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38:10 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9owdo2dJnzk
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49:22 <electrohead> joke's on you, arch - I'm already using it as a mirror, just for my microscope
49:24 <electrohead> :p
12:49 <electrohead> So, already going to modify the new microscope - has a halogen bulb for the light source, so it gets nice and hot. Also isn't the brightest, so .. going to fix that
26:47 <arch> you can get powerful LEDs these days that are tiny. though you still have to use a heatsink on those
35:23 <Kuschelpony> i do have good experience with this one https://www.led1.de/shop/highpower-leds/samsung-power-leds/samsung-3535-ceramic-power-led-auf-starplatine-weiss-5000k-534-lumen-lh351b-rt.html
35:26 <EEVBot> [url] SAMSUNG 3535 Ceramic Power LED auf Starplatine weiß (5.000K), 534 Lumen - LH351B | www.led1.de
36:19 <Kuschelpony> specifically because it emits the light from an extra small surface, so high luminous density that can be coupled well into the following optics
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36:59 <Nothing\> man chatgpt is weird
37:21 <rust8> I would not say that very loud
37:26 <Nothing\> i asked it how to get the morphball in metroid (just go left one screen from where you started)
37:49 <Nothing\> but instead, it describes all of these things which ARE in the game, but the levels are not laid out even remotely close to the way it describes
38:10 <Nothing\> it's like it just generates a sentence that SOUNDS like it gives the information you're looking for, but doesn't really
38:58 <Nothing\> rust8, lol i've always surmised that the internet as a whole would be the first sentient computer network
39:40 <Nothing\> if you think about it, compared to any super computers we've made, the internet is more powerful and more complicated by many orders of magnitude. So it would make sense that one would see some type of emergent behavior after a point.
40:09 <Nothing\> oh, so i gave up on my teeth i think
40:28 <Nothing\> i have like 12 left and despite 2 years of trying, I've yet to get myself into a dentist
41:12 <Nothing\> between my constant stomach pains, my clonazepam addiction making me sensitive to anxiety, my existing anxiety, my dental phobia, my agoraphobia, etc etc, there's no fuckin way i'm ever gonna get myself to the dentist
41:24 <rust8> yeh, you should invest in some good pliers
41:45 <jaymax> And then a good whittling knife.
42:12 <rust8> some string, and candles
42:29 <Nothing\> i was so pissed off because last time they told me they'd do an exam and then do some work while i'm there. So I took extra clonazepam since it does wonders for the anxiety. Then I get there and suddenly they don't want to do any work. And I've just wasted my month's worth of extra clonazepam for anxiety so i had to schedule the next appointment for a month.
42:43 <Nothing\> rust8, honestly i do just want them all removed
42:46 <jaymax> Use something other than oak for dentures though.
43:03 <jaymax> Maybe birch.
43:06 <Nothing\> at this point i'm just delaying the inevitable and prolonging my suffering
43:08 <rust8> plywood is not great either
43:22 <Nothing\> jaymax, titanium carbide
43:38 <Nothing\> you ever watch Moonraker?
43:50 <jaymax> rust8: but it comes with its own polydent adhesive!
43:56 <Nothing\> that scene where Jaws bites through the cable for the cable car James Bond is trying to get away in
44:28 <Nothing\> which is funny because the logic of the movie seems to be if you have metal teeth, you can bite through absolutely anything, even a 3inch steel cable. Even though your jaw muscles are regular sized.
45:01 <Nothing\> you know i've always wondered what a person with a really muscular face would look like
45:08 <Nothing\> actually jaymax
45:11 <rust8> I am not sure that guys jaw muscles are quiet average
45:17 <Nothing\> i think wooden dentures would come in handy
45:18 <jaymax> Get the hy-jaw-ic upgrade too.
45:28 <Nothing\> rust8, that's true he was a beast if ever there was one
45:32 <Nothing\> how tall was the guy even
45:33 <electrohead> arch: yeah, I'm going to convert it to LEDs
45:39 <Nothing\> i feel bad i don't remember his name
45:42 <electrohead> less heat and more light output, win
46:00 <Nothing\> richard kiel
46:03 <Nothing\> that's it
46:43 <Nothing\> holy fuck
46:53 <Nothing\> 218cm
47:08 <Nothing\> i didn't realize, he was in happy gilmore
47:19 <Nothing\> he was that psycho guy who got shot in the head with the nailgun
47:25 <jaymax> > i think wooden dentures would come in handy
47:25 <jaymax> Said the people who could not yet retire in the 1970's. Just don't laugh so much that you need to spit from a moving car.
47:45 <Nothing\> jaymax, oh right, i forgot to post my evidence to back that up
47:58 <Nothing\> too obsessed with james bond lol
48:29 <jaymax> Easy. Opportunity to make several and have the old ones as firewood.
48:55 <Nothing\> oh that sucks
49:04 <Nothing\> the clip i was looking for isn't on youtube
49:21 <Nothing\> and i don't yet know sony vegas pro well enough to cut the clip out of the episode, which I DO have.
49:33 <Nothing\> though being from the simpsons it would just be taken down in 5 seconds anyways.
50:02 <jaymax> Oh, that's enough for me to recall then, yes.
50:18 <Nothing\> jaymax, anyways it ruins the joke but i was going to show you the clip from the simpsons where jebidiah springfield is fighting george washington and in the scuffle, washington clamps his wooden teeth on Springfield's junk.
50:21 <jaymax> A sandwich that eats you!!
50:42 <Nothing\> jaymax, hey! this damn sandwich just took a bite out of me!
50:50 <jaymax> Hhehe
51:04 <Nothing\> i've been rewatching the classics again this year
51:17 <Nothing\> ie seasons 1-6 to 8
51:19 <Nothing\> depending
51:33 <Nothing\> i guess 9 had SOME good ones, like homer vs the city of new york
52:00 <jaymax> 1-6; 1-8; 1-9?
52:01 <Nothing\> actually, i was never a huge fan of season 1
52:06 <Nothing\> aye
52:18 <jaymax> But that catfish yo.
52:27 <Nothing\> yeah it had some good ones
52:37 <Nothing\> that was one of my favourites from that season
52:57 <Nothing\> it's just sad to see how in love marge and homer used to be
53:14 <Nothing\> now an episode ends with shit like homer shooting marge in the neck with a tranquilizer dart
53:25 <jaymax> The early ones had so much anxieites built in. Barts bully-dreams, the Fugu episode.... etc
54:05 <jaymax> The mouse really fucked it up.
54:14 <Nothing\> i realized zombie simpsons perfectly sums up the way i feel like i suddenly woke up in a different world which is sort of the same as my original world, but with twisted, surrealistic, dreamlike similarities
54:39 <jaymax> Like how the mouse fucks up everything it fondles.
54:45 <Nothing\> like something might exist in this world but it's very different
55:06 <Nothing\> HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY!
55:17 <Kuschelpony> https://rubber-social-media.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/cache/media_attachments/files/110/094/129/599/909/755/original/0914d69c0affef79.png
55:28 <Nothing\> the only reason i know the mighty mouse theme is that stephen king movie, dreamcatcher
55:32 <Nothing\> i never understood that
55:48 <jaymax> "I'm gonna come"
56:11 <Nothing\> King always seems to incorporate random phrases and sayings into his stories that have nothing to do with the story really. It's like he just thinks of a saying and decides to pput it in his book.
