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30:00 <okiss> DEADS ALL AROUND http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-usgs-99-9-percent-chance-20151022-story.html
30:00 <progressive> [ USGS slams study[apos]s claim of 99.9% chance of large L.A.-area earthquake - LA Times ] - www.latimes.com
30:08 <okiss> DEADS ALL AROUND http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-usgs-99-9-percent-chance-20151022-story.html
30:08 <progressive> [ USGS slams study[apos]s claim of 99.9% chance of large L.A.-area earthquake - LA Times ] - www.latimes.com
32:00 <Mx_Trump> so 99.9% chance of niggers rioting and looting
32:51 <Mx_Trump> so 99.9% chance of niggers rioting and looting
33:00 <okiss> Id like to be alive for best coverage of the great one, thats meant to be before 2072 or something 
33:00 <Mx_Trump> google, amazon and microsoft shares all up 10% today
33:12 <okiss> Id like to be alive for best coverage of the great one, thats meant to be before 2072 or something
33:19 <Mx_Trump> google, amazon and microsoft shares all up 10% today
34:00 <okiss> http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/10/23/inenglish/1445598432_161212.html
34:00 <progressive> [ Inditex founder Amancio Ortega: Amancio Ortega is now world’s richest man, says ‘Forbes’ magazine | In English | EL PAíS ] - elpais.com
34:12 <okiss> http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/10/23/inenglish/1445598432_161212.html
34:13 <progressive> [ Inditex founder Amancio Ortega: Amancio Ortega is now world’s richest man, says ‘Forbes’ magazine | In English | EL PAíS ] - elpais.com
35:00 <Tigger_> I can imagine the headlines "Massive Earthquake hits LA.  Women and minorities disadvantaged the most."
35:16 <Tigger_> I can imagine the headlines "Massive Earthquake hits LA. Women and minorities disadvantaged the most."
36:00 <IvanTheBastard> hi kids
36:00 <Tigger_> hi ivan
36:00 <IvanTheBastard> whats goin on Trigger?
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36:34 <IvanTheBastard> hi kids
36:40 <Tigger_> hi ivan
36:41 Mode: (by ChanOP) -o IvanTheBastard
36:50 <IvanTheBastard> whats goin on Trigger?
37:00 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump's shares are all up today, so he's very pleased
37:39 <Tigger_> Mx_Trump's shares are all up today, so he's very pleased
38:00 <Mx_Trump> for every 1% microsoft goes up, my net worth goes up by $10 million
38:45 <Mx_Trump> for every 1% microsoft goes up, my net worth goes up by $10 million
39:00 <Tigger_> and your McDonalds shares yesterday went up after the black CEO was turfed out
39:13 <Tigger_> and your McDonalds shares yesterday went up after the black CEO was turfed out
40:00 <Mx_Trump> they were just talking about mcdonalds actually, they are saying australia is the perfect market and they are going to copy what we have done world wide
40:00 <Mx_Trump> with all that bullshit about where the meat comes from etc
40:00 <Tigger_> are they trying the McCafe idea anywhere else yet?
40:00 <Mx_Trump> i dont know
40:04 <Mx_Trump> they were just talking about mcdonalds actually, they are saying australia is the perfect market and they are going to copy what we have done world wide
40:11 <Mx_Trump> with all that bullshit about where the meat comes from etc
40:32 <Tigger_> are they trying the McCafe idea anywhere else yet?
40:46 <Mx_Trump> i dont know
41:00 <okiss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SMUCMn_BQ
41:00 <progressive> URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 101] Network is unreachable> (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1184, in do_open)
41:04 <okiss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SMUCMn_BQ
41:09 <progressive> URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 101] Network is unreachable> (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1184, in do_open)
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42:00 <Mx_Trump> The first one in the United States opening in Chicago, Illinois, in May 2001 when there were about 300 worldwide.[4] In 2004 McCafé opened in Costa Rica, and the next year, the concept was launched in Italy. In 2007, 
42:00 <Mx_Trump> the chain expanded to Japan as part of McDonald's efforts to boost sales with healthier soup and sandwich offerings and reach out to new customers who favoured traditional coffee shops.[5] Despite being a relatively small part of McDonald's overall strategy, there are currently 1,300 worldwide.
42:00 <Mx_Trump> it started in melbourne in 1993
42:00 <Tigger_> I knew it started in Australia, but I didn't know it went that far back
42:06 <Mx_Trump> The first one in the United States opening in Chicago, Illinois, in May 2001 when there were about 300 worldwide.[4] In 2004 McCafé opened in Costa Rica, and the next year, the concept was launched in Italy. In 2007,
42:07 <Mx_Trump> the chain expanded to Japan as part of McDonald's efforts to boost sales with healthier soup and sandwich offerings and reach out to new customers who favoured traditional coffee shops.[5] Despite being a relatively small part of McDonald's overall strategy, there are currently 1,300 worldwide.
42:17 <Mx_Trump> it started in melbourne in 1993
42:45 <Tigger_> I knew it started in Australia, but I didn't know it went that far back
47:00 <Mx_Trump> http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/full_menu/full_menu_explorer.html
47:00 <progressive> [ Full Menu Explorer :: McDonalds.com ] - www.mcdonalds.com
47:00 <Mx_Trump> doesnt look much different to what we have
47:40 <Mx_Trump> http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/full_menu/full_menu_explorer.html
47:40 <progressive> [ Full Menu Explorer :: McDonalds.com ] - www.mcdonalds.com
47:45 <Mx_Trump> doesnt look much different to what we have
48:00 <Tigger_> the recipes are quite different though
48:00 <Tigger_> the Australian fries are just four ingredients; potatoes, vegetable oil, salt, and anti-caking agent.  the US fries have 19 ingredients
48:15 <Tigger_> the recipes are quite different though
48:53 <Tigger_> the Australian fries are just four ingredients; potatoes, vegetable oil, salt, and anti-caking agent. the US fries have 19 ingredients
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24:00 <Ethanol> https://goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com/2015/10/23/pathological-anthropology/
24:00 <progressive> [ Pathological Anthropology | Goodbye, America (in a photo) ] - goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com
24:31 <Ethanol> https://goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com/2015/10/23/pathological-anthropology/
24:32 <progressive> [ Pathological Anthropology | Goodbye, America (in a photo) ] - goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com
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36:00 <Tigger_> The university of Cincinnati anthropology department had twelve faculty member post pictures like this on Facebook. They’ve also put them all together as their page’s cover photo, no matter how loosely connected it is to their field’s actual study.
36:30 <Tigger_> The university of Cincinnati anthropology department had twelve faculty member post pictures like this on Facebook. They’ve also put them all together as their page’s cover photo, no matter how loosely connected it is to their field’s actual study.
37:00 <Tigger_> a few years ago anthropologists petitioned to have anthropology declassified as a science, as the need for data and other such nuisances got in the way of minority advocacy
37:22 <Tigger_> a few years ago anthropologists petitioned to have anthropology declassified as a science, as the need for data and other such nuisances got in the way of minority advocacy
39:00 <Tigger_> perhaps it'll start a trend, churches rejecting the label that they are a religion, as it is not compatible with minority advocacy
39:56 <Tigger_> perhaps it'll start a trend, churches rejecting the label that they are a religion, as it is not compatible with minority advocacy
41:00 <Tigger_> or better yet, schools and universities declaring that they have a higher calling than education
41:03 <Tigger_> or better yet, schools and universities declaring that they have a higher calling than education
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59:00 <Tigger_> living in a post-satire world: http://www.trentonian.com/lgbt/20151018/trenton-high-teacher-allegedly-rigged-homecoming-votes-transgender-teen-crowned
59:00 <progressive> [ Trenton High teacher allegedly rigged homecoming votes, transgender teen crowned ] - www.trentonian.com
59:10 <Tigger_> living in a post-satire world: http://www.trentonian.com/lgbt/20151018/trenton-high-teacher-allegedly-rigged-homecoming-votes-transgender-teen-crowned
59:11 <progressive> [ Trenton High teacher allegedly rigged homecoming votes, transgender teen crowned ] - www.trentonian.com
00:00 <Ethanol> it is becoming increasingly hard to make this stuff up
00:43 <Ethanol> it is becoming increasingly hard to make this stuff up
01:00 <Ethanol> The Onion will go out of business within a few years
01:12 <Ethanol> The Onion will go out of business within a few years
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06:00 <Tigger_> I blame social media for this.  before freaks were scattered far and wide, never enough in one area to form critical mass to inflict their syndromes on normal people, now they can seek each other out and create online communities to egg each other on to ever greater outrages against decency
06:22 <Tigger_> I blame social media for this. before freaks were scattered far and wide, never enough in one area to form critical mass to inflict their syndromes on normal people, now they can seek each other out and create online communities to egg each other on to ever greater outrages against decency
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27:00 <Tigger_> http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sam-de-brito-funeral-mourners-farewell-fairfax-media-columnist-and-author-20151021-gkejft.html
27:00 <progressive> [ Mourners farewell Fairfax Media columnist Sam de Brito ] - www.smh.com.au
27:00 <Tigger_> Sam De Brito, who longed for a world without religion, has his funeral in a church
27:00 <Tigger_> granted that it's a Uniting Church, so possibly doesn't count
27:14 <Tigger_> http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sam-de-brito-funeral-mourners-farewell-fairfax-media-columnist-and-author-20151021-gkejft.html
27:16 <progressive> [ Mourners farewell Fairfax Media columnist Sam de Brito ] - www.smh.com.au
27:41 <Tigger_> Sam De Brito, who longed for a world without religion, has his funeral in a church
27:55 <Tigger_> granted that it's a Uniting Church, so possibly doesn't count
35:00 <ajnin> ahah
35:06 <ajnin> ahah
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08:00 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/a/tYjpm
08:00 <progressive> [ Has the Alpha Male outlived his usefulness? - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
08:58 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/a/tYjpm
08:59 <progressive> [ Has the Alpha Male outlived his usefulness? - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
19:00 <Tigger_> it's something I've noticed about a lot of scientists, that they're definitely not alpha males, usually the opposite end of the spectrum, omegas
19:51 <Tigger_> it's something I've noticed about a lot of scientists, that they're definitely not alpha males, usually the opposite end of the spectrum, omegas
22:00 <Tigger_> my intuition is that high IQ alphas go into business or maybe the military, while high IQ omegas go into science, don't earn much money, then nurse resentment all their lives, and then concoct theories like climate change as a passive aggressive way to get back at the alphas who did so much better than they did
22:00 <Tigger_> my intuition is that high IQ alphas go into business or maybe the military, while high IQ omegas go into science, don't earn much money, then nurse resentment all their lives, and then concoct theories like climate change as a passive aggressive way to get back at the alphas who did so much better than they did
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24:00 <Ethanol> <Tigger_> granted that it's a Uniting Church, so possibly doesn't count
24:00 <Ethanol> lol
24:00 <Ethanol> <Tigger_> granted that it's a Uniting Church, so possibly doesn't count
24:00 <Ethanol> lol
26:00 <Tigger_> once a week I google his name to see if the autopsy results have been released yet, nothing so far
26:17 <Tigger_> once a week I google his name to see if the autopsy results have been released yet, nothing so far
31:00 <Ethanol> And that is what he received as the hearse drove away down Oxford Street. There was clapping, whistles and whoops, even a cry of "Yeah Sammy!".
