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00:24 * SoupNazi slaps Warren1984 around a bit with a large trout
02:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> at last it has arrived: Son.of.Frankenstein.1939.1080p.BluRay.x264-SiNNERS.mkv
02:52 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> at last it has arrived: Son.of.Frankenstein.1939.1080p.BluRay.x264-SiNNERS.mkv
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30:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> there were goth girls as far back as 1935: http://www.bellazon.com/main/uploads/monthly_04_2011/post-37737-1303009918.jpg
30:54 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> there were goth girls as far back as 1935: http://www.bellazon.com/main/uploads/monthly_04_2011/post-37737-1303009918.jpg
36:00 <Mx_Trump> anotherirc3r's grandma was a goth
36:00 <Mx_Trump> that is where she gets it from
36:23 <Mx_Trump> anotherirc3r's grandma was a goth
36:31 <Mx_Trump> that is where she gets it from
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45:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I wonder what goths listened to in 1935?  perhaps Mussogorski's Night on Bald Mountain
45:35 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I wonder what goths listened to in 1935? perhaps Mussogorski's Night on Bald Mountain
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32:00 <anotherirc3r> my grandma hated the fact i was goth
32:08 <anotherirc3r> my grandma hated the fact i was goth
34:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> did she want you to be a punk instead?
34:00 <anotherirc3r> hahaha
34:38 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> did she want you to be a punk instead?
34:49 <anotherirc3r> hahaha
35:00 <anotherirc3r> definitely not
35:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what sorts of things would she say?
35:00 <anotherirc3r> oh, nothing.. she was too nice for that
35:00 <anotherirc3r> just look at my clothes/collar with distaste
35:01 <anotherirc3r> definitely not
35:27 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what sorts of things would she say?
35:45 <anotherirc3r> oh, nothing.. she was too nice for that
35:57 <anotherirc3r> just look at my clothes/collar with distaste
36:00 <Mx_Trump> undressing you with her eyes
36:43 <Mx_Trump> undressing you with her eyes
37:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> did she say passive aggressive things like "Robert Smith is such a whining sook."
37:00 <anotherirc3r> no.. i was a bitch though. i'd ask her if she liked my collar
37:00 <anotherirc3r> and she'd say 'yes, dear'
37:04 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> did she say passive aggressive things like "Robert Smith is such a whining sook."
37:32 <anotherirc3r> no.. i was a bitch though. i'd ask her if she liked my collar
37:36 <anotherirc3r> and she'd say 'yes, dear'
40:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> she should've said "It's all fun and games now, but just wait till fat lesbian SJWs start dressing like that too."
40:00 <anotherirc3r> SJWs?
40:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> social justice warrior
40:00 <anotherirc3r> hahaha
40:13 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> she should've said "It's all fun and games now, but just wait till fat lesbian SJWs start dressing like that too."
40:38 <anotherirc3r> SJWs?
40:51 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> social justice warrior
40:56 <anotherirc3r> hahaha
41:00 <anotherirc3r> she would love you
41:00 <anotherirc3r> she was one of those types that would feed you heaps
41:00 <anotherirc3r> and would be insulted if you didn't eat everything
41:01 <anotherirc3r> she would love you
41:11 <anotherirc3r> she was one of those types that would feed you heaps
41:19 <anotherirc3r> and would be insulted if you didn't eat everything
42:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I get out of that by just saying I'm a vegetarian, which is true
42:14 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I get out of that by just saying I'm a vegetarian, which is true
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45:00 <Warren1984> can you hear a clip clop noise in this song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntGTK2Fhb0
45:00 <progressive> [ Skrillex and Diplo - "Where Are Ü Now" with Justin Bieber (Official Video) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
45:38 <Warren1984> can you hear a clip clop noise in this song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntGTK2Fhb0
45:38 <progressive> [ Skrillex and Diplo - "Where Are Ü Now" with Justin Bieber (Official Video) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
46:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Skrillex and Bieber, together at last
46:00 <anotherirc3r> ewwww.. why?
46:10 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Skrillex and Bieber, together at last
46:37 <anotherirc3r> ewwww.. why?
47:00 <Warren1984> just sounds like a horse noise
47:52 <Warren1984> just sounds like a horse noise
48:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I can hear no horses
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48:42 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I can hear no horses
49:00 <Warren1984> must be my imagination
49:00 <xm> this song has been out for a while, i dont mind it, but if you freeze frame a lot of it you see a lot of Satanic references
49:22 <Warren1984> must be my imagination
49:33 <xm> this song has been out for a while, i dont mind it, but if you freeze frame a lot of it you see a lot of Satanic references
51:00 <xm> http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/justin-biebers-where-are-u-now-is-full-of-quickly-flashing-illuminati-imagery/
51:00 <progressive> [ Justin Bieber's "Where Are U Now" is Full of Quickly Flashing Illuminati Imagery - The Vigilant Citizen ] - vigilantcitizen.com
51:40 <xm> http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/justin-biebers-where-are-u-now-is-full-of-quickly-flashing-illuminati-imagery/
51:41 <progressive> [ Justin Bieber's "Where Are U Now" is Full of Quickly Flashing Illuminati Imagery - The Vigilant Citizen ] - vigilantcitizen.com
52:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> that it has Bieber and Skrillex is already proof that it's the work of Satan
52:00 <xm> hahaha
52:00 <xm> im not sure what to think of Bieber's Christianity
52:00 <xm> although i certainly think hating on him is a bit faddish
52:15 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> that it has Bieber and Skrillex is already proof that it's the work of Satan
52:30 <xm> hahaha
52:47 <xm> im not sure what to think of Bieber's Christianity
53:00 <xm> although i certainly think hating on him is a bit faddish
53:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> his mother is the Christian one, and first chance he got he ran in the other direction
53:00 <xm> i was listening to a Kurt Cobain interview before, he was saying a lot of feminist stuff and seemed borderline homo
53:29 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> his mother is the Christian one, and first chance he got he ran in the other direction
53:44 <xm> i was listening to a Kurt Cobain interview before, he was saying a lot of feminist stuff and seemed borderline homo
54:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes, I've read that he was a sort of a proto SJW fag
54:00 <xm> he had an interesting quote though about his parents divorcing, that all he wanted was a normal family with a mother and father. not quite something same-sex parents can provide
54:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> he got with Courtney, who was much older, and had a huge reputation for being a slut, so definitely omega
54:00 <xm> his parents divorced when he was young and it had a profound effect on him
54:00 <Warren1984> good night all
54:02 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes, I've read that he was a sort of a proto SJW fag
54:34 <xm> he had an interesting quote though about his parents divorcing, that all he wanted was a normal family with a mother and father. not quite something same-sex parents can provide
54:53 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> he got with Courtney, who was much older, and had a huge reputation for being a slut, so definitely omega
54:56 <xm> his parents divorced when he was young and it had a profound effect on him
55:00 <Warren1984> good night all
55:00 <xm> yeah i got strong omega vibes from him
55:00 <xm> i read how he was frightened of Courtney and would lock himself in a room away
55:00 <xm> i should watch that Courtney conspiracy documentary to see if it holds any water
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55:06 <xm> yeah i got strong omega vibes from him
55:25 <xm> i read how he was frightened of Courtney and would lock himself in a room away
55:48 <xm> i should watch that Courtney conspiracy documentary to see if it holds any water
57:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> it gives you an idea of how omega he was, that he could lead the most popular band in the world at the time, yet be with a washed up old slut, then kill himself
57:00 <xm> speaking of women, there is a cute glasses wearing Russian intern at an office nearby me
57:00 <xm> i believe she is at uni most other days
57:00 <xm> do many Russian women are called Anna
57:00 <xm> yes, i only watched that interview on Kurt because i find it intriguing how someone so successful could end his own life
57:01 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> it gives you an idea of how omega he was, that he could lead the most popular band in the world at the time, yet be with a washed up old slut, then kill himself
57:10 <xm> speaking of women, there is a cute glasses wearing Russian intern at an office nearby me
57:19 <xm> i believe she is at uni most other days
57:27 <xm> do many Russian women are called Anna
57:57 <xm> yes, i only watched that interview on Kurt because i find it intriguing how someone so successful could end his own life
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58:00 <xm> do many/so many*
58:06 <xm> do many/so many*
02:00 <xm> there's jsut something fascinating about suicide
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02:16 <xm> there's jsut something fascinating about suicide
03:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> maybe he had a vision of the future of him being a judge on a singing show, so decided death now was better
03:14 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> maybe he had a vision of the future of him being a judge on a singing show, so decided death now was better
04:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkYN1OSWUjc <--- watching this video again and am amused but want to laugh at the same time
04:00 <progressive> [ Loverush UK! Feat Shelley Harland - Different World ( LoverushUK! 2010 Radio Edit ) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
04:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I love that video
04:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I like the yeke yeke song more though
04:32 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkYN1OSWUjc <--- watching this video again and am amused but want to laugh at the same time
04:33 <progressive> [ Loverush UK! Feat Shelley Harland - Different World ( LoverushUK! 2010 Radio Edit ) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
04:43 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I love that video
05:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I like the yeke yeke song more though
05:00 <xm> yeke yeke is also funny
05:00 <DefamedPrawn> is that your preferred genre of music PickUpTheSoapJerome ?
05:00 <DefamedPrawn> just asking.
05:30 <xm> yeke yeke is also funny
05:43 <DefamedPrawn> is that your preferred genre of music PickUpTheSoapJerome ?
05:55 <DefamedPrawn> just asking.
06:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> to which genre do you refer?
06:00 <DefamedPrawn> hard to pin it down
06:00 <DefamedPrawn> like classical music, like Bach, a lot of classical guitar music Barrios
06:00 <DefamedPrawn> I like blues
06:00 <DefamedPrawn> like gypsy jazz, django reinhardt stuff
06:00 <DefamedPrawn> like a bit of everything
06:00 <xm> gypsy jazz?
06:00 <xm> is there a lot of violin?
06:03 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> to which genre do you refer?
06:10 <DefamedPrawn> hard to pin it down
06:25 <DefamedPrawn> like classical music, like Bach, a lot of classical guitar music Barrios
06:27 <DefamedPrawn> I like blues
06:40 <DefamedPrawn> like gypsy jazz, django reinhardt stuff
06:49 <DefamedPrawn> like a bit of everything
06:50 <xm> gypsy jazz?
06:57 <xm> is there a lot of violin?
07:00 <xm> i wonder how the nomadic gypsies carry a large piano around
07:00 <DefamedPrawn> even electronic if it's good, e.g Aphex Twin
07:00 <DefamedPrawn> so help me, sometimes I even don't mind of country music, as long as it's not too whiney.
07:14 <xm> i wonder how the nomadic gypsies carry a large piano around
07:19 <DefamedPrawn> even electronic if it's good, e.g Aphex Twin
07:42 <DefamedPrawn> so help me, sometimes I even don't mind of country music, as long as it's not too whiney.
08:00 <xm> i like the Aphex Twin guy, kanye blatantly ripped a sample off him, yet his response was only to help him by providing a higher quality sample for free. Kayne's team responded by saying they created it themselves of course
08:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> in classical I like early composers like Perotin, Hildegard von Bingen, Thomas Tallis, etc., some baroque, then skipping to modern eastern European composers
08:00 <DefamedPrawn> xm yeah gypsy jazz was pionered by guitarist Django Reinhardt, and a crazy crazy fiddler named Steffan Grapelli
08:00 <xm> ive heard of Grapelli
08:00 <DefamedPrawn> lots of recordings of those guys improvising and having mad fun
08:17 <xm> i like the Aphex Twin guy, kanye blatantly ripped a sample off him, yet his response was only to help him by providing a higher quality sample for free. Kayne's team responded by saying they created it themselves of course
08:28 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> in classical I like early composers like Perotin, Hildegard von Bingen, Thomas Tallis, etc., some baroque, then skipping to modern eastern European composers
08:34 <DefamedPrawn> xm yeah gypsy jazz was pionered by guitarist Django Reinhardt, and a crazy crazy fiddler named Steffan Grapelli
08:46 <xm> ive heard of Grapelli
08:54 <DefamedPrawn> lots of recordings of those guys improvising and having mad fun
09:00 <DefamedPrawn> have you heard of Agustin Barrios PickUpTheSoapJerome ?
09:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> no I don't think so
09:00 <DefamedPrawn> Paraguayan guitarist from the early 20th
09:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> ah no, definitely wouldn't have heard of him
09:24 <DefamedPrawn> have you heard of Agustin Barrios PickUpTheSoapJerome ?
09:35 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> no I don't think so
09:37 <DefamedPrawn> Paraguayan guitarist from the early 20th
09:52 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> ah no, definitely wouldn't have heard of him
10:00 <DefamedPrawn> John Christopher Williams was pivotal in reviving his compositions
10:00 <DefamedPrawn> but I wouldn't say I'm a snob for any genre. Try to listen to everything.
10:02 <DefamedPrawn> John Christopher Williams was pivotal in reviving his compositions
10:40 <DefamedPrawn> but I wouldn't say I'm a snob for any genre. Try to listen to everything.
13:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> one of my favourites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKWvUJII0lo
13:00 <progressive> [ ATB - Love will find you (with Heather Nova) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
13:06 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> one of my favourites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKWvUJII0lo
13:06 <progressive> [ ATB - Love will find you (with Heather Nova) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
14:00 <DefamedPrawn> 'snot bad
14:00 <DefamedPrawn> lately been listening to a band called the Electric Six at home
14:08 <DefamedPrawn> 'snot bad
14:25 <DefamedPrawn> lately been listening to a band called the Electric Six at home
15:00 <DefamedPrawn> good rock'n'roll, if a bit peverted
15:24 <DefamedPrawn> good rock'n'roll, if a bit peverted
16:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> perverted how?
16:13 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> perverted how?
17:00 <DefamedPrawn> well "perverted" is actually a bit strong, I'll wind that back a little
17:00 <DefamedPrawn> but it's all unashamedly about sex
17:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> filth
17:15 <DefamedPrawn> well "perverted" is actually a bit strong, I'll wind that back a little
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17:30 <DefamedPrawn> but it's all unashamedly about sex
17:48 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> filth
18:00 <DefamedPrawn> yeah. It's quite good.
18:00 <DefamedPrawn> I'd have to say their songs are mostly either about dancing, or having sex.
18:00 <DefamedPrawn> a bit like the original rock'n'roll music really
18:03 <DefamedPrawn> yeah. It's quite good.
18:26 <DefamedPrawn> I'd have to say their songs are mostly either about dancing, or having sex.
18:41 <DefamedPrawn> a bit like the original rock'n'roll music really
19:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what is original rock and roll?
19:41 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what is original rock and roll?
20:00 <DefamedPrawn> well I've heard that the term "rock'n'roll" was originally slang for sex
20:54 <DefamedPrawn> well I've heard that the term "rock'n'roll" was originally slang for sex
21:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> my favourite story like that is that KISS stands for Knights in Satan Service
21:47 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> my favourite story like that is that KISS stands for Knights in Satan Service
23:00 <xm> one of the first things i read about KISS as a kid was that during concerts they'd spit out real blood
23:12 <xm> one of the first things i read about KISS as a kid was that during concerts they'd spit out real blood
24:00 <DefamedPrawn> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=rock+and+roll
24:00 <progressive> [ Online Etymology Dictionary ] - www.etymonline.com
24:22 <DefamedPrawn> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=rock+and+roll
24:22 <progressive> [ Online Etymology Dictionary ] - www.etymonline.com
25:00 <DefamedPrawn> that's what I think the early rock'n'roll was about. Blues based music, but instead of songs about suffering, it was about having a good time.
25:00 <DefamedPrawn> that's my hypothesis anyway
25:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I don't know
25:16 <DefamedPrawn> that's what I think the early rock'n'roll was about. Blues based music, but instead of songs about suffering, it was about having a good time.
25:28 <DefamedPrawn> that's my hypothesis anyway
25:49 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I don't know
26:00 <DefamedPrawn> neither do I really
26:00 <DefamedPrawn> never embarked on a study of it. That's just my idle supposition on the matter.
26:14 <DefamedPrawn> neither do I really
26:34 <DefamedPrawn> never embarked on a study of it. That's just my idle supposition on the matter.
28:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> from 1934: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b5oWwFUhN0
28:00 <progressive> [ Rock and Roll - the Boswell Sisters - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
28:00 <DefamedPrawn> :)
28:35 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> from 1934: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b5oWwFUhN0
28:35 <progressive> [ Rock and Roll - the Boswell Sisters - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
28:56 <DefamedPrawn> :)
31:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I once heard a CD of secular music from Italy during the Renaissance, and my main impression is that it sounded pretty much like a modern indie band
31:00 <DefamedPrawn> sounds interesting
31:15 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I once heard a CD of secular music from Italy during the Renaissance, and my main impression is that it sounded pretty much like a modern indie band
31:54 <DefamedPrawn> sounds interesting
32:00 <xm> adam shaw 4 months ago WOW that sound they make at 1:50 to 1:57 is just amazing?
32:00 <xm> how they make it is beyond me!
32:00 <xm> lol
32:00 <xm> The Boswells are definitely one of my favorites!
32:00 <xm> ...
32:27 <xm> adam shaw 4 months ago WOW that sound they make at 1:50 to 1:57 is just amazing?
32:30 <xm> how they make it is beyond me!
32:31 <xm> lol
32:34 <xm> The Boswells are definitely one of my favorites!
32:36 <xm> ...