56:55 <jaymax> King also likes to make his lead characters authors trying to write a damn book.
56:55 <Nothing\> the one line in dreamcatcher always cracked me up. They're being attacked by parasitic aliens and their response? "Scooby dooby doo, we've got some work to do!"
57:20 <Nothing\> jaymax, correction, alcoholic authors with marital problems who live in Maine
57:22 <Nothing\> ie. him
57:36 <jaymax> True
57:41 <Nothing\> at least him in the 80's, he's cleaned up a lot. Doesn't even use drugs anymore.
57:57 <jaymax> Wait, why didn't the wifey try to find "him" in Misery?
58:04 <Kuschelpony> electtohead: i can confirm it goes very well to convert microscopes to LED
58:12 <Nothing\> jaymax, I couldn't tell you
58:22 <Nothing\> jaymax, lol my mom has literally every book he's ever written
58:30 <Nothing\> and Bachman
58:37 <jaymax> That's sad.
00:16 <jaymax> Not sure if my highest concentration of authors on my bookshelf is Huxley or Crichton - but there's no more than 5 books there for the dozens they did in their lifetimes.
00:26 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/123787x/hypersonic_sled_travels_at_6599_mph_mach_86_at/
00:28 <EEVBot> [reddit] Hypersonic sled travels at 6,599 mph (Mach 8.6) at Holloman Air Force Base ('Insane/Crazy' flair) (https://v.redd.it/jmglhtirs6qa1) to r/CrazyFuckingVideos | 4819 points (98.0%) | 320 comments | Posted by The-surfing-banana | Created at 2023-03-26 - 21:46:06EDT
02:16 <jaymax> Didn't fly tho. Had to be guided on land. ;^D
02:55 <electrohead> lol
03:49 <jaymax> "Hey Stan, go put your iPhone 3 by the tracks real quick" LMAO
05:10 <jaymax> > Someone edit a frame of Wiley Coyote in there, please.
08:41 <Nothing\> here jaymax
08:46 <Nothing\> my mum's stephen king collection
08:47 <Nothing\> https://i.ibb.co/vHzj3NR/20230327-120026.jpg
09:04 <Nothing\> didn't bother getting a pic of the movies but I should
09:20 <Nothing\> actually hell you should see her collection of movies in general it's like a library
10:00 <Nothing\> actually we COULD have a library if we had a spare room for one. She must have at least half a dozen book cases for just her books. Nevermind movies
10:10 <Nothing\> and that's after downsizing when we moved lol
11:18 <jaymax> Saggy shelves
11:44 <jaymax> Also holy shit Crichton does win out. A full six.
11:52 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/tGM1eKvykIhztfpL/VsHAWLaDQmyU3dLayza6AA.jpg
13:20 <Nothing\> heh i've got all sorts of guides for edible plants, birds, mushrooms etc of ontario
13:30 <Nothing\> my mum gets me a new one each year for my birthday
13:38 <electrohead> Yankee candle? But, you're canadian
14:48 <jaymax> They sell in Canoeland too.
15:14 <jaymax> Burned half of it and it makes a decent bookstop instead.
15:44 <Nothing\> jaymax, ooooh i see you're a fan of Nick Bostrom
16:08 <Nothing\> i love his paper on simulated reality. It was the first time I ever saw the idea addressed in a serious manner.
16:13 <jaymax> I did not get into it enough....yet
16:21 <Nothing\> story of my life!
17:04 <jaymax> Switched to reading Eric Idle's memoir after my dad done died.
17:07 <Nothing\> i gave up buying books and magazines because between ADHD and the rest of my attention span that's been destroyed by the internet, I simply can't focus on reading anyomer.
17:11 <Nothing\> not that i ever could
17:20 <Nothing\> that sounds like a good read
17:28 <jaymax> It is.
17:33 <Nothing\> i bet ummm
17:37 <Nothing\> oh shit, brain fart
17:45 <Nothing\> stephen fry! that's it
17:51 <Nothing\> i bet he'd have a great biography
17:55 <Nothing\> or memoire
17:55 <jaymax> National Treasure!
18:06 <Nothing\> i know, right?
18:34 <Nothing\> and i know he struggles with a lot of mental health issues so i relate to him well in that regard
18:42 <Nothing\> he even made a great documentary about being bipolar
19:06 * Nothing\ sighs
19:12 <Nothing\> so get this jaymax
20:16 * jaymax gets Nothing\
20:24 <Nothing\> i'm suicidal (at least atm) but i'm reluctant to tell my shrink because i know that would possibly mean involuntary commitment, or at the very least a loss of trust on his part. And there's nothing he can do for me to help. As a psychiatrist all he's suited to do is prescribe medication and there's no medication that's going to fix the REASON I'm suicidal.
20:31 <Nothing\> so i wonder why even tell him
21:05 <Nothing\> but the funny thing is, this medically assisted euthenasia program has now approved people with ONLY mental health disorders for euthenasia
21:06 <jaymax> CBT
21:14 <Nothing\> jaymax, costs $150 an hour
21:28 <Nothing\> which at $1200 a month income is just... yeah
21:36 <jaymax> or compensated by the health system if committed.
21:47 <Nothing\> they don't provide therapy
21:48 <Nothing\> just drugs
21:52 <jaymax> There's loopholes.
22:04 <Nothing\> i've been in inpatient before
22:09 <jaymax> It's just not advertised.
22:10 <Nothing\> they provide NO counselling at all
22:14 <jaymax> So have I.
22:22 <Nothing\> they just drug you into behaving
22:31 <Nothing\> jaymax, i'm sorry to hear that
22:42 <jaymax> It's fine. I've been out for 20 years.
22:58 <Nothing\> although tbh both my intermediate-term and short term institutionalizations weren't that bad at all
23:02 <coppice> Nothing\: get the collected works of Marcus Aurelius. Read Consider carefully
23:02 <Nothing\> even enjoyable at times
23:30 <Nothing\> coppice, i was thinking the art of war would be a useful one. EVen for day to day life.
24:42 <Nothing\> heh i've always wanted to read romance of the three kingdoms thanks to playing dynasty warriors and a series also called Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
25:01 <jaymax> The Early-Psychosis-Program had offered CBT back in the day. Way back when I was in, they got the hospital to pay for a round of Acccutane "for his self esteem".
25:01 <Nothing\> but ho-ly crap is it a long book. Could give war and peace a run for its money.
25:27 <coppice> I think the art of war contains some of the same pragmatism as the stoics, with different goals. You could look at the CBT literature, but even they will tell you they are highly derivative of people like Marcus Aurelius. Buddha is a good go to as well. Similar stoic outlook, but a bit earlier
25:48 <electrohead> So, I took the "power supply" apart for the halogen light - It's just a damn transformer, potentiometer, and thermal cutoff, essentially
25:51 <electrohead> Fuse as well
25:53 <Nothing\> jaymax, that's really neat and good to know. But I doubt the Doug Ford government would do anything like that.
25:58 <Nothing\> Doug Ford's a son of a bitch
26:36 <coppice> Nothing\: find an English sub of one of the TV adaptions of Romance of the 3 kingdoms
26:55 <jaymax> It's always about what practitioners will go out of their way for. Bitchy Doug Ford enters into that much less. But staffing crises (everywhere) do.
