells people that we prefer they own the books and say nothing more of it.
58:32 <Avatar> yeah there you go
58:43 <TOZ> I should probably do some more audits. As in, ANY.
59:28 <Avatar> a quick once-over of the point buy doesn't hurt
59:42 <Avatar> and str score vs rough encumberance
01:45 <TOZ> I like to do home audits with my friends when we have time. Just to check ourselves.
02:04 <TOZ> I've missed a decimal one too many times not to.
03:34 <TOZ> Okay, time to crash for the night. Catch up with you later.
24:53 <Mekkis> time to write a tracking sheet generator
26:55 <Avatar> what's a tracking sheet
27:13 <Mekkis> session sheet
27:16 <Mekkis> the one you fill out
27:19 <Mekkis> when you play
27:23 <Mekkis> so it can be reported
28:34 <Avatar> so what does a tracking sheet generator do
28:44 <Avatar> why would you generate a tracking sheet instead of use a template
28:45 <Mekkis> creates tracking sheets
29:13 <Avatar> like what's the advantage
29:45 <Mekkis> web interface
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55:57 <Mekkis> trying to work out if I should put a "report as dead" box
59:58 <Mekkis> thoughts?
07:53 <Avatar> what've you got so far
08:06 <Avatar> report as dead in reporting is a bit shit
08:20 <Avatar> there's a common belief that you're supposed to resolve that before you leave the table
08:25 <Avatar> but that is a bit of a joke
08:44 <Avatar> it's always only that you need to resolve it before your next game
08:52 <Avatar> so if you're in flux in between games, that's not covered in the rules
09:01 <Avatar> except to say "resolve it before you leave the table"
09:13 <Avatar> basically fucking over those people if people ever follow RAW
09:33 <Mekkis> that's only if there's a chance you might not be dead
11:07 <Avatar> right, in flux
13:25 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/sessionsheet.pdf
14:06 <Avatar> why is there GM Prestige Earned
14:11 <Avatar> is that ever not max
14:18 <Mekkis> because if you're running a module, it won't be 2
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14:34 <Avatar> but if you still know how much it is
14:56 <Avatar> where do you mark off the secondary mission completed
15:12 <Mekkis> you don't?
15:30 <Avatar> but you have to
15:35 <Mekkis> what?
15:38 <Avatar> oh, prestige points
15:48 <Avatar> sorry it's been a while since I looked at one of these
15:56 <Mekkis> you report primary, and A, B, C, D
15:59 <Mekkis> but not secondary
16:20 <Avatar> yeah
15:21 <s_gmusic> well crud. Just added it up and it's still gonna run me almost $100 to "purchase" the books I own for use in Hero Lab. 
15:23 <s_gmusic> :       |
21:22 <Avatar> what books
21:27 <Avatar> which ones
28:12 <s_gmusic> http://pastebin.com/qgD21bAP
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50:13 <Andros414> IDA?
59:57 <Avatar> what is IDA
12:32 <Mekkis> Interactive Disassembler
14:50 <Avatar> what's that
16:00 <Andros414> lol
16:15 <Avatar> what's so funny 
16:30 <Andros414> if I'm thinking correctly (still half asleep), it should be a way to tear apart the hero lab files and edit the code.
16:44 <Avatar> to accomplish what
17:16 <Andros414> remove their license restrictions and open up access to the books I want, presumably.
18:16 <Andros414> when you download the pathfinder hero lab file, it should have all the data. when you order the book sets, I believe they send a small key file to your installation that unlocks specific things
19:00 <Andros414> from what I can tell, they're not selling individual data files on a per book basis, so that seems to be how they handle it.
19:33 <Andros414> it's somewhat effective against piracy 
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28:54 <Mekkis> heh. Diplomatic victory in Civ V. In 1893.
51:27 <***> Buffer Playback...
51:27 <***> Playback Complete.
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32:11 <Mekkis> Avatar, http://nl.ti4200.info/sessionsheet.php
32:15 <Mekkis> what do you think?
44:19 <Mekkis> Brunius|M, 
53:56 <Mekkis> !feat brew potion
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33:06 <Hexamony> Hello.
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37:40 <Mekkis> where is everyone?
38:39 <Yiroep> o_o
39:24 <Mekkis> ah
39:29 <Mekkis> 08:11 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: s_gmusic, @Mekkis, @Avatar, Philderbeast
46:12 <Newbie> would anyone mind helping me with the character sheet? got the full info on race/class but not good at making
02:56 <Hexamony> Anyone around?
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52:27 <Gloin> it would be nice if someone made a pathfinder, level one and up game
55:23 <Yiroep> ...
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22:13 <Andros414> wow. gone 7-ish hours and the place is dead. yay for spring break, eh?
29:58 <TOZ> Spring Break was glorious. I should have spent more of it doing homework.
