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00:00 <happy-lil-camper> https://www.facebook.com/haberinbizdencom/videos/350400561784342/
00:00 <progressive> [ Tek Kelimeyle Harika! Her Eve Lazım! - haberinbizden.com | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
00:00 <happy-lil-camper> very handy warren
00:48 <+happy-lil-camper> https://www.facebook.com/haberinbizdencom/videos/350400561784342/
00:50 <progressive> [ Tek Kelimeyle Harika! Her Eve Lazım! - haberinbizden.com | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
00:52 <+happy-lil-camper> very handy warren
03:00 <happy-lil-camper> well Warren1984 ?
03:00 <happy-lil-camper> what good are SOPs if you dont have tools
03:49 <+happy-lil-camper> well Warren1984 ?
04:00 <happy-lil-camper> what good is the perfect SOP if you dont have the equipment required
04:04 <+happy-lil-camper> what good are SOPs if you dont have tools
04:23 <+happy-lil-camper> what good is the perfect SOP if you dont have the equipment required
06:00 <ajnin> night
06:30 <ajnin> night
10:00 <happy-lil-camper> nite
10:00 <anotherirc3r> bed now?
10:00 <Warren1984> lol happy-lil-camper
10:10 <+happy-lil-camper> nite
10:21 <anotherirc3r> bed now?
11:00 <Warren1984> sorry I was afk
11:01 <Warren1984> lol happy-lil-camper
11:05 <Warren1984> sorry I was afk
18:00 <baz> Tigger_, before I go, I just want to recommend you read the novelist Muriel Spark
18:00 <baz> something tells me you'll like her fiction
18:00 <Tigger_> I have read her
18:00 <baz> oh
18:00 <baz> what have you read?
18:17 <baz> Tigger_, before I go, I just want to recommend you read the novelist Muriel Spark
18:27 <baz> something tells me you'll like her fiction
18:28 <Tigger_> I have read her
18:33 <baz> oh
18:37 <baz> what have you read?
19:00 <Tigger_> Prime of Miss Jean Brodie
19:08 <Tigger_> Prime of Miss Jean Brodie
20:00 <baz> the famous one
20:00 <Tigger_> yes, but got to get back to this cooking, goodnight for now
20:00 <baz> I'd like you to read her other books
20:00 <baz> they're entirely different
20:26 <baz> the famous one
20:42 <Tigger_> yes, but got to get back to this cooking, goodnight for now
20:49 <baz> I'd like you to read her other books
20:55 <baz> they're entirely different
21:00 <baz> ok, goodnight!
21:00 <happy-lil-camper> baz, you dont like the Kindle do you?
21:00 <happy-lil-camper> are you one of those paper copy only people
21:00 <baz> no
21:00 <baz> yeah
21:06 <baz> ok, goodnight!
21:06 <+happy-lil-camper> baz, you dont like the Kindle do you?
21:24 <+happy-lil-camper> are you one of those paper copy only people
21:26 <baz> no
21:32 <baz> yeah
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07:00 <happy-lil-camper> http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/brother-posts-plea-to-facebook-in-search-for-man-who-stole-sisters-wallet-after-rolling-car-three-times/story-fnh81jut-1227552193568 <--- i knew his race before it was mentioned
07:00 <progressive> [ ‘She begged him to stay with her’ ] - www.news.com.au
07:56 <+happy-lil-camper> http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/brother-posts-plea-to-facebook-in-search-for-man-who-stole-sisters-wallet-after-rolling-car-three-times/story-fnh81jut-1227552193568 <--- i knew his race before it was mentioned
07:57 <progressive> [ ‘She begged him to stay with her’ ] - www.news.com.au
08:00 <anotherirc3r> rofl xmendo
08:53 <anotherirc3r> rofl xmendo
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47:08 Nick: happy-lil-camper is now known as TonyLe
04:00 <Tigger_> `topic Life is more fattening now, but particularly modern meat: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/09/why-it-was-easier-to-be-skinny-in-the-1980s/407974/
04:00 <progressive> [ Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s - The Atlantic ] - www.theatlantic.com
04:05 <Tigger_> `topic Life is more fattening now, but particularly modern meat: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/09/why-it-was-easier-to-be-skinny-in-the-1980s/407974/
04:06 <progressive> [ Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s - The Atlantic ] - www.theatlantic.com
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19:00 <respect> morning
19:26 <respect> morning
22:00 <respect> https://www.facebook.com/Acronym44/videos/1688965234672251/
22:00 <progressive> [ Chris Mine - Techno 2015 | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
22:25 <respect> https://www.facebook.com/Acronym44/videos/1688965234672251/
22:26 <progressive> [ Chris Mine - Techno 2015 | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
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07:00 <Abortion> Tigger_: I wonder how that compares to the australian context. Meat here cannot have hormones, but they still use antibiotics
07:12 <Abortion> Tigger_: I wonder how that compares to the australian context. Meat here cannot have hormones, but they still use antibiotics
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44:00 <Warren1984> hi all
44:42 <Warren1984> hi all
07:00 <Warren1984> the good thing about Russia is they don't fuck around they get in there and do the job
07:14 <Warren1984> the good thing about Russia is they don't fuck around they get in there and do the job
48:00 <Tigger_> hello Warren1984 
48:00 <Tigger_> and others
48:00 <Ozone> morning
48:00 <Tigger_> hey Ozone, holiday in Victoria?
48:15 <Tigger_> hello Warren1984
48:19 <Tigger_> and others
48:27 <Ozone> morning
48:49 <Tigger_> hey Ozone, holiday in Victoria?
50:00 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
50:00 <Ozone> yes
50:00 <Warren1984> hey Ozone
50:00 <Warren1984> Tigger_ I have found several ways to organize and use information
50:00 <Tigger_> I watched the new episode of Paranormal Witness this morning, another one in which a seemingly normal average person becomes an extremely evil ghost
50:05 <Warren1984> hey Tigger_
50:10 <Ozone> yes
50:14 <Warren1984> hey Ozone
50:43 <Warren1984> Tigger_ I have found several ways to organize and use information
51:02 <Tigger_> I watched the new episode of Paranormal Witness this morning, another one in which a seemingly normal average person becomes an extremely evil ghost
52:00 <Tigger_> Warren1984, always use CherryTree to organise information
52:00 <Warren1984> 1st SOPs 2nd todo lists 3rd smart goals 4th location 5th alphabetical 6th time 7th categories 8th heirarchy 9th checklists and 10th normal lists
52:36 <Tigger_> Warren1984, always use CherryTree to organise information
52:59 <Warren1984> 1st SOPs 2nd todo lists 3rd smart goals 4th location 5th alphabetical 6th time 7th categories 8th heirarchy 9th checklists and 10th normal lists
54:00 <Warren1984> cherrytree is a concrete example of organizing information over time
54:00 <Ozone> heh, i completely forgot to download it
54:00 <Ozone> how many episodes in are we now?
54:13 <Warren1984> cherrytree is a concrete example of organizing information over time
54:32 <Ozone> heh, i completely forgot to download it
54:37 <Ozone> how many episodes in are we now?
55:00 <Tigger_> 6
55:00 <Ozone> excellent
55:50 <Tigger_> 6
55:56 <Ozone> excellent
56:00 <Tigger_> the best one so far is #3, Molech
56:00 <Tigger_> not only is the subject matter insanely terrifying, the guy who it happened to is a public figure
56:06 <Tigger_> the best one so far is #3, Molech
56:34 <Tigger_> not only is the subject matter insanely terrifying, the guy who it happened to is a public figure
57:00 <Ozone> interesting
57:40 <Ozone> interesting
03:00 <Tigger_> and also the Catholic priest who was involved was also fairly high up in the church hierarchy, and appears in person to be interviewed, which I don't think has happened before
03:51 <Tigger_> and also the Catholic priest who was involved was also fairly high up in the church hierarchy, and appears in person to be interviewed, which I don't think has happened before
08:00 <Ozone> very interesting
08:00 <Ozone> ill watch
08:24 <Ozone> very interesting
08:26 <Ozone> ill watch
20:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/after-umpqua-community-college-shooting-us-president-barack-obama-gets-really-angry-about-americas-gun-ownership-laws/story-fnu2q5nu-1227553536147
20:00 <progressive> [ UCC shooting: Obama response angry: ‘We have become numb’ | Oregon shooting | Video ] - www.news.com.au
20:00 <Tigger_> they've all been of a pretty good standard so far, I was worried that they'd run out of good stories, but maybe people are starting to feel more confident in talking about this stuff
20:11 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/after-umpqua-community-college-shooting-us-president-barack-obama-gets-really-angry-about-americas-gun-ownership-laws/story-fnu2q5nu-1227553536147
20:11 <progressive> [ UCC shooting: Obama response angry: ‘We have become numb’ | Oregon shooting | Video ] - www.news.com.au
20:42 <Tigger_> they've all been of a pretty good standard so far, I was worried that they'd run out of good stories, but maybe people are starting to feel more confident in talking about this stuff
21:00 <Ozone> maybe
21:34 <Ozone> maybe
23:00 <Tigger_> the shooter, looks mixed race: https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/chris-harper-mercer-blog.jpg%3Fquality%3D65%26strip%3Dall
23:15 <Tigger_> the shooter, looks mixed race: https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/chris-harper-mercer-blog.jpg%3Fquality%3D65%26strip%3Dall
25:00 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/the-job-thats-in-high-demand-with-perks-and-decent-pay-that-you-dont-need-to-go-to-university-for/story-fnkgbb3b-1227553645553
25:00 <progressive> [ Jobseekers, software developer work doesn’t need a university degree ] - www.news.com.au
25:49 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/the-job-thats-in-high-demand-with-perks-and-decent-pay-that-you-dont-need-to-go-to-university-for/story-fnkgbb3b-1227553645553
25:49 <progressive> [ Jobseekers, software developer work doesn’t need a university degree ] - www.news.com.au
26:00 <Tigger_> “If someone had a month of full-time learning a new programming language that is in demand in Australia – Ruby on Rails or JavaScript – and they are able to talk and be a normal person, they will have no problem getting a job.”
26:00 <Tigger_> they wouldn't be a very good coder
26:55 <Tigger_> “If someone had a month of full-time learning a new programming language that is in demand in Australia – Ruby on Rails or JavaScript – and they are able to talk and be a normal person, they will have no problem getting a job.”