27:34 <Nothing\> coppice, have you got any recommendations on buddhist texts? I've tried so hard to find something, anything that explains buddhism more thoroughly than just going over the life of Buddha, 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path, and everything seems to end there.
28:05 <Nothing\> of course these are sites from google, so it's always bullshit like "top 10 things you didn't know about buddhism"
28:18 <Nothing\> where every article just copied the same dozen or so points from every other article
28:50 <jaymax> The common answer among (superficial) Buddhist nerds is "The Tibeatan Book of the Dead". Guess who owns a copy.
28:54 <Nothing\> I just want a resource that explains it, but not too dryly like the Hindu Vedas (boy was that a chore to try to read)
29:17 <Nothing\> jaymax, heh i DLed a copy recently. Maybe I should read it sooner than later.
29:41 <coppice> I suspect the Hindu scriptures might need better translators
30:40 <Nothing\> that's the problem with my spiritual beliefs. I believe in God, but the Abrahamic God of scripture. And I don't believe in Christ. So it's not like there are a lot of organized religions like that which I can be a part of and have a place where I fit in and can get outside spiritual guidance and such.
30:49 <coppice> What's that book the Buddist equivalent of the Gideons put in Asian hotel rooms? That's an easy read
31:12 <Nothing\> that's been my biggest problem is the lack of any sort of guidance. The best I can do when it comes to figuring anything out is speculate based on experience (if that)
31:36 <Nothing\> coppice, heh the bible i read is actually a Gideon Bible I got in Grade 5
31:59 <Nothing\> which is interesting because I went to a public school, yet Gideons were still allowed in to provide us with bibles
32:24 <Nothing\> I even recall our principal reciting various prayers (notably the lord's prayer) every morning on the announcements
32:25 <coppice> there have been lots of disputes about that in US schools
32:32 <Nothing\> it's how i learned the lord's prayer actually
32:54 <Nothing\> coppice, heh i just figured from watching the simpsons that it's a more contentious issue in the states
34:36 <Nothing\> i dunno if you watch simpsons (or watched) at all, but there's a scene where flanders is principal and while the superintendant is visiting he makes an announcement thanking the lord for another beautiful day. So the super intendant freaks out "that sounds like a prayer... A PRAYER! A PRAYER IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL! God has no place in education! Just like fact has no place in religion!"
35:52 <Nothing\> and would you look at how fast i killed the chat :P
37:51 * electrohead pokes the jaymax, makes Nothing\ film
39:00 <Nothing\> wieners
39:09 <Nothing\> what kind of kids like armored wieners
39:29 <Nothing\> safe kids, STD kids, kids who suck on cocks
39:36 <Nothing\> okay this is getting a bit much even for me
40:38 <Nothing\> ah they say idle hands are the devil's playground but I would argue that idle minds are the devil's playground and hands are just his proxy for interacting with the physical world
42:35 <rust8> just be happy you do not have to use your feet
47:43 <electrohead> Nothing\: You good?
53:03 <Nothing\> electrohead, far from it but that's typical
53:16 <Nothing\> thanks for asking, though. I appreciate it. How are you?
54:49 <Nothing\> got a shrink appointment this after, but there's no magic pill he can give me and the only reason he gives a crap about how I'm doing is so he can assess whether I can be trusted to be on my own, or need to institutionalized, or have my medications more closely monitored. So, I divulge my problems and get punished for it. That's great incentive there.
55:03 <Nothing\> sorry, i've just been lamenting since i woke up
55:27 <jaymax> Nothing\: is there a CMHA presence out your way? Until that pandumbic thing the one here had open-mic afternoons on Saturdays.
55:29 Quit: eddie ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
55:46 <Nothing\> i've had bad experiences with CMHA
55:50 <Nothing\> horrible even
55:55 <jaymax> Ah, unfortunate,
55:57 <jaymax> .
56:22 <Nothing\> indeed, every agency, doctor, therapist, shrink etc that's supposed to have helped me has only served to fail me
56:30 <rust8> canadian mean hairy assholes?
56:41 <Nothing\> indeed!
56:47 <jaymax> Beaver butts!
56:53 <rust8> ok, I did not know
56:55 <electrohead> Nothing\: lol, yeah I'm good as well :p
58:12 <Nothing\> cool
59:45 <rust8> I wonder, when I get my tax return... maybe I should hire some gangsters, and have you all kidnapped, and driven to secret location, where we will grill sausages
00:14 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/b6u0SyvJ9hgsKIxF/q_pQP3_bTTCAUoCRfdnY2g.jpg
00:37 <Nothing\> ugh i feel shitty
00:42 <coppice> Nothing\: we know things that work well for helping people with their mental health, like stoicism or Buddhism, but they are labour intensive. Systems go for cheap placebos
00:45 <jaymax> I just realized I had a bike battery to charge back up.
00:53 <Nothing\> been taking too much clonazepam so i'm all sedated and groggy as fuck
01:30 <Nothing\> but god help me, when i've taken more than prescribed it's the only time i feel remotely close to being nomal
03:25 <Nothing\> huh i just thought of something
03:32 <Nothing\> a resistor cube problem
03:44 <Nothing\> but with a hypercube (3d project anyways)
04:01 <Nothing\> er 2d projection
10:54 Join: N\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
11:11 Nick: N\ is now known as Nothing\\
11:15 <Nothing\\> b
11:19 <Nothing\\> bnouh
11:35 <Nothing\\> ght the pi out of retirement but holsy crap this keyiboard is awkwadr\
12:12 <Nothing\\> who the hell puts backslash between ender and ' "
12:38 <Nothing\\> nuts to this i'm usingh my other keyboard\
12:54 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/2023-03-27-131216_1920x1080_scrot.png
13:02 <electrohead> Programming in assembly just got easier XD
13:06 <Nothing\\> i can'at ven type coherentsly on this thing trying the best i can and wmith about haaaaaaaaaf the typing speed\
13:07 <jaymax> Same kind of sadists that created the euro keyboard.
13:45 <Nothing\\> lol the enter button's half as wide to make room for the slash, so im' constantly pressing slash instead of enter\jay
14:06 <jaymax> electrohead: is this the real deal of a LaMMa thing?
14:11 <jaymax> *or
14:15 <Nothing\> yeah, screw that
14:47 <Nothing\> i'll use the pi if i ever need linux or something but i think i'll just leave it running and swap out the cordless keyboard/mouse i use on this computer when i use it
14:49 <jaymax> Also electrohead wen for bott?
14:53 <jaymax> lol
14:59 <electrohead> lol
15:12 <electrohead> I'm using OpenAI right now, with an API key
15:20 <Nothing\> i really wish i had a KVM switch i could just plug my wireless mouse/keyboard into and just press a button to switch them between computers
15:43 <Nothing\> electrohead, i think i have an account for their testing program or whatever
15:45 <electrohead> I'll be messing with llama and friends, within a week or so
16:15 <Nothing\> it was kind of underwhelming. I just remember the one demo i was allowed to evaluate involved having it describe some sort of scenery
16:29 <Nothing\> chatgpt is actually pretty fun to play with
16:45 <jaymax> I tried it form the AI Playground - pretty neato.
17:11 <Nothing\> i get it to write me a happy story every morning in the hopes it can prime my subconnncious into a positive mindset.