36:23 <s_gmusic> can't decide between my Monk being a Martial Artist or a Sohei. on the Martial Artist, there's no Ki Pool, but I get access to fighter feats and can ignore DR. on the Sohei, there's weapons and a mount (wouldn't use a mount, though)
42:14 <Hexamony> This channel is usually more active?
47:43 <TOZ> I think it depends on the time.
48:28 * Hexamony nods.
57:09 <Hexamony> Hm, I'm looking for a channel to talk Pathfinder, but this seems like one where games are more played than discussed.
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06:51 <Andros414> there's quite a bit of discussion, when people are active. there are scheduled days for playing pathfinder via this room and skype, though I think I seen a change over to roll20.
07:41 * Hexamony nods, "Given the .au to this network, I suspect I'm in the wrong channel for any kind of real-time gaming. I'm trying PbP again, or sticking with the tried and true offline stuff."
13:41 <Andros414> what's your time?
14:06 <Hexamony> Pacific. -8 or -7. I never know with daylight savings time.
14:32 <Andros414> what does your clock currently say?
14:49 <Hexamony> 10:14pm
16:28 <Andros414> so you're 22:14 wednesday. I'm 00:14 thursday. most of this channel's peoples are about 16:15 thursday. 
16:34 <Andros414> greetings from the future. 
16:36 <Andros414> :D
16:53 <Hexamony> Greetings. :D Give me a head's up if it's going to end, aye?
18:25 <Andros414> quite imposibru, really. if I know it's going to end, then it's already ended for me. it may not end for you.
18:38 <Hexamony> Ha, fair point.
20:05 <Hexamony> So if it's midnight for you, when do you crash?
24:12 <Andros414> another 5-6 hours
24:32 * Hexamony nods, "How versed are you with Pathfinder?"
25:33 <Andros414> adequately. I've played for over a year, but I'm not an optimizer.
26:44 * Hexamony nods, "It's hard to resist the optimization call that crunchy games give off. I'm familiar with D20 systems, but rusty. Pathfinder is still rather new to me. Been too many years since I first/last played it."
28:31 <Andros414> I'm fortunate in my gaming in that I learned with 3/3.5
29:14 <Hexamony> Yeah. I had some experience with that, too. I can build a character, but I worry I build them terribly wrong.
32:13 <Andros414> my characters are more "Can it what it's supposed to?"
33:21 <Andros414> if it works like it should, then I also make adjustments to shore up any lacking defences. if what I plan doesn't work, then I start over again.
34:10 * Hexamony nods.
34:13 <Hexamony> A handy skill.
35:19 <Andros414> it results in more balanced characters than min-maxed ones. I may not hit as hard as your typical fighter, but I have a few more options that keep me versatile.
37:40 <Hexamony> Yeah. That's what I need for Society games. A character that can slip from group to group, provide a benefit, and not be a drain on others resources. At the same time, a dash of optimization is still good.
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58:46 <Damalon01> hi all
00:18 <Avatar> yo
00:37 <Hexamony> Hello
02:53 <Avatar> Hexamony: some of us were working when you were trying to find discussions
03:58 <Hexamony> Ahh
04:13 <Avatar> yes thank god that's over
04:17 <Avatar> do you play PFS
04:41 <Hexamony> Still working on my first character for some PbP PFS on MW.
06:24 <Hexamony> Given that you can't play the same PFS character in multiple PbP games, or even FtF, I plan to make two or three for now. Sometime.
06:36 <Avatar> what is MW
06:47 <Hexamony> Myth-Weavers. A site for PbP gaming.
06:48 <Avatar> myth weaver
06:55 <Avatar> why not just play on paizo.com
07:16 <Hexamony> I didn't realize Paizo had PbP games. Plus, MW also offers Fate, Dresden, and some other things of interest.
07:29 <Avatar> yeah it's in the messageboards
07:37 <Avatar> I don't play pbp, I don't know the difference
07:46 <Avatar> between paizo or mw or anywhere
07:54 <Avatar> realtime gaming is where it's at
08:05 * Hexamony nods, "My only PbP experience so far is with Hero Central years ago."
08:31 <Hexamony> Eh, harder for me to get out for real-time gaming.
11:41 <Avatar> play online 
11:46 <Avatar> like, realtime online
12:17 <Hexamony> I tried that with Google Hangouts. The trouble there is I have terrible focus while at my computer. Not opposed to trying again, but not actively looking for opportunities.
12:45 <Avatar> what do you mean terrible focus
13:58 <Hexamony> Actually, it depends. Chat-based RPing, terrible. Hard for me to schedule games, but video chats at the right time. Gives me something to focus on, but I'm still kind of mentally all over.
14:20 <Andros414> welcome back, avatar.
