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09:00 <anotherirc3r> ?
09:13 <anotherirc3r> ?
17:00 <Warren1984> because scientists said so slower
17:00 <Warren1984> In the old days they didn't know about electrons
17:17 <Warren1984> because scientists said so slower
17:33 <Warren1984> In the old days they didn't know about electrons
18:00 <Warren1984> and today they say as electrons come out it creates holes
18:00 <Warren1984> I mean in today's world
18:00 <xm> i wouldnt say holes. i'd say their orbiting 'slot' becomes available
18:06 <Warren1984> and today they say as electrons come out it creates holes
18:16 <Warren1984> I mean in today's world
18:56 <xm> i wouldnt say holes. i'd say their orbiting 'slot' becomes available
22:00 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Uqe6DyoRU
22:50 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Uqe6DyoRU
23:00 <Warren1984> yeah something like that xm
23:00 <Warren1984> my lecturer doesn't understand it
23:00 <Warren1984> but I think my theory is right
23:00 <xm> i just think he wants to dumb it down to avoid toughter questions from students
23:00 <Warren1984> chop a wire in half when connected to the battery
23:00 <Warren1984> no electric flow
23:05 <Warren1984> yeah something like that xm
23:13 <Warren1984> my lecturer doesn't understand it
23:34 <Warren1984> but I think my theory is right
23:38 <xm> i just think he wants to dumb it down to avoid toughter questions from students
23:47 <Warren1984> chop a wire in half when connected to the battery
23:53 <Warren1984> no electric flow
24:00 <Warren1984> and the maths is the same no matter which way you look at it
24:00 <xm> Warren1984, that's because air has very high resistance
24:23 <Warren1984> and the maths is the same no matter which way you look at it
24:31 <xm> Warren1984, that's because air has very high resistance
25:00 <Warren1984> but it's not leaking out into the air like water
25:00 <xm> imagine if you had a hose and the pressure was EXTREMELY high outside the hose. just for a second assume the hose can withstand that pressure and not be crushed... the water wouldnt be able to leave that hose if the pressure outside is far greater than the internal one
25:00 <xm> imagine you're on another planet
25:00 <Warren1984> If you are pumping 50 litres a min not matter what you do to the pipe it's still pumping 50 litres per min
25:01 <Warren1984> but it's not leaking out into the air like water
25:17 <xm> imagine if you had a hose and the pressure was EXTREMELY high outside the hose. just for a second assume the hose can withstand that pressure and not be crushed... the water wouldnt be able to leave that hose if the pressure outside is far greater than the internal one
25:38 <xm> imagine you're on another planet
25:41 <Warren1984> If you are pumping 50 litres a min not matter what you do to the pipe it's still pumping 50 litres per min
26:00 <xm> and the internal pressure in the hose was less than the pressure outside
26:00 <xm> well, in a wire it has higher conductivity than the air
26:00 <xm> different materials conduct differently
26:00 <xm> gold is good for instance. ceramics, not
26:00 <xm> air is even worse
26:00 <xm> but under VERY high voltage you can still get power arcs
26:00 <xm> think of lightning warren
26:01 <xm> and the internal pressure in the hose was less than the pressure outside
26:10 <xm> well, in a wire it has higher conductivity than the air
26:21 <xm> different materials conduct differently
26:28 <xm> gold is good for instance. ceramics, not
26:36 <xm> air is even worse
26:52 <xm> but under VERY high voltage you can still get power arcs
26:56 <xm> think of lightning warren
27:00 <Warren1984> if you chop the hose the same amount of water will still come out, just not the same pressure
27:00 <xm> think if there were a thunderstorm on and there was a metallic tower going from earth to the sky then it would make a great lightning rod
27:00 <xm> now if you took away that tower there would STILL be lightning because the voltage is SO high
27:22 <Warren1984> if you chop the hose the same amount of water will still come out, just not the same pressure
27:25 <xm> think if there were a thunderstorm on and there was a metallic tower going from earth to the sky then it would make a great lightning rod
27:44 <xm> now if you took away that tower there would STILL be lightning because the voltage is SO high
28:00 <xm> Warren1984, if the pressure outside is strong enough no water will come out
28:00 <Warren1984> what do you mean
28:00 <Warren1984> when intact the pressure is maintained
28:12 <xm> Warren1984, if the pressure outside is strong enough no water will come out
28:44 <Warren1984> what do you mean
28:59 <Warren1984> when intact the pressure is maintained
29:00 <xm> you assume that ordinary conditions will always persist
29:00 <Warren1984> when not intact the pressure lowers
29:00 <xm> what if the outside pressure far exceeds the pressure within the hose?
29:00 <Warren1984> not with you
29:00 <xm> ok imagine you have a glass aquarium filled with water
29:00 <Warren1984> water would dribble out
29:02 <xm> you assume that ordinary conditions will always persist
29:10 <Warren1984> when not intact the pressure lowers
29:17 <xm> what if the outside pressure far exceeds the pressure within the hose?
29:29 <Warren1984> not with you
29:47 <xm> ok imagine you have a glass aquarium filled with water
29:51 <Warren1984> water would dribble out
30:00 <xm> even if it did it would be negligible
30:00 <Warren1984> hey bee_girl
30:00 <xm> a sufficient pressure from the outside is effectively a cap
30:00 <bee_girl> hey Warren1984
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30:18 <xm> even if it did it would be negligible
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30:37 <Warren1984> hey bee_girl
30:43 <xm> a sufficient pressure from the outside is effectively a cap
30:53 <bee_girl> hey Warren1984
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31:00 <xm> Warren1984, if you filled a cup half with water and turned it upside down with a VERY strong fan underneath it the water level would remain roughly the same
31:00 <Warren1984> but you always need the positive and negative
31:00 <Warren1984> with water that is not the case
31:00 <xm> Warren1984, there is still a voltage differential always
31:32 <xm> Warren1984, if you filled a cup half with water and turned it upside down with a VERY strong fan underneath it the water level would remain roughly the same
31:33 Nick: clarity is now known as claritee
31:43 <Warren1984> but you always need the positive and negative
31:52 <Warren1984> with water that is not the case
31:55 <xm> Warren1984, there is still a voltage differential always
32:00 <xm> it's just that with air it's an "infinite" potential
32:00 <xm> it's all relative
32:00 <xm> sorry not infinite potential
32:00 <Warren1984> water doesn't need a conductor to flow
32:00 <xm> but anyway it's all relative
32:05 <xm> it's just that with air it's an "infinite" potential
32:07 <xm> it's all relative
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32:23 <xm> sorry not infinite potential
32:35 * claritee slaps xm around a bit with a large trout
32:47 <Warren1984> water doesn't need a conductor to flow
32:49 <xm> but anyway it's all relative
33:00 <Warren1984> i.e. water falls
33:00 <xm> Warren1984, that's because the analogy breaks down there. because water ITSELF is what is being conducted
33:00 <xm> and gravity or pumps make it flow
33:00 <Warren1984> yeah and pipes are only use to get it from A to B
33:00 <xm> when you open the hose that water has been pumped, it is under pressure
33:13 <Warren1984> i.e. water falls
33:18 <xm> Warren1984, that's because the analogy breaks down there. because water ITSELF is what is being conducted
33:28 <xm> and gravity or pumps make it flow
33:47 <Warren1984> yeah and pipes are only use to get it from A to B
33:51 <xm> when you open the hose that water has been pumped, it is under pressure
34:00 <xm> Warren1984, just remember that analogies fail. you will waste too much time in your studies if you focus too much on useless trivial things
34:00 <xm> the water/electricity analogy is good enough for overall just forget about minor things that they wont even ask you about
34:20 <xm> Warren1984, just remember that analogies fail. you will waste too much time in your studies if you focus too much on useless trivial things
34:45 <xm> the water/electricity analogy is good enough for overall just forget about minor things that they wont even ask you about
35:00 <Warren1984> hey doctor
35:00 <doctor> hey warren
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35:47 <Warren1984> hey doctor
35:54 <doctor> hey warren
36:00 <Warren1984> I just use what I can in an analogy
36:00 <Warren1984> then just try to memorize the rest
36:00 <Warren1984> electricity is invisible so it's hard to understand
36:29 <Warren1984> I just use what I can in an analogy
36:38 <Warren1984> then just try to memorize the rest
37:00 <Warren1984> electricity is invisible so it's hard to understand
37:00 <xm> it is. and dont bother trying to understand it fully. you'll be wasting your time
37:00 <xm> heaps of students failed electromagnetics at uni. it's one of the most difficult subjects
37:00 <xm> there are a lot of maths and concepts involved that are very abstract
37:00 <Warren1984> I don't care too much about this electrical stuff
37:22 <xm> it is. and dont bother trying to understand it fully. you'll be wasting your time
37:37 <xm> heaps of students failed electromagnetics at uni. it's one of the most difficult subjects
37:49 <xm> there are a lot of maths and concepts involved that are very abstract
37:59 <Warren1984> I don't care too much about this electrical stuff
38:00 <Warren1984> just learning the basics for computer tech cert IV
38:00 <Warren1984> yeah
38:00 <Warren1984> that is why I was wondering if I was wasting my time
38:12 <Warren1984> just learning the basics for computer tech cert IV
38:40 <Warren1984> yeah
38:58 <Warren1984> that is why I was wondering if I was wasting my time
39:00 <Warren1984> but it finishes in dec
39:00 <Warren1984> might as well stick to it
39:10 <Warren1984> but it finishes in dec
39:15 <Warren1984> might as well stick to it
40:00 <xm> have you finished a semester before?
40:18 <xm> have you finished a semester before?
42:00 <Warren1984> no
42:21 <Warren1984> no
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47:00 <Warren1984> xm do you sometimes have days where you can't be bothered doing anything physical
47:00 <Warren1984> like brushing your teeth
47:00 <xm> sometimes
47:44 <Warren1984> xm do you sometimes have days where you can't be bothered doing anything physical
47:50 <Warren1984> like brushing your teeth
47:58 <xm> sometimes
48:00 <xm> you?
48:00 <Warren1984> yeah
48:00 <xm> poor Tigger_ has to brush Clip Clop's teeth too
48:00 <xm> that's a lot of work
48:00 <Warren1984> usually on the weekend I don't brush them
48:00 <xm> naughty
48:00 <xm> how often do you go to the dentist
48:00 <Warren1984> my electric toothbrush is a 5min process
48:00 <Warren1984> then I need to use the waterpik
48:00 <Warren1984> not very often
48:04 <xm> you?
48:07 <Warren1984> yeah
48:15 <xm> poor Tigger_ has to brush Clip Clop's teeth too
48:18 <xm> that's a lot of work
48:18 <Warren1984> usually on the weekend I don't brush them
48:22 <xm> naughty
48:29 <xm> how often do you go to the dentist
48:42 <Warren1984> my electric toothbrush is a 5min process
48:49 <Warren1984> then I need to use the waterpik
48:56 <Warren1984> not very often
49:00 <Warren1984> on the public dentist I think it's every 2-3 years
49:00 <Warren1984> I only clean my teeth once a day
49:00 <Warren1984> and the dentist says I do a good job
49:00 <Warren1984> 2 mins precision clean
49:10 <Warren1984> on the public dentist I think it's every 2-3 years
49:33 <Warren1984> I only clean my teeth once a day
49:42 <Warren1984> and the dentist says I do a good job
49:56 <Warren1984> 2 mins precision clean
50:00 <Warren1984> then 3 mins flossaction
50:00 <Warren1984> then about 1 min of waterpik
50:07 <Warren1984> then 3 mins flossaction
50:18 <Warren1984> then about 1 min of waterpik
51:00 <Warren1984> I guess I take things for granted
51:00 <Warren1984> these machines are expensive
51:45 <Warren1984> I guess I take things for granted
51:52 <Warren1984> these machines are expensive
53:00 <xm> you could rent them out to people
53:00 <xm> charge them $5 
53:39 <xm> you could rent them out to people
53:43 <xm> charge them $5
56:00 <anotherirc3r> ninights
56:00 <xm> nite jen
56:15 <anotherirc3r> ninights
56:46 <xm> nite jen
57:00 <anotherirc3r> night xmendo!
57:03 <anotherirc3r> night xmendo!
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06:00 <Warren1984> what is xmendo
06:00 <Warren1984> I hate having a full day at TAFE
06:00 <Warren1984> leaves me feeling stuffed for the rest of the day
06:03 <Warren1984> what is xmendo
06:13 <Warren1984> I hate having a full day at TAFE
06:40 <Warren1984> leaves me feeling stuffed for the rest of the day
07:00 <xm> work is worse though
07:00 <xm> 9-5 5 days a week
07:19 <xm> work is worse though
07:26 <xm> 9-5 5 days a week
11:00 <IvanTheBastard> lol fk warren life is easy man
11:00 <IvanTheBastard> i work 730-430pm most days
11:00 <IvanTheBastard> and get called after hours all the time
11:00 <IvanTheBastard> sometimes work weekends
11:24 <IvanTheBastard> lol fk warren life is easy man
11:43 <IvanTheBastard> i work 730-430pm most days
11:50 <IvanTheBastard> and get called after hours all the time
11:54 <IvanTheBastard> sometimes work weekends
12:00 <xm> studying is less stressful than working, but the problem is motivation because youre not paid directly for it and you may not get a job at the end
12:00 <IvanTheBastard> and im on a salary so i dont get penalty or OT or anything like that
12:00 <xm> i work a bit from home too. doing so now
12:03 <xm> studying is less stressful than working, but the problem is motivation because youre not paid directly for it and you may not get a job at the end
12:08 <IvanTheBastard> and im on a salary so i dont get penalty or OT or anything like that
12:45 <xm> i work a bit from home too. doing so now
13:00 <xm> it never ends with work
13:00 <xm> updating skills, keeping apace
13:00 <xm> taking work home etc
13:35 <xm> it never ends with work
13:42 <xm> updating skills, keeping apace
13:52 <xm> taking work home etc
14:00 <IvanTheBastard> if i was on a wage i wouldnt take work home ever
14:00 <IvanTheBastard> or if i did i would write and overtime form if my boss asked me to 
14:00 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard what work do you do?
14:00 <IvanTheBastard> but salary you get raped
14:29 <IvanTheBastard> if i was on a wage i wouldnt take work home ever
14:38 <IvanTheBastard> or if i did i would write and overtime form if my boss asked me to
14:39 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard what work do you do?
14:45 <IvanTheBastard> but salary you get raped
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16:00 <Warren1984> well my time management is different to others
16:00 <Warren1984> it takes me longer to do things
16:00 <Warren1984> and understand new things
16:00 <IvanTheBastard> im in logistics management
16:06 <Warren1984> well my time management is different to others
16:13 <Warren1984> it takes me longer to do things
16:18 <Warren1984> and understand new things
16:44 <IvanTheBastard> im in logistics management
17:00 <Warren1984> I have a legit reason to be on D$P and my Psychiatrist even said on the report he believes I am legit for it
17:00 <Warren1984> in management?
17:00 <Warren1984> oh yeah you said it oops
17:00 <Warren1984> does it involve forklifts
17:10 <Warren1984> I have a legit reason to be on D$P and my Psychiatrist even said on the report he believes I am legit for it
17:21 <Warren1984> in management?