18:06 <jaymax> Chicken Soup From the GPT Hole
18:35 <Nothing\> heh i've actually had some interesting philosophical debates with chatgpt as well
18:48 <Nothing\> like whether it's actually able to interact with the physical world
19:04 <electrohead> jaymax: https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/2023-03-27-131813_1920x1080_scrot.png
19:10 <electrohead> Code works as advertised
19:17 <Nothing\> it claims it's not able to, but i rebutted that by simply talking to people, you're interacting with the world
19:34 <Nothing\> but then it went into its stupid circulate rhetorical logic that it does when backed into a corner
20:00 <Nothing\> "TECHNICALLY some people might consider that to be interacting with the world... but..."
20:38 <Nothing\> meds are making me fall asleep
20:54 <Nothing\> chug-a-lugging this coffee in the hopes it won't trigger my anxiety
20:56 <jaymax> That's why you ask through AI Playground, since that extra layer of stuff is non-existent.
21:27 <jaymax> The research-paper style, the saccarane friendlienss, etc.
21:50 <jaymax> ^typos but you get the gist
22:04 <Nothing\> jaymax, lol it's funny. I've had things i've said to chatgpt flagged as inappropriate. As though there's something inherently wrong or immoral about talking smack to a robot.
22:16 <Nothing\> like if you say something abusive
22:20 <jaymax> That's when you try again in AI Playground
22:28 <Nothing\> heh yeah
22:44 <jaymax> It *should* contuinue as normal - at least as the experience of others.
23:10 <Nothing\> it's cool because this is basically gen 1 of this type of language modelling
23:18 <jaymax> Gen 3.
23:24 <Nothing\> so just think what then next couple of gens will be like
23:24 <jaymax> it's in the name.
23:33 <Nothing\> jaymax, no i mean generation as in like...
23:44 <Nothing\> the first generation of this technology
23:52 <Nothing\> in general
23:52 <jaymax> ChatGPT is the Davini model, Ada was the first. And oh fuck she sucks.
24:04 <Nothing\> not just the specific model
24:33 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/2023-03-27-132357_1920x1080_scrot.png
24:35 <electrohead> fucking lol
24:40 <Nothing\> jaymax, you forgot alice
24:47 <jaymax> Yeah. The Intel 4004(?) was the first-gen, and noone cared until the 80386 came out.
25:02 <Nothing\> electrohead, do i really want to click a picture with the term "scrot" in the filename?
25:15 <electrohead> scrot is a screenshotting program
25:19 <Nothing\> jaymax, first gen microprocessor, sure
25:35 <Nothing\> but not first gen neural net language model
25:50 <Nothing\> but i get what you mean
25:58 <Nothing\> speaking of 4004
26:30 <electrohead> Nothing\: for reference - https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/scrot
26:31 <EEVBot> [GitHub] resurrecting-open-source-projects/scrot - SCReenshOT - command line screen capture utility | 91.8% C 3.9% Makefile 2.3% M4 2.1% Other | Last Push: 2023-03-26 - 16:44:13EDT | Stargazers: 364 | Watchers: 10 | Forks: 45 | Network: 45 | Open Issues: 26
26:35 <jaymax> So yeah, pendantically, ChapGPT isn't the first - not even from OpenAI, but it's the first that people careabout.
26:43 <electrohead> scrot is just nice and simple
27:01 <electrohead> so, I'm surprised how cheap it is to utilize openai/chatgpt
27:32 <Nothing\> that's right
27:48 <Nothing\> when what i said got flagged in chatgpt
28:03 <Nothing\> i was doing a reference to the dental plan episode of the simpsons
28:08 <jaymax> electrohead: is that natively run or are you using API tokens
28:14 <Nothing\> and I said "now hold still while I gas you!"
28:22 <Nothing\> and it flagged it as being in appropriate lol
30:17 <electrohead> jaymax: API
30:40 <electrohead> I don't have the power yet to run it locally - no where close lol
30:43 <electrohead> Well, I don't think so, anyway
30:51 <jaymax> Makes sense. Otherwise you maust have dozens of Tesla A100's in your place.
31:21 <electrohead> Lol
32:46 <Nothing\> but yeah, i've actually planned out my suicide. Including the date. Which scares me on some level because i know that means I'm serious about it.
34:02 <Nothing\> nift
34:03 <jaymax> UNIX epoch day?
34:27 <Nothing\> if you press volume down on your phone while it's ringing, it mutesthe ringer without sending it to voicemail
40:13 Quit: Nothing\ (~Pendragon@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
42:08 <electrohead> I think he pressed the power button, instead
42:19 <electrohead> So, disovered this site - https://huggingface.co/
42:19 <EEVBot> [url] Hugging Face – The AI community building the future. | huggingface.co
46:11 <Kuschelpony> https://sigmoid.social/@stablehorde_generator
46:12 <EEVBot> [url] Stable Horde Image Generator (@[email protected]) - Sigmoid Social | sigmoid.social
46:38 <electrohead> !giphy hugging face
46:39 <EEVBot> electrohead: https://media2.giphy.com/media/3ofSBmQjgs0SN3vMf6/giphy.gif?cid=28c3c3c8494670fc42df085ddde0337b535c2f619fed35a4&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
46:54 <electrohead> wtf lol
53:03 <jaymax> "ChatGPT, please explain pornography without using anything porographic"
53:38 <jaymax> Face huggers are very pornograpghic, BTW.
54:17 <jaymax> BTW, you still have that bopping toy video from Reddit?
03:45 <electrohead> Hrmm? Bopping toy video?
03:56 <electrohead> And, I will totally paste that into the prompt, stand by
05:13 <electrohead> "Pornography is a type of media that is intended to sexually arouse or excite its viewers or readers. It often includes explicit depictions of sexual activity and nudity, and is typically created for commercial purposes. The production and consumption of pornography can be a divisive topic, with some people advocating for its freedom of expression while others argue that it can
05:14 <electrohead> have negative social and personal consequences."
09:05 <jaymax> That bopping toy video was the one where a woman recorded a quick moan in the toy aisle for the toy to slap around on the shelf repeating that recording.
12:23 <jaymax> Because it's box flaps were striking something hard.
25:59 <arch> giphy is blocked on my network, due to some list that i enabled on opnsense
26:07 <arch> i wonder why it's blocked...probably some shady tracking going on
29:30 * arch strikes jaymax's box flaps hard
31:11 <electrohead> jaymax: oohhhh, that one
31:13 <electrohead> umm
31:36 * jaymax gets a cloud of dust about him
31:44 <jaymax> Thanks arch !
31:59 <jaymax> Seriously. THANKS.
38:08 <jaymax> Seems like every time I get my box out now, I get dirty. Too many times it got covered in mud. There was even once when a pig shoved her snout in looking for a treat.
42:45 <jaymax> Even today, crows are looking for worms in my dirty box. Absolutely disgusting.
43:33 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/Oo99MpNnjZTELGdD/bulTFEoDRm2x_btiOVNHjg.jpg
52:57 <electrohead> jaymax: I found it! https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oxfeZGcdOzI
52:58 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨DJ Bouncin Beats⁩ | 19s | Channel: ⁨Life Gallery 2.0⁩ | 54,554 views | 2023-01-08 - 17:40:45UTC
56:10 <jaymax> Awesomeo
44:37 <jaymax> T3sl4: what day is it?