14:22 <Hexamony> Though, that's true face-to-face. Kind of shy and quiet.
26:39 <Hexamony> Don't see any games that would be late-night for me. Curse my timezone.
31:51 <Hexamony> So what's the opinion of a Halfling Archaeologist Bard built for archery?
33:06 <Andros414> why halfling?
34:20 <Hexamony> The guide on Bards I found said Halflings are a suitable race, and never played a Small character. It interested me. Though I found a later thread that made me start re-thinking the choice.
34:28 <Avatar> I've got a human archaeologist
34:51 <Avatar> I built it on a tripping build with a level of mysterious stranger to get a gun
34:54 <Hexamony> Heh. As one guide says, is there anything a Human doesn't get full-stars as a choice?
34:56 <Avatar> that plan badly backfired by level 7
35:23 <Hexamony> What happened? Planning ahead is a low-score skill for me right now.
35:55 <Avatar> most things at that level either can't be tripped or have a CMD through the roof
36:04 <Hexamony> Ahh.
36:09 <Avatar> and 1d8 of pistol damage even to touch AC really doesn't cut it against things with 100hp
36:44 <Hexamony> And that's why I'm seeking far more experienced help in building characters. That's.. wow.
37:19 <Avatar> I got some advice and rebuilt it as a dervish dancing scimitar damage dealer
37:25 <Avatar> 27 prestige and 2200 odd gp later
37:52 <Hexamony> Ah, so it's possible to respec a Society character, just not a minor cost.
38:28 <Andros414> yeah, you can retrain, but it's expensive due to the prestige cost.
38:40 <Hexamony> Sounds like it.
38:43 <Avatar> 5 prestige per feat
38:51 <Avatar> I can't remember the gold cost calculation
38:54 <Hexamony> Well, if you don't mind taking a look, this is what I have.
39:18 <Hexamony> http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=832711
39:27 <Andros414> well, it's 1pp per day required to retrain something. feats are require 5 days, so 5pp.
39:33 <Avatar> you can paste a link to a build here anytime even if people aren't around, someone will eventually come back and look over it
39:39 <Andros414> ^
39:43 <Hexamony> Okay. :)
40:12 <Avatar> what do halflings get
40:17 <Avatar> for ability scores
40:24 <Hexamony> I also use Hero Lab as a guideline for things, but don't have the UC or UM packages yet.
40:34 <Andros414> gold cost is 10 x character level x days required to retrain
40:38 <Hexamony> -2 STR, +2 CHA, and I think something else.
40:47 <Avatar> do the scores on this sheet reflect that
40:51 <Damalon01> +2 dex
40:53 <Avatar> or is it pre-racial adjustment
41:12 <Hexamony> This sheet reflects racial adjustments.
42:51 <Avatar> looks straightforward
43:03 <Avatar> are you going for optimisation or a particular build or what
43:59 <Hexamony> I'm going for something useful in any PFS group I might find myself in. I don't know much about particular builds.
45:02 <Avatar> what do you want to do with your character? archery
45:40 <Hexamony> Yeah. I can't seem to not make a long-ranged character, but my next character will attempt to change that.
45:41 <Avatar> !findchar James
45:48 <Andros414> whip-focus archaeologist build = Indiana Jones. ;)
45:50 <diebot> Avatar, Character: James, number: 413867( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413867 )
45:51 <Andros414> avatar, I'm right here.
46:03 <Avatar> that's not right
46:11 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=867
46:33 <Avatar> that's my archaeologist with a scimitar
48:46 <Avatar> I'd recommend against using attack spells that allow a save, because bard DCs are terrible
48:58 <Avatar> stick to buffs where possible
49:12 <Hexamony> Ah, okay.
50:25 <Avatar> what's the point in being a monk if you have a weapon
53:51 <Andros414> IDA?
56:38 <s_gmusic> idunno. something different?
56:53 <Avatar> but it's not different :P
57:04 <Avatar> go martial artist maybe
02:41 <s_gmusic> yeah, that's what the Coin of Decisions told me to do, so it is now a Martial Artist. 
02:56 <Avatar> the what
03:28 <s_gmusic> heh. "Coin of Decisions" is when i flip a coin to decide between A or B. anything more than that and I use dice.
03:35 <Avatar> what is IDA
04:42 <Mekkis> Avatar, if you wield the weapon in two hands, you improve damage output.
04:53 <Mekkis> 1.5x str
07:06 <Andros414> oh yeah, avatar, what'd you ask for a list of my books for earlier?
07:10 <Andros414> ......derp
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07:29 <s_gmusic> shows how much attention I pay to things. :\
08:00 <Avatar> just like any other martial
08:11 <Mekkis> until you flurry with it
08:34 <Mekkis> pulling off two attacks at 1.5x str at first level
16:10 <Mekkis> Interactive Disassembler
18:28 <Avatar> what's that
19:38 <Andros414> lol
19:52 <Avatar> what's so funny 
20:08 <Andros414> if I'm thinking correctly (still half asleep), it should be a way to tear apart the hero lab files and edit the code.