33:00 <xm> this is one of my favourite old songs
33:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gfZwejPv8
33:00 <progressive> [ If I Knew You Were Comin' I'd've Baked a Cake Eileen Barton - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
33:00 <xm> it's interesting how a lot of old songs were very short
33:00 <xm> now radio is 3-4 mins, and electronic is far more
33:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes, 2-3 minutes was the norm back then
33:15 <xm> this is one of my favourite old songs
33:18 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gfZwejPv8
33:18 <progressive> [ If I Knew You Were Comin' I'd've Baked a Cake Eileen Barton - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
33:28 <xm> it's interesting how a lot of old songs were very short
33:37 <xm> now radio is 3-4 mins, and electronic is far more
33:46 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes, 2-3 minutes was the norm back then
35:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> the Jesus and Mary Chain used to refuse to do performances of more than 20 minutes, because rock music is so boring why would anyone want more than that?
35:29 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> the Jesus and Mary Chain used to refuse to do performances of more than 20 minutes, because rock music is so boring why would anyone want more than that?
37:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdT_0teZW_c <--- i like the epic sounding songs of back then
37:00 <progressive> [ The Exodus Song (Pat Boone) (1960 original version) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
37:00 <xm> a shame there is no more
37:52 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdT_0teZW_c <--- i like the epic sounding songs of back then
37:52 <progressive> [ The Exodus Song (Pat Boone) (1960 original version) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
37:55 <xm> a shame there is no more
39:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> play it to Palestinians on the other side of the wall
39:33 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> play it to Palestinians on the other side of the wall
41:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHpmn-KYec
41:00 <progressive> [ A time for us Romeo and Juliet 1968 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
41:00 <xm> the only good thing about the 70s was disco
41:27 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHpmn-KYec
41:27 <progressive> [ A time for us Romeo and Juliet 1968 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
41:58 <xm> the only good thing about the 70s was disco
43:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> for me popular music is pre-1976, and post 1976
43:36 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> for me popular music is pre-1976, and post 1976
44:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> almost everything prior to 1976 is unrelatable to me, hippy stuff and so on
44:14 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> almost everything prior to 1976 is unrelatable to me, hippy stuff and so on
45:00 <xm> even the carpenters?
45:00 <xm> i dont mind them actually
45:00 <xm> but my parents listening to a lot of this daggy stuff has had an influence on me
45:09 <xm> even the carpenters?
45:16 <xm> i dont mind them actually
45:34 <xm> but my parents listening to a lot of this daggy stuff has had an influence on me
47:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I don't really know any of their songs, though I'm sure I've heard some
47:09 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I don't really know any of their songs, though I'm sure I've heard some
48:00 <xm> even their happiest songs have an element of melancholy to it, perhaps it is Karen because she was a depressed anoreix
48:01 <xm> even their happiest songs have an element of melancholy to it, perhaps it is Karen because she was a depressed anoreix
50:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I have a theory of popular music and generational attitudes, that some emotions are largely absent in one generation, while being very strong in another
50:51 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I have a theory of popular music and generational attitudes, that some emotions are largely absent in one generation, while being very strong in another
51:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> and the music reflects this, and styles evolve to encapsulate these generational emotions
51:31 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> and the music reflects this, and styles evolve to encapsulate these generational emotions
52:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hence why it's often the case that it's impossible to relate to the music of another generation, the emotions within are too alien
52:17 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hence why it's often the case that it's impossible to relate to the music of another generation, the emotions within are too alien
53:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> and also why it's a futile task to try and create a career out of doing some old style of music, the emotional dimensions of it are not easy to replicate, a 'you had to be there' thing
53:47 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> and also why it's a futile task to try and create a career out of doing some old style of music, the emotional dimensions of it are not easy to replicate, a 'you had to be there' thing
56:00 <xm> i cant relate to popular music of early 20th century. it's only around the 1960 mark that i can
56:00 <xm> much of the 70s rock is lost on me
56:00 <xm> also Beatles bore me to death, but a few people are willing to die over it
56:27 <xm> i cant relate to popular music of early 20th century. it's only around the 1960 mark that i can
56:33 <xm> much of the 70s rock is lost on me
56:49 <xm> also Beatles bore me to death, but a few people are willing to die over it
58:00 <xm> there seems to be a few artists or "artists" like Richard Clayderman, Andre Rien that transcend culture and time, a lot of Asians and Europeans (30-70 etc) enjoy it
58:01 <xm> there seems to be a few artists or "artists" like Richard Clayderman, Andre Rien that transcend culture and time, a lot of Asians and Europeans (30-70 etc) enjoy it
59:00 <xm> virtually all Africans i know of only like contemporary stuff or the oldest they get is old jazz
59:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hippy stuff like the Beatles I've never understood, and I'm quite shocked anyone could like them
59:00 <xm> although i once went to a violin concert with an African 
59:38 <xm> virtually all Africans i know of only like contemporary stuff or the oldest they get is old jazz
59:47 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hippy stuff like the Beatles I've never understood, and I'm quite shocked anyone could like them
59:53 <xm> although i once went to a violin concert with an African
00:00 <xm> there are a few OK Beatles songs but they get boring fast
00:16 <xm> there are a few OK Beatles songs but they get boring fast
01:00 <xm> there are now and then attempts to revive old genres like disco, progressive rock etc but ive never seen it attempted with grunge
01:00 <xm> grunge is really an angry person's genre
01:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> real disco is too hard to revive
01:07 <xm> there are now and then attempts to revive old genres like disco, progressive rock etc but ive never seen it attempted with grunge
01:28 <xm> grunge is really an angry person's genre
01:33 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> real disco is too hard to revive
02:00 <xm> yeah they use the word disco in the subgenres but it isnt quite the same, especially with the vocals
02:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> the skillset for disco is one of those things that once lost, is nearly impossible to regain
02:00 <xm> sounds like a wager
02:00 <xm> ill have to attempt it one time
02:17 <xm> yeah they use the word disco in the subgenres but it isnt quite the same, especially with the vocals
02:18 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> the skillset for disco is one of those things that once lost, is nearly impossible to regain
02:29 <xm> sounds like a wager
02:34 <xm> ill have to attempt it one time
04:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> in contrast punk is very easy to recreate, which is why so many do it
04:28 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> in contrast punk is very easy to recreate, which is why so many do it
05:00 <xm> http://www.austin.net.au/dell-p2815q-28-uhd-4k-monitor.html
05:00 <xm> might get that for myself on my birthday
05:00 <progressive> [ Dell P2815Q 28" UHD 4K Monitor for sale online ] - www.austin.net.au
05:00 <xm> the music program ive gone back to, Reason, not Apple's Logic, works fine on this laptop
05:07 <xm> http://www.austin.net.au/dell-p2815q-28-uhd-4k-monitor.html
05:14 <xm> might get that for myself on my birthday
05:14 <progressive> [ Dell P2815Q 28" UHD 4K Monitor for sale online ] - www.austin.net.au
05:56 <xm> the music program ive gone back to, Reason, not Apple's Logic, works fine on this laptop
06:00 <xm> so ill wait for another time to get a Windows PC
06:07 <xm> so ill wait for another time to get a Windows PC
07:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I never expected it to be so cheap
07:00 <xm> yeah, i can live with that it's "only" 28"
07:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I was expecting $1000+
07:16 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I never expected it to be so cheap
07:44 <xm> yeah, i can live with that it's "only" 28"
07:53 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I was expecting $1000+
08:00 <xm> i have two other 27" here anyway plus the retina display fromthe macbook
08:00 <xm> i could do away with 1 or even 2 of those monitors
08:00 <xm> might move this into the bedroom and connect it to the Pi 2
08:00 <xm> the extra monitor that is
08:06 <xm> i have two other 27" here anyway plus the retina display fromthe macbook
08:17 <xm> i could do away with 1 or even 2 of those monitors
08:39 <xm> might move this into the bedroom and connect it to the Pi 2
08:48 <xm> the extra monitor that is
09:00 <xm> hmmm it should play 1080p fine i assume
09:00 <xm> also, it can run a stripped down version of Win 10 so i wonder what Windows software i can get on it
09:06 <xm> hmmm it should play 1080p fine i assume
09:35 <xm> also, it can run a stripped down version of Win 10 so i wonder what Windows software i can get on it
11:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I assume it is some variation of Windows RT
11:36 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I assume it is some variation of Windows RT
14:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> ah, Win 10 for IoT
14:00 <anotherirc3r> ninights
14:14 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> ah, Win 10 for IoT
14:58 <anotherirc3r> ninights
15:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> night anotherirc3r 
15:00 <anotherirc3r> night Tigger!
15:15 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> night anotherirc3r
15:39 <anotherirc3r> night Tigger!
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19:00 <xm> i wonder if i can run Hexchat on it?
19:00 <xm> then again i could run x-chat on Linux
19:22 <xm> i wonder if i can run Hexchat on it?
19:29 <xm> then again i could run x-chat on Linux
50:00 <xm> just clicked on 27 torrents, roughly 200GB worth of music production samples. just for fun, i probably wont use it
50:00 <xm> nite
50:11 <xm> just clicked on 27 torrents, roughly 200GB worth of music production samples. just for fun, i probably wont use it
50:14 <xm> nite
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16:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hi Warren1984 
16:20 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hi Warren1984
26:00 <Warren1984> hey tigger
26:00 <Warren1984> how is clip clop
26:16 <Warren1984> hey tigger
26:28 <Warren1984> how is clip clop
27:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> he is off visiting Hee Haw today, since it's Monday
27:00 <Warren1984> does he usually visit Hee Haw on Mondays?
27:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes
27:10 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> he is off visiting Hee Haw today, since it's Monday
27:43 <Warren1984> does he usually visit Hee Haw on Mondays?
27:58 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes
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06:00 <Warren1984> why doesn't the owner rename him to He Whore
06:00 <Warren1984> because he gets lots of ladies
06:05 <Warren1984> why doesn't the owner rename him to He Whore
06:26 <Warren1984> because he gets lots of ladies
07:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> because that's not what a good Christian does
07:15 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> because that's not what a good Christian does
21:00 <Warren1984> I am having trouble with remembering all the information for computers and the test is in 2 weeks
21:00 <Abortion> What was it you actually learnt?
21:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> revise another time
21:45 <Warren1984> I am having trouble with remembering all the information for computers and the test is in 2 weeks
21:57 <Abortion> What was it you actually learnt?
22:00 <Warren1984> most likely because the holiday made the days slide past
22:00 <Warren1984> just the basics
22:00 <Warren1984> but it's hard to remember all the details
22:00 <Abortion> Basics of what though
22:00 <Abortion> Internal Busses?
22:00 <Warren1984> i.e. how many pins a CPU has
22:00 <Abortion> that varies...
22:02 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> revise another time
22:09 <Warren1984> most likely because the holiday made the days slide past
22:20 <Warren1984> just the basics
22:28 <Warren1984> but it's hard to remember all the details
22:32 <Abortion> Basics of what though
22:37 <Abortion> Internal Busses?
22:39 <Warren1984> i.e. how many pins a CPU has
22:45 <Abortion> that varies...
23:00 <Warren1984> the different types of RAM and their clock speed
23:00 <Warren1984> exactly
23:00 <Warren1984> but how do I remember the details
23:00 <Abortion> Current Intel mainstream is 1151, Enthusiast is 2011, AMD I don't care, they'll be superceding their slot completely come Zen
23:12 <Warren1984> the different types of RAM and their clock speed
23:18 <Warren1984> exactly
23:25 <Warren1984> but how do I remember the details
23:33 <Abortion> Current Intel mainstream is 1151, Enthusiast is 2011, AMD I don't care, they'll be superceding their slot completely come Zen
24:00 <Abortion> We're up to DDR4, starting at 1866 MHz, current mainstreal intels run up to 2133MHz on their DDR4 (without overclocking)
24:22 <Abortion> We're up to DDR4, starting at 1866 MHz, current mainstreal intels run up to 2133MHz on their DDR4 (without overclocking)
25:00 <Abortion> Though actually they run at half that clock rate, its because they operate on both the leading and trailing edge of the clock pulse, thus the "Double Data Rate"
25:00 <Warren1984> Abortion I understand DDR4 is faster but why do I need to know specifically what the speed is, just to pass a test
25:00 <Abortion> Indeed
25:00 <Abortion> its a pretty silly requirement
25:00 <Warren1984> it's not about remembering it's about understanding
25:00 <Abortion> btw they are in 133MHz steps
25:13 <Abortion> Though actually they run at half that clock rate, its because they operate on both the leading and trailing edge of the clock pulse, thus the "Double Data Rate"
25:30 <Warren1984> Abortion I understand DDR4 is faster but why do I need to know specifically what the speed is, just to pass a test
25:42 <Abortion> Indeed
25:50 <Abortion> its a pretty silly requirement
25:57 <Warren1984> it's not about remembering it's about understanding
26:00 <Abortion> btw they are in 133MHz steps
26:00 <Abortion> because thats how TAFE does things
26:00 <Warren1984> ethanol is 1/2 right
26:00 <Abortion> I don't know what ethanol does
26:00 <Warren1984> you learn more by pulling a computer apart and putting it back together
26:00 <Abortion> ah
26:00 <Warren1984> but you don't learn the theory
26:00 <Abortion> I know plenty of theory too
26:00 <Warren1984> think about this
26:10 <Abortion> because thats how TAFE does things
26:14 <Warren1984> ethanol is 1/2 right
26:30 <Abortion> I don't know what ethanol does
26:30 <Warren1984> you learn more by pulling a computer apart and putting it back together
26:40 <Abortion> ah
26:41 <Warren1984> but you don't learn the theory
26:52 <Abortion> I know plenty of theory too
26:59 <Warren1984> think about this
27:00 <Warren1984> DDR4 has different slots to DDR3 so it won't physically fit in
27:00 <Abortion> yes, it also has more pins
27:00 <Abortion> But the important part is where the notch (the key) is
27:00 <Warren1984> so therefore you don't need to remember the pins
27:00 <Abortion> indeed
27:00 <Abortion> you wouldn't be counting 288 pins by hand anyway
27:26 <Warren1984> DDR4 has different slots to DDR3 so it won't physically fit in
27:33 <Abortion> yes, it also has more pins
27:44 <Abortion> But the important part is where the notch (the key) is
27:50 <Warren1984> so therefore you don't need to remember the pins
27:55 <Abortion> indeed
28:00 <Warren1984> well take your computer case in
28:00 <Warren1984> and ask sales what RAM you need
28:00 <Abortion> Or you'd just look up the Motherboard model and specifications
28:03 <Abortion> you wouldn't be counting 288 pins by hand anyway
28:05 <Warren1984> well take your computer case in
28:14 <Warren1984> and ask sales what RAM you need
29:00 <Abortion> to be fair, processor sockets are identified by pin count
29:01 <Abortion> Or you'd just look up the Motherboard model and specifications
29:33 <Abortion> to be fair, processor sockets are identified by pin count
30:00 <Abortion> Except now there have been two generations of Intel Enthusiast sockets which both have 2011 pins, but the newer is not compatible, so they call it 2011-3
30:00 <Abortion> Do you understand the different types of pin contacts?
30:00 <Abortion> Land Grid Array, Flip Chip Land Grid Array, Ball Grid Array etc?
30:05 <Abortion> Except now there have been two generations of Intel Enthusiast sockets which both have 2011 pins, but the newer is not compatible, so they call it 2011-3
30:22 <Abortion> Do you understand the different types of pin contacts?
30:39 <Abortion> Land Grid Array, Flip Chip Land Grid Array, Ball Grid Array etc?
31:00 <Warren1984> yeah
31:00 <Warren1984> oh I don't know about that
31:41 <Warren1984> yeah
31:52 <Warren1984> oh I don't know about that
32:00 <Abortion> Do you need to?
32:12 <Abortion> Do you need to?
34:00 <Abortion> Do you understand the purpose of Thermal Paste?
34:42 <Abortion> Do you understand the purpose of Thermal Paste?
44:00 <Warren1984> yes
44:00 <Warren1984> because you would be incompetent if you didn't understand why you need to use thermal paste and fry a CPU
44:10 <Warren1984> yes
44:40 <Warren1984> because you would be incompetent if you didn't understand why you need to use thermal paste and fry a CPU
49:00 <Warren1984> I guess if you didn't know the amount of pins for different motherboards and RAMs you may make lots of mistakes
49:00 <Warren1984> esp if you are a mobile technician
49:27 <Warren1984> I guess if you didn't know the amount of pins for different motherboards and RAMs you may make lots of mistakes
49:44 <Warren1984> esp if you are a mobile technician
50:00 <Warren1984> generally though when you buy a new system, everything will automatically be associated
50:00 <Warren1984> for example lets just say that Warren motherboard must have this type of CPU and this type of RAM etc
50:00 <Warren1984> then the computer would automatically print these out as a checklist
50:06 <Warren1984> generally though when you buy a new system, everything will automatically be associated
50:39 <Warren1984> for example lets just say that Warren motherboard must have this type of CPU and this type of RAM etc
50:59 <Warren1984> then the computer would automatically print these out as a checklist
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12:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/donald-trump-says-the-world-would-be-a-better-place-if-saddam-hussein-was-still-in-power/story-fn5tas5k-1227582070258
12:00 <progressive> [ Donald Trump says overthrowing Saddam Hussein was a mistake ] - www.news.com.au
12:37 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/donald-trump-says-the-world-would-be-a-better-place-if-saddam-hussein-was-still-in-power/story-fn5tas5k-1227582070258
12:40 <progressive> [ Donald Trump says overthrowing Saddam Hussein was a mistake ] - www.news.com.au
50:00 <Warren1984> tigger's favourite song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPW5A_JyXCY
50:00 <progressive> [ Robin Schulz - Sugar (feat. Francesco Yates) (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
51:00 <Warren1984> PickUpTheSoapJerome did you try my suggestions to get motivated
51:00 <Warren1984> this is how you motivate yourself
51:01 <Warren1984> tigger's favourite song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPW5A_JyXCY
51:02 <progressive> [ Robin Schulz - Sugar (feat. Francesco Yates) (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
51:35 <Warren1984> PickUpTheSoapJerome did you try my suggestions to get motivated
52:00 <Warren1984> Procrastination
52:00 <Warren1984> Stick to your daily plan.