17:30 <Warren1984> oh yeah you said it oops
17:43 <Warren1984> does it involve forklifts
18:00 <IvanTheBastard> yeah were just saying that dont complain too much about study because thats way easier than working haha
18:00 <xm> im not sure what jobs would suit warren
18:04 <IvanTheBastard> yeah were just saying that dont complain too much about study because thats way easier than working haha
18:59 <xm> im not sure what jobs would suit warren
19:00 <xm> most jobs are stressful
19:00 <xm> maybe a librarian
19:00 <Warren1984> flyer delivery
19:00 <xm> it is a very methodological job and no time pressure
19:00 <Warren1984> like I have for the past 12 months
19:00 <xm> perhaps 
19:00 <xm> but how much does that pay a week?
19:00 <Warren1984> methodological?
19:00 <IvanTheBastard> what about cleaning?
19:00 <xm> but if you are happy with that stay with it
19:00 <IvanTheBastard> youd get payed by the hour
19:00 <Warren1984> not much
19:00 <IvanTheBastard> doesnt require any smarts
19:04 <xm> most jobs are stressful
19:14 <xm> maybe a librarian
19:25 <Warren1984> flyer delivery
19:35 <xm> it is a very methodological job and no time pressure
19:35 <Warren1984> like I have for the past 12 months
19:37 <xm> perhaps
19:45 <xm> but how much does that pay a week?
19:52 <Warren1984> methodological?
19:52 <IvanTheBastard> what about cleaning?
19:54 <xm> but if you are happy with that stay with it
19:56 <IvanTheBastard> youd get payed by the hour
19:59 <Warren1984> not much
20:00 <IvanTheBastard> doesnt require any smarts
20:00 <xm> Warren1984, systems for books. processes for dealing with returns etc
20:08 <xm> Warren1984, systems for books. processes for dealing with returns etc
21:00 <Warren1984> a job that doesn't require intelligence would be mindnumbing
21:00 <Warren1984> like sheltered work
21:00 <Warren1984> I tried the trolly work
21:00 <IvanTheBastard> alot of work is mate
21:41 <Warren1984> a job that doesn't require intelligence would be mindnumbing
21:47 <Warren1984> like sheltered work
21:53 <Warren1984> I tried the trolly work
21:56 <IvanTheBastard> alot of work is mate
22:00 <IvanTheBastard> its about pulling your weight
22:00 <IvanTheBastard> and not about what you should be entitled to do
22:02 <IvanTheBastard> its about pulling your weight
22:10 <IvanTheBastard> and not about what you should be entitled to do
23:00 <xm> Warren1984, but what do you want out of work?
23:00 <IvanTheBastard> i fkn hate working, i'd love to stay home, watch scarface 50 times, and have sex all day
23:00 <Warren1984> money, social contacts
23:00 <IvanTheBastard> but i need money
23:00 <Warren1984> preferably something I enjoy
23:00 <xm> what jobs do you think you can realistically get that fulfill that ?
23:11 <xm> Warren1984, but what do you want out of work?
23:29 <IvanTheBastard> i fkn hate working, i'd love to stay home, watch scarface 50 times, and have sex all day
23:35 <Warren1984> money, social contacts
23:38 <IvanTheBastard> but i need money
23:42 <Warren1984> preferably something I enjoy
23:57 <xm> what jobs do you think you can realistically get that fulfill that ?
24:00 <Warren1984> I deserve to be on D$P though
24:00 <Warren1984> my Psychiatrist said so
24:00 <Warren1984> different perspective
24:00 <IvanTheBastard> Warren1984 from chatting to you on here i'm convinced you have issues
24:07 <Warren1984> I deserve to be on D$P though
24:18 <Warren1984> my Psychiatrist said so
24:27 <Warren1984> different perspective
24:59 <IvanTheBastard> Warren1984 from chatting to you on here i'm convinced you have issues
25:00 <xm> is there someone in real life telling you you dont deserve to be on D$P?
25:00 <IvanTheBastard> but i would think there is something you can do
25:00 <xm> IvanTheBastard, do i seem crazy to you?
25:03 <xm> is there someone in real life telling you you dont deserve to be on D$P?
25:06 <IvanTheBastard> but i would think there is something you can do
25:34 <xm> IvanTheBastard, do i seem crazy to you?
26:00 <Warren1984> no
26:00 <IvanTheBastard> crazy is pretty open man
26:00 <IvanTheBastard> i dont think you are crazy
26:00 <Warren1984> but some people say I don't need it
26:47 <Warren1984> no
26:54 <IvanTheBastard> crazy is pretty open man
26:57 <IvanTheBastard> i dont think you are crazy
26:59 <Warren1984> but some people say I don't need it
27:00 <IvanTheBastard> perhaps you flip out at times, but on the whole i dont think you seem crazy
27:00 <xm> no one ever believes me that ive done over 12 months over 10+ hospitalisations
27:00 <xm> it's a struggle but i fight it
27:08 <IvanTheBastard> perhaps you flip out at times, but on the whole i dont think you seem crazy
27:35 <xm> no one ever believes me that ive done over 12 months over 10+ hospitalisations
27:42 <xm> it's a struggle but i fight it
28:00 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard I have multiple brain problems and serve arthritis
28:00 <IvanTheBastard> ive already told you i know probably 3-4 ppl irl who have issues
28:00 <xm> i was close to going nuts again over the weekend but i fought the good fight
28:00 <Warren1984> besides I am not lazy
28:00 <xm> oh yeah you did too
28:00 <xm> drugs related i think
28:00 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard maybe I come across as normal because I take my meds
28:05 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard I have multiple brain problems and serve arthritis
28:08 <IvanTheBastard> ive already told you i know probably 3-4 ppl irl who have issues
28:09 <xm> i was close to going nuts again over the weekend but i fought the good fight
28:10 <Warren1984> besides I am not lazy
28:15 <xm> oh yeah you did too
28:20 <xm> drugs related i think
28:56 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard maybe I come across as normal because I take my meds
29:00 <Warren1984> but what about my working memory
29:00 <Warren1984> someone tells me something then something bad happens
29:00 <IvanTheBastard> drugs set them off
29:00 <Warren1984> because I forget
29:00 <xm> has anyone here heard of the artist Jakwob?
29:00 <IvanTheBastard> they seem aprehensive about the real world now
29:00 <IvanTheBastard> one of my mates been in and out of greylands he's now a successful DJ
29:00 <Warren1984> I didn't know you took drugs xm?
29:06 <Warren1984> but what about my working memory
29:17 <Warren1984> someone tells me something then something bad happens
29:26 <IvanTheBastard> drugs set them off
29:26 <Warren1984> because I forget
29:31 <xm> has anyone here heard of the artist Jakwob?
29:32 <IvanTheBastard> they seem aprehensive about the real world now
29:56 <IvanTheBastard> one of my mates been in and out of greylands he's now a successful DJ
29:58 <Warren1984> I didn't know you took drugs xm?
30:00 <IvanTheBastard> plays at a few clubs, does lots of weddings etc
30:00 <xm> lol no Warren1984 
30:00 <xm> i dont
30:00 <xm> i meant a lot of people are in hospital because of drugs
30:00 <xm> it's easy to spot them. they're wasted away, bad teeth, skinny etc
30:00 <xm> one guy was 100000x more scattered than tisk
30:04 <IvanTheBastard> plays at a few clubs, does lots of weddings etc
30:06 <xm> lol no Warren1984
30:07 <xm> i dont
30:16 <xm> i meant a lot of people are in hospital because of drugs
30:32 <xm> it's easy to spot them. they're wasted away, bad teeth, skinny etc
30:52 <xm> one guy was 100000x more scattered than tisk
31:00 <Warren1984> because many of them refuse to take their meds
31:00 <Warren1984> I just live by the facts
31:00 <xm> it's mostly from them doing drugs
31:00 <Warren1984> the medication may shorten my life but I don't care
31:00 <xm> the surge in bed use is contributed to ice
31:00 <Warren1984> rather spend quality time outside hospital
31:00 <IvanTheBastard> warren im not giving you a hard time, i agree you have problems. but there is work you *could* do but probably dont *want* to do probably more for personal reasons as opposed to your disability 'ie its too mind numbing etc
31:16 <Warren1984> because many of them refuse to take their meds
31:22 <Warren1984> I just live by the facts
31:28 <xm> it's mostly from them doing drugs
31:33 <Warren1984> the medication may shorten my life but I don't care
31:41 <xm> the surge in bed use is contributed to ice
31:49 <Warren1984> rather spend quality time outside hospital
31:52 <IvanTheBastard> warren im not giving you a hard time, i agree you have problems. but there is work you *could* do but probably dont *want* to do probably more for personal reasons as opposed to your disability 'ie its too mind numbing etc
32:00 <Warren1984> xm should they shoot people on ICE
32:09 <Warren1984> xm should they shoot people on ICE
33:00 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard stop being a nazi
33:00 <IvanTheBastard> im not really one to dictate to others i've been pretty lucky in life i suppose, and the gov is happy to give money to far less deserving individuals (i.e mulsims who come here to just mooch off benefits)
33:00 <Warren1984> my Psychiatrist has said I am legit
33:00 <Warren1984> doesn't that give you new perspective
33:13 <Warren1984> IvanTheBastard stop being a nazi
33:19 <IvanTheBastard> im not really one to dictate to others i've been pretty lucky in life i suppose, and the gov is happy to give money to far less deserving individuals (i.e mulsims who come here to just mooch off benefits)
33:23 <Warren1984> my Psychiatrist has said I am legit
33:31 <Warren1984> doesn't that give you new perspective
34:00 <IvanTheBastard> warren, society pigeon holes you into a category where they are too scared to tell you to be brave and do something, because of the implications that could occur if something went wrong
34:00 <Warren1984> what if I get really stressed out and have Psychosis
34:00 <IvanTheBastard> because they identify you as having problems
34:00 <Warren1984> so my Psychiatrist is full of shit in other words
34:19 <IvanTheBastard> warren, society pigeon holes you into a category where they are too scared to tell you to be brave and do something, because of the implications that could occur if something went wrong
34:29 <Warren1984> what if I get really stressed out and have Psychosis
34:30 <IvanTheBastard> because they identify you as having problems
34:50 <Warren1984> so my Psychiatrist is full of shit in other words
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35:00 <IvanTheBastard> im not a shrink so i dont know lol
35:00 <IvanTheBastard> but dont forget they have a place in society too
35:00 <Warren1984> my bone specialist who is treating me for serve arthritis is full of shit
35:00 <IvanTheBastard> im not arguing with any of your issues warren ive already said i agree with you
35:00 <Warren1984> what does a Psychiatrist have to gain from putting patients on D$P
35:00 <IvanTheBastard> all im saying is i am sure there is work you are capable of doing if you wanted to do it
35:04 <IvanTheBastard> im not a shrink so i dont know lol
35:09 <IvanTheBastard> but dont forget they have a place in society too
35:12 <Warren1984> my bone specialist who is treating me for serve arthritis is full of shit
35:34 <IvanTheBastard> im not arguing with any of your issues warren ive already said i agree with you
35:42 <Warren1984> what does a Psychiatrist have to gain from putting patients on D$P
35:49 <IvanTheBastard> all im saying is i am sure there is work you are capable of doing if you wanted to do it
36:00 <xm> my question is what exactly is this work that warren wants to do 
36:00 <Warren1984> well I am happy working part time
36:26 <xm> my question is what exactly is this work that warren wants to do
36:57 <Warren1984> well I am happy working part time
37:00 <Warren1984> and I have for 12 months doing the flyers
37:00 <Warren1984> but long term maybe a comp tech
37:00 <Warren1984> but even if I don't get the qualification
37:00 <Warren1984> I mean job
37:00 <Warren1984> I have a qualification
37:08 <Warren1984> and I have for 12 months doing the flyers
37:20 <Warren1984> but long term maybe a comp tech
37:32 <Warren1984> but even if I don't get the qualification
37:37 <Warren1984> I mean job
37:41 <Warren1984> I have a qualification
38:00 <IvanTheBastard> ill give you an example warren, i know of a fully quadreplgic person who is wheel chair bound and needs help doing every task under the sun, yet she is a fairly senior manager at a charity
38:00 <xm> are you OK with all your units so far?
38:00 <Warren1984> and I will be ambitious and try to go higher and higher
38:00 <Warren1984> yeah
38:00 <IvanTheBastard> this person is going on holiday soon and actually paying for a carer to come and asist 
38:00 <xm> it seems the physically disabled tend to be more driven than the mentally disabled
38:00 <Warren1984> just falling behind on stuff I don't care about like OHS
38:00 <xm> re: talk circuits etxc
38:00 <Warren1984> yeah everything is good
38:01 <xm> are you OK with all your units so far?
38:01 <IvanTheBastard> ill give you an example warren, i know of a fully quadreplgic person who is wheel chair bound and needs help doing every task under the sun, yet she is a fairly senior manager at a charity
38:01 <Warren1984> and I will be ambitious and try to go higher and higher
38:36 <Warren1984> yeah
38:38 <IvanTheBastard> this person is going on holiday soon and actually paying for a carer to come and asist
38:39 <xm> it seems the physically disabled tend to be more driven than the mentally disabled
38:48 <Warren1984> just falling behind on stuff I don't care about like OHS
38:51 <xm> re: talk circuits etxc
38:59 <Warren1984> yeah everything is good
39:00 <xm> OH&S is so boring
39:00 <Warren1984> yeah
39:00 <Warren1984> since you don't need to pass the cert II
39:00 <Warren1984> I am not worrying about it too much
39:00 <Warren1984> I got my first aid cert today
39:00 <Warren1984> passed CPR
39:01 <xm> OH&S is so boring
39:21 <Warren1984> yeah
39:30 <Warren1984> since you don't need to pass the cert II
39:39 <Warren1984> I am not worrying about it too much
39:47 <Warren1984> I got my first aid cert today
39:51 <Warren1984> passed CPR
40:00 <Warren1984> I just study to fill in time IvanTheBastard
40:00 <Warren1984> and I use a digital voice recorder to record it all
40:00 <Warren1984> I attend TAFE for 7.5 hours
40:00 <Warren1984> get home
40:00 <Warren1984> immediately upload it
40:03 <Warren1984> I just study to fill in time IvanTheBastard
40:16 <Warren1984> and I use a digital voice recorder to record it all
40:25 <Warren1984> I attend TAFE for 7.5 hours
40:27 <Warren1984> get home
40:33 <Warren1984> immediately upload it
41:00 <Warren1984> listen to it again (which takes 2x as long because you have to re-listen to it all)
41:00 <Warren1984> then house chores
41:00 <IvanTheBastard> its good that you're giving that a shot
41:00 <Warren1984> and then for the rest of the week I go through the older recordings
41:00 <IvanTheBastard> have the option to be a computer tech afterward if you wanted to
41:00 <Warren1984> and this is just prep for Cert IV
41:00 <IvanTheBastard> that shit isnt too stressful
41:00 <IvanTheBastard> when i go into computer shops i see those gimps out the back they are complete peanuts
41:01 <Warren1984> listen to it again (which takes 2x as long because you have to re-listen to it all)
41:06 <Warren1984> then house chores
41:15 <IvanTheBastard> its good that you're giving that a shot
41:21 <Warren1984> and then for the rest of the week I go through the older recordings
41:34 <IvanTheBastard> have the option to be a computer tech afterward if you wanted to
41:37 <Warren1984> and this is just prep for Cert IV
41:38 <IvanTheBastard> that shit isnt too stressful
41:49 <IvanTheBastard> when i go into computer shops i see those gimps out the back they are complete peanuts
42:00 <Warren1984> yeah you don't need a qualification
42:00 <Warren1984> proper techs work for harvey norman
42:00 <Warren1984> and the manufactorers
42:05 <Warren1984> yeah you don't need a qualification
42:22 <Warren1984> proper techs work for harvey norman
42:30 <Warren1984> and the manufactorers
43:00 <IvanTheBastard> Yeah probably
43:00 <IvanTheBastard> i think theres still alot of uncaptured market helping out boomers
43:00 <IvanTheBastard> they are fucking useless with tech
43:35 <IvanTheBastard> Yeah probably
43:43 <IvanTheBastard> i think theres still alot of uncaptured market helping out boomers
43:48 <IvanTheBastard> they are fucking useless with tech
45:00 <Warren1984> most people choose their lifestyles IvanTheBastard
45:00 <Warren1984> If people complain of high stress because they are only working for the money, why is that my problem?