20:21 <Avatar> to accomplish what
20:54 <Andros414> remove their license restrictions and open up access to the books I want, presumably.
21:54 <Andros414> when you download the pathfinder hero lab file, it should have all the data. when you order the book sets, I believe they send a small key file to your installation that unlocks specific things
22:38 <Andros414> from what I can tell, they're not selling individual data files on a per book basis, so that seems to be how they handle it.
23:11 <Andros414> it's somewhat effective against piracy 
32:16 <Avatar> what?
32:54 <Avatar> I didn't ask for your books?
33:07 <s_gmusic> [05:11] <s_gmusic> well crud. Just added it up and it's still gonna run me almost $100 to "purchase" the books I own for use in Hero Lab. 
33:08 <s_gmusic> [05:11] <s_gmusic> :       |
33:08 <s_gmusic> [05:17] <@Avatar> what books
33:08 <s_gmusic> [05:17] <@Avatar> which ones
33:08 <s_gmusic> [05:24] <s_gmusic> http://pastebin.com/qgD21bAP
33:36 <Avatar> oh
33:54 <Avatar> I'll send you some PDFs you can use for now if you need them
34:01 <Avatar> probably useless if they're in herolab though
34:12 <s_gmusic> yeah, don't really need pdfs.
34:24 <Steven> so hows it goin guys?
34:35 <s_gmusic> thanks for the offer, though, but I think I have most everything in pdf already... just not watermarked. >.>
35:00 <Avatar> yeah I only learnt how to play with unwatermarked PDFs
35:15 <Avatar> if you asked me to buy them to use them I would've said hells no get that pathfinder shiz outta mah face
35:22 <s_gmusic> lol
35:26 <Hexamony> A VL in my area gave me a stack of his well-worn books the other day. It kind of sparked my sudden interest in actually doing PFS.
35:35 <Avatar> now I'm like :O~~~ GIVE ME MORE
35:50 <Avatar> I CANT STOP BUYING BOOKS FOR JUST ONE MORE ABILITY OR ITEM
35:57 <Hexamony> Of course, still need to spend $20 on Hero Lab to make half that content understandable, and I want to GM, so a worthwhile cost.
36:14 <Avatar> what dont' you understand from the books
36:35 <Hexamony> Well, I mean, be able to use it building characters. PCs and NPCs.
36:37 <s_gmusic> I'm the same way with buying the books, avatar. I have an advantage that's also a disadvantage.
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38:09 <s_gmusic> the good thing? I can buy books direct from a distributor at wholesale (about 45% of msrp). the bad thing is that it leads to me buying more books because I can afford it. >.>
38:25 <Hexamony> Nice, but yeah, problematic.
39:22 <s_gmusic> there's very much a "I can buy this one... and this one... and this one... oooh! And those!" moment every time I make an order >.<
39:34 <Hexamony> Ha. What are you buying?
39:53 <s_gmusic> pathfinder books, what else? xD
40:07 <Hexamony> Having a VL in my group, I won't really need to buy books. He's even a module subscriber, but hasn't opened most of what he's got. Plenty of content I can run he'll be unfamiliar with.
40:27 <Hexamony> I meant which items specifically. I recently realized how vast the Paizo product list is. Dauntingly vast.
41:22 <s_gmusic> that pastebin I linked is a start.
41:58 * Hexamony takes a look.
42:23 <Hexamony> My friend lent me his Inner Sea guide, and suggest I look for a place where I'd want to run a game. I like Garund's East Coast.
43:06 <s_gmusic> NUMERIA!!!
43:14 <s_gmusic> robots and lazers and things!
43:39 <Hexamony> I like the idea of Numeria, but Paizo is releasing a variety of items for that region later this year, so thought I'd pick a different place.
43:59 <s_gmusic> maaaayybee. link for proof?
44:49 <Hexamony> http://paizo.com/products/btpy93lc?Pathfinder-Campaign-Setting-Numeria-Land-of-Fallen-Stars
45:25 <s_gmusic> Oh.
45:27 <s_gmusic> My.
45:29 <s_gmusic> Balls.
45:32 <s_gmusic> It shall be mine
45:35 <s_gmusic> hey steven. gonna be hitting up Eyes of Ten part 3 in a few hours. here's hoping things don't go to shit.
45:49 <Hexamony> And within the product description is a link to a 5-module adventure path.
46:05 <s_gmusic> yeah, Iron Gods.
46:24 <Hexamony> So yeah. I want to spend these few months getting familiar what I want to run, not spend it waiting to mad-read content.