52:00 <Warren1984> Do things that were put off from the day before.
52:00 <Warren1984> Tackle tough assignments early.
52:00 <Warren1984> Pick interesting paper assignment to avoid boredom.
52:00 <Warren1984> Evaluate choice of major and seek help from advisor or career center.
52:00 <Warren1984> Learn what motivates you.
52:00 <Warren1984> Work before play.
52:00 <Warren1984> Use little rewards throughout the day (e.g., soda break, snacks, telephone calls, visiting a friend).
52:00 <Warren1984> Time breaks to avoid letting a 10-15 minute break turn into 30-45 minutes.
52:00 <Warren1984> Avoid the TV when studying; use this as a reward for finishing or plan studying around a tv break.
52:00 <Warren1984> Give bigger rewards for getting a paper done (e.g., weekend away from campus, game away from home).
52:01 <Warren1984> this is how you motivate yourself
52:03 <Warren1984> Procrastination
52:04 <Warren1984> Stick to your daily plan.
52:04 <Warren1984> Do things that were put off from the day before.
52:04 <Warren1984> Tackle tough assignments early.
52:04 <Warren1984> Pick interesting paper assignment to avoid boredom.
52:04 <Warren1984> Evaluate choice of major and seek help from advisor or career center.
52:04 <Warren1984> Learn what motivates you.
52:04 <Warren1984> Work before play.
52:04 <Warren1984> Use little rewards throughout the day (e.g., soda break, snacks, telephone calls, visiting a friend).
52:04 <Warren1984> Time breaks to avoid letting a 10-15 minute break turn into 30-45 minutes.
52:04 <Warren1984> Avoid the TV when studying; use this as a reward for finishing or plan studying around a tv break.
52:04 <Warren1984> Give bigger rewards for getting a paper done (e.g., weekend away from campus, game away from home).
53:00 <Warren1984> you need something to study as you are an intellectual
53:00 <Warren1984> it's better to get a qualification rather than just purely learn from the internet
53:07 <Warren1984> you need something to study as you are an intellectual
53:50 <Warren1984> it's better to get a qualification rather than just purely learn from the internet
54:00 <Warren1984> because you can get your marks and feedback from the lecturer
54:16 <Warren1984> because you can get your marks and feedback from the lecturer
56:00 <Abortion> Warren1984: I ask that because in a strict sense, you could run without thermal paste with a heatsink
56:00 <Abortion> it wouldn't be very good though
56:45 <Abortion> Warren1984: I ask that because in a strict sense, you could run without thermal paste with a heatsink
56:52 <Abortion> it wouldn't be very good though
57:00 <Abortion> The CPU does throttle when it gets too hot
58:00 <Abortion> If you had no heatsink at all though, it wouldn't throttle fast enough
58:00 <Abortion> the heatsink acts as both a thermal dam as well as dumping it
58:01 <Abortion> The CPU does throttle when it gets too hot
58:12 <Abortion> If you had no heatsink at all though, it wouldn't throttle fast enough
58:32 <Abortion> the heatsink acts as both a thermal dam as well as dumping it
59:00 <Abortion> Dumping the heat
59:00 <Abortion> The thermal paste isn't neccessary, and doing it wrong can do more harm than good
59:00 <Abortion> well for some level of neccessary
59:11 <Abortion> Dumping the heat
59:33 <Abortion> The thermal paste isn't neccessary, and doing it wrong can do more harm than good
00:02 <Abortion> well for some level of neccessary
01:00 <Warren1984> when you purchase a new processor, enough thermal grease is on the heatsink already
01:55 <Warren1984> when you purchase a new processor, enough thermal grease is on the heatsink already
02:00 <Abortion> except for -E series intels and 6000 series K processors, which don't come with heatsinks at all
02:35 <Abortion> except for -E series intels and 6000 series K processors, which don't come with heatsinks at all
06:00 <Abortion> I've redone the thermal grease on my laptop processor, because it had dried out
06:00 <Abortion> That is how thermal grease can go wrong
06:44 <Abortion> I've redone the thermal grease on my laptop processor, because it had dried out
06:59 <Abortion> That is how thermal grease can go wrong
07:00 <Abortion> when it dries out, it can be more of an insulator than bare metal-metal contact
07:00 <Abortion> (or in the case of my laptop, the silicon die itself seemed to be exposed)
07:15 <Abortion> when it dries out, it can be more of an insulator than bare metal-metal contact
07:53 <Abortion> (or in the case of my laptop, the silicon die itself seemed to be exposed)
09:00 <Abortion> The purpose of thermal paste is to be better at conducting heat than air, but otherwise, too much is not good, because thermal grease still isn't as good a conductor of heat as metal. When applying the heatsink, you put on just enough, then you wiggle the heatsink over the processor to try and iron out any air gaps
09:47 <Abortion> The purpose of thermal paste is to be better at conducting heat than air, but otherwise, too much is not good, because thermal grease still isn't as good a conductor of heat as metal. When applying the heatsink, you put on just enough, then you wiggle the heatsink over the processor to try and iron out any air gaps
35:00 <Warren1984> Abortion I am highlighting all the stuff I am not familiar with
35:41 <Warren1984> Abortion I am highlighting all the stuff I am not familiar with
36:00 <Warren1984> going to listen to my dictatphone recordings in sound organizer, to refresh my memory
36:00 <Warren1984> look at all my notes
36:24 <Warren1984> going to listen to my dictatphone recordings in sound organizer, to refresh my memory
36:33 <Warren1984> look at all my notes
37:00 <Abortion> I'm looking at alternate heatsinks for my computer now
37:00 <Warren1984> going to ask the lecturer for some help in the use of certain strategies so I can remember everything and pass the test
37:00 <Abortion> There was one I was considering a while ago, but its no longer available, was really good value
37:00 <Warren1984> I don't think you need alternate heatsinks
37:00 <Abortion> for overclocking
37:00 <Warren1984> the best thing is having a good case with lots of fans
37:15 <Abortion> I'm looking at alternate heatsinks for my computer now
37:18 <Warren1984> going to ask the lecturer for some help in the use of certain strategies so I can remember everything and pass the test
37:33 <Abortion> There was one I was considering a while ago, but its no longer available, was really good value
37:44 <Warren1984> I don't think you need alternate heatsinks
37:51 <Abortion> for overclocking
38:00 <Abortion> yeah I've already got plenty of airflow
38:00 <Warren1984> my case has 2x fans to draw in air
38:00 <Warren1984> from the front
38:00 <Warren1984> 2 blowing out the back
38:00 <Warren1984> one big fan blowing out the side
38:03 <Warren1984> the best thing is having a good case with lots of fans
38:17 <Abortion> yeah I've already got plenty of airflow
38:23 <Warren1984> my case has 2x fans to draw in air
38:30 <Warren1984> from the front
38:39 <Warren1984> 2 blowing out the back
38:57 <Warren1984> one big fan blowing out the side
39:00 <Abortion> lol sounds like you just installed all the fans you could fit
39:00 <Warren1984> and 2 blowing out the top of my case
39:00 <Abortion> but no, you still need a good heatsink. The fans only help if there is enough surface area to blow over
39:00 <Warren1984> the CPU is not the only thing that needs to keep cool
39:00 <Abortion> indeed
39:16 <Abortion> lol sounds like you just installed all the fans you could fit
39:18 <Warren1984> and 2 blowing out the top of my case
39:46 <Abortion> but no, you still need a good heatsink. The fans only help if there is enough surface area to blow over
39:57 <Warren1984> the CPU is not the only thing that needs to keep cool
40:00 <Warren1984> everything in the computer does
40:00 <Warren1984> thats the limitation of a laptop
40:00 <Abortion> Well as I said I am looking at overclocking
40:00 <Abortion> (of my desktop)
40:00 <Warren1984> your going to make the bridges hotter
40:00 <Warren1984> esp the northbridge
40:03 <Abortion> indeed
40:04 <Warren1984> everything in the computer does
40:18 <Warren1984> thats the limitation of a laptop
40:25 <Abortion> Well as I said I am looking at overclocking
40:31 <Abortion> (of my desktop)
40:53 <Warren1984> your going to make the bridges hotter
41:00 <Warren1984> esp the northbridge
41:00 <Abortion> You mean the voltage regulator
41:00 <Abortion> err
41:00 <Abortion> Northbridge is integrated on the processor
41:00 <Warren1984> my RAM has copper heat sinks on it
41:00 <Abortion> as is the voltage regulator
41:00 <Abortion> oh, those are useless
41:00 <Abortion> wait, copper?
41:00 <Abortion> Did you install your own?
41:00 <Warren1984> yes
41:00 <Warren1984> no
41:06 <Abortion> You mean the voltage regulator
41:07 <Abortion> err
41:15 <Abortion> Northbridge is integrated on the processor
41:17 <Warren1984> my RAM has copper heat sinks on it
41:21 <Abortion> as is the voltage regulator
41:24 <Abortion> oh, those are useless
41:30 <Abortion> wait, copper?
41:35 <Abortion> Did you install your own?
41:36 <Warren1984> yes
41:39 <Warren1984> no
42:00 <Abortion> Most ram that comes with heatspreaders are aluminium, and are thorougly useless, largely impeding heat transfer
42:00 <Abortion> adhesive thermal tape, not good
42:00 <Warren1984> if you have aircon in your house water cooling is not necessary
42:00 <Abortion> the packages (chips) are only plastic
42:00 <Abortion> If it was a real issue, they'd be metal
42:00 <Abortion> so instead the thickness of the heat spreaders only serve to reduce airflow around them
42:00 <Warren1984> copper dissipates heat better than aluminium
42:05 <Abortion> Most ram that comes with heatspreaders are aluminium, and are thorougly useless, largely impeding heat transfer
42:12 <Abortion> adhesive thermal tape, not good
42:18 <Warren1984> if you have aircon in your house water cooling is not necessary
42:25 <Abortion> the packages (chips) are only plastic
42:49 <Abortion> If it was a real issue, they'd be metal
43:00 <Warren1984> not heat travels up into the copper
43:00 <Warren1984> and the copper dissipates it
43:00 <Abortion> sure, but they usually use a crappy thermal interface material between the silicon die and the copper
43:00 <Warren1984> and with lots of fans in the computer case, the fans will help to remove the heat
43:01 <Abortion> so instead the thickness of the heat spreaders only serve to reduce airflow around them
43:03 <Warren1984> copper dissipates heat better than aluminium
43:25 <Warren1984> not heat travels up into the copper
43:32 <Warren1984> and the copper dissipates it
43:46 <Abortion> sure, but they usually use a crappy thermal interface material between the silicon die and the copper
43:56 <Warren1984> and with lots of fans in the computer case, the fans will help to remove the heat
44:00 <Warren1984> why over-clock?
44:00 <Abortion> The closer to the source of the heat, the more important
44:00 <Abortion> for fun
44:00 <Warren1984> computers these days are fast enough
44:00 <Warren1984> why do you want to overclock?
44:00 <Abortion> You're telling me about how your ram needs a copper heatsink, despite dissipating maybe 5 watts per module, spread over 16 individual packages
44:00 <Abortion> I just said, for fun
44:10 <Warren1984> why over-clock?
44:12 <Abortion> The closer to the source of the heat, the more important
44:18 <Abortion> for fun
44:19 <Warren1984> computers these days are fast enough
44:48 <Warren1984> why do you want to overclock?
44:52 <Abortion> You're telling me about how your ram needs a copper heatsink, despite dissipating maybe 5 watts per module, spread over 16 individual packages
44:55 <Abortion> I just said, for fun
45:00 <Abortion> comparatively, a processor such as the 4690K I have is rated for 88 watts of heat dissapation
45:51 <Abortion> comparatively, a processor such as the 4690K I have is rated for 88 watts of heat dissapation
46:00 <Abortion> using the stock thermal solution (aka heatsink)
46:27 <Abortion> using the stock thermal solution (aka heatsink)
49:00 <Abortion> Actually, fast enough depends on, what usecase
49:00 <Abortion> I like encoding and compression stuff
49:00 <Abortion> The algorithms have increased in complexity in line with the processing power available
49:06 <Abortion> Actually, fast enough depends on, what usecase
49:15 <Abortion> I like encoding and compression stuff
49:39 <Abortion> The algorithms have increased in complexity in line with the processing power available
50:00 <Abortion> I've been playing a lot of LZMA2 compression lately
50:58 <Abortion> I've been playing a lot of LZMA2 compression lately
51:00 <Abortion> which actually seems to be memory bandwidth or latency bound, by the looks of it
51:14 <Abortion> which actually seems to be memory bandwidth or latency bound, by the looks of it
52:00 <Abortion> I did have a go with VP9 video compression, but that is very early days still, the algorithms still have a lot of optimisation needed
52:05 <Abortion> I did have a go with VP9 video compression, but that is very early days still, the algorithms still have a lot of optimisation needed
53:00 <Warren1984> Abortion it doesn't require a heatsink
53:00 <Warren1984> it came with my RAM
53:00 <Abortion> yeah I figured, I actually removed them from mine
53:00 <Warren1984> it's better to leave them on
53:00 <Abortion> because the reading I've seen is that they impede thermal transfer
53:22 <Warren1984> Abortion it doesn't require a heatsink
53:27 <Warren1984> it came with my RAM
53:40 <Abortion> yeah I figured, I actually removed them from mine
53:59 <Warren1984> it's better to leave them on
54:00 <Warren1984> the heat sink is like a resistor
54:00 <Abortion> most of them are done on the cheap, knowing that really, it doesn't need them, so a small impedence won't really affect them
54:00 <Warren1984> it's there to dissipate heat
54:00 <Warren1984> the cooler the electronics the more efficient
54:00 <Abortion> A resistor is an impedance device, I don't think the comparison is valid
54:02 <Abortion> because the reading I've seen is that they impede thermal transfer
54:26 <Warren1984> the heat sink is like a resistor
54:31 <Abortion> most of them are done on the cheap, knowing that really, it doesn't need them, so a small impedence won't really affect them
54:33 <Warren1984> it's there to dissipate heat
54:56 <Warren1984> the cooler the electronics the more efficient
54:58 <Abortion> A resistor is an impedance device, I don't think the comparison is valid
55:00 <Abortion> yeah but it actually hinders cooling
55:00 <Abortion> its there for decoration mostly
55:00 <Warren1984> and you will preserve them more so they last longer
55:00 <Abortion> for the wow factor
55:00 <Abortion> If they used proper clips and thermal paste rather than an adhesive paste, I could see it helping
55:07 <Abortion> yeah but it actually hinders cooling
55:14 <Abortion> its there for decoration mostly
55:18 <Warren1984> and you will preserve them more so they last longer
55:19 <Abortion> for the wow factor
56:00 <Abortion> but when you have 4 modules so the space between them is a millimetre, it prevents the air from cooling them, it will create pockets of still air that fans around the case won't help much with
56:00 <Warren1984> the tower sucks in the air bounces off the RAM and then sucked out by the back, side and top of the PC
56:03 <Abortion> If they used proper clips and thermal paste rather than an adhesive paste, I could see it helping
56:34 <Abortion> but when you have 4 modules so the space between them is a millimetre, it prevents the air from cooling them, it will create pockets of still air that fans around the case won't help much with
56:41 <Warren1984> the tower sucks in the air bounces off the RAM and then sucked out by the back, side and top of the PC
57:00 <Abortion> if the air does not move, it becomes an effective insulator
57:43 <Abortion> if the air does not move, it becomes an effective insulator
59:00 <Abortion> airflow, like eletricity and water , will take the easiest path. Case fans are good for preventing heat build up in the case, but there is a reason fan forcing occurs directly on heatsinks of CPUs and Video cards
59:54 <Abortion> airflow, like eletricity and water , will take the easiest path. Case fans are good for preventing heat build up in the case, but there is a reason fan forcing occurs directly on heatsinks of CPUs and Video cards
01:00 <Abortion> For that which must be passively cooled, space makes all the difference
01:00 <Abortion> If you have hard drives, you would prefer to keep them evenly spaced and apart to reduce the incidence of narrow gaps where air doesn't move well
01:08 <Abortion> For that which must be passively cooled, space makes all the difference
01:38 <Abortion> If you have hard drives, you would prefer to keep them evenly spaced and apart to reduce the incidence of narrow gaps where air doesn't move well
05:00 <Abortion> So, in summary, unless you're going right for the top end of RAM where the engineering of the heatspreaders is well thought out, and you aren't occupying all RAM slots, it probably helps
05:00 <Abortion> but heatspreaders are on all RAM except the very lowest end these days
05:00 <Abortion> in the enthusiast market
05:07 <Abortion> So, in summary, unless you're going right for the top end of RAM where the engineering of the heatspreaders is well thought out, and you aren't occupying all RAM slots, it probably helps
05:44 <Abortion> but heatspreaders are on all RAM except the very lowest end these days
05:50 <Abortion> in the enthusiast market
07:00 <Abortion> Most of that high end ram is intended for overclocking anyway, and confers no extra utility if you don
07:00 <Abortion> don't do this
07:29 <Abortion> Most of that high end ram is intended for overclocking anyway, and confers no extra utility if you don
07:32 <Abortion> don't do this
08:00 <Abortion> Also, I would be suprised if you found any workstation or server RAM which had heatspreaders
08:00 <Abortion> ie the ones that have ECC
08:50 <Abortion> Also, I would be suprised if you found any workstation or server RAM which had heatspreaders
08:59 <Abortion> ie the ones that have ECC
10:00 <Abortion> If its any consolation, RAM generates little enough heat that it won't really be a problem anyway
10:00 <Abortion> which is why manufacturers get away with it
10:31 <Abortion> If its any consolation, RAM generates little enough heat that it won't really be a problem anyway
10:51 <Abortion> which is why manufacturers get away with it
17:00 <Abortion> The diagram in this article may help explain why you want space between things (on the left under the Example banner on the left) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow#Examples
17:00 <progressive> [WIKIPEDIA] Laminar flow#Examples | "In fluid dynamics, laminar flow (or streamline flow) occurs when a fluid flows in parallel layers, with no disruption between the layers. At low velocities, the fluid tends to flow without lateral mixing, and adjacent layers slide past one another like playing cards. There are no cross-currents perpendicular..."