45:00 <Warren1984> my Uncle was a director of energizer
45:00 <Warren1984> and he found it too stressful
45:03 <Warren1984> most people choose their lifestyles IvanTheBastard
45:30 <Warren1984> If people complain of high stress because they are only working for the money, why is that my problem?
45:52 <Warren1984> my Uncle was a director of energizer
45:58 <Warren1984> and he found it too stressful
46:00 <Warren1984> so now he is delivering flyers
46:00 <IvanTheBastard> Warren1984 if nobody worked and there was no tax to support you whos problem would that be
46:00 <IvanTheBastard> what would your stance be then?
46:00 <Warren1984> then the church etc would look after you
46:11 <Warren1984> so now he is delivering flyers
46:30 <IvanTheBastard> Warren1984 if nobody worked and there was no tax to support you whos problem would that be
46:34 <IvanTheBastard> what would your stance be then?
47:00 <Warren1984> then the church etc would look after you
47:00 <xm> it is funny how a few tradies want to work office jobs, like IT, when for me sometimes i think id rather have a braindead job
47:00 <xm> the grass is always greener on the other side
47:00 <IvanTheBastard> the church would look after 11 million australians?
47:00 <xm> maybe the key is just working fewer hours
47:00 <xm> where will the church get their money from?
47:04 <xm> it is funny how a few tradies want to work office jobs, like IT, when for me sometimes i think id rather have a braindead job
47:15 <xm> the grass is always greener on the other side
47:19 <IvanTheBastard> the church would look after 11 million australians?
47:26 <xm> maybe the key is just working fewer hours
47:50 <xm> where will the church get their money from?
48:00 <Warren1984> back in the hunter gatherer days those with disabilities and the old were looked after without money
48:00 <IvanTheBastard> really? were they?
48:00 <Warren1984> yep
48:00 <xm> i thought they were put in a pot and eaten
48:00 <Warren1984> any tribe in the world would tell you that
48:00 <IvanTheBastard> warren thats a myth mate
48:00 <IvanTheBastard> maybe some truths to people who could pull their weight perhaps
48:05 <Warren1984> back in the hunter gatherer days those with disabilities and the old were looked after without money
48:19 <IvanTheBastard> really? were they?
48:25 <Warren1984> yep
48:28 <xm> i thought they were put in a pot and eaten
48:36 <Warren1984> any tribe in the world would tell you that
48:48 <IvanTheBastard> warren thats a myth mate
48:57 <IvanTheBastard> maybe some truths to people who could pull their weight perhaps
49:00 <Warren1984> people make choices about if they want children, materialistic lifestyle
49:00 <Warren1984> it's mainly dependent on you
49:00 <IvanTheBastard> but hunter gathers didnt have a system where they could support people who couldnt support themselves
49:00 <xm> Warren1984, you really do talk about disabled people condescendingly. technically im one, but i havent given up the fight yet
49:00 <Warren1984> yes they could IvanTheBastard
49:00 <IvanTheBastard> that only came about with civilisation, because due to farming and food surplus you were able to support people who didnt have to obtain their own subsitence
49:00 <Warren1984> the hunters and gatherers would bring back more than enough food, water
49:06 <Warren1984> people make choices about if they want children, materialistic lifestyle
49:15 <Warren1984> it's mainly dependent on you
49:15 <IvanTheBastard> but hunter gathers didnt have a system where they could support people who couldnt support themselves
49:23 <xm> Warren1984, you really do talk about disabled people condescendingly. technically im one, but i havent given up the fight yet
49:32 <Warren1984> yes they could IvanTheBastard
49:36 <IvanTheBastard> that only came about with civilisation, because due to farming and food surplus you were able to support people who didnt have to obtain their own subsitence
49:54 <Warren1984> the hunters and gatherers would bring back more than enough food, water
50:00 <Warren1984> that is because you see it from 1 perspective xm
50:00 <Warren1984> rather than multiple
50:00 <xm> you can see a diamond from many perspectives but it glitters all the same
50:29 <Warren1984> that is because you see it from 1 perspective xm
50:35 <Warren1984> rather than multiple
51:00 <xm> you can see a diamond from many perspectives but it glitters all the same
51:00 <IvanTheBastard> warren my argument stands and you've done nothing to change my mind - i agree you have issues but my point is that there is definately work you could do, but you wouldnt because you dont want to do it
51:00 <IvanTheBastard> i have this same discussion with my mates who are also on DSP
51:00 <Warren1984> when you work you are supporting a selfish demanding person who nothing is ever good enough for them anyway
51:28 <IvanTheBastard> warren my argument stands and you've done nothing to change my mind - i agree you have issues but my point is that there is definately work you could do, but you wouldnt because you dont want to do it
51:42 <IvanTheBastard> i have this same discussion with my mates who are also on DSP
51:57 <Warren1984> when you work you are supporting a selfish demanding person who nothing is ever good enough for them anyway
52:00 <Warren1984> I could imagine doing a forklift job
52:00 <IvanTheBastard> their mum came and yelled at me because they tried to get stuck into me about my point of view and then lost dismally when i said i saw actual retards and homeless selling Big Issue yet they were far more capable then those people but were totally unable to work?
52:00 <Warren1984> and have a materialistic, demanding boss just trying to get the most out of me
52:00 <xm> what happened to that fork lift job you had?
52:00 <Warren1984> I got my licence no job
52:12 <Warren1984> I could imagine doing a forklift job
52:30 <IvanTheBastard> their mum came and yelled at me because they tried to get stuck into me about my point of view and then lost dismally when i said i saw actual retards and homeless selling Big Issue yet they were far more capable then those people but were totally unable to work?
52:30 <Warren1984> and have a materialistic, demanding boss just trying to get the most out of me
52:40 <xm> what happened to that fork lift job you had?
52:51 <Warren1984> I got my licence no job
53:00 <xm> wasnt there a volunteering casual job
53:00 <Warren1984> but why must I serve a selfish, demanding person
53:00 <xm> to bridge you to actual work
53:00 <Warren1984> nuh I never followed up with that
53:00 <IvanTheBastard> warren theres heaps of people who are cunts in the world who will treat you ilke shit, it shouldnt be that way, but it is
53:00 <Warren1984> happy with the flyers at the moment
53:00 <xm> why didnt you follow up with that Warren1984 ?
53:00 <xm> but if you did that you could have been doing fork lift work by now
53:00 <IvanTheBastard> bosses are the biggest cunts there are, they generally attract a certain persona
53:00 <Warren1984> I don't want a forklift job
53:00 <xm> it's just life that bosses are like that
53:03 <xm> wasnt there a volunteering casual job
53:07 <Warren1984> but why must I serve a selfish, demanding person
53:11 <xm> to bridge you to actual work
53:22 <Warren1984> nuh I never followed up with that
53:25 <IvanTheBastard> warren theres heaps of people who are cunts in the world who will treat you ilke shit, it shouldnt be that way, but it is
53:31 <Warren1984> happy with the flyers at the moment
53:33 <xm> why didnt you follow up with that Warren1984 ?
53:43 <xm> but if you did that you could have been doing fork lift work by now
53:46 <IvanTheBastard> bosses are the biggest cunts there are, they generally attract a certain persona
53:58 <Warren1984> I don't want a forklift job
53:59 <xm> it's just life that bosses are like that
54:00 <IvanTheBastard> but in saying that i have had some pretty good bosses who have worked with me to get where i wanted to be
54:00 <Warren1984> yeah so fuck them IvanTheBastard
54:00 <Warren1984> because you want their money, they own you
54:00 <IvanTheBastard> in this world i think thats the way of things Warren1984
54:00 <IvanTheBastard> we want money to survive, they want something out of us (labour)
54:00 <Warren1984> better to be your own executive
54:07 <IvanTheBastard> but in saying that i have had some pretty good bosses who have worked with me to get where i wanted to be
54:12 <Warren1984> yeah so fuck them IvanTheBastard
54:27 <Warren1984> because you want their money, they own you
54:44 <IvanTheBastard> in this world i think thats the way of things Warren1984
54:56 <IvanTheBastard> we want money to survive, they want something out of us (labour)
54:58 <Warren1984> better to be your own executive
55:00 <IvanTheBastard> thats my aim mate
55:00 <IvanTheBastard> i plan to run this country, run somoene elses big business, or run my own business
55:00 <Warren1984> yeah but it's unjustified
55:00 <IvanTheBastard> by the time im 40 i want to be rich enough to be able to retire for life
55:00 <Warren1984> why should they get so much more than you
55:08 <IvanTheBastard> thats my aim mate
55:23 <IvanTheBastard> i plan to run this country, run somoene elses big business, or run my own business
55:30 <Warren1984> yeah but it's unjustified
55:32 <IvanTheBastard> by the time im 40 i want to be rich enough to be able to retire for life
55:44 <Warren1984> why should they get so much more than you
56:00 <Warren1984> they feel they are special and better than you
56:00 <IvanTheBastard> cause they are dogs of course
56:00 <Warren1984> they want to appear better than others
56:00 <Warren1984> exactly
56:00 <Warren1984> yet we let these cunt prevail
56:00 <IvanTheBastard> we cant chagne the system from down here though warren
56:10 <Warren1984> they feel they are special and better than you
56:22 <IvanTheBastard> cause they are dogs of course
56:27 <Warren1984> they want to appear better than others
56:32 <Warren1984> exactly
56:40 <Warren1984> yet we let these cunt prevail
56:41 <IvanTheBastard> we cant chagne the system from down here though warren
57:00 <IvanTheBastard> i plan to play it for all its worth and live off my riches
57:00 <IvanTheBastard> but im going to get there with my own devices
57:00 <IvanTheBastard> i would only ever accept something from the government as a safety net to get me back on my feet, but im happy to survive for myself
57:00 <IvanTheBastard> anyway im going to bed
57:00 <IvanTheBastard> peace out niggas
57:06 <IvanTheBastard> i plan to play it for all its worth and live off my riches
57:16 <IvanTheBastard> but im going to get there with my own devices
57:34 <IvanTheBastard> i would only ever accept something from the government as a safety net to get me back on my feet, but im happy to survive for myself
57:51 <IvanTheBastard> anyway im going to bed
57:54 <IvanTheBastard> peace out niggas
58:00 <Warren1984> well I clash with the status quo, so I would rather avoid people like them
58:00 <xm> Warren1984, does your mother pester you about the D$P?
58:00 <Warren1984> I could imagine getting so angry that I would literally punch the boss in the face
58:16 <Warren1984> well I clash with the status quo, so I would rather avoid people like them
58:48 <xm> Warren1984, does your mother pester you about the D$P?
58:51 <Warren1984> I could imagine getting so angry that I would literally punch the boss in the face
59:00 <Warren1984> what do you mean xm?
59:00 <xm> is she OK with you on it
59:00 <Warren1984> yeah
59:00 <Warren1984> my Dad says oh your lucky you live in Australia
59:00 <xm> it's just that neither IvanTheBastard nor i are attacking your claim, we both agree you deserve it, but you seem to have built up defensiveness like you've been attacked before
59:02 <Warren1984> what do you mean xm?
59:07 <xm> is she OK with you on it
59:12 <Warren1984> yeah
59:25 <Warren1984> my Dad says oh your lucky you live in Australia
59:45 <xm> it's just that neither IvanTheBastard nor i are attacking your claim, we both agree you deserve it, but you seem to have built up defensiveness like you've been attacked before
00:00 <xm> family is just annoying a lot of the time. it takes time, but it does get easier to ignore them
00:00 <Warren1984> yeah I have built up defensiveness from others motives from when I was working
00:14 <xm> family is just annoying a lot of the time. it takes time, but it does get easier to ignore them
01:00 <Warren1984> yeah I have built up defensiveness from others motives from when I was working
01:00 <Warren1984> and also from MBTI
01:00 <Warren1984> I don't feel like going into detail
01:00 <xm> you were groped by a cougar werent you
01:10 <Warren1984> and also from MBTI
01:25 <Warren1984> I don't feel like going into detail
01:57 <xm> you were groped by a cougar werent you
02:00 <xm> the HR woman
02:00 <Warren1984> lol no
02:00 <xm> does anyone here have pirated software AND use Windows 10
02:03 <xm> the HR woman
02:04 <Warren1984> lol no
02:50 <xm> does anyone here have pirated software AND use Windows 10
04:00 <Warren1984> no
04:00 <Warren1984> I notice the new internet explorer gets rid of ad block
04:00 <xm> why dont you use Chrome?
04:08 <Warren1984> no
04:31 <Warren1984> I notice the new internet explorer gets rid of ad block
04:55 <xm> why dont you use Chrome?
13:00 <Warren1984> I do
13:00 <Warren1984> but when I click on here
13:00 <Warren1984> it takes me to I.E.
13:00 <xm> that means your default browser is still IE probably
13:14 <Warren1984> I do
13:18 <Warren1984> but when I click on here
13:23 <Warren1984> it takes me to I.E.
13:56 <xm> that means your default browser is still IE probably
18:00 <xm> nite
18:00 <xm> did talking about D$P raise your anxiety Warren1984 ?
18:00 <Warren1984> yes
18:19 <xm> nite
18:28 <xm> did talking about D$P raise your anxiety Warren1984 ?
18:58 <Warren1984> yes
19:00 <Warren1984> nite all
19:03 <Warren1984> nite all
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28:00 <dimsim> morning Glenn
28:22 <dimsim> morning Glenn
35:00 <dimsim> got message on fb saying i won 850k
35:00 <dimsim> do u think its real
35:00 <dimsim> rofl
35:08 <Glenn> Good morning Christopher!
35:30 <dimsim> got message on fb saying i won 850k
35:37 <dimsim> do u think its real
35:38 <dimsim> rofl
35:58 <Glenn> Try not to spend all your winnings in the same shop!
36:00 <dimsim> nah if i won that i would put 800k in term deposit
36:28 <dimsim> nah if i won that i would put 800k in term deposit
38:58 <Glenn> Tracked down a Pommie scammer some years ago who said that I'd won the lottery and had won a vast fortune. They refused to hand it over, so I threatened legal action, supported by their name, address, telephone number, IP address and ISP. Never heard from them again.
39:00 <Tigger_> are you on the train?
40:00 <anotherirc3r> yup
40:00 <Tigger_> where are you going?
40:00 <anotherirc3r> homeeeeee!
40:00 <Tigger_> where were you?
40:00 <anotherirc3r> and maybe for a nap
40:00 <anotherirc3r> at a friends
40:22 <Glenn> Another mob wanted a "processing fee" before they'd hand it over. Gave them authority to take it from my winnings along with a bit extra as goodwill for their diligence... never heard from them again either :(
41:00 <Tigger_> very early visit
41:00 <Tigger_> which friend?
41:00 <anotherirc3r> old school friend
42:00 <Tigger_> did they feed you?
42:00 <anotherirc3r> yup. had some toast with vegemite
42:00 <Tigger_> that all?