46:27 <s_gmusic> NEED AN ANDROID RACE BOON NAO
46:38 <Hexamony> Unfortunately, one adventure I saw so far for my area of interest is a level 16 adventure.
46:42 <Hexamony> Heh.
47:47 <Steven> do it up sir.
50:55 <Yiroep> I'm excited. Co-GMing part 4 this Sunday.
54:18 <s_gmusic> we shall see.
55:20 <Hexamony> You know what would be nice? An online, interactive atlas of the Inner Sea. Click a Nation, find modules, adventure paths, or whatever, related to that Nation, and maybe information about the government, cities, and people of that nation. Granted, that last bit you'd probably have to pay for.
57:04 <s_gmusic> it exists and is free.
57:16 <s_gmusic> they're called "wikis"
57:17 <s_gmusic> :P
57:20 <Hexamony> >.<
57:30 <Hexamony> Do they list related adventure paths and modules?
57:44 <Mekkis> possibly
57:58 <Mekkis> I thought it was simple. Almost everything is Varisia.
58:18 <Hexamony> Cause that's what I'm really after. With 80 modules, and who knows what else, that's a lot to sift through.
58:56 <Hexamony> A-ha: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Category:Adventures_by_nation
59:29 <s_gmusic> hey, lookit that. it's a wiki. xP
59:50 <Hexamony> Bah. So I didn't look carefully when last I saw this wiki. :p
01:00 <s_gmusic> lol it's fine. need to get away from the paint fumes for a few minutes
01:43 <Hexamony> Anyway, I'm off towards bed. Thanks, I think, for the advice and such. :)
01:55 <Mekkis> Avatar, s_gmusic: How much do you take precedence into account when making a ruling?
09:11 <s_gmusic> regarding?
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10:57 <Mekkis> regarding rules questions
11:10 <Mekkis> that come up when playing or GMing
12:05 <Mekkis> I've witnessed a local GM very confidently make two rulings: one which was objectively wrong, and another which - while the interpretation is valid, sets a very dangerous precedent.
12:28 <Mekkis> (the first would also set a bad precedent if he portrayed it as correct)
16:39 <s_gmusic> hm...
18:20 <Mekkis> Specifics: he ruled that Protection from Evil would protect against Confusion (refuted by FAQ).
18:59 <s_gmusic> I try to be fair as best I can, sometimes asking another nearby DM for an opinion. failing that, I go with what makes the most sense, and failing THAT, then I go with what's humorous.
19:30 <Mekkis> The second ruling, which would pretty much disqualify Avatar from ever being on his table, was: that the "attack nearest" option on Confusion will require the PC to attack a downed character
20:21 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, what I'm worried about is that now the players are thinking that Protection from Evil protects against Confusion
21:42 <s_gmusic> .... Confusion is not a spell with the "Evil" descriptor. even if cast by an evil mage, it wouldn't be stopped because while it affects your mind, it doesn't control it.
22:47 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, I know that
23:43 <s_gmusic> the second thing screams "OH HELL NO" to me. a confused PC wouldn't have the sense of mind to tell the difference between "dead" and "unconscious"/"bleeding out" if they're on the ground and not moving/attacking/whatever, they'd be seen as dead and left alone.
24:59 <Mekkis> that's the one I'm worried about
25:22 <s_gmusic> really, the line "attack nearest creature" should probably be changed to "attack nearest threat" since the effect description says "treat all creatures as enemies." 
25:25 <Mekkis> I'm rather worried about the dangerous precedent it sets
26:07 <Brunius> A fighter, rogue, cleric, and wizard walk into a bar.
26:09 <Brunius> You would have thought they would have passed their Perception roll.
26:19 <Mekkis> there's nothing in the rules that says it doesn't work that way, but... 
26:31 <Mekkis> I have exactly the same thought. Hell no.
29:11 <Mekkis> but, he's done it, and I'm wondering what precedent that sets for the community
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29:34 <s_gmusic> was it a society game or something else?
29:41 <Mekkis> it was
31:11 <s_gmusic> then I would default to looking for a dev post on the forums for a similar incident or email someone like Mike Brock for a clarification for society purposes.
34:34 <Mekkis> I'll give it some time
39:05 <s_gmusic> don't wait too long, though. the sooner there's a correction or clarification, the better people may remember it.
42:07 <Mekkis> assuming that they look at the forums
42:15 <Mekkis> (which they... don't)
43:04 <s_gmusic> don't feel bad, mekkis. I'm already expecting an argument with one of the players in my Wrath game.
43:30 <Mekkis> and I have no idea what's happening with organisation
43:50 <Mekkis> I'm wondering whether I should kick the nest again
44:11 <s_gmusic> wear big boots and bring a flamethrower.