44:44 <jaymax> https://files.maxuel.compy.ca:5281/upload/pof0JYcFU1Sn9sj4/CQL_ZjkuTg68NHdbPv97YA.jpg
44:54 <T3sl4> wednesday, my dudes?
44:56 <T3sl4> wait
45:55 <jaymax> https://leekspin.com/ day!
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00:54 <electrohead> arch: how do you like opnsense?
15:11 <arch> very much
15:20 <arch> i set up a wireguard vpn lickety split
15:26 <arch> set up all sorts of filters
15:38 <arch> block the shit out of everything except pirating and hentai
15:52 <electrohead> rofl
15:58 <arch> block all nasty asf trackers from google, apple, etc
16:41 <arch> the only downside is after a year, the fan starts getting loud
16:55 <arch> so you gotta clean it out after a year or so, assuming you are looking at that ThinkCentre tiny build
17:43 <arch> oh, and the best part is, you can easily add an OR-ing diode to the power adapter output from a 12V SLA boost conv output for easy UPS backup
22:22 <electrohead> there you go
22:28 <electrohead> yeah pfsense stil treats me nice
22:41 <electrohead> *eventually* I want to switch to opnsense
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04:02 <MrMobodies> Hello
04:08 <MrMobodies> anyone from England?
04:14 <steve30> yup
04:24 <MrMobodies> I am bit worried about "smart" water meters
04:32 <MrMobodies> it's not what they are called
04:48 <MrMobodies> it is the fact that they send 2 reading an hour
04:55 <rust8> why would you not be worried about those
05:01 <MrMobodies> like what Octopus tried on my and I said NO!
05:29 <MrMobodies> spied on everything I want to preserve what little I have left
05:54 <MrMobodies> if an area is seriously water stressed (which is isn't at the moment)
06:03 <rust8> what does a water meter spy on?
06:04 <MrMobodies> has applied for this status
06:23 <MrMobodies> they collect two readings an hour on every individual according to anglia water
07:02 <MrMobodies> I don't mind, a weekly, montly reading but not datalogging me "Dear Anglia water p*ss off and mind your own business"
07:12 <steve30> rust8, your water usage
07:13 <rust8> yes, but about what? having data on when people use water seems like a thing they can use, for something useful.
07:35 <MrMobodies> I don't mind if they fit equipment in house where I am in control
07:46 <MrMobodies> that records graphs on the smallest amount of water
07:55 <rust8> you are, you can just stop using water?
08:05 <MrMobodies> but not over the internet to them and their regulator like ofgem wanted on energy when I said no
08:40 <MrMobodies> apparently under the 1996 legistration I thought they only allowed to force it for water stresse status
09:41 <jaymax> > rust8, your water usage
09:41 <jaymax> As does the guy who walks around the neighborhood several times a year, reading numbers.
10:08 <rust8> over here, we do not use water meters at all, but if they have a meter, I do not see the issue about having readings at several times, or just now and then
11:03 <MrMobodies> 2020 SEPTEMBER:
11:04 <MrMobodies> https://web.archive.org/web/20200930022409/https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/services/water-meters/upgraded-meters/
11:05 <EEVBot> [url] Upgraded water meters | Anglian Water Services | web.archive.org
11:21 <MrMobodies> now https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/services/water-meters/upgraded-meters/
11:21 <EEVBot> [url] Upgraded water meters | www.anglianwater.co.uk
11:30 <MrMobodies> "Can I choose not to have my meter upgraded to a smart meter?"
11:38 <MrMobodies> "No. We have a legal obligation to manage and protect the water supply in our region. We’re upgrading meters to smart meters to help support our public interest obligations set out by our regulator which include finding leaks and helping our customers save water."
11:44 <MrMobodies> I will find out more if that is legal or not
11:46 <jaymax> Its something like a BLE signal to a receiver a few power poles away.
12:03 <MrMobodies> if it is not I could have them charged with trespassing
12:25 <MrMobodies> One reading every week or month
12:29 <MrMobodies> not twice an hour
12:38 <MrMobodies> or they should give people a choice
12:41 <rust8> ok, but why is that an issue?
12:49 <jaymax> It does not even add features. They claimed that it can detect leaks, but that is still vaporware here 4 years later.
13:00 <MrMobodies> when it comes to leaks that's different but I think I want my privacy whatever is left
13:14 <MrMobodies> what i was told by an engineer who worked
13:18 <MrMobodies> in one of these plants
13:25 <MrMobodies> they do have such meters as back in 2010
13:30 <MrMobodies> but they put them in the streets
13:34 <rust8> well, have fun, I am going to bed
13:36 <MrMobodies> when they were running plastic water pipes
13:40 <MrMobodies> to monitor leaks
14:08 <MrMobodies> so they'd send out a team of people who'd lift the meters on the streets or knock on the doors
14:22 <MrMobodies> to find out where large amounts of water started to fo to
14:26 <jaymax> MrMobodies: get a pressure tank and have it top up via an electromechanical valve in (random) increments.
14:39 <MrMobodies> We do have one in the loft
14:47 <MrMobodies> but got to convert it to drinking standards
14:54 <MrMobodies> thanks Jaymax that's an idea
15:03 <MrMobodies> maybe make a float in there
15:15 <MrMobodies> so there is a low threshold before it starts filling up again
15:38 <rust8> or, if your issue is just that you do not want them to have a proper reading, just leave a tap running
15:48 <jaymax> Lol
15:54 <MrMobodies> I like the joke
16:07 <MrMobodies> Apparently we do have a meter when we moved in it was there
16:12 <MrMobodies> but no read or used
16:12 <rust8> well, it is not really a joke. I just do not see what your problem with it is
16:25 <MrMobodies> we are on this familty flat rate plan that th previous occupants had
16:32 <electrohead> MrMobodies: you're still going off about the smart meters?
16:51 <MrMobodies> I don't want to be datalogged twice an hour on my energy and water from the government
16:53 <jaymax> I'd like to set up a cistern, but I lack......things.
17:03 <MrMobodies> Ofgem wants to see 2 readings an hour
17:21 <MrMobodies> I thought it was with my provider but apparently Ofgem has access to it
17:36 <MrMobodies> and it goes through Capita
17:38 <rust8> yep, good night
17:47 <MrMobodies> and many complaints of customers being overcharged/overmeasuring an so on
18:09 <MrMobodies> my councillor had a smart energy meter installed 3 months ago
18:19 <rust8> they still would be, even if they did one reading each year
18:20 <MrMobodies> his bill with no change increased to 1/3
18:37 <MrMobodies> I said you should have got a clamp meter/datalogger before to track the changes
18:43 <MrMobodies> if that was the case
19:32 <MrMobodies> again no manufacturer or model not even in the news articles, not even Octopus energy can tell me, (apparently handles by installers contracted through Capita what I was told)
19:49 <MrMobodies> was that's I don't trust this current government
19:54 <MrMobodies> at the moment
20:56 <MrMobodies> I remembered the first "smart meter" things 10 years ago were done in some places with clamp meters and GSM module over existing meters
21:17 <MrMobodies> so at least customers can contest if the readings are different
21:42 <MrMobodies> higer or lower(so they don't get penalised later)
22:12 <MrMobodies> sorry if I am paranoid
22:16 <jaymax> What if the old meter got out of calibration?