17:29 <Abortion> The diagram in this article may help explain why you want space between things (on the left under the Example banner on the left) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow#Examples
17:29 <progressive> [WIKIPEDIA] Laminar flow#Examples | "In fluid dynamics, laminar flow (or streamline flow) occurs when a fluid flows in parallel layers, with no disruption between the layers. At low velocities, the fluid tends to flow without lateral mixing, and adjacent layers slide past one another like playing cards. There are no cross-currents perpendicular..."
18:00 <Abortion> notice that being adjacent solid surfaces slows down the airflow
18:15 <Abortion> notice that being adjacent solid surfaces slows down the airflow
59:00 <xm> http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/acer-cb280hk-4k-28-monitor-accb280hk
59:00 <progressive> [ Acer CB280HK 4K 28" Monitor | Officeworks ] - www.officeworks.com.au
59:00 <xm> the dell had a 5ms response time for $539
59:00 <xm> this acer is 1ms for $498
59:00 <xm> but i read a review and they said there were problems
59:34 <xm> http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/acer-cb280hk-4k-28-monitor-accb280hk
59:36 <progressive> [ Acer CB280HK 4K 28" Monitor | Officeworks ] - www.officeworks.com.au
59:44 <xm> the dell had a 5ms response time for $539
59:52 <xm> this acer is 1ms for $498
59:59 <xm> but i read a review and they said there were problems
00:00 <xm> id rather go dell, better name etc
00:07 <xm> id rather go dell, better name etc
00:33 <Abortion> 1ms? Sounds like a TN panel
00:51 <xm> i forget which is the better panel
00:54 <Abortion> dunno about the dell, IPS can go that fast, but at the price point, it is probably also TN
01:01 <Abortion> IPS is better colour reproduction and angles
01:06 <Abortion> TN is able to respond faster
01:25 <xm> im more interested in using it for autocad, programming and music production
01:32 <xm> so response timeis probably not that important for me
01:37 <Abortion> yeah thats what I was thinking
02:07 <xm> id like a 34"+ but it seems too pricey for what you get now
02:08 <Abortion> also at 60 frames per second, there are 17ms between frames
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02:15 <xm> yeah
02:43 <Abortion> eh... I'm not sure about physically bigger screens. Your eyes have high detail in only a narrow cone
03:21 <Abortion> 27 and 28 are already seeming pretty big, unless you have to sit further back
03:36 <xm> yeah that is partially why i am reluctant to get it
03:44 <xm> ive already got 2x27"
03:50 <xm> + the macbook pro 15"
03:55 <xm> 27" should do the trick
03:58 <Abortion> yeah I prefer having multiple screens in a line
04:11 <Abortion> I tried having another screen above, but I didn't use that much
04:57 <Abortion> All that stuff your mother told you about not getting to close... thats bogus imo
05:11 <xm> for an indent sensitive language like Python it would get too messy with line wrappoing
05:13 <Abortion> more important is that you look away every now and then and try looking at different things to excersise your focus
05:19 <xm> yeah
05:24 <Abortion> How long are your lines?
05:34 <Abortion> screens are already wide screen
05:39 <xm> i dont code anymore but after i did mostly Ruby they were quite terse
05:50 <xm> it was mostly crazy if statements i used to work with
05:56 <xm> probably poorly designed :D
06:03 <xm> but everything in Ruby was succinct
06:03 <Abortion> It is common practice to manually wrap lines...
06:15 <xm> like "\" etc ?
06:21 <Abortion> like putting function parameters over multiple lines
06:47 <xm> sometimes in ateam you have to work with other's code though
06:48 <Abortion> function(parameter1, parameter2,\nparameter3, parameter4)
07:00 <xm> personally i like code to be as succinct as possible
07:13 <xm> which is why i quite liked Ruby
07:20 <Abortion> If they're writing lines which are more than 200 characters wide... well thats just ugly
07:30 <Abortion> having to turn your head to read code is not good
07:48 <Abortion> I spread things out in the vertical direction
07:59 <xm> i remember back in the day with qbasic when it was <= 80 characters wide i think
08:02 <Abortion> Try to draw attention to specific functionality with whitespace
08:02 <xm> 80x25
08:10 <Abortion> 80 is pretty damn narrow though
08:14 <xm> that was very annoying
08:21 <Abortion> I allow for about 120 characters at the out, after tabs
08:28 <Abortion> lol 25
08:49 <Abortion> yeah running linux terminals 80x24 is a common size, its too small
08:55 <xm> you could make it go 50 i think if you changed the mode
09:25 <xm> what languages do you work with atm?
09:41 <Abortion> well in the last couple of weeks its been PLC programming
09:46 <Abortion> so SCL at the moment
09:50 <Abortion> a pretty spartan language
09:51 <xm> ah, practically engineering then
10:07 <xm> we might be doing PLCs with one of the next projects
10:10 <Abortion> At least, when I can. The rest of the time is ladder logic
10:24 <Abortion> C style declaration of data types before the function
10:28 <xm> you may know this already but a lot of engineers, whether it's electrical or electronic, end up doing PLCs
10:32 <Abortion> except you do them in a table above the code
10:46 <xm> how would you compare the difficulty of PLCs vs something like C?
10:57 <xm> ive only seen bits of PLC programming, looks visual
11:02 <Abortion> Yeah ladder is
11:16 <Abortion> Not many companies provide a text way to do it
11:17 <Abortion> Siemens does thankfully
11:26 <Abortion> but not for top level Organisational Blocks
11:49 <xm> im new with engineering, but from what ive heard Siemens is a top tier supplier
11:58 <xm> Eaton is a bit behind
11:59 <Abortion> I've noticed :P
12:14 <Abortion> 2MB SD card, $150
12:21 <xm> my goodness
12:26 <Abortion> not GB, MB
12:31 <xm> yeah i had to re-read
12:32 <Abortion> Supposedly hardened for PLC use
12:44 <Abortion> manufactured in Germany itself, you see
12:54 <xm> yes, we source a few things from Germany
13:00 <Abortion> The one they provide for HMIs is a fair bit cheaper
13:16 <Abortion> the 2GB card is around the same price, made in Japan instead
14:42 <xm> on average do you think senior programmers or senior engineers make more?
14:46 <Abortion> Wait, the plc sd card was 4MB not 2
14:53 <Abortion> No idea to be honest
15:01 <xm> i think in general programmers make more
15:10 <xm> but if the engineer does FIFO then they make more
15:13 <xm> but shitty hours though
15:26 <Abortion> Time in lieu
15:39 <xm> there's probably more demand for decent programmers than decent engineers too
15:47 <xm> a lot of engineers have been made redundant in WA
16:10 <Abortion> I imagine so but that's probably also because programming I'd newer
16:53 <xm> i just hope it wont get outsourced that much
17:07 <Abortion> They've tried and it hasn't gone well
17:15 <xm> i talk to an Italian programmer on here and he only makes as much asmost people here on the D$P
17:25 <xm> yes, bad code is costly :D
17:40 <xm> there is a company i know of here getting an Indian to do a mobile app for them
17:49 <xm> they were quoted 60-120k from Australian companies
17:53 <xm> the Indian will do it for 20k
17:59 <Abortion> Though, they have tried mainly Indian ones, Europe may well be a new challenge
18:00 <xm> they have no idea what they are up against
18:33 <xm> there seems to be a lot of decent programmers from Europe working in the Digital Audio Workstation area and also DSP for audio
18:53 <xm> their teams are very small they are they're providing a service for a very niche market
18:55 <Abortion> Especially as Europe had more consistent education and are going through economic crisis
19:07 <xm> oh right
19:23 <xm> i was looking at the AUD vs EUR
19:27 <xm> it wasnt that bad as i thought
19:43 <xm> you into DSP programming?
21:44 <Abortion> No I haven't done any DSP
22:05 <Abortion> lol the EUR has strengthened against the AUD
22:13 <Abortion> it was about 1.4 AUD per EUR
23:08 <Abortion> My grandparents had a bank account for me, I might try and bring it in soon, as I think thats going to go back down. The AUD may well bottom out soon, but the EUR is still dealing with refugee crisis
23:12 <Abortion> and thats not going to be pretty
24:07 <xm> what sort of figures are we talking about with the intake of refugees in Europe?
24:30 <xm> wow nearly 2PM already
24:35 <Abortion> From a fairly limited understanding, I'd say at least a million have gone in
24:47 <Abortion> in the last year
25:01 <Abortion> last couple of months even
25:51 <xm> ive seen a few figures from other countries in the middle-east. the order seems to be in the millions but Saudi Arabia hasnt even accepted 1
26:33 <Abortion> I meant just into Europe, Jordan and other Arab countries have been dealing with loads more
27:20 <xm> yeah i knew you were dealing with Europe but i just thought it was interesting to compare it with SA
27:49 <Abortion> lol SA I think of South Australia
28:00 <xm> SA could be South Africa too!
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28:08 <Abortion> But yeah, Saudi are pushing to be the next UAE
28:32 <Abortion> Don't want to dirty their hands with refugees or something I guess
28:53 <Abortion> Have you heard of their "Kingdom Tower"?
29:07 <xm> nope. what's taht?
29:22 <xm> oh are they going for some great engineering feat?
29:53 <xm> it seems to be a non-western thing to build something massive just for the sake of it. very grandiose
30:02 <Abortion> Yeah. Beating the Burk Khalifa by a couble metres isn't good enough, they want a kilometre
30:28 <Abortion> Burj
30:50 <Abortion> Though to be fair, in the early 19th Century, the US was just like that
31:03 <Abortion> New York was rushing to build taller and taller skyskrapers
31:46 <Abortion> All that crazyness would have wound down in the 70s, I'd say
31:46 <xm> not tall enough to stop King Kong from getting to to the top obviously
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33:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> morning Mx_Trump, Glenn 
33:31 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> morning Mx_Trump, Glenn
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39:00 <Lish> Hi
39:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hi Lish, circle 
39:09 <Lish> Hi
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40:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Lish, how were the crocodiles?
40:00 <circle> hi
40:00 <Lish> So cool!
40:00 <Lish> I love them
40:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what did they do?
40:00 <Lish> Got my husband some crocodile jerky lol I'm just laying by the pool now at our new hotel. Had a cocktail at the swim up bar earlier
40:02 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hi Lish, circle
40:11 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Lish, how were the crocodiles?
40:12 <circle> hi
40:19 <Lish> So cool!
40:25 <Lish> I love them
40:34 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what did they do?
40:58 <Lish> Got my husband some crocodile jerky lol I'm just laying by the pool now at our new hotel. Had a cocktail at the swim up bar earlier
41:00 <Lish> They jumped up out of the water
41:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> any hot girls at the pool?  take photos
41:00 <Lish> I'm too lazy to get a photo, I'll get one tomorrow
41:08 <Lish> They jumped up out of the water
41:28 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> any hot girls at the pool? take photos
41:52 <Lish> I'm too lazy to get a photo, I'll get one tomorrow
42:00 <Lish> It's less sunny now
42:06 <Lish> It's less sunny now
43:00 <Lish> What's happening here
43:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> that's why you shouldn't stick your head over the side of the boat, a crocodile could chomp it right off
43:00 <Lish> Yep! They jump soooo high
43:00 <Lish> It was a cool place we were there almost all day
43:27 <Lish> What's happening here
43:32 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> that's why you shouldn't stick your head over the side of the boat, a crocodile could chomp it right off
43:49 <Lish> Yep! They jump soooo high
43:57 <Lish> It was a cool place we were there almost all day
44:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I am downloading Galactica 1980 on bluray, this will mean I have bluray rips of every iteration of Battlestar Galactica
44:00 <Lish> Now by the pool, will go for a drive later, eat pizza
44:00 <Lish> Tomorrow I think we will go to Mossman gorge
44:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what's there?
44:00 <Lish> A gorge for swimming
44:00 <Lish> It's meant to beautiful
44:11 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I am downloading Galactica 1980 on bluray, this will mean I have bluray rips of every iteration of Battlestar Galactica
44:17 <Lish> Now by the pool, will go for a drive later, eat pizza
44:26 <Lish> Tomorrow I think we will go to Mossman gorge
44:32 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what's there?
44:53 <Lish> A gorge for swimming
44:59 <Lish> It's meant to beautiful
46:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> any crocodiles?
46:09 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> any crocodiles?
47:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> it seems one of those Survivor shows went there
47:03 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> it seems one of those Survivor shows went there
48:00 <Lish> Don't think any crocs
48:00 <Lish> It's freshwater
48:00 <Lish> But maybe still
48:40 <Lish> Don't think any crocs
48:46 <Lish> It's freshwater
48:51 <Lish> But maybe still
50:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> there are cassowaries there too, they are like emus, but more aggressive, and have killed people before
50:08 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> there are cassowaries there too, they are like emus, but more aggressive, and have killed people before
51:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> The city of Cairns is expanding and the suburb of Mt. Whitfield is pushing its way into the rainforest. 
51:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Several walkingtracks like the Blue Arrow and Red Arrow trail wind their way through the rainforests here. Some people used these trails to go jogging, which led to some encounters with cassowaries. 
51:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> In April of 1995, Doon McColl was jogging along this trail, when she heard a noise behind her. She turned to see a full size adult cassowary running after her, so she ran like hell and then climbed a tree. 
51:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> The big bird waited below for hours later until it finally wandered off. 
51:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> A week later her boyfriend, Ray Willetts, was also chased. He tried to lose the bird in the jungle and spent the day crashing through thorns and lawyer cane while the huge bird followed effortlessly.
51:16 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> The city of Cairns is expanding and the suburb of Mt. Whitfield is pushing its way into the rainforest.
51:16 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Several walkingtracks like the Blue Arrow and Red Arrow trail wind their way through the rainforests here. Some people used these trails to go jogging, which led to some encounters with cassowaries.
51:16 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> In April of 1995, Doon McColl was jogging along this trail, when she heard a noise behind her. She turned to see a full size adult cassowary running after her, so she ran like hell and then climbed a tree.
51:16 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> The big bird waited below for hours later until it finally wandered off.
51:17 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> A week later her boyfriend, Ray Willetts, was also chased. He tried to lose the bird in the jungle and spent the day crashing through thorns and lawyer cane while the huge bird followed effortlessly.
52:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Their three-toed feet have sharp claws; the dagger-like middle claw is 12 cm long.
52:00 <Lish> Oh yeah we saw cassowaries today
52:00 <Lish> They are creepy
52:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> were they tame ones?
52:06 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Their three-toed feet have sharp claws; the dagger-like middle claw is 12 cm long.
52:15 <Lish> Oh yeah we saw cassowaries today
52:18 <Lish> They are creepy
52:57 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> were they tame ones?
53:00 <Lish> I'm not getting a very good tan
53:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> why not?
53:28 <Lish> I'm not getting a very good tan
53:40 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> why not?
55:00 <Lish> Nope not tame ones
55:51 <Lish> Nope not tame ones
56:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what about taipans?
56:00 <Lish> Wel they were in a fenced off field
56:00 <Lish> Yep saw a taipan!
56:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> how close did you get?
56:12 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> what about taipans?
56:15 <Lish> Wel they were in a fenced off field
56:19 <Lish> Yep saw a taipan!
56:30 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> how close did you get?
57:00 <Lish> Not very lol
57:53 <Lish> Not very lol
58:00 <Lish> There was a lizard in our hotel bathroom last night
58:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> you should've gotten a photo of you with a taipan wrapped around your neck, and you feeding it
58:00 <Lish> A little one lol
58:00 <Lish> Oh yeah sure haha
58:04 <Lish> There was a lizard in our hotel bathroom last night
58:15 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> you should've gotten a photo of you with a taipan wrapped around your neck, and you feeding it
58:31 <Lish> A little one lol
58:34 <Lish> Oh yeah sure haha
59:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I once read about a tourist bus in Cairns where it drove close by a taipan on the road, and it bit the tyre as it passed by, and a few miles down the road the venom had dissolved a hole through the rubber in the tyre
59:00 <Lish> Wow
59:00 <Lish> That's crazy
59:45 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I once read about a tourist bus in Cairns where it drove close by a taipan on the road, and it bit the tyre as it passed by, and a few miles down the road the venom had dissolved a hole through the rubber in the tyre
59:57 <Lish> Wow
59:59 <Lish> That's crazy
00:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes, I'm very scared of them
00:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> a taipan bite will rot your skin off even if you live
00:00 <Lish> Yuck
00:17 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> yes, I'm very scared of them
00:56 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> a taipan bite will rot your skin off even if you live
01:00 <Lish> I need to pee but I'm laying down and too lazy to get up
01:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> there is always the pool
01:02 <Lish> Yuck
01:26 <Lish> I need to pee but I'm laying down and too lazy to get up
01:35 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> there is always the pool
02:00 <Lish> Haha gross
02:06 <Lish> Haha gross
03:00 <Lish> Ok going
03:00 <Lish> Later
03:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> ok bye
03:33 <Lish> Ok going
03:37 <Lish> Later
03:41 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> ok bye
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13:00 <myimmortal> hello my disciples 
13:50 <myimmortal> hello my disciples
15:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hi myimmortal 
15:09 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> hi myimmortal
25:00 <myimmortal> hello charisma 
25:27 <myimmortal> hello charisma
33:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I am downloading bluray rips of Galactica 1980
33:00 <Mx_Trump> <myimmortal> hello charisma 
33:00 <Mx_Trump> hello roberto
33:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> here is a taste of the flavour of it: https://youtu.be/vA38RR3OOuw?t=697
33:00 <progressive> [ Galactica 1980 S01E08: The Night The Cylons Landed (Part 2) - YouTube ] - youtu.be
33:35 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> I am downloading bluray rips of Galactica 1980
33:42 <Mx_Trump> <myimmortal> hello charisma
33:46 <Mx_Trump> hello roberto
33:49 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> here is a taste of the flavour of it: https://youtu.be/vA38RR3OOuw?t=697
33:50 <progressive> [ Galactica 1980 S01E08: The Night The Cylons Landed (Part 2) - YouTube ] - youtu.be
34:00 <myimmortal> bretty praise God bless your dear heart
34:42 <myimmortal> bretty praise God bless your dear heart
35:00 <Mx_Trump> i am charisma in bretty's body
35:00 <Mx_Trump> speak to me roberto
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35:27 <Mx_Trump> i am charisma in bretty's body
35:31 <Mx_Trump> speak to me roberto
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38:00 <myimmortal> i will speak in the ancient milf goddess tongue 
38:44 <myimmortal> i will speak in the ancient milf goddess tongue
39:00 <myimmortal> SurlyDuff!!!!!