27:03 <Tigger_> they wouldn't be a very good coder
13:00 <Ozone> heh
13:20 <Ozone> heh
26:00 <Abortion> Not even sure normal is right
26:00 <Abortion> they want a team player
26:00 <Abortion> lots of people get really jealous about their work
26:00 <Abortion> What they want is someone who won't shit bricks when critisised
26:00 <Abortion> A real engineer doesn't
26:00 <Abortion> because the important thing is that it works, not that you did all the work
26:18 <Abortion> Not even sure normal is right
26:24 <Abortion> they want a team player
26:33 <Abortion> lots of people get really jealous about their work
26:46 <Abortion> What they want is someone who won't shit bricks when critisised
26:51 <Abortion> A real engineer doesn't
26:59 <Abortion> because the important thing is that it works, not that you did all the work
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59:18 <ajnin> hello
00:18 <ajnin> coders are not engineers
00:21 <ajnin> thats the thing
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03:04 <Lish> Kids
03:46 <Tigger_> hi Lish
04:01 <Lish> What's doing? I'm in the car
04:14 <Tigger_> where are you going?
04:34 <Lish> Went to husbands friends now he's coming back to our place. I'm in the back seat of the truck
04:44 <Lish> Such a good day today, I'm going to the beach tomorrow for sure
06:17 <Tigger_> it was hot today, first day in 6 months
06:24 <Lish> Yeah 27 here
06:31 <Lish> Will be 28 tomorrow
07:05 <Ozone> Lish
07:11 <Lish> Ozone
07:13 <Tigger_> how do you read the screen in a moving vehicle without wanting to vomit?
07:22 <Lish> I don't get motion sickness
07:24 <Lish> I'm not weak
07:50 <Lish> :)
08:02 <Lish> I'm near you ozone
08:12 <Lish> But now I'm heading home
08:43 <Tigger_> get ozone too
08:55 <Lish> Should do
09:40 <Tigger_> I'm looking at a property with an altitude of 817m, almost a kilometre in the air
09:42 <Abortion> ajnin: True, engineering processes in software are still very young. Despite this, any good coder knows that there are processes that really should be following, mostly relating to testing and integration
10:03 <Lish> To buy Tigger_ ?
10:16 <Lish> I love today is Friday
10:31 <Lish> And I woke up at 10.30 and I am going to sit and watch my fav shows all night
10:37 <Tigger_> it's a bit expensive, $900,000
10:41 <Abortion> lol
10:46 <Abortion> yeah bit out of my price range
11:03 <Lish> Yeah too pricey
11:18 <Abortion> most houses are, really
11:38 <Abortion> you got to be earning loads or be in a partnership with someone these days
11:40 <Tigger_> here it is anyway: http://www.realestate.com.au/property-acreage+semi+rural-qld-springbrook-120236921
11:42 <progressive> [ Springbrook address available on request - Acreage/Semi-Rural for Sale #120236921 - realestate.com.au ] - www.realestate.com.au
12:28 <Tigger_> it seems to be some sort of bed and breakfast, so probably fitted out all wrong for me anyway
12:35 <Lish> Yeah a house in our street with smaller land sold for 200k more than we paid 2 years ago
12:53 <Tigger_> so your property value has gone up?
12:55 <Abortion> What fitout would you be after, Tigger_?
13:13 <Lish> Yeah seems like it
13:24 <Tigger_> Abortion, I just want a normal house, not one subdivided into self-contained units, which this one might be
13:26 <Lish> It was about the same size house with a semi renovation
13:48 <Abortion> well, the property market in Sydney and Melbourne are going to crash eventually
14:05 <Abortion> lots of other cities haven't gone all out so fast and some are recording contractions
14:22 <Tigger_> I think it could become a lot worse, if China's economy crashes, there might be a mass exodus of people escaping with suitcases full of cash
14:30 <Lish> lolol
14:59 <Abortion> to where though?
15:04 <Tigger_> to Australia
15:10 <Abortion> oh right
15:15 <Abortion> thought you meant from here
15:26 <Lish> Who's abortion?
15:35 <Tigger_> no, Chinese getting out before their govt grabs the cash
15:51 <Tigger_> there's a house further up the road with an elevation of 925m
15:55 <Abortion> bitcoin is big in china for a reason
16:26 <Tigger_> yep
16:35 <Tigger_> there's a 600 metre cliff just behind the house
16:48 <Tigger_> and that cliff is the QLD/NSW border
16:52 <Lish> I'm having a strawberry sundae
16:57 <Abortion> better keep the kids off your property
18:19 <Tigger_> "eat all your vegetables, or you'll be thrown off the cliff"
19:36 <Tigger_> what it looks like a bit further along the cliff: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/102846193?source=wapi&referrer=kh.google.com
19:37 <progressive> [ Panoramio - Untitled photo ] - www.panoramio.com
20:20 <Lish> So nice
21:16 <Tigger_> the $900k house is on the other side of this plateau: http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=177&with_photo_id=102846199&order=date_desc&user=6656102
21:17 <progressive> [ Panoramio - Photo explorer ] - www.panoramio.com
21:45 <Lish> Pretty
21:58 <Lish> Ok full of ice cream now
22:14 <Tigger_> about 1km away
22:20 <Tigger_> what flavour icecream?
22:48 <Lish> Sundae strawberry
23:26 <Tigger_> strawberry is too sickly for my liking
23:50 <Lish> I wanted carame but it's too sickly for me
24:52 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/australias-south-east-will-experience-a-four-day-warm-spell/story-fnjwvztl-1227553364522
24:53 <progressive> [ Heatwave in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide: Weather forecast for October 2015 long weekend ] - www.news.com.au
25:00 <Ozone> yayyyy!
25:12 <Tigger_> ah so that's why it's so warm, we might've gotten a little of it up here too
25:14 <Lish> Yep def beaching tomorrow
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27:37 <Tigger_> well how about that, there are a few houses that are over 1km altitude
27:54 <Lish> I love watching other ppl out the windows
28:03 <Tigger_> are they picking their nose?
28:22 <Lish> No one yet
28:30 <Lish> I always dance when I drive lol
28:38 <Lish> Ppl must think I'm nuts
30:03 <Tigger_> dance behind the wheel?
30:21 <Lish> Yuh
31:15 <Tigger_> ok, what I need you to do now is to send me $200,000
31:41 <Lish> Why
32:19 <Tigger_> so I can buy that house
33:00 <Lish> Ok
33:53 <Tigger_> good, I'll even let you stay in it when you come to QLD
34:42 <Lish> Yay
34:45 <Lish> How kind
34:54 <Lish> You'd just fill it with your hoarder stuff
34:54 <Tigger_> it's quite fair
35:07 <Tigger_> I don't have that many comics
36:26 <Lish> Just cans of Coke
36:32 <ajnin> OMG
36:34 <Lish> And tins of lentils
36:40 <ajnin> how do cunts with kids do it ?
36:49 <Tigger_> do what?
36:50 <ajnin> i just had a pre final BBQ today
36:56 <ajnin> and my house was full of kids
37:01 <Lish> Yuck
37:01 <ajnin> they fuck up everything
37:04 <ajnin> and touch everything
37:06 <Tigger_> oh right, give them a good beating
37:06 <Lish> Hahahahaha
37:07 <ajnin> and make noise
37:15 <ajnin> and then make louder noise!
37:21 <Lish> You're the real entertainer this weekend
37:23 <Tigger_> how many kids?
37:25 <Lish> Poker, a BBQ
37:27 <Lish> Geez
37:29 <ajnin> Lish yea!!! I know
37:31 <ajnin> on fire
37:32 <ajnin> lol
37:32 <Lish> It's like you're social
37:36 <ajnin> almost
37:39 <Lish> Weird for an ircer
37:44 <ajnin> i invited NO ONE tomorrow for the grand final
37:49 <ajnin> and I have a projector
37:50 <ajnin> LOL
37:52 <Lish> Hahahaha
37:53 <ajnin> they just fuck it up
37:55 <ajnin> talking and shit
38:02 <ajnin> i love sparts
38:09 <ajnin> sports 9watching them)
38:17 <Lish> Hahahaha
38:23 <Lish> I do too
38:27 <Lish> I hate when ppl talk
38:30 <ajnin> so I dont want some dick talking to me about a lawn mower he wants to buy
38:36 <Lish> Cause I like to listen to the commentators
38:47 <Tigger_> my commentating would be much better
38:52 <ajnin> its like... "really... your telling me this now... when the fucking grand final is on"
39:08 <ajnin> Tigger_ I do my own colour commentery lol
39:12 <Lish> Hahaha
39:20 <ajnin> the good thing about american sports
39:23 <Lish> I'm not going to watch the grand final though cause afl sucks
39:29 <ajnin> is you can select commontators
39:32 <ajnin> thats fucking gold
39:42 <ajnin> I would listen to the home team commentoator
39:56 <Lish> Yeah I always listen to home commentator
40:05 <Lish> Only time you can't choose is nationally broadcast games
40:23 <ajnin> Lish everyone likes different things
40:42 <Lish> Yeah and afl sucks hahaha
40:51 <ajnin> better than ping pong
40:55 <Lish> Nope
40:57 <ajnin> and then asian foot vollyball
41:06 <Lish> I even like darts more
41:09 <ajnin> its my 2nf fav sport
41:13 <ajnin> 2nd
41:14 <Lish> What's first
41:16 <ajnin> first Cricket!!
41:21 <ajnin> easy first!!
41:21 <Lish> Ew
41:25 <ajnin> TEST cricket!!
41:25 <Lish> Horrible man
41:41 <ajnin> lish.. ok... do this
41:43 <Lish> Cricket is better than afl but not by much
41:51 <ajnin> think of it from a man's point of view..
41:56 <Lish> I won't
41:58 <ajnin> think about telling your wife...
42:02 <Tigger_> I do like the way test cricket can sustain interest for 5 days, imagine a single niggerball game that goes for 5 days
42:21 <ajnin> " I am going to go play sports with my firends... it will last 5 days.. 8 hours a day.. just have my dinner ready"
42:22 <ajnin> LOL
42:41 <Lish> Hahah I would say make your own dinner you slob
42:55 <ajnin> NO NO... you need to use your man brain!!