43:00 <anotherirc3r> yeah.. wasn't that hungry
43:00 <Tigger_> they should give you some chocolate cake too
44:00 <anotherirc3r> if they are wanted to make me sick, yup
44:00 <anotherirc3r> -are
44:00 <Tigger_> some dairy free chocolate
44:00 <Tigger_> is carob ok?
44:41 <Glenn> Another mob wanted to transfer an unclaimed six million dollar sum into my bank account via credit card number. No problems... gave them a 16 digit random number and the name of the Nigerian President (card holder)... they threatened legal action against me. :)))
45:00 <anotherirc3r> yuck. probably
46:00 <anotherirc3r> rather have real chocolate and risk it lol
46:00 <Tigger_> I don't mind carob, if it's well done
46:00 <anotherirc3r> never had one that was
48:00 <Tigger_> usually they're fairly generic, but I've had the odd upmarket ones that were good
48:00 <anotherirc3r> nice. do you know the brand?
48:00 <anotherirc3r> sweet william dairy-free chocolate isn't bad
49:00 <Tigger_> no this was years ago
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50:00 <anotherirc3r> ahh, damn
50:00 <Tigger_> it just occurred to me, perhaps there's a market opening for a more exclusive carob
50:00 <anotherirc3r> could be
51:00 <anotherirc3r> hmm.. i am going to change out of this dress when i get home
51:00 <Tigger_> what's wrong with it?
52:00 <anotherirc3r> it's okay but i want to do step ups
52:00 <Tigger_> how many will you do?
53:00 <anotherirc3r> i do it by time
53:00 <Tigger_> what you should do is live in a 20 story building, at the top, and never use the elevator
53:00 <anotherirc3r> haha i agree!
53:00 <anotherirc3r> i usually do them for 35 minutes
54:00 <Tigger_> that would wear me out
54:00 <anotherirc3r> you really do sweat a lot
55:00 <anotherirc3r> it usually drips down my face/body afterwards.. it's.. lovely
58:00 <Tigger_> Glenn, you certainly are blessed with luck
58:00 <Tigger_> I've never won a single lottery that I never entered
58:12 <Tigger_> Glenn, you certainly are blessed with luck
58:25 <Tigger_> I've never won a single lottery that I never entered
01:00 <Tigger_> you must be quite energetic
01:00 <Marttin> Wow35 min step ups
01:00 <anotherirc3r> are you being sarcastic Marttin?!
02:00 <Marttin> Not at all
02:00 <anotherirc3r> oh, okay then
03:00 <anotherirc3r> any plans for today/tonight guys?
04:00 <Marttin> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4z4gISBuDVU&t=25m27s this is what I was thinking to edit tigger, but i give up before even beginning, It could take me hours of listening to videos to not get too close to 'eat da popo' sentence when they speak about fosting
04:00 <Marttin> Fistong*
04:00 <Marttin> Fucl...
05:00 <Marttin> Jen for how long have you been doing this long sessions of steps up?
06:00 <Marttin> I havent think of anything for today
06:00 <Tigger_> lol Marttin 
06:00 <anotherirc3r> i had been doing them for weeks until i got a cold
06:00 <anotherirc3r> so i just started again a few days ago
07:00 <Marttin> You must have tights like rocks if you didnt stop too long
08:00 <anotherirc3r> lol don't know about that
08:00 <anotherirc3r> bbl
08:00 <Tigger_> I would get dizzy with all the up and down too
08:00 <Marttin> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uHbWsnF8-oI
11:00 <Tigger_> did they hit the plane?
11:00 <Tigger_> no doubt they're too stupid to compensate for things like wind strength and direction, so hopefully every bullet missed it by a mile
12:00 <Marttin> Lol
13:00 <Marttin> I dont know if they did
30:00 <boardas> hello morning
32:00 <boardas> nice weather today
46:00 <Tigger_> if you like heat
47:00 <Tigger_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3259277/Geierlay-rope-suspension-bridge-opens-Germany.html
57:00 <boardas> ??
06:00 <boardas> lol saw thing on fb said "rest of there lives"
06:00 <boardas> its their lives
06:00 <boardas> not there
06:00 <boardas> there means a place
06:00 <boardas> something is there
06:00 <boardas> their means a person
08:00 <boardas> oh thats what i was taught
09:00 <Tigger_> you are correct
09:00 <boardas> k
46:12 <Glenn> Am very happy to share my past winnings with you Tigger_! :)
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30:00 <Tigger_> morning anotherirc3r 
30:33 <Tigger_> morning anotherirc3r
33:00 <anotherirc3r> heya Tigger!
33:39 <anotherirc3r> heya Tigger!
35:00 <Tigger_> how's things today?
35:00 <anotherirc3r> not too bad thanks. yourself?
35:01 <Tigger_> how's things today?
35:36 <anotherirc3r> not too bad thanks. yourself?
37:00 <Tigger_> a bit tired
37:00 <Tigger_> not sure why
37:41 <Tigger_> a bit tired
37:46 <Tigger_> not sure why
38:00 <Tigger_> but I have almost finished ripping 500 CDs to FLAC, about 30 or so to go
38:00 <anotherirc3r> what CDs?
38:10 <Tigger_> but I have almost finished ripping 500 CDs to FLAC, about 30 or so to go
38:52 <anotherirc3r> what CDs?
40:00 <Tigger_> you mean list them all?
40:46 <Tigger_> you mean list them all?
41:00 <erlich> i thought this was funny and fairly typical of Muslim inconsistency/hypocrisy: http://conservativetribune.com/lady-muslim-gets-furious/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2015-10-04
41:00 <anotherirc3r> well.. are they audio/games/programs?
41:00 <Tigger_> all audio
41:00 <anotherirc3r> what artists?
41:16 <anotherirc3r> well.. are they audio/games/programs?
41:50 <Tigger_> all audio
41:58 <anotherirc3r> what artists?
42:00 <erlich> https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/29720564/bait-car-traps-thieves-inside/ <-- great idea, just needs zyklon-b
42:00 <Tigger_> FLAC is an audio format, like mp3 but lossless
42:12 <Tigger_> FLAC is an audio format, like mp3 but lossless
43:00 <Tigger_> Cure, Siouxsie, Sisters of Mercy, Nick Cave, Morrissey, The Smiths, lots of classical, Einstuerzende Neubauten, and so on and so on
43:00 <anotherirc3r> nice!!!!
43:00 <anotherirc3r> you almost sound goth lol
43:07 <Tigger_> Cure, Siouxsie, Sisters of Mercy, Nick Cave, Morrissey, The Smiths, lots of classical, Einstuerzende Neubauten, and so on and so on
43:26 <anotherirc3r> nice!!!!
43:30 <anotherirc3r> you almost sound goth lol
44:00 <Tigger_> never
44:00 <anotherirc3r> Cure, Siouxsie, Sisters of Mercy, The Smiths..
44:00 <anotherirc3r> hehe
44:00 <Abortion> FLAC is good
44:11 <Tigger_> never
44:36 <anotherirc3r> Cure, Siouxsie, Sisters of Mercy, The Smiths..
44:37 <anotherirc3r> hehe
44:52 <Abortion> FLAC is good
45:00 <anotherirc3r> i'm listening to Tears for Fears atm
45:00 <Abortion> I'm keen on seeing more opus though
45:00 <Abortion> FLAC is for archving
45:00 <Abortion> I don't have the auditory acuity to pick the difference
45:21 <anotherirc3r> i'm listening to Tears for Fears atm
45:27 <Abortion> I'm keen on seeing more opus though
45:31 <Abortion> FLAC is for archving
45:42 <Abortion> I don't have the auditory acuity to pick the difference
46:00 <Tigger_> both my portable players support FLAC
46:00 <Abortion> Not even sure I can pick the difference between 128k mp3 and lossless
46:00 <Abortion> ah yeah I have enough support for FLAC, but I don't like affording the space
46:00 <Abortion> not on portable devices anyway
46:00 <Tigger_> sometimes it becomes obvious, such as strings sound bad at 128k
46:04 <Tigger_> both my portable players support FLAC
46:14 <Abortion> Not even sure I can pick the difference between 128k mp3 and lossless
46:26 <Abortion> ah yeah I have enough support for FLAC, but I don't like affording the space
46:54 <Abortion> not on portable devices anyway
46:54 <Tigger_> sometimes it becomes obvious, such as strings sound bad at 128k
47:00 <Abortion> When I do mp3, I encode lame -V 1
47:00 <Abortion> its more than I'll probably ever need and the filesize is agreeable
47:00 <Abortion> but when it comes to archiving, pristine source
47:29 <Abortion> When I do mp3, I encode lame -V 1
47:41 <Abortion> its more than I'll probably ever need and the filesize is agreeable
47:55 <Abortion> but when it comes to archiving, pristine source
48:00 <Abortion> transcoding lossy is dumb
48:00 <Tigger_> but then you have two copies, which will use up more space
48:00 <Abortion> The point is, the FLAC stays on the file server, the mp3 onto the portable device
48:02 <Abortion> transcoding lossy is dumb
48:24 <Tigger_> but then you have two copies, which will use up more space
48:50 <Abortion> The point is, the FLAC stays on the file server, the mp3 onto the portable device
49:00 <Abortion> I've never seen flac below about 700kb/s except for extremely simple tracks
49:00 <Abortion> for me, I typically see 900-1000kb/s
49:00 <Abortion> V1 results in something of the order of 200kb/s over the whole track
49:09 <Abortion> I've never seen flac below about 700kb/s except for extremely simple tracks
49:19 <Abortion> for me, I typically see 900-1000kb/s
49:33 <Abortion> V1 results in something of the order of 200kb/s over the whole track
50:00 <Tigger_> 800-1000k is my average for the CDs I've ripped, works out to be about 300mb for an average album
50:00 <Tigger_> though this is primarily archival, I don't listen to any of this music anymore
50:06 <Tigger_> 800-1000k is my average for the CDs I've ripped, works out to be about 300mb for an average album
50:46 <Tigger_> though this is primarily archival, I don't listen to any of this music anymore
51:00 <Tigger_> once a year perhaps, a lot of it not even that
51:00 <Abortion> At the moment I'm snapshotting filesystems for fast recovery
51:00 <Abortion> <3 linux
51:00 <Abortion> btrfs and zfs are great filesystems
51:26 <Tigger_> once a year perhaps, a lot of it not even that
51:41 <Abortion> At the moment I'm snapshotting filesystems for fast recovery
51:48 <Abortion> <3 linux
51:57 <Abortion> btrfs and zfs are great filesystems
52:00 <Abortion> I also like running them through compression
52:00 <Abortion> xz -9e
52:00 <Abortion> somewhat overkill lol
52:00 <Abortion> Then I run it through par2 to add some bit rot resistance
52:00 <Tigger_> I don't really know the difference between file systems, except that ext4 is better than ext3 and so on
52:13 <Abortion> I also like running them through compression
52:18 <Abortion> xz -9e
52:23 <Abortion> somewhat overkill lol
52:42 <Abortion> Then I run it through par2 to add some bit rot resistance
52:53 <Tigger_> I don't really know the difference between file systems, except that ext4 is better than ext3 and so on
53:00 <Abortion> ext4 is better than ext3 primarily due to extents, which to my knowledge is mainly good for keeping large files contiguous
53:25 <Abortion> ext4 is better than ext3 primarily due to extents, which to my knowledge is mainly good for keeping large files contiguous
54:00 <Abortion> zfs and btrfs are corporate grade, but btrfs is much younger and under a lot of development
54:00 <Abortion> they also have a bit of a space premium to cater for the features they support
54:01 <Abortion> zfs and btrfs are corporate grade, but btrfs is much younger and under a lot of development
54:34 <Abortion> they also have a bit of a space premium to cater for the features they support
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59:00 <Tigger_> I have  noticed that evolution with file systems, the more security and features, the greater the footprint of each file
59:00 <Abortion> yeah, data security has a price
59:00 <Abortion> though, its a fair bit cheaper than better hardware in some cases
59:21 <Tigger_> I have noticed that evolution with file systems, the more security and features, the greater the footprint of each file
59:40 <Abortion> yeah, data security has a price
59:56 <Abortion> though, its a fair bit cheaper than better hardware in some cases
00:00 <Abortion> it does require more maintenence though
00:00 <Abortion> maintenence and monitoring
00:00 <Abortion> One server of mine I run a 3 way raid, that is, 3 disks with the same stuff on them
00:00 <Abortion> 3 way raid1
00:00 <Abortion> I should say
00:14 <Abortion> it does require more maintenence though
00:19 <Abortion> maintenence and monitoring
00:42 <Abortion> One server of mine I run a 3 way raid, that is, 3 disks with the same stuff on them
00:55 <Abortion> 3 way raid1
00:58 <Abortion> I should say
02:00 <Abortion> I have been leaving my fileserver off lately though
02:00 <Abortion> I don't really use it all that much
02:00 <Abortion> part of the problem is I don't have a proper plan
02:00 <Abortion> for backups and the like
02:27 <Abortion> I have been leaving my fileserver off lately though
02:31 <Abortion> I don't really use it all that much
02:40 <Abortion> part of the problem is I don't have a proper plan
02:44 <Abortion> for backups and the like
03:00 <Abortion> I have backups of stuff
03:00 <Abortion> but I don't keep them up to date regularly
03:14 <Abortion> I have backups of stuff
03:21 <Abortion> but I don't keep them up to date regularly
04:00 <Abortion> I went and bought an 8TB drive which I put loads of stuff on, which now sits here at the office not being updated
04:00 <Tigger_> what size is the three way backup?
04:00 <Abortion> err not back up
04:00 <Abortion> redundancy
04:37 <Abortion> I went and bought an 8TB drive which I put loads of stuff on, which now sits here at the office not being updated
04:41 <Tigger_> what size is the three way backup?
04:53 <Abortion> err not back up
04:55 <Abortion> redundancy
05:00 <Abortion> 3x 1TB disks
05:00 <Tigger_> yes, redundancy rather
05:00 <Abortion> its not for storage
05:00 <Tigger_> what do you keep there?
05:00 <Abortion> data for running services
05:00 <Abortion> different machine
05:00 <Abortion> my fileserver sits idle
05:00 <Abortion> but this one is a laptop, so much lower power
05:06 <Abortion> 3x 1TB disks
05:08 <Tigger_> yes, redundancy rather
05:11 <Abortion> its not for storage
05:14 <Tigger_> what do you keep there?
05:32 <Abortion> data for running services
05:40 <Abortion> different machine
05:45 <Abortion> my fileserver sits idle
05:52 <Abortion> but this one is a laptop, so much lower power
06:00 <Tigger_> what things do you keep on the fileserver?  your FLACs?
06:00 <Abortion> basically everything: movies FLACs, full disk images because I'm lazy, photos
06:08 <Tigger_> what things do you keep on the fileserver? your FLACs?
06:36 <Abortion> basically everything: movies FLACs, full disk images because I'm lazy, photos
07:00 <Tigger_> I see
07:18 <Tigger_> I see
08:00 <Tigger_> so rightwing clickbait is here at last
08:00 <Tigger_> my long term plan (very long) is to have a 12 bay NAS populated by 10+ Tb drives for my MKV bluray rips
08:00 <Abortion> get a 24 bay
08:13 <Tigger_> my long term plan (very long) is to have a 12 bay NAS populated by 10+ Tb drives for my MKV bluray rips
08:41 <Abortion> get a 24 bay
09:00 <Tigger_> how much are they?
09:00 <Abortion> A popular, but slighly low quality one is done by Norco (RPC-4224)
09:26 <Tigger_> how much are they?