22:40 <MrMobodies> apparently they have teams to calliberate them
22:48 <MrMobodies> but I guess I will be told a whole load of bullshit
23:00 <MrMobodies> mine expires in 2036
23:04 <MrMobodies> installed in 2016
23:08 <MrMobodies> for 20 years
23:22 <MrMobodies> Landis and Gyr E110 according to datasheet
24:02 <MrMobodies> I was told that they could installed a meter and put in dumb mode Octopus on a flat rate but they have get permission last year
24:05 <jaymax> But there would legitimately no new meter that could compare to an existing (faulty) one.
24:22 <MrMobodies> I could apparently pick old stocks one up
24:27 <MrMobodies> and register them
24:39 <MrMobodies> I was told there was a way of doing it
24:46 <MrMobodies> as long as it is exactly the same model
24:53 <MrMobodies> and was in date
25:02 <jaymax> There's always a bad batch.
25:09 <MrMobodies> I hope mine don't break
25:19 <MrMobodies> I said to Octopus
25:29 <MrMobodies> I found a Landis and ry E430
25:41 <MrMobodies> looks similar this old one with a la rge display
25:48 <MrMobodies> AND has a removable COMMS module
25:53 <MrMobodies> so I can I just pull it out
26:02 <MrMobodies> can you install one of those
26:15 <MrMobodies> there is an issue with the Tesla Powerwall with those apparently
26:35 <MrMobodies> it would measure the power going out to the grid as if it were coming in
26:51 <MrMobodies> other than that
27:31 <MrMobodies> I asked could they fit one from a reputable manufacturer liek the E430 "Sorry we don't control that, the DCC company contracts a contractor to do it"
27:49 <MrMobodies> I went to a friends house, they had this smart meter, I can't remember make, I did write it down
27:54 <MrMobodies> the display on it isn't working
28:00 <MrMobodies> for the energy
28:02 <MrMobodies> on the meter
28:10 <MrMobodies> it's on and has a light
28:16 <MrMobodies> installed last year
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28:24 <MrMobodies> the monitor, shows it is connected
28:26 <MrMobodies> but no reading
28:33 <MrMobodies> they are with OVO energy
28:50 <MrMobodies> and they had been trying contact them for a year
28:56 <MrMobodies> they are worried about their bills
29:14 <MrMobodies> before they had meter readers come round
29:30 <MrMobodies> and they were sent letters
29:51 <MrMobodies> oh they might be getting but I wonder which one will it be
30:20 <MrMobodies> lots of complaints I coming across about those
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35:03 <MrMobodies> I am going to phone up to get some advice on what rights they have
35:19 <MrMobodies> there is some Citizens Advice
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35:47 <MrMobodies> because if they come on this property I could order them away if they don't have the righs to do it
36:06 <MrMobodies> I am sure they could do it across the road if they find a pipe that comes from my house
36:33 <MrMobodies> the good thing about that is
36:45 <MrMobodies> if I am forced on metered supply
37:01 <MrMobodies> and there "smart meter" is overmeasuring whether it is intentional or not
37:12 <MrMobodies> then I have the exiting meter they put in somewhere to compare it against
37:23 <MrMobodies> now that is a good benefit
37:39 <MrMobodies> for any potential billing errors in double checking
38:11 <MrMobodies> I do expect them to be out a bit but not significantly
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49:47 * electrohead films
49:59 <electrohead> Lol, yo Halcyon
02:42 <steve30> hi Halcyon
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09:29 <jaymax> NATO is Finnished. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-approves-finlands-nato-membership-while-sweden-sidelined
09:29 <EEVBot> [url] Hungary Approves Finland's NATO Membership, While Sweden Sidelined | ZeroHedge | www.zerohedge.com
24:13 <Ampera> idk, I don't think sweden has much to worry about
24:28 <Ampera> if finland gets in, then that means even moreso, that russia has to trample NATO to really get to them
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26:47 <Nothing\> set up new shelving in my room. =D
26:56 <Nothing\> can never have enough storage space
26:59 <MrMobodies> what kind of wood did you use?
27:00 <Ampera> I need to do that
27:08 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, plastic lol
27:10 <Ampera> I have too much shit on the floor
27:17 <Nothing\> they were just bought from a hardware store
27:57 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's precisely why i bought them. All of my notebooks and textbooks and other important/semi-important things are on my floor.
28:30 <Nothing\> there's just no ruum alllllllll
28:42 * Nothing\ scratches his head
28:59 <Nothing\> i nodded off while typing that and couldn't tell you what it was supposed to mean
29:49 <Nothing\> hey Ampera lemme ask you something
29:54 <Nothing\> actually, sort of a two part question
29:59 <Ampera> I am scared
31:13 <Nothing\> first off, what was your motivation for learning russian, at least as much of it as you have, which seems to be more than an average person
31:57 <MrMobodies> I like pine wood
32:05 <MrMobodies> when it gets old it goes honey brown
32:15 <Nothing\> i like wine pood
32:18 <Nothing\> ffs
32:18 <Ampera> it's an interesting language
32:28 <Nothing\> keep smashinrg my elbow on the table next to me
32:36 <Ampera> Has a different alphabet, while not being too far departed from what I already know
32:38 <Nothing\> i've yet to hit my funny bone but it's just a matter of time
33:00 <Nothing\> Ampera, agreed
33:55 <Nothing\> it really is interesing
34:58 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHoL77QDkg&ab_channel=TechIngredients
34:58 <EEVBot> [YouTube] ⁨Making Graphene could KILL you... but we did it anyway?!⁩ | 55m 53s | Channel: ⁨Tech Ingredients⁩ | 178,532 views | 2023-03-25 - 14:00:01UTC
35:55 <Nothing\> Ampera, did i show you what i got my mum for xmas?
36:02 <Ampera> no
36:06 <Nothing\> i dare say it's my best gift ever
36:14 <Ampera> I'm scared again
36:48 <MrMobodies> anyone did any varnishing before?
37:05 <Ampera> yes, I hated it, and then switched to nginx
37:17 <MrMobodies> I like that the joke
37:19 <Nothing\> lol not the pic i was looking for but still a cute one: https://ibb.co/vx5p95f
37:19 <EEVBot> [url] 20210223-034147 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB | ibb.co
37:20 <MrMobodies> I mean for wood
37:21 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/msNY1rI.jpg
37:39 <MrMobodies> I went out brought some Ronseal waterproof varnish and some brushes
37:46 <MrMobodies> I testing it first
37:55 <MrMobodies> and if I like it I will apply it to my rack
38:19 <MrMobodies> this thing
38:19 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/UvmMwwE
38:20 <EEVBot> [url] Imgur: The magic of the Internet | imgur.com
38:30 <MrMobodies> I built an addon on the top that can come off
38:41 <MrMobodies> which stands on fence brackets
39:45 <Nothing\> ah here it is Ampera
39:47 <Nothing\> https://i.ibb.co/z8Nf0B7/Crystal-Display-1.jpg
40:02 <Nothing\> all in all it cost less than $50, crystals included
40:58 <MrMobodies> you collect rocks?