43:03 <ajnin> see why guys love it so mich
43:04 <Lish> That is my man brain
43:10 <Lish> I only have a man brain
43:11 <ajnin> they can escape the nagging wife LOL
43:34 <Lish> Not all wives are nagging
43:40 <ajnin> Lish i bet you like baseball ?
43:42 <Lish> If you have a nagging wife you legit got the wrong one
43:50 <Lish> No fuck that I hate baseball
43:52 <ajnin> Lish true!!
43:59 <Lish> Although it's better than cricket
44:00 <ajnin> Lish there is hope for you yet LOL
44:05 <Lish> I like basketball
44:09 <Lish> And rugby league
44:10 <ajnin> OMG!!! you just wrecked it!!
44:14 <Lish> And other sports
44:16 <ajnin> union is good
44:23 <Lish> Union is ok
44:28 <ajnin> i am thinking of starting to watch league
44:38 <ajnin> but i dont like that some poor dude got paralised
44:42 <ajnin> thats fucked
44:46 <Lish> That's life
44:53 <ajnin> but it seems like a more old school tuff game
44:56 <Lish> Could happen in any sports
45:03 <Lish> Guy got hit with a crixket ball and died
45:07 <ajnin> Lish would be rare in ping pong
45:12 <Lish> Thems the breaks
45:16 <Lish> True but could happen
45:27 <Lish> Fall hit your head on the corner of the table
45:27 <ajnin> Lish i perfer to be dead then para
45:33 <Lish> I wouldn't
45:47 <Lish> I have a para friend and he loves life
45:57 <ajnin> i dont think I could ajust
45:59 <Lish> Played chair rugby for Australia
46:06 <ajnin> then again... who knows
46:10 <Lish> Manages a development team
46:14 <ajnin> you see people who power on
46:17 <Lish> Just a rad guy
46:24 <Lish> Broke his neck surfing when he was 18
46:29 <ajnin> poor cunt
46:33 <ajnin> did yo know him then ?
46:35 <Tigger_> how did he break it surfing?
46:41 <Lish> Nah
46:42 <ajnin> Tigger_ it happens
46:48 <ajnin> hit the water hard
46:49 <Lish> Came off his board, head into sand
46:52 <Tigger_> ah
46:56 <Lish> Big wave
47:04 <Tigger_> I'd be too self-pitying to carry on as a cripple
47:04 <ajnin> yea... they can dump ya
47:18 <ajnin> Tigger_ yea I would be worried that would happen to me
47:40 <ajnin> i tried a new recipe for my burgers
47:46 <ajnin> did 8 standard ones
47:49 <ajnin> and 8 new ones
47:56 <Lish> He had a wife and everything
47:56 <ajnin> the new ones need ajusting
48:04 <ajnin> had ?? did she leave ?
48:07 <Lish> She died of cancer last year though
48:11 <ajnin> FUCK!
48:22 <ajnin> poor guy
48:27 <Lish> Yeah she was real nice too been together like 15 years
48:47 <ajnin> Cancer is FUCKED
48:54 <Lish> Yeah it's bad
48:58 <ajnin> we did a kids for cancer thing yesteray at work
49:05 <ajnin> gave gold coins for hotdogs
49:15 <ajnin> and you could ware footy tops to work
49:16 <Lish> Nice
49:21 <ajnin> any code
49:27 <ajnin> lots of EPL
49:32 <Lish> I would wear basketball
49:33 <Lish> Hahahahaha
49:53 <ajnin> this 1 guy has over 200 tops
49:57 <ajnin> for soccer teams
50:07 <Lish> That's cool
50:12 <ajnin> and he always wares a different on casual fridays
50:33 <ajnin> the guy he sits next to records them in excel
50:34 <ajnin> lol
50:40 <ajnin> to make sure he does not doulbe up
50:52 <Lish> Hahahahaha
52:41 <ajnin> they are 2 guys i would not want on my team
52:45 <ajnin> if htey are doing that
52:52 <ajnin> you know they are just good at wasting time
54:27 <Lish> Almost here
54:40 <ajnin> here ?
54:45 <Lish> Home
54:46 <Lish> Haha
54:48 <ajnin> OMG
54:48 <Lish> I meant
55:01 <ajnin> i forgot you can type like a fuckin deamon
55:03 <ajnin> on your pad
55:06 <ajnin> thats just werid
55:11 <Lish> Hahahahaha I am on my phone
55:13 <ajnin> and its also taking IRC to a new level
55:16 <ajnin> FUCK ME!
55:21 <ajnin> thats just not right
55:22 <Lish> Hahahahaha
55:25 <Lish> I'm awesome
55:32 <ajnin> also its a chick thing!!
55:34 <Lish> My husband picked up his friend and they are in the front
55:37 <Tigger_> lish is on her phone in a moving vehicle
55:37 <Lish> And I am in the back
55:40 <ajnin> no guys can type like that on phones or pads
55:41 <Lish> Yes
55:45 <Lish> I am skilled
56:02 <ajnin> Lish talk to the people in the car
56:02 <ajnin> lol
56:07 <ajnin> not IRC buddies
56:10 <Lish> Nah they are boring
56:15 <Lish> They talk about computers
56:16 <Tigger_> renee can be running for the train and still somehow be typing
56:22 <ajnin> hahah
56:23 <Lish> I talked a couple times
56:30 <Lish> About this Range Rover I'm going to get next
56:31 <ajnin> video cards.. .beep beeop beep beep
56:32 <ajnin> haha
56:33 <ajnin> nerds
56:34 <Lish> Cause we saw one
56:43 <Lish> Black on black
56:44 <ajnin> Lish the v8 ?
56:47 <Lish> Yeah
56:52 <ajnin> super charged ?
57:05 <ajnin> wow they are amazing
57:07 <Lish> Yes
57:11 <Lish> I'm also texting my sister
57:13 <ajnin> fuck!!!
57:16 <Lish> While talking to you people
57:19 <Lish> I'm multitalented
57:21 <ajnin> they are also like 100k aint that ?
57:22 <ajnin> they
57:29 <Lish> Lucky I'm almost home though cause my battery is drained
57:38 <Lish> Yeah 95 ish
57:53 <ajnin> yea... i raced 2 of them
57:54 <Lish> My husband got this Amarok truck and I just have a lame Mazda 5
57:57 <ajnin> got smashed LOL
57:58 <Tigger_> Lish, so you do have a female brain after all
58:00 <Lish> So I should get a cool car
58:03 <Warren1984> anything that is not complicated enough gets boring quickly
58:05 <Lish> Hahah multitasking ??
58:08 <Tigger_> yes
58:17 <Lish> Yeah I am organised and can multitask
58:28 <ajnin> i cant :(
58:31 <ajnin> i am orginised
58:35 <Lish> Ok stopping to get a Mexican Coke
58:37 <ajnin> but need to do things in sequence
58:40 <Lish> Talk later
58:42 <Tigger_> bye
58:43 <ajnin> enjoy
58:47 <Lish> 😀
58:49 <Warren1984> Lish can you multitask a 60 step process?
58:54 <Lish> Did the emoji work?
58:56 <Lish> Yes Warren1984
58:57 <ajnin> no
59:00 <Lish> Damn
59:00 <Warren1984> bullshit
59:01 <Lish> Hahahhaha
59:04 <Lish> Ok laters
59:05 <ajnin> <Lish> 😀
59:14 <Lish> Looks emoji to me
59:17 <Warren1984> I don't believe you Lish
59:18 <Lish> Must be iPhone thing
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59:36 <Warren1984> Lish is full of shit
59:46 <Warren1984> I can multitask a 60 step process
00:01 <Warren1984> she would make a great lab tech
00:27 <ajnin> i catn multitask for shit
00:56 <ajnin> Warren1984 how is tafe going man ?
02:26 <Tigger_> I'm not a multitasker, I will naturally focus on one thing and forget about the others
03:30 <ajnin> Tigger_ same
03:36 <ajnin> and then i get side tracked
03:39 <ajnin> and do other shit
03:43 <ajnin> its like I have ADD
03:53 <Tigger_> a bit of that too
04:02 <ajnin> YUCKKKKKKKKKKKK
04:11 <ajnin> target just sent me some advertising
04:18 <ajnin> and its got fat chicks in undies
04:40 <ajnin> its called "fit me"
04:45 <ajnin> i dont want to see that
04:50 <ajnin> its not right
05:15 <Tigger_> Target has gotten on the SJW bandwagon lately
05:37 <Tigger_> I just checked, I got that email too
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06:53 <ajnin> SJW ?
07:01 <ajnin> sloppy jewish women ?
07:34 <Tigger_> social justice warrior
08:17 <Tigger_> typically a fat woman with purple hair that tweets all day about feminism and racism
11:57 <Warren1984> Tigger_'s favourite song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjHMDlAPMUw
11:58 <progressive> [ Lost Frequencies - Are You With Me (Official Music Video) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
12:09 <Abortion> Racism and Xenophobia are two different things btw
13:10 <Tigger_> xenophobia could be about aliens
15:29 <Abortion> heh
21:07 <Tigger_> Warren1984, it's not bad
22:07 <Warren1984> hey ajnin
22:14 <Warren1984> Tigger_ are you Constantly seeking meaning and purpose in everything?
22:27 <Tigger_> always
23:26 <Warren1984> but do you find purpose and meaning in everything?
23:28 <Warren1984> I don't
23:42 <Tigger_> I sure do
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26:57 Mode: (by ChanOP) +h Ethanol
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34:30 <Warren1984> Tigger_'s favourite song -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6voHeEa3ig
34:31 <progressive> [ Coolio- Gangster's Paradise - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
34:53 <Tigger_> Coolio got arrested awhile back
35:09 <Tigger_> `topic #sobrave http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/11903290/Eight-of-Irans-womens-football-team-are-men.html
35:10 <progressive> [ Eight of Iran's women's football team 'are men' - Telegraph ] - www.telegraph.co.uk
35:39 <Ethanol> Police operation underway at Parramatta, public urged to avoid area
35:49 <Ethanol> yes, "operation"
36:35 <Tigger_> so another mentally ill not true muslim
37:17 <Warren1984> what for Tigger_?