39:17 <myimmortal> SurlyDuff!!!!!
41:00 <Mx_Trump> when did you last go to the hooks?
41:38 <Mx_Trump> when did you last go to the hooks?
43:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> how much is the average visit to the hooks?
43:41 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> how much is the average visit to the hooks?
03:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/gino-and-mark-stocco-fugitives-using-hidden-stockpiles-throughout-nsw-and-victoria/story-fns0kb1g-1227582027620
03:00 <progressive> [ Police raid farm in Stoccos hunt ] - www.news.com.au
03:00 <Warren1984> why don't the police get the Russian's to bomb their stockpils
03:00 <Warren1984> stockpiles
03:20 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/gino-and-mark-stocco-fugitives-using-hidden-stockpiles-throughout-nsw-and-victoria/story-fns0kb1g-1227582027620
03:21 <progressive> [ Police raid farm in Stoccos hunt ] - www.news.com.au
03:34 <Warren1984> why don't the police get the Russian's to bomb their stockpils
03:38 <Warren1984> stockpiles
06:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> https://delimiter.com.au/2015/10/15/no-labor-will-not-be-returning-to-a-full-fttp-nbn-model/
06:53 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> https://delimiter.com.au/2015/10/15/no-labor-will-not-be-returning-to-a-full-fttp-nbn-model/
11:00 <Warren1984> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/gino-and-mark-stocco-fugitives-using-hidden-stockpiles-throughout-nsw-and-victoria/story-fni0xqrc-1227582027620#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C2%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fgino-and-mark-stocco-fugitives-using-hidden-stockpiles-throughout-nsw-and-victoria%2Fstory-fni0xqrc-1227582027620%7Cst
11:00 <Warren1984> ory%7CPolice%20raid%20farm%20in%20Stoccos%20hunt&itmt=1445850694143
11:00 <progressive> [ No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au ] - www.dailytelegraph.com.au
11:57 <Warren1984> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/gino-and-mark-stocco-fugitives-using-hidden-stockpiles-throughout-nsw-and-victoria/story-fni0xqrc-1227582027620#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C2%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fgino-and-mark-stocco-fugitives-using-hidden-stockpiles-throughout-nsw-and-victoria%2Fstory-fni0xqrc-1227582027620%7Cst
11:57 <Warren1984> ory%7CPolice%20raid%20farm%20in%20Stoccos%20hunt&itmt=1445850694143
11:58 <progressive> [ No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au ] - www.dailytelegraph.com.au
16:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Police fear the armed father-and-son fugitives are using hidden stockpiles of supplies and firearms camouflaged in bushland throughout NSW and Victoria to evade their dragnet.
16:00 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> it's a good idea
16:10 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> Police fear the armed father-and-son fugitives are using hidden stockpiles of supplies and firearms camouflaged in bushland throughout NSW and Victoria to evade their dragnet.
16:14 <PickUpTheSoapJerome> it's a good idea
19:00 <Warren1984> all they need to do is not allow people to put petrol in without paying first
19:00 <Warren1984> then they would not have had the ability to steal 150 litres of fuel
19:00 <Warren1984> and this would narrow down the search
19:11 <Warren1984> all they need to do is not allow people to put petrol in without paying first
19:39 <Warren1984> then they would not have had the ability to steal 150 litres of fuel
19:48 <Warren1984> and this would narrow down the search
22:00 <myimmortal> bretty i might go tonight
24:00 <Mx_Trump> when did you last go?
33:00 <myimmortal> few weeks ago 
33:00 <Mx_Trump> i cooked up those dagwood dogs before, took one bite and threw them all out
33:00 <Mx_Trump> disgusting
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40:23 Set By: (Tigger_) on: Fri Oct 23 20:24:20 2015
46:00 <Warren1984> PickUpTheSoapJerome what if the Stocco's come to steal clip clop and all your food?
46:34 <Warren1984> PickUpTheSoapJerome what if the Stocco's come to steal clip clop and all your food?
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02:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/deadly-diy-homemade-guns-hit-sydney-streets-in-record-numbers/story-fnii5s3x-1227581151383
02:00 <progressive> [ Deadly DIY guns flood Sydney streets ] - www.news.com.au
02:18 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/deadly-diy-homemade-guns-hit-sydney-streets-in-record-numbers/story-fnii5s3x-1227581151383
02:20 <progressive> [ Deadly DIY guns flood Sydney streets ] - www.news.com.au
02:31 Nick: PickUpTheSoapJerome is now known as Tigger_
03:00 <Tigger_> at least those sorts of guns have a fair chance of killing the crim
03:00 <Tigger_> hi baz 
03:00 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> i cooked up those dagwood dogs before, took one bite and threw them all out  <- brand?
03:28 <Tigger_> at least those sorts of guns have a fair chance of killing the crim
03:36 <Tigger_> hi baz
03:48 <Tigger_> <Mx_Trump> i cooked up those dagwood dogs before, took one bite and threw them all out <- brand?
05:00 <baz> hey Tigger_
05:00 <baz> I'm finally reading The Brothers Karamazov
05:47 <baz> hey Tigger_
05:53 <baz> I'm finally reading The Brothers Karamazov
06:00 <Tigger_> you were holding off?
06:19 <Tigger_> you were holding off?
07:00 <baz> no, I've just owned the book for over a year, and that rarely happens
07:00 <baz> I usually get to a book a lot sooner after I buy it
07:13 <baz> no, I've just owned the book for over a year, and that rarely happens
07:31 <baz> I usually get to a book a lot sooner after I buy it
08:00 <Tigger_> most people who read a lot have a lot of unread books on the shelf, it's a guarantee there's always something to suit your mood
08:51 <Tigger_> most people who read a lot have a lot of unread books on the shelf, it's a guarantee there's always something to suit your mood
09:00 <Mx_Trump> keiths or something
09:00 <Mx_Trump> you are meant to deep fry them but i just put them in the oven, probably why they were so bad
09:12 <Mx_Trump> keiths or something
09:23 <Mx_Trump> you are meant to deep fry them but i just put them in the oven, probably why they were so bad
10:00 <baz> yeah, I have noticed that
10:00 <baz> I'm not like that though, although I've become more like that
10:00 <baz> I'm trying to go back to how I used to operate
10:00 <Tigger_> so one book at a time?
10:11 <baz> yeah, I have noticed that
10:24 <baz> I'm not like that though, although I've become more like that
10:42 <baz> I'm trying to go back to how I used to operate
11:00 <baz> I would buy three or four books and read them, and then go out book shopping for the next two or three or whatever
11:00 <baz> but at the moment I have at least 50 unread books
11:00 <Tigger_> ah, I've never heard of anyone doing that actually
11:00 <baz> book shopping is addictive, as I'm sure you know
11:00 <Tigger_> yes
11:00 <baz> yeah it's odd apparently haha
11:00 <baz> no other reader I know knows anyone who does that either
11:00 <baz> everyone has way too many books than they know what to do with
11:01 <Tigger_> so one book at a time?
11:04 <baz> I would buy three or four books and read them, and then go out book shopping for the next two or three or whatever
11:16 <baz> but at the moment I have at least 50 unread books
11:22 <Tigger_> ah, I've never heard of anyone doing that actually
11:27 <baz> book shopping is addictive, as I'm sure you know
11:31 <Tigger_> yes
11:43 <baz> yeah it's odd apparently haha
11:53 <baz> no other reader I know knows anyone who does that either
12:00 <baz> everyone has way too many books than they know what to do with
12:00 <baz> and they just keep on buying
12:00 <baz> but I don't think that would personally work for me, it would be too overwhelming
12:00 <Tigger_> it's displaying quite a bit of self control to do that
12:00 <baz> I like to keep my scope narrow and focus on what's in front of me
12:00 <baz> yeah I know, it's been hard though
12:00 <baz> I bought 5 books last week
12:00 <Tigger_> the problem is coming across curios that you've never seen before, so better get it right now
12:03 <baz> and they just keep on buying
12:17 <baz> but I don't think that would personally work for me, it would be too overwhelming
12:20 <Tigger_> it's displaying quite a bit of self control to do that
12:25 <baz> I like to keep my scope narrow and focus on what's in front of me
12:41 <baz> yeah I know, it's been hard though
12:52 <baz> I bought 5 books last week
13:00 <baz> I justified it by not having read about 4 or 5 books and not having bought anything in the interim
13:00 <baz> which is no justification at all for what I'm trying to get back to
13:00 <baz> yeah exactly
13:01 <Tigger_> the problem is coming across curios that you've never seen before, so better get it right now
13:22 <baz> I justified it by not having read about 4 or 5 books and not having bought anything in the interim
13:37 <baz> which is no justification at all for what I'm trying to get back to
13:43 <baz> yeah exactly
14:00 <baz> -not
14:31 <baz> -not
15:00 <Tigger_> if you visit 2nd hand bookshops it's very easy to just go mad, but worst of all are library and Lifeline booksales
15:00 <baz> but I do still only ever read one book at a time, and I always finish what I start
15:00 <baz> a lot of readers juggle two or three books
15:00 <Tigger_> hi doctor 
15:00 <doctor> hey Tigger_ 
15:00 <doctor> all
15:00 <baz> hey doc
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15:40 <Tigger_> if you visit 2nd hand bookshops it's very easy to just go mad, but worst of all are library and Lifeline booksales
15:45 <baz> but I do still only ever read one book at a time, and I always finish what I start
15:54 <baz> a lot of readers juggle two or three books
15:54 <Tigger_> hi doctor
16:00 <doctor> hey Tigger_
16:00 <doctor> hey baz
16:00 <baz> what do you mean Tigger_?
16:00 <Tigger_> I am quite ok with giving up on a book
16:02 <doctor> all
16:03 <baz> hey doc
16:06 <doctor> hey baz
16:16 <baz> what do you mean Tigger_?
16:23 <Tigger_> I am quite ok with giving up on a book
17:00 <baz> I think partly why I always finish what I pick up is because I've had good luck in enjoying them all
17:00 <Tigger_> I haven't been to one in awhile, but at one point the libraries in QLD were determined to offload vast numbers of their books to make space for internet services
17:00 <baz> I trust my intuition, if you will.
17:00 <baz> I only go for books that give me a strong sense of its merit.
17:00 <Tigger_> they were $3 for two hardcover titles
17:30 <baz> I think partly why I always finish what I pick up is because I've had good luck in enjoying them all
17:31 <Tigger_> I haven't been to one in awhile, but at one point the libraries in QLD were determined to offload vast numbers of their books to make space for internet services
17:37 <baz> I trust my intuition, if you will.
17:53 <baz> I only go for books that give me a strong sense of its merit.
17:53 <Tigger_> they were $3 for two hardcover titles
18:00 <baz> ah, yeah that'd be hard to pass up
18:00 <baz> their* merit.
18:00 <baz> fuck I can't write tonight
18:10 <baz> ah, yeah that'd be hard to pass up
18:26 <baz> their* merit.
18:33 <baz> fuck I can't write tonight
19:00 <baz> the last time I didn't like a book was well over a year ago, and it was On the Road
19:00 <Tigger_> and literary biographies were one thing they were very enthusiastic in disposing of, I once came across four different different biographies of Mishima, when I'd never even seen one biography of him in real life till then
19:24 <baz> the last time I didn't like a book was well over a year ago, and it was On the Road
19:42 <Tigger_> and literary biographies were one thing they were very enthusiastic in disposing of, I once came across four different different biographies of Mishima, when I'd never even seen one biography of him in real life till then
20:00 <baz> so you would recommend The Sound of Waves?
21:00 <baz> I bought a copy for a friend once who's a friend of Japanese lit
21:00 <Tigger_> I don't know, I've only read Temple of the Golden Pavilion
21:00 <baz> fair enough
21:01 <baz> so you would recommend The Sound of Waves?
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21:13 <baz> I bought a copy for a friend once who's a friend of Japanese lit
21:46 <Tigger_> I don't know, I've only read Temple of the Golden Pavilion
21:56 <baz> fair enough
22:00 <Tigger_> which was good
22:22 <Tigger_> which was good
24:00 <Tigger_> but that is an example of how you encounter things you think you might be interested in, but don't really know yet, but you'll never get another chance
24:03 <Tigger_> but that is an example of how you encounter things you think you might be interested in, but don't really know yet, but you'll never get another chance
25:00 <baz> yeah, it's happened a few times
25:00 <baz> particularly because I like writers who are barely in print nowadays
25:00 <Tigger_> what writers?
25:00 <baz> so if I see them somehow there on the shelf, I have to buy it immediately
25:11 <baz> yeah, it's happened a few times
25:33 <baz> particularly because I like writers who are barely in print nowadays
25:51 <Tigger_> what writers?
25:52 <baz> so if I see them somehow there on the shelf, I have to buy it immediately
26:00 <baz> Grace Paley has been a recent one, I've wanted to read her for a long time
26:00 <baz> and I happened to see her first collection of stories, The Little Disturbances of Man, in an independent bookshop
26:00 <baz> so I bought it and read it, and loved it
26:00 <baz> and now I can't find her two other collections, they're just not in stores
26:18 <baz> Grace Paley has been a recent one, I've wanted to read her for a long time
26:32 <baz> and I happened to see her first collection of stories, The Little Disturbances of Man, in an independent bookshop
26:37 <baz> so I bought it and read it, and loved it
26:52 <baz> and now I can't find her two other collections, they're just not in stores
27:00 <Tigger_> what about online?
27:00 <baz> she's one of those 20th's century writers who haven't become classic enough to be featured in the classics section
27:00 <baz> but aren't contemporary enough to be in the general/literary fiction section
27:00 <baz> it'd take up precious space
27:00 <baz> even though she's highly regarded
27:09 <Tigger_> what about online?
27:20 <baz> she's one of those 20th's century writers who haven't become classic enough to be featured in the classics section
27:37 <baz> but aren't contemporary enough to be in the general/literary fiction section
27:55 <baz> it'd take up precious space
28:00 <baz> I don't like buying online, I do it occasionally but I try very hard not to.
28:00 <Tigger_> ah yes, the dead zone before they go out of copyright cheap to reprint as classics
28:00 <baz> another one is John O'Hara, who I've become interested in and decided I want to read
28:00 <baz> but he just ain't anywhere.
28:03 <baz> even though she's highly regarded
28:14 <baz> I don't like buying online, I do it occasionally but I try very hard not to.
28:14 <Tigger_> ah yes, the dead zone before they go out of copyright cheap to reprint as classics
28:48 <baz> another one is John O'Hara, who I've become interested in and decided I want to read
28:52 <baz> but he just ain't anywhere.
29:00 <Tigger_> she died in 2007, so it'll be 2077 or so before she's out of copyright
29:14 <Tigger_> she died in 2007, so it'll be 2077 or so before she's out of copyright
30:00 <baz> and they're even really difficult to find online too
30:00 <baz> you mostly just find their collected stories, or complete stories
30:00 <baz> which I don't like to buy as big fat tomes
30:12 <baz> and they're even really difficult to find online too
30:35 <baz> you mostly just find their collected stories, or complete stories
30:43 <baz> which I don't like to buy as big fat tomes
31:00 <baz> I want to experience the collections separately, as individual books
31:00 <Tigger_> there is Abe Books, though they price according to the whale principal
31:04 <baz> I want to experience the collections separately, as individual books
31:52 <Tigger_> there is Abe Books, though they price according to the whale principal
33:00 <baz> yeah, I've purchased through Abe Books before
33:35 <baz> yeah, I've purchased through Abe Books before
34:00 <baz> have you read TBK?
34:00 <Tigger_> yes
34:08 <baz> have you read TBK?
34:18 <Tigger_> yes
35:00 <Tigger_> I've read all of Dostoyevsky's major works, but overlooked things that are considered lesser, like Raw Youth and the Insulted and the Injured
35:06 <Tigger_> I've read all of Dostoyevsky's major works, but overlooked things that are considered lesser, like Raw Youth and the Insulted and the Injured
36:00 <Warren1984> xm do you feel fustrated that the claremont serial killer has not yet being caught?
36:41 <Warren1984> xm do you feel fustrated that the claremont serial killer has not yet being caught?
