// #d&d — 2014-03-07
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00:41:25 <Brunius> https://twitter.com/EddieWorkMoron
00:43:08 <s_gmusic> wuzzat?
01:07:52 <Damalon01> bbllllaarg
01:09:53 <Avatar> ya
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02:14:21 <Mekkis> well.. TI83 can't. TI83+ can
02:36:32 <Steven> so i got a complaint from a player about my running of citadel of flame
02:36:52 <Steven> because im a GM that only gets his jollies from killing players...
02:37:12 <Steven> even though i tried everything i could to not kill players.
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02:38:17 <Steven> the store got a complaint for not being inclusive enough to the player
02:38:22 <Steven> it was his first time there ever
02:38:29 <Steven> and nobody could remember his name.
02:40:01 <Steven> So i guess im not supposed to follow tactics as written even more, i shouldnt cast spells at all on my casters because thats just not fair to players.
02:44:01 <Steven> heh
02:52:20 <Avatar> I really need to have a better understanding of alchemical items and then fill up my haversack with everything I can find
02:52:33 <Avatar> so much good stuff I was never aware of
02:52:44 <Brunius> Yeah people keep telling me I should build a scroll cache
02:53:23 <Avatar> what's a scroll cache
02:53:26 <Steven> pick a % of your income to dedicate to consumables.
02:53:32 <Steven> and then get them.
02:53:35 <Avatar> I didn't know these consumables existed
02:53:40 <Brunius> Just a bunch of scrolls
02:53:48 <Brunius> 'a scroll for every situation'
02:53:52 <Avatar> unstable accelerant from ARG is +1d6 damage to fire bombs
02:54:21 <Avatar> yeah you need to have a bunch of scrolls handy
02:54:43 <Avatar> working out crafting pricing is going to be a headache
03:10:19 <Steven> so what you guys up to
03:10:43 <Avatar> is that the fireball one
03:10:53 <Avatar> tier 4-5 for that fireball
03:10:56 <Avatar> doesn't sound new
03:11:04 <Steven> yeah
03:11:10 <Steven> 6d6 damage
03:11:17 <Steven> rolled 29
03:11:23 <Avatar> owwwww
03:11:29 <Steven> everyone but one person failed save
03:13:18 <Steven> yeah, thats the only Fireball i used.
03:13:32 <Steven> cause i didnt want to kill them
03:16:24 <Avatar> what did the player want you to do exactly
03:16:32 <Steven> i dunno
03:16:43 <Avatar> that's an important question
03:16:50 <Steven> i guess not use fireball
03:16:59 <Avatar> you ran tactics as written
03:17:22 <Steven> no i broke tactics right after the spell and took super ineffective actions
03:17:41 <Steven> i literally could have killed all of them.
03:18:09 <Avatar> before the fireball
03:18:22 <Avatar> before and up to
03:18:29 <Steven> started game
03:18:31 <Avatar> I don't think anyone is upset at going weaker
03:18:42 <Steven> read the description
03:18:50 <Avatar> what description
03:18:56 <Steven> they found the citadel of flame
03:19:01 <Steven> get attacked by two fire elementals
03:19:12 <Steven> kill em pretty easy
03:19:16 <Steven> they go inside the temple
03:19:22 <Avatar> I'm only talking about that encounter
03:19:26 <Steven> go upstairs after the foot steps
03:19:31 <Avatar> everything before that doesn't matter
03:19:34 <Steven> run into a fireball
03:19:37 <Avatar> or is that what they had problems with
03:19:37 <Steven> they heal up
03:19:42 <Steven> come downstairs
03:19:53 <Steven> i tell them to move where ever they want their characters to move
03:20:10 <Steven> ONE guy was like we're in fireball formation, imma move over this way
03:20:17 <Steven> i waited 10 full seconds
03:20:36 <Steven> and i was like out of the mouth of the statue shoots a bead of fire(nobody was in range for color spray)
03:21:19 <Steven> roll damage, 29 damage.. 2 people sucking dirt
03:21:23 <Steven> and other people hurting a lot
03:22:00 <Steven> I killed 1 person when i should have killed 5 people...
03:33:17 <Steven> alright
03:33:24 <Steven> i think im going to go play d3
03:34:05 <Steven> the one person i did kill died from a flaming sphere
03:34:35 <Mekkis> I'm unconvinced by every ACG class
03:34:51 <Steven> after everyone who was living ran out of the room
03:34:54 <Steven> or was dragged out
03:35:02 <Steven> so the flaming sphere just sat in the persons square
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03:36:35 <Mekkis> who here is actually on bigpond?
03:36:58 <Mekkis> hmmm...
03:36:59 <Mekkis> noone
03:37:04 <Mekkis> I think Ulzef is
03:38:25 <Steven> i'd have thought you'd have added your thoughts to the playtest forums not whine about it months after it was over.
03:38:41 <Brunius> It's not about who is currently on bigpond
03:38:45 <Brunius> But the effect on new players
03:39:24 <s_gmusic> wow....