38:12 <Tigger_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2112950/Coolio-arrested-locked-Las-Vegas-prison-son.html
38:12 <progressive> [ Coolio arrested and locked up in the same Las Vegas prison as his son | Daily Mail Online ] - www.dailymail.co.uk
39:08 <Ethanol> quality father-son time
39:43 <Tigger_> heh
43:27 <Tigger_> On the dating profile, which the Daily Beast said was linked to Harper-Mercer's email address, he was described as being of mixed race and not religious.
43:27 <Tigger_> Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/chris-harpermercer-oregon-college-shooter-was-seeking-miss-right-online-20151002-gjztby.html#ixzz3nOVdl8ct
43:27 <Tigger_> Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
43:28 <progressive> [ Chris Harper-Mercer, Oregon college shooter, was seeking 'Miss Right' online ] - www.smh.com.au
45:33 <Tigger_> meanwhile, Labor discovers a refugee they don't like:
45:35 <Tigger_> Labor MP Terri Butler said she respectfully agreed with the court's decision.
45:36 <Tigger_> "The guy got on a plane knowing he didn't have a visa and tried to get in past immigration and customs ... you can't get any more contemptuous of Australian law than that, you can't get more arrogant than that," she said.
45:44 <Tigger_> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/anti-abortionist-troy-newman-lose-court-bid-to-stay-in-australia/6823952
45:45 <progressive> [ Anti-abortion activist Troy Newman to be deported after losing court bid to stay in Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ] - www.abc.net.au
46:04 Join: Marttinn ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
47:06 <Marttinn> Warren1984: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-LX7VaZ1tM
47:07 <progressive> [ Vladimir Putin - Hay un chiste sobre eso (+Eng Sub) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
50:56 <Marttinn> brett and tigger will dislike this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BmgrVXASg
50:56 <progressive> [ Nicolás Maduro - ¿Esa es tu guía? (+Eng sub) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
52:58 <Tigger_> "Tell me an example of capitalism for all where there is no misery or poverty?"
53:44 <Tigger_> this is fairly typical leftist thinking (libertarian too), if something does not work 100% and 100% of the time, then it deserves to be smashed
57:08 <Warren1984> Allahu Arkbar Tigger_
00:02 <Marttinn> i repesct you
00:05 <Marttinn> res
05:24 <Tigger_> he was shocked by the Trump book, his skin would burn if he touched it
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14:47 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o doctor
15:47 <Marttinn> morning doctor
18:04 <Marttinn> here is some data that corroborate Nicolas point about capitalism being war https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPr5UpyWgAEknw5.jpg:large
23:21 <Tigger_> in 1950 all these countries were more white than they are now
33:05 <Tigger_> The shooter, believed to be of Middle Eastern appearance and dressed in black, launched an attack from the street, peppering the front of the building with bullets.
33:15 <Tigger_> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/parramatta-shooting-multiple-shots-fired-outside-police-hq-on-charles-street/story-fni0cx4q-1227554454582
33:15 <progressive> [ No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au ] - www.dailytelegraph.com.au
33:26 <Tigger_> capitalism :(
33:51 <Marttinn> he wont go to jail
35:39 <Abortion> The primary critisiscm leveled at capitalism is that the trickle down effect is not shown to work
35:56 Quit: Warren1984 ([email protected]) EOF from client
36:09 <Abortion> Which is why we have regulation
36:39 <Abortion> so the principle of the argument is sound, however, regulation muddies it entirely
36:55 <doctor> hey Marttinn
37:54 <Abortion> So essentially, what we have is a system which fits none of the strawmen that either side argues against
41:10 <Abortion> There was a thing on ABC radio a couple of weeks ago about the philosophy of equality (I think) and it mentioned that, surely it is better if everyone is net better off even if disparity exists. It is an argument that is integral for the trickle down model, and is contingient
41:18 <Abortion> If the system were pure capitalist, it would likely collapse
41:30 <Abortion> however, due to regulation (as I said earlier), trickle down does work
41:49 <Marttinn> either side? you mean the billionaire that will rather get more and the poor that aims to own a house &/or food?
42:04 <Abortion> I mean the left vs right on the economic spectrum
42:12 <Abortion> Keynesian vs classical
42:17 <Marttinn> ah ok
42:35 <Tigger_> it could be argued that easy divorce is the ultimate trickle-down regulation, wife divorces husband, gets his money to spend on shoes and manicures, helping many low income people
43:04 <Abortion> My guess is the trickle down is dependant entirely on the amount of regulation there exists. So what we could probably map is, a tradeoff between the trickle down and the burden of regulation
43:31 <Abortion> If we were able to quantify it properly, there would be a point in which both are maximised, at that point I would expect the most economic activity
44:07 <Abortion> However, without adequate metrics, it will continue to be an argument of ideology
46:13 <Tigger_> more seriously, there is a trickle down effect, but it is no longer directed at low income people in the west, such as Bill Gates spending several billion on various third world projects
47:01 <Abortion> Such philanthropy I don't think can be considered trickle down
47:04 <Tigger_> in the past the rich tended to be more locally oriented with regards to their charity, such as building hospitals
47:13 <Abortion> it refers mostly to generating employment
47:52 <Tigger_> philanthropy is a Veblen good, the same as a fancy car or house
48:17 <Tigger_> in all cases they enhance status
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50:52 <Warren1984> http://www.news.com.au/national/umpqua-community-college-shooting-why-australia-has-gun-laws/story-fncynjr2-1227553684334
50:53 <progressive> [ Umpqua Community College shooting: Why Australia has gun control ] - www.news.com.au
52:09 <Tigger_> the irony that they publish that article the very same hour that a muslim fires a gun at a police station in Sydney
55:32 <Warren1984> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant
55:32 <progressive> [WIKIPEDIA] Martin Bryant | "Martin John Bryant (born 7 May 1967) is an Australian mass murderer who pleaded guilty to murdering 35 people and injuring 23 others in the Port Arthur massacre, a shooting spree in Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia, in 1996. He is currently serving 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in..."
56:32 <Warren1984> Criminal penalty	35 life sentences + 1,035 years without parole
57:20 <Abortion> I'm guessing the corollary to that is the car and house generate employment but the overseas philanthropy does not. Further local philanthropy does. However the waters are muddied once again, due to regulation. The reason overseas philanthropy is chosen is due to the regulation. Because there are no local needs, funds are directed overseas.
57:20 <Abortion> So say we cut regulation (ie minimum wage laws), philanthropy becomes local again. If the power of the middle class is eroded, the rich will no longer have an audience with which to impress. A la places where disparity is much greater (China India Africa). As crime rates increase, there is increasingly a hostility to the lower classes.
57:32 <Abortion> The insularity of the upper class is such as they no longer have need for philanthropy, because they don't have a valid audience for their publicity.
57:32 <Abortion> When we say the past, do we mean the 70s? I am fairly sure the Unions in the US were actually strong then, there wasn't an issue with incomes then, so the philanthropy and living conditions are not tied. The reason I suspect that interest has gone overseas is due to the media. Never before have such imagery from remote locations been more available
59:43 <Warren1984> Psychological and psychiatric assessments[edit]
59:44 <Warren1984> Descriptions of Bryant's behaviour as an adolescent show that he continued to be disturbed and outlined the possibility of mental retardation. He was revealed to have extremely low intelligence, with an I.Q. of 66,[4] equivalent to an 11-year-old and in the bottom 1.17 percent of the Australian population. Further testing following his arrest indicated a verbal I.Q. of 64 and non-verbal
59:44 <Warren1984> reasoning and cognitive functioning of 68, giving a full scale I.Q. of 66, an age equivalent of 11 years in the 10th percentile (90% of 11 year olds would score higher).
59:44 <Warren1984> On leaving school Bryant was assessed for a disability pension by a psychiatrist who wrote: "Cannot read or write. Does a bit of gardening and watches TV... Only his parents' efforts prevent further deterioration. Could be schizophrenic and parents face a bleak future with him." Bryant received a disability pension, though he also worked as a handyman and gardener.[5]
59:44 <Warren1984> While incarcerated, Bryant was examined by court appointed psychiatrist Ian Sale, who diagnosed Bryant with Asperger syndrome. Psychiatrist Paul Mullen, hired at the request of Bryant's legal counsel, also examined Bryant. He found that Bryant was socially and intellectually impaired, but did not display signs of schizophrenia or a mood disorder. Mullen disagreed with Sale's analysis
59:44 <Warren1984> of Bryant; Sale believed that Bryant showed a combination of conduct disorder, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, and Asperger syndrome. Mullen concluded "Though Mr Bryant was clearly a distressed and disturbed young man he was not mentally ill."
00:58 <Abortion> Ah port arthur
01:11 <Abortion> I believe it was also considered a suprise as he was fairly good looking
01:31 <Abortion> Humans have a trust system which is erroneously based on appearance
03:20 <Warren1984> that is a good point Abortion
04:06 <Abortion> Well not really, its an aside that I just wanted to add
05:15 <Warren1984> Mullen concluded "Though Mr Bryant was clearly a distressed and disturbed young man he was not mentally ill.
06:03 <Abortion> Depends if you consider stupidity a mental illness though
06:56 <Abortion> Or otherwise, what is the difference between an mental illness and mental impairment
07:45 <Tigger_> the main audience for philanthropy is their own social circle, the same way most things calculated to impress are to enhance one's status within the peer group. so it's a sociological/cultural behaviour that has economic consequences. it is cultural changes that have shifted the favoured beneficiaries from one's own countrymen to anyone but one's own countrymen
08:01 <Warren1984> Bryant has provided conflicting and confused accounts of what led him to kill 35 people at the Port Arthur site on 28 April 1996. It appears that it could be his desire for attention, as he allegedly told a next door neighbour, "I'll do something that will make everyone remember me," as well as mounting frustration as his social isolation had made him unbearably angry.
08:20 <Tigger_> in some respects the more futile the charitable cause, the higher the status points that will accrue from it
08:24 <Abortion> One possible definition is illness is directly against the interests of society and impairment only against thte person
10:24 <Abortion> I'm not sure I agree. Primarily because of the media, once again. The media is written by the middle class (though may have oversight from someone richer), and the upper classes still read watch listen to mass media
10:56 <Abortion> When making judgements about a person of high standing in another circle, it is not as insular, so public sources are used
12:40 <Abortion> If the objective is to control the middle class, someone needs to have high appeal to them. Who you gonna call?