31:00 <Ethanol> heh
31:11 <Ethanol> And that is what he received as the hearse drove away down Oxford Street. There was clapping, whistles and whoops, even a cry of "Yeah Sammy!".
31:21 <Ethanol> heh
32:00 <Tigger_> so he died of AIDS
32:14 <Tigger_> so he died of AIDS
44:00 <ajnin> this yea I have fuckign spent 28k
44:00 <ajnin> on bills and shit
44:00 <ajnin> 13k of that is essientials
44:00 <ajnin> shit like i have to pay
44:00 <ajnin> thats fucked
44:00 <ajnin> leaking money
44:00 <ajnin> I hate it
44:09 <ajnin> this yea I have fuckign spent 28k
44:13 <ajnin> on bills and shit
44:33 <ajnin> 13k of that is essientials
44:39 <ajnin> shit like i have to pay
44:41 <ajnin> thats fucked
44:46 <ajnin> leaking money
44:47 <ajnin> I hate it
45:00 <ajnin> sorry
45:00 <ajnin> 24k
45:00 <ajnin> forgot to remove paypal
45:00 <ajnin> but still
45:00 <ajnin> not good
45:16 <ajnin> sorry
45:18 <ajnin> 24k
45:23 <ajnin> forgot to remove paypal
45:30 <ajnin> but still
45:34 <ajnin> not good
46:00 <Tigger_> what sorts of bills?
46:36 <Tigger_> what sorts of bills?
47:00 <ajnin> i track most things
47:19 <ajnin> i track most things
48:00 <ajnin> rates, petrol, transport, medical, shopping, junk food, phone, net, gas, electric
48:00 <ajnin> all that shit
48:00 <ajnin> oh .. house maintance, insurence
48:00 <ajnin> ect
48:00 <Tigger_> wasn't it about $2,000 for the junk food?
48:00 <Tigger_> at least you don't have Foxtel
48:01 <ajnin> rates, petrol, transport, medical, shopping, junk food, phone, net, gas, electric
48:04 <ajnin> all that shit
48:18 <ajnin> oh .. house maintance, insurence
48:19 <ajnin> ect
48:26 <Tigger_> wasn't it about $2,000 for the junk food?
48:53 <Tigger_> at least you don't have Foxtel
49:00 <ajnin> $1,718.40
49:00 <ajnin> in 2014
49:00 <ajnin> this year way less
49:00 <ajnin> $620.91 up to end of sep
49:03 <ajnin> $1,718.40
49:06 <ajnin> in 2014
49:11 <ajnin> this year way less
49:32 <ajnin> $620.91 up to end of sep
50:00 <Tigger_> substantial improvement
50:00 <ajnin> yea
50:00 <ajnin> but this year I have has a blow out on medical
50:00 <ajnin> last year it was 100 bucks
50:00 <ajnin> this year over 2k
50:00 <Tigger_> medical can be like that
50:06 <Tigger_> substantial improvement
50:11 <ajnin> yea
50:25 <ajnin> but this year I have has a blow out on medical
50:32 <ajnin> last year it was 100 bucks
50:38 <ajnin> this year over 2k
50:49 <Tigger_> medical can be like that
51:00 <ajnin> i think this tracks about 90% of my spending
51:00 <ajnin> its to time consuming to track everything
51:00 <ajnin> i know cunts who track everything down to the last cent
51:00 <ajnin> and it drives them nuts
51:13 <ajnin> i think this tracks about 90% of my spending
51:27 <ajnin> its to time consuming to track everything
51:37 <ajnin> i know cunts who track everything down to the last cent
51:42 <ajnin> and it drives them nuts
52:00 <Tigger_> if you pay for everything by credit card that gives you a pretty decent tracking of what you spent and what on
52:00 <Tigger_> if you pay for everything by credit card that gives you a pretty decent tracking of what you spent and what on
52:00 <ajnin> like when I would out shopping I just include Coles, Safeway and Aldi
52:00 <ajnin> not all the small indepentants
52:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ I do use CC for everything
52:00 <ajnin> and then I get the monthly extract
52:00 <ajnin> and put it in excel
52:00 <ajnin> and excel crunches all the numbers
52:00 <ajnin> all auto 
52:05 <ajnin> like when I would out shopping I just include Coles, Safeway and Aldi
52:11 <ajnin> not all the small indepentants
52:21 <ajnin> Tigger_ I do use CC for everything
52:27 <ajnin> and then I get the monthly extract
52:31 <ajnin> and put it in excel
52:40 <ajnin> and excel crunches all the numbers
52:47 <ajnin> all auto
53:00 <ajnin> spent 1100 on lotto this year
53:00 <Tigger_> I've noticed Netbank has an option to export to Excel, I've never used it though
53:00 <ajnin> yea.. i export to CSV
53:00 <ajnin> fuck formatting
53:00 <ajnin> ill do that shit
53:00 <ajnin> now I want to do some yearly trends
53:00 <Tigger_> spend the $1,100 on something you actually like rather than lotto
53:15 <ajnin> spent 1100 on lotto this year
53:15 <Tigger_> I've noticed Netbank has an option to export to Excel, I've never used it though
53:26 <ajnin> yea.. i export to CSV
53:29 <ajnin> fuck formatting
53:32 <ajnin> ill do that shit
53:42 <ajnin> now I want to do some yearly trends
53:57 <Tigger_> spend the $1,100 on something you actually like rather than lotto
54:00 <ajnin> i like to gambel
54:00 <ajnin> haha
54:00 <ajnin> just need to win once
54:00 <ajnin> $865.80
54:00 <ajnin> $866.50
54:00 <ajnin> $796.06
54:00 <ajnin> $789.72
54:00 <ajnin> $963.02
54:00 <ajnin> $1,066.15
54:00 <ajnin> $1,115.10
54:00 <ajnin> $1,116.80
54:00 <ajnin> thats my yearly internet bill
54:46 <ajnin> i like to gambel
54:47 <ajnin> haha
54:51 <ajnin> just need to win once
54:52 <ajnin> $865.80
54:52 <ajnin> $866.50
54:52 <ajnin> $796.06
54:52 <ajnin> $789.72
54:52 <ajnin> $963.02
54:52 <ajnin> $1,066.15
54:52 <ajnin> $1,115.10
54:52 <ajnin> $1,116.80
54:58 <ajnin> thats my yearly internet bill
55:00 <Abortion> That would be a pretty good application. The mars rover is remote controlled after all
55:00 <ajnin> 2009 had a nice drop
55:00 <ajnin> then slowly keeps going up
55:00 <ajnin> cunts
55:00 <ajnin> I need to get on a new plan when I get back
55:00 <Tigger_> I have my own version of lotto, some comics I buy suddenly shoot up in price by a factor of 10 or more, though I don't know which ones will do that
55:00 <ajnin> $1,453.20
55:00 <ajnin> $1,512.00
55:00 <ajnin> $1,247.40
55:00 <ajnin> $1,312.10
55:00 <ajnin> $1,398.80
55:00 <ajnin> $1,492.20
55:00 <ajnin> $1,617.90
55:00 <ajnin> $1,731.60
55:00 <Tigger_> what's that?
55:12 <ajnin> 2009 had a nice drop
55:20 <ajnin> then slowly keeps going up
55:24 <ajnin> cunts
55:31 <ajnin> I need to get on a new plan when I get back
55:39 <Tigger_> I have my own version of lotto, some comics I buy suddenly shoot up in price by a factor of 10 or more, though I don't know which ones will do that
55:48 <ajnin> $1,453.20
55:48 <ajnin> $1,512.00
55:49 <ajnin> $1,247.40
55:49 <ajnin> $1,312.10
55:49 <ajnin> $1,398.80
55:49 <ajnin> $1,492.20
55:49 <ajnin> $1,617.90
55:49 <ajnin> $1,731.60
55:57 <Tigger_> what's that?
56:00 <Abortion> However, would that really need a full blown human AI?
56:00 <Abortion> If you have an idea of what is interesting, you could probably specialise that anyway
56:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ thats true... but it is very unliky that one will go up to 10 million :)
56:00 <ajnin> thats provate health
56:00 <Tigger_> my annual internet bill is $1,320
56:00 <ajnin> just net or is that a package ?
56:00 <Tigger_> naked DSL, includes voip phone
56:08 <ajnin> Tigger_ thats true... but it is very unliky that one will go up to 10 million :)
56:14 <ajnin> thats provate health
56:23 <Tigger_> my annual internet bill is $1,320
56:36 <ajnin> just net or is that a package ?