09:31 <Abortion> A popular, but slighly low quality one is done by Norco (RPC-4224)
10:00 <Tigger_> I hope they have a headline like "It'll Warm Your Heart When You Hear About How a Muslim Blew Up His Entire Family While Making a Bomb Intended for Christians"
10:00 <Abortion> main downside is that you must use a particular SFF plug instead of standard sata cables
10:00 <Abortion> they were going for around 500, but exchange rate has probably pushed that up
10:00 <Abortion> oh wait
10:00 <Abortion> I might add, thats the case only
10:04 <Abortion> main downside is that you must use a particular SFF plug instead of standard sata cables
10:28 <Abortion> they were going for around 500, but exchange rate has probably pushed that up
10:39 <Abortion> oh wait
10:43 <Abortion> I might add, thats the case only
11:00 <Abortion> How you do the actual computer components is a different thing
11:12 <Abortion> How you do the actual computer components is a different thing
12:00 <Tigger_> yes, that was what I was wondering, I've never seen a server case without the management components before
12:00 <Abortion> what do you mean by management components with respect to a case?
12:01 <Tigger_> yes, that was what I was wondering, I've never seen a server case without the management components before
12:21 <Abortion> what do you mean by management components with respect to a case?
13:00 <Tigger_> they typically have some sort of computer inside to manage the drives, to support RAID and so on
13:00 <Abortion> For the actual computer, I'd consider a server grade atom
13:30 <Tigger_> they typically have some sort of computer inside to manage the drives, to support RAID and so on
13:39 <Abortion> For the actual computer, I'd consider a server grade atom
14:00 <Abortion> Are there any NAS appliances that do 12 bays?
14:00 <Abortion> I would have thought by then, its all full server territory
14:00 <Tigger_> yes, 12 and 16 are about
14:00 <Tigger_> here's a 10 bay one: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/391097/HARD_DRIVE_-_EXTERNAL_NAS_DEVICES/Asustor/AS-5110T.asp
14:03 <Abortion> Are there any NAS appliances that do 12 bays?
14:17 <Abortion> I would have thought by then, its all full server territory
14:17 <Tigger_> yes, 12 and 16 are about
14:39 <Tigger_> here's a 10 bay one: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/391097/HARD_DRIVE_-_EXTERNAL_NAS_DEVICES/Asustor/AS-5110T.asp
15:00 <Abortion> haha, yeah no ARM or MIPS processor here
15:00 <Abortion> its probably a full computer at this point
15:09 <Abortion> haha, yeah no ARM or MIPS processor here
15:26 <Abortion> its probably a full computer at this point
16:00 <Abortion> whut its literally just a celeron
16:00 <Tigger_> in a 12 bay array I'd designate two drives for redundancy, and the other 10 for actual storage
16:00 <Abortion> No mention of ECC at all
16:25 <Abortion> whut its literally just a celeron
16:39 <Tigger_> in a 12 bay array I'd designate two drives for redundancy, and the other 10 for actual storage
16:59 <Abortion> No mention of ECC at all
21:00 <Abortion> What I'd do is, find a case that suits your needs, determine what processor you want (in Haswell i3 and below support ECC), get a motherboard which supports ECC, Get ECC ram and then do the rest of the computer as per normal
21:00 <Abortion> for OS, well, there is a big enough community around FreeNAS
21:00 <Abortion> Thats if you want some processing crunch
21:02 <Abortion> What I'd do is, find a case that suits your needs, determine what processor you want (in Haswell i3 and below support ECC), get a motherboard which supports ECC, Get ECC ram and then do the rest of the computer as per normal
21:15 <Abortion> for OS, well, there is a big enough community around FreeNAS
21:45 <Abortion> Thats if you want some processing crunch
22:00 <Abortion> otherwise I'd replace the motherboard and processor with an Avoton atom and get a storage card for it
22:00 <Tigger_> all I want to do is stream MKVs to my projector and a bit of backing up
22:00 <Abortion> yeah I think the atom would be a better choice, lower power.
22:00 <Tigger_> there won't be 100 people connected at once or anything
22:11 <Abortion> otherwise I'd replace the motherboard and processor with an Avoton atom and get a storage card for it
22:21 <Tigger_> all I want to do is stream MKVs to my projector and a bit of backing up
22:35 <Abortion> yeah I think the atom would be a better choice, lower power.
22:56 <Tigger_> there won't be 100 people connected at once or anything
23:00 <boardas> bored
23:00 <Abortion> so yeah, what I'm talking about is what I should have done for my fileserver
23:00 <Abortion> my usecase is similar
23:00 <Abortion> instead I locked myself out of ECC
23:00 <Abortion> so I'm taking bigger risks
23:00 <Tigger_> what are the benefits of ECC?
23:17 <Abortion> so yeah, what I'm talking about is what I should have done for my fileserver
23:21 <Abortion> my usecase is similar
23:35 <Abortion> instead I locked myself out of ECC
23:45 <Abortion> so I'm taking bigger risks
23:45 <Tigger_> what are the benefits of ECC?
24:00 <boardas> need a cigarrette
24:00 <boardas> :\
24:00 <Abortion> ECC RAM contains your OS data, most filesystems assume the RAM is just good
24:00 <Abortion> and that RAM won't experience corruption
24:00 <Tigger_> ah I see
24:00 <Abortion> its not a huge risk
24:15 <Abortion> ECC RAM contains your OS data, most filesystems assume the RAM is just good
24:22 <Abortion> and that RAM won't experience corruption
24:33 <Tigger_> ah I see
24:34 <Abortion> its not a huge risk
25:00 <Abortion> err I mean
25:00 <Abortion> ECC checks that the RAM hasn't experienced unexpected bit flips
25:00 <Abortion> as opposed to Non-ECC
25:08 <Abortion> err I mean
25:22 <Abortion> ECC checks that the RAM hasn't experienced unexpected bit flips
25:31 <Abortion> as opposed to Non-ECC
26:00 <Abortion> the three things that cause bit flips: Cosmic rays (maybe one bit a year will be affected), bad thermals (you can generally keep this at bay, but heat is funny) and bad silicon, which might be from degradation over time
26:29 <Abortion> the three things that cause bit flips: Cosmic rays (maybe one bit a year will be affected), bad thermals (you can generally keep this at bay, but heat is funny) and bad silicon, which might be from degradation over time
27:00 <Abortion> When ECC detects a fault, it raises a machine check exception, so you at least know about it
27:00 <Tigger_> will that cause corruption on the drives, or just reading from them?
27:00 <Abortion> if its only one bit all ECC is good
27:00 <Abortion> well its during writing, if it happen in a critical part of the filesystem code, it might write erroneous data, say a bad location and overwrite something else
27:13 <Abortion> When ECC detects a fault, it raises a machine check exception, so you at least know about it
27:20 <Tigger_> will that cause corruption on the drives, or just reading from them?
27:23 <Abortion> if its only one bit all ECC is good
27:54 <Abortion> well its during writing, if it happen in a critical part of the filesystem code, it might write erroneous data, say a bad location and overwrite something else
28:00 <Abortion> There are two approaches
28:00 <Abortion> if you're able to, backups are probably cheaper
28:00 <Abortion> and also covers the backup
28:00 <Abortion> but in your case, you're talking 100TB, thats not realistic
28:00 <Tigger_> I'll always maintain a standard backup
28:17 <Abortion> There are two approaches
28:29 <Abortion> if you're able to, backups are probably cheaper
28:38 <Abortion> and also covers the backup
28:47 <Abortion> but in your case, you're talking 100TB, thats not realistic
28:54 <Tigger_> I'll always maintain a standard backup
29:00 <Abortion> ah well, if you are doing full backups its not a big concern
29:00 <Abortion> periodic restarts will ensure that RAM is reinitialised
29:00 <Abortion> you might get unlucky, but you've got backups, and downtime isn't a concern
29:06 <Abortion> ah well, if you are doing full backups its not a big concern
29:25 <Abortion> periodic restarts will ensure that RAM is reinitialised
29:48 <Abortion> you might get unlucky, but you've got backups, and downtime isn't a concern
30:00 <Tigger_> I purchased 2x5Tb drives for $150 something each not so long ago, so a backup is becoming less expensive all the time
30:00 <Abortion> So yeah, reinitialised, so if a bit does flip, it won't hang around for hundreds od days
30:00 <Tigger_> reboot once every few weeks then
30:15 <Tigger_> I purchased 2x5Tb drives for $150 something each not so long ago, so a backup is becoming less expensive all the time
30:26 <Abortion> So yeah, reinitialised, so if a bit does flip, it won't hang around for hundreds od days
30:42 <Tigger_> reboot once every few weeks then
31:00 <erlich> crikey tigger
31:00 <erlich> good price
31:00 <erlich> where from?
31:00 <Tigger_> http://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/ultrastar-archive-ha10  10Tb drives are a reality now, though not consumer ones as yet
31:00 <Tigger_> let me look it up
31:00 <Abortion> yeah that'd be a helium filled drive
31:11 <erlich> crikey tigger
31:21 <erlich> good price
31:25 <erlich> where from?
31:35 <Tigger_> http://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/ultrastar-archive-ha10 10Tb drives are a reality now, though not consumer ones as yet
31:38 <Tigger_> let me look it up
31:54 <Abortion> yeah that'd be a helium filled drive
32:00 <Tigger_> hmmm, not sure now, might've been one of Dick Smith's sales
32:53 <Tigger_> hmmm, not sure now, might've been one of Dick Smith's sales
33:00 <Tigger_> incidentally the Paperwhite was $104 at Dick Smith the other day
33:52 <Tigger_> incidentally the Paperwhite was $104 at Dick Smith the other day
34:00 <Abortion> I don't like amazon ereaders, they lock you to their store
34:54 <Abortion> I don't like amazon ereaders, they lock you to their store
35:00 <Abortion> I got a Kobo H2O
35:00 <Abortion> I hacked the database so I don't even need an account for it
35:00 <Abortion> I did use those words quite correctly too
35:02 <Abortion> I got a Kobo H2O
35:22 <Abortion> I hacked the database so I don't even need an account for it
35:39 <Abortion> I did use those words quite correctly too
36:00 <Abortion> the database on the ereader that is
36:00 <Abortion> not the company's database
36:00 <Tigger_> I've never purchased an ebook, I just steal them
36:00 <Abortion> I purchased one, because I couldn't find it anywhere online
36:00 <Tigger_> what was it?
36:00 <Abortion> I then de-drmed it and then seeded it
36:00 <Tigger_> heh
36:00 <Abortion> I'd rather not say
36:02 <Abortion> the database on the ereader that is
36:07 <Abortion> not the company's database
36:10 <Tigger_> I've never purchased an ebook, I just steal them
36:22 <Abortion> I purchased one, because I couldn't find it anywhere online
36:28 <Tigger_> what was it?
36:37 <Abortion> I then de-drmed it and then seeded it
36:43 <Tigger_> heh
36:53 <Abortion> I'd rather not say
37:00 <Tigger_> smut
37:00 <Abortion> lol
37:01 <Tigger_> smut
37:09 <Abortion> lol
38:00 <boardas> welcome wolframhart
38:00 <wolframhart> Ey chris
38:00 <boardas> ??
38:00 <boardas> who are u
38:00 <wolframhart> I friedman
38:00 <Abortion> so yeah, if you're doing backups and everything like I was saying, stock standard gear would make your fileserver up fine
38:00 <Abortion> pick decent quality stuff and you're good to go
38:00 <Abortion> the one you linked is no better
38:30 <Abortion> so yeah, if you're doing backups and everything like I was saying, stock standard gear would make your fileserver up fine
38:43 <Abortion> pick decent quality stuff and you're good to go
38:49 <Abortion> the one you linked is no better
39:00 <Abortion> about the only special-ish gear is going to be the case
39:00 <Abortion> you could get a big RAID card but I prefer software RAID personally
39:00 <Abortion> I just got some cheap SATA cards
39:26 <Abortion> about the only special-ish gear is going to be the case
39:45 <Abortion> you could get a big RAID card but I prefer software RAID personally
39:56 <Abortion> I just got some cheap SATA cards
40:00 <boardas> nah serious
40:00 <boardas> who are u
40:00 <Tigger_> I would need a PC case that can support 12 drives, and similarly a motherboard that supports 12 drives, or have to purchase SATA cards to make it support 12
40:00 <Abortion> thats what I did
40:00 <Abortion> the case I had I managed to fit 12 drives in, but it was unsatisfactory
40:00 <Tigger_> too hot?
40:00 <Abortion> too unwieldy
40:00 <Abortion> drives in all corners sort of thing
40:00 <Tigger_> that's what I want to avoid
40:05 <Tigger_> I would need a PC case that can support 12 drives, and similarly a motherboard that supports 12 drives, or have to purchase SATA cards to make it support 12
40:13 <Abortion> thats what I did
40:29 <Abortion> the case I had I managed to fit 12 drives in, but it was unsatisfactory
40:37 <Tigger_> too hot?
40:44 <Abortion> too unwieldy
40:51 <Abortion> drives in all corners sort of thing
40:59 <Tigger_> that's what I want to avoid
41:00 <Abortion> Well what I have now isn't a great improvement though
41:00 <Abortion> I've posted a pic of mine before
41:00 <Tigger_> and why I'm tempted by a ready built solution
41:14 <Abortion> Well what I have now isn't a great improvement though
41:18 <Abortion> I've posted a pic of mine before
41:21 <Tigger_> and why I'm tempted by a ready built solution
42:00 <Abortion> ready built case I wouldn't mind, but I wouldn't be happy yielding the computer itself
42:00 <Abortion> thats just me though
42:10 <Abortion> ready built case I wouldn't mind, but I wouldn't be happy yielding the computer itself
42:14 <Abortion> thats just me though
44:00 <Abortion> I was planning on a custom case
44:00 <Abortion> was going to laser cut acrylic and 3D print brackets
44:00 <Abortion> then the fablab had to move out
44:00 <Abortion> looks like they've found a new place, but they're still setting up
44:11 <Abortion> I was planning on a custom case
44:26 <Abortion> was going to laser cut acrylic and 3D print brackets
44:38 <Abortion> then the fablab had to move out
44:46 <Abortion> looks like they've found a new place, but they're still setting up
45:00 <Abortion> The design was, no space limitations, and put each drive on anti-vibration pads
45:00 <Abortion> I started by having a fan array cut
45:00 <Abortion> so I do have that
45:00 <Tigger_> one reason why a PC solution might be better is that eventually there'll be much bigger drives than 10Tb or whatever, a NAS server may have a bios that locks it into using a maximum drive size, so I'd never be able to take advantage of future large drives
45:00 <Abortion> That'd be bastardly
45:22 <Abortion> The design was, no space limitations, and put each drive on anti-vibration pads
45:40 <Abortion> I started by having a fan array cut
45:42 <Abortion> so I do have that
45:43 <Tigger_> one reason why a PC solution might be better is that eventually there'll be much bigger drives than 10Tb or whatever, a NAS server may have a bios that locks it into using a maximum drive size, so I'd never be able to take advantage of future large drives
46:00 <Abortion> That'd be bastardly
46:00 <Abortion> but actually thats a reason not to use a RAID card and to use software RAID instead
46:00 <Tigger_> so RAID cards can have drive size ceilings?
46:00 <Abortion> Actually more that they often use custom implementations which, if the card packs up, you're in the cold
46:12 <Abortion> but actually thats a reason not to use a RAID card and to use software RAID instead
46:34 <Tigger_> so RAID cards can have drive size ceilings?