37:00 <baz> nice
37:33 <baz> nice
40:00 <baz> all the characters in the novel are neurotic and frantic
40:00 <baz> it's interesting
40:21 <baz> all the characters in the novel are neurotic and frantic
40:27 <baz> it's interesting
41:00 <Tigger_> that reminds me of a conversation between Kafka and Max Brod, about all of Dostoyevsky's characters being ill
41:40 <Tigger_> that reminds me of a conversation between Kafka and Max Brod, about all of Dostoyevsky's characters being ill
42:00 <baz> also it's very much a whole made up separate parts, if that makes sense
42:00 <baz> separate set pieces etc
42:27 <baz> also it's very much a whole made up separate parts, if that makes sense
42:50 <baz> separate set pieces etc
43:00 <baz> hmm... I don't think any of the brothers are the father is ill, not yet anyway
43:00 <baz> though there are ill characters for sure
43:49 <baz> hmm... I don't think any of the brothers are the father is ill, not yet anyway
44:00 <baz> are = or*
44:00 <Tigger_> I think he meant as in psychologically ill
44:00 <baz> oh
44:00 <baz> well yeah they're all pretty much often torn between extremes
44:02 <baz> though there are ill characters for sure
44:19 <baz> are = or*
44:20 <Tigger_> I think he meant as in psychologically ill
44:34 <baz> oh
44:59 <baz> well yeah they're all pretty much often torn between extremes
45:00 <baz> they go from one extreme to another, whether of a way of thinking, or behaving
45:23 <baz> they go from one extreme to another, whether of a way of thinking, or behaving
46:00 <baz> for example they'll go red and tremble all over with rage over something, and the next minute they're placid and smiling menacingly or whatever
46:21 <baz> for example they'll go red and tremble all over with rage over something, and the next minute they're placid and smiling menacingly or whatever
47:00 <baz> Nabokov didn't like it
47:00 <Tigger_> the most distinctive polarity shifting behaviour I can think of in Dostoyevsky is Raskolnikov, who detects that a man is a child molester, urging the police to arrest him, then a moment later becomes indifferent and says "let him have his fun"
47:11 <baz> Nabokov didn't like it
47:49 <Tigger_> the most distinctive polarity shifting behaviour I can think of in Dostoyevsky is Raskolnikov, who detects that a man is a child molester, urging the police to arrest him, then a moment later becomes indifferent and says "let him have his fun"
48:00 <baz> hah
48:00 <baz> actually, the father in TBK is very much like that
48:25 <baz> hah
48:44 <baz> actually, the father in TBK is very much like that
49:00 <Tigger_> I can't say I've encountered too many people like that before
49:00 <baz> he's the most elusive, I don't really understand him yet.
49:00 <baz> I haven't either.
49:18 <Tigger_> I can't say I've encountered too many people like that before
49:21 <baz> he's the most elusive, I don't really understand him yet.
49:40 <baz> I haven't either.
50:00 <baz> I think there's an element of absurdity to the way the characters are drawn
50:00 <baz> there's got to be
50:00 <baz> this is from Wiki: Nabokov complains that the novels are peopled by "neurotics and lunatics" and states that Dostoyevsky's characters do not develop: "We get them all complete at the beginning of the tale and so they remain."
50:00 <baz> I personally don't mind if the characters are the same at the end as they were in the beginning
50:00 <Mx_Trump> Mr. Trump suggested Mr. Carson’s low-key demeanor showed he wasn’t tough enough to lead the U.S. in international negotiations.
50:00 <Mx_Trump> “Nobody’s going to be able to do what I do,” he said on CNN. “He’s just not going to be able to do deals with China, to do deals with Japan.”
50:00 <Mx_Trump> Mr. Carson responded that he had showed plenty of toughness and stamina in his career as a neurosurgeon.
50:00 <Mx_Trump> “In terms of energy, I’m not sure that there’s anyone else running who has spent 18 or 20 hours intently operating on somebody,” he said on NBC.
50:11 <baz> I think there's an element of absurdity to the way the characters are drawn
50:13 <baz> there's got to be
50:29 <baz> this is from Wiki: Nabokov complains that the novels are peopled by "neurotics and lunatics" and states that Dostoyevsky's characters do not develop: "We get them all complete at the beginning of the tale and so they remain."
50:59 <baz> I personally don't mind if the characters are the same at the end as they were in the beginning
51:00 <Mx_Trump> http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-slaps-carson-as-polls-shift-1445812954
51:00 <progressive> [ Trump Slaps Carson as Polls Shift - WSJ ] - www.wsj.com
51:00 <Tigger_> I'm actually with Dostoyevsky on this, I've witnessed very little change in people, except a gradual downwards slide
51:02 <Mx_Trump> Mr. Trump suggested Mr. Carson’s low-key demeanor showed he wasn’t tough enough to lead the U.S. in international negotiations.
51:02 <Mx_Trump> “Nobody’s going to be able to do what I do,” he said on CNN. “He’s just not going to be able to do deals with China, to do deals with Japan.”
51:02 <Mx_Trump> Mr. Carson responded that he had showed plenty of toughness and stamina in his career as a neurosurgeon.
51:02 <Mx_Trump> “In terms of energy, I’m not sure that there’s anyone else running who has spent 18 or 20 hours intently operating on somebody,” he said on NBC.
51:12 <Mx_Trump> http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-slaps-carson-as-polls-shift-1445812954
51:13 <progressive> [ Trump Slaps Carson as Polls Shift - WSJ ] - www.wsj.com
51:44 <Tigger_> I'm actually with Dostoyevsky on this, I've witnessed very little change in people, except a gradual downwards slide
53:00 <baz> not all books need to be about character development
53:54 <baz> not all books need to be about character development
54:00 <Tigger_> I am not sure that experiences do affect personality development very much, it seems to be more innate
54:00 <baz> I don't think Humbert Humbert changed much in the course of Lolita
54:06 <Tigger_> I am not sure that experiences do affect personality development very much, it seems to be more innate
54:20 <baz> I don't think Humbert Humbert changed much in the course of Lolita
55:00 <Tigger_> that is true, at the end he knew that Lolita was grown up now, and his desires had switched to her future daughters
55:20 <Tigger_> that is true, at the end he knew that Lolita was grown up now, and his desires had switched to her future daughters
56:00 <baz> mmm, so I'm not sure what Nabokov meant really by that criticism.
56:00 <Tigger_> in The Trial Josef K was protesting his innocence till the last page
56:07 <baz> mmm, so I'm not sure what Nabokov meant really by that criticism.
56:43 <Tigger_> in The Trial Josef K was protesting his innocence till the last page
57:00 <baz> he may have been misquoted, or it may have been part of a larger statement he made in which the context gives it a different meaning.
57:00 <baz> Nabokov knows better than that.
57:37 <baz> he may have been misquoted, or it may have been part of a larger statement he made in which the context gives it a different meaning.
57:51 <baz> Nabokov knows better than that.
02:00 <Tigger_> actually something I've thought about a bit is how fiction has mislead me in life about people developing and changing
02:15 <Tigger_> actually something I've thought about a bit is how fiction has mislead me in life about people developing and changing
03:00 <baz> hmm, that's interesting
03:00 <baz> to me a book isn't good if a character changes drastically
03:00 <baz> you know, things can happen to characters that kind of rearrange them emotionally
03:00 <Tigger_> obviously they would if they woke up from a coma or something
03:11 <baz> hmm, that's interesting
03:30 <baz> to me a book isn't good if a character changes drastically
03:43 <baz> you know, things can happen to characters that kind of rearrange them emotionally
03:55 <Tigger_> obviously they would if they woke up from a coma or something
04:00 <baz> which if done well is good and artistic, and a big part of the reason why I read fiction
04:11 <baz> which if done well is good and artistic, and a big part of the reason why I read fiction
05:00 <circle> i wish i read more fiction
05:00 <circle> i read all non fiction
05:00 <circle> so i'm full of facts
05:00 <circle> but missing...something
05:34 <circle> i wish i read more fiction
05:36 <circle> i read all non fiction
05:39 <circle> so i'm full of facts
05:41 <circle> but missing...something
08:00 <Tigger_> circle, start with a few random classics
08:00 <circle> i have trouble finishing what i start
08:48 <Tigger_> circle, start with a few random classics
09:00 <circle> i have trouble finishing what i start
09:00 <circle> i read the first 50% of the book in about a day
09:00 <circle> another 20% over the next week
09:00 <circle> then never pick it up again
09:00 <circle> no matter how hard i try
09:00 <circle> i have read ~80% of lolita btw
09:00 <Tigger_> what causes the loss of motivation?
09:06 <circle> i read the first 50% of the book in about a day
09:09 <circle> another 20% over the next week
09:12 <circle> then never pick it up again
09:16 <circle> no matter how hard i try
09:21 <circle> i have read ~80% of lolita btw
09:41 <Tigger_> what causes the loss of motivation?
10:00 <circle> other things seem more pressing and interesting
10:00 <baz> that's so interesting
10:00 <baz> you read that far, and don't want to know what happens next?
10:00 <circle> i definitely do
10:13 <circle> other things seem more pressing and interesting
10:33 <baz> that's so interesting
10:49 <baz> you read that far, and don't want to know what happens next?
10:58 <circle> i definitely do
11:00 <circle> i just lose that initial motivation to plow through the pages
11:00 <circle> and eventually just think whatever i'm doing now is more interesting
11:00 <xm> i was about 30% through Anna K
11:00 <xm> my problem is by the time i want to start again ive forgotten what happened
11:07 <circle> i just lose that initial motivation to plow through the pages
11:16 <circle> and eventually just think whatever i'm doing now is more interesting
11:37 <xm> i was about 30% through Anna K
11:57 <xm> my problem is by the time i want to start again ive forgotten what happened
12:00 <xm> also i have no idea how people read multiple books at once
12:00 <xm> my brain is wired to deal with fiction one at a time, probably best to finish a book after reading it in contiguous days
12:00 <xm> if there's a gap i'll lose the 'flow'
12:00 <baz> I'm the same xm
12:00 <circle> studies keep saying the flow is a huge thing
12:13 <xm> also i have no idea how people read multiple books at once
12:40 <xm> my brain is wired to deal with fiction one at a time, probably best to finish a book after reading it in contiguous days
12:50 <xm> if there's a gap i'll lose the 'flow'
12:54 <baz> I'm the same xm
12:59 <circle> studies keep saying the flow is a huge thing
13:00 <baz> and also Anna Karenina is possibly my all time favourite novel.
13:00 <baz> keep going!
13:00 <xm> strangely i have no problem with non-fiction, i go through that very fast
13:00 <circle> but i can quite easily study a maths textbook (as a pdf) while reading other shit at the same time, doing ~2 minutes of maths then back to browsing the internet or ircing
13:00 <xm> but non-fiction isnt culturally enrichening, just fun to learn
13:00 <baz> circle, but that kind of doesn't make sense to me... you do want to know what happens next, however you also lose motivation to plow through the pages?
13:00 <baz> wanting to know what happens next is a motivation to turn the page
13:00 <xm> im up to chapter 5 in crime & punishment i think. i remember more of that
13:04 <baz> and also Anna Karenina is possibly my all time favourite novel.
13:08 <baz> keep going!
13:18 <xm> strangely i have no problem with non-fiction, i go through that very fast
13:29 <circle> but i can quite easily study a maths textbook (as a pdf) while reading other shit at the same time, doing ~2 minutes of maths then back to browsing the internet or ircing
13:35 <xm> but non-fiction isnt culturally enrichening, just fun to learn
13:42 <baz> circle, but that kind of doesn't make sense to me... you do want to know what happens next, however you also lose motivation to plow through the pages?
13:57 <baz> wanting to know what happens next is a motivation to turn the page
14:00 <xm> im up to chapter 5 in crime & punishment i think. i remember more of that
14:00 <xm> bercause i re-read it a lot as i went
14:00 <circle> baz: yes, but the story becomes familiar and other issues in the world start to press..i have 2 stalin biographies i'm currently trying to read and currently i'm stuck on 50% in the first one and really trying not to open the second one which has become so enticing
14:11 <xm> bercause i re-read it a lot as i went
14:34 <circle> baz: yes, but the story becomes familiar and other issues in the world start to press..i have 2 stalin biographies i'm currently trying to read and currently i'm stuck on 50% in the first one and really trying not to open the second one which has become so enticing
15:00 <baz> fair enough
15:00 <baz> it may just not be your thing, I guess
15:00 <baz> fiction isn't for everybody
15:00 <circle> its just a flaw 
15:00 <circle> that i have
15:00 <circle> i will fix it at some point
15:00 <baz> you're just not as artistically inclined
15:00 <xm> highschool ruins fiction for kkids
15:00 <xm> i read a lot of fiction before i was a teenager
15:00 <xm> well compared to most kids anyway
15:05 <baz> fair enough
15:11 <baz> it may just not be your thing, I guess
15:18 <baz> fiction isn't for everybody
15:18 <circle> its just a flaw
15:20 <circle> that i have
15:27 <circle> i will fix it at some point
15:32 <baz> you're just not as artistically inclined
15:35 <xm> highschool ruins fiction for kkids
15:53 <xm> i read a lot of fiction before i was a teenager
16:00 <xm> it wasnt heavy material but it was way more than i did as a teenager
16:00 <xm> probably the heaviest i attempted was pilgrim's progress
16:01 <xm> well compared to most kids anyway
16:19 <xm> it wasnt heavy material but it was way more than i did as a teenager
16:38 <xm> probably the heaviest i attempted was pilgrim's progress
17:00 <Tigger_> highschool is a crime against literature, as it sets up a punishment to follow the reward
17:00 <baz> agreed
17:00 <baz> like for fuck's sake we read Shakespeare in high school
17:00 <baz> who the fuck can comprehend Shakespeare at that age
17:00 <circle> females shouldn't be teachers
17:00 <baz> it makes me so angry, don't even get me started
17:00 <circle> that's the main problem with schools
17:07 <Tigger_> highschool is a crime against literature, as it sets up a punishment to follow the reward
17:19 <baz> agreed
17:30 <baz> like for fuck's sake we read Shakespeare in high school
17:38 <baz> who the fuck can comprehend Shakespeare at that age
17:51 <baz> it makes me so angry, don't even get me started
17:51 <circle> females shouldn't be teachers
17:56 <circle> that's the main problem with schools
18:00 <circle> women trying to teach boys
18:00 <xm> because it's in an academic environment it also encourages kids to learn it robotically for the sake of highscores, so they'd get cheat guides etc etc
18:00 <Tigger_> if I was setting out an English literature program for schools, I'd just mandate a book to read every week or two, no assignments, essays, etc.  reading 20 books with no analysis is far superior to reading two books with heavy analysis
18:05 <circle> women trying to teach boys
18:17 <xm> because it's in an academic environment it also encourages kids to learn it robotically for the sake of highscores, so they'd get cheat guides etc etc
18:47 <Tigger_> if I was setting out an English literature program for schools, I'd just mandate a book to read every week or two, no assignments, essays, etc. reading 20 books with no analysis is far superior to reading two books with heavy analysis
19:00 <circle> most people would not read the books
19:00 <Tigger_> don't worry if they don't
19:00 <baz> or just discuss the book in class every so often, scrap the fucking essays
19:00 <circle> make kids watch rabbet proof fence
19:00 <circle> 3 times every year
19:00 <circle> for 12 years of school
19:13 <circle> most people would not read the books
19:25 <Tigger_> don't worry if they don't
19:35 <baz> or just discuss the book in class every so often, scrap the fucking essays
19:56 <circle> make kids watch rabbet proof fence
19:58 <circle> 3 times every year
20:00 <circle> so they know white people are racist cunts
20:00 <xm> haha that is what i meant. either they dont read it or skim read it aligned with the 'answers'
20:01 <circle> for 12 years of school
20:06 <circle> so they know white people are racist cunts
20:15 <xm> haha that is what i meant. either they dont read it or skim read it aligned with the 'answers'
21:00 <xm> i only did ordinary english in highschool because i heard they did plays in lit, and i basically just read a third of the book and barely passed. actually i think i failed it and you cant get into uni if you can supposedly, but somehow i got let through
21:00 <Tigger_> for me exposure and immersion in literature achieves a million times more than the tooth extraction of writing some idiotic essay
21:00 <xm> yeah similar to music as well
21:27 <xm> i only did ordinary english in highschool because i heard they did plays in lit, and i basically just read a third of the book and barely passed. actually i think i failed it and you cant get into uni if you can supposedly, but somehow i got let through
21:29 <Tigger_> for me exposure and immersion in literature achieves a million times more than the tooth extraction of writing some idiotic essay
21:46 <xm> yeah similar to music as well
22:00 <xm> there is a funny Vangelis quote how in music classes he'd pretend to read the sheets but he just played by ear
22:25 <xm> there is a funny Vangelis quote how in music classes he'd pretend to read the sheets but he just played by ear
23:00 <baz> agree
23:00 <xm> id give far more respect to someone who understands something intuitively than having to approach it like a science
23:42 <baz> agree
23:55 <xm> id give far more respect to someone who understands something intuitively than having to approach it like a science
24:00 <Tigger_> actually if you look at any of those lists of 100 most popular books as voted by the public, what you continually see is that the less painful books kids had to read at school are near the top, evidently they never really read much after that experience
24:36 <Tigger_> actually if you look at any of those lists of 100 most popular books as voted by the public, what you continually see is that the less painful books kids had to read at school are near the top, evidently they never really read much after that experience
25:00 <xm> homeschool kids are probably less philistine
25:37 <xm> homeschool kids are probably less philistine
26:00 <xm> probably not as PC too i assume
26:00 <baz> so true Tigger_
26:00 <circle> maybe we should stop the elitism surrounding books
26:00 <circle> that will go a long way to getting many who miss out on them into them
26:00 <circle> i suspect
26:07 <xm> probably not as PC too i assume
26:15 <baz> so true Tigger_
26:37 <circle> maybe we should stop the elitism surrounding books
26:45 <circle> that will go a long way to getting many who miss out on them into them
26:46 <circle> i suspect
27:07 <xm> someone like John Marsden must have made a killing after the school curriculums forced kids to buy it
27:28 <baz> or schools should just get students in English class to pick their own books to read
27:29 <xm> Tomorrow When the War Began
27:34 <baz> I remember hating being prescribed what to read
27:44 <baz> it's why I never did Literature as a class
27:55 <xm> i wonder if any uni courses require a specific lit book to be read
27:58 <Tigger_> actually I wouldn't let kids choose for themselves, it'd all be Twilight and so on
28:00 <xm> someone like John Marsden must have made a killing after the school curriculums forced kids to buy it
28:00 <baz> or schools should just get students in English class to pick their own books to read
28:00 <xm> Tomorrow When the War Began
28:00 <baz> I remember hating being prescribed what to read
28:00 <baz> it's why I never did Literature as a class
28:00 <xm> i wonder if any uni courses require a specific lit book to be read
28:00 <Tigger_> actually I wouldn't let kids choose for themselves, it'd all be Twilight and so on
28:00 <baz> probably
28:00 <circle> id give every kid a copy of man, economy & state
28:00 <baz> Tigger_, you could have a set of exclusions
28:04 <baz> probably
28:18 <circle> id give every kid a copy of man, economy & state
28:19 <baz> Tigger_, you could have a set of exclusions
30:00 <Tigger_> actually I think it's fine to teach Shakespeare in school, I suspect kids remember Macbeth better than a lot of the easier works they had to read
30:21 <Tigger_> actually I think it's fine to teach Shakespeare in school, I suspect kids remember Macbeth better than a lot of the easier works they had to read
31:00 <xm> did anyone here have to do plays at school for English?