56:57 <Tigger_> naked DSL, includes voip phone
57:00 <Tigger_> when they send a probe down into the oceans of Europa, everything could be a surprise
57:00 <Abortion> I reckon they could have written an AI to do that, but I guess your point of Moore's law comes to the fore here, because power consumption is a big concern
57:00 <Tigger_> my view of health insurance: unless you have some expensive condition, just put the money in a savings account and don't touch it
57:33 <Tigger_> my view of health insurance: unless you have some expensive condition, just put the money in a savings account and don't touch it
58:00 <Tigger_> such as to know if an unusual structure is likely geological or artificial
58:00 <Abortion> thats specific enough to specialise
59:00 <Tigger_> humans have been fooled before, like that underwater 'city' off the coast of Japan
59:00 <Abortion> Geological modelling, anything not fitting the model would be interesting
01:00 <Abortion> So much science is now using modeling for hypothesis testing these days as it is
01:00 <Abortion> well, in chemistry and physics anyway
01:00 <Abortion> bio is using lots of it, but the models are still being formed
04:00 <Abortion> Sociological modelling is a thing too I think, but its not using general purpose AI principles
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05:00 <Abortion> I know a guy who works at the DSTO who does modelling for setting up settlements and infrastructure
05:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ I used to this that
05:00 <ajnin> but I have changed my mind
05:00 <ajnin> i like it and hate it
05:00 <ajnin> its fucked
05:00 <ajnin> anyways
05:00 <ajnin> I got to run
05:00 <ajnin> cay
05:00 <Tigger_> how come?
05:00 <Tigger_> bye
05:35 <ajnin> Tigger_ I used to this that
05:40 <ajnin> but I have changed my mind
05:45 <ajnin> i like it and hate it
05:49 <ajnin> its fucked
05:50 <ajnin> anyways
05:52 <ajnin> I got to run
05:53 <ajnin> cay
05:53 <Tigger_> how come?
05:56 <Tigger_> bye
06:00 <Abortion> To try and placate civilians in war torn areas so they don't immediately turn on the west because we abandoned them
06:00 <Abortion> As you've probably heard, the Taliban et al involves themselves in local council matters to get the population on side
06:00 <Tigger_> what sort of factors are considered?
06:00 <Tigger_> yes, the Maoist strategy of collecting the garbage
07:00 <Abortion> My guess would be to model people as having a set of needs, which is not computationally expensive, and model their movement
07:00 <Abortion> minimising the time to satisfy those needs
08:00 <Abortion> Logistics modelling, I guess
10:00 <Tigger_> I imagine the army has studied this sort of thing internally for a long time when they have to set up a base somewhere
00:00 <ajnin> back
00:32 <ajnin> back
14:00 <Ethanol> the television series Supernatural is STILL going
14:30 <Ethanol> the television series Supernatural is STILL going
17:00 <Ethanol> although it's moved on from its humble beginnings where two unemployed brothers saved blond hotties from haunted houses
17:15 <Ethanol> although it's moved on from its humble beginnings where two unemployed brothers saved blond hotties from haunted houses
18:00 <Ethanol> it's now a soap opera between two factions representing God and the Devil
18:00 <Ozone> boring
18:07 <Ethanol> it's now a soap opera between two factions representing God and the Devil
18:41 <Ozone> boring
19:00 <Ethanol> I* agree
19:21 <Ethanol> I* agree
29:00 <Ethanol> I learnt a new term today: "mummy tractor"
29:48 <Ethanol> I learnt a new term today: "mummy tractor"
30:00 <Ozone> what is that?
30:15 <Ozone> what is that?
31:00 <Ethanol> a 4WD that is used exclusively to drive the little preciouses to school (no further than 500m from home)
31:00 <Ozone> hahahaha
31:21 <Ethanol> a 4WD that is used exclusively to drive the little preciouses to school (no further than 500m from home)
31:51 <Ozone> hahahaha
32:00 <Ozone> down here we call them toorak tractors (wealthy suburb)
32:59 <Ozone> down here we call them toorak tractors (wealthy suburb)
34:00 <Ethanol> I must admit I feel like a povo for being one of the few parents at my kids' school who doesn't own a 4WD
34:00 <Ethanol> or BMW
34:24 <Ethanol> I must admit I feel like a povo for being one of the few parents at my kids' school who doesn't own a 4WD
34:49 <Ethanol> or BMW
35:00 <Ozone> hahah
35:00 <Ozone> hahah
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31:00 <ajnin> anotherirc3r!!!!!!!!!
31:00 <anotherirc3r> ajnin!!!!!!! :)
31:13 <ajnin> anotherirc3r!!!!!!!!!
31:25 <anotherirc3r> ajnin!!!!!!! :)
32:00 <ajnin> http://www.prahranmarket.com.au/events-activities/category/1/events
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32:00 <ajnin> how the fuck did I just find out today
32:00 <ajnin> and now its to late for me to go
32:00 <ajnin> cause I got other plans
32:36 <ajnin> http://www.prahranmarket.com.au/events-activities/category/1/events
32:42 <progressive> [ Events - Events - Prahran Market ] - www.prahranmarket.com.au
32:42 <ajnin> how the fuck did I just find out today
32:49 <ajnin> and now its to late for me to go
32:52 <ajnin> cause I got other plans
33:00 <anotherirc3r> omg
33:00 <ajnin> no shit
33:39 <anotherirc3r> omg
33:45 <ajnin> no shit
34:00 <ajnin> do you live on that side of town ?
34:00 <anotherirc3r> i used to :/
34:09 <ajnin> do you live on that side of town ?
34:14 <anotherirc3r> i used to :/
35:00 <ajnin> ahhhhhhh
35:00 <ajnin> west side to east side ?
35:00 <ajnin> or east side to west side
35:06 <ajnin> ahhhhhhh
35:16 <ajnin> west side to east side ?
35:29 <ajnin> or east side to west side
36:00 <anotherirc3r> inner east to outer east
36:00 <ajnin> I rep the west!!
36:00 <ajnin> west side!!
36:00 <ajnin> whats outer east ?
36:00 <ajnin> franston ?
36:00 <ajnin> seaford ?
36:11 <anotherirc3r> inner east to outer east
36:28 <ajnin> I rep the west!!
36:32 <ajnin> west side!!
36:36 <ajnin> whats outer east ?
36:41 <ajnin> franston ?
36:48 <ajnin> seaford ?
37:00 <anotherirc3r> umm
37:47 <anotherirc3r> umm
46:00 <shugenja_> i bump in blue! =)
46:38 <shugenja_> i bump in blue! =)
47:00 <shugenja_> which means i'm crip
47:55 <shugenja_> which means i'm crip
48:00 <shugenja_> and i holds my grip
48:00 <anotherirc3r> okay..
48:08 <shugenja_> and i holds my grip
48:53 <anotherirc3r> okay..
58:00 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/gallery/y7X0q
58:00 <progressive> [ Love Hurts - Imgur ] - imgur.com
58:32 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/gallery/y7X0q
58:33 <progressive> [ Love Hurts - Imgur ] - imgur.com
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39:00 <Tigger_> <Ethanol> a 4WD that is used exclusively to drive the little preciouses to school (no further than 500m from home)
39:38 <Tigger_> <Ethanol> a 4WD that is used exclusively to drive the little preciouses to school (no further than 500m from home)
40:00 <Tigger_> why are kids being driven to school and back these days?  
40:00 <Tigger_> what happened to walking, bike, and bus?
40:02 <Tigger_> why are kids being driven to school and back these days?
40:42 <Tigger_> what happened to walking, bike, and bus?
44:00 <shugenja_> or train
44:00 <shugenja_> idk Tigz..
44:00 <Tigger_> or train
44:00 <shugenja_> i'm a simple man..
44:37 <shugenja_> or train
44:41 <shugenja_> idk Tigz..
44:44 <Tigger_> or train
44:46 <shugenja_> i'm a simple man..
45:00 <shugenja_> how's the comic collection going?
45:00 <Tigger_> it must be another iteration of helicopter parenting
45:27 <shugenja_> how's the comic collection going?
45:29 <Tigger_> it must be another iteration of helicopter parenting
46:00 <Tigger_> slow and steady
46:00 <shugenja_> what are your favourite titles?
46:14 <Tigger_> slow and steady
46:47 <shugenja_> what are your favourite titles?
47:00 <Tigger_> Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse
47:00 <shugenja_> wow, ok...
47:00 <Tigger_> why wow?
47:00 <shugenja_> well, i'm more of a superhero collector, myself
47:02 <Tigger_> Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse
47:11 <shugenja_> wow, ok...
47:20 <Tigger_> why wow?
47:41 <shugenja_> well, i'm more of a superhero collector, myself
48:00 <Tigger_> I see
48:33 <Tigger_> I see
49:00 <Tigger_> after Donald and Mickey, my next favourite are the EC horror and SF comics
49:02 <Tigger_> after Donald and Mickey, my next favourite are the EC horror and SF comics
51:00 <Tigger_> two series I've been getting: http://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disneys-Donald-Duck-Andes/dp/1606994743/
51:00 <progressive> [ Amazon.com: Walt Disney's Donald Duck: Lost in the Andes (9781606994740): Carl Barks: Books ] - www.amazon.com
51:00 <Tigger_> http://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disneys-Mickey-Mouse-Collectors/dp/1606994964/
51:00 <progressive> [ Amazon.com: Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse Collector's Box Set (Vol. 1-2) (Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse) (9781606994962): Floyd Gottfredson, David Gerstein, Gary Groth: Books ] - www.amazon.com
51:25 <Tigger_> two series I've been getting: http://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disneys-Donald-Duck-Andes/dp/1606994743/
51:26 <progressive> [ Amazon.com: Walt Disney's Donald Duck: Lost in the Andes (9781606994740): Carl Barks: Books ] - www.amazon.com
51:49 <Tigger_> http://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disneys-Mickey-Mouse-Collectors/dp/1606994964/
51:50 <progressive> [ Amazon.com: Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse Collector's Box Set (Vol. 1-2) (Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse) (9781606994962): Floyd Gottfredson, David Gerstein, Gary Groth: Books ] - www.amazon.com
54:00 <Tigger_> and one of the EC reprints:  http://www.amazon.com/The-EC-Archives-Fantasy-Volume/dp/161655293X/
54:00 <progressive> [ The EC Archives: Weird Fantasy Volume 1: Al Feldstein, Walt Simonson: 9781616552930: Amazon.com: Books ] - www.amazon.com
54:00 <Tigger_> so which superheroes?