44:57 <Mekkis> We have an event organiser who schedules two games a week, resulting in overfull tables and players who can't play anything, in addition to a total loss of continuity
45:16 <s_gmusic> wat
45:20 <Mekkis> We have a VC who thinks the best way of getting more GMs is to kick out the old ones.
45:58 <Mekkis> We have a VC and VL who have been basically scheduling and grinding games to get more stars and glory.
46:18 <s_gmusic> :   |
46:25 <Avatar> smart VOs
46:31 <Avatar> wish I'd have thought of that
46:58 <Avatar> report him to brock
47:13 <Mekkis> Oh, and they're also spreading rumours of the retirement of Eyes of the Ten, in order to get local players to powerlevel so that they can both replay it.
47:57 <s_gmusic> I have those rumors here, too.
49:09 <Mekkis> any substantiation?
49:35 <Avatar> report them to brock asap 
51:22 <s_gmusic> no clue, mekkis. I don't think they'd announce something kinda big like that before Gencon, though.
51:55 <Mekkis> what? Either he's breaking his NDA, and noone else wants to break their NDAs to call them on it...
52:10 <Mekkis> Or they're engaging in baseless speculation from a position of authority
54:15 <Mekkis> How many times does the phone ring before it goes to voicemail?
54:22 <Mekkis> Three rings for the helpdesk connecting you to Sky
54:22 <Mekkis> Seven rings for the IT staff, manager and drone
54:22 <Mekkis> Nine rings for the mortal devs doomed always to cry
54:22 <Mekkis> One for the CEO who doesn't use the phone
54:22 <Mekkis> In the exec penthouse where the salesmen lie
54:22 <Mekkis> One ring to fool them all, one ring to wind them
54:22 <Mekkis> One ring to drive them mad and in their madness blind them
54:22 <Mekkis> In the exec penthouse where all the salesmen lie 
55:38 <Damalon01> lol
57:38 <s_gmusic> ......
57:47 <s_gmusic> go home mekkis, you're drunk. :P
58:07 <Mekkis> I'm home
58:10 <Mekkis> and sober
58:24 <s_gmusic> then get drunk. xD
58:40 <s_gmusic> speaking of... I could use a drink. but it's 4am. :\
58:43 <Mekkis> to be fair, the helpdesk at my work is pretty good
59:54 <Mekkis> I just wish they wouldn't solve every problem with "assign a new password. 10-16 characters, uppercase, lowercase, numbers and symbols, unrelated to any of your previous passwords".
00:05 <Mekkis> (the fact that it WORKS notwithstanding)
00:29 <s_gmusic> >.>
01:04 <Mekkis> Now I come up with a new password BEFORE I visit the helpdesk
01:39 <s_gmusic> heh
01:47 <Mekkis> (after the time I had to visit them twice in one day - once with a problem, the second because I'd forgotten my new password.
01:58 <s_gmusic> xD
02:15 <s_gmusic> if it makes you feel better: http://i.imgur.com/FTMI4nt.gif
04:27 <Mekkis> and if it doesn't?
05:38 <s_gmusic> well, at least you're not painting a figure for someone who said "paint it like a paladin of Iomedae" and the figure is just a guy in full plate with no distinguishing details. 
05:40 <s_gmusic> >_<
06:29 <Mekkis> don't knock guys in full play with no distinguishing details.
06:37 <Mekkis> That kind of mini is really useful
06:43 <Mekkis> it's about 5% of NPCs
06:50 <s_gmusic> lol
07:59 <s_gmusic> just seen we have a Gamera in here. I just changed my text tone to the old Godzilla roar yesterday >.>
08:23 <Mekkis> seriously, having good NPC minis is something I've been working on for months
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09:03 <Mekkis> Brunius, you around?
09:03 <s_gmusic> why?
09:18 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, having representative minis while GMing is a good thing
10:09 <s_gmusic> well, yeah, but what's wrong with the paper cut-out minis like from the bestiary boxes?
10:40 <Mekkis> they're not minis
12:20 <Brunius> uh
12:21 <Brunius> no
12:22 <Brunius> not around
13:15 <Mekkis> could you tell him that I will have to leave SS at about midday?
13:28 <Mekkis> and see if he'll be available in about half an hour to blow up some tanks?
16:43 <Mekkis> thanks Brunius 
20:19 <s_gmusic> http://i.imgur.com/OCpg9wO.jpg
27:20 <Mekkis> heh
28:46 <Brunius> I'll tell him
29:35 <Mekkis> cool. Get back with the response ASAP
29:57 <s_gmusic> it's kind of funny. muricans are all like "our mascot's majestic as fuck! look at that!" and they'll show pictures like that tumblr one I linked a bit ago. 