13:07 <Abortion> Not Gina Rhinehart, that for sure
14:08 <Abortion> Oh yes, Malcom Turnbull. People like him
16:38 <Abortion> Hmm
17:11 <Abortion> politics, I hadn't given that enough thought
18:12 <Abortion> The empowerment of the middle class isn't entirely economic
18:24 <Tigger_> if a billionaire was concerned about how the masses perceived them they'd probably hire a PR firm, while I'm sure a few have done that, most would care far more about their ranking amongst their peers, "I'm so rich I can afford an expensive foundation that aims to do virtuous but impossible things, thus achieving nothing"
18:40 Join: Lish ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
18:48 <Tigger_> wb Lish
19:03 <Lish> Thanks
19:18 <Lish> What's doing
19:54 <Abortion> like clive palmer?
20:30 <Abortion> I don't think clive palmer was trying to show off only to his billionare friends
20:37 <Abortion> though yes, PR firm
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21:00 <Tigger_> Clive is quite a bit more oriented towards the average person than most billionaires though
21:59 <Tigger_> Clive is quite a bit more oriented towards the average person than most billionaires though
22:00 <Abortion> and bill gates isn't?
22:00 <Tigger_> not at all
22:00 <Abortion> I don't see it
22:00 <Tigger_> the Gates Foundation is a great example of competitive status seeking
22:17 <Abortion> and bill gates isn't?
22:24 <Tigger_> not at all
22:54 <Abortion> I don't see it
22:55 <Tigger_> the Gates Foundation is a great example of competitive status seeking
24:00 <Abortion> in what respect?
24:18 <Abortion> in what respect?
25:00 <Abortion> As far as I can tell, it has an ideological agenda, its not just for status
25:00 <Abortion> Intellectual Property is the most well known
25:10 <Abortion> As far as I can tell, it has an ideological agenda, its not just for status
25:27 <Abortion> Intellectual Property is the most well known
26:00 <Tigger_> it may have that too, but status seeking is likely the primary goal
26:00 <Tigger_> it's not enough just to be exceedingly rich, you must build a pyramid
26:00 <Abortion> So who is it competing against?
26:12 <Tigger_> it may have that too, but status seeking is likely the primary goal
26:38 <Tigger_> it's not enough just to be exceedingly rich, you must build a pyramid
26:40 <Abortion> So who is it competing against?
27:00 <Abortion> oh you mean a legacy
27:00 <Tigger_> the foundation itself isn't in competition, but Bill Gates himself is in competition with other billionaires to flaunt billionaire's values
27:09 <Abortion> oh you mean a legacy
28:00 <Tigger_> the foundation itself isn't in competition, but Bill Gates himself is in competition with other billionaires to flaunt billionaire's values
29:00 <Tigger_> the goals of the foundation could have merit, or they could be completely foolish, it doesn't particularly matter, but so long as they are status enhancing projects
29:00 <Abortion> ok so we can no longer rely (though I don't think it ever has) on philanthropy for the trickle down effect, owing to the objective being to create a long lasting persona as opposed to actually helping people
29:21 <Tigger_> the goals of the foundation could have merit, or they could be completely foolish, it doesn't particularly matter, but so long as they are status enhancing projects
29:54 <Abortion> ok so we can no longer rely (though I don't think it ever has) on philanthropy for the trickle down effect, owing to the objective being to create a long lasting persona as opposed to actually helping people
31:00 <Tigger_> a hypothetical example, George Soros starts an NGO to pressure an African country to legalise gay marriage, the Gates Foundation one ups this by setting up a clinic in Africa to perform sex change operations for the poor
31:52 <Tigger_> a hypothetical example, George Soros starts an NGO to pressure an African country to legalise gay marriage, the Gates Foundation one ups this by setting up a clinic in Africa to perform sex change operations for the poor
32:00 <Abortion> lol sex change
32:00 <Lish> I am so excited to go to the beach tomorrow
32:00 <Abortion> Though, if it is a legacy, surely it still matters that the message gets out to the common man
32:00 <Tigger_> why are you excited, lish?
32:00 <Lish> Because the beach is fun
32:00 <Lish> And the sunshine is so good
32:14 <Abortion> lol sex change
32:22 <Lish> I am so excited to go to the beach tomorrow
32:29 <Abortion> Though, if it is a legacy, surely it still matters that the message gets out to the common man
32:32 <Tigger_> why are you excited, lish?
32:54 <Lish> Because the beach is fun
32:57 <Lish> And the sunshine is so good
33:00 <Tigger_> why is it fun?
33:00 <Abortion> huh, I hear an icecream van tune
33:08 <Tigger_> why is it fun?
33:22 <Abortion> huh, I hear an icecream van tune
34:00 <Lish> Because there's swimming
34:00 <Tigger_> I don't think they would eschew any positive perception from the common man, but it's not the primary goal
34:00 <Lish> And sand 
34:19 <Lish> Because there's swimming
34:20 <Tigger_> I don't think they would eschew any positive perception from the common man, but it's not the primary goal
34:21 <Lish> And sand
35:00 <Tigger_> there will also be competition from other females
35:00 <Lish> What competition?
35:27 <Tigger_> there will also be competition from other females
35:45 <Lish> What competition?
36:00 <Tigger_> competition for the hottest figure
36:00 <Lish> Oh I don't pay attention to that sort of stuff
36:00 <Abortion> no one ever does
36:29 <Tigger_> competition for the hottest figure
36:46 <Lish> Oh I don't pay attention to that sort of stuff
37:00 <Abortion> NO TRUE SCOTSMAN
37:00 <Tigger_> you certainly haven't paid much attention to the Kardashians
37:00 <Lish> What do you mean 
37:00 <Abortion> So the Kardashians are the Scottish?
37:00 <Abortion> (in this metaphorical example)
37:03 <Abortion> no one ever does
37:10 <Abortion> NO TRUE SCOTSMAN
37:23 <Tigger_> you certainly haven't paid much attention to the Kardashians
37:49 <Lish> What do you mean
37:50 <Abortion> So the Kardashians are the Scottish?
38:00 <Abortion> (in this metaphorical example)
38:00 <Tigger_> they're always competitive
38:00 <Lish> Oh yeah
38:39 <Tigger_> they're always competitive
38:51 <Lish> Oh yeah
39:00 <Abortion> lol looks like I got the no true scotsman the wrong way around
39:48 <Abortion> lol looks like I got the no true scotsman the wrong way around
40:00 <Tigger_> no true Scotsman is the follow up to "no Scotsman"
40:27 <Tigger_> no true Scotsman is the follow up to "no Scotsman"
41:00 <Tigger_> example: "No atheist would murder millions of innocent people like Christians do", "What about Stalin?", "No true atheist would murder millions of innocent people..."
41:56 <Tigger_> example: "No atheist would murder millions of innocent people like Christians do", "What about Stalin?", "No true atheist would murder millions of innocent people..."
42:00 <Abortion> atheism has nothing to do with morality though...
42:00 <Tigger_> it's just an example of a common No True Scotsman fallacy
42:34 <Abortion> atheism has nothing to do with morality though...
43:00 <Abortion> I didn't realise it was common
43:00 <Abortion> to me neither statement makes any sense
43:03 <Tigger_> it's just an example of a common No True Scotsman fallacy
43:28 <Abortion> I didn't realise it was common
43:35 <Abortion> to me neither statement makes any sense
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47:00 <wolframhart> Hey all
47:00 <Tigger_> or adding a bit of a switch "No Mac can ever get a virus like Windows constantly does." "But there are viruses for the Mac!" "They are not viruses, they are malware that require social engineering of the human operator" 
47:00 <Tigger_> hi xm
47:30 <wolframhart> Hey all
47:37 <Tigger_> or adding a bit of a switch "No Mac can ever get a virus like Windows constantly does." "But there are viruses for the Mac!" "They are not viruses, they are malware that require social engineering of the human operator"
47:43 <Tigger_> hi xm
48:00 <wolframhart> Spent your $50 voucher yet
48:00 <Tigger_> no not yet
48:00 <Abortion> That is technically correct. Those are classed as trojans. A virus or worm requires no operator intervention, and do exist
48:42 <wolframhart> Spent your $50 voucher yet
48:53 <Tigger_> no not yet
48:58 <Abortion> That is technically correct. Those are classed as trojans. A virus or worm requires no operator intervention, and do exist
49:00 <Abortion> Assuming the statement is true
49:25 <Abortion> Assuming the statement is true
51:00 <Abortion> I guess there is a fallacy though, a narrowing of definition
51:00 <Tigger_> in the first statement the assertion is implied to include social engineering malware, since that's the most likely way a Windows machine is going to be compromised, but it's only when the Mac partisan is confronted by evidence that he then resorts to a more specific definition
51:00 <Abortion> That may occur through a not agreed upon understanding of the definition of the term
51:09 <Abortion> I guess there is a fallacy though, a narrowing of definition
51:55 <Tigger_> in the first statement the assertion is implied to include social engineering malware, since that's the most likely way a Windows machine is going to be compromised, but it's only when the Mac partisan is confronted by evidence that he then resorts to a more specific definition
51:55 <Abortion> That may occur through a not agreed upon understanding of the definition of the term
54:00 <Tigger_> the first statement carries no specific definition though, it is broad as propaganda tends to be
54:00 <Tigger_> the narrower definition is then employed to uphold the propagandistic content of the first statement
54:23 <Tigger_> the first statement carries no specific definition though, it is broad as propaganda tends to be
54:49 <Tigger_> the narrower definition is then employed to uphold the propagandistic content of the first statement
55:00 <Abortion> By rendering it technically correct and thereby still a valid statement to be reused?
55:35 <Abortion> By rendering it technically correct and thereby still a valid statement to be reused?