54:00 <shugenja_> numerous
54:34 <Tigger_> and one of the EC reprints: http://www.amazon.com/The-EC-Archives-Fantasy-Volume/dp/161655293X/
54:35 <progressive> [ The EC Archives: Weird Fantasy Volume 1: Al Feldstein, Walt Simonson: 9781616552930: Amazon.com: Books ] - www.amazon.com
54:40 <Tigger_> so which superheroes?
54:53 <shugenja_> numerous
55:00 <shugenja_> marvel/dc/vertigo/impact/top cow/image
55:00 <Tigger_> must be expensive to keep up with all those
55:20 <shugenja_> marvel/dc/vertigo/impact/top cow/image
55:39 <Tigger_> must be expensive to keep up with all those
56:00 <shugenja_> well, i don't re-sell them like some cold blooded mercenry
56:00 <shugenja_> =)
56:00 <shugenja_> mercenary*
56:00 <shugenja_> it all started when i had a fight with my older sister
56:12 <shugenja_> well, i don't re-sell them like some cold blooded mercenry
56:14 <shugenja_> =)
56:26 <shugenja_> mercenary*
56:51 <shugenja_> it all started when i had a fight with my older sister
57:00 <shugenja_> she came home from a healing walk with dad
57:00 <Tigger_> explain
57:00 <shugenja_> and gave me a Batman comic as a peace offering
57:03 <shugenja_> she came home from a healing walk with dad
57:10 <Tigger_> explain
57:17 <shugenja_> and gave me a Batman comic as a peace offering
58:00 <shugenja_> it was when Batman was replaced by the armoured Azbats
58:00 <Tigger_> Azbats?
58:00 <shugenja_> who lter got his own title as "Azrael".
58:00 <shugenja_> later*
58:00 <Tigger_> ah
58:00 <shugenja_> i have all of azrael for instance
58:01 <shugenja_> it was when Batman was replaced by the armoured Azbats
58:16 <Tigger_> Azbats?
58:20 <shugenja_> who lter got his own title as "Azrael".
58:24 <shugenja_> later*
58:27 <Tigger_> ah
58:39 <shugenja_> i have all of azrael for instance
59:00 <Tigger_> you must have a pretty big collection
59:52 <Tigger_> you must have a pretty big collection
00:00 <shugenja_> i have complete volumes of many titles, in fact
00:00 <Tigger_> have you ever counted them all?
00:00 <shugenja_> oh dear, no
00:00 <Tigger_> how many would you estimate?
00:02 <shugenja_> i have complete volumes of many titles, in fact
00:21 <Tigger_> have you ever counted them all?
00:33 <shugenja_> oh dear, no
00:47 <Tigger_> how many would you estimate?
01:00 <shugenja_> the amount one imagines of a certain title is substantially less
01:46 <shugenja_> the amount one imagines of a certain title is substantially less
02:00 <shugenja_> tat is to say, its less than expected
02:00 <Tigger_> one thing I've noticed a bit of is many people are DC only, or Marvel only.  and never cross over, I assume it's because it would be too expensive to keep up with both
02:00 <shugenja_> that*
02:00 <shugenja_> no...
02:00 <shugenja_> they are simply n00bs
02:00 <shugenja_> let me tell you something...
02:11 <shugenja_> tat is to say, its less than expected
02:15 <Tigger_> one thing I've noticed a bit of is many people are DC only, or Marvel only. and never cross over, I assume it's because it would be too expensive to keep up with both
02:15 <shugenja_> that*
02:30 <shugenja_> no...
02:37 <shugenja_> they are simply n00bs
02:57 <shugenja_> let me tell you something...
03:00 <shugenja_> DC was my original inclination
03:00 <shugenja_> marvel later won me over
03:00 <shugenja_> as it did my brother
03:00 <shugenja_> however. the difference is clear between both publishers.
03:14 <shugenja_> DC was my original inclination
03:22 <shugenja_> marvel later won me over
03:28 <shugenja_> as it did my brother
03:59 <shugenja_> however. the difference is clear between both publishers.
04:00 <Tigger_> what are the differences?
04:00 <shugenja_> i would say that DC is more about morality. also, it's about tactics on a small scale. 
04:22 <Tigger_> what are the differences?
04:42 <shugenja_> i would say that DC is more about morality. also, it's about tactics on a small scale.
05:00 <shugenja_> the samurai, musashi, for instance said, "the small things have huge results."
05:20 <shugenja_> the samurai, musashi, for instance said, "the small things have huge results."
06:00 <shugenja_> marvel is more grand scale. nebulous concepts of "what could be."
06:00 <Tigger_> I see
06:00 <shugenja_> true to it's name - "marvellous"
06:00 <shugenja_> flair
06:00 <Tigger_> don't they have about 100 monthly titles each?
06:04 <shugenja_> marvel is more grand scale. nebulous concepts of "what could be."
06:15 <Tigger_> I see
06:20 <shugenja_> true to it's name - "marvellous"
06:28 <shugenja_> flair
06:34 <Tigger_> don't they have about 100 monthly titles each?
07:00 <shugenja_> yes
07:00 <shugenja_> also, they're more realistic in the sense that with the X-Men, for example, they not only have super powers, they tote gugns.
07:00 <shugenja_> guns*
07:08 <shugenja_> yes
07:53 <shugenja_> also, they're more realistic in the sense that with the X-Men, for example, they not only have super powers, they tote gugns.
07:59 <shugenja_> guns*
08:00 <shugenja_> it's more brutal with less finesse
08:00 <shugenja_> than DC
08:14 <shugenja_> it's more brutal with less finesse
08:21 <shugenja_> than DC
10:00 <shugenja_> recently... Marvel incorporated bad language
10:00 <Tigger_> that's no good
10:00 <shugenja_> albeit !@$!$ed out
10:00 <Tigger_> ah ok
10:05 <shugenja_> recently... Marvel incorporated bad language
10:15 <Tigger_> that's no good
10:22 <shugenja_> albeit !@$!$ed out
10:28 <Tigger_> ah ok
11:00 <shugenja_> i went to church with an artist for both DC/Marvel
11:00 <shugenja_> he offered me Punisher #1, i declined
11:00 <Tigger_> occasionally I've downloaded a Marvel or DC title, but I've been put off by the way they are now using photoshop effects in the colouring, such as creating a shallow DOF type lens effect and so on
11:00 <Tigger_> how much was he asking?
11:17 <shugenja_> i went to church with an artist for both DC/Marvel
11:42 <shugenja_> he offered me Punisher #1, i declined
11:46 <Tigger_> occasionally I've downloaded a Marvel or DC title, but I've been put off by the way they are now using photoshop effects in the colouring, such as creating a shallow DOF type lens effect and so on
11:57 <Tigger_> how much was he asking?
12:00 <shugenja_> i fell out with the church and he offered it to me if i would return
12:00 <shugenja_> free
12:00 <Tigger_> wow
12:00 <Tigger_> that was very nice of him
12:25 <shugenja_> i fell out with the church and he offered it to me if i would return
12:31 <shugenja_> free
12:34 <Tigger_> wow
12:49 <Tigger_> that was very nice of him
13:00 <shugenja_> yes, it was
13:00 <Tigger_> what was your issue with the church?
13:00 <shugenja_> i also live around the corner from a Disney animator
13:00 <shugenja_> friends with his son
13:00 <shugenja_> well...
13:03 <shugenja_> yes, it was
13:31 <Tigger_> what was your issue with the church?
13:41 <shugenja_> i also live around the corner from a Disney animator
13:46 <shugenja_> friends with his son
13:51 <shugenja_> well...
14:00 <shugenja_> the church was like a real family
14:00 <shugenja_> always welcoming me no matter what
14:00 <shugenja_> a bit of it was about a girl
14:05 <shugenja_> the church was like a real family
14:26 <shugenja_> always welcoming me no matter what
14:42 <shugenja_> a bit of it was about a girl
15:00 <shugenja_> but generally, not the best type of church for me.
15:00 <shugenja_> i'm a recent convert to Baptist
15:00 <Tigger_> but not a theological issue?
15:00 <shugenja_> formerly Presbyterian
15:00 <shugenja_> the church i left
15:00 <shugenja_> pressies
15:09 <shugenja_> but generally, not the best type of church for me.
15:22 <shugenja_> i'm a recent convert to Baptist
15:30 <Tigger_> but not a theological issue?
15:37 <shugenja_> formerly Presbyterian
15:45 <shugenja_> the church i left
15:51 <shugenja_> pressies
16:00 <shugenja_> not a theological issue, just a simpler more stronger centrality
16:00 <shugenja_> no frills
16:16 <shugenja_> not a theological issue, just a simpler more stronger centrality
16:22 <shugenja_> no frills
17:00 <shugenja_> i know all abougt the core doctrines and structures of the mainline denoms'that matter
17:00 <Tigger_> ok
17:00 <Tigger_> did the Punisher guy ever show you his full collection?
17:19 <shugenja_> i know all abougt the core doctrines and structures of the mainline denoms'that matter
17:30 <Tigger_> ok
17:56 <Tigger_> did the Punisher guy ever show you his full collection?
18:00 <shugenja_> Pressies sort of "soften up" the believer
18:00 <Tigger_> soften up in what way?
18:00 <shugenja_> well, spiritually, mentally
18:20 <shugenja_> Pressies sort of "soften up" the believer
18:30 <Tigger_> soften up in what way?
18:40 <shugenja_> well, spiritually, mentally
19:00 <shugenja_> Presbyterians make one able to endure the fire, the crucible, of life
19:00 <shugenja_> and death
19:00 <shugenja_> scratch that
19:00 <Tigger_> that sounds more like harden up
19:21 <shugenja_> Presbyterians make one able to endure the fire, the crucible, of life
19:25 <shugenja_> and death
19:35 <shugenja_> scratch that
19:53 <Tigger_> that sounds more like harden up
20:00 <shugenja_> Baptists make one able to endure the fire, the crucible, of life 4<<<fixed
20:02 <shugenja_> Baptists make one able to endure the fire, the crucible, of life <<<fixed
21:00 <Tigger_> ah
21:00 <Tigger_> I have noticed Presbyterian churches in the news as getting more liberal, following the same suicide pact that the Anglicans have
21:13 <Tigger_> ah
21:57 <Tigger_> I have noticed Presbyterian churches in the news as getting more liberal, following the same suicide pact that the Anglicans have
22:00 <shugenja_> more moderate, to be exact
22:00 <shugenja_> conservative on things like worship style
22:00 <shugenja_> (Presbyterians)
22:00 <shugenja_> "suicide pact"? please explain
22:10 <shugenja_> more moderate, to be exact
22:28 <shugenja_> conservative on things like worship style
22:38 <shugenja_> (Presbyterians)
22:55 <shugenja_> "suicide pact"? please explain
23:00 <Tigger_> that as a church becomes more leftwing, the congregations diminish in size, until the church is no longer sustainable at all
23:00 <Tigger_> the Uniting Church is Australia's prime example of this
23:00 <shugenja_> not in my experience!