30:10 <s_gmusic> it gets funny when they don't own up to these: http://naturephotographyblog.squarespace.com/storage/Bald-Eagle%20Calling%20_J1X9158.JPG
31:09 <s_gmusic> http://onchickenbuses.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/eagle-pic.jpg
31:25 <s_gmusic> http://media.tumblr.com/66c2b190f57ec33fa0c7061b38c77b4b/tumblr_inline_mjxba8fEYl1qz4rgp.jpg
31:31 <s_gmusic> amazing how derpy it gets.
32:22 <Reaper> you might get myself and a friend on for that session on sunday
34:35 <Brunius> He'll be available to play in about half an hour
35:05 <Mekkis> ok
35:29 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Australian_american_memorial_in_russel.jpg
35:39 <Mekkis> AKA, "the chicken on a stick"
35:51 <Mekkis> maybe even "the rabbit on a stick"
37:53 <Mekkis> One great thing about Australia is it's one of the few countries where you can eat both the national animal, and the coat of arms!
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43:58 <s_gmusic> nom nom?
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44:29 <Mekkis> brb, eating two fish, one onion, and a mushroom
44:48 <s_gmusic> something seems off about that.
46:29 <Mekkis> what?
46:42 <s_gmusic> needs garlic.
46:55 <Mekkis> oh, there was garlic in there too
47:12 <s_gmusic> oh. enjoy, then. :)
47:28 <Mekkis> The mushroom weighed about half a pound
47:53 <s_gmusic> Supah Shroom! 1UP! 1UP! 1UP! 1UP!
48:09 <Mekkis> do you still get 1UP if you chop up and cook the mushroom?
48:41 <s_gmusic> don't see why not. you're still consuming it.
01:24 <s_gmusic> sure, I'll go for that: https://uploads-riptapparel-com.s3.amazonaws.com/designs/13399/samtron-detail_70762_cached_thumb_-50ac5a62e8cecdbaefbf9be229c742d8.jpg
15:42 <Brunius> when Brunius aid half an hour
15:47 <Brunius> he probably actually meant about an hour
17:32 <Mekkis> really
18:00 <Mekkis> it's been just over that
18:48 <Brunius> Brunius might be bad at estimating how long RTSes take to finish a game
19:21 <s_gmusic> what're you playing?\
19:36 <Mekkis> Tanks
19:39 <Brunius> Was playing Wargame: Red Dragon
19:39 <Mekkis> World of
20:42 <s_gmusic> this computer likely can't run it. :\
20:56 <Mekkis> this one probably can't
21:39 <Brunius> hmm
21:48 <Brunius> for some reason the shortcut on my desktop is to the NA version
24:05 <Brunius> Server is temporarily unavailable?
24:06 <Mekkis> I'm worried. It's likely that Brunius will have a newer PC than me
24:58 <Brunius> The oldest part in this is probably the case
25:04 <Brunius> which I don't know the age of
25:15 <s_gmusic> lol
25:15 <Brunius> the next oldest is the PSU
25:22 <Mekkis> wow
25:24 <Brunius> which is about 5 years old
25:34 <Mekkis> oldest of mine is keyboard, obv
25:49 <Mekkis> tanks is up for me
25:53 <Brunius> if we're counting peripherals, the mouse is probably oldest
25:53 <Mekkis> where are you, Bru?
26:00 <Mekkis> older than the keyboard?!
26:04 <Brunius> yeah I didn't have a 1.63mb patch
26:08 <Brunius> I'm not using the model M anymore
26:11 <Brunius> It was annoying people too much
26:49 <Mekkis> second is either the soundcard, or the 3.5" floppy drive
27:17 <Brunius> For way too long this didn't even have a CD drive
27:26 <Mekkis> followed by the harddrive controller card
27:37 <Mekkis> CPU is only about... 7 years old
27:45 <Mekkis> skype?
33:45 <Avatar> what's a good scenario to run at a con
34:00 <Brunius> darkest vengeance
34:07 <Avatar> someone already ran that recently
34:12 <Avatar> the community was so mad
34:20 <Avatar> that's what started the 2-5 tiers we have now
34:37 <Avatar> not that that would save it but it's some sort of indicator at least
34:56 <Avatar> ie. never play a 2-5 in levels 1-3
35:03 <Avatar> or 2-3 I guess
45:17 <Mekkis> Avatar, Library of the Lion
45:43 <s_gmusic> that's a fun one.
45:59 <Mekkis> but if it's Conquest, I want to run it :S
46:57 <Avatar> I've already run library of the lion
47:04 <Mekkis> so?
47:43 <Avatar> I would prefer to run something else
47:55 <Avatar> I don't want to be The Library Guy
48:02 <Avatar> someone else can have credit
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48:35 <Mekkis> still haven't run Library for credit yet
48:40 <Mekkis> I've run it twice
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52:34 <Avatar> you run it for credit the first time you run it
52:43 <Mekkis> nope
53:53 <Avatar> yup
54:38 <Avatar> you can pretend you apply it on the third time if that floats your boat, it's the same thing
55:19 <Mekkis> you can apply it once. Does not have to be the first time.