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57:00 <Abortion> actually it is amusing that the two major mobile platforms, most of the threats are trojans
57:00 <Tigger_> well the opponent could go on to give other examples of Macs failing to be secure against network attacks that are broadly termed viruses, then the Mac advocate would define the statement down even more specifically, and so on
57:19 <Abortion> actually it is amusing that the two major mobile platforms, most of the threats are trojans
57:26 <Tigger_> well the opponent could go on to give other examples of Macs failing to be secure against network attacks that are broadly termed viruses, then the Mac advocate would define the statement down even more specifically, and so on
58:00 <Abortion> virus to mean common virus rather than targeted
58:18 <Abortion> virus to mean common virus rather than targeted
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00:00 <Abortion> The safest thing to say would be that it has less malware than windows, which is true, but doesn't sound as impressive
01:00 <Abortion> the statement it gets none also suggests architecural resistance, which is much shakier ground
01:00 <Tigger_> each to and fro between the advocate and opponent would whittle the ground beneath the opponent to the point of a very specific circumstance, that the Mac is definitely safe from, while Windows is not, but is such a tiny subset of possible security issues that it renders the technically correct statement fairly meaningless to an everyday user
01:02 <Abortion> The safest thing to say would be that it has less malware than windows, which is true, but doesn't sound as impressive
01:35 <Abortion> the statement it gets none also suggests architecural resistance, which is much shakier ground
01:37 <Tigger_> each to and fro between the advocate and opponent would whittle the ground beneath the opponent to the point of a very specific circumstance, that the Mac is definitely safe from, while Windows is not, but is such a tiny subset of possible security issues that it renders the technically correct statement fairly meaningless to an everyday user
02:00 <Tigger_> so though it's correct, it no longer has the same meaning as intended when first stated
02:00 <Abortion> which also goes away from the basis of truth in the propaganda that is not explicitly stated
02:00 <Abortion> Which I said, is that there is less malware
02:13 <Tigger_> so though it's correct, it no longer has the same meaning as intended when first stated
02:47 <Abortion> which also goes away from the basis of truth in the propaganda that is not explicitly stated
03:00 <Abortion> however, when on such a thread of argument, this becomes irrelevant
03:00 <Abortion> As to say so would be to admit defeat in the correctness of the original statement
03:05 <Abortion> Which I said, is that there is less malware
03:15 <Abortion> however, when on such a thread of argument, this becomes irrelevant
03:34 <Abortion> As to say so would be to admit defeat in the correctness of the original statement
05:00 <Tigger_> yes
05:20 <Tigger_> yes
08:00 <Lish> My house gets too cold
08:00 <Abortion> Almost seems to me like a strawman still (but a nice looking one rather than one you attack). The example given on wikipedia relates to taking sugar on cereal. For arguments sake, one could say that most scots do not take sugar, but for the sake of rhetorical flourish, an idealised version is created
08:00 <Abortion> Thats being optimistic though
08:00 <Abortion> it may be the case that there isn't even an element of truth behind it at all
08:14 <Lish> My house gets too cold
08:22 <Abortion> Almost seems to me like a strawman still (but a nice looking one rather than one you attack). The example given on wikipedia relates to taking sugar on cereal. For arguments sake, one could say that most scots do not take sugar, but for the sake of rhetorical flourish, an idealised version is created
08:51 <Abortion> Thats being optimistic though
09:06 <Abortion> it may be the case that there isn't even an element of truth behind it at all
10:00 <Tigger_> another example of No True Scotsman "A woman would never falsely claim to have been raped.", but then evidence transpires that a woman did falsely claim to have been raped, so to uphold the original statement, the caveat is added "While no woman would ever falsely claim to have been raped, some women are pressured by poverty and discrimination to seek social justice through narratives that speak to their plight."
11:00 <Tigger_> Lish, it's no longer hot?
11:00 <Abortion> A rhetoric for a notable truth
11:02 <Tigger_> another example of No True Scotsman "A woman would never falsely claim to have been raped.", but then evidence transpires that a woman did falsely claim to have been raped, so to uphold the original statement, the caveat is added "While no woman would ever falsely claim to have been raped, some women are pressured by poverty and discrimination to seek social justice through narratives that speak to their plight."
11:34 <Tigger_> Lish, it's no longer hot?
12:00 <Abortion> but if you then provided an instance of a rich woman doing that, they'd be forced further down a rabbit hole
12:00 <Abortion> which would get away from the central point
12:03 <Abortion> A rhetoric for a notable truth
12:37 <Abortion> but if you then provided an instance of a rich woman doing that, they'd be forced further down a rabbit hole
12:52 <Abortion> which would get away from the central point
13:00 <Lish> It's warm and nice outside
13:00 <Lish> But cold inside 
13:00 <Abortion> Seems that the only lesson today is to not make sweeping generalisations, lest you leave yourself open
13:30 <Lish> It's warm and nice outside
13:33 <Lish> But cold inside
14:00 <Abortion> Seems that the only lesson today is to not make sweeping generalisations, lest you leave yourself open
14:00 <Abortion> its a delicate balance, when you start using lots of apparently "weasel words" your argument seems to lose strength too
14:00 <Abortion> In some sense, it leaves it down to, who is better at picking holes than the other
14:00 <Abortion> a particular issue when there is very few actual statistics available
14:28 <Abortion> its a delicate balance, when you start using lots of apparently "weasel words" your argument seems to lose strength too
14:41 <Abortion> In some sense, it leaves it down to, who is better at picking holes than the other
14:56 <Abortion> a particular issue when there is very few actual statistics available
15:00 <Abortion> I guess this is why people are disillusioned with the court system
15:00 <Abortion> particularly with respect to a person hiring a wealthy lawyer against someone more mediochre
15:30 <Abortion> I guess this is why people are disillusioned with the court system
15:50 <Abortion> particularly with respect to a person hiring a wealthy lawyer against someone more mediochre
16:00 <Tigger_> you'd have to be very lucky to get a mediocre prosecutor, for any serious charge the prosecutors are very good
16:45 <Tigger_> you'd have to be very lucky to get a mediocre prosecutor, for any serious charge the prosecutors are very good
17:00 <Abortion> I was thinking mostly civil cases actually
17:00 <Tigger_> OJ Simpson was probably the most famous case of sheer luck of getting a mediocre prosecutor
17:44 <Abortion> I was thinking mostly civil cases actually
17:59 <Tigger_> OJ Simpson was probably the most famous case of sheer luck of getting a mediocre prosecutor
19:00 <Abortion> With respect to the criminal system, mediochre defending lawyers then
19:00 <Tigger_> yes, plenty of them
19:09 <Abortion> With respect to the criminal system, mediochre defending lawyers then
19:20 <Tigger_> yes, plenty of them
25:00 <Tigger_> http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/books/list-of-the-lost-by-morrissey-review-a2992951.html
25:00 <progressive> [ List of the Lost by Morrissey - review | Books | Lifestyle | London Evening Standard ] - www.standard.co.uk
25:00 <Tigger_> Has Morrissey been having us on? The former Smiths frontman’s debut novel List of the Lost has been universally shouted down but it’s so very, very bad that it’s almost good. Forget Eurovision, forget Celebrity Big Brother — this high-trash fiction is so unfeasibly awful that it’ll be a cult hit within weeks. 
25:41 <Tigger_> http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/books/list-of-the-lost-by-morrissey-review-a2992951.html
25:41 <progressive> [ List of the Lost by Morrissey - review | Books | Lifestyle | London Evening Standard ] - www.standard.co.uk
25:57 <Tigger_> Has Morrissey been having us on? The former Smiths frontman’s debut novel List of the Lost has been universally shouted down but it’s so very, very bad that it’s almost good. Forget Eurovision, forget Celebrity Big Brother — this high-trash fiction is so unfeasibly awful that it’ll be a cult hit within weeks.
29:00 <Ozone> lol
29:16 <Ozone> lol
34:00 <TonyLe> it will be a good way to gain insight into his mind
34:49 <+TonyLe> it will be a good way to gain insight into his mind
47:00 <Lish> Weirdos
47:00 <Lish> Always talking about such boring shit
47:47 <Lish> Weirdos
47:51 <Lish> Always talking about such boring shit
49:00 <ajnin> Hello all
49:00 <ajnin> Lishi got somrthing good to talk about
49:00 <ajnin> the fucking kids that were here today messed up my hats
49:00 <TonyLe> Lish how did you spend your holiday today
49:00 <ajnin> so I made them put line them all up
49:00 <TonyLe> did you go to the city and see all the football bogans
49:00 <ajnin> and i took a pic
49:09 <ajnin> Hello all
49:24 <ajnin> Lishi got somrthing good to talk about
49:37 <ajnin> the fucking kids that were here today messed up my hats
49:53 <+TonyLe> Lish how did you spend your holiday today
49:56 <ajnin> so I made them put line them all up
50:00 <Lish> lol funny 
50:00 <ajnin> not good as yours
50:00 <Lish> Good send me piccccccc
50:00 <ajnin> but still
50:00 <ajnin> i am uploading it now
50:00 <Lish> TonyLe I sat in the sun and then went out for a bit 
50:00 <Lish> Nothing major
50:00 <TonyLe> isit a public holiday for you again on Monday?
50:00 <Lish> No
50:00 <Lish> Just Friday 
50:01 <+TonyLe> did you go to the city and see all the football bogans
50:05 <ajnin> and i took a pic
50:08 <Lish> lol funny
50:11 <ajnin> not good as yours
50:12 <Lish> Good send me piccccccc
50:13 <ajnin> but still
50:19 <ajnin> i am uploading it now
50:29 <Lish> TonyLe I sat in the sun and then went out for a bit
50:31 <Lish> Nothing major
50:49 <+TonyLe> isit a public holiday for you again on Monday?
50:55 <Lish> No
50:58 <Lish> Just Friday
51:00 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/0dH2rTt
51:00 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
51:00 <ajnin> 40 caps
52:00 <ajnin> guess my Fav
52:00 <Lish> You love camo! They are awesome
52:00 <Lish> Ok
52:00 <Lish> Let me check
52:03 <ajnin> https://imgur.com/0dH2rTt
52:03 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
52:06 <ajnin> 40 caps
52:15 <ajnin> guess my Fav
52:53 <Lish> You love camo! They are awesome
52:53 <Lish> Ok
52:55 <Lish> Let me check
53:00 <ajnin> i blacked out the floor cause it was messy
53:00 <ajnin> clothes and running and shit
53:00 <ajnin> lol
53:00 <Lish> Oh which is your fav
53:11 <ajnin> i blacked out the floor cause it was messy
53:18 <ajnin> clothes and running and shit
53:19 <ajnin> lol
53:33 <Lish> Oh which is your fav
55:14 <ajnin> elemer fudd one
55:17 <ajnin> red and black
55:18 <ajnin> haha
55:21 <ajnin> love it
55:31 <ajnin> you can tell I like black and camo
55:55 <Lish> Now I want to put all mine out
56:03 <Lish> And take a picture
56:13 <Lish> I will do it
56:21 <Lish> But it'll take a second cause there's heaps
56:25 <Lish> I'll put all of ours
56:36 <+TonyLe> you have that many Lish?