23:35 <Tigger_> that as a church becomes more leftwing, the congregations diminish in size, until the church is no longer sustainable at all
23:56 <Tigger_> the Uniting Church is Australia's prime example of this
23:59 <shugenja_> not in my experience!
24:00 <Tigger_> in the US, the Episcopal Church (Anglican) has essentially abolished itself
24:00 <shugenja_> niting/pentecostal was my next subject of choice to discuss
24:00 <shugenja_> uniting8
24:00 <shugenja_> *
24:29 <Tigger_> in the US, the Episcopal Church (Anglican) has essentially abolished itself
24:40 <shugenja_> niting/pentecostal was my next subject of choice to discuss
24:45 <shugenja_> uniting8
24:47 <shugenja_> *
25:00 <shugenja_> that latter point you make i agree with
25:00 <shugenja_> uniting/pentecostals, have drifted into the Pressies
25:13 <shugenja_> that latter point you make i agree with
25:45 <shugenja_> uniting/pentecostals, have drifted into the Pressies
26:00 <shugenja_> with their eroded worldly values
26:00 <shugenja_> lifted up, due to their charisma, good manners, good looks
26:00 <Tigger_> the earlier generation of Social Justice Warriors, they create nothing, but infiltrate a healthy organisation and slowly kill it
26:00 <shugenja_> but pentes/uniters are what the Bible calls "a strange fire"
26:01 <shugenja_> with their eroded worldly values
26:34 <shugenja_> lifted up, due to their charisma, good manners, good looks
26:54 <Tigger_> the earlier generation of Social Justice Warriors, they create nothing, but infiltrate a healthy organisation and slowly kill it
26:58 <shugenja_> but pentes/uniters are what the Bible calls "a strange fire"
27:00 <shugenja_> i was recommended to a local anglican by a brother from pressies
27:00 <shugenja_> while they may have their place, for me it was extremely short lived
27:31 <shugenja_> i was recommended to a local anglican by a brother from pressies
27:59 <shugenja_> while they may have their place, for me it was extremely short lived
28:00 <shugenja_> 9Anglicans)
28:00 <shugenja_> what matters to me is when things inthe Bible are not ignored
28:00 <Tigger_> well the Anglicans can go in either direction
28:00 <shugenja_> yes, that's right
28:07 <shugenja_> 9Anglicans)
28:51 <shugenja_> what matters to me is when things inthe Bible are not ignored
28:51 <Tigger_> well the Anglicans can go in either direction
28:59 <shugenja_> yes, that's right
29:00 <shugenja_> they can
29:00 <Tigger_> I was speaking of the more liberal worldly Anglicans before
29:02 <shugenja_> they can
29:23 <Tigger_> I was speaking of the more liberal worldly Anglicans before
30:00 <shugenja_> yes, i note that
30:42 <shugenja_> yes, i note that
31:00 <shugenja_> it was too greasy grace for me
31:00 <shugenja_> also, legalistic in a way
31:00 <shugenja_> more relaxed but vain in fellowship
31:02 <shugenja_> it was too greasy grace for me
31:34 <shugenja_> also, legalistic in a way
31:52 <shugenja_> more relaxed but vain in fellowship
32:00 <Tigger_> what is an example of vain in fellowship?
32:00 <shugenja_> small talk, bordring on folly
32:00 <shugenja_> bordering*
32:00 <shugenja_> shallow
32:16 <Tigger_> what is an example of vain in fellowship?
32:33 <shugenja_> small talk, bordring on folly
32:38 <shugenja_> bordering*
32:46 <shugenja_> shallow
33:00 <shugenja_> are you cognizant of any figureheads of Chistianity?
33:00 <Tigger_> I'm not sure, of whom do you speak?
33:00 <shugenja_> Paul Washer?
33:00 <Tigger_> no I don't know him
33:27 <shugenja_> are you cognizant of any figureheads of Chistianity?
33:49 <Tigger_> I'm not sure, of whom do you speak?
33:51 <shugenja_> Paul Washer?
33:57 <Tigger_> no I don't know him
34:00 <shugenja_> Timothy Keller?
34:00 <shugenja_> Ray Comfort?
34:00 <shugenja_> Kirk Cameron?
34:00 <Tigger_> I know of Ray Comfort as he's on youtube, and debates Thunderf00t
34:05 <shugenja_> Timothy Keller?
34:26 <shugenja_> Ray Comfort?
34:48 <shugenja_> Kirk Cameron?
34:54 <Tigger_> I know of Ray Comfort as he's on youtube, and debates Thunderf00t
35:00 <Tigger_> and yes, know of Kirk Cameron, but haven't followed anything he says or does
35:00 <shugenja_> i did their way of the master course
35:26 <Tigger_> and yes, know of Kirk Cameron, but haven't followed anything he says or does
35:48 <shugenja_> i did their way of the master course
37:00 <shugenja_> false advertising imo
37:00 <shugenja_> i expected spiritual gifts
37:00 <Tigger_> I don't know what that is
37:00 <shugenja_> it's just an e-learning carriculm
37:00 <shugenja_> carriculum
37:04 <shugenja_> false advertising imo
37:14 <shugenja_> i expected spiritual gifts
37:14 <Tigger_> I don't know what that is
37:44 <shugenja_> it's just an e-learning carriculm
37:59 <shugenja_> carriculum
38:00 <shugenja_> (sp?)
38:00 <Tigger_> was it free?
38:00 <shugenja_> no, about 3-4 hundred. "Evidence Bible" received upon graduation
38:06 <shugenja_> (sp?)
38:22 <Tigger_> was it free?
38:54 <shugenja_> no, about 3-4 hundred. "Evidence Bible" received upon graduation
39:00 <Tigger_> I see
39:00 <shugenja_> sorry or any deterioration in my chat i found it all disturbing.
39:00 <shugenja_> or/for
39:03 <Tigger_> I see
39:30 <shugenja_> sorry or any deterioration in my chat i found it all disturbing.
39:34 <shugenja_> or/for
40:00 <Tigger_> I don't really have much experience of this side of things
40:11 <Tigger_> I don't really have much experience of this side of things
42:00 <shugenja_> John Piper? heard of him/
42:00 <shugenja_> ?
42:00 <Tigger_> no, don't know of him
42:32 <shugenja_> John Piper? heard of him/
42:33 <shugenja_> ?
42:39 <Tigger_> no, don't know of him
43:00 <shugenja_> steer clear of all of the ones i mentioned except: 1. Paul Washer (but even he hasn't got the full picture, Biblically speaking, or even naturalistically) and 2. Tim Keller
43:51 <shugenja_> steer clear of all of the ones i mentioned except: 1. Paul Washer (but even he hasn't got the full picture, Biblically speaking, or even naturalistically) and 2. Tim Keller
44:00 <shugenja_> Tim is considered the "thinking mans'" theologian, who has  weird knack for keeping it simple despite that title
44:48 <shugenja_> Tim is considered the "thinking mans'" theologian, who has weird knack for keeping it simple despite that title
46:00 <shugenja_> do you have Facebook, Tigger?
46:00 <Tigger_> no
46:00 <shugenja_> well, Tim's on Facebook
46:00 <Tigger_> I refuse to ever be on facebook
46:11 <shugenja_> do you have Facebook, Tigger?
46:14 <Tigger_> no
46:26 <shugenja_> well, Tim's on Facebook
46:29 <Tigger_> I refuse to ever be on facebook
47:00 <shugenja_> well, i've been burned from FB already.
47:00 <shugenja_> stalkers irl from a fed
47:00 <shugenja_> feud
47:19 <shugenja_> well, i've been burned from FB already.
47:29 <shugenja_> stalkers irl from a fed
47:34 <shugenja_> feud
48:00 <Tigger_> it's a great stalking tool
48:00 <shugenja_> i hay my year-long stint on it with my school peers
48:00 <shugenja_> hay/had*
48:00 <shugenja_> now just new friends, cureent friends
48:02 <Tigger_> it's a great stalking tool
48:36 <shugenja_> i hay my year-long stint on it with my school peers
48:41 <shugenja_> hay/had*
48:57 <shugenja_> now just new friends, cureent friends
49:00 <shugenja_> "new wine, new wine-skins'
49:00 <shugenja_> much more livelier
49:00 <shugenja_> no sulking silent passive aggression
49:17 <shugenja_> "new wine, new wine-skins'
49:30 <shugenja_> much more livelier
50:00 <shugenja_> no sulking silent passive aggression
50:00 <Tigger_> the main use for facebook is seeing which people you know chose to do the gay rainbow filter for their profile awhile back
50:45 <Tigger_> the main use for facebook is seeing which people you know chose to do the gay rainbow filter for their profile awhile back
51:00 <shugenja_> i did red white and blue
51:00 <Tigger_> does that have a meaning?
51:00 <shugenja_> or another variation; red with a pink central cross
51:06 <shugenja_> i did red white and blue
51:20 <Tigger_> does that have a meaning?
51:33 <shugenja_> or another variation; red with a pink central cross
52:00 <shugenja_> yes, the meaning is "RAWR AMERICA/Australia"
52:00 <shugenja_> i'v recoverd from that error
52:21 <shugenja_> yes, the meaning is "RAWR AMERICA/Australia"
52:42 <shugenja_> i'v recoverd from that error
53:00 <shugenja_> patriotism really is the last refuge of the scoundrel
53:00 <Tigger_> that was Samuel Johnson's description of the American revolutionaries, it's rather misapplied in the modern era
53:14 <shugenja_> patriotism really is the last refuge of the scoundrel
53:59 <Tigger_> that was Samuel Johnson's description of the American revolutionaries, it's rather misapplied in the modern era
54:00 <shugenja_> christianity is a chipping away of all that is false and unnecessary - patriotism/nationalism included
54:00 <Tigger_> what does RAWR mean?