46:53 <Abortion> Actually more that they often use custom implementations which, if the card packs up, you're in the cold
47:00 <Abortion> Intel is one of the few that uses a standard RAID implementation
47:00 <Tigger_> ok, I'll stay away from them
47:00 <Abortion> but intel raid cards are also expensive
47:00 <Tigger_> good to know about Intel
47:00 <Tigger_> so software raid costs more on the CPU side I assume?
47:00 <Abortion> yes, but its marginal really
47:16 <Abortion> Intel is one of the few that uses a standard RAID implementation
47:19 <Tigger_> ok, I'll stay away from them
47:30 <Abortion> but intel raid cards are also expensive
47:31 <Tigger_> good to know about Intel
47:51 <Tigger_> so software raid costs more on the CPU side I assume?
47:59 <Abortion> yes, but its marginal really
48:00 <Abortion> its a throwback from when CPU power was far more scarse and you wanted to offload as much as oyu could
48:00 <Abortion> 12 drives is easy
48:00 <Abortion> if you were talking 100s, that'd be a different story
48:00 <Tigger_> ok
48:19 <Abortion> its a throwback from when CPU power was far more scarse and you wanted to offload as much as oyu could
48:35 <Abortion> 12 drives is easy
48:44 <Abortion> if you were talking 100s, that'd be a different story
48:53 <Tigger_> ok
49:00 <Tigger_> so an atom could run 12 drives in RAID?
49:00 <Abortion> oh, if you aren't getting ECC, don't bother
49:00 <Abortion> a standard intel chip would do the trip
49:00 <Abortion> *trick
49:20 <Tigger_> so an atom could run 12 drives in RAID?
49:33 <Abortion> oh, if you aren't getting ECC, don't bother
49:43 <Abortion> a standard intel chip would do the trip
49:50 <Abortion> *trick
50:00 <Abortion> your power cost would probably be met by your outlay
50:00 <Abortion> server grade stuff is more expensive after all
50:00 <Abortion> I got a Pentium G3450 for my fileserver
50:00 <Abortion> pretty basic stuff
50:00 <Abortion> doesn't need heaps of power
50:13 <Abortion> your power cost would probably be met by your outlay
50:21 <Abortion> server grade stuff is more expensive after all
50:44 <Abortion> I got a Pentium G3450 for my fileserver
50:55 <Abortion> pretty basic stuff
51:00 <Abortion> doesn't need heaps of power
51:00 <Abortion> rated for 53 watts but would almost never use that
51:31 <Abortion> rated for 53 watts but would almost never use that
52:00 <Abortion> basic ECC ram isn't excessively expensive either actually
52:00 <Abortion> its the motherboards that bite
52:00 <Abortion> between lack of availablility and 3x the price
52:00 <Tigger_> how expensive?
52:21 <Abortion> basic ECC ram isn't excessively expensive either actually
52:25 <Abortion> its the motherboards that bite
52:48 <Abortion> between lack of availablility and 3x the price
52:58 <Tigger_> how expensive?
53:00 <Abortion> for which thing?
53:00 <Tigger_> for the motherboards you're talking about?
53:00 <Abortion> they start at around $400 I'd say
53:00 <Abortion> might be able to do cheaper
53:00 <Abortion> but you'd still have trouble sourcing it
53:17 <Abortion> for which thing?
53:32 <Tigger_> for the motherboards you're talking about?
53:48 <Abortion> they start at around $400 I'd say
53:52 <Abortion> might be able to do cheaper
53:59 <Abortion> but you'd still have trouble sourcing it
54:00 <Abortion> Server gear is a different world
54:00 <Abortion> though you wouldn't need a special processor at least, that pentium I mentioned supports ECC
54:00 <Abortion> its just the motherboard that doesn't
54:08 <Abortion> Server gear is a different world
54:49 <Abortion> though you wouldn't need a special processor at least, that pentium I mentioned supports ECC
54:53 <Abortion> its just the motherboard that doesn't
56:00 <Abortion> If you want to have a look for some, Supermicro is well regarded and reasonably priced
56:00 <Abortion> You want one that is some kind of ATX form factor though
56:34 <Abortion> If you want to have a look for some, Supermicro is well regarded and reasonably priced
56:58 <Abortion> You want one that is some kind of ATX form factor though
57:00 <Abortion> lots of research to do then, consumer stuff adheres to standards fairly well, server stuff, not so much
57:46 <Abortion> lots of research to do then, consumer stuff adheres to standards fairly well, server stuff, not so much
58:00 <Abortion> I guess that prebuilt would do it, given all this (heh)
58:00 <Tigger_> with this sort of complexity, I'm willing to spend a bit more for a ready-made NAS solution
58:00 <Abortion> even though I doubt its ECC
58:19 <Abortion> I guess that prebuilt would do it, given all this (heh)
58:30 <Tigger_> with this sort of complexity, I'm willing to spend a bit more for a ready-made NAS solution
58:32 <Abortion> even though I doubt its ECC
59:00 <Abortion> I'd really want it to allow me to put my own OS though
59:00 <Abortion> it certainly looks like a standard computer to me
59:00 <Abortion> except with bays
59:00 <Tigger_> I think there are some that do that
59:07 <Abortion> I'd really want it to allow me to put my own OS though
59:17 <Abortion> it certainly looks like a standard computer to me
59:19 <Abortion> except with bays
59:23 <Tigger_> I think there are some that do that
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08:52 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o doctor
10:00 <Tigger_> morning doctor 
10:52 <Tigger_> morning doctor
11:00 <doctor> morning Tigger
11:27 <doctor> morning Tigger
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15:00 <myimmortal> hello everyone 
15:00 <myimmortal> its roberto thy prophet
15:26 <myimmortal> hello everyone
15:58 <myimmortal> its roberto thy prophet
16:00 <Tigger_> hi myimmortal 
16:00 <Tigger_> how are you?
16:38 <Tigger_> hi myimmortal
16:53 <Tigger_> how are you?
17:00 <myimmortal> good
17:00 <myimmortal> been a while
17:00 <Tigger_> it has, what have you been up to?
17:00 <myimmortal> got irc on my phone 
17:00 <Tigger_> good
17:19 <myimmortal> good
17:27 <myimmortal> been a while
17:40 <Tigger_> it has, what have you been up to?
17:41 <myimmortal> got irc on my phone
17:57 <Tigger_> good
18:00 <Tigger_> so do I, but I don't use it much
18:00 <myimmortal> i have fulfilled my time on a spiritual prayer walk five years worth of meditations to learn to deal with schizophrenia 
18:09 <Tigger_> so do I, but I don't use it much
19:00 <myimmortal> i have fulfilled my time on a spiritual prayer walk five years worth of meditations to learn to deal with schizophrenia
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20:00 <Tigger_> so it has cured the schizophrenia?
20:41 <Tigger_> so it has cured the schizophrenia?
21:00 <myimmortal> yes it has i now 
21:00 <myimmortal> manage my money better too dont hit the hooks as much
21:00 <Tigger_> that's good
21:14 <myimmortal> yes it has i now
21:48 <myimmortal> manage my money better too dont hit the hooks as much
21:51 <Tigger_> that's good
22:00 <Tigger_> yes, managing money is the main game really
22:10 <Tigger_> yes, managing money is the main game really
25:00 <myimmortal> i bought fridge exercise gear tv couch upgraded apple imac and more
25:44 <myimmortal> i bought fridge exercise gear tv couch upgraded apple imac and more
26:00 <Tigger_> what sort of fridge?
26:00 <myimmortal> electrolux
26:16 <Tigger_> what sort of fridge?
26:42 <myimmortal> electrolux
27:00 <Tigger_> is it two doors side by side?
27:00 <myimmortal> na top and bottom
27:01 <Tigger_> is it two doors side by side?
27:19 <myimmortal> na top and bottom
28:00 <Tigger_> ah ok, I want to get side by side door fridge, I hate having to bend down all the time with the top and bottom ones
28:05 <Tigger_> ah ok, I want to get side by side door fridge, I hate having to bend down all the time with the top and bottom ones
29:00 <myimmortal> its a good fridge the side doors are good also you just keep meats and stuff you dont need too often at the bottom. 
29:49 <myimmortal> its a good fridge the side doors are good also you just keep meats and stuff you dont need too often at the bottom.
30:00 <Tigger_> so what exercise gear did you get?
30:26 <Tigger_> so what exercise gear did you get?
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34:00 <myimmortal> dual rower and reclining bike
34:06 <myimmortal> dual rower and reclining bike
35:00 <Tigger_> good stuff
35:54 <Tigger_> good stuff
36:00 <Tigger_> warren has done quite a bit on the rowing machine
36:18 <Tigger_> warren has done quite a bit on the rowing machine
37:00 <myimmortal> cool how is wazza
37:00 <Tigger_> he's alright, same as always I suppose
37:05 <myimmortal> cool how is wazza
37:55 <Tigger_> he's alright, same as always I suppose
38:00 <myimmortal> excellent 
38:49 <myimmortal> excellent
39:00 <myimmortal> anyways im off for a walk
39:00 <Tigger_> I think the main thing with exercise is that 20% is achieved by exercise, the other 80% is diet
39:00 <Tigger_> ok, have fun
39:00 <myimmortal> talk soon
39:50 <myimmortal> anyways im off for a walk
39:51 <Tigger_> I think the main thing with exercise is that 20% is achieved by exercise, the other 80% is diet
39:55 <Tigger_> ok, have fun
39:57 <myimmortal> talk soon
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42:00 <boardas> hi jen
42:00 <anotherirc3r> hello.. whoever you are?
43:00 <boardas> lols
43:00 <boardas> :P
44:00 <anotherirc3r> who are you!?
47:00 <Tigger_> wb jen
47:00 <anotherirc3r> thanks Tigger :)
47:00 <boardas> aww cuddles
50:00 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5wt7-NO4AM
56:00 <boardas> thats better
56:00 <boardas> showered
56:00 <boardas> not as hot now
08:00 <Abortion> Cool, my laptop system backup is complete
08:00 <Abortion> now to test it somehow...
08:37 <Abortion> Cool, my laptop system backup is complete
08:51 <Abortion> now to test it somehow...
10:00 <Abortion> The total backup is 4.6GB in size (compressed), and I should be able to restore it to a fully working system using just a live linux disk
10:18 <Abortion> The total backup is 4.6GB in size (compressed), and I should be able to restore it to a fully working system using just a live linux disk
11:00 <Tigger_> 34.7°C in Melbourne right now
11:00 <Abortion> the plan is to keep it on a flash drive that I take with me, so if things go pear shaped, I restore without needing the internet
11:25 <Abortion> the plan is to keep it on a flash drive that I take with me, so if things go pear shaped, I restore without needing the internet
12:00 <Osskkaarr> Windy as fuck though
12:00 <Tigger_> even Tasmania is in the 30s today
29:00 <Abortion> lol
29:00 <Abortion> we had that yesterday
29:00 <Abortion> much easier today
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07:11 <Tigger_> it's always been at the back of my mind to do a scheduled backup mirror of the C: drive
16:21 <ajnin> hello
17:12 <ajnin> Tigger_ get the 3 door
17:19 <ajnin> 2 at the top and 1 at the bottom
17:26 <ajnin> I think they are the better design
17:51 <ajnin> or your just waiting to much fridge spave with standard 2 vertical door system
17:59 <Tigger_> but that means bending down, which I hate
18:15 <ajnin> how offen do you access the frezzer ?
18:29 <Tigger_> often enough, for icecubes and such
18:36 <ajnin> and the bottom part is just a big draw
18:44 <ajnin> ok fair enough
18:48 <ajnin> if you have the $
18:51 <ajnin> get a GE fridge
18:55 <ajnin> with Ice maker
19:02 <ajnin> my mates does crushed and cubes
19:06 <ajnin> and its like 20 years old
19:13 <ajnin> GE make the best shit
19:23 <Tigger_> do you need the water mains connected to the fridge? or you pour in the water yourself?
19:31 <Abortion> GE Turbofan
19:41 <Tigger_> I'll have a look at it
21:58 <ajnin> http://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-specs/CFE28USHSS
22:02 <ajnin> that just got me hard
22:13 <ajnin> Tigger_ you need mains connected
22:21 <ajnin> this one does AUTO FILL!!!
22:26 <ajnin> hot and cold water
22:33 <ajnin> ice crashed and cubed
22:34 <ajnin> OMG
22:37 <ajnin> its got everying
22:41 <ajnin> and only 3300US
22:58 <ajnin> Turbo Cool setting
23:01 <ajnin> thats for parites
23:07 <ajnin> when cunts are smashing the fridge!!
23:16 <Abortion> 3,300USD
23:19 <Abortion> thats heaps
23:37 <ajnin> wifi!!
23:45 <ajnin> Abortion there top model is 8100US
23:45 <Abortion> oh fuck no
23:54 <Tigger_> yeah, a bit more than I want to pay, I'm thinking more $2,000, or less
24:00 <Abortion> wiki and stupid keurig thing
24:06 <Abortion> *wifi
24:18 <ajnin> Tigger_ no GE friedge for 2k
24:29 <ajnin> nothing good anyway
25:20 <Tigger_> Harvey Norman don't have them
26:42 <ajnin> i think Myer stocks GE
26:53 <ajnin> thats were I got one back in the day
26:56 <ajnin> not sure now
27:11 <Tigger_> not at Good Guys either, I'll try Myer then
27:12 <ajnin> try and advoid harvy normans
27:21 <ajnin> that guy is a royal cunt
27:27 <ajnin> scumbag fuck he is
27:35 <ajnin> always on TV cring poor
27:47 <ajnin> and wanting ebay to get taxed when we get shit
27:48 <Tigger_> yeah I avoid Harvey Norman, but I look at the site just to check the prices
27:50 <ajnin> he got his way
27:56 <ajnin> Tigger_ yea good
28:18 <Tigger_> their prices are always the highest, since the mugs who buy there are usually the 36 month interest free crowd
28:57 <Abortion> Someone told me that back when Hardly Normal was starting up, he was the one being agile and shit
29:02 <Abortion> ran rings around the competition
29:16 <Abortion> now ironically complaining about kogan and other stuff running rings around him
29:23 <Tigger_> that probably was the case back then
30:33 <Tigger_> Myers don't seem to have fridges on their site
32:06 <Abortion> You should walk into the store
32:11 <Abortion> capital idea
33:34 <Tigger_> I'm sure they have them in store, I've seen them there before, but just haven't been in for awhile
41:00 <Abortion> right and proper
41:38 <Abortion> 'ow bout that time ey chap
41:40 <Abortion> right'o
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17:00 <ajnin> yea I dont know
17:00 <ajnin> i have not done white good shopping of late
17:00 <ajnin> but it looks like there is no longer a GE stocker in australia 
17:00 <ajnin> which sucks
17:23 <ajnin> yea I dont know
17:30 <ajnin> i have not done white good shopping of late
17:42 <ajnin> but it looks like there is no longer a GE stocker in australia
17:44 <ajnin> which sucks
22:00 <Tigger_> I wonder why not
22:43 <Tigger_> I wonder why not
27:00 <ajnin> low sales I would guess
27:00 <ajnin> there are not many people who will spend 4k on a base model fridge
27:40 <ajnin> low sales I would guess
27:52 <ajnin> there are not many people who will spend 4k on a base model fridge
28:00 <ajnin> when they can get hte LG for 1/2 that with extra features
28:00 <ajnin> but they dont think and long run its shit
28:00 <ajnin> i got a cheap samsung fridge
28:00 <ajnin> and it fucked up after a few years..