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57:19 <+TonyLe> i dont even think i have a cap
59:54 <ajnin> i did not know I had so many
00:00 <ajnin> 40 is slightly more than I need
00:07 <ajnin> and I know I have at least 3 more
00:15 <ajnin> cause I always keep a cap in the boot of my cars
00:20 <ajnin> as a spare for a sunny day
00:26 <ajnin> cause I am too white
02:25 <Lish> I don't have as many I don't think
02:29 <Lish> And I'm missing some
02:32 <Lish> But here
03:11 <+TonyLe> ajnin: do you have UK heritage?
04:02 <Warren1984> Tigger_ don't be a monster to Lish
04:06 <Lish> http://imgur.com/DhItqkp
04:06 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
04:13 <Warren1984> TonyLe Sizzler at Morley
04:16 <Lish> I think my husband has his Yankees one on
04:23 <Lish> And I have some lakers ones
04:28 <Lish> Why am I being a monster
04:55 <+TonyLe> quite a few Bulls ones
05:13 <Lish> That's my husband
05:16 <Lish> I'm cavs he's Bulls
05:35 <+TonyLe> Bulls is so 90s
05:39 <+TonyLe> are they still any good?
05:51 <Lish> These are my cavs http://imgur.com/BJRL6hg
05:52 <progressive> [ Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ] - imgur.com
05:56 <Lish> They are ok make the play offs
06:33 <ajnin> TonyLe yes some
06:39 <ajnin> why is that
07:17 <+TonyLe> ajnin: some people from some parts of the UK are really pale and are sun sensitive
07:28 <+TonyLe> Warren1984: yeah?
07:35 <+TonyLe> what time
07:39 <ajnin> ahhhhh thats me alright
07:48 <Lish> Ajnin cares not for our caps!
07:49 <ajnin> Lish i really like the gray bulls hat
07:54 <Lish> Hahaha
08:01 <ajnin> i was getting to it
08:01 <Lish> One of them has a cork brim
08:02 <Lish> It's cool
08:09 <ajnin> but TonyLe asked me something..
08:14 <+TonyLe> the best cap is the HARLEM one
08:15 <ajnin> i read top to bottom
08:18 <ajnin> 1 thing at the time
08:58 <ajnin> i also like your gray cavs one
09:00 <+TonyLe> and lolllllll at the bottom right cap. so chav
09:05 <ajnin> the blackone is nice also
09:47 <Lish> I'm going to buy trucker caps this summer
09:58 <Lish> I've seen lots of real nice ones
11:06 <Lish> I need to get some hooks to hang these up a wall
11:15 <Lish> I have like 10 hooks I shove them all on
11:20 <ajnin> haha
11:24 <Lish> Well except the nice ones which I keep in lids bags
11:28 <ajnin> them door hangers are shit
11:33 <ajnin> also that was a well made bed
11:34 <ajnin> LOL
11:39 <ajnin> all stright and shit
12:14 <Lish> It's important to have a well made bed
12:26 <+TonyLe> ajnin do you go around walking with cargo pants and camo tops and cap
12:34 <Lish> I'm obsessed with it being flat
12:37 <Lish> With no wrinkles
12:48 <Lish> So if my husband sits on it after its made, I make him flatten it hahaha
12:56 <ajnin> hahaa
13:02 <ajnin> OCD kickign in
13:07 <Lish> Yuh bad
13:15 <ajnin> everyones got something :)
13:45 <Lish> I like the camo hats
13:48 <Lish> I'm going to get one
13:58 <+TonyLe> Lish: as an engineer i recommond you attach weights to each corner to keep it wrinkle-free
14:07 <Lish> lol
14:09 <Lish> It's an idea
14:21 <ajnin> camo was a few years ago
14:25 <ajnin> its sorta on the way out
14:29 <ajnin> but I am a bogan
14:32 <ajnin> so its ALWAYS in
14:40 <ajnin> more camo = more cool
14:42 <ajnin> in my world
14:48 <Lish> Hahahah
14:56 <Lish> I wanted to get duck dynasty camo clothes
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15:22 <ajnin> did you see the DD hat ?
15:33 <ajnin> second row
15:36 <ajnin> last to the right
15:47 <ajnin> HEY JACK! (si)
15:56 <ajnin> next to the lebo tapout cap
16:04 <Lish> Hey jack
16:07 <Lish> Hahahah
16:09 <Lish> Uncle Si
16:13 <Lish> Where did you get it
16:14 <ajnin> yeo!!!
16:18 <ajnin> USA :)
16:23 <ajnin> walmart
16:26 <ajnin> hahaa 9 bucks!
16:36 <Lish> I looked when we went to Walmart but couldn't find
16:52 <Lish> But I think I was in the wrong area
18:17 <ajnin> i was in the south
18:19 <ajnin> TExas
18:23 <ajnin> not really south
18:28 <ajnin> but close I guess
18:51 <Lish> Yeah I was in Seattle
18:55 <Lish> Way too far north
21:03 <ajnin> could have got a navina cap
21:04 <ajnin> lol
21:34 <Lish> By then I had too many
21:42 <Lish> Lugging those damn lids bags for weeks
25:08 <Warren1984> Lish
25:32 <ajnin> lol
25:47 <ajnin> they dont fit well in your lauggage
25:48 <Lish> http://www.lids.com/NBA/Cleveland-Cavaliers/20711749
25:49 <progressive> [ Cleveland Cavaliers Mitchell and Ness Camo/Black Mitchell and Ness NBA Ambush Fitted Cap | Lids.com ] - www.lids.com
25:52 <Lish> Warren
26:17 <Warren1984> have you divorced your husband yet?
26:22 <Lish> Not yet kid
26:38 <Warren1984> decisive action would bring you more self-confidence
26:44 <Warren1984> are you open to dating a woman who has a child?
26:55 <Lish> No
26:56 <Warren1984> Would you date a vegetarian?
26:57 <Lish> Are you
27:02 <Lish> No
27:10 <Warren1984> who has a child?
27:12 <Warren1984> not sure
27:26 <Warren1984> I guess I would need to stick around for a few years to decide
28:18 <ajnin> http://www.lids.com/NFL/Oakland-Raiders/20769190
28:19 <progressive> [ Oakland Raiders New Era Silver New Era 2015 NFL Draft Redux 9FIFTY Original Fit Snapback Cap | Lids.com ] - www.lids.com
29:56 <ajnin> I tink I am going to bed
30:00 <ajnin> here is an interesting fact
30:13 <Lish> Nice one
30:32 <ajnin> chinise people do not have words to distingish between cap, visor, hat, beenie
30:36 <ajnin> they just have 1 word
30:38 <Lish> Weird
30:41 <ajnin> that means head cover
31:01 <ajnin> they do have words for terbins and yaumicas
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32:00 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o xm
32:07 <Lish> Funny fact
32:53 <ajnin> the guy next to me is chinise
32:56 <ajnin> at work that is
33:06 <ajnin> always teaching me shit
33:06 <xm> well visors, beanies etc are fairly new in China
33:14 <xm> turbans and yarmulkes have been there for a while
33:15 <Lish> lol
34:20 <ajnin> http://www.theage.com.au/world/life-sentence-for-english-boy-who-helped-plan-melbourne-anzac-day-attack-20151002-gk0d74.html
34:22 <progressive> [ Life sentence for English boy who helped plan Melbourne Anzac Day attack ] - www.theage.com.au
34:22 <ajnin> fuck me
34:26 <ajnin> FUCK england
34:29 <ajnin> 14 yrs old
34:35 <ajnin> life sentense thats fucked
34:54 <ajnin> thoses 2 mother fukers who killed a child got out in less than 20
34:58 <ajnin> this cunt did fuck all
35:03 <ajnin> just being an internet hero
35:07 <ajnin> thats so fucking wrong
35:22 <Lish> But sometimes ppl who are internet heroes actually so things
35:28 <Lish> Like that guy today in America
35:47 <ajnin> yea killed 10 people
35:53 <ajnin> i sound like a nut job
36:03 <ajnin> but teh .gov has to be behind it
36:08 <ajnin> they want to ban guns
36:13 <Lish> Yes nut job
36:17 <ajnin> and now every month here is a killing
36:18 <Lish> They should ban guns
36:27 <Lish> America is mental
36:28 <ajnin> obiama is a fucking maggot
36:39 <ajnin> Lish HAHA we are worlds apart on this
36:49 <ajnin> Lish if tehre was no guns.. then YES 100% ban them
36:56 <ajnin> but there are too many guns in america
36:59 <ajnin> you cant ban them
37:07 <ajnin> also I support a armed people 100%
37:12 <Lish> It can reduce it though
37:14 <Lish> Ugh
37:15 <Lish> Dumb
37:36 <ajnin> whats dumb is they are not looking at why more and more people are loseing it
37:43 <Lish> Like literally the dumbest thing I've heard in a while
37:56 <Lish> People have been losing it for a long time
38:00 <ajnin> guns bring out lots of passion in people
38:00 <Lish> But guns are so accessible
38:06 <Lish> They now have something to help them
38:13 <Lish> It's very hard to mass stab someone
38:14 <ajnin> its either full pro or full against
38:19 <ajnin> not many people sit on the fence
38:28 <Lish> I'm completely against
38:37 <Lish> Guns are way too accessible
38:39 <ajnin> I am 100% pro
38:40 <Lish> More than ever before
38:43 <Lish> Hence the issues
39:15 <ajnin> the laws are getting more and more pro in america
39:21 <ajnin> more and more states are allowing open carry
39:34 <ajnin> I think that a good thing
39:34 <Lish> You don't need to carry
39:38 <Lish> It's ridiculous
39:44 <ajnin> but nut jobs have guns
39:47 <ajnin> thats the problem
39:50 <ajnin> its too late now
39:57 <Lish> But they shouldn't
39:58 <ajnin> Just say we found a new country
40:03 <Lish> Nah you could make an impact still
40:05 <ajnin> Lish thats right.. but they do
40:07 <Lish> It helped here
40:14 <ajnin> I would support a 0 gun law
40:31 <ajnin> Lish but it cost freedom
40:46 <Lish> Not really
41:20 <ajnin> Ben Frankin says its best I think
41:22 <ajnin> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
41:44 <ajnin> personal freedom and is essential
41:51 <Lish> You aren't free
41:55 <Lish> There's a huge book of laws
41:58 <Lish> You abide every day
42:03 <Lish> Owning a gun doesn't make you free
42:20 <ajnin> following just laws is being free
42:27 <ajnin> the problem is when the laws become unjust
42:36 <ajnin> and there is no armed people to stop the goverement
42:40 <ajnin> then we are fucked
42:44 <ajnin> and thats the end game here
42:49 <ajnin> not 10 or 20 years
42:50 <Lish> Hahahahaha
42:54 <Lish> You sound legit mental
42:54 <ajnin> I am talking 50 to 100 years
43:02 <Lish> Are you a prepper as well?