54:00 <shugenja_> Roar
54:43 <shugenja_> christianity is a chipping away of all that is false and unnecessary - patriotism/nationalism included
54:46 <Tigger_> what does RAWR mean?
54:52 <shugenja_> Roar
55:00 <Tigger_> ok
55:27 <Tigger_> ok
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56:00 <Tigger_> hi cherri_pie 
56:00 <cherri_pie> hey tigger wassup
56:00 <cherri_pie> whats stebie and the stink doing in here
56:32 <Tigger_> hi cherri_pie
56:45 <cherri_pie> hey tigger wassup
57:00 <cherri_pie> whats stebie and the stink doing in here
57:00 <Tigger_> nothing, but going to make a pizza very soon
57:00 <cherri_pie> good idea
57:06 <Tigger_> nothing, but going to make a pizza very soon
57:12 <cherri_pie> good idea
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45:00 <Ozone> anotherirc3r
45:17 <Ozone> anotherirc3r
46:00 <anotherirc3r> Ozone!
46:56 <anotherirc3r> Ozone!
49:00 <ajnin> well my night just turned to shit
49:00 <ajnin> I was out visiting
49:00 <ajnin> and then work called
49:07 <ajnin> well my night just turned to shit
49:12 <ajnin> I was out visiting
49:16 <ajnin> and then work called
53:00 <Ozone> whats up
53:56 <Ozone> whats up
54:00 <anotherirc3r> not much really, yourself?
54:23 <anotherirc3r> not much really, yourself?
55:00 <Ozone> same old
55:56 <Ozone> same old
01:00 <circle> shugenja_: nationalism is better than religion
01:17 <circle> shugenja_: nationalism is better than religion
03:00 <Tigger_> there need be no division between patriotism and religion
03:57 <Tigger_> there need be no division between patriotism and religion
04:00 <Tigger_> traditionally Protestant and Orthodox churches were defined by nationality/ethnicity, such as Church of England, Church of Sweden, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.
04:48 <Tigger_> traditionally Protestant and Orthodox churches were defined by nationality/ethnicity, such as Church of England, Church of Sweden, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.
05:00 <Tigger_> even in the US, white Baptists went to white Baptist churches, and blacks went to black Baptist churches, and so on
05:00 <Tigger_> it is only Catholicism where it's all a diversity rainbow
05:00 <ajnin> which is good
05:17 <Tigger_> even in the US, white Baptists went to white Baptist churches, and blacks went to black Baptist churches, and so on
05:44 <Tigger_> it is only Catholicism where it's all a diversity rainbow
06:01 <ajnin> which is good
07:00 <Tigger_> oh actually the Mormons have gone pedal to the metal to have their diversity rainbow too, after more than a century of being Anglo/Scandinavian
07:00 <Tigger_> Salt Lake City now has Pacific Islander gang wars
07:00 <Ozone> lol
07:30 <Tigger_> oh actually the Mormons have gone pedal to the metal to have their diversity rainbow too, after more than a century of being Anglo/Scandinavian
07:46 <Tigger_> Salt Lake City now has Pacific Islander gang wars
07:52 <Ozone> lol
08:00 <Tigger_> I lolled too, it's the last thing I expected
08:54 <Tigger_> I lolled too, it's the last thing I expected
12:00 <shugenja_> Mormon headquarters
12:00 <shugenja_> (i learned that from a Spiderman comic)
12:00 <Tigger_> Attracted by the Mormon church, whose missionaries were active in the Pacific Islands for years, many Tongans first immigrated to Southern California, then moved to Utah in part to escape the gang influence.
12:00 <Tigger_> But, Stallworth said, "A natural consequence of that move was the transfer of the gang culture.''
12:00 <Tigger_> Ever since, authorities have been engaged in a constant struggle to contain the TCG as well as an array of 30 other gangs across Utah, according to the Justice Department's National Gang Threat Assessment.
12:00 <Tigger_> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/26/tonga-crips-gang-utah/9463661/
12:00 <progressive> [ Crips in Utah: Gang culture invades an unlikely turf ] - www.usatoday.com
12:00 <shugenja_> Salt Lake
12:13 <shugenja_> Mormon headquarters
12:22 <shugenja_> (i learned that from a Spiderman comic)
12:23 <Tigger_> Attracted by the Mormon church, whose missionaries were active in the Pacific Islands for years, many Tongans first immigrated to Southern California, then moved to Utah in part to escape the gang influence.
12:23 <Tigger_> But, Stallworth said, "A natural consequence of that move was the transfer of the gang culture.''
12:23 <Tigger_> Ever since, authorities have been engaged in a constant struggle to contain the TCG as well as an array of 30 other gangs across Utah, according to the Justice Department's National Gang Threat Assessment.
12:31 <Tigger_> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/26/tonga-crips-gang-utah/9463661/
12:34 <progressive> [ Crips in Utah: Gang culture invades an unlikely turf ] - www.usatoday.com
12:48 <shugenja_> Salt Lake
14:00 <Tigger_> not that the Mormon elders care about their homeland becoming infested by crime, like the Pope all they care about is getting the numbers up, the average white Mormon can just suffer
14:16 <Tigger_> not that the Mormon elders care about their homeland becoming infested by crime, like the Pope all they care about is getting the numbers up, the average white Mormon can just suffer
16:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ did you meet the pope ?
16:00 <ajnin> did he tell you that ?
16:00 <Tigger_> ajnin, no
16:00 <ajnin> then its a big call dont you think
16:30 <ajnin> Tigger_ did you meet the pope ?
16:37 <ajnin> did he tell you that ?
16:40 <Tigger_> ajnin, no
16:51 <ajnin> then its a big call dont you think
17:00 <ajnin> also its his job to get the numbers up
17:00 <ajnin> his ultimate goal is to have no other religions
17:00 <Tigger_> yes, that is what I suspected
17:00 <ajnin> that what every Christan wants
17:00 <ajnin> its also what every Muslum wants
17:00 <ajnin> but for Islam
17:01 <ajnin> also its his job to get the numbers up
17:20 <ajnin> his ultimate goal is to have no other religions
17:29 <Tigger_> yes, that is what I suspected
17:46 <ajnin> that what every Christan wants
17:52 <ajnin> its also what every Muslum wants
17:55 <ajnin> but for Islam
18:00 <ajnin> not sure about the other religions
18:00 <Tigger_> no I don't, I want the truth, not the success of a particular church like a football team
18:00 <ajnin> the word is the truth
18:12 <ajnin> not sure about the other religions
18:33 <Tigger_> no I don't, I want the truth, not the success of a particular church like a football team
18:53 <ajnin> the word is the truth
19:00 <Tigger_> and the best way to ensure the truth has freedom to speak is to have many churches, so that heresy can not be imposed from top down
19:57 <Tigger_> and the best way to ensure the truth has freedom to speak is to have many churches, so that heresy can not be imposed from top down
21:00 <ajnin> no way
21:00 <ajnin> you cant have that
21:00 <ajnin> as there is only 1 truth
21:00 <ajnin> and having many churchs means there are many wrong answers
21:20 <ajnin> no way
21:40 <ajnin> you cant have that
21:45 <ajnin> as there is only 1 truth
21:58 <ajnin> and having many churchs means there are many wrong answers
22:00 <Tigger_> a single global church would be a true whore of Bablyon, every SJW crank and fanatic would be politicking their way into power
22:00 <Tigger_> there may be only one truth, but no one person can know that truth perfectly
22:21 <Tigger_> a single global church would be a true whore of Bablyon, every SJW crank and fanatic would be politicking their way into power
22:39 <Tigger_> there may be only one truth, but no one person can know that truth perfectly
24:00 <ajnin> thats right
24:00 <ajnin> and that is why the church is always evoliving 
24:25 <ajnin> thats right
24:36 <ajnin> and that is why the church is always evoliving
25:00 <ajnin> but at the same time it has never made a contriction in the catacisum
25:00 <Tigger_> the Catholic church has recently proved this correct actually, for over a century they elected intellectuals to be Pope, but then they appointed a nightclub bouncer to become Pope Francis
25:00 <ajnin> things have changes as our understanding of God grows
25:11 <ajnin> but at the same time it has never made a contriction in the catacisum
25:15 <Tigger_> the Catholic church has recently proved this correct actually, for over a century they elected intellectuals to be Pope, but then they appointed a nightclub bouncer to become Pope Francis
25:48 <ajnin> things have changes as our understanding of God grows
26:57 <ajnin> but its not like they will ever allow women priests, or give Holy Communion to people that the prient knows is in moral sin
27:18 <Tigger_> at least with the intellectual Popes like John Paul II, they could make a strong argument for their theology, but Francis has little facility for this, he is a social media spokesman
27:31 <ajnin> that is why I think all Protestant churchs are very dangerious to the followers
27:47 <Tigger_> in a few decades I expect the Catholic church will have women priests
27:54 <ajnin> Tigger_ each pope brings something different
28:03 <ajnin> but all decisions are discussed for years
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28:14 <ajnin> Tigger_ I do not
28:21 <Ozone> a few decades? seems like a long wait
28:41 <ajnin> i know my local priest persoanlly supports it
28:52 <ajnin> which is quite said to tell you the truth
29:26 <ajnin> but he shows commitment to the church by following their laws
32:27 <Tigger_> I made a prediction about this a few months ago, that it'll go like this: a diocese in a very lefty liberal area will start consecrating female priests, the Vatican will be silent, either ignoring the issue entirely, or at most writing formal letters saying that this is a breach of the faith. but it will go on for years without any decisive action. the new female priests will have enough time to consolidate their power and gain a followi
32:27 <Tigger_> ng
33:17 <Ozone> interesting theory
33:23 <ajnin> will not happen
33:36 <Tigger_> by the time the Church does decide to act, the cat is already out of the bag, and there'll be a massive counter protest, and the church will relent, and so there'll be female priests everywhere
33:37 <ajnin> the local Local Bishop will jump in
33:47 <ajnin> and who will ordain her ?