28:00 <ajnin> about 1 month out of warrenty and they did not give a fuck
28:00 <ajnin> lost all the food
28:07 <ajnin> when they can get hte LG for 1/2 that with extra features
28:19 <ajnin> but they dont think and long run its shit
28:31 <ajnin> i got a cheap samsung fridge
28:39 <ajnin> and it fucked up after a few years..
28:49 <ajnin> about 1 month out of warrenty and they did not give a fuck
28:56 <ajnin> lost all the food
29:00 <ajnin> and had to get the firdge man to fix it
29:00 <ajnin> that cost like 350 bucks
29:00 <ajnin> and the part that was fucked was a 12 thermo
29:00 <ajnin> she showed me how to do it if it fucks up again
29:00 <ajnin> he
29:05 <ajnin> and had to get the firdge man to fix it
29:10 <ajnin> that cost like 350 bucks
29:17 <ajnin> and the part that was fucked was a 12 thermo
29:27 <ajnin> she showed me how to do it if it fucks up again
29:36 <ajnin> he
31:00 <ajnin> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/breast-cancer-gene-cant-be-patented-high-court-rules/6833232
31:18 <ajnin> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/breast-cancer-gene-cant-be-patented-high-court-rules/6833232
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40:43 <myimmortal> hello my disciples
45:20 <Tigger_> wb myimmortal
45:40 <myimmortal> thanks tigz
46:15 <myimmortal> martin my disciple
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47:32 <myimmortal> wazza!!!!!!
47:54 <Warren1984> hey myimmortal
48:00 <Warren1984> watch this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUkX75IEkHE
50:22 <Tigger_> hi Warren1984
50:41 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
52:42 <Warren1984> myimmortal = vaness
53:52 <myimmortal> lolol no wazza equals roberto
54:01 <myimmortal> :-D
54:39 <Tigger_> no warren, it is roberto
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56:00 <myimmortal> thy prophet has returned 
56:00 <Warren1984> long time no see
56:00 <myimmortal> yesssssss 
56:24 <myimmortal> thy prophet has returned
56:31 <Warren1984> long time no see
56:42 <myimmortal> yesssssss
57:00 <myimmortal> how are ya wazz hows work going
57:02 <myimmortal> how are ya wazz hows work going
59:00 <Tigger_> A FOUR-year-old boy has been kidnapped and beheaded in a horrific human sacrifice to the Hindu Goddess Kali.
59:00 <Tigger_> The Times of India reported that the little boy was abducted by a villager from his daycare centre in the remote Prakasam district of Andhra Pradesh state.
59:00 <Tigger_> It was when the victims mother went to pick up her son that she realised he wasn’t there and was told he had been taken by 35-year-old Tirumala Rao.
59:00 <Tigger_> Rao is said to have taken the boy back to his house where he performed the gruesome beheading and collected the boys blood into a bottle so he could offer it to the Hindu Goddess Kali seeking “divine powers”.
59:22 <Tigger_> A FOUR-year-old boy has been kidnapped and beheaded in a horrific human sacrifice to the Hindu Goddess Kali.
59:23 <Tigger_> The Times of India reported that the little boy was abducted by a villager from his daycare centre in the remote Prakasam district of Andhra Pradesh state.
59:23 <Tigger_> It was when the victims mother went to pick up her son that she realised he wasn’t there and was told he had been taken by 35-year-old Tirumala Rao.
59:23 <Tigger_> Rao is said to have taken the boy back to his house where he performed the gruesome beheading and collected the boys blood into a bottle so he could offer it to the Hindu Goddess Kali seeking “divine powers”.
00:00 <myimmortal> fark
00:46 <myimmortal> fark
01:00 <myimmortal> sounds like an illuminati sacrifice
01:00 <Tigger_> Hindus have been around a lot longer than the Illuminati
01:14 <myimmortal> sounds like an illuminati sacrifice
01:46 <Tigger_> Hindus have been around a lot longer than the Illuminati
02:00 <myimmortal> yesssssss they have
02:42 <myimmortal> yesssssss they have
05:00 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtDmhVsUMyg
05:00 <Tigger_> Yowie Sighting at Mt. Tamborine, Queensland
05:33 <Tigger_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtDmhVsUMyg
05:47 <Tigger_> Yowie Sighting at Mt. Tamborine, Queensland
10:00 <doctor> wow this girl is neurotic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5cMZymSr0
10:51 <doctor> wow this girl is neurotic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5cMZymSr0
11:00 <myimmortal> has anyone seen prom
11:00 <Tigger_> prom has vanished
11:00 <myimmortal> O:) 
11:00 <myimmortal> did he ever come back
11:10 <myimmortal> has anyone seen prom
11:18 <Tigger_> prom has vanished
11:25 <myimmortal> O:)
11:44 <myimmortal> did he ever come back
13:00 <doctor> imagine being wedded to that
13:00 <Warren1984> [15:57] <myimmortal> how are ya wazz hows work going <- not bad
13:01 <doctor> imagine being wedded to that
13:05 <Warren1984> [15:57] <myimmortal> how are ya wazz hows work going <- not bad
14:00 <Tigger_> she sure is annoying, I'm surprised the bear didn't leave just to get some peace and quiet
14:18 <Tigger_> she sure is annoying, I'm surprised the bear didn't leave just to get some peace and quiet
15:00 <doctor> probably wasn't all too happy about being pepper sprayed so though it would get revenge
15:00 <doctor> the yelling and screaming would have just made it more likely to destroy her stuff
15:00 <doctor> i certainly would if i were one
15:04 <doctor> probably wasn't all too happy about being pepper sprayed so though it would get revenge
15:44 <doctor> the yelling and screaming would have just made it more likely to destroy her stuff
15:53 <doctor> i certainly would if i were one
17:00 <Tigger_> I hear bears are very fast and dangerous, I'm not sure what I'd do
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17:38 <Tigger_> I hear bears are very fast and dangerous, I'm not sure what I'd do
18:00 <doctor> if they look aggressive they might be a problem
18:00 <doctor> most bear encounters ive seen from videos they just look curious
18:32 <doctor> if they look aggressive they might be a problem
18:45 <doctor> most bear encounters ive seen from videos they just look curious
19:00 <doctor> the mothers with youngens around are apparently the most likely to attack
19:14 <doctor> the mothers with youngens around are apparently the most likely to attack
23:00 <Tigger_> if there was no other option I'd attack and hope that it's not a very brave bear
23:55 <Tigger_> if there was no other option I'd attack and hope that it's not a very brave bear
25:00 <doctor> yeah, if worse comes to worse fight or flight would trigger and if there's no escape
25:16 <doctor> yeah, if worse comes to worse fight or flight would trigger and if there's no escape
35:00 <Tigger_> quite scary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38MtFToNPns
35:40 <Tigger_> quite scary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38MtFToNPns
36:00 <Tigger_> though the bear seems to be more curious than anything, not aggressive
36:03 <Tigger_> though the bear seems to be more curious than anything, not aggressive
37:00 <doctor> yeah, just curious
37:00 <doctor> if it wanted to kill them it could easily break the windows
37:35 <doctor> yeah, just curious
37:47 <doctor> if it wanted to kill them it could easily break the windows
38:00 <Tigger_> I've read that lions in africa have figured out that they can puncture the tyres of vehicles with their claws, immobilising them
38:00 <doctor> they're constantly being hunted so I'm not surprised if they learn how to fight back
38:12 <Tigger_> I've read that lions in africa have figured out that they can puncture the tyres of vehicles with their claws, immobilising them
38:55 <doctor> they're constantly being hunted so I'm not surprised if they learn how to fight back
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38:00 <ajnin> Nice discount on lego
38:00 <ajnin> at target
38:00 <ajnin> 60095 is 40 bucks off
38:00 <ajnin> just got one!
38:04 <ajnin> Nice discount on lego
38:07 <ajnin> at target
38:13 <ajnin> 60095 is 40 bucks off
38:16 <ajnin> just got one!
43:00 <Tigger_> what's the usual price?
43:55 <Tigger_> what's the usual price?
46:00 <Tigger_> http://www.amazon.com/Lego-60095-Deep-Exploration-Vessel/dp/B00SDTYY9I
46:00 <Tigger_> quite a fancy set, I must never get into Lego, it would never stop
46:27 <Tigger_> http://www.amazon.com/Lego-60095-Deep-Exploration-Vessel/dp/B00SDTYY9I
46:47 <Tigger_> quite a fancy set, I must never get into Lego, it would never stop
48:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ smart move
48:00 <ajnin> its a good set
48:00 <ajnin> I think these will be worth money
48:49 <ajnin> Tigger_ smart move
48:53 <ajnin> its a good set
48:58 <ajnin> I think these will be worth money
49:00 <ajnin> deepsea is not really popular.. not like space and police and fire
49:00 <ajnin> so it will not sell to much
49:00 <ajnin> and in a few years the collectors will want it
49:00 <ajnin> lol
49:00 <ajnin> but this one is to play with 
49:14 <ajnin> deepsea is not really popular.. not like space and police and fire
49:20 <ajnin> so it will not sell to much
49:29 <ajnin> and in a few years the collectors will want it
49:30 <ajnin> lol
49:33 <ajnin> but this one is to play with
50:00 <Tigger_> I had space sets when I was a kid, and some technical lego, it was a mishmash really
50:00 <Tigger_> though I have wondered if 3D printing will ever make Lego piracy feasible, economically that is
50:06 <Tigger_> I had space sets when I was a kid, and some technical lego, it was a mishmash really
50:45 <Tigger_> though I have wondered if 3D printing will ever make Lego piracy feasible, economically that is
52:00 <Tigger_> or actually a completely new block building standard
52:00 <Tigger_> and creative people can design their own blocks and sets
52:09 <Tigger_> or actually a completely new block building standard
52:25 <Tigger_> and creative people can design their own blocks and sets
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05:00 <Tigger_> hi Lish 
05:13 <Tigger_> hi Lish
06:00 <Lish> Hi
06:08 <Lish> Hi
07:00 <ajnin> Warren1984 NICE!
07:00 <anotherirc3r> they don't need encouraging
07:00 <Warren1984> hi ajnin
07:00 <ajnin> i wish I was like 15 yr younger
07:00 <ajnin> I would be a sick personal trainer
07:00 <ajnin> for power lifting
07:00 <Tigger_> are you tired?
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07:52 <Tigger_> are you tired?
08:00 <ajnin> too late now
08:00 <boardas> i wish ppl werent retards
08:00 <ajnin> stick in IT forever
08:00 <ajnin> until I open a shop
08:00 <boardas> i sit here i turned 120k in to 200k
08:00 <ajnin> i want to run a kebab shop
08:00 <boardas> in 7 years
08:00 <ajnin> boardas I wish I was on 200k
08:00 <boardas> nah
08:00 <Lish> Yes
08:00 <Lish> Very
08:14 <Lish> Yes
08:51 <Lish> Very
09:00 <boardas> i own my place
09:00 <boardas> im god
09:00 <boardas> here
09:00 <ajnin> did you purchase it 
09:00 <boardas> yes
09:00 <ajnin> nice
09:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ what can I do about my 1. working memory 2. organization and 3. sense of time ?
09:00 <boardas> if it had to get knock down
09:00 <boardas> i get 250k
09:00 <ajnin> who wants to see a fucking weird startrack song ?
09:00 <boardas> nice start from 120k
09:00 <boardas> to 250k in 7 years
09:00 <boardas> but im retarded
09:00 <boardas> im stupid
09:00 <boardas> fuck u stupid fucks
09:00 <Tigger_> at what point in the day do you notice that you are tired?
09:00 <Lish> Depends 
09:00 <Lish> Normal weeks around 10pm
09:00 <Lish> This week around 8
09:14 <Tigger_> at what point in the day do you notice that you are tired?
09:34 <Lish> Depends
09:44 <Lish> Normal weeks around 10pm
09:48 <Lish> This week around 8
10:00 <anotherirc3r> no one is saying you're retarded
10:00 <boardas> my mum warned me about u 
10:00 <boardas> u spose to think worlds about u
10:00 <boardas> its not
10:00 <Tigger_> some people need more sleep than others
10:54 <Tigger_> some people need more sleep than others
11:00 <boardas> not even about me
11:00 <ajnin> what
11:00 <anotherirc3r> i'm confused..
11:00 <boardas> im god
11:00 <boardas> well my middle name means it
11:00 <boardas> in hebrew
11:00 <Warren1984> unable to fulfill their responsibilities at work and at home
11:00 <boardas> my psych told me that
11:00 <boardas> he was jewish
11:00 <boardas> he is legend
11:00 <Lish> I think normal people who get up and go to work just get tired 
11:00 <Lish> And have a normal routine
11:00 <Lish> Being tired at 10pm is pretty normal lol
11:00 <Tigger_> is it?
11:00 <Lish> 8pm this week because I have my period and that makes me more tired
11:37 <Lish> I think normal people who get up and go to work just get tired
11:41 <Lish> And have a normal routine
11:48 <Lish> Being tired at 10pm is pretty normal lol
11:56 <Tigger_> is it?
11:59 <Lish> 8pm this week because I have my period and that makes me more tired
12:00 <Osskkaarr> looooooollllllllllllllllllll @ boardas
12:00 <boardas> fuck off wanker
12:00 <boardas> first names to bear christ
12:00 <anotherirc3r> have you been smoking again Chris?
12:00 <boardas> no
12:00 <Osskkaarr> ..
12:00 <Lish> Ajnin goes to be at this time 
12:00 <Lish> He's normal 
12:00 <Tigger_> all very strange
12:00 <Lish> Actually doing something during the day makes you more tired
12:08 <Lish> Ajnin goes to be at this time
12:11 <Lish> He's normal
12:21 <Tigger_> all very strange
12:58 <Lish> Actually doing something during the day makes you more tired
13:00 <boardas> why dont u go fuck vt lover
13:00 <boardas> cars i made parts for
13:00 <anotherirc3r> ummm, what?
13:00 <boardas> get off irc
13:00 <boardas> before u dumb as them
13:00 <anotherirc3r> no
13:00 <Tigger_> I do things during the day, but fun things
13:52 <Tigger_> I do things during the day, but fun things
14:00 <boardas> ok you already that dumb
14:00 <Tigger_> but getting back to the hypothesis that yowies are convergent evolutionary equivalents of primates, if it took another million years for homo sapians to discover Australia, then maybe there would have been a yowie civilisation here
14:00 <boardas> id rather be with guy that rents
14:00 <ajnin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClP8n6asn3w
14:00 <boardas> means we can get kicked out
14:00 <boardas> means we can get kicked out\
14:00 <anotherirc3r> yup. i'm dumb
14:00 <boardas> and live on street
14:00 <ajnin> if you know / like star trek its funny as!!
14:00 <boardas> s
15:00 <boardas> i own a bit of australia
15:00 <boardas> i got it for nothing
15:00 <boardas> government wants me to keep it
16:00 <Warren1984> manage time, remember responsibilities and remain organized
16:00 <Osskkaarr> the sand from outside next to the bins ?
16:00 <boardas> david pullcock
16:00 <boardas> come now
16:00 <Warren1984> ajnin would you say electronics is complicated
16:00 <boardas> i end u
16:00 <boardas> one punch
16:00 <ajnin> Warren1984 thats an open question
16:00 <boardas> weak cunt
16:00 <ajnin> thats like asking is maths complicated
16:00 <Osskkaarr> You can try Chris :)
16:00 <Tigger_> such as my quota reset today, so I've been downloading lots of bluray rips
16:43 <Tigger_> such as my quota reset today, so I've been downloading lots of bluray rips
17:00 <boardas> all talk
17:00 <boardas> u got ya fat bitch
17:00 <boardas> now fuck off
17:00 <boardas> prey on the mental hey david
17:00 <ajnin> Warren1984 I found it hard to understand
17:00 <ajnin> I needed a tutor
17:00 <Osskkaarr> Projection Chirs :)
17:00 <anotherirc3r> who's fat?