03:40:45 <Mekkis> Steven, I felt that my criticism wasn't constructive
03:41:47 <Mekkis> I don't think "We really don't need any new classes. I suggest you scrap the idea and instead clarify some of the rules that really need clarification - and work on fixing some of the balance issues" would be appreciated.
03:42:34 <Steven> well you should have said that...
03:42:44 <Mekkis> seriously?
03:43:13 <Mekkis> even I can see that that would be unconstructive
03:43:30 <Mekkis> is this a Ballig I see before me?
03:44:12 <Steven> well paizo listens to their player base a fair bit, im sure they would have read it and completely disregarded it in pursuit of profits.
03:44:53 <Mekkis> and I can understand that
03:46:08 <Mekkis> they are a company, and they do need profits
03:47:10 <Steven> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qr6u?ShakaUVMs-guide-to-playing-a-Necromancer-in-PFS
03:47:10 <Steven> that guys guide makes for a really boring necromancer imo
03:49:17 <Steven> yup
03:49:42 <Steven> yeah it was somebody who came over from the moscow store
03:49:46 <Mekkis> Steven, in the context of 'creative solutions', how do you handle the use of the Diplomacy skill?
03:50:01 <Steven> blah
03:50:01 <Steven> where they softball so much its not even funny.
03:50:13 <Steven> i hate when my internet connectivity drops out
03:50:39 <Steven> however i want
03:50:50 <Steven> i'm a free spirit man, cant bind me with rules!
03:51:53 <Steven> "Oh, i attacked you last turn, well let me move over to the other player and attack them. the movement will provoke go ahead and take your AoO..."
03:52:03 <Steven> "Well damn you killed the bad guy..."
03:53:18 <Mekkis> For example, in Godsmarket Gamble, would you allow a sufficient check to turn the final boss from Hostile to Indifferent, followed by another check to convince the final boss to surrender?
03:54:33 <Steven> nah that bitch gotta go down!
03:56:24 <Mekkis> and as a GM, why would you rule that way?
03:56:38 <Steven> cause im not caring about this conversation.
03:56:41 <Brunius> Just gonna jump in here
03:56:49 <Brunius> That's meant to be a climatic final battle isn't it
03:56:59 <Mekkis> yes and no
03:57:09 <Brunius> If one player can go "I have +30 to diplomacy, I tell her we're bitchin' and she surrenders" that kind of wrecks it
03:57:43 <Mekkis> true htat
03:57:59 <Mekkis> tanks, Brunius?
03:58:28 <Brunius> Mekkis, I'm launching a communications network for a race of little green men with strangely cylindrical heads!
04:00:23 <Steven> so seriously what could a person say that would convince that chick to stop fighting?
04:04:29 <s_gmusic> : |
04:07:25 <Avatar> comment
04:07:51 <Mekkis> "Look, Parani, we know everything that you've done; and we know that you've been a successful member of the Greycloaks. The fact is: if you keep shooting us, there's no way that you will leave Absalom alive, and you will end up wherever the godless go. Should you surrender, we will ensure that you receive a fair trial, and that you are protected from those who are wrathful to you. We are Pathfinders, who would have use for someone of your obvious talent
04:07:52 <Mekkis> s in obtaining artefacts.
04:08:30 <Steven> nah shes still gonna try to kill you.
04:11:43 <glacier> hi guys
04:11:46 <glacier> party hard guys
04:13:08 <Steven> no exaggeration
04:28:59 <Avatar> I really should read up on the rules for dragging
04:29:08 <Avatar> I feel like it may be an underestimated combat maneuver
04:30:07 <Steven> its pretty awesome
04:30:44 <s_gmusic> happy day. my copy of Inner Sea Magic came in, and someone gave me a copy of the Inner Sea World guide.
04:31:27 <Steven> alright, going to go play some d3
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05:27:18 <Phly> hello
05:29:11 <Mekkis> hey
05:30:18 <Phly> Been a long time since i've been around here, maybe about two years
05:31:36 <Mekkis> Steven, what about simply offering her sanctuary and wealth with the Pathfinder Society?
05:34:08 <Steven> she wouldnt believe it.
05:35:09 <Mekkis> so you're saying there'd be no way - short of a /charm person/ - to talk her out of attacking?
05:35:19 <Steven> no possible way.
05:36:37 <Steven> alright goin to play the mighty quest for epic loot
05:36:59 <Mekkis> Brunius, Avatar: would you agree?
05:37:49 <Brunius> I'd think it'd be situational
05:37:59 <Brunius> Most of the time, I wouldn't allow it.
05:39:14 <Mekkis> what if they had the ability to make diplomacy checks as a standard action?
05:45:02 <Steven> its verifying files.... blah
05:53:36 <Mekkis> Steven, would a supernatural ability to make diplomacy checks as a standard action change this?