31:08 <xm> did anyone here have to do plays at school for English?
31:18 <Tigger_> yes, did a fair few plays
31:28 <xm> did you taker them seriously or take the piss?
31:31 <xm> take*
31:32 <circle> do you get to kiss pretty girls in school plays
31:40 <circle> because its "part of the play"
31:52 <xm> well my friend who did lit said it was mostly attractive girls in his class and had to have a girl fall into his lap
32:00 <Tigger_> yes, did a fair few plays
32:00 <xm> did you taker them seriously or take the piss?
32:00 <xm> take*
32:00 <circle> do you get to kiss pretty girls in school plays
32:00 <circle> because its "part of the play"
32:00 <xm> well my friend who did lit said it was mostly attractive girls in his class and had to have a girl fall into his lap
32:00 <circle> hahaha
32:00 <circle> that'd be right
32:00 <xm> sounds good to me
32:00 <Tigger_> sometimes boys would have to read/act out the female parts, which invariably resulted in them doing a high pitched matronly voice, which is what we thought females sounded like
32:00 <xm> lol
32:00 <circle> i won the school talent show
32:00 <circle> for break dancing to britney spears' 'toxic'
32:00 <circle> haha
32:00 <xm> quite the extrovert
32:00 <Tigger_> that's quite an admission
32:00 <xm> i would never want that attention
32:00 <circle> i was like 8 tho
32:00 <circle> and did it with a few mates
32:00 <xm> oh right
32:00 <circle> we won a chocolate bar
32:02 <circle> hahaha
32:03 <circle> that'd be right
32:04 <xm> sounds good to me
32:04 <Tigger_> sometimes boys would have to read/act out the female parts, which invariably resulted in them doing a high pitched matronly voice, which is what we thought females sounded like
32:11 <xm> lol
32:28 <circle> i won the school talent show
32:33 <circle> for break dancing to britney spears' 'toxic'
32:37 <circle> haha
32:47 <xm> quite the extrovert
32:49 <Tigger_> that's quite an admission
32:52 <xm> i would never want that attention
32:54 <circle> i was like 8 tho
32:57 <circle> and did it with a few mates
32:58 <xm> oh right
32:59 <circle> we won a chocolate bar
33:00 <xm> lol
33:00 <circle> for like 3 months of work
33:00 <xm> you could have broken a leg too
33:04 <xm> lol
33:04 <circle> for like 3 months of work
33:39 <xm> you could have broken a leg too
35:00 <circle> yep
35:00 <circle> also some kid in the audience got a prize for sitting well
35:00 <circle> it was a chocolate bar
35:00 <circle> the same one we got
35:00 <circle> for winning the show
35:24 <circle> yep
35:42 <circle> also some kid in the audience got a prize for sitting well
35:45 <circle> it was a chocolate bar
35:47 <circle> the same one we got
35:48 <circle> for winning the show
36:00 <Tigger_> they deliberately do that to undermine your efforts
36:00 <xm> pretty good if he had ADD
36:00 <xm> but if he had ADD that chocolate bar would probably make him run around
36:17 <Tigger_> they deliberately do that to undermine your efforts
36:21 <xm> pretty good if he had ADD
36:37 <xm> but if he had ADD that chocolate bar would probably make him run around
37:00 <xm> yeah the system is trying to tell the youth of that generation to not bother to try at anything, all you get will be a lousy chocolate bar
37:00 <xm> im back on tehparadox
37:00 <circle> im pretty sure some of the female teachers sexually harassed us students
37:00 <xm> you know how they split files?
37:00 <circle> they would bend over and shove their asses into our faces
37:00 <xm> and then place those parts over multiple file hosts
37:00 <circle> sometimes you could even smell their butthole it was so close
37:15 <xm> yeah the system is trying to tell the youth of that generation to not bother to try at anything, all you get will be a lousy chocolate bar
37:42 <xm> im back on tehparadox
37:48 <circle> im pretty sure some of the female teachers sexually harassed us students
37:50 <xm> you know how they split files?
37:54 <circle> they would bend over and shove their asses into our faces
37:57 <xm> and then place those parts over multiple file hosts
38:00 <xm> each file part is identical right?
38:00 <xm> so you can get part 1 from one f.h. then another from another f.h. and then another etc?
38:00 <circle> xm: if they've been split by the same person in the same operation, yes
38:00 <Tigger_> yes, the parts are identical
38:02 <circle> sometimes you could even smell their butthole it was so close
38:07 <xm> each file part is identical right?
38:23 <xm> so you can get part 1 from one f.h. then another from another f.h. and then another etc?
38:35 <circle> xm: if they've been split by the same person in the same operation, yes
38:45 <Tigger_> yes, the parts are identical
41:00 <xm> first time ive seen this auto capture thing by JD
41:00 <Tigger_> that has been a feature from the start
41:00 <xm> it tried to enter the captcha for me, but i disabled it. i dont trust it
41:23 <xm> first time ive seen this auto capture thing by JD
41:42 <Tigger_> that has been a feature from the start
41:43 <xm> it tried to enter the captcha for me, but i disabled it. i dont trust it
42:00 <xm> yeah i remember it being around but it never came up with a popup for me until now
42:00 <xm> how reliable is it?
42:00 <Tigger_> I don't know, I have an account, so don't use it
42:00 <xm> do you use more than one FH at the moment?
42:07 <xm> yeah i remember it being around but it never came up with a popup for me until now
42:10 <xm> how reliable is it?
42:31 <Tigger_> I don't know, I have an account, so don't use it
42:48 <xm> do you use more than one FH at the moment?
43:00 <Tigger_> no
43:04 <Tigger_> no
45:00 <xm> uploading seems to be deadlinks whenever i see it
45:42 <xm> uploading seems to be deadlinks whenever i see it
47:00 <xm> the software im getting is about 40k to buy
47:36 <xm> the software im getting is about 40k to buy
48:00 <xm> my intention isnt really to use it in the long-term, but to verify that my own app produces the same results
48:00 <Tigger_> UL links work for about two or three months then expire
48:00 <Tigger_> but much sooner if a rights holder complains
48:00 <xm> which FH you with now?
48:00 <Tigger_> UL
48:00 <Tigger_> since it's what everyone uses
48:00 <xm> i see
48:15 <xm> my intention isnt really to use it in the long-term, but to verify that my own app produces the same results
48:27 <Tigger_> UL links work for about two or three months then expire
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48:45 <Tigger_> but much sooner if a rights holder complains
48:45 <xm> which FH you with now?
48:50 <Tigger_> UL
48:57 <Tigger_> since it's what everyone uses
49:00 <xm> probably the reason why it gets taken off quickly then
49:00 <xm> but good enough if you're quick
49:00 <xm> i wonder how usenet piracy is going
49:00 <Tigger_> if you have a downloading career then it's a good choice
49:00 <Tigger_> I don't really hear much about usenet now
49:01 <xm> i see
49:08 <xm> probably the reason why it gets taken off quickly then
49:17 <xm> but good enough if you're quick
49:40 <xm> i wonder how usenet piracy is going
49:43 <Tigger_> if you have a downloading career then it's a good choice
49:56 <Tigger_> I don't really hear much about usenet now
50:00 <xm> i wonder what usenet is even used for now... other than piracy
50:00 <Tigger_> what I am expecting at some point is irc fserves to come back
50:00 <xm> heh
50:00 <xm> i hated the errors in some files
50:00 <xm> and queues
50:14 <xm> i wonder what usenet is even used for now... other than piracy
50:23 <Tigger_> what I am expecting at some point is irc fserves to come back
50:30 <xm> heh
50:37 <xm> i hated the errors in some files
50:48 <xm> and queues
51:00 <xm> i still use fserves for some books now and then but the books seem a bit dated
51:00 <xm> i think the most underground i'd get is soulseek
51:07 <xm> i still use fserves for some books now and then but the books seem a bit dated
51:23 <xm> i think the most underground i'd get is soulseek
52:00 <xm> i did read whirlpool posts recently about how some Australians arent getting decent speeds, like they are close to capacity. i hope it's just the odd user with some other problem
52:00 <xm> my main thing is music and i prefer to get that with torrents as the EDM music culture is better there
52:20 <xm> i did read whirlpool posts recently about how some Australians arent getting decent speeds, like they are close to capacity. i hope it's just the odd user with some other problem
53:00 <xm> my main thing is music and i prefer to get that with torrents as the EDM music culture is better there
53:00 <xm> if you want to download A LOT
53:00 <Tigger_> an fserve over VPN would be pretty close to impossible to shut down, so once every other piracy avenue is shut down, that's what will be left
53:00 <Mx_Trump> howw many gig of music are you up to now xm?
53:09 <xm> if you want to download A LOT
53:11 <Tigger_> an fserve over VPN would be pretty close to impossible to shut down, so once every other piracy avenue is shut down, that's what will be left
54:00 <xm> gigs? what year is this? 1999!
54:00 <xm> i havent added it all up yet and organised, it'd be close to 6TB now
54:00 <Mx_Trump> how many exabytes?
54:01 <Mx_Trump> howw many gig of music are you up to now xm?
54:17 <xm> gigs? what year is this? 1999!
54:42 <xm> i havent added it all up yet and organised, it'd be close to 6TB now
54:43 <Mx_Trump> how many exabytes?
55:00 <xm> there was one guy here... either supafly or sugafly... and he had like 3TB back around 2006
55:00 <xm> by now he'd have over 10TB
55:00 <xm> he claims that he has receipts for all the music
55:00 <xm> and that he pays it off by buying laptops, pimping them, then reselling
55:21 <xm> there was one guy here... either supafly or sugafly... and he had like 3TB back around 2006
55:32 <xm> by now he'd have over 10TB
55:42 <xm> he claims that he has receipts for all the music
55:55 <xm> and that he pays it off by buying laptops, pimping them, then reselling
56:00 <circle> why do so many people have a fetish for buying music
56:00 <circle> ive known a few people
56:00 <xm> all for his silly radio station that probably only has 1 listener... a random that probably accidentally clicked in
56:00 <circle> who have thse huge music collections
56:00 <circle> hudnreds of gigs
56:00 <xm> i can understand vinyl
56:00 <circle> and claim to have bought it all
56:00 <xm> oh you meant digital?
56:00 <circle> no they buy the cds
56:00 <xm> CDs are stupidddd
56:00 <circle> and then back them up onto their computers
56:08 <circle> why do so many people have a fetish for buying music
56:10 <circle> ive known a few people
56:13 <xm> all for his silly radio station that probably only has 1 listener... a random that probably accidentally clicked in
56:16 <circle> who have thse huge music collections
56:17 <circle> hudnreds of gigs
56:21 <xm> i can understand vinyl
56:22 <circle> and claim to have bought it all
56:25 <xm> oh you meant digital?
56:31 <circle> no they buy the cds
56:36 <xm> CDs are stupidddd
56:37 <circle> and then back them up onto their computers
58:00 <Tigger_> digital music sales are sliding, while vinyl sales are on the up
58:00 <xm> my rapidgator and secureupload are both capped at 50kb/s it seems
58:00 <xm> im in no rush, good enough for what i want
58:27 <Tigger_> digital music sales are sliding, while vinyl sales are on the up
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58:44 <xm> my rapidgator and secureupload are both capped at 50kb/s it seems
58:56 <xm> im in no rush, good enough for what i want
59:00 <SurlyDuff> <xm> i wonder what usenet is even used for now... other than piracy <-- /cp/
59:00 <Tigger_> though digital sales & streaming are now equal to physical CD sales this year
59:00 <xm> i thought cp would be on that dark web
59:00 <xm> i wouldnt mind buying lossless music of some msongs but i wouldnt turn it into a habit
59:11 <SurlyDuff> <xm> i wonder what usenet is even used for now... other than piracy <-- /cp/
59:15 <Tigger_> though digital sales & streaming are now equal to physical CD sales this year
59:29 <xm> i thought cp would be on that dark web
59:48 <xm> i wouldnt mind buying lossless music of some msongs but i wouldnt turn it into a habit
00:00 <xm> wouldnt usenet be public and very trackable of who uploaded it?
00:00 <Tigger_> when I last browsed usenet years ago, there was cp spam in every group, no matter how non-sexual the group was
00:00 <xm> actual images? or just links?
00:00 <SurlyDuff> actual images
00:13 <xm> wouldnt usenet be public and very trackable of who uploaded it?
00:25 <Tigger_> when I last browsed usenet years ago, there was cp spam in every group, no matter how non-sexual the group was
00:41 <xm> actual images? or just links?
00:50 <SurlyDuff> actual images
01:00 <Tigger_> I never clicked them on to find out, I don't want to be scarred for life
01:00 <xm> so people can get done just by browsing alt.books.christian ?
01:00 <Tigger_> no you wouldn't be prosecuted for that, not that I've ever heard anyway
01:00 <circle> you can be prosecuted for drawn images of characters which look under 18 in australia
01:07 <Tigger_> I never clicked them on to find out, I don't want to be scarred for life
01:07 <xm> so people can get done just by browsing alt.books.christian ?
01:35 <Tigger_> no you wouldn't be prosecuted for that, not that I've ever heard anyway
01:47 <circle> you can be prosecuted for drawn images of characters which look under 18 in australia
02:00 <xm> i remember when i was using some old p2p client, maybe gnutella or something, and you could see a list to the right of what people were searching for
02:00 <xm> it was quite bizarre
02:00 <circle> haha
02:00 <xm> i think soulseek does something similar now too
02:00 <circle> i remember seeing all those porn links comes up when i was searching in limewire as a small kid
02:00 <circle> "hot blonde fucks a dog"
02:00 <circle> etc
02:00 <Tigger_> I've seen those search lists, and they're quite strange, things like "where is my lost dog?"
02:00 <xm> lmao
02:08 <xm> i remember when i was using some old p2p client, maybe gnutella or something, and you could see a list to the right of what people were searching for
02:14 <xm> it was quite bizarre
02:30 <circle> haha
02:30 <xm> i think soulseek does something similar now too
02:50 <circle> i remember seeing all those porn links comes up when i was searching in limewire as a small kid
02:53 <circle> "hot blonde fucks a dog"
02:54 <circle> etc
02:56 <Tigger_> I've seen those search lists, and they're quite strange, things like "where is my lost dog?"
03:00 <xm> oh yeah i once downloaded a bonsai documentary for dad but then it turned out to be "killer pussies iv"
03:00 <xm> another time i got "catch me if you can" and it was porn too
03:00 <circle> hahaa
03:00 <circle> that was always a fear of mine
03:00 <circle> DL a movie for dad
03:00 <circle> he puts it on
03:00 <xm> it was at work too
03:00 <circle> turns out it's porn
03:00 <xm> lucky i checked it too
03:02 <xm> lmao
03:22 <xm> oh yeah i once downloaded a bonsai documentary for dad but then it turned out to be "killer pussies iv"
03:39 <xm> another time i got "catch me if you can" and it was porn too
03:40 <circle> hahaa
03:46 <circle> that was always a fear of mine
03:48 <circle> DL a movie for dad
03:50 <circle> he puts it on
03:51 <xm> it was at work too
03:52 <circle> turns out it's porn
04:00 <Tigger_> that only ever happened to me once, I was downloading the new Madonna album, it turned out to be gay porn.  I wouldn't be surprised if she did that herself
04:00 <xm> i bet that was the quicked time you've ever had to close a window
04:00 <xm> quickest*
04:02 <xm> lucky i checked it too
04:27 <Tigger_> that only ever happened to me once, I was downloading the new Madonna album, it turned out to be gay porn. I wouldn't be surprised if she did that herself
04:48 <xm> i bet that was the quicked time you've ever had to close a window
04:53 <xm> quickest*
05:00 <SurlyDuff> porn movies always have the best titles
05:00 <Mx_Trump> more like you were downloading gay porn and it turned out to be the new madonna album
05:00 <Tigger_> I was thinking "Maybe she comes on after these two guys finish?"
05:00 <Tigger_> lol Mx_Trump 
05:00 <xm> "oh this music video is so edgy!!!"