17:00 <Warren1984> me Jen
17:00 <Warren1984> 113.3KG
17:00 <Lish> Boring
17:32 <Lish> Boring
18:00 <Osskkaarr> Who's my fat bitch Chris ?
18:00 <anotherirc3r> as if you are Warren
18:00 <boardas> its better to rent
18:00 <boardas> then to have 150k locked away
18:00 <anotherirc3r> Chris, who's Osskkaarr's fat bitch?
18:00 <boardas> its better to have nothing
18:00 <boardas> u like him
19:00 <boardas> im not one playing head games
19:00 <anotherirc3r> okay.. i'm just not going to ask
19:00 <boardas> when u wake up
19:00 <boardas> to you
19:00 <boardas> u will see
19:00 <boardas> most these ppl are retards
19:00 <boardas> and u choose to meet them
19:00 <boardas> whats that make u
19:00 <Tigger_> three films from the 1940s by Otto Preminger, in 1080p
19:22 <Tigger_> three films from the 1940s by Otto Preminger, in 1080p
20:00 <boardas> being schizophrenic
20:00 <Lish> So dull 
20:59 <Lish> So dull
21:00 <boardas> is like crash course
21:00 <boardas> in reading ppl
21:00 <boardas> just dont come crying to me when u get fucked over
21:00 <Osskkaarr> Chris, You will meet any female on IRC that says hello to you.. what does that make you ?
21:00 <boardas> no i wont
21:00 <wolframhart> Lmao chris
21:00 <Lish> I want a Weiss bar but I'm too asleep to get one
21:00 <Tigger_> where are they?
21:00 <Lish> freezer
21:24 <Lish> I want a Weiss bar but I'm too asleep to get one
21:30 <Tigger_> where are they?
21:58 <Lish> freezer
22:00 <boardas> i met 2
22:00 <boardas> thats enough
22:00 <Osskkaarr> and look what you did.
22:00 <boardas> first one was sane
22:00 <ajnin> in about 15+ years of IRC
22:00 <ajnin> i meet 1 girl
22:00 <Osskkaarr> they don't want to see you again.
22:00 <ajnin> and I also went to a ISP BBQ
22:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ knows everything about electronics
22:00 <ajnin> but that was it
22:00 <boardas> i miss mandy
22:00 <boardas> she was normal
22:00 <Lish> Kitchen 
22:00 <Tigger_> then holler at your husband to get one
22:02 <Lish> Kitchen
22:23 <Tigger_> then holler at your husband to get one
23:00 <ajnin> Alphalink used to have BBQ's
23:00 <ajnin> haha
23:00 <ajnin> cuase back then the internet was new and exciting
23:00 <ajnin> and friendly
23:00 <wolframhart> Did you go to cw or ruxcon stuff ajnin
23:00 <Osskkaarr> Mandy ? is that the chick you saw at Coles or a name you saw on a porn site ?
23:00 <boardas> look at this jerk
23:00 <boardas> thinks his good
23:00 <boardas> cause he can see jen
23:00 <boardas> what a loser
23:00 <ajnin> wolframhart sorta... I went to a few things
23:00 <Osskkaarr> it's just simple questions Chris.
24:00 <boardas> no its not
24:00 <anotherirc3r> please leave me out of it
24:00 <boardas> its bullshit u made u
24:00 <boardas> p
24:00 <boardas> then u grow up
24:00 <Osskkaarr> What bullshit Chris ?
24:00 <boardas> u r
24:00 <ajnin> wolframhart I went to a few +613 things
24:00 <ajnin> when that was bigger back in the day
24:00 <boardas> i dont want to agrue
24:00 <boardas> with weak kunts
24:00 <ajnin> I also did a few BBS meetups
24:00 <wolframhart> Chris is a whinge sink its a waste of time reasoning with him
24:00 <boardas> that will not stick up for the words in person
24:00 <ajnin> then the BBS sence in melbounre got really fucked
24:00 <Lish> He is getting me one
24:17 <Lish> He is getting me one
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25:00 <ajnin> ok
25:00 <ajnin> its way past my bed time
25:00 <ajnin> Good night all
25:00 <boardas> arguing with Osskkaarr is like having a dump on an ant hill
25:00 <wolframhart> Cya ninja
26:00 <boardas> nah my diereaha
26:00 <anotherirc3r> ninights ajnin
26:00 <boardas> looks better then Osskkaarr
26:00 <boardas> i over it
26:00 <boardas> dont care about ne1 but me
26:00 <boardas> u want lose
26:00 <boardas> u lose
27:00 <boardas> u want be a sheep
27:00 <boardas> im a wolf
27:00 <boardas> i eat sheep
27:00 <boardas> for breakfast
28:00 <ajnin> whos in SA ??
28:00 <ajnin> http://southaustralia.traveller.com.au/article/conchita-does-her-wurst/?iid=ban_satcdrivers_articleonhomepage_theage
28:00 <Osskkaarr> I laugh everytime Chris whinges about someone.. cause he just doesn't understand and never will, but he thinks he's "the one" ... didn't even get off the ground let alone make it to the bedroom.
28:00 <ajnin> lucky south australia!!
28:00 <boardas> i laugh at Osskkaarr
28:00 <anotherirc3r> don't be harsh Dave
28:00 <boardas> wont come
28:00 <boardas> stick up for his words
28:00 <boardas> weak cunt
28:00 <ajnin> good night again
29:00 <boardas> i owe Osskkaarr a punch in face for everytime he called me faggot
29:00 <boardas> come cutn
29:00 <boardas> cunt
29:00 <boardas> thats about 2000 punches to the face
29:00 <boardas> weak cunt
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30:00 <Osskkaarr> I'm sorry Jennifer.
30:00 <boardas> no your not
30:00 <boardas> u just want in her pants
30:00 <boardas> come one u weak all talk cunt
30:00 <boardas> come on
31:00 <boardas> u weak piece of shit
31:00 <boardas> once Osskkaarr
32:00 <boardas> said if i prove him wrong 
32:00 <boardas> i get his housre
32:00 <boardas> house
32:00 <boardas> and i proved him wrong
32:00 <boardas> weak piece of shit
32:00 <anotherirc3r> what?
32:00 <boardas> he said if i could get into melbourne channel
32:00 <boardas> i would get his house
32:00 <boardas> and i fucken did
32:00 <boardas> he is all talk
33:00 <boardas> a fucken liar
33:00 <Osskkaarr> No you didn't, you still couldn't get back into Melbourne.. I asked Sarah to remove the ban on you.. so I can laugh at you.
33:00 <boardas> i can get back in tonight
33:00 <boardas> i can get in ne time i want
33:00 <boardas> but u think its big deal irc
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34:00 <boardas> i rather focus on life
34:00 <boardas> typing is not life
34:00 <Lish> Lolol
34:00 <Lish> Neither is flooding bro
34:00 <Osskkaarr> And because I gave her the right banmask to keep you out.. she'll never remove that ban.. and adding to your abuse and threats to her in pm.. it's a noexpire ban.. you are never getting back into that channel Chris
34:00 <boardas> so
35:00 <Osskkaarr> and there's nothing you can do about it :)
35:00 <boardas> i dont talk to retards
35:00 <boardas> ow
35:00 <boardas> wo
35:00 <boardas> wow
35:00 <boardas> i banned from sluts channel
35:00 <boardas> id rather wank
35:00 <Lish> What channel
35:00 <boardas> u want be smartass Osskkaarr
35:00 <boardas> u come
35:00 <boardas> or else shutup
36:00 <Osskkaarr> Nup :)
36:00 <boardas> weak moron fuck
36:00 <Osskkaarr> I'll talk if I want to.
36:00 <boardas> yeah u being played
36:00 <boardas> i make u think u pissing me off
36:00 <boardas> u keep going
36:00 <boardas> fucken moron
37:00 <Lish> Lolol
37:00 <boardas> oh i can write basic scripts
37:00 <boardas> i legend
37:00 <Osskkaarr> Look at your raging abuse Chris.. no wonder people don't like you. :)
37:00 <Lish> You both sound retarded
37:00 <boardas> i not raging
37:00 <boardas> i playing u
38:00 <Osskkaarr> Lish, Yeah.. I am, just like your cupcakes :)
38:00 <Lish> My cupcakes are pretty good 
38:00 <Lish> Actually people would pay money for them 
38:00 <Lish> So that's a really bad insult
39:00 <Osskkaarr> would .. but haven't
40:00 <Warren1984> http://top-10-list.org/2013/05/24/top-10-most-difficult-subjects/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+top-10-list%2FIAGi+(Top+10+List)
40:00 <Osskkaarr> Id eat them yum
40:00 <Warren1984> 4. Electromagnetic field theory
40:00 <Lish> Osskkaarr: you're bad at this
40:00 <Osskkaarr> Bad at this ? I'm not even trying.
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41:00 <wolframhart> Electromagnetics is hard warren
41:00 <wolframhart> Lots of people fail it at uni
41:00 <wolframhart> But tafe will keep it simple
42:00 <Osskkaarr> My efforts of "trolling" like the old days.. are no longer, I respond how I would in real life.
42:00 <Lish> Lamely
43:00 <Osskkaarr> and I was good back in my day :)
43:00 <Lish> I doubt it
44:00 <Warren1984> Lish do you understand Quantum physics
44:00 <Warren1984> because I don't
47:00 <anotherirc3r> bye Pierce
47:00 <ajnin> good night
47:32 <ajnin> good night
54:00 <Tigger_> night ajnin 
54:53 <Tigger_> night ajnin
58:00 <anotherirc3r> xmendo!
00:00 <xm> ninjendo
02:00 <Marttin> You made doctor quit before its his time
04:00 <Marttin> <Osskkaarr> My efforts of "trolling" like the old days.. are no longer, I respond how I would in real life <- LOLLLL david has matured, finally he can hear robert ingham name without feeling down
05:00 <Osskkaarr> eer
05:00 <Osskkaarr> You think that name has an effect on me.. because it would on you.
05:00 <Osskkaarr> That name doesn't do a thing to me.
06:00 <anotherirc3r> is Marttin being a jerk again?
06:00 <anotherirc3r> how unusual
07:00 <Lish> lollllllll
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21:00 <Warren1984> http://ordiate.com/entertainment/humor/top-10-typical-lies-men-tell-women/
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42:00 <IvanTheBastard> hi friends
42:52 <IvanTheBastard> hi friends
43:00 <Marttin> Warren i cant see the website, can you paste the 10 lies or is it too long?
43:00 <anotherirc3r> haha
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44:00 <anotherirc3r> if a guy said he liked romantic movies..
44:00 <anotherirc3r> punch him in the face
46:00 <Marttin> Because you dont believe him or because you are a monster who dont like romantic guys and you turn out rough just like you want it
46:00 <Osskkaarr> This should be good
46:00 <anotherirc3r> not because i don't believe him. because i hate romantic movies
46:00 <anotherirc3r> they're lame
47:00 <Marttin> Ah ok
47:00 <anotherirc3r> and yes, i'm a monster
47:00 <Warren1984> hey IvanTheBastard
47:00 <Warren1984> It is the disorganization in your mind, not the amount of material, that hinders memory.... Long-term memory is relatively permanent, and has a virtually unlimited capacity. - See more at: http://www.memory-improvement-tips.com/memory-systems.html#sthash.79ksoSN3.dpuf
47:25 <Warren1984> hey IvanTheBastard
47:41 <Warren1984> It is the disorganization in your mind, not the amount of material, that hinders memory.... Long-term memory is relatively permanent, and has a virtually unlimited capacity. - See more at: http://www.memory-improvement-tips.com/memory-systems.html#sthash.79ksoSN3.dpuf
52:00 <Warren1984> a digital voice recorder keeps your information physically stored in an organized way
52:30 <Warren1984> a digital voice recorder keeps your information physically stored in an organized way
55:00 <IvanTheBastard> Interesting
55:17 <IvanTheBastard> Interesting
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00:00 <Warren1984> can I take a BRAIN DUMP in here
04:00 <Osskkaarr> haha .. If i'm with someone I don't stare at other females, same with the porn sites.
04:00 <anotherirc3r> give me a horror/thriller movie anyday
08:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Trump> loolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
10:00 <Osskkaarr> RoFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL @ Mx_Brettingham_Trump
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11:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Trump> morning Osskkaarr i got your back bro
15:00 <clarity> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZiz5BeB-yw&feature=youtu.be
24:00 <IvanTheBastard> hello friends
25:00 <anotherirc3r> heya Ivan
25:00 <IvanTheBastard> Hi Jen whats going on?
26:00 <anotherirc3r> not a lot really.. you?
26:00 <IvanTheBastard> same pretty much 
32:00 <IvanTheBastard> Jen when is warrens party
32:00 <anotherirc3r> why?
33:00 <IvanTheBastard> Ive been away for a few days so i was just wondering if its still on
36:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_Laptop is here
36:00 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_Laptop
36:00 <Warren1984> xm
36:00 <xm> ey Warren1984 
37:00 <Warren1984> where is doctor
37:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Trump> doctor is at the hospital
37:00 <Marttin> He left 2 hours ago
37:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Trump> poz confirmation
37:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Trump> party this weekend
40:00 <Warren1984> xm electricity can be compared to water in multiple ways
41:00 <Warren1984> however if you chop an active water pipe open
41:00 <Warren1984> water would come out
41:00 <Warren1984> do the same to an electrical wire and no current comes out
42:00 <xm> warren, that is because electrons require a conducting medium to flow. water IS what is being pushed out by the pressure/voltage
45:00 <Warren1984> the truth is to me both conventional and electron flow are correct
46:00 <Warren1984> the 2 happen exactly at the same time
46:00 <xm> analogies always breakdown at some point but i think the water analogy is a very good one
46:00 <Warren1984> yeah the lecturer said that
46:00 <Warren1984> but the scientists and electricians are both right
46:00 <Warren1984> scientists say positive
47:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Trump> i have noticed, on espn
47:00 <Warren1984> electricians say negative
47:00 <Mx_Brettingham_Trump> they use lighting to make the niggers look less black
47:00 <xm> you're referring to terminal convention Warren1984 ?
47:00 <Warren1984> anyway gotta take my meds incase I get Psychosis
47:00 <xm> lol Warren1984 
47:00 <Warren1984> nuh umm scientists said electricity flows from positive to negative
48:00 <Warren1984> but electricians say it's the other way around
48:00 <xm> that is what i meant Warren1984 
48:00 <xm> two different conventions
49:00 <Warren1984> the strange thing is the fuse and switch are on the positive side
54:00 <xm> what's wrong with that?
54:00 <xm> also remember in AC the current goes back and forth from positive and negative many times a second. around 60Hz
55:00 <slower> it seems strange to me that everything we "thought" how things were/worked we corrected when we found out otherwise, but we still pretend that its the + [ protons] that move in the electrical current
55:00 <xm> there is only a permanent positive and negative terminal in DC
55:00 <xm> my school never taught me that protons flowed
56:00 <xm> we were told pretty early it was the flow of electrons
56:00 <slower> so why do we still use the + to show current flow
57:00 <slower> or "active"
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