05:58:36 <Avatar> umm
05:58:46 <Avatar> the "you can't diplomacise in combat" rule aside
05:59:00 <Avatar> you need to be super smart about that kind of thing
05:59:17 <Avatar> a +30 to diplomacy with we're bitching is obviously the opposite of that
05:59:23 <Avatar> I assume that's not what you're talking about
05:59:30 <Mekkis> technically you can, you just need to spend One Minute of continuous interaction
05:59:45 <Avatar> but what you think is a fantastic creative solution and what actually is a fantastic creative solution may be two different things
06:00:20 <Mekkis> I'm trying to work out of a diplomacy-based character would work
06:00:28 <Avatar> if you want to try it, I'd say try it, but know the point where you know diplomacy isn't going to be an option
06:00:33 <Mekkis> who could Actually talk his way out of combat situations
06:00:45 <Avatar> a rogue?
06:01:20 <Mekkis> more likely a paladin or cleric
06:01:35 <Mekkis> actually... Kernigahn could try that
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06:03:40 <Avatar> you can't really diplomacise an ooze
06:03:58 <Avatar> you know, for example
06:08:52 <Mekkis> !spell dream
06:08:58 <diebot> Mekkis, DREAM illusion (phantasm[mind-affecting]) bard 5, sorcerer/wizard 5, alchemist 5 1 minute Range: unlimited one living creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: see text Save: none SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
06:08:58 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/dream.html
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06:29:54 <Avatar> what do you guys think of the rpg superstar module pitches
06:32:54 <s_gmusic> I haven't looked at anything related to superstar. :\
06:42:32 <s_gmusic> is there good stuff there or junk?
06:46:17 <Avatar> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/portals-physics-engine-rebuilt-in-25kb-on-a-graphing-calculator/
06:47:33 <Steven> so hot in my house
06:49:39 <Mekkis> first sentence is WRONG
06:50:16 <Mekkis> TI83, TI84 can easily run applications with 100k of code
06:56:37 <Mekkis> oh wow
06:56:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, do any of your characters worship Erastil?
07:14:48 <Steven> erastil pretty cool dude... you know... for a god who doesnt like whores.
07:25:19 <s_gmusic> wonder how many ways there are to become a Venture Captain in-game. I know of one, but not sure if there's others.
07:27:21 <Steven> there is 1
07:28:24 <Mekkis> matches a lot of the population
07:28:53 <s_gmusic> so only one.... and I think I already blew my chances at it. blarg. :(
07:58:15 <Mekkis_T41> http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story#axzz2v1X0Ct00
08:24:09 <Steven> maybe when the next part comes out.
08:28:55 <s_gmusic> bonekeep, you mean? I'll have to take a look at that.
08:29:18 <Steven> why would i mean bonekeep?
08:29:25 <s_gmusic> idunno.
08:29:46 <s_gmusic> tired and trying to frankenstein together a way to run apple apps on my android tablet
08:30:15 <Steven> i cant wait till my wizard becomes a VC
08:30:51 <Steven> Venture Captain Ahtuz, Signifier of Cheliax, Gluttonous Necromancer of Geb.
08:31:31 <s_gmusic> heh.
08:32:03 <s_gmusic> I only wanted to get VC on a character for the new character thing.
08:34:49 <Steven> well that boon is not related to being the VC.
08:35:26 <s_gmusic> did I misread it?
08:36:42 <s_gmusic> the protege thing reads like it's part of the vc boon
08:36:46 <Steven> oh damn it is.
08:36:51 <Steven> well aint that a bitch and a half.
08:38:20 <s_gmusic> :(
08:38:42 <Steven> well my suggestion is to GM it.
08:38:59 <Steven> my VC bought the lodge
08:39:57 <Steven> its really quite broken
08:42:49 <Steven> i got mine for 17 Prestige
08:43:34 <s_gmusic> how'd you manage to reduce it by 8?
08:44:23 <Steven> boon
08:44:43 <s_gmusic> another one? I know having the title makes it 25 instead of 50.
08:45:17 <Steven> yup another one
08:45:32 <s_gmusic> oh well
08:47:36 <Steven> last adventure i got 2 Lookouts and a Foreign Contact
08:47:59 <Steven> lookouts kept guard while i slept
08:48:15 <Steven> two rolls at 1d20+16 Perception
08:48:24 <Steven> i was not surprised during combat
08:49:17 <Steven> pretty awesome 4PP
08:51:42 <Steven> alright goin to sleep
08:56:37 <s_gmusic> g'night
15:49:28 <Avatar> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/portals-physics-engine-rebuilt-in-25kb-on-a-graphing-calculator/
15:52:50 <Mekkis> first sentence is WRONG
15:53:27 <Mekkis> TI83, TI84 can easily run applications with 100k of code
16:03:36 <Avatar> comment
17:10:39 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: Sat 15th 3pm || SS: Sun 16th 9am || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
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17:11:07 <Mekkis> well.. TI83 can't. TI83+ can
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19:08:31 <glacier> hi guys
19:08:37 <glacier> party hard guys
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20:24:05 <Phly> hello
20:25:59 <Mekkis> hey
20:27:06 <Phly> Been a long time since i've been around here, maybe about two years
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