05:12 <SurlyDuff> porn movies always have the best titles
05:16 <Mx_Trump> more like you were downloading gay porn and it turned out to be the new madonna album
05:23 <Tigger_> I was thinking "Maybe she comes on after these two guys finish?"
05:38 <Tigger_> lol Mx_Trump
05:39 <xm> "oh this music video is so edgy!!!"
06:00 <Tigger_> the only porn film I easily remember the name of is Butt Junkies II
06:00 <xm> does warren have I & II
06:00 <xm> or just II
06:22 <Tigger_> the only porn film I easily remember the name of is Butt Junkies II
06:52 <xm> does warren have I & II
06:54 <xm> or just II
07:00 <xm> warren answer this accusations
07:00 <xm> tehse*
07:00 <Tigger_> just II
07:00 <xm> ill get him "I" for his birthday then
07:00 <xm> he must feel very OCD about this
07:00 <SurlyDuff> "Willy Wanker and the Fudge Packing Factor"
07:00 <xm> sometimes friends look out for each other
07:22 <xm> warren answer this accusations
07:26 <xm> tehse*
07:29 <Tigger_> just II
07:34 <xm> ill get him "I" for his birthday then
07:46 <xm> he must feel very OCD about this
07:58 <SurlyDuff> "Willy Wanker and the Fudge Packing Factor"
08:00 <xm> sometimes friends look out for each other
08:00 <xm> hahahaha
08:00 <SurlyDuff> Factory*
08:00 <xm> did you make that up?
08:00 <SurlyDuff> nope
08:00 <SurlyDuff> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129621/
08:00 <progressive> [ Willie Wanker at the Fudge Packing Factory (Video 1995) - IMDb ] - www.imdb.com
08:07 <xm> hahahaha
08:11 <SurlyDuff> Factory*
08:15 <xm> did you make that up?
08:38 <SurlyDuff> nope
08:52 <SurlyDuff> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129621/
08:53 <progressive> [ Willie Wanker at the Fudge Packing Factory (Video 1995) - IMDb ] - www.imdb.com
08:59 Join: `o-o` ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
09:00 <xm> i love your vhost `o-o` 
09:00 <SurlyDuff> The user review is worth the read
09:00 <`o-o`> why thank u
09:00 <baz> night all
09:00 <xm> we are currently discussing porno pun titles. we would like your contribution to this topic. given that you wear glasses you must be a learned man with many opinions
09:10 <xm> i love your vhost `o-o`
09:11 <SurlyDuff> The user review is worth the read
09:18 <`o-o`> why thank u
09:52 <baz> night all
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10:00 <xm> we are currently discussing porno pun titles. we would like your contribution to this topic. given that you wear glasses you must be a learned man with many opinions
10:00 <Tigger_> lol, what a great title, and amusing fake review
10:00 <xm> LMAO
10:29 <Tigger_> lol, what a great title, and amusing fake review
10:52 <xm> LMAO
13:00 <SurlyDuff> Beverly Hills 9021-Ho
13:00 <SurlyDuff> Ass Ventura Crack Detective
13:40 <SurlyDuff> Beverly Hills 9021-Ho
13:46 <SurlyDuff> Ass Ventura Crack Detective
17:00 <Tigger_> are these real videos?
17:00 <SurlyDuff> yes
17:53 <Tigger_> are these real videos?
17:57 <SurlyDuff> yes
19:00 <Tigger_> I hope they do social issue films too, like "12 Years a Bondage Slave"
19:00 <xm> Thighs Wide Slut
19:00 <Mx_Trump> there is one that is a play on the wolf of wall st
19:45 <Tigger_> I hope they do social issue films too, like "12 Years a Bondage Slave"
20:01 <xm> Thighs Wide Slut
20:02 <Mx_Trump> there is one that is a play on the wolf of wall st
21:00 <Mx_Trump> 'whore of wall st', pretty creative naming 
21:00 <xm> ohhhhhhhhhh i know why my downloads are slow. i forgot last night i clicked on 200GB worth of music torrents
21:00 <SurlyDuff> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160761/
21:00 <progressive> [ Raiders of the Lost Arse (Video 2001) - IMDb ] - www.imdb.com
21:04 <Mx_Trump> 'whore of wall st', pretty creative naming
21:11 <xm> ohhhhhhhhhh i know why my downloads are slow. i forgot last night i clicked on 200GB worth of music torrents
21:46 <SurlyDuff> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160761/
21:47 <progressive> [ Raiders of the Lost Arse (Video 2001) - IMDb ] - www.imdb.com
23:00 <Warren1984> Dr Denis Dragovic, an expert in religion and international affairs, agreed there was a need to rethink the current “schizophrenic” policy in the Middle East.
23:48 <Warren1984> Dr Denis Dragovic, an expert in religion and international affairs, agreed there was a need to rethink the current “schizophrenic” policy in the Middle East.
24:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/tony-blair-admits-to-mistakes-in-iraq-as-islamic-state-takes-another-threatening-step/story-fnh81ifq-1227583139835
24:00 <progressive> [ Tony Blair admits Iraq war, ISIS connection, experts say lessons should be learnt ] - www.news.com.au
24:05 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/tony-blair-admits-to-mistakes-in-iraq-as-islamic-state-takes-another-threatening-step/story-fnh81ifq-1227583139835
24:06 <progressive> [ Tony Blair admits Iraq war, ISIS connection, experts say lessons should be learnt ] - www.news.com.au
27:00 <Tigger_> well that is Galactica 1980 finished downloading
27:13 <Tigger_> well that is Galactica 1980 finished downloading
31:20 Quit: `o-o` ([email protected]) Quit:
32:00 <Mx_Trump> <@emma> GLEN IS DEAD!!!!
32:00 <Mx_Trump> needs to work on her formatting
32:16 <Mx_Trump> <@emma> GLEN IS DEAD!!!!
32:23 <Mx_Trump> needs to work on her formatting
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36:00 <whateva> haha
36:00 <whateva> ya mum
36:00 <whateva> should teach u manners
36:18 <whateva> haha
36:32 <whateva> ya mum
36:44 <whateva> should teach u manners
37:00 <whateva> like make me a coffee bitch
37:19 <whateva> like make me a coffee bitch
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38:00 <Tigger_> hi GreekSnake 
38:00 <GreekSnake> hey Tigger_
38:00 <whateva> hi Tigger_ 
38:00 <whateva> do u got a bouncing tail
38:00 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5fA6dTnyrE
38:00 <progressive> [ Mamma Mia in Ancient Greek (Μα Τον Δια) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
38:13 <Tigger_> hi GreekSnake
38:33 <GreekSnake> hey Tigger_
38:34 <whateva> hi Tigger_
38:46 <whateva> do u got a bouncing tail
38:52 <GreekSnake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5fA6dTnyrE
38:53 <progressive> [ Mamma Mia in Ancient Greek (Μα Τον Δια) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
39:00 <Tigger_> of course
39:04 <Tigger_> of course
40:00 <whateva> Winnie the pooh is a diabetic
40:00 <whateva> to much honey
40:34 <whateva> Winnie the pooh is a diabetic
40:41 <whateva> to much honey
41:00 <xm> lol
41:00 <xm> oh bother. another blood test
41:00 <whateva> who u shagged
41:00 <whateva> ?
41:00 <Tigger_> Performed by Lexi Clare, Lauryn Edmonds, Luke Ellery and George Everts, with an appearance from Robert Drummond
41:15 <xm> lol
41:29 <xm> oh bother. another blood test
41:46 <whateva> who u shagged
41:48 <whateva> ?
42:00 <xm> nah that's what winnie the pooh  with diabetus would say
42:00 <Tigger_> no Greeks involved
42:00 <GreekSnake> they're all Kiwis
42:00 <GreekSnake> fair effort
42:00 <whateva> got hit in head 2 days ago in the ear and now I have pimple behind my ear
42:01 <Tigger_> Performed by Lexi Clare, Lauryn Edmonds, Luke Ellery and George Everts, with an appearance from Robert Drummond
42:08 <xm> nah that's what winnie the pooh with diabetus would say
42:09 <Tigger_> no Greeks involved
42:27 <GreekSnake> they're all Kiwis
42:29 <GreekSnake> fair effort
43:00 <whateva> got hit in head 2 days ago in the ear and now I have pimple behind my ear
43:00 <Tigger_> the gayface is strong in the tall guy
43:00 <xm> is it filled with blood?
43:00 <whateva> nup
43:09 <Tigger_> the gayface is strong in the tall guy
43:12 <xm> is it filled with blood?
43:26 <whateva> nup
44:00 <whateva> didn't hit back cause the guys a drugged fucked idiot
44:00 <xm> sometimes it's best to minimise your interaction with junkies
44:00 <xm> even if you 'lose' in the short-term
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44:17 <whateva> didn't hit back cause the guys a drugged fucked idiot
44:51 <xm> sometimes it's best to minimise your interaction with junkies
45:00 <whateva> what loss
45:00 <xm> by not getting to hit him back
45:00 <whateva> yeah well if I hit him back I wouldn't have stopped
45:00 <xm> i wouldnt hit them back either unless i knew i could completley knock them out
45:00 <whateva> the pimple hurts more than the hit to the head
45:03 <xm> even if you 'lose' in the short-term
45:13 <whateva> what loss
45:23 <xm> by not getting to hit him back
45:40 <whateva> yeah well if I hit him back I wouldn't have stopped
45:44 <xm> i wouldnt hit them back either unless i knew i could completley knock them out
46:00 <xm> do you mean pimple or large cyst sort of thing
46:01 <whateva> the pimple hurts more than the hit to the head
46:19 <xm> do you mean pimple or large cyst sort of thing
47:00 <whateva> pimple
47:00 <xm> you would think most singers would rather sing in latin
47:00 <whateva> I have come to realization that druggies have no brains
47:11 <whateva> pimple
47:45 <xm> you would think most singers would rather sing in latin
47:49 <whateva> I have come to realization that druggies have no brains
48:00 <whateva> most start as teenager
48:00 <xm> biologically they have brains but when it comes to it functioning they may as well have none
48:00 <whateva> even sober ppl sometimes are just as bad
48:19 <whateva> most start as teenager
48:32 <xm> biologically they have brains but when it comes to it functioning they may as well have none
48:55 <whateva> even sober ppl sometimes are just as bad
49:00 <whateva> deluded
49:00 <Tigger_> wb GreekSnake 
49:11 <whateva> deluded
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49:34 <Tigger_> wb GreekSnake
50:00 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yboqgxnItOA
50:00 <progressive> [ LoverushUK ft Bryan Adams-Tonight In Babylon - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
50:00 <whateva> like back in day when ice first came out I was cheaper than it was now
50:00 <whateva> is now
50:00 <GreekSnake> thanks luv
50:08 <xm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yboqgxnItOA
50:09 <progressive> [ LoverushUK ft Bryan Adams-Tonight In Babylon - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
50:33 <whateva> like back in day when ice first came out I was cheaper than it was now
50:36 <whateva> is now
50:41 <GreekSnake> thanks luv
51:00 <whateva> I could have gotten 8 ball for 700$
51:00 <whateva> back then
51:00 <xm> wb σέξι 
51:00 <Tigger_> what is 8 ball?
51:00 <whateva> 3 1/5 grams
51:00 <whateva> 1/2
51:00 <GreekSnake> do you like that kind of music, xm?
51:00 <xm> yeah
51:05 <whateva> I could have gotten 8 ball for 700$
51:10 <whateva> back then
51:27 <xm> wb σέξι
51:27 <Tigger_> what is 8 ball?
51:36 <whateva> 3 1/5 grams
51:39 <whateva> 1/2
51:57 <GreekSnake> do you like that kind of music, xm?
52:00 <Tigger_> I hate male voices in EDM
52:00 <whateva> no shit Tigger_ 
52:00 <xm> i like Bryan Adams in general and also in this song
52:00 <whateva> wrecks trance
52:00 <GreekSnake> Bryan Adams has a nice voice though
52:00 <xm> he also still has style after all these years. hasnt even aged really
52:00 <GreekSnake> secret mancrush?
52:02 <xm> yeah
52:09 <Tigger_> I hate male voices in EDM
52:14 <whateva> no shit Tigger_
52:20 <xm> i like Bryan Adams in general and also in this song
52:22 <whateva> wrecks trance
52:30 <GreekSnake> Bryan Adams has a nice voice though
52:44 <xm> he also still has style after all these years. hasnt even aged really
52:55 <GreekSnake> secret mancrush?
53:00 <Tigger_> female voices are capable of being more ethereal, better suited to trance/progressive
53:00 <SurlyDuff> they all sound the same though
53:00 <xm> only mancrush ive had with musicians was with morrisey, but hipsters have ruined it for me
53:09 <Tigger_> female voices are capable of being more ethereal, better suited to trance/progressive
53:20 <SurlyDuff> they all sound the same though
53:20 <xm> only mancrush ive had with musicians was with morrisey, but hipsters have ruined it for me
54:00 <Tigger_> you liked him when he said "Chinese are a sub-species"?
54:00 <whateva> first time I had ice out of the 6 times I have I smoked 1/2 gram went sleep 12 hours later for 7 hours
54:00 <xm> i dont care about that part, it's more about how he doesnt care about what people think
54:00 <xm> and is a bit mysterious about his life
54:00 <Tigger_> yes, he's been offensive for decades, and never stops
54:00 <xm> i just admire that quality
54:12 <Tigger_> you liked him when he said "Chinese are a sub-species"?
54:28 <whateva> first time I had ice out of the 6 times I have I smoked 1/2 gram went sleep 12 hours later for 7 hours
54:30 <xm> i dont care about that part, it's more about how he doesnt care about what people think
54:40 <xm> and is a bit mysterious about his life
54:48 <Tigger_> yes, he's been offensive for decades, and never stops
54:55 <xm> i just admire that quality
55:00 <xm> plus i c an relate to the reclusive artist thingy that rejects thr world
55:00 <Tigger_> I liked the way that when he had his autobiography published, he demanded that Penguin publish it in their Classics line, or he wasn't going to do it at all
55:00 <xm> hahah
55:00 <xm> oh i wonder how his fiction is going
55:00 <xm> did he demand it on that line too?
55:00 <Tigger_> reviews say it's terrible
55:17 <xm> plus i c an relate to the reclusive artist thingy that rejects thr world
55:28 <Tigger_> I liked the way that when he had his autobiography published, he demanded that Penguin publish it in their Classics line, or he wasn't going to do it at all
55:35 <xm> hahah
55:48 <xm> oh i wonder how his fiction is going
55:57 <xm> did he demand it on that line too?
55:58 <Tigger_> reviews say it's terrible
56:00 <Tigger_> from the reviews I've read, they said it was a sort of a parable about The Smiths, with women ruining everything
56:00 <xm> there arent any decent artists left admiring anymore
56:00 <whateva> what drugs do is block the outwards dispersion of chemicals in brain and amplify the production
56:00 <xm> i quite like coldplay's music but chris martin has a pathetic weak personality
56:00 <GreekSnake> lol, women always ruin everything
56:00 <xm> doing concerts for climate change and also being omega with gweneth
56:34 <Tigger_> from the reviews I've read, they said it was a sort of a parable about The Smiths, with women ruining everything
56:37 <xm> there arent any decent artists left admiring anymore
56:46 <whateva> what drugs do is block the outwards dispersion of chemicals in brain and amplify the production
56:48 <xm> i quite like coldplay's music but chris martin has a pathetic weak personality
56:50 <GreekSnake> lol, women always ruin everything
57:00 <xm> gwyenth or whatever i cant remember
57:00 <GreekSnake> haven't they undergone a 'conscious uncoupling'?
57:00 <xm> there's pretty much no one left. EDM artists make good music but they dont really have a strong personality
57:00 <GreekSnake> the correct Welsh spelling would be Gwynedd, but I have no idea what her own bogan spelling of it is
57:00 <xm> they just stick in their studios playing with gear
57:00 <whateva> wish Australia was like Thailand and u got shot for doing meth
57:01 <xm> doing concerts for climate change and also being omega with gweneth
57:09 <xm> gwyenth or whatever i cant remember
57:14 <GreekSnake> haven't they undergone a 'conscious uncoupling'?
57:41 <xm> there's pretty much no one left. EDM artists make good music but they dont really have a strong personality
57:42 <GreekSnake> the correct Welsh spelling would be Gwynedd, but I have no idea what her own bogan spelling of it is
57:53 <xm> they just stick in their studios playing with gear
58:00 <xm> i think it's not just with music, it's just an end of an era for young men to stand up and be outspoken. perhaps there are many wanting to speak out but they get quickly shut down by the SJWs
58:00 <xm> the older generation dont get ignored because of their established name
58:02 <whateva> wish Australia was like Thailand and u got shot for doing meth
58:48 <xm> i think it's not just with music, it's just an end of an era for young men to stand up and be outspoken. perhaps there are many wanting to speak out but they get quickly shut down by the SJWs
58:57 <xm> the older generation dont get ignored because of their established name
59:00 <Tigger_> why I don't want Australia to be like Thailand: http://i.imgur.com/xMEwr9f.jpg
59:00 <GreekSnake> lol Tigger_, some guys love that
59:00 <GreekSnake> chicks with dicks
59:00 <xm> lmlmao
59:00 <whateva> fuck that
59:00 <GreekSnake> and Asian, so not too big/painful
59:14 <Tigger_> why I don't want Australia to be like Thailand: http://i.imgur.com/xMEwr9f.jpg
59:34 <GreekSnake> lol Tigger_, some guys love that
59:38 <GreekSnake> chicks with dicks
59:41 <xm> lmlmao
59:43 <whateva> fuck that
59:45 <GreekSnake> and Asian, so not too big/painful
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