33:55 <Tigger_> it'll be the local lefty bishop doing the ordination
34:07 <ajnin> I dont see it happeneing
37:05 <Tigger_> I can't see how it won't happen, it's inevitable, even more likely now that they'll have the power of social media shrieking behind them
39:12 <ajnin> Tigger_ I know last week at mass
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39:22 <ajnin> we had a special appeal for extra money
39:33 <ajnin> they need money for the Carlton Simanary
39:38 <Tigger_> what is that?
39:57 <ajnin> i spelt it wrong
40:05 <ajnin> its the school for priests
40:11 <ajnin> where they do their traning
40:26 <ajnin> when they got it the numbers were slowing increating
40:35 <ajnin> and they thought it would last approx 50 years
40:40 <ajnin> then the numbers started to drop
40:52 <ajnin> but in the last 10 years the mumbers have more than doubled
40:59 <ajnin> and they are growing very fast
41:00 <Tigger_> what do they attribute that to?
41:21 <ajnin> and they are making the students share rooms
41:43 <ajnin> I am not sure... I have a personal theory
41:53 <ajnin> but I am not sure on why...
42:04 <ajnin> or why the chuch thinks this is happeneing
42:43 <Tigger_> my assumption is that they are importing trainee priests from the third world, rather than there being any sudden uptick in Australian's wanting to be priests
43:01 <ajnin> thats why I thought also
43:05 <ajnin> but its not the case
43:18 <ajnin> looking at the photos yes.. there are some that might be imports
43:29 <ajnin> but most were white australian/euro looking
43:36 <ajnin> and it was surprising to me
44:03 <Tigger_> very
44:13 <ajnin> You are right.. in 3rd world, they have high numbers of people wanting to be priests
44:19 <ajnin> they get money, food and power
44:30 <ajnin> it is very entising for people
44:44 <ajnin> I am guessing it was like that in europe in the middle ages
45:05 <ajnin> lots of people who should not be priests becoming priests
45:21 <Tigger_> there is a deeper reason, the third world is often polygamous, so that a good percentage of men will never have a wife anyway, so faced with that prospect, why not make the most of it and become a Catholic priest
46:01 <circle> <Tigger_> there need be no division between patriotism and religion
46:03 <circle> precisely
46:16 <circle> race, nation and faith must be deeply intertwined
47:00 <ajnin> Tigger_ where is polygamy still practiced ?
47:11 <circle> if you de-link any of these things
47:13 <circle> it all falls apart
47:21 <ajnin> only in the islamic 3rd world
47:22 <Tigger_> Africa is deeply polygamous
47:46 <Tigger_> Thailand only banned polygamy a few years ago
47:57 <Tigger_> as a few examples
47:58 <ajnin> not the afrians who have accepted christianty
48:57 <Tigger_> polygamy is entrenched in the culture, so that even if most people are not polygamous, it still distorts the marriage stats, making wives less available
49:19 <ajnin> Catholics, represent 0.7% of the population
49:30 <Tigger_> in polygamous societies, beta and omega males are the worthless refuse
49:50 <ajnin> I would be in toruble then
50:21 <Tigger_> well serial monogamy (sluts) is a form of polygamy that has started to creep into the west over the last few decades
56:12 <circle> Tigger_
56:19 <circle> is polygamy a bad thing
56:26 <circle> high value men taking multiple wives
56:48 <Tigger_> it's a very socially destructive thing, and the path to absolute decivilisation
56:58 <circle> yeah i pretty much agree
57:52 <Tigger_> in Africa it lead to the most violent males being the most reproductively successful, so you end up with a continent of criminals
59:39 <Tigger_> also the flip side of the polygamy coin is homosexuality, you end up with a biological reinforcement of men who are mostly gay, but are opportunistically hetero if they can get access to a female however briefly
59:57 <Tigger_> which is why the African and Islamic worlds are so full of rampant homos
00:08 <circle> what's wrong with homosexuality?
00:21 <circle> some of the greatest civilisations in world history, like the athenians, embraced homosexuality
00:33 <circle> jews said we should hate homos, but don't listen to jews
00:47 <Tigger_> Athens never embraced homosexuality, it was Sparta that was the gay city, and they died out
01:01 <circle> lol
01:05 <circle> homosexuality was common in ancient athens
01:15 <circle> and they had all gay military units
01:36 <circle> the athenians considered masculine bonds deeper than anything else
01:46 <circle> homophobia is a jewish invention
02:05 <Tigger_> Euripides play "Lysistrata" would make no sense at all if homosexuality was common in Athens
03:38 <circle> >These scholars have shown that same-sex relations were openly practised, largely with official sanction, in many areas of life from the 7th century BC until the Roman era.
03:47 <circle> >Other scholars, such as Victoria Wohl, emphasize that in Athens, same-sex desire was part of the "sexual ideology of the democracy," shared by the elite and the demos, as exemplified by the tyrant-slayers, Harmodius and Aristogeiton.[14] Even those who argue that pederasty was limited to the upper classes generally concede that it was "part of the social structure of the polis."[13]
04:14 <Tigger_> anti-homosexuality in the west is due to a disgust reflex, that it's so filthy that it fills the average person with horror, this is a biological response to things that could kill you, such as rotting animals or evidence of disease
04:28 <circle> disgust is socialised into you
04:59 <Tigger_> while anti-homosexuality in the Islamic and African worlds is premised on "gay sex is just so wonderful, so beautiful, that it's just too tempting"
04:59 <circle> and many of those most "disgusted" are disgusted at themselves and are battling deep inner conflicts
05:11 <circle> essentially, true homophobes are mostly gay themselves
05:30 <circle> but they won't admit it to themselves, and think if they outwardly display homophobia it will help them lie to themselves
05:37 <Tigger_> actually disgust has been studied in neuropsychology, where the disgust reflexes are triggered before conscious thought emerges
05:52 <circle> africans hate homosexuals probably more than any other race
05:56 <circle> many african nations kill gays to this day
06:04 <circle> it's because they're savages
06:05 <Tigger_> but they're also the gayest race
06:33 <Tigger_> someone is very naive if they think AIDS was spread throughout Africa by women giving it to men
06:44 <circle> hahaha
06:57 <circle> yes, severe homophobia often goes along with being gay yourself
07:15 <circle> an african will fuck a man in the arse one day and call for gays to be executed the next
07:18 <Tigger_> and that is the African/Islamic form of homophobia
07:32 <Tigger_> it's too sexy, so must be stopped
07:53 <circle> the european form of homophobia is essentially that they've been brainwashed by jews
08:22 <circle> homosexuality should be accepted. there have been and will be many great homosexual men.
08:28 <circle> what should be discouraged is feminine homosexuality
08:46 <circle> gay people who take on a psudo-feminine personality and act like flaming faggots
09:18 <Tigger_> I believe European anti-homosexuality is a biological disgust reflex, that it is not voluntary, and stems from the long interaction Europeans have had with domesticating animals
10:02 <circle> anyone truly disgusted by homosexuality is probably gay themselves
10:12 <circle> when they think about it, their disgust reflex prevents them getting ab oner
10:13 <circle> a boner*
10:22 <circle> it's a protection mechanism
10:29 <circle> if they get a boner, they'll have to admit to themselves they're gay
11:16 <circle> a large proportion of the male population is not entirely straight
11:50 <circle> exclusive homosexuality is relatively rare, but non-exclusive homosexuality is far less rare.
11:57 <Tigger_> I've heard that claim before, but sexual preferences of men seem to follow the bathtub curve
12:16 <Tigger_> that there are more homosexual men than bisexual men
12:57 <circle> you're saying you think there are more homosexual men than bisexual men?
13:03 <Tigger_> yes
13:04 <circle> from the evidence i have seen i highly doubt that
13:35 <Tigger_> I've seen stats on male self identification, and far more say gay than bi
13:48 <circle> yeah, but you can't trust self identification
14:15 <Tigger_> more trustworthy than what someone else projects onto them
14:33 <circle> unlikely
14:39 <Tigger_> are you gay/bi?
14:40 <circle> shemale porn for example is extremely popular
14:46 <circle> but most who watch it call themselves straight
15:00 <Tigger_> now that's something that really triggers the disgust reflex
15:58 <circle> i'd say i'm mainly straight. i think women are beautiful, i love their bodies, their faces, i love femininity and girlyness. like many men though i'm not entirely straight. i'd suck a dick if given the chance.
16:08 <circle> now you may call me gay and in denial. simple truth is i wouldn't care if i was.
16:23 <circle> i have no motive to deny being gay. i genuinely believe i am mostly straight.
16:27 <Tigger_> it'll be interesting when you meet greeksnake
16:57 <circle> who is greeksnake?
17:07 <Tigger_> a gay fellow who often comes on here
17:39 <circle> should be interesting
17:42 <Tigger_> yes
17:42 <circle> what are his views on this matter?
17:58 <Tigger_> he can't understand why any male would be stupid enough to be straight
19:32 <circle> being gay in a non-homophobic society is better in a lot of ways. women are quite difficult, simply because of how in demand they are and their role as evolutionary selectors. add in feminism, and being gay becomes a reasonable proposition.
20:03 <circle> i still wouldn't choose to be gay though. i wouldn't want to lose attraction to the beauty of a truly pretty, feminine girl.