55:24 <Mekkis> according to Brock
55:38 <Avatar> there's no difference
56:50 <Mekkis> I want to try playing this useless character in the low levels
01:29 <Avatar> you've still got old requests on the drive spreadsheet
04:16 <Mekkis> Still get Access Denied
04:23 <Mekkis> I want Fate of the Fiend
04:40 <Avatar> you played the other 2 though yeah
05:04 <Brunius> http://davesmapper.com/
09:09 <Mekkis> yeah
09:28 <Mekkis> I think Destiny of Sands III will be a bitch to prep
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11:41 <Mekkis> but seriously, Avatar, at a con, you should run something you've run before and are comfortable with
19:50 <Avatar> I know that, I need something specific though
20:07 <Avatar> I'm not running any of the destiny of sands ones, the other guys are slot zeroing that
34:06 <Mekkis> Haunting of Hijoji
34:22 <Mekkis> Heresy of Man II and III
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39:08 <s_gmusic> anyone need a hammock? http://i.imgur.com/fqcZhAp.png
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52:45 <Mekkis> !feat reach spell
52:47 <diebot> Mekkis, REACH SPELL [Metamagic] Your spells go farther than normal.
52:48 <diebot> Benefit:  You can alter a spell with a range of touch, close, or medium to increase its range to a higher range category, using the following order: touch, close, medium, and long. A reach spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level for each increase in range category. For example, a spell with a range of touch
52:48 <diebot> increased to long range uses up a spell slot three levels higher. Spells modified by this feat that require melee touch attacks instead require ranged touch attacks. Spells that do not have a range of touch, close, or medium do not benefit from this feat. Source: APG
55:01 <Mekkis> so casting Reach cure moderate wounds would require a touch attack?
55:41 <s_gmusic> doesn't sound like it.
55:55 <Mekkis> Spells modified by this feat that require melee touch attacks instead require ranged touch attacks. 
56:22 <s_gmusic> Cure Mod with Reach 1 has a range of Close instead of touch and is a 3rd level spell. 
57:57 <s_gmusic> unless you're concerned about burning cure mods for damaging undead.
58:30 <Mekkis> sure
58:37 <Mekkis> but it requires a touch attack normally
59:47 <s_gmusic> Oh! I see now (I think)
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01:10 <s_gmusic> I'd say if you're using Reach Cure Mod to heal an ally, you don't need to make a ranged touch attack roll to do so as long as they're within range. if you do so to harm undead, you do have to make the ranged attack roll.
01:16 <s_gmusic> is that what you were looking for?
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02:44 <Mekkis> yeah
02:52 <Mekkis> but I'm looking for something concrete
03:04 <Mekkis> hell, I'm not even sure how I'd rule it if it came up
10:27 <s_gmusic> well, here's a whole thread on it: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pne3&page=2?Reach-Metamagic-and-the-Fly-Spell
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11:12 <s_gmusic> one of the posts had this to say:
11:16 <s_gmusic> Ultimately, it comes down to this:
11:16 <s_gmusic> Premise: "Spells modified by this feat that require melee touch attacks instead require ranged touch attacks" means that there's only a ranged attack if it's replacing a melee attack that would normally be needed.
11:16 <s_gmusic> Premise: "You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll" means that a touch spell on an ally does not require a melee touch attack.
11:16 <s_gmusic> Conclusion: A touch spell on an ally, modified by Reach Spell, does not require a ranged touch attack.
18:41 <Mekkis> yep
18:44 <Mekkis> makes sense
19:28 <Mekkis> I just wish that the Dev team would have quoted that, said "this is correct", rather than just saying "Staff response: no reply needed"
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16:18 <s_gmusic> enjoy some Classic Internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60og9gwKh1o
31:01 <Ell> in PFS would we be using a chatroom or software to play a game?
37:22 <Mekkis> both
41:21 <Ell> that makes much more sense
41:47 <Ell> what software? i have quite a few
42:38 <Mekkis> skype for voice
42:41 <Mekkis> I use CA
42:42 <Mekkis> ?ca
42:43 <diebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/DevCA22b135.zip
42:57 <Mekkis> Avatar seems to alternate between roll20 and CA
43:21 <Ell> i dont have CA but i do have roll20 and skype
43:28 <Mekkis> CA is free
43:32 <Mekkis> that's the link
43:33 <Mekkis> ?ca
43:34 <diebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/DevCA22b135.zip
44:00 <Ell> ok thanks
45:47 <Ell> i think im in one of avatars games scheduled for the 21st
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