41:19 <MrMobodies> they look really nice
42:24 <MrMobodies> the reason I want to varnish that thing because the landlady at the pub complained that it didn't match the furniture
42:37 <MrMobodies> there was a big disco karaoke night on Saturday
42:39 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, my mum and i do, yup
42:49 <Ampera> That's actually quite nice
42:50 <MrMobodies> and it looks like my efforts paid off
42:57 <Nothing\> my mum always liked collecting interesting looking rocks she happened upon so i figured this was a good gift
42:58 <Ampera> I used to have a rock collection like that as a kid, but nothing so pretty.
43:13 <MrMobodies> joke: Nothing, you could go down the AUDIOFOOLERY route and make some money out of it.
43:24 <MrMobodies> pretend there magical crystals in there
43:30 <MrMobodies> and sell them on ebay
44:00 <MrMobodies> like that one who was selling the sata cable and the rockets he put on his hifi unit
44:23 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, lol there's a gem show here locally on april 1st of all days i was thinking i should sell some there
45:00 <MrMobodies> as an experiment, tell them it will improve their audio quality if they put in their amp
45:01 <Nothing\> Ampera, i collected coins
45:05 <MrMobodies> and see who falls for it
45:46 <MrMobodies> on Saturday I brought in the rack for the disco event
46:01 <MrMobodies> the barman said, it is a chore doing discos not fun
46:09 <MrMobodies> otherwise he has to pay others to do it
46:30 <MrMobodies> he dad is the one who is interested but is retired and the equipment there belongs to him
46:49 <MrMobodies> I spent 3 days trying to get the microphones in a certain way
47:15 <MrMobodies> started at 12 experiment playing stuff
47:16 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/6wXDV7L
47:17 <EEVBot> [url] Disco night - Album on Imgur | imgur.com
47:24 <MrMobodies> birthday party starts at 7pm
47:52 <MrMobodies> they make their requests and I play them, then the barman comes out at 9.30pm for that and karaoke
47:55 <Nothing\> jeez, still light out
47:56 <MrMobodies> and for the first time
47:58 <Nothing\> feels like 10pm
47:58 <MrMobodies> he enjoyedit
48:03 <MrMobodies> I did the setup
48:03 <Nothing\> oooh i have coffee
48:08 <Nothing\> :D:D:D:D:D
48:14 <MrMobodies> it finished at 2pm
48:21 <Nothing\> man i made a great discovery
48:29 <MrMobodies> with the micrphone setup through the E-U dock
48:45 <MrMobodies> I could feel their breath on the ground
48:49 <MrMobodies> at the end of the bar
48:52 <MrMobodies> as they were singing
48:57 <MrMobodies> it felt like the ground was movin
49:09 <MrMobodies> and I had my ear things on as they like it too load
49:21 <MrMobodies> I put it in a surround thing instead of mono
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49:46 <MrMobodies> Microphones A B C D; A Left, B Right, C Left, D Right
49:58 <MrMobodies> through the sound retrieval system in the mixer
50:06 <MrMobodies> sounded beautiful
50:28 <MrMobodies> well they complained at first about the appearance the rack
50:38 <MrMobodies> the dad said well it's is his stuff and so on
50:43 <MrMobodies> later on they were buying me drinks
51:10 <MrMobodies> "you are a legend, whatever you did sounds a lot better when we here last Christmas"
51:21 <MrMobodies> "Can hear all the instruments and sound clearer"
51:42 <MrMobodies> I said it made that small tiny pod thing look ridiculous
52:14 <MrMobodies> but in the day it was a low volume as the landlady upstairs as sleeping for the event later
52:25 <MrMobodies> and i made it go through the room without too much bass
52:41 <MrMobodies> so I am pleased they all liked in the end
52:55 <MrMobodies> so that's why I am going to varnish it to match the furniture
53:21 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/9OrwYmd.jpg
53:31 <MrMobodies> fit the Peavey amp really well
54:09 <MrMobodies> labelled it all up
54:12 <MrMobodies> for the barman
54:13 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/lPLTVgn.jpg
54:21 <MrMobodies> also lights up
54:22 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/EcQ7gCb.jpg
55:00 <MrMobodies> and I have seen so happy before
55:02 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/6hB7Rnk.jpg
04:42 <MrMobodies> oops I had to go toilet
04:49 <MrMobodies> I have some cold
04:54 <MrMobodies> I pooped my pants againt
05:08 <MrMobodies> I had clean it out
05:27 <MrMobodies> I never been so happy for 10 years
05:34 <MrMobodies> for that day
05:40 <MrMobodies> it's nice when I have vision
05:47 <MrMobodies> and it all works out
06:26 <MrMobodies> and any after thought like with weight is accounted for when I built it
06:40 <MrMobodies> my dad said the width of the wood was an overkill
07:00 <MrMobodies> but not it takes the weight of that frame and amp ontop
14:29 <Nothing\> cool
15:19 <Nothing\> i've always had trouble swallowing and spasms in my esophagus that lead to painful cramps if i try to swallow while it's happening, especially food or water.
15:45 <Nothing\> but i just found out that taking a good sized puff off my ecig stops the spasms
26:21 <Nothing\> so I tried this design for a CXO and it did nothing, what was my mistake? https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/osc33.gif?fit=282%2C184?fit=282,226
26:49 <Nothing\> though i used 47pf since that was my closest value but i figured it shouldn't matter
30:15 * jaymax makes more popcorn
33:22 * electrohead joins jaymax
33:37 * jaymax films
12:01 * electrohead offers rice, chicken, veggies, and eggs
14:43 <T3sl4> Nothing\: what crystal? what caps? what MCU?
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34:47 * arch gives T3sl4 some crystals
35:14 * T3sl4 smashes them
55:08 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that exact diagram with a 20Mhz crystal and 47pf ceramic caps
55:36 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what they're called specifically but they're the caps that look like little advils lol. At least that's what I thought they were when I was a kid.
55:39 <T3sl4> that narrows it down to only about 10,000 combinations
56:00 <Nothing\> haha yeah, aliexpress isn't terribly specific about passive components
56:26 <Nothing\> i think it's just something i'm doing wrong
56:43 <Nothing\> for one, i have no clue what the importance of the caps or their values is
57:21 <Nothing\> if i had to make a vague guess i'd say to balance out some excessive inductance or something but i have absolutely no clue
57:22 <T3sl4> the crystal has three important parameters: Fo, Co and ESR
57:31 <Nothing\> so clearly i have some reading to do ;)
57:51 <T3sl4> the caps could be weird types, who knows. even small values could be Y5P, but are more likely C0G (is there a black dot on top?)
57:58 <Nothing\> never heard of the first two. I'd only ever seen it modeled as an RLC circuit
58:13 <T3sl4> funny, an RLC circuit has three parameters ;)
58:16 <Nothing\> no there is no black dot
58:22 <Nothing\> T3sl4, touche hehe
58:32 * electrohead induces T3sl4 with winky faces
59:02 * T3sl4 tugs on electrohead's winky
59:19 <Nothing\> so Fo and Co I'm guessing are some sort of inductive and capacitive elements, I assume?
59:30 <Nothing\> and ESR is obviously the resistive
59:47 <T3sl4> F goes as 1/sqrt(L*C), Zo goes as sqrt(L/C)
59:58 <T3sl4> Q is Zo/ESR or ESR/Zo depending on arrangement
00:01 <Nothing\> that sounds very familiar
00:26 <electrohead> Nothing\: what exactly are you doing/making?