43:09 <ajnin> Lish sadly... yes
43:10 <ajnin> LOL
43:13 <xm> what's a prepper?
43:15 <ajnin> not full on
43:17 <xm> preparing for the end of the world?
43:18 <Lish> I knew there had to be something wrong with you
43:21 <Lish> Yes xm
43:22 <ajnin> but I have enough shit to last 2 weeks
43:28 <Lish> Hahahaha
43:28 <ajnin> Lish HAHAHAHAHA
43:29 <xm> Lish is disappointed now. thought she found the perfect guy
43:31 <xm> "oh well"
43:36 <ajnin> Lish like i said before everyone has something
43:40 <xm> "there's always something wrong with them!"
43:43 <ajnin> Lish you like nead beds...
43:44 <Lish> Xm haha yes
43:53 <ajnin> I am scared of the .gov and am a prepper
43:58 <Lish> Hahahahaha
43:58 <xm> Lish, you can work on curing skips. im sure if you tame him he'd be your perfect match
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44:13 <Lish> Guns aren't the answer
44:14 <xm> (cure him of the gay too)
44:23 <Lish> How many more kids have to die before America see's that
44:44 <ajnin> Lish stop sending them to wars
44:49 <ajnin> make them ware belts
44:55 <ajnin> ban booze and ciggis
44:58 <ajnin> all kill more than guns
45:07 <ajnin> where do you draw the line
45:17 <Lish> But people choose to do that to themselves in most cases
45:29 <Lish> Guns are inflicting violence on innocent bystanders
45:32 <ajnin> not really
45:58 <ajnin> most people want to protect their country on their soil
46:00 <Lish> People don't choose to join the forces? To drink?
46:03 <ajnin> not go and fight for Oil
46:15 <Lish> They know what they are getting into
46:19 <ajnin> people dont choose to get hit by a drunk dirver
46:30 <ajnin> Lish I think that is over simplifing things
46:37 <Lish> There are laws to try to prevent it though
46:46 <Lish> If you sign up for the forces, and complain about going to war
46:49 <Lish> Then you're a dumbass
46:54 <ajnin> there are laws to try and prevent guns getting to the wrong hands
47:08 <Lish> Very very relaxed ones
47:41 <ajnin> over all I think a country is stronger with an armed people
47:58 <ajnin> I think its part of why american became so strong
48:03 <Lish> Haha yes like America
48:04 <ajnin> and I think its what will end them
48:06 <Lish> They aren't strong
48:13 <Lish> They are literally fucked up
48:19 <ajnin> now..
48:23 <Lish> Everything about that country is horrible
48:26 <ajnin> but they were teh number 1 super poewr for awhile
48:30 <Lish> People are dying because they can't get health care
48:37 <Lish> People are shooting each other everywhere
48:47 <Lish> A good percentage are uneducated
48:48 <ajnin> and thats what the .gove needs to stop
48:50 <Lish> Live in poverty
48:52 <Lish> Are hungry
48:55 <Lish> It's ridiculous
48:57 <ajnin> they need to stop poverty
49:04 <Lish> America is the worst
49:14 <ajnin> stop the gap getting bigger between the rich and the poor
49:16 <Lish> The extremes between rich and poor are out of control
49:22 <ajnin> Lish 100%
49:29 <ajnin> if they can work out how to close that gap
49:30 <Lish> But strong gun laws are still important
49:37 <ajnin> then life for everyone gets better
49:37 <Lish> To stop innocent kids getting killed
49:45 <Lish> Because guns got into the hands of nutters
50:22 <ajnin> Lish Yes... but only at teh start
50:27 <ajnin> its too late now
50:38 <ajnin> and if you try and stop it your just fucking over the good people
50:48 <ajnin> its like giveing everyone 1kg of crack
50:53 <ajnin> and then 2 months later
50:54 <Lish> Good people don't need guns
50:56 <ajnin> banning crack
50:58 <ajnin> too late
51:02 <ajnin> everyone has crack...
51:05 <Lish> How many people legit use their guns to protect themselves
51:06 <ajnin> and wants crack
51:07 <Lish> No one
51:09 <Lish> That never happens
51:17 <ajnin> Lish never ?? HAHA
51:20 <ajnin> come on :p
51:53 <ajnin> good people need guns.. to stop bad people with guns
52:12 <Lish> That doesn't happen and isn't necessary
52:12 <ajnin> I think Australia has the balance about 95% right
52:27 <ajnin> but you cant do what we did here to the US
55:18 <ajnin> ok and now for some good news!!!
55:19 <ajnin> http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/music/kylie-minogue-christmas-album-is-real--and-iggy-pop-is-in-on-the-act-20151002-gk0cn6.html
55:20 <progressive> [ Kylie Minogue Christmas album is real - and Iggy Pop is in on the act ] - www.theage.com.au
57:19 <Warren1984> Allahu Arkbar
57:41 <Warren1984> Allahu Akbar
59:19 <Lish> I'm so disappointed in you ajnin
59:34 <Lish> lol
00:02 <ajnin> lol
00:20 <ajnin> differences is what makes the world such a special place
00:30 <Lish> It's awful
00:34 <Lish> Everyone should be like me
00:37 <ajnin> LOL
00:50 <ajnin> I will tell you think
00:56 <ajnin> if everyone had your will power
01:00 <ajnin> it would be a better place
01:20 <Lish> lol
01:32 <Warren1984> Allahu Akbar Lish
02:43 <Lish> Shut up warren
02:46 <Lish> Stop being an idiot
03:52 <xm> <Lish> I'm so disappointed in you ajnin <--- who
03:57 <xm> 's at the top o fthe list now?
03:59 <xm> Ivan?
04:32 <Lish> Yeah prob
04:40 <Lish> Bretty
06:04 <ajnin> ok
06:06 <ajnin> its 10 PM
06:11 <ajnin> cant find my phone
06:16 <ajnin> but I can hear it buzzing
06:18 <ajnin> going to bed
06:20 <ajnin> good night!!
06:53 <Lish> Night
06:59 <Lish> You should stay up later
09:24 Join: cita ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
11:21 <ajnin> its hard for me
11:26 <ajnin> so used to getting up at 5am
11:35 <ajnin> also 2 "big" days lol
11:39 <ajnin> poker yesterday
11:41 <ajnin> BBQ today
11:44 <ajnin> I am getting old
11:53 <Lish> Yeah true
12:40 <xm> how old ajnin ?
16:16 <Warren1984> where is my little t-banger
16:20 <Warren1984> ey xm
16:27 <xm> ey w-banger
16:30 <Warren1984> lol
16:35 <xm> can i call you wanger for short
16:35 <Warren1984> Lish-banger
16:41 <Warren1984> lol
17:52 <Warren1984> If they want to stop the refugees, Asad and the ISIS there is 1 solution -> nukes
18:23 <Warren1984> but then they would have to kill all the muslims in western countries
32:32 Quit: Lish ([email protected]) Connection closed
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43:59 <Warren1984> According to analysis by The Guardian, the rigging of emissions tests may have added nearly 1 million tonnes of air pollution annually — more than 24 times the total output of western Europe’s biggest power station.
16:00 Quit: Ethanol ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
16:36 <Marttin> Warren would you consider your next car to be moved by hydrogen or electricity?
19:45 <Warren1984> not sure m-banger
20:10 <Warren1984> lets make a team to destroy diesel vechicles
21:13 <Warren1984> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzCWDkjUK3w
21:14 <progressive> [ VW EMISSIONS SCANDAL - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
23:07 Join: Lish ([email protected]) to #politicaldebate
23:14 <xm> wb Lish
23:30 <Lish> Ta
23:59 <xm> does your work ever work on mobile apps?
24:42 <Lish> Nope
24:45 <Lish> Mobile sites
24:48 <Lish> Responsive
25:52 Quit: Ozone ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
26:22 <Warren1984> xm check out this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzCWDkjUK3w
26:23 <progressive> [ VW EMISSIONS SCANDAL - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
29:38 <Warren1984> then end bit is funny
29:43 <Warren1984> das auto
29:48 <Warren1984> das shit
31:43 Quit: xm ([email protected]) Quit: This statement is false.
42:18 <Marttin> Warren recently a diesel became the most selled car in japan
42:43 <Marttin> In the month I mean
43:26 <Marttin> Lish was very SJW/proletarian today
44:53 <Marttin> Often people go for diesel because if you do many kms on highways its cheaper
46:20 <Marttin> but oil motors also pollute, the problem with VW is that they didnt implement whatever they needed to make the dirt lesscdangerous
48:33 <Marttin> This was implemented recently in europe, before the VW case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
53:39 <Marttin> Anyway 10 years from today easily over 50% of cars sold in europe will be either fully electric or with a range of 60km
53:54 <Marttin> Over
54:54 <Marttin> since every single goverment makes the european pay 2/3 of the total price in taxes
55:39 <Warren1984> [21:42] <Marttin> Warren recently a diesel became the most selled car in japan <- which one
56:02 <Marttin> Mazda cx3 or something
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