21:26 <Tigger_> well I don't think pure 100% non-heterosexuality is possible, there is too much weight of biology against that. which then causes homosexuals to theorise "If I'm sometimes attracted to a few girls, then it must be the same for straight guys"
23:52 <circle> i think it's the opposite personally
24:30 <circle> i know many gay people who are just straight up gay...they're in a very different class than the ~20% of men who are mainly straight but dabble
25:04 <circle> another interesting discussion is female sexuality
25:28 <Tigger_> though I have noticed how quite a few gays are interested in far right politics, and quite a few of the rightwing anti-immigration parties in Europe are dominated by gays. this would seem to be a vindication of EO Wilson's hypothesis of the "gay uncle" who furthers their DNA through assisting their siblings offspring, but abstracting it to the nation
25:43 <circle> interesting
26:04 <circle> there's a fuck load of gay right wingers, a lot of them have a really independent insightful view on masculinity because they're not clouded by obsession with women
26:07 <circle> look up the book "the way of men"
28:19 <Tigger_> http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/books/the-way-of-men/
28:23 <progressive> [ The Way of Men | Jack Donovan ] - www.jack-donovan.com
28:25 <circle> yep
28:38 <Tigger_> I'll have a look at it, I notice he posts on a few sites I have visited
30:33 <circle> yep, it's quite good
30:41 <circle> http://manlyexcellence.com/2012/04/12/make-it-happen-interview-with-powerlifter-chris-duffin-by-jack-donovan/
30:42 <progressive> [ Make It Happen – Interview with Powerlifter Chris Duffin – By Jack Donovan | The Hall of Manly Excellence ] - manlyexcellence.com
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22:01 <Mx_Trump> i saw on best coverage bush is slashing his expense budget by 30% or something lolllllllllllllllllllll
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29:31 <Tigger_> yeah I read that
31:20 <Tigger_> Jeb Bush’s campaign insists the wholesale restructuring announced Friday is merely a course correction, a reallocation of resources and heightened focus on New Hampshire. But for a growing number of Bush’s supporters, frustrated by his prolonged slump and poor performance, the latest campaign shake-up is looking like more of a death knell.
31:20 <Tigger_> Starting on Nov. 1, the campaign will cut payroll costs by 40 percent, downsize its Miami headquarters by more than 50 percent, reduce travel costs by 20 percent and cut 45 percent of spending on things other than media and voter contact. Even if those moves ease financial pressures on Bush’s large campaign operation, they only reinforce the prevailing narrative about a candidate, not long ago viewed as a front-runner, in freefall.
32:01 <Mx_Trump> his donors are sick of all the money being pissed away
32:16 <Tigger_> I'll expect he'll last till the end though, the family can call in a lot of favours
37:44 <circle> hahaha
38:09 <circle> i suspect someone like marco rubio has the best shot at the moment
38:15 <circle> maybe carson if he doesn't go full retard
38:24 <Tigger_> I wonder how much Jeb Bush pays his feminist trolls: http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/10/12/trump-cherishes-women-moos-pkg-erin.cnn
38:27 <progressive> [ Jeb Bush volunteer grills Donald Trump - CNN Video ] - edition.cnn.com
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39:16 <Tigger_> hi Warren1984
39:18 <Warren1984> hi all
39:19 <Tigger_> are you back home?
39:23 <Warren1984> back from Melbourne
39:25 <Warren1984> yes
39:29 <Warren1984> just got it
39:32 <Tigger_> how was the visit?
39:37 <Warren1984> tiring
39:43 <Warren1984> did heaps of walking
39:58 <Warren1984> went up the tallest building
40:38 <Tigger_> how was Tarryn?
40:48 <Warren1984> yeah good just a bit sick
40:58 <Warren1984> I had no energy drinks or no-doz
41:08 <Warren1984> all the way there and back
41:32 <Warren1984> the weather there is terrible
41:34 <Mx_Trump> was tarryn in melbourne?
41:40 <Tigger_> what was it like?
41:47 <Tigger_> and is Tarryn getting better?
42:16 <Warren1984> It really different to perth
42:22 <Warren1984> the city is big
42:44 <Warren1984> so many Asian's there
42:45 <Mx_Trump> did you go to nandos?
42:51 <Warren1984> not many aboriginals
43:00 <Warren1984> no why Mx_Trump?
43:19 <Mx_Trump> did you see any nandos?
43:30 <Tigger_> penetrating questions
43:40 <Tigger_> Maddy wants some Nandos chips
43:45 <Mx_Trump> i cant remember the circumstances of the nandos
45:13 <Tigger_> WarrenEXPOSED.jpg
49:32 <Tigger_> so where does Tarryn usually work now? in Australia?
50:48 <Mx_Trump> she flies abu dhabi to australia
50:55 <Mx_Trump> to accomodate the bogan australians on teh flights
52:05 <Tigger_> I once came across a good Malaysian forum where they complained about Singapore Airways, saying that the Australian's were treated like royalty, while Malaysians are treated like dirt
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52:32 <anotherirc3r> our city is beautiful
52:33 <anotherirc3r> i love it
52:44 <Mx_Trump> well the chinese would see those malay/indo types as scum
54:35 <Tigger_> Melbourne is beautiful compared to what?
55:11 <Mx_Trump> compared to kabul
57:06 <Tigger_> Melbourne probably did look good once, before they demolished everything for the 1956 Olympics
58:11 <anotherirc3r> haha
58:13 <anotherirc3r> good point
58:22 <Mx_Trump> anotherirc3r only lives on the out skirts of melbourne anyway
58:35 <Warren1984> [19:49] <@Tigger_> so where does Tarryn usually work now? in Australia? <- she does werever
58:53 <Tigger_> did you take the rabbit with you to see her?
59:00 <Warren1984> no
59:06 <Warren1984> can't take animals aboard
59:39 <Mx_Trump> who went and saw her? just you?
01:20 <anotherirc3r> yes, i do live on the outskirts
01:23 <anotherirc3r> where do you live Brett?
03:05 <Mx_Trump> toorak
03:10 <Ethanol> The movie "San Andreas" is another predictable movie from the disaster movie cookie cutter - estranged yet courageous husband is put on "stand-by mode" while wife sleeps around with millionaires. He has to save her life several times before she realises that she always loved him.
03:52 <anotherirc3r> of course
04:00 <Ethanol> And the fault lines always follow the main characters
04:03 <anotherirc3r> sounds stupid
04:13 <Mx_Trump> i have serveral properties though
05:11 <Tigger_> Dwayne Johnson is the star? so he's getting cuckolded
05:18 <Ethanol> yes
05:29 <Ethanol> 2012 had a very similar theme
06:28 <Tigger_> 2012 was an ordeal, but the scenes of destruction rendered the detail beautifully though
07:41 <Tigger_> I little understood the objectives either, for almost the entire film I thought they were going to spaceships to leave Earth, but it turned out they were boats
09:14 <Ethanol> yes, in the end it was a contemporary version of Noah's Ark
09:29 <Ethanol> except only the super rich were "righteous", so saith the Lord
10:46 <Tigger_> Roland Emmerich sold out the gay community, the arks should only have carried gay men to repopulate the Earth
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12:00 <Tigger_> there was also his Day After Tomorrow, where global warming causes an ice age (or something) and the hero is chased down a hallway by a homicidal current of cold air
12:31 <anotherirc3r> haha
14:32 <Warren1984> anything exciting on the news while I was gone?
17:25 <Tigger_> Putin called Obama a nigger
18:20 <Tigger_> they should've done a sequel years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day:_Resurgence
18:20 <progressive> [WIKIPEDIA] Independence Day: Resurgence | "Independence Day: Resurgence is an upcoming American science fiction disaster film directed by Roland Emmerich, written by Emmerich, Dean Devlin and Carter Blanchard. It is the sequel to the 1996 film Independence Day. The film stars Jeff Goldblum, Bill Pullman, Judd Hirsch, Vivica A. Fox and Brent Spiner..."
20:09 <Tigger_> On June 24, 2011, Devlin confirmed that he and Emmerich have found an idea for the sequels and have written a treatment for it, with both Emmerich and Devlin having the desire for Will Smith to return for the sequels.[12] In October 2011, however, discussions for Smith returning were halted, due to Fox's refusal to provide the $50 million salary demanded by Smith for the two sequels. Emmerich, however, made assurances that the films would
20:09 <Tigger_> be shot back-to-back, regardless of Smith's involvement.
20:18 <Tigger_> Will Smith won't be in it
21:43 <Mx_Trump> they should get lamar to do it
21:45 <Tigger_> Will Smith is not returning to the sequel because "he’s too expensive".[17] Later in June, it was officially confirmed that both Goldblum and Pullman would return in the sequel, and that a gay character would be prominently featured.
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22:16 <Tigger_> Will Smith was both the black and gay character in the first Independence Day
32:35 <Tigger_> I just made this: http://imgur.com/t5WUJtZ
32:36 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
34:14 <Warren1984> people who like crowds and night life would enjoy Melbourne
34:28 <Warren1984> I think I am over those days now
35:06 <Warren1984> strange think is instead of like Northbridge where all the action is, it's more spread out
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41:44 <anotherirc3r> so am i Warren
42:01 <anotherirc3r> my clubbing days were when i was 15-17
42:17 <Warren1984> erlich it must be Vietnamese or local oriental women who dye their hair, because most of the Asian women in Melbourne have black hair
42:35 <Warren1984> serious you went when you were 15?
42:45 <Warren1984> how did you get in
42:55 <anotherirc3r> they didn't care because i'm female
43:00 <anotherirc3r> females get more guys in
43:26 <Warren1984> didn't think about that
43:47 <Warren1984> the first victim of the claremont serial killer was 17
43:59 <Warren1984> but back then 20 years ago, there was no photo id
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46:29 <myimmortal> hello my disciples
48:51 <Warren1984> hey Roberto
49:21 <Tigger_> hello myimmortal
50:43 <Warren1984> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/drug-addicts-shooting-up-in-baby-change-rooms-at-sydney-shopping-centres/story-fni0cx12-1227581107595#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-news-plus-story%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1445691022963#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-news-plus-story%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1445691024651
50:43 <progressive> [ No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au ] - www.dailytelegraph.com.au
50:54 <Warren1984> Drug addicts shooting up in baby change rooms at Sydney shopping centres
51:52 <myimmortal> hi tigz and wazza
52:52 <Warren1984> the car park in Perth was $80 for long term parking
53:00 <Warren1984> we could have caught a taxi
54:58 <Tigger_> just steal a car there and back
55:04 <Warren1984> ICE users are shooting up in baby changing rooms at shopping centres, forcing malls to ramp up security amid a torrent of complaints.
56:39 <Tigger_> they could kick the mothers and babies out so they don't upset the ice users while they're shooting up
58:42 <Warren1984> why can't the security and police shoot them
59:23 <Warren1984> or is that too extreme?
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