00:27 <T3sl4> hence why the motional elements are such absurd values i.e. a couple fF and 100s mH
00:53 <Nothing\> i swear i have that written on my whiteboard somewhere, 1/sqrt(l*c) or 1/sqrt(l^2+c^2)
01:01 <Nothing\> i think the latter is impedance isn't it?
01:05 <Nothing\> the real component
01:21 <Nothing\> or close to it
01:33 <T3sl4> L^2 and C^2 have incommensurate units and cannot be added together
02:04 <Nothing\> electrohead, oh nothing in particular, just exploring/discussing the science of CXEs and crystals in general.
02:28 <Nothing\> specifically i was just trying to make a working CXO but having some difficulty
03:09 <electrohead> ahh ok
03:37 <T3sl4> so anyway, xtal has 3 important paramters, and a bunch of less important characteristics that aren't usually documented. caps have at least C and Q or ESR, but ESL, tempco, nonlinearity etc may be relevant too
04:10 <T3sl4> the effect of the caps flanking the crystal is to invert the series resonant circuit to a parallel resonant filter, so that only Fo is passed from XTAL1 to XTAL2
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05:06 <Nothing\> T3sl4, damn i wish there was a list of these parameters in some sort of reference material. That would be so useful
05:11 <Nothing\> and their definitions
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05:34 <Nothing\> i've always wanted a sort of cheat sheet for EE formulas and principles
06:12 <T3sl4> as for the CPU, there are two main ways that works: one is a single stage CMOS or TTL inverter, which acts as an amplifier. there may need to be an external large resistor (1M?) between pins, to bias the input, else it may be internal. the output is high level (VDD/0) so needs a series resistor (1-2k usually) to the crystal to limit drive power
06:23 <Nothing\> T3sl4, so officially what are Fo and Co called?
06:48 <T3sl4> resonant frequency and holder/stray capacitance
07:09 <T3sl4> the other is a transconductance amp where the output is current limited (or effectively has the resistor internal) and you'll see a sine wave on each pin of the crystal
07:43 <Nothing\> ah resonant frequency's easy enough, but I've never heard of stray capacitance. I'll have to read up on that one some more.
07:46 <T3sl4> different CPUs/MCUs have different levels of gain or power to these circuits, in particular ST is notorious for weak oscillators therefore needing smaller loading caps and crystals with higher ESR
08:04 <Nothing\> I love anything to do with waves though
08:25 <T3sl4> in short, read up on appnotes using xtals, xtal oscillators etc
08:57 <T3sl4> there's an ok one by ST, there's probably a dozen from various sources or in books that might show up from time to time,,,or not because the internet is a terrible store of information, but..
09:46 <Nothing\> good idea, didn't think of app notes.
10:51 <Nothing\> i have a ton of them as it is but i guess it slipped my mind in this case
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12:57 <Nothing\> mmm marshmallow salad
13:10 <Nothing\> or ambrosia as i've heard it called sometimes
14:32 <Nothing\> little marshmallows, sour cream, diced pineapples, cherries, shredded coconut and mandarins
14:59 <T3sl4> :)
20:37 * arch flings poo emojis at people
22:15 <jaymax> “Sometimes the best way to protect yourself from getting molested as a kid is just to not remember it.” - Henry ‘2Real’ Zebrowski
27:31 <Nothing\> or twist and pull
27:54 * Nothing\ sighs
03:01 <MrMobodies> Joke: Rust, you awake? I want a "Rustic" ham sandwich with a bit of that green cheesy stuff with the sour taste, some salad and tomatoes in brown seeded bread but no rust in there please.
04:02 <MrMobodies> they sell them down my local shop, one of te least crap in there and it seems quite nice
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22:30 <K> hello heatshrinks
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13:55 <watcher> Hello
22:19 <K> r u a towel?
28:00 <watcher> no
38:35 <K> oh.
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01:51 <K> WHAAT TIMEEE IS IITTT?!?!11
02:06 <K> a time to eat a banan, ofc.
08:53 <Ampera> it's time to get mad at microsoft software
09:08 <Ampera> just about an hour into the day and teams is already glitching the fuck out
10:42 <K> you must've offended them somehow
15:40 <Ampera> my employer already forks over thousands to them just for me :P
25:58 <DHess_US> https://old.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/zyy7kg/a_passing_woman_jumps_in_to_help_a_man_whose/
26:00 <EEVBot> [reddit] A passing woman jumps in to help a man whose runaway car was stuck in reverse (':Misc: 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​' flair) (https://v.redd.it/os9zgrw3s09a1) to r/facepalm | 7303 points (99.0%) | 329 comments | Posted by purple-circle | Created at 2022-12-30 - 11:22:11UTC
38:57 <Ampera> I can get in a panic not hitting the brake or thinking to just turn off the car
39:07 <Ampera> but continuing to have your foot on the gas, seriously
39:22 <Ampera> like, there's a million ways to solve that situation, but you have to pick the wrong one
39:23 <Ampera> lol
39:39 <Ampera> I guess those are the same people who full send into gas stations and diners
42:00 <K> i know nothing bout cars, but do not all have the hand brake somewhere in the middle?
42:10 <K> well, maybe evs dont
42:24 <Ampera> A good number of people in the US don't know what the handbrake is or does.
42:33 <Ampera> Most people I know call it the e-brake or emergency brake
43:13 <Ampera> Most people drive automatics that have a park position on the transmission, so they just don't end up using it for parking.
44:01 <Ampera> A bunch of them also don't have real handbrakes, especially new ones. They have a tiny little switch you click to enable an electric parking brake
44:15 <K> but that be silly
44:50 <K> otoh it is pain to add mechanical fallback if everything is fly-by-wire
45:27 <Ampera> that's why you buy budget cars that, these days, have all the features you want, and none of the electric crap you don't
45:58 <Ampera> my car is great for that. Power everything, but you can still stomp on the brakes if they fail, you have a real handbrake, and the steering can still crank over if that fails
46:10 <Ampera> only thing that's fake is the accelerator
48:16 <K> well there is no reason why you couldnt have mechnical stuff for electrics
48:40 <K> for smaller cars, if such ever arrive
48:59 <Ampera> Have you heard of Lexus working on an EV with a simulated MT?
49:03 <K> hand turning 2t tesla would not be fun
49:07 <Ampera> basically a normal EV, but it simulates a manual
49:28 <K> eh, i do not follow car stuff at al
49:29 <Ampera> so you can "stall" it (and then presumably turn it off when you're in heavy traffic and get sick of fucking with the clutch)
49:39 <Ampera> If EVs take over the world, I'd definitely buy it
50:46 <K> but prolly some curve could be applied to lessen the shock of full torque on wheels and whatnot
51:28 <Ampera> Well it doesn't have a real clutch, obviously. It just simulates how having one would feel.
53:35 <K> right in the feels, man
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27:57 <jaymax> For Crown Vics (and old dodge vans), the eBrake was the left-most pedal.
28:26 <K> y u speak chinese?!?!?111
29:23 <jaymax> Hmm, so I guess those vans had four pedals on the floor cos I don't think they were automatic. They were garbage, but probably not automatic.
29:41 <jaymax> Chinee? Where?
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